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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome in Day two Cake Show Edition, Bumper
to Bumper guardsy in for Dan today. Dan, We'll be
back tomorrow. A bunch of guests today, just like yesterday.
Brett Blake Moore is here as well. It's Wednesday, so
Pat Kessler will be rolling in right around five o'clock.
We also have my buddy Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated
dot Com coming a little bit later about three forty five,
and Jace Frederick from the Pioneer Press will join to talk.

(00:21):
What else Brett blakemore Minnesota Timberwolves basketball. Course, they're back
in action tonight against the Memphis Grizzlies. But we are
obligated to start with the Minnesota Wild. We are obligated
to start with hockey. I'm gonna ask you this question.
It's the Central Division, right, and then is this the
Pacific Division?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, the one out west.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Who's the best team in the Pacific Division or who
would you anticipate? You don't have to google it. I'm
gonna tell you who it's gonna be. It's gonna be Vegas. Okay,
we're gonna go in reaction. Let's just start with Vegas.
So I was at the Wild game last night. Oh,
good for me. Wow, And I got tickets before we
became Quinnesota. This has been on the calendar for a while,
so good luck for myself, good luck for gray Man,

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my nine year old, my mite who I took yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Here's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
After the game last night, it's the Wild and Golden
Knights in the Western Conference Finals, and you are on
your own after that.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I was telling Tenna in the transition of power, I'm
not sure the skate Treots are a good enough name.
We might think of something better than the Skate Trees.
I know it's that good. It's disgusting how good it is. Yes,
it's sick, how good it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And I'm I texted Abbot at seven thirty this morning
and I said, who's with me today? Because, as you know,
especially this time of year, we have no idea who's
working with.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Us at any given point.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
When you turn on the fan in December, especially mid
to late December, it's a crapshoot. Wait till next week, right,
we have no until tomorrow, and we have no idea
who's going to be on.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
At any given point.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And he said Brett, And I said perfect, because we
need to talk Wild, and you were very like you
were having a tough time processing everything on Saturday and
Saturday it seemed like, so, I'm glad you're here because
we are going to intermittently talk Wild.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
But yeah, we can call them the skate Triots.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
We can say it's the Golden Knights and Wild in
the Western Conference Finals. You're on your own after that.
They're a wagon. They're a wagon. That's all I can say.
And what do you want? Do you want the numbers
to prove the point? We can give you the numbers.
Great homestand four and oh nineteen goals four six against
another shutout last night. No one's even talking about Gus Bus,
who was brilliant in the first period when Washington was

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having their way a little bit early.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I think early shots were eleven to five.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Wild might have been up one zero, even though because
Tara Sinkle, all of a sudden, is twenty five years old.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Again out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Quinnesota effect, the home points streak thirteen games, ties
of franchise record, the record eleven oh and two. How
about their last twenty two go back to the first
of November seventeen three and two.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
If you're a numbers person.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Every number right now feels good, every analytic looks good.
You can make a case about for about five players,
and they only have about five players right now that
are playing.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I couldn't name half the guys on the ice. Last night.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
My son's asking me who they are. I said, I
don't know. Just watch forty three, Watch forty three, watch
ninety seven. Oh, by the way, Ovechkin's over there. He
did not believe me that Alex Ovechkin has scored more
goals in the National Hockey League than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Midway through the second period, he said, are you sure
this is the guy?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
And I said, I know, I'm not a hockey guy,
but I'm pretty sure there's like two thousand ov jerseys
in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I watched Wayne Gretzky follow him around last year for
two months as he was stalking that record. But son,
he's fifty years old and time stops for no one.
Father time is undefeated. But it's not even about the numbers.
The numbers, as I mentioned, arek exquisite. It's the feel
of it. It's the feel of it. And if you

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were there Sunday against Ottawa. If you were there last night,
you know exactly what I'm talking about. The first it
reminded me of the first few games of two twenty
twelve when Perizi and Suitor got here, especially Perize, because
I remember just watching him and just saying, this feels different.

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The while that appears has a top line. Now they
have a line that other teams have to worry about
that might strike fear. And again we know we don't
need to litigate it. It didn't end up like we
all thought it would back in twenty twelve. We all
understand that. But I would just watch him because there
was a different vibe and energy when he was on
the ice that we didn't have before. Queen Hughes is

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that and maybe more. I mean, he's pure electricity. I'll
be honest. I was not watching the all twelve of
Vancouver Canucks hockey when I'm playing, you know, the NHL
two K. I'm not Vancouver, So I was like everybody
else when this deal happened on Friday night. I know
the name, I know he's good, but I'm looking for
the NFL or basketball comp to speak, speak my language,

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translate this to me.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Everybody's excited. Why the crowd.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Is waiting and watching on his every move, every move,
They're watching this guy, and as I'm watching him. And
that's what was funny to me, is I used to
just watch Caprisos the whole time because I just love
watching him do everything right, because he's always a step
away from doing something that's going to electrify the crowd.
And no surprise, he scored last night. He's now tied

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with Perezi for power play goals. He's second all time
and scoring, which is pretty funny that Miko Koivu is
our third guy all time.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Idiot. I mean that tells you.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean there's a reason why we're running out of
guys to honor in our twenty fifth anniversary season or
thirty fifth whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Twenty fifth. Well, if you look at the games played too,
like I did, maybe a fifth of the games, yeah, yeah,
koiv played over a thousand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
And the bit on Koivu was he never shot and
he never scored. And that's why you shouldn't have the
c if you want to talk about relitigating things from
over there. I didn't ever say it, but that was
the hockey community. But it's like with Hughesy. It's like
having to speak my language an electric penetrating point guard.
Where he gets the ball, he brings it up, he
makes a couple of moves. His passes are perfect, They're beautiful.

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Everything is quick, everything is on target. Everything moves fluidly.
I almost had to like hold the armrest to watch
our power play last night, the first power play they had.
I don't know if they scored on this one. They
had it for ninety seconds. It was ninety power players
are still two minutes, right they are? They had it
for ninety seconds, just running around, spinning around. I was

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texting with somebody last night. It's like the Russians in
the eighties. It's like the team of the Miracle on
ice team that lost. It's unbelievable. Who is the fifth guy.
It's hughes Capri soft Boldy, Eric Sinek and there was
somebody else on the top power play.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't know, but just look at that leak. Was
Tarasenko on it.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, it's unbelievable and I will not be slowing down
this hype train, like having been in the building last
night and it wasn't. I can't go as far as
to say it felt like a playoff game atmosphere, but
it was pretty damn close. And for a Tuesday night
in December with everything going on, that's pretty cool. And
it's the Parisian Suitor thing. That was a franchise changing moment.

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It changed the entire energy, and it obviously has to
continue to go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
But this is another one of those moments.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
And I know I'm probably late to the party and
hockey fans are going, Okay, well, yeah, we're happy for you,
thanks for noticing Hughes is a good player. But I'm
telling you, just the energy in there last night. The
state of hockey's completely bought in, and there's nothing nothing
like hope. Hope is like a drug in sports. When
you have hope, it's like a high that you can't get.
And you're just thinking about where this could potentially go

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and how they're playing. And again, they've got like fifty
guys out right. Felino came back. Last night, they lose
Hunt and now I'm gonna have to make sure I
know all these guys' names.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
They but they I'm struggling to keep up with all
the people coming up and down any of them.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, it was and you can tell that there's clearly
a level drop off when you know when they're kind
of trading guys out. But it was electrifying last night.
And the funniest part is, you know Hugh's he's doing
the whole thing. Well, yeah, I just got here.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Ten minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Wait till we played for six weeks, Wait till I
actually know what the hell's going on. Yeah, we're about
to hit a two week road trip. I'm gonna get
to have some dinners with these guys and actually understand
how they want to play. We're just we're just noon
to three right now. We're just winging it, and this
is what's happening. So I will not be There will
be no pumping of the brakes as long as this
whole thing goes, because I couldn't have been more impressed

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by just how the entire operation ran last night. And
he's one, He's him, He's one of those dudes. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I will speak for the state of hockey where there
is no bitterness for me, because if the Wild get
coverage on the Cake Show edition of Bumper to Bumper,
I say, we're happy and let's just take it.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
So I think good on you for that. I think
it's twofold.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
The energy comes from a he's a superstar, and when
a superstar comes to town, that's buzz.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
But then I think it's also double that Bill Garren
took a shot. Oh bit damn. Yeah. So now we're
going for it.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
We're we think this team is good enough, and you know,
the talk is that they want to add one more.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Who will that be or will that happen?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
We don't know, but the fact that we're in big
game hunting mode and brought in a legit superstar. How
many teams in the league there's two other ones that
happened to be in the Central Division. Yeah, that can
just throw down a royal flush of a power play
as there is no stopping this because we are so good,
we have so much skill, and we have that here.
For years growing up, it was who are wild play tonight?

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I want to see someone exciting. Is Crosby in town?
You know, is McDavid intown? And we have that team
where we are. We don't care who we're playing because
we are the exciting thing.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
So many power plays over the years where I've watched
them struggle to just get it into the zone.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, they bring it up, it gets chipped away. At
the blue line.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
They were doing the bit where you know, they all
skate up and then they fire it back to one
guy and then he runs.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
In and skates in his fast he can. Last night,
Hughes just took it and brought it in. It's like
that was having this year. Oh yeah, I know. It
knocked over absolutely, that was easy.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
And if you watch I didn't get to watch the
full highlight because I wasn't TVR in the game. That's
going to change because on the Kapriso power play goal,
they don't show the whole sequence where that was all Hughes,
all of it, all of it was him. Him at
the blue line, how he kept the puck in. I
think first of all, skated around a little bit and
then fired it. You know, he almost you know, broke

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Eric's n X rib, which that would have been an
l but Caprisot's just there and he fires it in.
It's a goal and it's just no big deal. He
also had a play where, and this is how obsessed
I am with it right now, a play where he's
just on just breaking it out of the wild zone.
He's just skating and just puts the brakes on, just
stops quick. Guy goes flying by ankles and he just
makes a nice little hit ahead pass and the Wild

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are off and running. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, and I
can't get enough of it.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I can't wait for tomorrow night against Columbus and then
they've got Edmonton this weekend.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
How good is it? We're going to be doing schedule checks.
This is unbelievable. This is special times. This is the
time we've been praying for for the while.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
And that twelve minutes is done.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
We will talk basketball with jas Frederick when we come back.
We'll see if he has Quinn Hughes fever. I'm sure
he does. And what's the Wolves response to Bill Garren's
big move? Will Tim Conley make a big move? We'll
talk about all of that.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Burns.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
He's going to join about thirty minutes from now, and
then Pat Kessler will join. What do you need in here?
You're looking around you? You're making me nervous. What's going on?
I'm just gonna hit the break?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Okay? I was wondering if you were going to hit
it her? Well? I mean, I could do two things
I was here yesterday. Oh that's true. No thanks.

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Speaker 1 (11:53):
Ann, Bradshaw and Bryant. Text line is six four six
eight six. Questions for our next guest, Jays Frederick, you
can hit them there. You can also tweet me at Guardsy.
He's on the Kinetical Water Systems hotline. Been a minute
since I've talked to him. Jase, thank you as always
for joining. My first question this isn't from the text line.
What is Tim Conley's move to combat and contradict the

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move that the Minnesota Wild have made to capture the
hearts and minds of all Minnesota sports fans.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
I don't know, because we're the Wild responding to what
Tim has done last few years. Like, is it now
his move or how do you feel about it?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I say it's it's yeah. The ball is back in
his court. He took the first shot, he served first.
He brought in Rudy, he brought in Randall. He's taken
the first big swings, the Wild have now finally responded,
and now I think the I think it's back in
there in their court.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
What do you think I think?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
If I'm tim, I'm saying, well, let's see if they
actually go to like a West Finals, and if not,
then I think the ball is still in their court.
That's what I would think.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Is this Jase Frederick or Johnny Athletic? It sounds a
lot like Johnny does trash and Matt boulding House. Yeah,
how do you feel about Matt Boulder because that has
not aged well for Johnny even though at the time
he was one hundred percent right and it's still one
of my favorite lines.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
All right.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
In all seriousness, we haven't talked in a while. We
haven't talked all season, as a matter of fact, and
I'm curious. There seems to be everybody's kind of down
on the squad. They're kind of down on the Wolves,
you know. Me, I'm always a little bit more positive.
I look at the fact, you know they're seventeen and nine.
I think they're seven and one since Thanksgiving, and I
know that their schedule hasn't been great, But I also

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know Ant hasn't played a little bit. I guess your
state of the state right now generally with how the
season has gone before we dive into more specifics.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, I mean, I think the seventeen and nine and
ant hasn't played some I think they're five and two
in those games, So like, do you want to go
away from that? You done like twelve and seven or something.
And I understand the frustration in that, Hey, it's been
as off schedule and my calenter that would be okay.
The complaint about this team in previous years is that
they would lose a lot of games the teams they
shouldn't and how they don't. The consternation comes from I

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think that people wanted this team to take another leap
from a year ago. And hey, when you go to
two straight West Finals, I get it, like you're just viewing,
you know, how do you contend for an NBA title
at that point? And two and eight against teams with
you know, winning records this year is not that at
the moment. So I understand the consternation. I think that
there is a reality with this team. Even if you say, like, hey,

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every year ninety percent of guys are coming back or whatever,
it's probably like the very best version of their roster.
The most talented version was two years ago. And it
is kind of like with the cap situation, you're gonna
lose like oh guy each year, and the guys who
are filling in don't appear to be as good as
like that guy, n Kail Alexander Walker, So there's gonna

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be kind of figuring out, how do you play without
this guy? These other guys who step up, how do
they elevate their game? Maybe how did the best players
have to elevate everybody they even stay at the level
you were at before when you lose somebody who was
important to you. I think they're still kind of in
the process of figuring a lot of those things out
and maybe figuring out their best brand of basketball and
how they get the best ot everybody in it. But

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in just in general, I think it's like they're in
a fine spot. Yeah, And I do think that maybe
in December is too early to sound in any alarms
because there's a lot of different ways the season can
go from here. But I understand that people who think
I don't think this looks like a championship team, That's
what I wanted. I can understand where they're coming from
as well, because it doesn't look like that right now,
and they will have to change, if not the roster,

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maybe just like more consistent brand of basketball that that
maximizes everybody. And I don't know if they necessarily found
that yet either, So a couple of different paths they
can go to get to where they want to. But
I understand that this isn't this isn't maybe what people
wanted for at the jump of the season.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I also look at it, though, Jason.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
They're two and a half games back of the Nuggets
in for the two seed, you know, like that, and
the Nuggets have been retooled and they're and they they
started hot. The same with the Lakers. San Antonio is
probably the surprise team, and we all knew Houston was
going to be good. It's but the consistency. I do
agree with you because I said the same thing. I go, well,
of the you know, twelve games they've had against bad

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teams whatever it is, I can't think of like a
half dozen at least over the last two years that
they've lost for no reason. Now, they did try their
damnest in New Orleans, and I think that's when you
and I were texting where the players were having the
time of their lives in the fourth quarter when they
finally decided to play, and Chris Finch looked like he
wanted to get on one of those boats that they
have done there and just sail off into the Gulf
of Mexico from the Mississippi River.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
So I guess is this a group that.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Because I think we've said we've had the same group
now for a while, and I don't think they're ever
going to be the Oklahoma City model of consistency, Like,
I just don't think this group has it in them.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
What do you think, Well, that's what's interesting, and that's
where I think you look at the roster of Yes,
I know they only won fifty six that year, but
two years ago, I think they're pretty close to that.
I know they were down to some teams that man,
they brought that defensive effort at least ninety percent of
the time, I mean it, and it was pretty incredible
to watch. And I think that was maybe the most
fun people have ever had watching this team. But since then,

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you've just lost some guys who maybe contributed to that consistency,
even in smaller roles. You know, you're Kyle Anderson and
Nikhil Alexander Walker. Even Kat was like a pretty consistent
effort guy, even if he didn't like some of maybe
the emotional plays and whatnot. But like just like trying
to bring it on a night's night basis and playing
is hardest. That was there too, So it's trying to
recapture that. I think you look at it and go, well,
why can't you recapture that with anybody? But it's just

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I don't know if it's professionalism. I don't know if
it's just general approach. And then even like, hey, Mike
Colley's older from that, so you not have the same
version of Mike Colley, which is a really important piece
of that. Ridger is a little bit older. He's not
the defensive player of the year that he was two
years ago. So you feel like the depletion of maybe
the guys who were the most consistent either they're gone
or they're not exactly what they were. So that's what's

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hard to get back to. And then this was like
the opening of the schedule. I hear you on that, Hey,
here's where they are on the standings. Just I think
I wrote it the season's out said, Hey, looking at
their schedule, I think this can be a team that
goes fourteen and three or fifteen and two, and so
they have fallen short of that. Who even of my
own expectation of here's the teams they're playing, here's how
I think they could start, they have just like versus
what I thought, they have underachieved. And you can look
and say, hey, pretty good, and that's true, but that

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still is kind of coming in out of the market
in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
All right, let's talk about the potential moves, because you
alluded to it, I joked about it. But there's obviously
there's a lot of smoke and there's a lot of steam.
They seem to be definitely looking the point guard direction.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Dante's obviously the starter.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Now we know what Conley's role is kind of now
even though he's missed the last few games, going to
miss tonight, I think as well against Memphis, and now
we're in the bones Highland era of Timberwolves basketball. After
twenty four to twenty five games, Finchy makes that move.
So do you think that this is going to be
a deadline thing or do you think if they find
something that they like and are comfortable with there, they

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will shake it up here in the next four to
six weeks.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think some Connelly's never really shown
an apprehension for making a mover, wanting to wait it
out or wanting to see how it looks. I think
they have a pretty good idea of what they have
right now, and so whatever they think is the fix
to that. If the price comes in on somebody who
they think will solve the issues sooner than later than
they would probably pull the trigger on that because you know,
if you think that's going to help you win now,

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then you don't want to wait too long in this
West because if you do wait too long and you
are right, but you waited too long, now you're looking
and maybe like the six of the five and obviously
last year they showed you can still go from that
to the West finals. But usually one or two things
has to go your way. So I definitely think that
it's one of those things where, hey, if they think
a scoring point guard who can space the floor, push

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pace all this stuff and maybe release tension from ants
on the ball, handling front, play making front, if they
think that is the ultimate fix, and they find that
guy who they think can kind of solve those answers.
I don't think they would dis intentionally wait so, but
you know, obviously results between now and whenever that presents
itselfle matter too. If Phone Titland plays great and sets

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in and they're like, oh, I don't know how much
of an improvement Player X would be Overbones, then maybe
that's something that would calluse you to push the pause
button for a bit. But as of right now, I
think if something presented itself can kindly wouldn't hesitate.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Who are the names you're vetting? Because I you know
you're vetting who are the guard names you're paying attention to?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Well, frankly, just from my own perspective, I don't think
there's a lot of fixes. I really don't. I don't
like point guard so much of this as scoring. Like
you know, you talk about like a Kobe White, and
it's like, yeah, you know, the people around like, oh yeah,
Kobe like like a Kobe White. But there are so
many guys like that where I'm like, this team I
think needs to get better defensively, So I don't know
how many fixers are out there. Kobe would make you

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worse defensively he certainly would add some shooting and playmaking,
but also you know, like that ball in my mind
is still aways going to be more so in Ant
hands than anybody else's. So I'm kind of in the
boat of like you think or swim with Ant making
these progressions or not. Ye, so that like, I definitely
think they are going to make pushes on that front,
but there aren't a lot of guys available and everybody

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who is, whether it be is guys who maybe like
a Kobe White who could be on the market now
you know, like you could talk about guys like wa
Mellow Ball where it's like, oh, maybe Charlotte does go
in that direction. Guys even that you could get maybe
a discount. This is what you think you could get
from them in the past. And I think, is that
somebody who's actually going to address the wolf's biggest needs
or are you trying to patch one hole and creating

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another week? And that's just something I think they're going
to have to wrestle with.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
This is Jase Frederick from The Pioneer Press. If you
listen to the Cake Show edition of Bumper to Bumper,
it's a voice very familiar to you. We are talking Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Ryan Burns from golfer Illustrated dot Com about twenty minutes
from now, Pat Kesseler will make his weekly.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Appearance right around five point fifteen. We've talked a lot
about Jaden McDaniels over the years.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Have you seen enough in this stretch to be convinced
that this is the new floor, This is the new
Jaden McDaniels. And I'm talking about the offense where I
never think he's missing now when he takes a shot.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, I think so. I think especially if they can
play the way that is most conducive to his success.
And I think that is when you're pushing out in transition,
when you're getting good ball movement, when James confident that
the ball is going to see his hands and he's
going to touch it more frequently. I think he played
some really good basketball. It's when it never gets to
him and now of a sudden, that one shot doesn't
go and you can see his head hanging was like
it might be the last, and I touch up for

(22:00):
the next two minutes. That's when I think you see
Jaden maybe get more frustrated or in his head more.
Because even himself, teammates, especially have said, like it's a
confidence thing for Jayden, and I think when the ball
is frequently getting to him, very confident in what he
can do in his abilities. And the thing I like
about Jaden is like, yes he's scoring a lot, Yes
he's getting into a spot, he's capitalizing, But when I
watch the games or when I watch back to the games,

(22:21):
it's like Jadan's the best cutter, Jaden's the best relocator
on the perimeter. Like he just does so many They've
lost so many like higher IQ guys on this team,
and my thoughts all he's been where's it going to
come back to? Like, who's going to kind of regenerate
that ability, especially as Mike kind of ages out. I
think Jayden is a pretty big one of Yes, he
might make those like that emotional play, that emotional foul

(22:43):
that leaves you scratching your head when he's frustrated or whatever,
but it's just on a play to play basis. I
think I see some of the more high IQ stuff
coming from Jayden. So when he mixed that on top
of his ability to get his shot off over anybody
and get to his thoughts pretty efficiently, I think he
does have a higher offensive ceiling then maybe even I
thought in the past just because I was like, Hey,
he can do a B and C, but I don't
think he's ever going to get you a deep bag

(23:05):
quote unquote or whatever. But I don't even know if
he needs it. The way the efficient way that he plays,
and part of his efficiency is because I think he's
a pretty smart basketball player.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I listened to your most recent appearance on the Day
Moore podcast, I think it dropped yesterday, and it was
interesting to hear you guys talking about the way that
the Wolves have been playing in Ant's absence here, especially
the last couple of games, and how I think you
just kind of alluded to it that plays into Jaden's strengths,
that plays into so many other players' strengths, and how
the ball kind of gets up the floor. It's in

(23:35):
transition and it's being shared, and it's an interesting thing
that they've got to figure out when Anthony Edwards comes back.
Is what it seemed like you were hinting at that
they're playing a really fun style of basketball right now,
and when Ant comes back, he's going to get.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
The ball a lot, which I think we all agree with.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Is that something they still have to iron out like
the best way for this team to play with Also,
maybe one of the best six or seven players in
the NBA needs the ball a lot.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah, I mean, I just think we've seen the best
versions of Jaden and Nas come out when they're playing
this brand of basketball, which isn't executed as frequently when
Ant's out there, and when Ant and Julius are out there,
which I think Ant and Julius almost make each other
more violation players because they do it just does get
a little bit more into like ugo, I go and
like confusion of Okay, I got the pass from you.

(24:23):
Now I guess it's my turn to drive. Here, they
just it doesn't feel it's flowing, and they don't play
as much pace, and those two don't have as much
movement off the ball even when there are actions in
the other direction. So nothing works as well and within
this brand. But you can just tell that like the
James and Nass of the world, wants to play that
get up and down share the ball basketball, and that

(24:43):
is I think one of the things where they play
their best. So I think the challenge for Ant is, Hey,
what what's like the main thing that superstars in the
NBA have to do. You can say the score. I
think it make everybody else around you better. And I
think if Aunt wants to make everybody else around him
better and make their lives easier when he's on the court,
which is how it should be in the game, sure,
that's going to have to be being conducive to Okay,

(25:04):
how do I make sure we're playing at the pace daylight?
How do I make sure that, Yes, well, there are
certainly times where I'm gonna have to stay on That's
just part of being an NBA superstar. How do I
make it on a night's to night basis that we're
playing a brand that they are were maximizing everybody else
around me, and I'm raising their floors because that is
your ultimate job. I think, as you know the face
of the franchise.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
One of the things I've noticed you often tweet out
the Wolves Net ratings after a certain number of games,
and Dante DiVincenzo continues to be on top there, and
I feel like you feel like you have to explain
your work or explain yourself about Dante where it's no
he really is you guys might not think it, and
maybe you have some baggage from how he played last year,

(25:44):
But am I reading those tea leaves right? Because he
obviously has played very well. You hit the most important
shot against Golden State the other night. I don't know
if it was the smartest shot in the world, the
greatest shot in the world. It was a quicken the
shot clock. But he was wide open because if it
doesn't go in. I feel like Steph Curry is hitting
a fifty photo the other way and we're talking about
another meltdown. But do you feel the need to have
to like show your work even though the work's been

(26:05):
done that Dante has been pretty damn good for this
team this year.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, I mean I think I felt that a little bit.
But honestly, that's one where even the numbers maybe changed
the way I feel about it sometimes. Sure, it is
very easy when Dante is tasked with things that maybe
aren't the most natural to him, like, hey, bring the
ball up, and yeah, it's a pressure defense, and yeah,
we're not going to do that much to help you
and you might just might not be setting you for
success here, and then he turns the ball over and

(26:29):
those things are loud, right, I think those are things
that leave a bad taste in the amount of like
how good is this guy? Whatever, Get somebody else in
who can better handle these responsibilities that really shouldn't be
like on the forefront of his role, but you do see,
like especially again where he kind of can drive pace
for them. He makes some of these risks on defense
that I think sometimes can hurt them but can also

(26:49):
lead to like the plays that spark things that I
just think kind of bring out some of the best
of the Wolves when they're getting up and down and
turning defense into offense, and he kind of ten when
things are rolling, like he can be a big part
of that. I think we saw it even against the Kings,
like NAS's the three to get it back up to
nine and Dante's one who pressure is steel lay up

(27:10):
the other way to kind of put the game away.
Like he makes a lot more of those players than
we realize, and when they're playing the way they like
to play, he's benefiting from it too. So I think
it's not really a mistake that his netwrating is the
highest because when they're rolling, he's helping generate it and
he's one benefiting from it from kind of their best basketball.
So I definitely have those times where I'm like, I
think Dante's struggling tonight and maybe there are better options

(27:31):
than blah blah blah. But the numbers do kind of
confirm that, no, this guy's really helpful to this team.
And so that's why when you're like, oh, you know,
get rid of this guy so you can upgrade gear,
I think it is like the numbers shurovide a little
bit of the context of is that really an upgrade
or are you just trying to kind of reimagine what
you think is that it's best for this team, even
if the data suggests otherwise.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Last one on the walls before we talk about a
couple of league wide things with Jase Frederick from the
Pioneer Press. Obviously, Rob Dillingham is taking his seat back
on the bench more or less. He'll obviously get some
minutes and he'll get some run in different games. I'm curious.
I asked this to Dan the other day because I'm
not as down on Dillingham as everybody is. And I

(28:12):
know when when you trade up like they did, and
you take a big swing like you did, like it's
going to be noticed, right, It's for the same reason
JJ McCarthy scrutinized and even Dallas Turner. But I'm curious
take us back to draft night then or the you know,
his rookie season, like what was Is it fair to
say he has been a disappointment or is it maybe

(28:34):
we this wasn't the right spot for him given what
they need, or is he on the same timeline he
was always supposed to be on being a one and
done player in college and clearly a guy.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Who's going to need some season.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
And I guess what I'm asking is kind of evaluate
the whole Dillingham saga.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, So what's interesting about that was when they made
that trade on draft night, Tim connolly said at Chris
Finch said it shortly thereafter, like, we're committed to playing
and I really do think that they thought. They watched
the Western Conference finals against Dallas, so I think and
was a little war down and yes, Thouols are really
good defensively, but there's only so much you can do
against Luca Dongeon. So they thought, at the end of
the day, we need another creator. We're even a little

(29:11):
bit more oftensive firepower if we're going to take the
next steps to the NBA Finals. And I think they
even throughout the process of watching the you know, the
draft and looking at guys, they thought Rob Dillingham because
be one of those creators who could help them right now.
I mean, I think they knew that they were losing
Kyle Anderson, and they thought, Okay, we'll punch this guy
in kind of as that back up points guard and
give us that real scoring punch. And then I think

(29:33):
throughout summer league, you know, and whennot in the offseason,
and Okay, I don't know how ready he is. I
think that played some role even in just that cat
trade that obviously brought back Dante as well. So I
just don't think from day one when they made the
move to when they saw the instant results, he was
quite as ready as they thought. And now I think
we're seeing here this year you kind of see why.

(29:54):
Like it's just a little inconsistent. There are certainly moments
there run there are a little stretches of like maybe
a first half stint where you're like, Okay, that was
pretty good from Robin. Then the second half isn't or
and I don't know if it's confidence or whatever, And
I don't know if he's just maybe not just quite ready,
but I don't think as far as like contributing to
a championship team on the team that still would like
to pride itself more on the defensive end, wants to

(30:17):
play a certain way offensively. It's one of those things
where I bet if he was in Washington and getting
extended run and playing with a lot of confidence, you
would look at him and say, Okay, yeah, I could
see that guy being something. But when you look at
a team that is constantly trying to contend at the
highest level and win games and playing for the postseason,
you kind of wonder how would he fit into all
of this when you get to where you want to go.

(30:37):
So it's a tough thing there. We did see, like
Reed Sheppard last year also set the bench for Houston,
so like it can happen there too. But Shepard has
kind of worked his way into a role and he's
done it playing pretty consistently well. We haven't seen those
consistent successes from dealing him yet. I think if we did,
he would see more of like a Shepherd role right now,
but that just hasn't happened.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I feel like guys like playing with him. I feel
like guys like him, just watching the body language when
he's out there. Part a lot of it is I
think he'll get him the ball, which is what everybody wants.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
So I'm not giving up on him.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I know everybody else is, because I do think and
obviously he's small, there's things that you're gonna have to
fight against your whole time, but you're also asking him
to be, you know, probably more of a distributor than
he's ever been in the past, in a different way
than what I'm talking about. I just I don't know
that I'm not giving up on him. I guess I
still see the upside, and I still see the talent.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
And there's plenty of time. And one thing that I
do think is kind of a fallacy is that you
can't develop if you're not playing. And I think we
see plenty of guys. Oh yeah, like Bolon Thailand does
not play basketball. He fell out of favor after his
rookie year in Denver, went to the Clippers, played a
little bit and up buried on their bench and just
basically gets let go and signed here and so basically
didn't play NBA minutes. And he comes back and he's

(31:46):
played really well and probably a little better than he was,
you know, prior to not all that time not playing,
like you can develop just within a system, within reps
and practice, within your own personal development and just learning
the game and maturing as a person. You can develop
in that way. So I really don't think you have
to play twenty minutes to night in the NBA, even
if a young player takes strides forward. I just think
it can kind of come down to personal development, and

(32:07):
everybody does that, you know, at their own pace, and
Rob's young enough for there's plenty of time to do that.
I know, like Timberl's fans would like to help now
because they could use it. But I think you're ready
even if Rob does go to the bench and doesn't
seem many minutes now, like I think his story even
here can be far from over. And so he's a
young guy and there was a little bit of risk
and trading up to that pick, but I still think
it can turn out Minnesota's favor.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Lastly, does any of this matter?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I look at Oklahoma City and they're obviously Oklahoma City,
But now Jace, I'm looking at Wemby saying, oh, you
thought this was going to take a minute, Like no,
we're good, We're ready. And by the way, the twenty
twenty eight Olympics, France is winning in Los Angeles, so
good luck. This is not going to get any easier
the next handful of years. I just look at those

(32:49):
two teams in particular, not to mention Denver, and there's
still a guy named Luca in Los Angeles. But it's
those two teams we know about, okay, see. But the
Wemby thing, we all knew he was going to be good.
That wasn't breaking any news. I remember having our buddy
Sam Gordon on from the Vegas Summer League when his
team came over to play because there was Wemby hype,
you know, two julys ago. Pretty scary when you see

(33:13):
what San Antonio is doing right now and Wemby wants
all the smoke. You can tell he wants all of it,
which I love.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, I mean I would be surprised if they are
like winning the title this year, but if they made
it to the West finals, that surprised me.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
No.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
And the thing about their roster is it's still guard heavy,
but those are really good guards and like still an
Arper's probably better than Castle and Fox and he's a young,
young player. His ceiling is certainly higher than those guys,
and you think he will be when Wenby's true long
term running mate. And so they all the flexibility that
want to move from that kind of I don't know,
stockpile of guards they have and get better on the
wing or whatever. They'll have the ability to do all

(33:48):
of those things and then picks to do it. Hey,
they got that first from the Wolves. Let's then the
future asset for them to work with. So they they
definitely like it's Oklahoma City, it's San Antonio, that's in
the future. But it is one of those things where
it's like, oh, why does it matter, Like their period
is all the time like this, right, Like there was
the same thought with the Warriors at the end of
that decade, and sure, and maybe that's true, maybe you

(34:09):
can't win, but the Raptors won the year when you
would have pegged the Warriors for another one because injuries
happened and things turn. But you can't just kind of
constantly keep waiting in my mind like, hey, you have
to keep trying for it, and yeah, it's just gonna
get harder and harder, and maybe maybe the time to
do was two years ago. That probably was you're gonna
be honest, the best chance to go get it right,
and they didn't do it. But that doesn't mean, you know,

(34:31):
you got to keep pushing and when the next opportunity
presents itself a better cash.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Well, and Ant's going to have a say in it.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And you just look at his progression and how he's
played and what he's at it. Of course I say
it tongue in cheek, but it's going to be. You know,
when we grew up in this era too, right, we
with Kevin Garnett, like when you had all those teams
in the Western Conference. That's just kind of how it is,
and you gotta do some special stuff to break through.
Thank you, man, I always appreciate it. Have a great holiday.
We will see you at Target Center soon.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Looking forward to regards.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
You think Sam that is our guy.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Jase Frederick covers the Wolves and like everything else for
the Pioneer Press. Like all the Pioneer Press guys, they
cover everything. That's what I love about all of them. Dane, Andy, Jase,
the whole bit. We appreciate his time. Tonight I read
his stuff from Wolves Memphis, a game you can hear
right here on the fan. A little bit later this evening,
Pat Kessler will join in the five o'clock hour. He's
the one Wednesday regular. I expect my buddy Ryan Burns

(35:19):
from Gopher Illustrated dot com to join. We'll talk college
football with him, not just Gophers, but Michigan stuff and
a lot of college stuff as well.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
With Burnsey. We expect him in studio when we come back.

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Speaker 1 (35:53):
Season all right, Cake Show edition a bumper to bumper.

(36:32):
Rolls along on the fanguards again for Barrero today. Dan
will be back tomorrow. Appreciate my buddy from Gopher Illustrated,
Ryan Burns coming in studio to chat with me for
a little while.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
What's up Burns?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Ey, It's weird to turn on this program and actually
hear hockey talk.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
What do you mean the hockey Ambassador, Dan Barrero, as
anointed by Craig Leopold ten years ago. I can speak
for Dan. He would have led the show off today
with hockey talk. He absolutely would have.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Well, now that you actually go over to Saint Paul
and able to behold that hockey team, look at you?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Are you here to talk? You're in a lead hockey mind.
Many people say that about you. I grew up any dinahs,
so it's in even did you. This is the first
I've heard of it. Even though I can't skate, it's
in my blood. You know, I can't skate at all. Literally, Okay,
Mason West, we should do yeah, exactly, we should do
a bit where I go skating at Braemar.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
It would be terrible. I'd probably hurt myself. And I'm
a hockey dad now, so I feel like I'm in
the community. And it was I felt bad for my
son though, when a couple of weeks ago we had
a little mite tournament and the dads on the other
team were Zach Parizi, Ryan Suitor, Devin dub Nick, Alex Goligowski,
Keith Ballard and like four other guys that played Division

(37:42):
one hockey and then my son's out there with a
father who can't skate. I'm just super proud of him
that he's on the same ice as those guys doing it.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
You're doing it, buddy, you're doing it. Other than that,
just broke over here.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I can't regulate you look over and to go, okay,
all right, those that team okay, all right, good luck guys.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Go get them. Yeah. Other than that, how was the game, missus? Like?
It was a good game? Yeah, sure, fourteen to one.
No it was not.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean, I'm not going to go to sports engine
and pull up the score, but it was a nice
game between the two teams.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
It was fun. But that's what he's up against, believe
it or not. I want to talk Twins with you
to start out, oh boy, because you are other than Grim,
the only guy I know that just like still rides
or dies with baseball all the time. And I'm curious
if you are moved at all by the breaking news
from really yesterday the news was broken, and then today
the Twins made it official that we know who the

(38:33):
new minority partners are, and one of them, speaking of hockey,
is Craig Leopold. Wild Owners jumping in to invest some
of his money, I guess, and we'll see what that means.
Maybe they partner on some kind of regional TV deal
that can make everybody rich and all of those things.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And we certainly know Craig Leopold.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Is not afraid to spend money or take big swings,
so I hope his influence makes it to the corner office.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
But we've got a new poll Ad in charge. I
didn't even know there was a Tom Polead.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
We all know about Joe add but apparently Joe is
taking a back seat and it's Tom Polead as a
Twins roube.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Are you inspired? Are you moved?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Well?

Speaker 5 (39:07):
I even saw that Aaron Gleman asked the new poll
Ad brother here, how are what's the direction of the franchise?
Because they were talking today with the media. Yes, and
it doesn't sound awfully inspiring. But I would have paid
to have been in the room a fly on the
wall for when the pole Ad family looked at Joe
and said, we're going to make someone else the polarizing

(39:29):
figure in this market, because as someone who watches one
hundred and forty plus Twins games, is maybe the only
thirty three year old in the market that cares about
baseball the way that I do.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
A thirty three.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, I just want to see them actually attempt to
feel the competitive team. And I know you want to
go have me go through the Josh Bell splits and
how they've actually got a first basement that's not going
to be Cody Clemens anymore, which on inspiring for that
or even now that they're hypothetically going to hold onto
Joe Ryan, Byron Buxton and these other guys. I just
want to see them payroll that's anything resembling one hundred

(40:02):
and I think even for this market and this cat
for Twins fans, can we see it be anywhere near
one hundred and forty million. And that's not even good,
by the way, that's bottom third of Major League Baseball.
But it is at least interesting to see the local
flavor of the new ownership group and the hope that

(40:22):
being when the Walker Jenkins and the Emmanuel Rodriguez Is
and these younger guys actually can give a fan base
hope that you'll actually throw money into it and not
have the Blue Jays fiasco of twenty twenty three all
over again, which I did hear the new Pole at
say they screwed that up, which, look, they actually took
accountability for something in this market. What a novel concept.

(40:44):
But yeah, it's God you give me.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I know, I knew it would I knew, well, that's
part of the reason why I wanted to be end too.
Here's glean and you mentioned it his tweet. I asked
Tom Pollett about his repeated use of the word relentless
in regard to winning and how that can square how
he can square that with dramatically decreased payrolls over the
past several years and a current payroll around one hundred
million dollars. Here's the response. I think the one that
you're talking about, yep. I don't think that as the

(41:10):
landscape what I see right now that we should put
a significant investment into the team of fifty or sixty
million dollars. I think Gleaman rights on top of their
current one hundred million dollar payroll, but I don't think
we're far off from that. I think the hard work
in front of us is getting people and fans to
buy into to believe we are committed to a championship
caliber investment and team. I would tell you that Rome
wasn't built in a day. It's not just the players

(41:32):
on the field that will make us champions, it's the
organization in its entirety.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I feel like I'm listening to them a bunch of
corporate jargon. Thereafter, we're not going to throw fifty or
sixty million at our one hundred million dollar payroll.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Now, what do you think of this?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Though?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
He calls himself because Gleaman does, then says, I asked
Tom poll Out if he's worried the Twins are taking
a half measure by keeping star players without supporting them
by increasing the payroll to add impact talent to the roster.
Pull That admitted it's a worry and called himself a
go big or go home guy.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Here's the quote. I worry about it.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Half measures are not good, and you'll probably get to
know me over time. I'm not a half measured guy.
I'm a go big or go home guy. But again,
to your point, how do we thread the needle here
and do what's in the best interest of the fan base.
I think he's already a better talker than Joe. I
know that's a low bar. It's like a Ziggi and
Mark Wilf's situation but I your mind doesn't seem as open.

(42:26):
Have you just been beaten down?

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Here's what I would say in this market. We got
brettsky Garren, who just took a big swing. Your guy Connolly,
who all he does is take big swings.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
And I learned at a young age from Oakdale, Minnesota
here that I hear what you say and I trust
what you do.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So I hear these.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Words, but I want to see them actually go out
and spend ten million dollars on a free agent or
I don't know, extend Joe Ryan past what he's over
here for the next couple of years, actually do something
that would inspire confidence in a fan base that you
finally win a playoff series for the.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
First time in twenty twenty three. Then what do you do.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
You right size the payroll and then you trade Korea
for arguably the worst Major league excuse me, minor league
player you've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Of in your entire life. Yeah, not a good name,
just as a slap in the face.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
So it's encouraging words, but let's see the actions here
in the next twelve eighteen twenty four months.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Well, and I was texting with somebody yesterday and I
started the show with it that it's good that they
have this money, right, this new infusion of cash, and
it's essentially going to, you know, wipe out the five
hundred million dollar debt. And I believe them that they
have that kind of debt, that they've lost that kind
of money from COVID and.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Then just bad baseball. I believe them that they have that.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
However, the way it was framed yesterday and kind of
the stories like I and Paula did say today, Tom
now and again, I'm gonna have to get used to
Tom Polad after Joe forever. Yeah, the uh that they're
in it for the long haul, because the skeptic in
me says, you're going to run this thing lean until
the new CBA's figured out and the new TV deals

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figured out. We're like twenty twenty seven, twenty nine for
all that, and you're gonna run a lean and not
have a bunch of debt and then have a very
clean asset to go sell to somebody else in that time.
It is gonna the way you phrase it is perfect.
They need a radical shift in action, yes, to get
people to buy into them at that point one hundred.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Percent and that's where when you look at the roster construction,
you have a bunch of young pitching outside of Pablo Lopez.
You've got guys under under control for quite a long time.
Yet like and if you need this this farm system.
We continue to hear about that. They continue to tout
that's allegedly top five in baseball with guys like I said,
Walker Jenkins, Emanuel Rodriguez, can Zebbie Matthews take the next

(44:41):
step and.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
By then hopefully these guys are.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Taking those steps. And then if you do have a
clean books going forward there and the CBA has figured
out and the TV situation is figured out, then go add.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Pieces around them.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
But even hearing again the quote he gave Gleaming about, well,
I hope people realize it. One hundred million dollar payroll
right now is bottom five in baseball. That is horrendous.
And like three of them are teams.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
The three teams below them are either playing in minor
league stadiums or have no interest in doing anything exactly.
We're talking like thirty, forty fifty sixty million dollars payrolls.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Which is why what sense does it make to have
Pablo Lopez on the roster for twenty million, or even
why Buston had been hypothetically saying, well, if you're just
going to tear this whole thing down, I know I
got the no trade clause, but I don't want to
be a part of that if we're really going to
strip this thing down to the studs. So I'm optimistic
that the new pole ad brother Well and this new
ownership group can give direction and actual hope to a

(45:38):
Twins fan base that again, you have the moment that
you've been waiting for for a long time in twenty
twenty three where you finally beat the Blue Jays and
you win a playoff series.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It was electric, it was and then what you decide
to do? You did nothing? Yeah, you get me a.
I can't believe you did this to me.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Why don't you write for Twins Daily on top of
your Gofer illustrat I mean, if you and Bonus are tight.
Bonus listens to the Parents podcast. We talked about it,
so does Gleaming. They always text and talk to us
about it all the time. Why are you writing something
for Twins Daily during the summer. You should be well.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
I did run into a Bonus out at the Great
Duck Deck and we shared a beverager two.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
But again it is weird. Weird. Yeah, of all places
you found him there. Wow.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Again it's optimistically it has the Twins person in me
optimistic about them. But even hearing those quotes today, like.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Why are we goinging?

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Like I remember last April, the Twins are playing the
White Sox and I looked at my wife and I said,
I can sit behind. I literally sat on top of
the White Sox dugout first row for twenty bucks off
stub up at like a three pm purchase.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Well that's on you. Well, that's great, that's on you
for having interest in that. But it's just like, I.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Want people to care about the Twins again, but I
get why no one does. I get it, Trust me,
I do.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
All right, Well, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
If you want to talk to Twins Daily's Ryan Burns,
I hit the bratch on Brian Kfe in text line
six four six eighty six. We will talk some go
for football with him'll talk some college football with him,
and we'll talk to Michigan with him, because we talked
a lot about that on pair and of spared this week,
and that story obviously has taken a lot of different turns.
Burnsey hanging out for the next couple of segments.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
More with him when we