October 16, 2025 • 44 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show and spends much of the first hour discussing the length of JJ McCarthy's most recent injury and wonders if availability has already become a significant issue the Vikings need to worry about long-term.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
McCarthy milk it.
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Disappointing bit of news.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Shohn Salisbury out today for very good, happy personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
It appears.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I don't think there is anything permanent, but he is
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I just got done reading before the show a piece
the Jackals, some of the Jackals, some of the veteran
Jackals are finally catching up with us and acknowledging in
this case. In this case, chipskoggins that Carson Wentz will
be the starting quarterback for the Vikings on Sunday against
the Eagles, after he had admittedly I give him credit,
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he acknowledged that he had predicted a couple of days
ago it was going to be McCarthy. He's done the
serwanga and said that it's going to be Carson Wentz
or at least another week, maybe two games, because of
that Thursday night affair in Los Angeles, California. I don't
know how much further we can go down that road,
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but it did occur to me as as we're all
sort of debating this and trying to read the tea
leaves and analyzing word for word what the head coach
has to say each and every day, are we ignoring
the elephant in the room regarding this story that has
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nothing to do with who should start and whether one
guy's going to start instead of the other guy, and
how long that guy, if it's Wentz, should be allowed
to continue to play? Do you have can you get
the Viking schedule up on your computer?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You know the date with the dates? Even better?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, that's even better. It'll almost seem like this was
planned out. What was the date of the Vikings Bears
game in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Monday night?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Monday September eighth? What is the date today? Today's October sixteenth?
So can we do this map? Is that six weeks ago?
I'd have to get a calendar and count, but that
sounds about right. Well, it's the beginning of September and
it's mid October. Correct, that's six weeks? And what did
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we hear from the quarterback himself yesterday? I I can't
say you it's one hundred percent and it's annoying. Has
anybody asked again? I get it high ankle sprain, they're tricky,
different levels of them and all that stuff, But did
anybody really think that at the sixth week mark, it's
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still highly likely that he's not ready to play? Not meley, No,
I'm talking about whether you know he can handle the
load and whether it's too much coming at him too fast.
I just mean his body. Did anybody have that? Onundir
Bengo card? That it's going to be seven or eight weeks,
two months. How long is McCarthy going to milk it.
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I'll just ask you. You're the ankle expert among the
two between it. Well, actually I've I've torn some riverwalk issues.
I've torn ligaments in both of my ankles badly. Well,
technically he's still at about the five week marks. He
got hurt against Atlanta, Right, he didn't get hurt against
that's a good point. So he hadn't practice. We'll give
him the week, you're right. But then he had the baby.
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You say played.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
He was in the game.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Maybe my mistake was maybe that's why I was what
I was thinking. He played, but he really didn't play.
Yeah he was suited up, Yeah he dressed, but did
not play well and then injured himself. But has really
only practiced, like we've said one time before, all of
this stuff in the last five to six weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You're right, it's tender.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Doesn't that feel like? Here's what I do start to
worry about with it with him? And again I'm not
calling him soft, but all the best laid plans go
out the window if a guy can't stay on the field.
He missed all of last season.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yes, I don't remember him playing in any regular season
games last year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
He didn't. He played okay in the preseason and then
was done.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right, So it's just it feels like, all right, so
it's five weeks. It's five weeks then, correct, should be
since the Atlanta game. That's he heard it in the
Atlanta game and I'm looking at I remember we talked
about it. There was a camera shot where they showed
him on the sidelines getting the ankle retape, and I wondered,
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but you know, he's a tough guy, and really, I
don't think after the game anybody said anything about it, right, No,
it wasn't until I think the next day that KOC
ruled him out. Correct, So Monday the fifteenth, and pulling
up that story. At the time, the report was he
was expected to miss two to five four weeks. And
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here we are, So we're definitely past two to four weeks.
We're at we're basically four, I guess we are at four, yeah,
four and.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Change from the fifteenth, sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
By the time by the time we get to Sunday,
it'll be the start of another week basically, so it's
gonna end up being closer to five and read the
tea leaves man, he's not gonna play. How often do
you hear from the player himself? And I'm not ripping
him for his honesty? How often do you hear from
the player it's himself? That's yeah, it's it's annoying and
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it's one hundred percent. How often do you hear? Did
you see the quote from I missed this quote. I
don't know if this was from yesterday or Monday from
the head coach. Did you see this one? It's a
unique real injury. Unique real that's what that's apparently what
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O'Connell unprompted. According to the Chipschoggins comp said, I missed
that quote. I didn't see that one or didn't hear it?
A unique real.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Injury?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And so I got questions from the jackals, and I'll
ask Alex lewis this in four forty seven? How is
it unique? What is unique about it? That would trouble
me because it almost sounds like you're saying, well, this
wasn't your garden variety ankle injury.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So what does that mean? Does that mean it could
be two more, three more weeks?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Does it mean that makes all this debate academic, because
if he's not ready to play, it doesn't matter if
you think he should play, right, They're not going to
force him, nor should they no force him? Yeah, why
do I Why do I want to believe that number
four would have missed maybe two weeks?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Does that mean?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Is that too mean? Brett favre number four? It might
be mean, but it's not wrong. I don't think it's wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's not incorrect. Kelly.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
He his ankle was almost removed in the Saints game,
and he kept playing. He did by those cheating bastards
that you love so much in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I still turned the volume down with Jonathan Vilma on
the call, so I'll give him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The the Bears game was goes back to what the
head coach said about how much he's practiced.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So the week of the Atlanta game he practiced once. Yes,
because the baby. So he's milking the injury and the baby.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I know you can't do both. I don't think you
cannot be a big time National Football League quarterback. I
don't think Boomer Sizon had it. Wait, he was the
C section number one. It's poor family planning's let's get
it together. You're about to be a starter in the
National football You agreed with him get it together. You
agreed with him on that sea section. No, no, not that, No,
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but the planning thar Jagria McCarthy, I'm about to be
a starter in the NFL. I'm saying, hey, can we
wait till March? It was hurt all last year. I'm
only half kidding. By the way, I could be honest
and also say I'm only half kidding and say if
McCarthy's last name was not an M name, I probably
wouldn't have done this bit at all. I've waited how
long to replace How long would maur milk it? Yeah,
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with a with a you know, a suitable candidate with
an M name. That's pretty good, And we got him.
It's McCarthy. How long McCarthy? How long ago was the
maur milk it bit? About fifteen years fifteen years ago?
And it landed him? How did it turn out for him?
And he ended up in the Hall of Fame, Fame,
first ballot, Hall of Fame. And I never remember Dustin
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More sending a message saying Joe Mauer is going on
paternity leave. Well, no, that's true. He won't be available
for the White Sox series. So, on the one hand,
I'll apologize to JJ McCarthy for pretending that he's been
out an extra week because he did play I use
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that term loosely in the Atlanta game, but he did.
But I still I'm starting to wonder about again that
part of it and whether this is just the kind
of guy whose body is going to be a problem,
Because let me tell you something, boys and girls, if
that's true, the whole thing can unravel on you, no
matter how much you love the player, no matter how
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much of a gamer you think he is, no matter
how much you think he can become your franchise quarterback forever.
All those best laid plans can get wrecked if you've
got a quarterback who, for whatever reason, bad luck, bad circumstance,
bad healing issues, freak injuries unique, according to the head coach,
cannot stay out on the field.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Does anybody do? If anybody follow up and ask him
what he meant by unique, I haven't seen it doesn't
mean it hasn't happened. So among.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do we know, by the way, officially that it was
an high ankle sprain or just an ankle sprain or
did we say hi, because then we knew that the
understanding would be as to take him longer than just
your basic garden variety ankle spring. I would assume that
we said it's been diagnosed as a high ankle spring. Okay,
that's according to Sea for a month ago, according to Chefty.
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All right, we're all in agreement. He's not going to
play Sunday, right or not. You're not ready to go
that far yet. No, I don't think he'll play, and
I don't think then. I don't think he'll play Thursday either.
I think he misses the next two games. And that's
not on him necessarily, it's just the schedule. It's the schedule,
the fact that they play Thursday night. I just but
I just I just we've all sort of taken for granted.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, he's hurt.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
But at some point, when you get to the one
month mark and passed it, do you go a wait
a minute. And by the way, and at this time,
he's still saying he's not saying, hey, it feels pretty good.
Right now, he's saying it's annoying and it doesn't feel
very good and it ain't one hundred percent and he's
limited in practice. He's limited in practice for God's sake.
So I just I think the jackals need to get
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on cent of what's going on here. Exactly what's this about?
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I know we got a lot of them in the
Twin Cities. We're pining over the possibility that they could
steal Indiana University's head coach Kurt Signetti. That dream has died.
A couple outlets reporting that Signetti has signed a new
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eight year contract extension that runs through twenty thirty three.
Annual value average I should say annual value eleven point
three million buy out.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's a quarter of a billion I'm making I'm making
that part up, but I actually told guards he during
the break. I thought it'd be more to be honest
with you. Now, is eleven point three? Does that put
him at who makes more in the Big ten than
eleven point three?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Do you know Ryan Day? Might? I'll look up him
that pretty close? Yeah? Probably? Why not?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So good for the Hoosiers doing what you have to
do in this situation, and good for uh Kurt Signetti
as well, who is set for the rest of his
life twelve point five a year for Ryan Day? Ryan
Day's twelve five? And is he So would this be
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second we think?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Or no? Yeah, I'm just trying to think off the
top of my head. Probably Where would your guy Farens be?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Do you think after all these years is six seventy eight?
I think he's double digits? Yeah, okay, no, I might
be way wrong. I'll look it up quick. Interesting. So
there's the news. I think Indiana hosts Michigan State this week,
if I'm not mistaken. Did I see that there something's
goofy going on? Like the people are like playing with them?
Did I see they're like twenty eight point favorites the Hoosiers. Yeah,
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that's not that was a misprint, right, I bet it's
not that far off.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, they're not.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Michigan State's not that horrible. I know they played terribly
against UCLA. Yeah, it's not going well for them right now. No,
that's true. But it's like, come on, that's just that
to me is like, we're trying to get people going.
We'll see twenty seven and a half turning the DraftKings
and a half. Yeah, like trying to get people to bet.
You got to remember that they're trying to get people
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to take the spartans. How long will McCarthy milk it texts?
Take this for whatever it's worth. Just one person's opinion. Okay,
my husband and I were watching JJ in the news conference.
Is he's talking about she is talking about McCarthy And
I'm sorry, but he looked like he was avoiding eye
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contact at the press conference. Did not seem confident in
his responses. Oh wow, I think the Vikings are hiding
something and I think they might know he needs more
time to develop. Now, there's a lot in that text,
because at first I thought what the texture meant was well,
the injury's worse, and they're still trying to come to
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terms with it and figure out how to treat it,
et cetera. But towards the back end, it sounds like
it's the we're trying to continue to the ruse. Yeah,
the ruse that were pretending he's hurt when deep down
we know there's something. We just don't think he's at
all prepared or ready to get back out there now.
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Somebody also texted a belief what do you think of this?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That part of.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
The chaos, impatience, the zimmerization of Koc the last several weeks,
which has been dramatic, unbelievable, might well have to do
with is it possible frustration? Dare I say, exasperation on
how long this is taking with no end in sight
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quite yet. I'll throw that into the year. I don't
know that that's true. I haven't checked with anybody, but
could it be that's part of why he's a little frustrated,
because he's going he's wondering, like with crom what's going
on here?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Probably what do you mean? And what is I still
want to know what unique means on the injury.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Unique curious to know why you think if Wentz starts Sunday,
it's a foregone conclusion that he would start Thursday, assuming
the ankle's okay, he'd be healthier than Wentz on a
short turnaround general soreness, and we have more time to
prepare for the Chargers than Carson.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's John from Owatana. It's a fair question. I think.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I'm basing it on what the head coach has said
on the on his strategy bringing McCarthy back. I want
a full week of practice. I don't want to I
don't want to force him in. We're not in any
We're not going to be in any of that kind
of a hurry. He didn't use those words exactly, but
that's the impression that he's given. And to that extent,
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because there's so little time between those two games, you
feel like, well, yeah, you're going to just stay with Wentz. Now,
if Wentz throws three interceptions and they lose to the
Eagles forty one donut, then all bets are off on
any of everything. Right, probably, but again it if he's
not ready, it's not going to matter. And and somebody
else made a really good point here. The key question
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this week even bigger than you know, because we now
know pretty much know who's going to start. The key
question is will he will McCarthy suit up for this game.
That's where it gets really interesting. That's true because you
can argue that if they come to the conclusion that
he's still GIMPI why suit him up at all if
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you're not going to start him and force him out there,
because you know, we got to win a game or
whatever the case may be. We feel like he gives
us the best chance to win, which I don't even
think they believe right now. Then Brosem's got to be
your backup QB. And I'd say that, whether it was
your guy Brozman or anybody else, why even suit him up?
Right That's where I think we'll also get a clue
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as to where he is.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Does that completely rule out that he would play Thursday
if he doesn't suit up?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I think it kind of does? I do, I really do?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
How many days do you have to practice if you
play Sunday, you travel have to travel Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Right, Yeah, day before the game.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
They barely that they exactly do the short weeks exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So that's why I think it would be surprising, very surprising.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Other than well, the other X factor is went Wentz
gets hurt, which he's he gets battered.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's very possible.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And then you got the delicious notion of Brozemer somehow
making himself, you know, getting himself in the mix as well.
This is too deep for me. This is from Ed
and Saint Paul's see if you've ever heard of this?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
All right?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
My question would be, if the McCarthy high ankle sprain
was so severe, why didn't he undergo the popular ankle
tightrope procedure, which is a minimally invasive surgical technique used
to repair a high ankle spray. Unlike traditional methods, this
procedure could offer a faster recovery time, with some athletes
returning to the sport in as little as four weeks.
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Do you know anything about the I don't think I've
heard of the ankle surgery seizure?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Or is he just playing with it? He might be.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
JJ seems though, to be one that would be interested
in alternative medicines. You think that alternative treatments and therapy.
But if it's as little as four weeks, then what
the hell's the difference? We were at the four week mark. Now, well,
I'll do that just to maybe get an extra week
or two. Well, maybe he's but he maybe he would
be farther along than he appears to be right now,
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because it doesn't now again, maybe he's going to hit.
Did they practice today, Yes, and in practicing they just
wrapped up. Has he been classified? Is he classified again
as limited? Wasn't he limited yesterday? Wasn't he defined as limited?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Am I wrong? No?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You are correct, he was limited yesterday. We don't have
the report today yet. We got it very late yesterday.
I thought it was after the top five A five
usually it's just before. So we'll see what they designate
him as now. But I do know everybody, all fifty
three were out on the field in some capacity today,
according to I think Seaffert tweeted that that everybody that's
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house to practice was practicing today in some capacity. What
I've seen so far, JJ McCarthy will be the Byron
Buxton of the Vikings, always injured. May have the talent,
but not big enough or solid enough to take that
kind of punishment.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's Kelly and Ramsey.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do you think koc is more frustrated because he's starting
to think JJ isn't who he thought he was.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I think it's too early for that. I do. I Look,
there are.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No guarantees on anybody, no matter how much I like
the QB, you like the QB, like the move, whatever.
But I think it's too early to say that. I
do think it's possible that when we look back on
this thing, is it going to be the kind of
thing where we say, well, you know, maybe he needs
to sit a much longer period of.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Time than we thought.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But even that is premature at this point, Dan, Why
don't they just come out and say, yeah, we know
who we want in there to start, we're just not
going to tell you. It would save so much time
and energy babbling about this over and over again.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Where are we here?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh, you're not gonna like this one? This is from
uh Mark in Lakeville. Dan, Maybe Sean Payton was right
after all, and he tricked us into taking McCarthy over
bow Nicks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh. Interesting, that's controversial, right. Interesting? Boonex has been pretty good,
not been.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I don't think he's been great, but he's been and
he and guess what he's got playing time?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Didn't he start a bunch of games last year? He
hadn't turn it over to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Him he did, and he was electric in that thirteen
eleven win over the Jets. Let's go to forty two, right,
We're all right, tom, So you know it was either
yesterday or the day before on the Paul Allen Project.
I think it's more more fashionably called nine to noon
these days. I still like the alliteration, so I go
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with the Paul Allen project. Your guy Nordo made the
key point on all of this. Much of it we've
discussed over a period of months, but he laid it
out very nicely and concisely. And what he harkened back
to is, well, here's the setup. PA had watched over
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period of games. Who's the new England Patriots starter? Now,
the guy we apparently coveted, And he said, you know,
every time I watch him, I wasn't all that impressed
with him. And then he saw I think it may
have been his most recent game or second to most
recent game, and he said, man, that guy looks good now,
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zipping the ball around, getting the ball out of his
hands accurate.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Looks like he's got some voltage to him. At which point.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Nardo said, here's the rub, as laid out nicely with
this comparison when, as it pertains to the Vikings, did
anybody though it was a coach last year who wanted
to try to save his job, Did anybody think the
New England Patriots were primed last year to do anything
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but try to start the rebuild right right? So May
could be thrown out there and every look, highly touted quarterback,
highly drafted quarterbacks, got pressure on him no matter what.
But there wasn't that much at stake other than the
coach's job for the New England Patriots. Just go play,
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go play, get some experience, because the team didn't spend
and didn't bill itself as we're going somewhere because frankly
they the year before hadn't been very good either. He
compared that and contrasted that with the ongoing central contradiction
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about the twenty twenty five Vikings. The moral of the
story on May is all that experience. Maybe it toughened
him up, got a better idea what this level was like,
and now he's starting to turn the corner. Okay, now
they look like a team that might make the playoffs
for goods. Yeah, three touchdowns this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Can the Vikings the unfairness for McCarthy, you could say, is.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
From the beginning of the season, you've wanted to throw
him into the deep end, in part because of circumstance.
You couldn't pay Darnold, you couldn't keep Daniel Jones, and
you love them, and he sat off last year, and
you think he's pretty damn good, but you're throwing him
in the deep end because, unlike Drake May a year ago,
something feels like is at stake this entire season. The
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Vikings were coming off fourteen and three. Maybe they weren't
as good as that record indicated, but it's a completely
different circumstance. So if let's just say, for the sake
of argument, that McCarthy's going to struggle as much as
Drake May did at times last year, simply because it's
part of the process, well, in effect, you're running the
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risk then of sacrificing this season, a season that you
build during the offseason as one where we feel like
we're reloading, right, we are not rebuilding. So I thought
it was a very good point. Yeah, by Nordo, playing
off of what Pia was saying about. He was raving
about how much better Drake May looks, and he did
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a year ago. It's it's if McCarthy needs that same
period of time, number of games, then it's going to
directly impact this team's chance to compete in any meaningful
way in twenty twenty five. Now, the comeback to that
could be, yeah, but we got better infrastructure around him.
You're supposed to than the Patriots did. At least we
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were supposed to. Some of that broke down. Some of
that broke down line. So that's that continues to be
why as much as people think we talk about this
whole thing too much, why it can't be talked about enough.
It's it's and you and I have talked about this,
whether it's fair or not. What has added pressure to
this situation is there are three quarterbacks being hailed as
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either playing great or redeeming themselves. And their names are Darnold,
Jones and Rogers. And we were in the mix. We
had two of them, and we obviously flirted in the
darkness retreat with the other one and ultimately said, no,
we're not going to mess with it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's too much trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Even though we try to tell people on this show,
the Viking should have plunged into the deep end for
Aaron Ryders. And the third one we think wanted to
come here is yeah, exactly it right, exactly. I heard
Drew Brees earlier this week, and this isn't what anybody
wants to hear either, and I don't even know if
it's true, but it was an interesting opinion. His theory
is that young quarterbacks he thinks need fifty high level
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games is what he called that. Think about it, and
that doesn't necessarily mean just in the pros, okay, but
he says because a lot of it's time now, guys
are playing for a year in college and then going right,
they're maybe sitting somewhere transferring, having a good year or two.
That's twenty right, twenty twenty five games, and then they
get to the pros.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So do the math.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You probably need another year and change at least to
get to where you want to go there, maybe two.
It's going to get harder to get there fast if
you can't be healthy enough to play right. But that
goes into that's why, man, it's that's what nobody would
want to hear that, because that's not what the Vikings
were banking on for this season. They weren't banking on
whatever they try to tell you now about it's his
(29:33):
journey and he's early in it, which we're hearing now,
like again, it's early in the journey.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He love the journey. The journey's great. I do love
the journey. It sounds better.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's better in college, to be honest, it sounds better
when it's Sam Darnold and his part of the journey
as opposed to where JJ is in his journey right now.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But that might be part of it too.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But you do look around and a lot of guys
have redeemed themselves and they all haven't been to the
KOC school. Like mac Jones had a moment or two
in San Francisco right he was he's played very well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
He was up and.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Down and he's standing mightily in New England in his journey. Yes,
and he just stood for a minute. Then he was
terrible and now he's pretty solid. But that's the problem
is you can't microwave that. And if you can't even
get out there to play, then it's even more so delayed,
you know what. I think also complicated things for the
Vikings and made it easier for McCarthy and the Vikings
(30:24):
to say we can plug him in. There'll be some
you know, there'll be there'll be some hills and value.
We can plug him in. The number of young quarterbacks
from that same draft who excelled as quickly as you did. Right,
the Washington kid is a time in the list.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yep, Jaden would be number one. Nicks played reasonably well.
Who am I forgetting? Who else is in that draft?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'm gonna pull it up. I mean, Drake may again,
I think it was taken.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It has taken his this season for him to seemingly
start to figure the thing out. Penix would have been won, right,
Panics would have been one, and again Pennix didn't play
till late, but then they thought they saw enough, obviously
in practice, to turn the whole thing up. They they
said goodbye to Kirk Cousins, the guy they just spent
(31:10):
half a billion dollars on to to go there. So
I think there is some feeling of, well, yeah, there
you can if he if he's good enough, and again,
he still might be good enough. I mean, let's let's
be realistic. The first game I think he's likely to play,
if he's healthy enough to play, is that Lions game
(31:33):
at Detroit and that's that's after the Thursday game where
we got some extra time right at Detroit.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's the game, is it not?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And if it's not, then then you really probably do
have a real situation where he's just not gonna, you know,
for whatever reason, be the guy. And two things can
alter this tomorrow, worsening injuries for Carson Wentz, who does
get hurt himself, and bad play. You know, we're he
(32:00):
just regresses to what he has basically become classified as
pretty much a tournament quarterback, and it can change the
whole thing. The question then, is is McCarthy ready to
grab the reins at that point physically, let alone the
mental side of it and processing everything. And I mean,
you know, Chip brought up the same thing we did
about the you know, the low base, and I mean
(32:22):
it talking when you when when a head coach starts
talking about a quarterback like he's got to strip him
down and start over exactly, that's just not a good
sign in the middle of a season.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No, I'm sorry, and I was. That was bothering me
so much.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Again yesterday we talked about it because think about all
the things that happen in what two point seven seconds
basically for an NFL quarterback to get the ball and
figure out where the hell to throw it. Like, you're
gonna tell me it's productive that Right now, on October fifteenth,
we're talking about base balance, body control, and Brozemer or
(32:56):
whatever the hell the for it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
The PAFE might be broke.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He's dropping back, yeah, and he's having to think about
all that. Meanwhile, here comes Micah Parsons in a couple
of weeks Like that just doesn't it doesn't make sense.
We should be stripping all of that down right now.
We shouldn't be thinking about any of that right now. Base,
body position, and balance. Those are the three base for now,
body position and balance, and then the fourth could be
(33:22):
is as we've we've talked about several times, the power
of completions compels you to not be afraid to throw
short passes. Yes, that's a big part of it as well.
So we'll I interpret as Brozemer by the way, the
ability to take the completion. That's all I'm going to say. Well,
you're on record consistently, you might as well play it
out now. He might as well go all the way
(33:44):
with it. At this point, he could go in and
throw five picks. But I don't think no one's going
to remember that anyway. But if you're right, then then
you're going to be like, see he called it. You're
feeling it, aren't you? For this week?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, I will say I'm still bummed that Wentz went
back in the game in London. He went nine for nine. No,
he was great. It was good.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You're saying Brozman would have gone what ten for ten?
I'm just saying, it's set up so beautifully, Yeah it was.
It was set up so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's a lot, man to ask anybody, including your guy.
That's a lot. A lot we know, we'll never know.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
State of Hockey is starting to wonder if JJ was
actually a basketball player. Hockey guy's tough aout. That's true.
That might have been fallness. You butt guys are both morons.
You're comparing a guy who played two games to the
guys who played all last year. Well, yeah, you're you're
kind of missing the six point two guys.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
You're missing the point.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I was quoting Nordo as saying that because that quarterback
Drake May had all that time and struggled mightily last year,
to ask McCarthy this year on a team that seems
to be built for winning now, not rebuilding, but reloading.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's asking a lot. That's the point. If you missed it,
I can't There's nothing I can do for you. Man.
We are well aware that he's only played two.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But the whole point of the bit was it quoting
Drew Brees, quoting other people. It often does take time,
and you got to just sort of suffer the slings
and arrows. And unfortunately the team was built to not
want to have to suffer those slings and arrows in
twenty twenty five, so that would be the difference base,
(35:36):
body balance, bust, Wolves and five. We'll come back and
what's next. Oh well, at the top of the hour,
doctor Dan's inbox, keep the text coming, or man jgcafe
dot com, We've got room.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Do you remember.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
The sale price at which Glenn Taylor sold the Minnesota
Timberwolves and the Minnesota Lynx grudgingly, as it turns out,
to Alex Rodriguez and Mark Laurie. Do you remember how
what that price was? It was one point five was
one point five billion? Very good, according to your guy Gleeman.
(36:29):
Sportico has released its annual NBA franchise valuations. Now, admittedly
this is an estimate, okay, but it's eye opening. I
hope they hide this from Glenn Taylor, to be honest
with you. Timberwolves are estimated to be worth four point
two billion. Wow, almost three billion more than he sold
(36:55):
them to a Rod and Lourie four. Now that was
three years ago. How long ago was that dealt about?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know, things a lot of inflation.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
But I think we have further evidence as to why
Taylor used every means at his disposal to try to
nullify the deal. Well, that does hurt even if you're
a billionaire, right and his other smaller partners, the limited partners.
If you're a Rod and Lorie, Are you kidding Typewer?
You have to I don't even think he'd be agnostic
(37:29):
when you get.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
That kind of return, that's for sure. Where were we?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Now, let's get to a couple of texts. This is
from nine to five to two Guy Vikes reloaded built
to win. Now you must think thirteen and four last
year meant a guaranteed playoff spotimore this year doesn't look
like it so far, And it's not just a quarterback issue. No,
what what I'm saying I think what we're both saying
is that's how the Vikings viewed this team. They viewed
(38:01):
it as not a rebuilding year, but a reloading year
that they could do on the fly with a quarterback
with zero National Football League playing experience. Now they may
have overstated it, they may have gotten ahead of their skis,
but doesn't really matter what we think. The point of
the story is that's what they thought, and that's sort
(38:24):
of set up the central contradiction to the season, which is,
are you expecting too much from a quarterback who, you know,
like a lot of them, might need some time to develop,
might make some mistakes from time to time. Thanks for
discussing team expectations, which has been a missing piece of
(38:45):
this whole McCarthy conversation.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Makes it clear to me that you.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Have to go back to JJ in the Detroit game
and for the rest of the season, for better or
for worse, we'll have I expectations next year, presume me
for the years to follow. Vikings knew they would have
to sacrifice the sea and for his development at some point,
and if not, then they are delusional. Well it's an
interesting point. Now, that's two games from now. Let's say
(39:10):
the Vikings lose them both. What are we now three
and two, so we'd be three and four going into
the Detroit game. Yes, that's still not buried enough, I
think to give up on the season the way teams
think and the way coaches no think.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But you have a couple of home games exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And again, but again, if it probably becomes a no
brainer if Wentz regresses right or if he is a
big part of the reason they lose both of them.
You know where the defense actually plays reasonably play and
you usally got nothing going offensively. So but I agree
with most of the Jackals who cover this team in
(39:48):
the daily basis that in all honesty, there are two
more games to play with here without it having to
turn into from a team standpoint, a boiling controversy. And
then at that that point, then you got then you
have something to discuss with a Detroit game, right, because
presumably there's at two more weeks, three more weeks that
he's got that much more time to heal.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So we'll have to see where it goes, you know
what I'd like to see?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, And I'm sure somebody can do this pretty easily,
someone better at photoshop than I am. I'd love a
side by side picture of Kevin O'Connell. Remember after the
Vikings beat the Packers and Darnold was brilliant to set
up the game against the Lions for the division for
the number one seat.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Remember when the.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Water was getting thrown on, Oh yeah, and Chaos was
kind of looking back at somebody with that like proud face,
like can you believe this?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Can you believe the culture shield?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Like his face, just that KOs face has burned into
my brain, as does Darnald looked like he was, you know,
just beaming like there's a twelve year old being padded
on the head. I want to see that face juxtaposed
to the face we saw yesterday when he was at
which quarterback was going to be on the practice field
or what the quarterbacks? Where the quarterback situation stood. So
(41:06):
I feel like it's almost like he's been president for
eight years, how much he's aged from the happy koc
Can you believe that everything we do just turns into
gold to this one now less than what what is
this nine months later? Can you argue this is actually
more real? I mean that this feels like, yeah, he's
worn down by it. For god, Yeah, you know. I
(41:27):
don't know, but you're right. It's a completely it's a
completely different It's the contrast could not be any more
stark than it is now. Again, let's be honest about this.
Vikings host the Eagles on Sunday. They go out there
and they blow the doors off the Eagles or they
just beat them. Yeah, but especially if they dominate, are
(41:48):
impressive everybody, you know, it'll relax everything pretty quickly, no
matter who is a quarterback, for God's sake, whether it's
your guy, whether it's JJ or pastronaut. Oh I think
I don't think we can get him back. No, No,
where is Pastorn? Is he still in San fran as
a third stringer?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Or is he out? I actually no, idea. Didn't we
play a team that had him? I thought we did.
I don't remember. We might have.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm not I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, I feel real
sorry for Glenn Taylor. Let's start to go fund of
me drive. You knew that was counting, of course, and
yeah it's stupid, but no, it's but it's imagine could
have had multiple more billions, yes, billions, and it's a
massive change. He's good, he's fine, Yeah, he's yeah, but
I just think his ego and his pride. He's not
(42:37):
gonna have to eat at Arby's no, which, by the way,
him and Swiss Lucky and the potato cakes. I'd be
fine if I was a billionaire. That's probably where i'd
eat me too, every day. Yep, I don't care large
cherry coke curly fries have gone downhills a little bit.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I've noticed him.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But anyway, Yeah, I'm with you. Well, I well, I'm
potato cake guy. They back again or I haven't been
back in a while. I haven't been back in a
while either, or fourth on those. But that's where you
still have Like the last big business deal of a
legendary career is going to be that one for Glenn Taylor,
where he left at least two maybe three billion on
the table.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
That's not gonna sit well, No, it's not. No, I
wouldn't sit well with anybody.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I mean again, he's.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Fine, But it's an interesting story.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
And we knew that. We kind of knew it all along.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah that people kept saying, man, that's that price probably
is part of what's bugging him right now and his partners. Yes,
that's very true. I mean that is a lot realer
than his and I really believe that was part of
what made him say, well, if I can find a
way to get out of this thing, I'm gonna go
ahead and get out of that. In the fact that
the team was better, obviously that he you know, he
(43:44):
had suffered through a lot of stuff as well there,
So it's a combination of both those things.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
All right, here's what we got the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
We've got Alec Lewis at four forty seven on the Vikings,
and we have Lavelle moved up a day. He is
at five point thirty today because as we're out early
at five o'clock and we want to find time for him.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
He did. Lavelle did text us the surgery. This was it.
Tightrope surgery for exists.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
He writes, I've never covered anyone who has had it,
so I don't know. Maybe that means it's controversial, maybe
it's experimental.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I've never even heard of the term. I have never
heard of.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
It's kind of interesting, and he covered the twins in
that clubhouse, so it must make a think about it.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, or we maybe we should have used it more
often than we did.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Possibly too, we may look back on this and say,
you know, if we had just committed McCarthy to the
tightrope surgery, we'd be on our way to the NFC
North title. Think about it, back with the inbox that's
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I just got done reading before the show a piece
the Jackals, some of the Jackals, some of the veteran
Jackals are finally catching up with us and acknowledging in
this case. In this case, chipskoggins that Carson Wentz will
be the starting quarterback for the Vikings on Sunday against
the Eagles, after he had admittedly I give him credit,
(02:52):
he acknowledged that he had predicted a couple of days
ago it was going to be McCarthy. He's done the
serwanga and said that it's going to be Carson Wentz
or at least another week, maybe two games, because of
that Thursday night affair in Los Angeles, California. I don't
know how much further we can go down that road,
(03:17):
but it did occur to me as as we're all
sort of debating this and trying to read the tea
leaves and analyzing word for word what the head coach
has to say each and every day, are we ignoring
the elephant in the room regarding this story that has
(03:39):
nothing to do with who should start and whether one
guy's going to start instead of the other guy, and
how long that guy, if it's Wentz, should be allowed
to continue to play? Do you have can you get
the Viking schedule up on your computer?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You know the date with the dates? Even better?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, that's even better. It'll almost seem like this was
planned out. What was the date of the Vikings Bears
game in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Monday night?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Monday September eighth? What is the date today? Today's October sixteenth?
So can we do this map? Is that six weeks ago?
I'd have to get a calendar and count, but that
sounds about right. Well, it's the beginning of September and
it's mid October. Correct, that's six weeks? And what did
(04:29):
we hear from the quarterback himself yesterday? I I can't
say you it's one hundred percent and it's annoying. Has
anybody asked again? I get it high ankle sprain, they're tricky,
different levels of them and all that stuff, But did
anybody really think that at the sixth week mark, it's
(04:52):
still highly likely that he's not ready to play? Not meley, No,
I'm talking about whether you know he can handle the
load and whether it's too much coming at him too fast.
I just mean his body. Did anybody have that? Onundir
Bengo card? That it's going to be seven or eight weeks,
two months. How long is McCarthy going to milk it.
(05:13):
I'll just ask you. You're the ankle expert among the
two between it. Well, actually I've I've torn some riverwalk issues.
I've torn ligaments in both of my ankles badly. Well,
technically he's still at about the five week marks. He
got hurt against Atlanta, Right, he didn't get hurt against
that's a good point. So he hadn't practice. We'll give
him the week, you're right. But then he had the baby.
(05:34):
You say played.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
He was in the game.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Maybe my mistake was maybe that's why I was what
I was thinking. He played, but he really didn't play.
Yeah he was suited up, Yeah he dressed, but did
not play well and then injured himself. But has really
only practiced, like we've said one time before, all of
this stuff in the last five to six weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You're right, it's tender.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Doesn't that feel like? Here's what I do start to
worry about with it with him? And again I'm not
calling him soft, but all the best laid plans go
out the window if a guy can't stay on the field.
He missed all of last season.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yes, I don't remember him playing in any regular season
games last year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
He didn't. He played okay in the preseason and then
was done.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right, So it's just it feels like, all right, so
it's five weeks. It's five weeks then, correct, should be
since the Atlanta game. That's he heard it in the
Atlanta game and I'm looking at I remember we talked
about it. There was a camera shot where they showed
him on the sidelines getting the ankle retape, and I wondered,
(06:40):
but you know, he's a tough guy, and really, I
don't think after the game anybody said anything about it, right, No,
it wasn't until I think the next day that KOC
ruled him out. Correct, So Monday the fifteenth, and pulling
up that story. At the time, the report was he
was expected to miss two to five four weeks. And
(07:01):
here we are, So we're definitely past two to four weeks.
We're at we're basically four, I guess we are at four, yeah,
four and.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Change from the fifteenth, sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
By the time by the time we get to Sunday,
it'll be the start of another week basically, so it's
gonna end up being closer to five and read the
tea leaves man, he's not gonna play. How often do
you hear from the player himself? And I'm not ripping
him for his honesty? How often do you hear from
the player it's himself? That's yeah, it's it's annoying and
(07:33):
it's one hundred percent. How often do you hear? Did
you see the quote from I missed this quote. I
don't know if this was from yesterday or Monday from
the head coach. Did you see this one? It's a
unique real injury. Unique real that's what that's apparently what
(07:56):
O'Connell unprompted. According to the Chipschoggins comp said, I missed
that quote. I didn't see that one or didn't hear it?
A unique real.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Injury?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And so I got questions from the jackals, and I'll
ask Alex lewis this in four forty seven? How is
it unique? What is unique about it? That would trouble
me because it almost sounds like you're saying, well, this
wasn't your garden variety ankle injury.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So what does that mean? Does that mean it could
be two more, three more weeks?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Does it mean that makes all this debate academic, because
if he's not ready to play, it doesn't matter if
you think he should play, right, They're not going to
force him, nor should they no force him? Yeah, why
do I Why do I want to believe that number
four would have missed maybe two weeks?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Does that mean?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Is that too mean? Brett favre number four? It might
be mean, but it's not wrong. I don't think it's wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's not incorrect. Kelly.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
He his ankle was almost removed in the Saints game,
and he kept playing. He did by those cheating bastards
that you love so much in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I still turned the volume down with Jonathan Vilma on
the call, so I'll give him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The the Bears game was goes back to what the
head coach said about how much he's practiced.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So the week of the Atlanta game he practiced once. Yes,
because the baby. So he's milking the injury and the baby.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I know you can't do both. I don't think you
cannot be a big time National Football League quarterback. I
don't think Boomer Sizon had it. Wait, he was the
C section number one. It's poor family planning's let's get
it together. You're about to be a starter in the
National football You agreed with him get it together. You
agreed with him on that sea section. No, no, not that, No,
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but the planning thar Jagria McCarthy, I'm about to be
a starter in the NFL. I'm saying, hey, can we
wait till March? It was hurt all last year. I'm
only half kidding. By the way, I could be honest
and also say I'm only half kidding and say if
McCarthy's last name was not an M name, I probably
wouldn't have done this bit at all. I've waited how
long to replace How long would maur milk it? Yeah,
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with a with a you know, a suitable candidate with
an M name. That's pretty good, And we got him.
It's McCarthy. How long McCarthy? How long ago was the
maur milk it bit? About fifteen years fifteen years ago?
And it landed him? How did it turn out for him?
And he ended up in the Hall of Fame, Fame,
first ballot, Hall of Fame. And I never remember Dustin
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More sending a message saying Joe Mauer is going on
paternity leave. Well, no, that's true. He won't be available
for the White Sox series. So, on the one hand,
I'll apologize to JJ McCarthy for pretending that he's been
out an extra week because he did play I use
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that term loosely in the Atlanta game, but he did.
But I still I'm starting to wonder about again that
part of it and whether this is just the kind
of guy whose body is going to be a problem,
Because let me tell you something, boys and girls, if
that's true, the whole thing can unravel on you, no
matter how much you love the player, no matter how
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much of a gamer you think he is, no matter
how much you think he can become your franchise quarterback forever.
All those best laid plans can get wrecked if you've
got a quarterback who, for whatever reason, bad luck, bad circumstance,
bad healing issues, freak injuries unique, according to the head coach,
cannot stay out on the field.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Does anybody do? If anybody follow up and ask him
what he meant by unique, I haven't seen it doesn't
mean it hasn't happened. So among.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do we know, by the way, officially that it was
an high ankle sprain or just an ankle sprain or
did we say hi, because then we knew that the
understanding would be as to take him longer than just
your basic garden variety ankle spring. I would assume that
we said it's been diagnosed as a high ankle spring. Okay,
that's according to Sea for a month ago, according to Chefty.
(12:14):
All right, we're all in agreement. He's not going to
play Sunday, right or not. You're not ready to go
that far yet. No, I don't think he'll play, and
I don't think then. I don't think he'll play Thursday either.
I think he misses the next two games. And that's
not on him necessarily, it's just the schedule. It's the schedule,
the fact that they play Thursday night. I just but
I just I just we've all sort of taken for granted.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, he's hurt.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
But at some point, when you get to the one
month mark and passed it, do you go a wait
a minute. And by the way, and at this time,
he's still saying he's not saying, hey, it feels pretty good.
Right now, he's saying it's annoying and it doesn't feel
very good and it ain't one hundred percent and he's
limited in practice. He's limited in practice for God's sake.
So I just I think the jackals need to get
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on cent of what's going on here. Exactly what's this about?
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I know we got a lot of them in the
Twin Cities. We're pining over the possibility that they could
steal Indiana University's head coach Kurt Signetti. That dream has died.
A couple outlets reporting that Signetti has signed a new
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eight year contract extension that runs through twenty thirty three.
Annual value average I should say annual value eleven point
three million buy out.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's a quarter of a billion I'm making I'm making
that part up, but I actually told guards he during
the break. I thought it'd be more to be honest
with you. Now, is eleven point three? Does that put
him at who makes more in the Big ten than
eleven point three?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Do you know Ryan Day? Might? I'll look up him
that pretty close? Yeah? Probably? Why not?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So good for the Hoosiers doing what you have to
do in this situation, and good for uh Kurt Signetti
as well, who is set for the rest of his
life twelve point five a year for Ryan Day? Ryan
Day's twelve five? And is he So would this be
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second we think?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Or no? Yeah, I'm just trying to think off the
top of my head. Probably Where would your guy Farens be?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Do you think after all these years is six seventy eight?
I think he's double digits? Yeah, okay, no, I might
be way wrong. I'll look it up quick. Interesting. So
there's the news. I think Indiana hosts Michigan State this week,
if I'm not mistaken. Did I see that there something's
goofy going on? Like the people are like playing with them?
Did I see they're like twenty eight point favorites the Hoosiers. Yeah,
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that's not that was a misprint, right, I bet it's
not that far off.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, they're not.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Michigan State's not that horrible. I know they played terribly
against UCLA. Yeah, it's not going well for them right now. No,
that's true. But it's like, come on, that's just that
to me is like, we're trying to get people going.
We'll see twenty seven and a half turning the DraftKings
and a half. Yeah, like trying to get people to bet.
You got to remember that they're trying to get people
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to take the spartans. How long will McCarthy milk it texts?
Take this for whatever it's worth. Just one person's opinion. Okay,
my husband and I were watching JJ in the news conference.
Is he's talking about she is talking about McCarthy And
I'm sorry, but he looked like he was avoiding eye
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contact at the press conference. Did not seem confident in
his responses. Oh wow, I think the Vikings are hiding
something and I think they might know he needs more
time to develop. Now, there's a lot in that text,
because at first I thought what the texture meant was well,
the injury's worse, and they're still trying to come to
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terms with it and figure out how to treat it,
et cetera. But towards the back end, it sounds like
it's the we're trying to continue to the ruse. Yeah,
the ruse that were pretending he's hurt when deep down
we know there's something. We just don't think he's at
all prepared or ready to get back out there now.
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Somebody also texted a belief what do you think of this?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That part of.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
The chaos, impatience, the zimmerization of Koc the last several weeks,
which has been dramatic, unbelievable, might well have to do
with is it possible frustration? Dare I say, exasperation on
how long this is taking with no end in sight
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quite yet. I'll throw that into the year. I don't
know that that's true. I haven't checked with anybody, but
could it be that's part of why he's a little frustrated,
because he's going he's wondering, like with crom what's going
on here?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Probably what do you mean? And what is I still
want to know what unique means on the injury.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Unique curious to know why you think if Wentz starts Sunday,
it's a foregone conclusion that he would start Thursday, assuming
the ankle's okay, he'd be healthier than Wentz on a
short turnaround general soreness, and we have more time to
prepare for the Chargers than Carson.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's John from Owatana. It's a fair question. I think.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I'm basing it on what the head coach has said
on the on his strategy bringing McCarthy back. I want
a full week of practice. I don't want to I
don't want to force him in. We're not in any
We're not going to be in any of that kind
of a hurry. He didn't use those words exactly, but
that's the impression that he's given. And to that extent,
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because there's so little time between those two games, you
feel like, well, yeah, you're going to just stay with Wentz. Now,
if Wentz throws three interceptions and they lose to the
Eagles forty one donut, then all bets are off on
any of everything. Right, probably, but again it if he's
not ready, it's not going to matter. And and somebody
else made a really good point here. The key question
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this week even bigger than you know, because we now
know pretty much know who's going to start. The key
question is will he will McCarthy suit up for this game.
That's where it gets really interesting. That's true because you
can argue that if they come to the conclusion that
he's still GIMPI why suit him up at all if
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you're not going to start him and force him out there,
because you know, we got to win a game or
whatever the case may be. We feel like he gives
us the best chance to win, which I don't even
think they believe right now. Then Brosem's got to be
your backup QB. And I'd say that, whether it was
your guy Brozman or anybody else, why even suit him up?
Right That's where I think we'll also get a clue
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as to where he is.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Does that completely rule out that he would play Thursday
if he doesn't suit up?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I think it kind of does? I do, I really do?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
How many days do you have to practice if you
play Sunday, you travel have to travel Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Right, Yeah, day before the game.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
They barely that they exactly do the short weeks exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So that's why I think it would be surprising, very surprising.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Other than well, the other X factor is went Wentz
gets hurt, which he's he gets battered.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's very possible.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And then you got the delicious notion of Brozemer somehow
making himself, you know, getting himself in the mix as well.
This is too deep for me. This is from Ed
and Saint Paul's see if you've ever heard of this?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
All right?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
My question would be, if the McCarthy high ankle sprain
was so severe, why didn't he undergo the popular ankle
tightrope procedure, which is a minimally invasive surgical technique used
to repair a high ankle spray. Unlike traditional methods, this
procedure could offer a faster recovery time, with some athletes
returning to the sport in as little as four weeks.
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Do you know anything about the I don't think I've
heard of the ankle surgery seizure?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Or is he just playing with it? He might be.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
JJ seems though, to be one that would be interested
in alternative medicines. You think that alternative treatments and therapy.
But if it's as little as four weeks, then what
the hell's the difference? We were at the four week mark. Now, well,
I'll do that just to maybe get an extra week
or two. Well, maybe he's but he maybe he would
be farther along than he appears to be right now,
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because it doesn't now again, maybe he's going to hit.
Did they practice today, Yes, and in practicing they just
wrapped up. Has he been classified? Is he classified again
as limited? Wasn't he limited yesterday? Wasn't he defined as limited?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Am I wrong? No?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You are correct, he was limited yesterday. We don't have
the report today yet. We got it very late yesterday.
I thought it was after the top five A five
usually it's just before. So we'll see what they designate
him as now. But I do know everybody, all fifty
three were out on the field in some capacity today,
according to I think Seaffert tweeted that that everybody that's
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house to practice was practicing today in some capacity. What
I've seen so far, JJ McCarthy will be the Byron
Buxton of the Vikings, always injured. May have the talent,
but not big enough or solid enough to take that
kind of punishment.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's Kelly and Ramsey.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do you think koc is more frustrated because he's starting
to think JJ isn't who he thought he was.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I think it's too early for that. I do. I Look,
there are.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No guarantees on anybody, no matter how much I like
the QB, you like the QB, like the move, whatever.
But I think it's too early to say that. I
do think it's possible that when we look back on
this thing, is it going to be the kind of
thing where we say, well, you know, maybe he needs
to sit a much longer period of.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Time than we thought.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But even that is premature at this point, Dan, Why
don't they just come out and say, yeah, we know
who we want in there to start, we're just not
going to tell you. It would save so much time
and energy babbling about this over and over again.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Where are we here?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh, you're not gonna like this one? This is from
uh Mark in Lakeville. Dan, Maybe Sean Payton was right
after all, and he tricked us into taking McCarthy over
bow Nicks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh. Interesting, that's controversial, right. Interesting? Boonex has been pretty good,
not been.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I don't think he's been great, but he's been and
he and guess what he's got playing time?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Didn't he start a bunch of games last year? He
hadn't turn it over to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Him he did, and he was electric in that thirteen
eleven win over the Jets. Let's go to forty two, right,
We're all right, tom, So you know it was either
yesterday or the day before on the Paul Allen Project.
I think it's more more fashionably called nine to noon
these days. I still like the alliteration, so I go
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with the Paul Allen project. Your guy Nordo made the
key point on all of this. Much of it we've
discussed over a period of months, but he laid it
out very nicely and concisely. And what he harkened back
to is, well, here's the setup. PA had watched over
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period of games. Who's the new England Patriots starter? Now,
the guy we apparently coveted, And he said, you know,
every time I watch him, I wasn't all that impressed
with him. And then he saw I think it may
have been his most recent game or second to most
recent game, and he said, man, that guy looks good now,
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zipping the ball around, getting the ball out of his
hands accurate.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Looks like he's got some voltage to him. At which point.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Nardo said, here's the rub, as laid out nicely with
this comparison when, as it pertains to the Vikings, did
anybody though it was a coach last year who wanted
to try to save his job, Did anybody think the
New England Patriots were primed last year to do anything
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but try to start the rebuild right right? So May
could be thrown out there and every look, highly touted quarterback,
highly drafted quarterbacks, got pressure on him no matter what.
But there wasn't that much at stake other than the
coach's job for the New England Patriots. Just go play,
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go play, get some experience, because the team didn't spend
and didn't bill itself as we're going somewhere because frankly
they the year before hadn't been very good either. He
compared that and contrasted that with the ongoing central contradiction
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about the twenty twenty five Vikings. The moral of the
story on May is all that experience. Maybe it toughened
him up, got a better idea what this level was like,
and now he's starting to turn the corner. Okay, now
they look like a team that might make the playoffs
for goods. Yeah, three touchdowns this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Can the Vikings the unfairness for McCarthy, you could say, is.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
From the beginning of the season, you've wanted to throw
him into the deep end, in part because of circumstance.
You couldn't pay Darnold, you couldn't keep Daniel Jones, and
you love them, and he sat off last year, and
you think he's pretty damn good, but you're throwing him
in the deep end because, unlike Drake May a year ago,
something feels like is at stake this entire season. The
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Vikings were coming off fourteen and three. Maybe they weren't
as good as that record indicated, but it's a completely
different circumstance. So if let's just say, for the sake
of argument, that McCarthy's going to struggle as much as
Drake May did at times last year, simply because it's
part of the process, well, in effect, you're running the
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risk then of sacrificing this season, a season that you
build during the offseason as one where we feel like
we're reloading, right, we are not rebuilding. So I thought
it was a very good point. Yeah, by Nordo, playing
off of what Pia was saying about. He was raving
about how much better Drake May looks, and he did
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a year ago. It's it's if McCarthy needs that same
period of time, number of games, then it's going to
directly impact this team's chance to compete in any meaningful
way in twenty twenty five. Now, the comeback to that
could be, yeah, but we got better infrastructure around him.
You're supposed to than the Patriots did. At least we
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were supposed to. Some of that broke down. Some of
that broke down line. So that's that continues to be
why as much as people think we talk about this
whole thing too much, why it can't be talked about enough.
It's it's and you and I have talked about this,
whether it's fair or not. What has added pressure to
this situation is there are three quarterbacks being hailed as
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either playing great or redeeming themselves. And their names are Darnold,
Jones and Rogers. And we were in the mix. We
had two of them, and we obviously flirted in the
darkness retreat with the other one and ultimately said, no,
we're not going to mess with it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's too much trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Even though we try to tell people on this show,
the Viking should have plunged into the deep end for
Aaron Ryders. And the third one we think wanted to
come here is yeah, exactly it right, exactly. I heard
Drew Brees earlier this week, and this isn't what anybody
wants to hear either, and I don't even know if
it's true, but it was an interesting opinion. His theory
is that young quarterbacks he thinks need fifty high level
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games is what he called that. Think about it, and
that doesn't necessarily mean just in the pros, okay, but
he says because a lot of it's time now, guys
are playing for a year in college and then going right,
they're maybe sitting somewhere transferring, having a good year or two.
That's twenty right, twenty twenty five games, and then they
get to the pros.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So do the math.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You probably need another year and change at least to
get to where you want to go there, maybe two.
It's going to get harder to get there fast if
you can't be healthy enough to play right. But that
goes into that's why, man, it's that's what nobody would
want to hear that, because that's not what the Vikings
were banking on for this season. They weren't banking on
whatever they try to tell you now about it's his
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journey and he's early in it, which we're hearing now,
like again, it's early in the journey.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
He love the journey. The journey's great. I do love
the journey. It sounds better.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's better in college, to be honest, it sounds better
when it's Sam Darnold and his part of the journey
as opposed to where JJ is in his journey right now.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But that might be part of it too.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But you do look around and a lot of guys
have redeemed themselves and they all haven't been to the
KOC school. Like mac Jones had a moment or two
in San Francisco right he was he's played very well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
He was up and.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Down and he's standing mightily in New England in his journey. Yes,
and he just stood for a minute. Then he was
terrible and now he's pretty solid. But that's the problem
is you can't microwave that. And if you can't even
get out there to play, then it's even more so delayed,
you know what. I think also complicated things for the
Vikings and made it easier for McCarthy and the Vikings
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to say we can plug him in. There'll be some
you know, there'll be there'll be some hills and value.
We can plug him in. The number of young quarterbacks
from that same draft who excelled as quickly as you did. Right,
the Washington kid is a time in the list.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yep, Jaden would be number one. Nicks played reasonably well.
Who am I forgetting? Who else is in that draft?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'm gonna pull it up. I mean, Drake may again,
I think it was taken.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
It has taken his this season for him to seemingly
start to figure the thing out. Penix would have been won, right,
Panics would have been one, and again Pennix didn't play
till late, but then they thought they saw enough, obviously
in practice, to turn the whole thing up. They they
said goodbye to Kirk Cousins, the guy they just spent
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half a billion dollars on to to go there. So
I think there is some feeling of, well, yeah, there
you can if he if he's good enough, and again,
he still might be good enough. I mean, let's let's
be realistic. The first game I think he's likely to play,
if he's healthy enough to play, is that Lions game
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at Detroit and that's that's after the Thursday game where
we got some extra time right at Detroit.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's the game, is it not?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And if it's not, then then you really probably do
have a real situation where he's just not gonna, you know,
for whatever reason, be the guy. And two things can
alter this tomorrow, worsening injuries for Carson Wentz, who does
get hurt himself, and bad play. You know, we're he
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just regresses to what he has basically become classified as
pretty much a tournament quarterback, and it can change the
whole thing. The question then, is is McCarthy ready to
grab the reins at that point physically, let alone the
mental side of it and processing everything. And I mean,
you know, Chip brought up the same thing we did
about the you know, the low base, and I mean
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it talking when you when when a head coach starts
talking about a quarterback like he's got to strip him
down and start over exactly, that's just not a good
sign in the middle of a season.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No, I'm sorry, and I was. That was bothering me
so much.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Again yesterday we talked about it because think about all
the things that happen in what two point seven seconds
basically for an NFL quarterback to get the ball and
figure out where the hell to throw it. Like, you're
gonna tell me it's productive that Right now, on October fifteenth,
we're talking about base balance, body control, and Brozemer or
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whatever the hell the for it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
The PAFE might be broke.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He's dropping back, yeah, and he's having to think about
all that. Meanwhile, here comes Micah Parsons in a couple
of weeks Like that just doesn't it doesn't make sense.
We should be stripping all of that down right now.
We shouldn't be thinking about any of that right now. Base,
body position, and balance. Those are the three base for now,
body position and balance, and then the fourth could be
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is as we've we've talked about several times, the power
of completions compels you to not be afraid to throw
short passes. Yes, that's a big part of it as well.
So we'll I interpret as Brozemer by the way, the
ability to take the completion. That's all I'm going to say. Well,
you're on record consistently, you might as well play it
out now. He might as well go all the way
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with it. At this point, he could go in and
throw five picks. But I don't think no one's going
to remember that anyway. But if you're right, then then
you're going to be like, see he called it. You're
feeling it, aren't you? For this week?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, I will say I'm still bummed that Wentz went
back in the game in London. He went nine for nine. No,
he was great. It was good.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You're saying Brozman would have gone what ten for ten?
I'm just saying, it's set up so beautifully, Yeah it was.
It was set up so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's a lot, man to ask anybody, including your guy.
That's a lot. A lot we know, we'll never know.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
State of Hockey is starting to wonder if JJ was
actually a basketball player. Hockey guy's tough aout. That's true.
That might have been fallness. You butt guys are both morons.
You're comparing a guy who played two games to the
guys who played all last year. Well, yeah, you're you're
kind of missing the six point two guys.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
You're missing the point.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I was quoting Nordo as saying that because that quarterback
Drake May had all that time and struggled mightily last year,
to ask McCarthy this year on a team that seems
to be built for winning now, not rebuilding, but reloading.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's asking a lot. That's the point. If you missed it,
I can't There's nothing I can do for you. Man.
We are well aware that he's only played two.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But the whole point of the bit was it quoting
Drew Brees, quoting other people. It often does take time,
and you got to just sort of suffer the slings
and arrows. And unfortunately the team was built to not
want to have to suffer those slings and arrows in
twenty twenty five, so that would be the difference base,
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body balance, bust, Wolves and five. We'll come back and
what's next. Oh well, at the top of the hour,
doctor Dan's inbox, keep the text coming, or man jgcafe
dot com, We've got room.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Do you remember.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
The sale price at which Glenn Taylor sold the Minnesota
Timberwolves and the Minnesota Lynx grudgingly, as it turns out,
to Alex Rodriguez and Mark Laurie. Do you remember how
what that price was? It was one point five was
one point five billion? Very good, according to your guy Gleeman.
(36:29):
Sportico has released its annual NBA franchise valuations. Now, admittedly
this is an estimate, okay, but it's eye opening. I
hope they hide this from Glenn Taylor, to be honest
with you. Timberwolves are estimated to be worth four point
two billion. Wow, almost three billion more than he sold
(36:55):
them to a Rod and Lourie four. Now that was
three years ago. How long ago was that dealt about?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know, things a lot of inflation.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
But I think we have further evidence as to why
Taylor used every means at his disposal to try to
nullify the deal. Well, that does hurt even if you're
a billionaire, right and his other smaller partners, the limited partners.
If you're a Rod and Lorie, Are you kidding Typewer?
You have to I don't even think he'd be agnostic
(37:29):
when you get.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
That kind of return, that's for sure. Where were we?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Now, let's get to a couple of texts. This is
from nine to five to two Guy Vikes reloaded built
to win. Now you must think thirteen and four last
year meant a guaranteed playoff spotimore this year doesn't look
like it so far, And it's not just a quarterback issue. No,
what what I'm saying I think what we're both saying
is that's how the Vikings viewed this team. They viewed
(38:01):
it as not a rebuilding year, but a reloading year
that they could do on the fly with a quarterback
with zero National Football League playing experience. Now they may
have overstated it, they may have gotten ahead of their skis,
but doesn't really matter what we think. The point of
the story is that's what they thought, and that's sort
(38:24):
of set up the central contradiction to the season, which is,
are you expecting too much from a quarterback who, you know,
like a lot of them, might need some time to develop,
might make some mistakes from time to time. Thanks for
discussing team expectations, which has been a missing piece of
(38:45):
this whole McCarthy conversation.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Makes it clear to me that you.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Have to go back to JJ in the Detroit game
and for the rest of the season, for better or
for worse, we'll have I expectations next year, presume me
for the years to follow. Vikings knew they would have
to sacrifice the sea and for his development at some point,
and if not, then they are delusional. Well it's an
interesting point. Now, that's two games from now. Let's say
(39:10):
the Vikings lose them both. What are we now three
and two, so we'd be three and four going into
the Detroit game. Yes, that's still not buried enough, I
think to give up on the season the way teams
think and the way coaches no think.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But you have a couple of home games exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And again, but again, if it probably becomes a no
brainer if Wentz regresses right or if he is a
big part of the reason they lose both of them.
You know where the defense actually plays reasonably play and
you usally got nothing going offensively. So but I agree
with most of the Jackals who cover this team in
(39:48):
the daily basis that in all honesty, there are two
more games to play with here without it having to
turn into from a team standpoint, a boiling controversy. And
then at that that point, then you got then you
have something to discuss with a Detroit game, right, because
presumably there's at two more weeks, three more weeks that
he's got that much more time to heal.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So we'll have to see where it goes, you know
what I'd like to see?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, And I'm sure somebody can do this pretty easily,
someone better at photoshop than I am. I'd love a
side by side picture of Kevin O'Connell. Remember after the
Vikings beat the Packers and Darnold was brilliant to set
up the game against the Lions for the division for
the number one seat.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Remember when the.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Water was getting thrown on, Oh yeah, and Chaos was
kind of looking back at somebody with that like proud face,
like can you believe this?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Can you believe the culture shield?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Like his face, just that KOs face has burned into
my brain, as does Darnald looked like he was, you know,
just beaming like there's a twelve year old being padded
on the head. I want to see that face juxtaposed
to the face we saw yesterday when he was at
which quarterback was going to be on the practice field
or what the quarterbacks? Where the quarterback situation stood. So
(41:06):
I feel like it's almost like he's been president for
eight years, how much he's aged from the happy koc
Can you believe that everything we do just turns into
gold to this one now less than what what is
this nine months later? Can you argue this is actually
more real? I mean that this feels like, yeah, he's
worn down by it. For god, Yeah, you know. I
(41:27):
don't know, but you're right. It's a completely it's a
completely different It's the contrast could not be any more
stark than it is now. Again, let's be honest about this.
Vikings host the Eagles on Sunday. They go out there
and they blow the doors off the Eagles or they
just beat them. Yeah, but especially if they dominate, are
(41:48):
impressive everybody, you know, it'll relax everything pretty quickly, no
matter who is a quarterback, for God's sake, whether it's
your guy, whether it's JJ or pastronaut. Oh I think
I don't think we can get him back. No, No,
where is Pastorn? Is he still in San fran as
a third stringer?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Or is he out? I actually no, idea. Didn't we
play a team that had him? I thought we did.
I don't remember. We might have.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm not I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, I feel real
sorry for Glenn Taylor. Let's start to go fund of
me drive. You knew that was counting, of course, and
yeah it's stupid, but no, it's but it's imagine could
have had multiple more billions, yes, billions, and it's a
massive change. He's good, he's fine, Yeah, he's yeah, but
I just think his ego and his pride. He's not
(42:37):
gonna have to eat at Arby's no, which, by the way,
him and Swiss Lucky and the potato cakes. I'd be
fine if I was a billionaire. That's probably where i'd
eat me too, every day. Yep, I don't care large
cherry coke curly fries have gone downhills a little bit.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I've noticed him.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But anyway, Yeah, I'm with you. Well, I well, I'm
potato cake guy. They back again or I haven't been
back in a while. I haven't been back in a
while either, or fourth on those. But that's where you
still have Like the last big business deal of a
legendary career is going to be that one for Glenn Taylor,
where he left at least two maybe three billion on
the table.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
That's not gonna sit well, No, it's not. No, I
wouldn't sit well with anybody.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I mean again, he's.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Fine, But it's an interesting story.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
And we knew that. We kind of knew it all along.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah that people kept saying, man, that's that price probably
is part of what's bugging him right now and his partners. Yes,
that's very true. I mean that is a lot realer
than his and I really believe that was part of
what made him say, well, if I can find a
way to get out of this thing, I'm gonna go
ahead and get out of that. In the fact that
the team was better, obviously that he you know, he
(43:44):
had suffered through a lot of stuff as well there,
So it's a combination of both those things.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
All right, here's what we got the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
We've got Alec Lewis at four forty seven on the Vikings,
and we have Lavelle moved up a day. He is
at five point thirty today because as we're out early
at five o'clock and we want to find time for him.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
He did. Lavelle did text us the surgery. This was it.
Tightrope surgery for exists.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
He writes, I've never covered anyone who has had it,
so I don't know. Maybe that means it's controversial, maybe
it's experimental.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I've never even heard of the term. I have never
heard of.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
It's kind of interesting, and he covered the twins in
that clubhouse, so it must make a think about it.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, or we maybe we should have used it more
often than we did.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Possibly too, we may look back on this and say,
you know, if we had just committed McCarthy to the
tightrope surgery, we'd be on our way to the NFC
North title. Think about it, back with the inbox that's
next year in the fan
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