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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Jesus your when does Justin Jefferson ask for his unconditional release.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Two minutes thirty seconds past the hour, three o'clock Central
Standard Time, Welcome back, Monday edition, Bumper to Bumper program
on a calm after the snow nami Monday afternoon here
in the Twin Cities that we effectually refer to as
Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero. I
am the host of the program. And lookye here, look

(00:44):
who is back. It's our guy Guardsy back once again.
Did you chuge me recognize the place at this point?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Well, you never forget the iHeart Radio red, the color
that's just plastered all over our walls. So it's like
coming home again when you see that iHeart read you
know where you are? So yes, key card work that
was good, had a parking spot that was fine, and
doesn't time like I missed a lot when it comes

(01:13):
to Vikings football except debacles and disasters.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
A lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Debacles, a lot of disasters, and a lot of difficulties.
We're going to try to cover almost all of it
while at the same time, I'm trying to get myself
logged in with this new so we have a new
text line. Now you don't even want it's the same
text line. But the security apparently has been an issue. Interesting,

(01:36):
and so i'm each time now you have to type
in a verification code sent to your email. That's a
little tricky. Which is tricky verify. It actually worked this time.
Yesterday did not even work. But the good news is
it looks like it's up and going, and people are
not surprisingly already chiming in via six four six eighty six,

(01:59):
the bratch on Bryant k FA and text line. It
has already begun. I think this is the first day
I noticed nationally the itch being scratched, and that was

(02:23):
the Vikings left with no choice but to trade away
Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Happened fast. It was it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
And once it's it's one of those deals nationally, because
they all steal from one another once the genie is
out of the bottle, especially if the Vikings keep losing,
and if the Vikings keep getting shut out, and Justin
Jefferson keeps having games in which he catches two passes
was it two passes for four yards. It was one
of our Vikings talking points, it is two catches for

(02:54):
four yards that it will be an out of control,
impossible to stop viral movement the old because especially when
a really good player is in flyover country, there's this

(03:14):
arrogance that, well, he's being wasted there. We've got to
get him to a much better place, and presumably that's
often a much bigger city where he'll have a chance
to thrive and the whole country will get a chance
to enjoy him in a way that they're not going
to enjoy him because the Vikings are not going to
have any games flexed the fan has learned. The rest

(03:35):
of the two thousand and twenty five season, it was.
It was as bad as I'll back up and say this.
I think I have a fairly vivid imagination, and I
certainly am capable of projecting negativity, but not in my

(04:00):
wildest dreams.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'll also grant I didn't necessarily expect that he would
throw for four hundred and fifty six yards like mooch'llah
what Mooch said, kind of tongue in cheek, and I
had said via Twitter that you took the over or
we'll probably take the over on that. I'm not saying
I expected that, but I will flat out and tell
you I did not expect it to be as deplorable

(04:24):
offensively as it was virtually from start to finish. We're
in territory now that what we have talked about this,
I mean, you don't want to just be just mediocre.
You want to be really, really, really hideous. As for example,

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the Twins have from time to time been able to
to sort of go that particular route.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
We know it's not good baseball.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
The stat that the analytics people all love and that
even the inkstained wretches and the media jackals quote is
something called DVOA. Do you know what DVA stands for?
Because I don't. I just know it's fancy.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm sure Alec Lewis and Ben Goessling have told us before.
I'm sure Seffert has as well. I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Here's another way to I think confirm what I believe.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
See part of me says, well, if you've watched the games,
you don't need any analytic confirmation of how historically hideous
this offense has been. And now two of their quarterbacks
have been including your guy yesterday.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, mister Brosmer.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Defense adjusted value over average, Thank you, a measure's team
and player efficiency on a play by play basis.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
So.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Now, according to the experts, this season alone the Viking,
and this, by the way, goes back as far as
nineteen hundred and seventy eight, So that's twenty two plus
twenty five, almost fifty years.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
This season and alone.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
By Dvoa, your favorite football team, has had two of
their nine worst offensive performances by that particular steat. You
want to guess If you don't know this, you haven't
cheated and heard it already. You want to guess. So,
by the way, for the record, one of those was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And Seattle makes sense. I well, it was the other
that this year.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Two of our worst nine in the last fifty years
have both taken place analytically this season.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You want to, you want to? You care to guess
what the other one was this season?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Was it the Chargers Thursday night game? No, which would
be a good guess. Was it not? It's the Pittsburgh game? No,
it was not. Was it the Falcons game? Falcons game?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Second game of the year, right, second game of the
year with New Father JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
So what week is this thirteen? Yes, so this is
the DVOA on this game. Yesterday's game was the worst
in the last fifty years for the Minnesota Vikings. Offensively right,
many of us are frustrated with no certainly are the

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second worst DVOA in the last fifty years in Vikings history.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And this is the.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Old timers will appreciate this as another confirmation of just
how bad this is. Number two on the list in
the last fifty years, the last stecl year Game one,
nineteen and eighty four, the infamous Less Stuckel here, and
here's what's scary again.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I don't under I don't I'm not good at math.
I've proven that neither of you correct. But the DVOA.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
For this game was it's listed as minus ninety six
point eight. That's actually twenty eight points worse than what's
number two for the.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Vikings the last fifty years.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's Steckel game Week one of the season against the
San Diego Chargers, and by the way, on that occasion
they scored thirteen points. But if the DA matters, the
idea that this was thirty percentage points worse than that,
one kind of tells you all you need to know,
does it not? So we're in. Yeah, we're in. I

(08:25):
have to add this though, there's a lot of today
so far to me, has been it's a post mortem day, obviously,
but it's also a day where KOC is getting some
credit for after today, especially during today's presser, full transparency
and full pelfdom that he has awarded himself a full

(08:46):
pelf in taking accountability, especially regarding the the hideous fourth
and one call, which will be one of our talking points.
That that appears a couple times. It does appear a
couple times today. You're exactly right, but I'm here to
tell you that it means nothing to me.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Let me make this as clear as I can.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
I don't believe Kevin O'Connell has learned anything.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
We've been here to varying degrees too many times before.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Again, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's his fault that he's had to work with as
many unprepared to play at the professional level quarterbacks the
last few years, whether it's because of injury.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
What year did we have pastor not? Did that two
years ago?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
That was a couple of years ago when Cousins got
hurt or in this case, you know young quarterbacks who
just aren't ready for the bit, whatever it is. I'm
not going to blame him for that, but I am
going to blame him for, quite frankly, never being able
to accept the limitations that those quarterbacks represent, and that

(10:00):
should from the beginning change everything about the way he
does his business. Here's the quote, Kevin severert is going
to join us tomorrow. Had that to me, says it all.
The biggest thing is what you're seeing coverage wise. It

(10:20):
needs to take a back seat to what is the
best thing for our offense in that moment. If I'm
in full transparency of that, things that I may see
chances to maybe get an in cut screaming or high
crosses running or vertical chances that have kind of always
gave us the lift in games. That sounds really transparent,

(10:44):
and I'm gonna look in the mirror where you go, Hey,
But shouldn't he have figured that out a long time ago?
To varying degrees depending on who the quarterback was. That's
why I still don't believe him. I don't think he
can help himself. He needs to go to passing rehab

(11:05):
where all coaches who simply want to look pretty need
to go at some point to be I think, broken down,
to be built back up. One of the guys who
could teach him happens to be the head coach for
the Chicago Bears right now, Ben Johnson.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
But I digress.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Because it's being hailed as finally gets it, he finally
gets it. Right, you're gonna tell me, in all seriousness
that you get so aroused and so lost in that
coverage screams for that play. I don't care what the
circumstances of my team are. I don't care who the
quarterback is. I'm going to roll his ass out. And

(11:49):
I think you and I'll both agree you're a brose morobo.
I am too, not as on your level, but I
wouldn't say rolling him out as a pro is necessarily
gonna be bread and butter if Max Brozemer ever becomes
a legitimate starting NFL quarterback. So you're gonna tell me
that because I cut that's what I have to do.

(12:09):
So it doesn't matter what the condition, the delegate condition
of your team, the circumstances in the game, by the
way in which your defense is playing very well, the
fact that you do have two legitimate running backs, youn
if they have been running great in this particular game,
and a quarterback who's.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Just playing his first game ever. That matters at this level.
But it was streaming. It was streaming at me. This
has has to be the play.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
If he didn't already know that before the game began,
he's not gonna figure it out now.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
It's too late, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
It is, And it's amazing to watch him do it
again with another guy and Brozemer. As you know, I
love Brozemer, so I can see why he would lose
himself in Brozemer's eyes during the week.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yes, they well that was enough here.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Do you see the other disc the the what's the
opposite of doing somebody a favor?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Is it doing service or just favor?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Did you hear it in the broadcast because they said
it a couple of times word on the street. What
we're hearing from the Vikings coaches the ball with Brozemur
never touched the ground and practice all week.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Stop saying crap like that. It does nothing. It means now,
because we heard a lot of the same stuff about
j J. We heard about every NFL hear exactly right.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
The NFL, you're not helping your quarterbacks cause building him up,
fluffing him up to that level.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's just it just doesn't work. But go ahead, do
you want to pause?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I probably should have a guest at three thirty.
His name is not Adam Feeling.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
We're gonna get you more on that in a minute.
We'll give you the rest of the guest lineup. We've
got Vikings talking points to get to and when we return,
it's inevitable. We might as well get it out of
the way now the curse continues.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, I think most of you know that Adam Thielen
has been released by the Minnesota Vikings. He apparently asked
for his release a week ago. He's been granted that,
and he has let He has of course issued a
statement via his x account with.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
What you would expect.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Disappointed the way it finished second time around, right, sure,
thanking everybody for the opportunity, et cetera. And the idea
here is he's going to try to latch on someplace
where he might have a chance to play.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I mean, Carolina is obviously one of the better bounce
back stories this year. I have no idea if they
might be looking for another wide receiver that has some
experience it's there and some traction there. I'm not sure,
but obviously he ordinarily would be with us at three thirty,
as he's been all year now. Guards he did reach
out to him to text him to offer up obviously

(15:12):
anytime he wants to come on with us as as
an exit interview. So far, I don't think he's responded,
but if he does and we get him later or
a different day, we will of course to do it.
We've enjoyed having him on. We appreciate the effort that
he has made. It is sadly undeniable that there seems
to be a bit of a bumper to bumper curse

(15:33):
related to Viking's regular guests excuse me, over the years
on this program and a number of people. The good
thing is we never have to worry about being the
ones to say it. The listeners they catch up on
this their way ahead of us immediately, almost immediately, and
there dump it on it. Yeah, they were naming people

(15:54):
I'd forgotten we had on.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
And so the lists go.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I mean, I don't have it sequentially but Jordan Hicks
is one, right, Yeah, yep, our guy cam Beezy Yeah,
cam buying him is another. Adam Feeling is another. The
latest Patrick Peterson. We're still waiting for that exit which
he promised us, but it hasn't had.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Now he's on.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
He's on serious ExM a lot he should be. He
was tremendous, very good and well.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
We made him. We made him. No one ever thought
of him as a good talker. Who was on the
show You're fourteen in the NFL they finally realized.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Who else is on the list who have basically either
been fired or not re signed. I guess for including coaches,
it has to be Mike Zimmer, Yeah, Leslie Fraser and
uh who was the assistant coach we had on for
and great it's a tremendous guess is that seven?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It is?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Can you take credit for twice? That was before my time?
Now he had a pretty good run. He did have
a pretty Zimmer by the way. Yeah, in fairness, we
have to factor that in. All had coaches fired, So
I don't know if we can be held responsible for
the curse, but the head coach after the head coach stuff,
because we did we used to have all of them.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
He had Tice, then we had Zimmer.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
I don't know if we did Childress. I don't think
you did. Child No, we did not have a yeah
with Childress at all. But at any point, well, the
only time was when we were trying to get far
and he came out to Maynards in the first summer
that we had and he came out, had a couple
of beers, just living his best life, trying to get
Brett Fahr.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
We didn't get him that year. He came the next year.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
But so after the head coaches, everybody that you just mentioned,
it has not been good.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I forgot about Hicksys was great, very good. Yeah, they
were all outstanding. So I mentioned to the program director,
Chad Abbott that if Justin Jefferson raises his hand to
be a regular the rest of this year, that should
be alarm bellish to the vikings Ords an organization. It

(17:52):
might well meet, well else goes maybe I can go next.
I don't exactly know. So my guess is we're not
going to have a regular the rest of the way.
There's only five games left anyway, true, Yeah, and everybody,
I mean, the the snarky gallows humor. It's it's on
via the end of the text line, can you get
koc as your next game?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh? Turning on him?

Speaker 4 (18:16):
That was he last year coach of the year. I
think he was where do we where does case Keenum
factor in? Because he became all a de facto regular
guest that season and he started doing it out of
habiting good luck. Yes, he kept wanting to do it
and we said are you sure, and they said, he
thinks it's he's got a routine.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
He's one of these guys. He likes doing it. Well,
can we really.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Be held responsible for the fact that they chose not
to bring him back because he was ready to come back?

Speaker 4 (18:44):
He wasn't and Denver got him paid. He still he's
playing for your bears now, isn't he.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, he's the hidden factor everybody used to think and
making it seem it's Ben Johnson. Maybe it's the case
Keenum factor on.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
The he's got I mean, just you know.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
He's got that extra thing going now as a starter.
It didn't work, obviously, we're when you left here, but
it's it's worked every place, just ty train.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Are we forgetting about him?

Speaker 4 (19:07):
We had him and then Dalvin Cook kind of flip
plots he had cooked for a year or two.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, in a sense, isn't this just about we've
been on the year a long time. I mean, players
do come and go. I'm not sure we can be
held responsible for all of those comings and going at
this rate though, Like they're here for like a year
and then they're gone. Tay Train was here for a
little while, Dalvin Cook obviously was here for a while,
but it seems like it's accelerated the last handful of years.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Six one two six one two. Guy rights. The only
one who stayed is Mike Conley and his roles reduced.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Although he had a he had a massive three to
save their asses. Great, they were gonna employ they were
gonna blow another game.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I know. Then he hit a three. It changed everything
in the corner.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I think we're gonna have him this week week because
it's a Conley week. Have you seen the video of that? Though?
You have to ask him about this because it is funny. Somebody,
I think Michael Grady put it on Instagram. He hits
the three and then, as somebody commented, does like thirteen
consecutive different handshakes with every guy on the team.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Seriously, he's got a different.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Handshake with each guy, with every.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
It would be funny to know how long that actually
took to develop. And he just it's like he knows
all of them like the back of his hand. No
pun intendant. It's hilarious to watch. But yeah, we hopefully
will have him, and hopefully he's got another few years.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Like other people are hoping, we can alternate the rest
of this season between JJ McCarthy and koc. It's just
I was really hoping viciousness.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
If Brozemer had played a little better, or you know,
a lot better, and all of a sudden got the job,
we probably could have had Brozemer on weekly. To the point,
I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't think he's
going to get the ball again.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
For a while now.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's the head coach said as much today that JJ
Simptoj's symptom free and he will be the starting quarterback
for better.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I wonder if he kill the injury.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's true, maybe you have a third top bottom ten
A games before this season's done. I rule nothing out
who we play next, Washington, Washington. I don't know much
about their defense to be honest with you, but we'll
find out. Uh So, Adam Thielen is welcome anytime, but
he's not going to join us next.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
We don't think Johnny Athletic is scheduled. Next.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Ben Lieber will join at his usual time four forty seven,
and we have a plethora of vikings talking points, and
of course it will be a major part of today's conversation.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
So stay with us. I'll be back in just a
couple of minutes.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Right here in the family, it's time Tony, Tony, donnyhead.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I didn't talking about right now.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
It is indeed that time again. Well you say hi
to Johnny real quick, will you?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Well?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Can you actually pot him up?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Because I forgot the phones a little bit too far
away from my location and now we're starting. I want
to look something up here as we say hi to
John Athletic here early. I should have been better prepared
for this segment, but you know these things, that's how
they happen. Sometimes the best way to look at it,

(22:10):
all right, I'm going to the Athletic website. Are you
familiar with the Athletic website? Cards I read it to
this morning. I love that website.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
You enjoy it. I have multiple subscriptions still do, don't you.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I'm scrolling down. It might be hard to find see
if I can find the well here it is.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So you know, one of the things I think everybody
in the Twin Cities looks forward to is the back
and forth conversation that takes place every Friday between Alec
Lewis and Joy Athletic where they kind of, you know,
they kind of chew the fat on the Vikings next matchup.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
What a pair.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'd love to see a video of that's They're very,
very abed and Costello like, and damn it, I can't
even rip them.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I went.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I just scrolled down to the prediction segment part and
I wanted to. I think that Johnny had the Vikings
making the game close, but he's smarter than I am,
because I did think the Vikings would beat the spread.
I continue to have the worst season I've ever had.
In our prediction segment, Johnny had the Seahawks winning by
thirteen uh and Alex Lewis had the Seahawks winning thirty

(23:20):
one to thirteen. You had a twenty seven to fourteen,
But Johnny, I don't know if I can even give
you credit.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
For it, because even as you make the prediction, look
at the way.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You say it barring an unexpectedly sharp performance from Brozemer
against the top flight defense. So you're hedge in your bed,
you know, I mean so, yeah, well at that date,
were you then if it was a close game, say well,
I did mention if Brosmer's top notch, then it'll be
a close game.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
No, I mean, the score is the score. I think
that does the talking for me. And what I was
trying to say there was that I don't foresee Brosmer coming,
you know, to the rescue with some sort of unexpectedly
sharp performance. But I just I was trying to think
of scenarios that could produce a compelling game, you know,

(24:11):
a closer than expected game, and there just wasn't any
other than Rosemer pulling the rabbit out of the hate.
I just didn't see that happening. So that's why I
settled on the score that I did. I feel pretty
good about the prediction I should have gotten. I probably
should have gotten farther. Alex Alex Lewis went a little
further than I did, but yeah, it was it was
just really hard for me to see anything play out that,

(24:33):
you know, I didn't expect to be that embarrassing, but
I was expecting a pretty thorough whipping by the Seahawks
to your favorite ball.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I guess the mystery would be how either one of
you thought that the Vikings would score in double dishes
in the basis of what we saw.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I mentioned earlier that.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I am not quite as religious on Max Brosmer as
the producer of this program, but I do.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I have liked him all along, and I said Sunday
I had.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I have a pretty vivid imagination when it comes to negativity,
as you know, but I can't say I saw that coming.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I honestly didn't.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I thought I didn't think it was going to be great,
but I thought, you know, it's not going to be
as bad as it was the week before, maybe even
even the last several weeks with JJ McCarthy. I honestly thought,
even under those conditions that you know, he'll probably be,
if not borderline serviceable, a little less than that. So
I can't say I saw it coming to that degree,

(25:35):
because again, it can't really whether it's eye test or
all the analytic numbers, it really can't be much worse
than it was for the Vikings offense and their starting
quarterback on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, I mean, if you do want to rip me,
which I know that you like to do, I mean
I was on your program last week, and I believe
my quote was don't I don't see how it can
be worse than it has been with JJ McCarthy, because
McCarthy was historically bad through this, through his six starts
in this in his first season here, and literally, you know,

(26:16):
eight hundred and some quarterbacks ahead of him on all
these different analytic charts and things like that. So that's
why I did kind of give the Vikings fourteen points.
Was I did think that Max Rosmer was going to
come in at least be not ridiculously bad, and he
was ridiculously bad. And I mean that is kind of

(26:36):
where you know, all all of the calls for koc
you know earlier at different parts saying you'd get Broemer
in McCarthy can't do it, well, maybe Max Rozemer couldn't
do it either, And I mean there was just nothing
there at all from Rozemer, nothing from the offensive line,
Addison's dropping passes, all of those things. But but Max

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Rosmer was worse than Ajan McCarthy, and I just didn't
think that was possible. No, it was.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
And you know, the.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Play call, the fourth and one call has been dissected
a lot and will be one of our vikings talking
points today. But if your whole calling, whole calling card
as an option is may not have great physical tools,
you know, may not have you know, on the if
I at the combine, I'm not going to wow anybody
with any of the test scores, but I am is

(27:28):
really smart and really calm and really composed. Well, that's
clearly not the case because at least in that moment,
because if he is all of that, or was all
of that, you take the sack, right, you absolutely take
the sack.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
You don't do kind of and this is a dated.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Reference that only the old people will know, a garrow
your premium sort of approach where you're kind of trying
to hold onto the ball and then flip it and
move it around or whatever the case.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Maybe that ended up in the pick six.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
That to me was as much an indictment of him
regarding what we all thought were his strengths as the
play call itself, which was indefensible.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, it was just a mind numbing brain fart of
a play from Max Brosmer. And it just like, as
I was watching the whole game unfold and that play
in particular as well, I was thinking back and just
very quickly, I don't know, maybe seven eight years ago,
the Timberwolves played the Memphis Grizzlies in the preseason and

(28:33):
Karl Anthony Towns absolutely worked Mark Gasol up and down
the court, just destroyed him. And I'm like, hey, man,
Marcus Fols cooked like this is over for him. And
I think he won Defensive Player of the Year that year.
And that's to say, like the preseason or NFL, NBA,
whatever is such a different world from the regular season.

(28:55):
It's almost not even worth comparing it. I mean, you
know what the defense that Max Rosmer saw was nowhere
was on another planet from what he was seeing in
the preseason. When you said, hey, this guy's throwing with anticipation,
he looks calm in the pocket, things are going on. Well,
when you get into the regular season, it's a whole

(29:15):
different animal, man. And I think that I think that
mister Brosmer discovered that in Seattle on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
There's no question about that.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
This came in from Todd JJ's overthrow airmail Brosmer's overblown
fairy tale Kao ces Turkey, Jive Cocktail.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Wolves and five.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Give Cocktails.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
That's about as an apt a description, uh, to some
of the things he had to say again today.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
And I think my guess is you fell for it.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
You guys swoon over his alleged transparency and accountability and
and and kind of going pelf on the bit like
it's my bad on the on the fourth and one.
He hasn't learned the idea that now he's learned something
that he didn't know already. I just don't believe, because
we've been here to varying degrees before a bunch of times, Johnny,

(30:12):
and I just don't think he's got it in him.
I think he's always going to be that guy who
wants to airmail the ball. He's proven it over and
over again. Forget these quarterbacks. He did it when Pastronaut
was his quarterback. He tried to call a game like
he had Peyton Manning in his prime.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
And it just I don't. I think it's a blind
spot that he's never gonna get over. I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't think there's any reason I don't trust him
on this anymore now than I ever have, because I
feel like, again to varying degrees, he's allegedly had these
PELF moments and said, now I get it. Now, I
got to worry less about what the tape shows about, well,
this should be open on this play, and I have
to worry more about was my team or my quarterback
capable of making those kinds of plays under theseircumstances. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I think that it's just in his nature, in his
DNA as a coach, as a play caller, as everything.
He wants to flex on the opponent. He wants to
show how creative he is. He wants to show how
much he's been scouting the defense and these elaborate plays

(31:23):
and these exotic trick plays and doing the thing that
you don't think he's going to do on third and one,
fourth and one, those types of things. That's very much
part of the Kevin O'Connell ethos, and it has bitten
him over and over again, especially when he is seemingly

(31:44):
not really recognizing that all of this imagination that he
has is the players that he has in place are
incapable of executing that, and to me, that is job
number one of a head coach is to understand your personnel,
their limitations, their strengths, all of the above, and then

(32:08):
coach to that. You cannot be dogmatic toward a system
if your system is too complicated for the very very
very young quarterbacks you are putting out there. And and today,
you know kind of what he said, like he had
no other choice, Dan, if he got up there and
said nope, this is the right thing to do, like

(32:29):
it would have it just really would have gone poorly
coming off such an embarrassing performance. But the actions have
to now back up those times because he's got to
understand that he is working with a remedial offense right now,
not a college placement ap offense, and he's got to

(32:50):
he's got to tailor his approach and his game plan
for that.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know, you know the way how this the system
works in not just a national football league, but in
any sport. If the team is enjoying a successful stretch,
or he has a good record or is having a
great season, it's much easier to sort of minimize our
gloss over or put off for a moment or two

(33:16):
some of the nagging concerns long term that still exists,
right because you're going, well, look at the record. I
mean they're finding a way to arise above whatever those
concerns are that you or I might have. On the
other hand, when it goes the way it has for
the Vikings this year, what are we sitting at now
four and eight, all of those same nagging concerns become

(33:38):
dominant in the conversation. Example, it's item number one from
Mark Craigs.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
What does he call it? His top five?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
His five extra points? Regarding the Vikings general manager, he
lays out that sustained success isn't possible when your GM
gets lapped by his peers annually in the drest. Throwing
three hundred million dollars of other team's aging free agents
can't replace building course, starters and quality depth among players

(34:07):
entering their prime at three to five years or generally,
as he writes, ages twenty three to twenty six. Vikings
have four players four on their roster who were drafted
three to five years ago, one from the last year
under Rick Spielman and three from the first two years
under Quazy. Two irregular starters darrisaw and Jared and Jordan Addison.

(34:29):
As for the rest of the NFC North, the Packers
have eighteen players and twelve starters who they drafted from
twenty twenty one to twenty three. The Lions have thirteen
players and eleven starters, and the Bears have six players
and five starters. Obviously not sustainable. And if you're the Wilfs,

(34:50):
you're going hold on a second. You told me we're
going to payper over all this stuff if we kept
opening our wallets to let you make these big free
agency signings and ain't getting papered.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Over as well or at all. And the tickets now
coming new.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Because each year that goes by without us getting this
homegrown talent the way the other teams do is another year.
Ultimately it's going to catch up with us and the
chickens are going to come home to roost.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, I think it's a double edged sword right now
for Coisia Doolpamenta. And when you look at the job
and valuate the job that he's done, because number one,
you're right, like if you are going to miss on
draft picks, you don't want to miss on draft picks.
But if you are going to you better hit in

(35:36):
free agency now they hit two years ago with cash
Man with those guys and made those signings of like, okay,
this is good and that buys you a little time.
They have not hit this year and you and when
you don't hit in free agency, it's almost a double
miss because of all the money you're out laying and
you're getting guys come in who are underperforming, like most

(35:59):
of the free agent signings that they that they made
this year with Kelly getting hurt and Fryes just being okay,
and Jonathan Allen hargraves like you know what, what do
you do with them? And so you have that problem.
The second problem, and I think the much bigger thing
to discuss here is that right now, as it stands,

(36:20):
with where the Vikings are at, with you know, a
relatively starless defense, with an offense that doesn't have a
quarterback and with many questions on the offensive line and
all over the place, it is ripe for a rebuild,
right for kind of trying to get younger, tear it down,

(36:41):
start over. Maybe in a year or two you get
back into it, especially with where the Lions and the
Packers and the Bears are all at in this division.
But do you trust quasi adelpha mensa to do that
rebuild because he's missed so many times in the draft,
and that is where a rebuild has to start and
has to sustain. So there are some very very difficult

(37:03):
questions that are going to be asked here down the
stretch about not only what the Vikings do for the
next six weeks, but what they do for the next
two years, and what is their plan to dig out
of this massive hole that they seem to be in
in this division.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
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I'd not heard whether any of the local Jackals had
responded to this or had an opinion or a thought

(37:40):
on it, but apparently one of the tweeters had tweeted
at me in the morning that Teddy Bruski familiar with
him an NFL countdown, I am yeah, he suggesting that
he suggested Kevin O'Connell has done with JJ, that public
dissection of fundamentals with JJ insinuates the kid can't do it,
and that KAOC wanted to keep Sam Darnald. Now the

(38:05):
last part is what intrigued me the most because I
and again it's all after the fact. At this point,
I know there was disagreement in the building on what
to do there, how far to go to try to
satisfy Darnald with Obviously you know you got your your
your quarterback in waiting, but it's very difficult for me
to believe that in this organization right now, KOC doesn't

(38:28):
get what KOC wants. So you tell me, though, had
you heard anything like what Bruski had said, making it
sound like that that if it was up to Koc,
they would have found some way, somehow to keep Donald,
even if it meant slowing the clock or even you know,
not being able to start the clock on JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I So, I personally have not heard that directly or
that overtly, But what I can say is that throughout
the off season, in both with Sam Darnold and then
also especially with Aaron Rodgers and the purported dalliance or
at least consideration that the Vikings were giving to Aaron Rodgers,

(39:13):
all of that indicated and the Athletic reported this at
the time, and was you know, Viking fans did not
want to hear it. But there was real interest and
real discussion about Aaron Rodgers because there was some concern,
in part because there's some concern that maybe JJ McCarthy

(39:34):
wasn't quite ready yet, missed the year really young, didn't
have a lot of starts under his spell at Michigan, Like,
there was a lot of questioning about whether McCarthy was
truly ready for this, and Vikings fans didn't want to
hear that. Some Viking fanboys on Twitter didn't want to
hear that. But that's that's the reality of the situation

(39:55):
inside that building. And so the question or the thing
that's going to be difficult now as this thing really
crumbles is there's probably going to be some revisionist history
as this thing really falls apart, if it does continue
to fall apart, if McCarthy does really continue to struggle,
and there will be people that maybe change their tune

(40:18):
a little bit of like, yeah, I always wanted Darnold right,
or you know, we should have done this and absolutely right,
and this guy made the wrong decision, and fingers will
be starting to point and it will be messy behind
the scenes, assuming that the embarrassments keep coming and that
you know, maybe the hammer starts to fall on some people.

(40:38):
So I would just be a little reluctant to take
anything at really face value right now given this. But
we did report this last summer before all this really
did start to fall apart, that there were at least
some question marks about it, and and those were those
were in the building and divisions in the building as well.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
One wolves question today and next time we'll probably go
a little bit more in depth because there's going to
be only so much to I think assessed regarding the
vikings moving forward the rest of what is now pretty
much a lame duck kind of a season. You wrote
a lengthy piece just within the last week or two
basically saying, boys and girls, Anthony Edwards is the point

(41:18):
guard of this team. So the question on the table
for me is do you believe they've gone that route
because they want to in their heart of hearts, or
do you believe among the available options right now, they
view it as the best one.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, I think it's more of necessity, Dann, because I
don't think that in Chris Pinch's perfect world. I think
that and is a little more off the ball there
isn't so much on his shoulders from a quarterbacking, scoring
decision making, you know, keep your turnovers down all that aspect,

(41:56):
especially with what you're asking for him on defense. But
with Rob Dillingham not really developing as quickly as as
some people hoped, with Mike Conley showing his age in
some respects, they have gone to this heliocentric offense because
it gives them their best chance. Now, there's also some
variants that they invite with that because Ant is still

(42:19):
learning this part of it. It is a new role.
There are going to be games where he does it really,
really effectively and they play really well, and then they're
going to be games where he struggles. Just yesterday, he
had six turnovers in the first like in the first
half and it wasn't going well. And then Finchy turns
to a lineup without Rudy and without Ants to start

(42:40):
the fourth quarter and they're moving the ball and it's wonderful.
So there are growing pains with this right now, but
I think there will stick with it because there's not
a great long term option in house right now for them.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Otherwise, Yeah, it was, it was.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
It probably was their best victory of the season, and frankly,
the way they played defense first half, I didn't see
it coming.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
You know, it was to me.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I mean the point totals that I feel like san
Antonio Davey was approaching fifty points, like with nine minutes
to go, sixty points like nine minutes to go in
the second quarter, something that ridiculous. And then the rest
of the game was a completely different story. So when
we have more time, we'll break more things down and
see if there's any hot, juicy rumors on potential point

(43:26):
guards that we might be eyeing. I know that kind
of speculation you live for and you love, especially when
it's Internet generated, but that's never stopped us before.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I can't wait for that. Dan will be a good
conversation as Christmas approaches.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Thank you, Dan, we'll talk soon. That is Johnny Athletic,
if you put him on hold. Guardy, thank you very much.
We do have some outstanding vikings talking points that Guardsy
has put together with a little bit of a suggestion
or two for me, and we have Ben Lieber coming
up before forty seven. We have an open inventation to

(44:00):
Adam Feelin, who's been our three to thirty guest. This
entire season. Adam of course asked to be a release.
The Vikings granted him that wish. That was announced earlier today,
and we've got calls in Adam, and if at some
point he's willing or interested in coming on, we'll be
glad to have him on, at least for exit interview
purposes as well. We'll finish this hour with Clayton from

(44:23):
Rochester KOC. The Purple Pelf does guards he have an
athletic sweatshirt on his shelf. Will Jets tell the Purple
to go bleep yourself? Vikings in five our Vikings win five. Way,
as Clayton put it, how many wins we have right now?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Four five?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
What might be the most we can hope for? Perhaps
six now though we're going to get into that bit
of we don't want to win games because we want
to have a draft choice exactly right. Things have changed