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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
There's too many of you crowds, brother, there's.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Far too many.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Love you dad.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I think anyone who puckers up their lips and presses
it against their boss's buttocks and then smooches isn't ask us.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I seem to be in at everything except my work.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm good at my work. I confine myself to that.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
All I want out of life is thirty share in
a twenty rating.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
The man's enlarged my mind.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
He's a poet bowyer and in the classic sense, I'm
a little man.
Speaker 7 (01:02):
I'm a little man.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
He's a great man.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Think of it as colors. There's black and there's white,
and in between is mostly gray.
Speaker 8 (01:10):
That's us now.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Gray is a tough color because it's not as simple
as black and white, and for the media certainly not
as interesting.
Speaker 7 (01:19):
But that's who we are.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Busies, your indignities in Inglewood Leader Fan Fan Radio Network,
Did you see the game? And k f a n
dot com One minute forty two seconds past the hour
of three o'clock central daylight time, Welcome back Friday edition
Bumper to Bumper program. Very different show than usual because
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we've got Thursday night football to discuss, and we are
monitoring the koc presser, which is supposed to begin very shortly.
I'll get a signal from Blake Moore in for Guardzy today,
who's on his way to Iowa City as soon as
it begins. Now, I'll caution you sometimes the sound the
audio quality is not great because I think this is
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one of those zoom pressers. Correct it is, So we'll
play it by ear. If it sounds good and it's
looked like there's some juicy stuff going, we'll let it
play a little bit. If audio becomes frustrating for everyone,
we'll we'll bow out.
Speaker 8 (02:27):
Now, KOs is famously fashionably late. Is that your So
we'll see what happens. I do see a chair now,
So that's a start. Yeah, so that's halfway there. That's
a start. Well, here's the other thing I've always wondered.
We can ask Ben Gesling about this at four point thirty?
Is it harder for the jackals to jackal when they're
also tired?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right? A lot of them either took red eyes back
last night if those even exist any longer, or I'm
sure took a crack of dawn flight this morning after
the late game. Do you lose your your your ability
to jackle just a little bit. Or is it universal
that when you have a team in disarray to the
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degree that the Minnesota Vikings are, that you don't lose
that no matter whether you're working on twelve hours sleep
or twelve minutes sleep. We'll have to see plenty of vikings.
Talking points will be part of the discussion today. Guardsy
was kind enough to put those together before he had
to bow out for Iowa City. Also took you off
the hook like more. You didn't have to mess with it.
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You're very pleaded because you've done talking points a couple times,
haven't you.
Speaker 9 (03:32):
I have.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's a lot easier when when Guardsy comes and puts
it together.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
In any case, we got those going for us. I
mentioned Guestling at four thirty Lavelle at five thirty. No
picks because we did them yesterday and the head coach
is speaking, let's listen.
Speaker 9 (03:47):
Game Other than you know upon you know, getting a
chance to view the film and our coaches, you know,
being you know, really being here since we arrived back here,
really attacking looking at it from a lens of things
that we can improve. Many things on the film are
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correctable and and the the easy seeking comfort answer of
short week or guys battling different injury adversities you know,
are not going to be part of that discussion, either
here today or or you know internally here, it's about
using the time we will have on the practice field
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next week time as a staff today and this weekend
to uh, you know, create a plan moving forward that
will allow us to match the intent of scheme and
technique and fundamentals accordingly to give our players a chance
to have success. And we're going to get to work
immediately on that. And and when we get an opportunity
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to get on the grass next week next week with
our players, that's going to be the plan of attack.
So obviously, you know, a tough watch in all three phases,
but some some as in many cases, when you have
a result in the performance like that, you know you
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can see places where we clearly can be immediately better
and we need to be And it.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Starts with us as a coaching staff, and that starts.
Speaker 9 (05:19):
With me, and then I know our players know that
the confidence level that I have in the group and
our group as a whole to to press onward, push forward,
and you know, go put our best foot forward to
play a divisional game on the road against a really
good team, and you know, we want to know in
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the division right now, and we need to try to
attack these division games with the importance that they always are.
But knowing where we're at in the season, obviously critical
at this juncture. Don't really have a lot of injury
updates at this time. We did get in back to
the facility close to you know, about five am, and
our players and treatments have been ongoing. I'll be able
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to circle back on a lot of those things next week.
But I do feel you know, I do feel positive
about But where both Brown O'Neil and Christian dare saw
you know are today and and and and hopefully in
regards to their work week next week and leading into
being available, feel positive at this time and and hope
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to update you more next week on that. And the
same can be said, uh for JJ McCarthy at the
quarterback position. You know, he uh he will get.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Some work in.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
I got some work today and and we'll hopefully get
some work throughout the early part of the week which
will lead him into a full week of preparation and
and feel positive about where he's at as well.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Turn it over to you.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Hey, Kevin, I just wanted to ask about just with
the run game. I think you guys have lost Tarisaw
and Oliver before or you'd even played a tenth snap
on offense. Just how much did that affect how you
called the game? And then with the opportunities the run
game did get, how did you evaluate those?
Speaker 9 (07:09):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think jo Jo might
have been on the eighth snap, and then CD might
have been, you know, on the ninth snap, so you're
right on that and.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Looking at it.
Speaker 9 (07:23):
I think over the course of the first you know,
ten there weren't many, obviously, but ten run rushing attempts
we had in a variety of different reasons, including a
holding call. You know, I think we ended up right
around you know, eight to ten yards of total production
out of that. So when you're in a game where
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you're down some linemen, that make those known passing downs
a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
The lack of ability to get some of.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
Those plays going not of you know, we were we
found ourselves in second and you know, behind the chains
too many times in the game, and we were able
to overcome h minimally with some some you know, playmaking
by either Justin or you know, some of our other
skilled players in the past game. But it's just not
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the formula for success when you are trying to mitigate
some other areas that are concerning based upon the matchups
and and and some of the things you're trying to
work through as a group all well knowing you know,
getting guys like Justin and Jordan and TJ and going
a little bit can can you know, do light Year
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do wonders for your for your offensive rhythm when you
can you know, maybe get things opened up a little
bit via the past. But we just were never really
able to put it all together and consistently look like
the offense we want to look like. And there's a
lot of reasons for that, and we've identified some of
those on the tape. But I do think the fun
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mentals and technique of of guys uh you know, in
the run game making sure we you know, both schematically
have the best angles we can have and and the
the identity of plays matching with then the technique and
fundamentals of of being able to go cover guys up
and get things started for our runners. But you know,
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not having CJ and then losing Josh early. He's such
a critical part of our of our run game there
at that why true why position, And obviously you know,
when Christian Darsol is in the game, he's always been
a major, major, major focal point for us to run behind.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
So you know, we were we were missing some pieces.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
But at the same time, the film, you know, does
clearly show that we can be better and we need
to be better.
Speaker 10 (09:52):
Hey, coach, I was just wondering there were three or
four veteran players in the locker room last night that
reiterated what you said about nos uses, but also kind
of pointing to the positive of the closeness of the
team in this situation and really belief in one another
rather than anyone pointing fingers. I don't want to ask
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an obvious question, but just wondering if, from your perspective,
if you can comment kind of on on that aspect
of it and how impactful that is to have the
closeness when you guys are trying to figure things out here.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Yeah, I love our guys, I love the makeup of
our guys. We clearly didn't have the performance or the result,
and that's all of us last night, and everybody to
a man in that locker room and our coaching staff,
we have to acknowledge that we can't run from it.
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And at the same time, I think all of the
things that those players have built in their locker room
and the principles that we've we've built a lot of
our team building in. And the foundation of this building
on is for these moments where we've got to, you know,
be even more connected, even more of a group that
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can work through this together.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
And and I and I.
Speaker 9 (11:11):
Know that that's the type of leadership we have, that's
the type of team that that our guys have have formed, and.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
We're gonna need to lean in on that.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
And and I don't think you can just sit back
and say it's because of this, this, and this and
and and use anything other than the facts of the
season is long. There's certain aspects of the schedule that
can be more challenging than others.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
But for the totality of the.
Speaker 9 (11:37):
Season and where we're at right now, we need to
improve in all three phases of our team.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
We've got the players to do it.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
We should continue to see, you know, the original intent
of of hopefully this team from a from a depth standpoint,
and and and what we thought, uh, the the twenty
two guys on the field and off and defense would
look like we're going to work our way continuously back
towards that. But at the same time, what are we
doing on the practice field.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
What are we doing in the meeting rooms?
Speaker 9 (12:08):
What are we doing to ensure that, you know, every
stone is being uncovered and and and we're making sure
that we're on top of every detail, every fundamental technique scheme.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
What is the identity of our team?
Speaker 9 (12:22):
And how we continue to press forward to finding that
and then seeing that And that is something with some
of the things that do come up throughout the season,
and it just so happens we've we've navigated a lot
of those things early on in our season, from you know,
players being out to start the season, to losing players
in game, to losing players for you know, uh, you
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know consecutive weeks, uh for for us as a team,
that can be something that is ongoing, but there is
only so much time.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
There's uh got.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
To be an urgency to find solutions, and there's got
to be urgency to then matt those solutions with the
work that we put in and our preparation and then
make those practice field solutions and plans of attack become
a reality on game day. And then it's about that
word of consistency, and consistency can't just be tied to
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whether Isaiah Rodgers interception early on in the game for
a touchdown gets overturned or not. We can't let those
plays go from seven points for us on a huge start,
fast strike first kind of mentality that you need in
those Thursday games where it can be that, okay, it's
not now.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
As a team, we need to respond.
Speaker 9 (13:39):
We need to find a way to get a stop
on defense and then offensively sustain some sort of rhythm
to allow complimentary nature of football to take place.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
And we did not do that. And I know our guys.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
Will commit, and they will understand that there's a ton
of football left in front of us. And although ten
gamesas gives us an opportunity to to dig ourselves out
of this, you know, temporary hole we're in, it's going
to be only done by work and rolling up our
sleeves and going to work on this.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Kevin with the run defense specifically, and just wondering how
much you see so far through seven games that's maybe
quickly fixable, and how much of it might need more
of a deeper dive.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
I guess yeah, I think, uh, you know, coming out
of the bigger bye week a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You know, where we took that deep dive.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
You know, there was there was definitely an emphasis by
Flowing his staff of really taken a look at, you.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Know, what we had been and what we wanted to be.
Speaker 9 (14:45):
And there was a lot of positives that showed up
in the Philadelphia game that you know, in the in
the aspect of stopping the run, we were we were
clearly able to do that. And then you look at
when you're doing that, is it, uh is it you know,
calls by flow? Is it our group of eleven, you know,
playing totally connected and everybody doing their job. And I
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think what we saw is it's a combination of both.
And it's a mixture of scheme but understanding that fundamentals
and technique and players, you know, overcoming whatever the offensive
scheme is that's trying to take advantage of either how
we lined up or the.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Call that we're in.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
We just got to get the ability to sync that
all together a little bit more consistently. I do think
there's been some bright spots, like a Jalen Redman continuously
showing up on the tape. And I think Jonathan Garnard's
doing a lot of really good things on the edge.
You know, a lot of those runs are going away
from him, and he's trying like crazy to chase some
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of those things down. But what are we doing as
far as setting edges, what are we doing as far
as defeating blocks, playing the cutback and then continuously trying
to chase improvement from a tackling standpoint to be able
to get people when we do arrive at the football.
We do arrive with numbers at the football, can we
get that player on the ground for the for the
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most minimal game we can possibly do To then allow
our defense to set themselves up in D and D
s where they can be aggressive and past likely situations
to try to maybe you know, cause some chaos or cause.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Some issues for the offense.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
And then like you saw in the Isaiah Rodgers play
that didn't end up being an interception upon review as
they determined, but that was caused by you know, an
early down stop in the run game that forced the
negative And then we force people to play on less
comfortable terms, and that's when our defense has been at
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their best. But we'll have time here to kind of
continue along that deep dive and really attach a lot
of the principles of playing good football. You know that
all three of our phases of our team need to do.
But defensively, a lot of confidence in the group. We
have a lot of confidence that we can and you know,
as a coaching staff, you know, I think Flowing his
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staff do a great job continuously trying to seek and
search for the best possible solutions and then presenting those
to the players and then matching those things up with
the techniques and fundamentals. And we're going to get an
opportunity to do that with you know, a normal practice
week and then some for some time on task to
make things right.
Speaker 11 (17:25):
Kevin, with with Christian from what you're being told you,
do you anticipate needing this need to be a maintenance
situation for an extended period of time, In other words,
where a heavy workload in one game could affect his
availability in the next.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Do you view these.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Situations as unique and potentially behind you or where do
you kind of see this going From what you're being told.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Yeah, so you know the information I have, especially from
a standpoint of some of the unique factors of what
our early season slate kind of looked like. Kevin, I
think that was you, Kevin, right, Yeah, I see a
lot of faces there, Yes, it was. But yeah, Kevin,
I think it's something that now we should be in
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a pretty consistent Sunday to Sunday type approach with with
with some limited factors there for for you know, the
foreseeable future. I think the next eight weeks, I believe
in some capacity, and until right around the holidays. But yeah,
I think it's something where hopefully we can get back
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into a consistent rhythm of what Christian's work week looks like,
a rhythm of what his recovery looks like coming off
of a Sunday game, and then try to consistently get
him turned over because he's you know, it's it's no
secret how critical you know, he's been to our success,
how critical he's been to our consistency. And I would go,
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you know, along the same route with what Brian O'Neil
has meant to our offense, as well as those two
pillars on the outside that allow you know, so much
to go for our offense, and you know, I would
I would sign up for having those guys out there
every single play for the rest of the season. But
at the same time, we've got to find ways to
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continue to build in a way with our depth, with
our scheme, with our management of some of those unique
circumstances where those guys might not be in the game,
we still have to find production and move the football.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
So, like I said, I feel good.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
About where those guys will be at coming out of
this you know weekend and then the ability to get
into a normal practice week. But but yeah, as far
as Christian goes, I'm hoping this Sunday you know, Sunday
to Sunday schedule for for the foreseeable future will help
hopefully with getting a little bit more of you know,
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of seventy one out there on a consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Heaven, how how close do you feel like and Drew
van Ginkel is to returning.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
Yeah, I think he's a guy that's been able to
kind of continuously you know, get the get the limited
working on the practice field to try to continue to
stay sharp as he kind of uh tries to get
back into a place to be available to us. I'm encouraged,
you know, by the fact that we've got a little
bit more time this week and and how how Gink
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can possibly turn over and when he's available and we
can get him back out there.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
He's one of those guys.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
That is a critical part of of how we want
to play defense. So when we can make that happen,
and when that happens will be uh will be a
huge boost for us. Don't really have an update right
now on on that for for next week in any
kind of concrete way, but my hope is that we
we get to see Gink sooner rather than later for sure.
Speaker 12 (20:55):
Kevin, what is your just mindset with the offense with
JJ McCarthy coming back and how you approach that with
obviously an inexperienced, younger quarterback, but also wanting to maximize
and improve what you've had offensively the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Yeah, I think, you know, really, outside of yesterday, over
the past you know, four or five weeks, we've seen
the ability to move the football, to do some of
the things that we've kind of been accustomed to for
the better part of three years of being able to
you know, find you know, find completions, move the football,
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and then we've just had lapses at times in different
instances of either third down or red zone, specifically against
the Philadelphia Eagles that were kind of setbacks to ultimately
getting the points required to win games. Yesterday, we didn't
do much of of you know, much of those things
at all, so we can't look at it as an outlier.
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We've got to try to find a way to find
our rhythm, find our identity as a group, and with
JJ he he'll play an integral part of that from
a from a standpoint of his ability to throw completions,
his ability to get our playmakers involved, in his ability
to use the athleticism that that we saw, you know,
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early on in the season, stealing some first downs here
and there, using his legs, creating some plays potentially out
of the pockets, to go along with hopefully finding a
rhythm and and a completion base feel with the ability
to find those explosives that have kind of defined, you know,
what our offense you know, can be when we're working
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at all cylinders, but it's got to be an all
eleven thing.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
We've got to protect him.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
We've got to find a way to provide the quarterback
with time to find those those open players. And then
for JJ, it's going to be about, uh, the commitment
that he's made throughout his rehab to you know, getting
back to the those concrete fundamentals and techniques that allow
his feet and eyes to work together and find completions.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
You know, to any one.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Of our five eligibles, whether it's a receiver, whether it's
tj or one of our tight ends or even you know,
Aaron Jones or Jordan Za, you know, out of the backfield,
all of.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Those things can be valuable.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
And then you know, just all the complimentary tiers of plays,
whether it's the screen game, the RPO game, you know,
different variations of getting the ball into playmaker's hands with
blockers out in front. All of those plays come down
to obviously the defense that you're calling them against, but
then the execution level of the details and the things
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that make those plays that maybe end up as three
four yard games or not. Even so, you know, as
we saw in the first play of the game, you know,
the ability to get a drive started in a positive
way and we're not able to make that throw and
catch there, and then we're second and ten.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
And able to convert on a third and longer.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
But you don't want to live in that world consistently,
you know, and especially looking ahead to to how well
Detroit's playing defensively, we're going to have to be able
to sustain some early down success and I think jj'll
play a role in that as well as you know,
getting that all leven feel of no matter what the
scheme is, getting the execution to the line. Uh so
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we can allow our you know, our playmakers and and
and coinciding with that our run game to to work
hand in hand.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Last one to Dane.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Kevin, just going back to Christian, real quick conversations on
the sideline, Like is that him coming up to you
guys saying I can't go? Or like, how does you
know the chain of command work when when he does
come out of the game, you know, yesterday and then
I get the same thing against the Browns too.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Is that him saying I need it?
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Or is that kind of working in concert with with
kind of everybody involved.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Yeah, so you know, from a standpoint as coaches, you know,
we go into the game kind of knowing where Christian's at.
You know, he he was able to work out before
the game and and feel like he could give it
a go, and then it's really kind of an unknown
in many ways. And and that leads to Christian's dialogue
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with the medical staff and kind of where he thinks,
where he thinks he's at and his ability to go
out and do his job ultimately is is is the
most important thing, and and we want to always allow
the medical staff and the player uh to kind of
set the precedent for that.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
But at the same time we've got a plan.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Accordingly, we did have nine linement up for the game,
and as we did for the Cleveland game as well,
when when it was a possibility that we might not
have him maybe for.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
The whole entire game.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
But at the same time, there's no preset number, there's
no preset.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Kind of management plan.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
As much as we've got to listen to the listen
to the player, and the player's got to listen to
his body and and then all ultimately the medical staff
and then the player making a determination on can they
go out there and function and do their job. And
that's kind of been the situation in some of those
kind of unique either you know, turning over from a
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lot of plays against Pittsburgh to a you know, another
game there and in London where you know there there
was time but maybe not the most standard week of
preparation with some of the circumstances there. And then obviously
the Thursday game is its own animal that that all thirty.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Two teams have to deal with.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
It just so happens that Christian's coming back from a
significant injury that that has kind of, you know, required
a certain level of you know, I would just say
a certain level of understanding about where he's at and
and and and how that arrow, you know, we keep
that arrow pointing up and progressing throughout the season as
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he gets it further and further away from that injury.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So there is your head coach, Kevin O'Connell, bumper to bumpers,
the name of the program, Berrero and Blakemore with you
until six thirty tonight. I have a number of people
who texted Blakemore saying you should be if you haven't
already checked the tape that there was indeed, a things
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are easily correctible. Moment uttered early and as you know,
that cliche has people in this town breaking out in
hives because whether Koc knows it or not immediately people
are sent back in a nightmarish way to the era
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of Christian ponder. So we'll double check it and if
we get it, we'll try to make a SoundBite out
of it, and maybe we will even indeed play it forever.
I can't say that the head coach gave us a
lot to chew on there. He gave us very little
to chew on. But the I think the audio was
good and we wanted to play it because it's the
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day after and it is the head coach of your
favorite football team. So we'll set the table when we
come back. We got vikings talking points, a lot to
say about what was asked today, some really really tough,
tough questions, including my favorite obviously was the you know,
how much does it help that everybody's going to stick
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together at a time like this. It's just it's it's
amazing to me. But well, there's other questions that maybe
weren't asked that we can talk about, and there's a
lot to address regarding the game itself. Ben gesling in
an hour and Lavelle will give his point of view
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supply I and left. I think with only one conclusion
surrounding the CHOC decision, the as far as I'm concerned,
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indefensible CHOC decision to all but force Carson Wentz to
stay in the game until all four quarters were played.
The only rational way that can be explained is that
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he didn't believe he, being the head coach, that the
quarterback was in as much pain as he seemed to show.
He didn't hide any of it, and I'm here to
say should have. I'm not here to say it was
milking it. But that's the only rational explanation for why
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a quarterback in his condition was not pulled from the game.
It makes no other sense. He wasn't asked about it today.
We played the entire presser today. I don't know how
much he got into it yesterday. I think there was
some questioning last night after the game, and it was
viewed as more of a pain issue and if you
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can tolerate the pain, then there it wasn't any further
damage that was going to be done to the shoulder,
which might well be true. I don't know, but there is.
I don't think there's, like I said, other than I
can't tell anybody this, but yeah, he's milking it a
little bit that you don't pull up as a head coach.
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You have to put him out of his misery in
that situation. And let me quickly add before the Brosmurer
Brownstone people go irrational on the bit, and we've had
fun with the bit and I'm in on some of it.
You don't replace him with Brosmer because you think Brozmer
has a chance to steal the game. Or here's the
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other theory that's being offered. It's afraid to play him.
He knows, does koc. He's got to turn the club
or the team over to JJ McCarthy on whatever that
early November day is that we play Detroit next time
we play, and he's scared that Brozemer might play so
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well in the second half of this game or the
last quarter of this game against the Chargers that he'll
have another quarterback controversy on his hands. I mean, there's
delusional and then there's like hardcore delusional. But I'll say
part of the reason I guess you can offer that
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nonsense with a straight face is how because it's so
hard to come up with any other explanation that makes sense.
It's so odd to me that the head coach, who
prides himself on humanity right being not a player's coach
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in a soft sense, but in a sense of treating
players the right way, and that's an important part of
what he thinks has been built at in winter Park,
that he would not, you know, an inner voice wouldn't
at some point in the fourth quarter, maybe even after
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the interception that's being way overplayed as being all that meaningful.
The interception on the overthrow at Jefferson. The team was
already down then, was it thirty one to ten? Was
a thirty four to ten game? Was already over? Not
a good throw, but the game's over. But the idea
that I think, because it's so hard to explain that
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you didn't pull them as this coach who wants to
always tell us how you got to you got to
treat the players right, I think it's borderline neglect, borderline abuse.
No illusions for me, as a guy who has always
liked Brosmer, liked him last year at the U, intrigued
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about him making the roster, Intrigued with the possibility that's
somewhere down the road there might be a place for
him in the NFL if US say NHL. Intrigued is
what I said, though intrigued by the possibility. But I've
got no illusions. I'm putting him in the game to
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save this man from further agony. And all I'm going
to ask Brozmer to do is not allow himself to
get killed. And how am I going to do that.
I'm going to do something that, quite frankly, I as
always I didn't do as much as I vowed I
was going to do. Hand the ball off, check down,
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throw swing passes, and just play the game out. I
actually had somebody when I laid out the X this
morning that if you evaluate the total system failure that
took place in Inglewood, California, last night, as primarily related
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to the new accusation that the current backup quarterback of
the team, Carson Wentz, holds onto the ball too long,
you've lost the plot. There were so many things that
broke down yesterday in that game that go well beyond
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whatever the quarterbacks performance was. But we have this is
how delusional people have gotten on the Brozeman Brownstones thing.
One guy said, but wait, didn't you see he got
rid of the ball quicker. He got rid of the
ball quicker on the last drive of the game when
the Chargers aren't trying to defend anything, the game is over.
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How often in garbage time do we see exactly that
kind of drive? It means nothing. And again, I love
Rosmer as much as the next guy, maybe not as
much as Guardsy, but I try to be in the
same zip code with him. But that sounds that's hows stupid.
This stuff gets a shooty. And again, I love Gopher Hole,
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I love Gopher Nation, but we all they also act
like did the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl last year?
He was good, I liked him, but it's just it's insane.
But I think, in fairness to those delusional folks who
are going with conspiracy theories like it's Fridplin, it's Fred
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that the reason they are willing to throw that nonsense
out is there is no rational explanation for continuing to play,
Carson Wentz, I guess I am supper. There hasn't been
more pushback from the media jackals on this, especially again,
as I said, with a coach who is who has
sort of placed himself as we play, we coach with humanity.
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We may coach hard, but we coach with humanity. How
is that the human decision to make that just absolutely
makes no sense, unless, as I said, he was he'd
been told by doctors, don't pay attention to how often
and how evident he's making. The pain on his face
means nothing. It means he's overplaying his hand or whatever.
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I don't know how else to explain it. Every time
the guy went down it looked like he was not
gonna get up. Game is over. So again, I don't
want to put somebody else in so you can get
a spark. God, you go to spark the defense too.
That's another whole subject. We've got plenty of talking points
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on that. Just get the healthy guy in the game,
tell him to stay out of the way, take no hits.
Maybe at this point, I don't even know if they
blitzed much on that last drive. Hardball by then might
have had mercy to say let's say the game's over.
Let's we'll let them have their cute little drive down
the field with the third string quarterback and and and
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they can feel better about themselves. But at that point
it did not even matter. In any case, let's do this.
Let's stay on schedule, because we went long with the
presser that did you find by the way, is there
a easily correctable have you found it yet? I have
found it? Have you isolated it yet?
Speaker 7 (37:37):
It is?
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Many things on the film are correctable.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So at least he didn't go easily correctable that the
ponder sound bite was easily correctable. He just went with correctable.
But it's still too close, isn't it. For here's the
fault at it for a little longer. Okay, of things
that that we can improve. Many things on the film
are correctable, and the easy the word sound a little
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bit okay? Yeah, well yeah, you usually do with him. Interesting,
all right, Well, we'll try to hold on to that
Vikings talking points Ben Gesling four thirty And we'll get
Lavelle's view on the current state of the Minnesota Vikings
and so maybe some other stories twins managerial search, who
knows what else?
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Stay tuned.
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Speaker 2 (39:06):
Let's get to it. The first is Ron, the late
great Ron Rosenbaum used to say, let's start at the beginning.
Let's start with the pick six. It wasn't Herbert out
of the shotgun on second down. Mittelli's blitzes and Herbert
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threw it right to isay you Rogers.
Speaker 13 (39:29):
Inside the ten touchdown. The Minnesota Vikings took the ball
from justin Herbert, and I say you Rogers ran it
into the end zone for US six zero lea.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Hallballs state incomplete. Of course it is. Hallball's on on
the big screen. I hadn't talked to the official. State
it's incomplete. Right, here's the official after review, the willing
in the fields are incomplete. Pass that's special. Here's a
third that's super special. It was the correct call. We'll
all agree on this one. I was actually in the
Viking side regarding the tight end catch a week ago,
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even though a lot of officials say that one wasn't
as close as some of us thought it was. But
this one, what's interesting is I thought the whoever the
officiating guy was that they went to last night, he
seemed to be hemming and hanging in a way that
at first he thought it was going to be upheld,
and eventually maybe it was one of those reverse angles
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that also convinced him. I thought it was pretty clear
from the beginning that he did not have control of
the ball. But it's a gut punch, right because when
you are the team reeling, which the Vikings were coming
off the last game, and you're flying across the country
and you kind of know, even though the Chargers have
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not played very well, that you're vulnerable to lose again.
You're looking for something that can turn it right. You
are looking for a defensive place. We talked about team
that had going into the game seven takeaways, five of
them coming against the Bengals and zero in the last
three games.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
You're going here we go.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Sometimes that's what you need to tip the balance in
your direction. So it was an absolute gut punch. But
you'll notice today as we do talking points the rest
of the way. There's a similarity to all of them
in that they read as follows the pick six that wasn't,
which you just heard, the ground game that wasn't, the
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run defense that wasn't, the pass defense that wasn't, the
highly tutored up and comer defensive player who isn't. You
can all guess on who that might be, and the
pass protection that wasn't. That's the theme. It's what didn't
and wasn't happening, and it's that's why I think the
old poll ad quote about total system failure applies in
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this case. Now, can you, on a given Sunday or Thursday,
get a spark from the most important position on the
field that seems to transcend all of your other problems.
The answer is yes, it does happen. It usually doesn't
isn't sustained if you don't deal with those other failures,
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But absolutely it can. It can make you feel like
the weights off of your team's shoulders, that somebody has
come through with a couple of plays, exciting plays, or
just seems to turn it. So I'm not ruling that
out about putting in a new quarterback. Even JJ McCarthy
as inadequate as he looked the last time we saw him.
Those things can indeed happen. But I defy you, as
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I said, to watch that game and say, we just
got to take care of the offense. We just got
to get healthy on the offensive line. How does that
explain a defense that now every time it plays a
legitimate quarterback, well legitimate to good quarterback, gets diced up.
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I mean, that was not even close to competitive defensively,
And I am firmly convinced if Harbaugh wanted to be
a jackass, they might have and if it was a
closer game, Chargers might have been able to score fifty.
I really believe that. I mean, at some point they
went to that other mode and said, all right, we
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can just kind of play this game out. We can
settle for field goals. We will just will keep tacking
up points there and we're going to be fine in
this game. But that play that wasn't very early in
the game, I think set the tone because everything was
in the wasn't category in every classification. There was no
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run defense, there was no pass defense, there was no
pass protection, and yes, there really was no legitimate quarterback play.
But I'll say again, I will defy you to watch,
especially in the first and second quarters, of what Wentz
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was dealing with in terms of pressure, and tell me
that anybody, even somebody throwing a little better than he
has tended to, was going to be able to do
anything with that on that given night. I think I
understand human nature. Human nature is you want to think
there's a way out because the alternative is too devastating.
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The alternative is we're just not very good, so you
want to go, oh, way out, Brosemann, way out of
the quarterback. And it look, I've said all along, I've
been unfairly accused of being a wentz apologist. No, it's
not that so much as I've tended to defend him
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from some of the onslaught because people have gotten irrational
in not paying attention to other aspects of this team.
But what I said all along was the assumption is
once will come back to the pack for whatever the reason,
even if some it's not his fault, and when he
does the decisions, the decision is easy. The decision's now easy.
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There's no drama, there's nothing else to think about.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
It's done.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Vikings. When they play next against the Detroit Lions on
is it November two. You double check the date. It's
early November. It is November two. JJ McCarthy will be
the starting quarterback now. The only way that he isn't
is if he's hurt, right, I mean, are still isn't
healthy enough to play? That's the only reason. But it's
now McCarthy's team again. And at this point what you
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go with is you can't even necessarily worry about whether
that means the season's lost and you're going to have
to deal with a lot of McCarthy mistakes. You don't
have any alternatives that you're excited about. Now for some people,
it'll be Brozemer still. And what's ironic about it is,
can we all agree that if Max Brosmer had played
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at Tulane, nobody, nobody would be clamoring for what we
got gotta put out there? Put him out there instead
of JJ? What are we basing the belief that he's
a better option right now than JJ McCarthy, As someone
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has been pretty hard on JJ? What what what's the basis
of that college careers? Oh, did Michigan kids did pretty good?
Had better infrastructure around him and did pretty good. It's
the it's it's the backup quarterback syndrome. That's now to
the tenth power because we remember him he was a golfer,
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and there's the gopher hole of his hoolization of the
culture that is good at now. I've I've nurtured some
of it as fifty percent a bit, and sadly we've
got a lot of people who believe it to that extent.
And I don't know. And again am I ruling out
the possibility that's somewhere down the road JJ McCarthy, I
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should say bro Brosemer will end up having a better
pro career than JJ McCarthy. No, I'm not, because we've
seen weird things happen, but there's really no evidence, even
from a scientific standpoint, an analytics standpoint, historic standpoint, to
think that, yeah, I'll play those odds. It's because he've
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played here for one year and we like saying the
name Brozmer, and I think we kind of like the
first name Max too. And he seems to be everywhere.
When he's not with the Vikings, he's in another Gopher game,
and he's on the sidelines, and he's always coaching, and
he's always doing you know, maybe he should have five
different jobs I don't know. Top of the eye break
Ben Gessling at about thirty more vikings, talking points to
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get to and maybe even a little conversation on Gopher's eye.
Iowa a big game tomorrow for the Gophers because you
got to capitalize on what they did against Nebraska. If
you turn around and lay an egg in Iowa City,
a lot of bat juice goes away. It's about building
on the way you played in very convincing fashion. Not
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that far from here. Last was that Saturday night the
Saturday night game? Yeah, it was against or was it
Friday night? Friday night game against the Nebraska cornhu
What's that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
There's too many of you crowds, brother, there's.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Far too many.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Love you dad.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I think anyone who puckers up their lips and presses
it against their boss's buttocks and then smooches isn't ask us.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I seem to be in at everything except my work.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm good at my work. I confine myself to that.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
All I want out of life is thirty share in
a twenty rating.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
The man's enlarged my mind.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
He's a poet bowyer and in the classic sense, I'm
a little man.
Speaker 7 (01:02):
I'm a little man.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
He's a great man.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Think of it as colors. There's black and there's white,
and in between is mostly gray.
Speaker 8 (01:10):
That's us now.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Gray is a tough color because it's not as simple
as black and white, and for the media certainly not
as interesting.
Speaker 7 (01:19):
But that's who we are.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
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we've got Thursday night football to discuss, and we are
monitoring the koc presser, which is supposed to begin very shortly.
I'll get a signal from Blake Moore in for Guardzy today,
who's on his way to Iowa City as soon as
it begins. Now, I'll caution you sometimes the sound the
audio quality is not great because I think this is
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one of those zoom pressers. Correct it is, So we'll
play it by ear. If it sounds good and it's
looked like there's some juicy stuff going, we'll let it
play a little bit. If audio becomes frustrating for everyone,
we'll we'll bow out.
Speaker 8 (02:27):
Now, KOs is famously fashionably late. Is that your So
we'll see what happens. I do see a chair now,
So that's a start. Yeah, so that's halfway there. That's
a start. Well, here's the other thing I've always wondered.
We can ask Ben Gesling about this at four point thirty?
Is it harder for the jackals to jackal when they're
also tired?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right? A lot of them either took red eyes back
last night if those even exist any longer, or I'm
sure took a crack of dawn flight this morning after
the late game. Do you lose your your your ability
to jackle just a little bit. Or is it universal
that when you have a team in disarray to the
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degree that the Minnesota Vikings are, that you don't lose
that no matter whether you're working on twelve hours sleep
or twelve minutes sleep. We'll have to see plenty of vikings.
Talking points will be part of the discussion today. Guardsy
was kind enough to put those together before he had
to bow out for Iowa City. Also took you off
the hook like more. You didn't have to mess with it.
(03:29):
You're very pleaded because you've done talking points a couple times,
haven't you.
Speaker 9 (03:32):
I have.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's a lot easier when when Guardsy comes and puts
it together.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
In any case, we got those going for us. I
mentioned Guestling at four thirty Lavelle at five thirty. No
picks because we did them yesterday and the head coach
is speaking, let's listen.
Speaker 9 (03:47):
Game Other than you know upon you know, getting a
chance to view the film and our coaches, you know,
being you know, really being here since we arrived back here,
really attacking looking at it from a lens of things
that we can improve. Many things on the film are
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correctable and and the the easy seeking comfort answer of
short week or guys battling different injury adversities you know,
are not going to be part of that discussion, either
here today or or you know internally here, it's about
using the time we will have on the practice field
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next week time as a staff today and this weekend
to uh, you know, create a plan moving forward that
will allow us to match the intent of scheme and
technique and fundamentals accordingly to give our players a chance
to have success. And we're going to get to work
immediately on that. And and when we get an opportunity
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to get on the grass next week next week with
our players, that's going to be the plan of attack.
So obviously, you know, a tough watch in all three phases,
but some some as in many cases, when you have
a result in the performance like that, you know you
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can see places where we clearly can be immediately better
and we need to be And it.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Starts with us as a coaching staff, and that starts.
Speaker 9 (05:19):
With me, and then I know our players know that
the confidence level that I have in the group and
our group as a whole to to press onward, push forward,
and you know, go put our best foot forward to
play a divisional game on the road against a really
good team, and you know, we want to know in
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the division right now, and we need to try to
attack these division games with the importance that they always are.
But knowing where we're at in the season, obviously critical
at this juncture. Don't really have a lot of injury
updates at this time. We did get in back to
the facility close to you know, about five am, and
our players and treatments have been ongoing. I'll be able
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to circle back on a lot of those things next week.
But I do feel you know, I do feel positive
about But where both Brown O'Neil and Christian dare saw
you know are today and and and and hopefully in
regards to their work week next week and leading into
being available, feel positive at this time and and hope
(06:25):
to update you more next week on that. And the
same can be said, uh for JJ McCarthy at the
quarterback position. You know, he uh he will get.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Some work in.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
I got some work today and and we'll hopefully get
some work throughout the early part of the week which
will lead him into a full week of preparation and
and feel positive about where he's at as well.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Turn it over to you.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Hey, Kevin, I just wanted to ask about just with
the run game. I think you guys have lost Tarisaw
and Oliver before or you'd even played a tenth snap
on offense. Just how much did that affect how you
called the game? And then with the opportunities the run
game did get, how did you evaluate those?
Speaker 9 (07:09):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think jo Jo might
have been on the eighth snap, and then CD might
have been, you know, on the ninth snap, so you're
right on that and.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Looking at it.
Speaker 9 (07:23):
I think over the course of the first you know,
ten there weren't many, obviously, but ten run rushing attempts
we had in a variety of different reasons, including a
holding call. You know, I think we ended up right
around you know, eight to ten yards of total production
out of that. So when you're in a game where
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you're down some linemen, that make those known passing downs
a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
The lack of ability to get some of.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
Those plays going not of you know, we were we
found ourselves in second and you know, behind the chains
too many times in the game, and we were able
to overcome h minimally with some some you know, playmaking
by either Justin or you know, some of our other
skilled players in the past game. But it's just not
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the formula for success when you are trying to mitigate
some other areas that are concerning based upon the matchups
and and and some of the things you're trying to
work through as a group all well knowing you know,
getting guys like Justin and Jordan and TJ and going
a little bit can can you know, do light Year
(08:38):
do wonders for your for your offensive rhythm when you
can you know, maybe get things opened up a little
bit via the past. But we just were never really
able to put it all together and consistently look like
the offense we want to look like. And there's a
lot of reasons for that, and we've identified some of
those on the tape. But I do think the fun
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mentals and technique of of guys uh you know, in
the run game making sure we you know, both schematically
have the best angles we can have and and the
the identity of plays matching with then the technique and
fundamentals of of being able to go cover guys up
and get things started for our runners. But you know,
(09:22):
not having CJ and then losing Josh early. He's such
a critical part of our of our run game there
at that why true why position, And obviously you know,
when Christian Darsol is in the game, he's always been
a major, major, major focal point for us to run behind.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
So you know, we were we were missing some pieces.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
But at the same time, the film, you know, does
clearly show that we can be better and we need
to be better.
Speaker 10 (09:52):
Hey, coach, I was just wondering there were three or
four veteran players in the locker room last night that
reiterated what you said about nos uses, but also kind
of pointing to the positive of the closeness of the
team in this situation and really belief in one another
rather than anyone pointing fingers. I don't want to ask
(10:12):
an obvious question, but just wondering if, from your perspective,
if you can comment kind of on on that aspect
of it and how impactful that is to have the
closeness when you guys are trying to figure things out here.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Yeah, I love our guys, I love the makeup of
our guys. We clearly didn't have the performance or the result,
and that's all of us last night, and everybody to
a man in that locker room and our coaching staff,
we have to acknowledge that we can't run from it.
(10:45):
And at the same time, I think all of the
things that those players have built in their locker room
and the principles that we've we've built a lot of
our team building in. And the foundation of this building
on is for these moments where we've got to, you know,
be even more connected, even more of a group that
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can work through this together.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
And and I and I.
Speaker 9 (11:11):
Know that that's the type of leadership we have, that's
the type of team that that our guys have have formed, and.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
We're gonna need to lean in on that.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
And and I don't think you can just sit back
and say it's because of this, this, and this and
and and use anything other than the facts of the
season is long. There's certain aspects of the schedule that
can be more challenging than others.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
But for the totality of the.
Speaker 9 (11:37):
Season and where we're at right now, we need to
improve in all three phases of our team.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
We've got the players to do it.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
We should continue to see, you know, the original intent
of of hopefully this team from a from a depth standpoint,
and and and what we thought, uh, the the twenty
two guys on the field and off and defense would
look like we're going to work our way continuously back
towards that. But at the same time, what are we
doing on the practice field.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
What are we doing in the meeting rooms?
Speaker 9 (12:08):
What are we doing to ensure that, you know, every
stone is being uncovered and and and we're making sure
that we're on top of every detail, every fundamental technique scheme.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
What is the identity of our team?
Speaker 9 (12:22):
And how we continue to press forward to finding that
and then seeing that And that is something with some
of the things that do come up throughout the season,
and it just so happens we've we've navigated a lot
of those things early on in our season, from you know,
players being out to start the season, to losing players
in game, to losing players for you know, uh, you
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know consecutive weeks, uh for for us as a team,
that can be something that is ongoing, but there is
only so much time.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
There's uh got.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
To be an urgency to find solutions, and there's got
to be urgency to then matt those solutions with the
work that we put in and our preparation and then
make those practice field solutions and plans of attack become
a reality on game day. And then it's about that
word of consistency, and consistency can't just be tied to
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whether Isaiah Rodgers interception early on in the game for
a touchdown gets overturned or not. We can't let those
plays go from seven points for us on a huge start,
fast strike first kind of mentality that you need in
those Thursday games where it can be that, okay, it's
not now.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
As a team, we need to respond.
Speaker 9 (13:39):
We need to find a way to get a stop
on defense and then offensively sustain some sort of rhythm
to allow complimentary nature of football to take place.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
And we did not do that. And I know our guys.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
Will commit, and they will understand that there's a ton
of football left in front of us. And although ten
gamesas gives us an opportunity to to dig ourselves out
of this, you know, temporary hole we're in, it's going
to be only done by work and rolling up our
sleeves and going to work on this.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Kevin with the run defense specifically, and just wondering how
much you see so far through seven games that's maybe
quickly fixable, and how much of it might need more
of a deeper dive.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
I guess yeah, I think, uh, you know, coming out
of the bigger bye week a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You know, where we took that deep dive.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
You know, there was there was definitely an emphasis by
Flowing his staff of really taken a look at, you.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Know, what we had been and what we wanted to be.
Speaker 9 (14:45):
And there was a lot of positives that showed up
in the Philadelphia game that you know, in the in
the aspect of stopping the run, we were we were
clearly able to do that. And then you look at
when you're doing that, is it, uh is it you know,
calls by flow? Is it our group of eleven, you know,
playing totally connected and everybody doing their job. And I
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think what we saw is it's a combination of both.
And it's a mixture of scheme but understanding that fundamentals
and technique and players, you know, overcoming whatever the offensive
scheme is that's trying to take advantage of either how
we lined up or the.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Call that we're in.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
We just got to get the ability to sync that
all together a little bit more consistently. I do think
there's been some bright spots, like a Jalen Redman continuously
showing up on the tape. And I think Jonathan Garnard's
doing a lot of really good things on the edge.
You know, a lot of those runs are going away
from him, and he's trying like crazy to chase some
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of those things down. But what are we doing as
far as setting edges, what are we doing as far
as defeating blocks, playing the cutback and then continuously trying
to chase improvement from a tackling standpoint to be able
to get people when we do arrive at the football.
We do arrive with numbers at the football, can we
get that player on the ground for the for the
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most minimal game we can possibly do To then allow
our defense to set themselves up in D and D
s where they can be aggressive and past likely situations
to try to maybe you know, cause some chaos or cause.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Some issues for the offense.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
And then like you saw in the Isaiah Rodgers play
that didn't end up being an interception upon review as
they determined, but that was caused by you know, an
early down stop in the run game that forced the
negative And then we force people to play on less
comfortable terms, and that's when our defense has been at
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their best. But we'll have time here to kind of
continue along that deep dive and really attach a lot
of the principles of playing good football. You know that
all three of our phases of our team need to do.
But defensively, a lot of confidence in the group. We
have a lot of confidence that we can and you know,
as a coaching staff, you know, I think Flowing his
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staff do a great job continuously trying to seek and
search for the best possible solutions and then presenting those
to the players and then matching those things up with
the techniques and fundamentals. And we're going to get an
opportunity to do that with you know, a normal practice
week and then some for some time on task to
make things right.
Speaker 11 (17:25):
Kevin, with with Christian from what you're being told you,
do you anticipate needing this need to be a maintenance
situation for an extended period of time, In other words,
where a heavy workload in one game could affect his
availability in the next.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Do you view these.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Situations as unique and potentially behind you or where do
you kind of see this going From what you're being told.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Yeah, so you know the information I have, especially from
a standpoint of some of the unique factors of what
our early season slate kind of looked like. Kevin, I
think that was you, Kevin, right, Yeah, I see a
lot of faces there, Yes, it was. But yeah, Kevin,
I think it's something that now we should be in
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a pretty consistent Sunday to Sunday type approach with with
with some limited factors there for for you know, the
foreseeable future. I think the next eight weeks, I believe
in some capacity, and until right around the holidays. But yeah,
I think it's something where hopefully we can get back
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into a consistent rhythm of what Christian's work week looks like,
a rhythm of what his recovery looks like coming off
of a Sunday game, and then try to consistently get
him turned over because he's you know, it's it's no
secret how critical you know, he's been to our success,
how critical he's been to our consistency. And I would go,
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you know, along the same route with what Brian O'Neil
has meant to our offense, as well as those two
pillars on the outside that allow you know, so much
to go for our offense, and you know, I would
I would sign up for having those guys out there
every single play for the rest of the season. But
at the same time, we've got to find ways to
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continue to build in a way with our depth, with
our scheme, with our management of some of those unique
circumstances where those guys might not be in the game,
we still have to find production and move the football.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
So, like I said, I feel good.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
About where those guys will be at coming out of
this you know weekend and then the ability to get
into a normal practice week. But but yeah, as far
as Christian goes, I'm hoping this Sunday you know, Sunday
to Sunday schedule for for the foreseeable future will help
hopefully with getting a little bit more of you know,
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of seventy one out there on a consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Heaven, how how close do you feel like and Drew
van Ginkel is to returning.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
Yeah, I think he's a guy that's been able to
kind of continuously you know, get the get the limited
working on the practice field to try to continue to
stay sharp as he kind of uh tries to get
back into a place to be available to us. I'm encouraged,
you know, by the fact that we've got a little
bit more time this week and and how how Gink
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can possibly turn over and when he's available and we
can get him back out there.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
He's one of those guys.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
That is a critical part of of how we want
to play defense. So when we can make that happen,
and when that happens will be uh will be a
huge boost for us. Don't really have an update right
now on on that for for next week in any
kind of concrete way, but my hope is that we
we get to see Gink sooner rather than later for sure.
Speaker 12 (20:55):
Kevin, what is your just mindset with the offense with
JJ McCarthy coming back and how you approach that with
obviously an inexperienced, younger quarterback, but also wanting to maximize
and improve what you've had offensively the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Yeah, I think, you know, really, outside of yesterday, over
the past you know, four or five weeks, we've seen
the ability to move the football, to do some of
the things that we've kind of been accustomed to for
the better part of three years of being able to
you know, find you know, find completions, move the football,
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and then we've just had lapses at times in different
instances of either third down or red zone, specifically against
the Philadelphia Eagles that were kind of setbacks to ultimately
getting the points required to win games. Yesterday, we didn't
do much of of you know, much of those things
at all, so we can't look at it as an outlier.
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We've got to try to find a way to find
our rhythm, find our identity as a group, and with
JJ he he'll play an integral part of that from
a from a standpoint of his ability to throw completions,
his ability to get our playmakers involved, in his ability
to use the athleticism that that we saw, you know,
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early on in the season, stealing some first downs here
and there, using his legs, creating some plays potentially out
of the pockets, to go along with hopefully finding a
rhythm and and a completion base feel with the ability
to find those explosives that have kind of defined, you know,
what our offense you know, can be when we're working
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at all cylinders, but it's got to be an all
eleven thing.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
We've got to protect him.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
We've got to find a way to provide the quarterback
with time to find those those open players. And then
for JJ, it's going to be about, uh, the commitment
that he's made throughout his rehab to you know, getting
back to the those concrete fundamentals and techniques that allow
his feet and eyes to work together and find completions.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
You know, to any one.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Of our five eligibles, whether it's a receiver, whether it's
tj or one of our tight ends or even you know,
Aaron Jones or Jordan Za, you know, out of the backfield,
all of.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Those things can be valuable.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
And then you know, just all the complimentary tiers of plays,
whether it's the screen game, the RPO game, you know,
different variations of getting the ball into playmaker's hands with
blockers out in front. All of those plays come down
to obviously the defense that you're calling them against, but
then the execution level of the details and the things
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that make those plays that maybe end up as three
four yard games or not. Even so, you know, as
we saw in the first play of the game, you know,
the ability to get a drive started in a positive
way and we're not able to make that throw and
catch there, and then we're second and ten.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
And able to convert on a third and longer.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
But you don't want to live in that world consistently,
you know, and especially looking ahead to to how well
Detroit's playing defensively, we're going to have to be able
to sustain some early down success and I think jj'll
play a role in that as well as you know,
getting that all leven feel of no matter what the
scheme is, getting the execution to the line. Uh so
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we can allow our you know, our playmakers and and
and coinciding with that our run game to to work
hand in hand.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Last one to Dane.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Kevin, just going back to Christian, real quick conversations on
the sideline, Like is that him coming up to you
guys saying I can't go? Or like, how does you
know the chain of command work when when he does
come out of the game, you know, yesterday and then
I get the same thing against the Browns too.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Is that him saying I need it?
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Or is that kind of working in concert with with
kind of everybody involved.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Yeah, so you know, from a standpoint as coaches, you know,
we go into the game kind of knowing where Christian's at.
You know, he he was able to work out before
the game and and feel like he could give it
a go, and then it's really kind of an unknown
in many ways. And and that leads to Christian's dialogue
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with the medical staff and kind of where he thinks,
where he thinks he's at and his ability to go
out and do his job ultimately is is is the
most important thing, and and we want to always allow
the medical staff and the player uh to kind of
set the precedent for that.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
But at the same time we've got a plan.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Accordingly, we did have nine linement up for the game,
and as we did for the Cleveland game as well,
when when it was a possibility that we might not
have him maybe for.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
The whole entire game.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
But at the same time, there's no preset number, there's
no preset.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Kind of management plan.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
As much as we've got to listen to the listen
to the player, and the player's got to listen to
his body and and then all ultimately the medical staff
and then the player making a determination on can they
go out there and function and do their job. And
that's kind of been the situation in some of those
kind of unique either you know, turning over from a
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lot of plays against Pittsburgh to a you know, another
game there and in London where you know there there
was time but maybe not the most standard week of
preparation with some of the circumstances there. And then obviously
the Thursday game is its own animal that that all thirty.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Two teams have to deal with.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
It just so happens that Christian's coming back from a
significant injury that that has kind of, you know, required
a certain level of you know, I would just say
a certain level of understanding about where he's at and
and and and how that arrow, you know, we keep
that arrow pointing up and progressing throughout the season as
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he gets it further and further away from that injury.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So there is your head coach, Kevin O'Connell, bumper to bumpers,
the name of the program, Berrero and Blakemore with you
until six thirty tonight. I have a number of people
who texted Blakemore saying you should be if you haven't
already checked the tape that there was indeed, a things
(27:22):
are easily correctible. Moment uttered early and as you know,
that cliche has people in this town breaking out in
hives because whether Koc knows it or not immediately people
are sent back in a nightmarish way to the era
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of Christian ponder. So we'll double check it and if
we get it, we'll try to make a SoundBite out
of it, and maybe we will even indeed play it forever.
I can't say that the head coach gave us a
lot to chew on there. He gave us very little
to chew on. But the I think the audio was
good and we wanted to play it because it's the
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day after and it is the head coach of your
favorite football team. So we'll set the table when we
come back. We got vikings talking points, a lot to
say about what was asked today, some really really tough,
tough questions, including my favorite obviously was the you know,
how much does it help that everybody's going to stick
(28:24):
together at a time like this. It's just it's it's
amazing to me. But well, there's other questions that maybe
weren't asked that we can talk about, and there's a
lot to address regarding the game itself. Ben gesling in
an hour and Lavelle will give his point of view
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supply I and left. I think with only one conclusion
surrounding the CHOC decision, the as far as I'm concerned,
(29:11):
indefensible CHOC decision to all but force Carson Wentz to
stay in the game until all four quarters were played.
The only rational way that can be explained is that
(29:35):
he didn't believe he, being the head coach, that the
quarterback was in as much pain as he seemed to show.
He didn't hide any of it, and I'm here to
say should have. I'm not here to say it was
milking it. But that's the only rational explanation for why
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a quarterback in his condition was not pulled from the game.
It makes no other sense. He wasn't asked about it today.
We played the entire presser today. I don't know how
much he got into it yesterday. I think there was
some questioning last night after the game, and it was
viewed as more of a pain issue and if you
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can tolerate the pain, then there it wasn't any further
damage that was going to be done to the shoulder,
which might well be true. I don't know, but there is.
I don't think there's, like I said, other than I
can't tell anybody this, but yeah, he's milking it a
little bit that you don't pull up as a head coach.
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You have to put him out of his misery in
that situation. And let me quickly add before the Brosmurer
Brownstone people go irrational on the bit, and we've had
fun with the bit and I'm in on some of it.
You don't replace him with Brosmer because you think Brozmer
has a chance to steal the game. Or here's the
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other theory that's being offered. It's afraid to play him.
He knows, does koc. He's got to turn the club
or the team over to JJ McCarthy on whatever that
early November day is that we play Detroit next time
we play, and he's scared that Brozemer might play so
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well in the second half of this game or the
last quarter of this game against the Chargers that he'll
have another quarterback controversy on his hands. I mean, there's
delusional and then there's like hardcore delusional. But I'll say
part of the reason I guess you can offer that
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nonsense with a straight face is how because it's so
hard to come up with any other explanation that makes sense.
It's so odd to me that the head coach, who
prides himself on humanity right being not a player's coach
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in a soft sense, but in a sense of treating
players the right way, and that's an important part of
what he thinks has been built at in winter Park,
that he would not, you know, an inner voice wouldn't
at some point in the fourth quarter, maybe even after
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the interception that's being way overplayed as being all that meaningful.
The interception on the overthrow at Jefferson. The team was
already down then, was it thirty one to ten? Was
a thirty four to ten game? Was already over? Not
a good throw, but the game's over. But the idea
that I think, because it's so hard to explain that
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you didn't pull them as this coach who wants to
always tell us how you got to you got to
treat the players right, I think it's borderline neglect, borderline abuse.
No illusions for me, as a guy who has always
liked Brosmer, liked him last year at the U, intrigued
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about him making the roster, Intrigued with the possibility that's
somewhere down the road there might be a place for
him in the NFL if US say NHL. Intrigued is
what I said, though intrigued by the possibility. But I've
got no illusions. I'm putting him in the game to
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save this man from further agony. And all I'm going
to ask Brozmer to do is not allow himself to
get killed. And how am I going to do that.
I'm going to do something that, quite frankly, I as
always I didn't do as much as I vowed I
was going to do. Hand the ball off, check down,
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throw swing passes, and just play the game out. I
actually had somebody when I laid out the X this
morning that if you evaluate the total system failure that
took place in Inglewood, California, last night, as primarily related
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to the new accusation that the current backup quarterback of
the team, Carson Wentz, holds onto the ball too long,
you've lost the plot. There were so many things that
broke down yesterday in that game that go well beyond
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whatever the quarterbacks performance was. But we have this is
how delusional people have gotten on the Brozeman Brownstones thing.
One guy said, but wait, didn't you see he got
rid of the ball quicker. He got rid of the
ball quicker on the last drive of the game when
the Chargers aren't trying to defend anything, the game is over.
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How often in garbage time do we see exactly that
kind of drive? It means nothing. And again, I love
Rosmer as much as the next guy, maybe not as
much as Guardsy, but I try to be in the
same zip code with him. But that sounds that's hows stupid.
This stuff gets a shooty. And again, I love Gopher Hole,
(35:25):
I love Gopher Nation, but we all they also act
like did the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl last year?
He was good, I liked him, but it's just it's insane.
But I think, in fairness to those delusional folks who
are going with conspiracy theories like it's Fridplin, it's Fred
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that the reason they are willing to throw that nonsense
out is there is no rational explanation for continuing to play,
Carson Wentz, I guess I am supper. There hasn't been
more pushback from the media jackals on this, especially again,
as I said, with a coach who is who has
sort of placed himself as we play, we coach with humanity.
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We may coach hard, but we coach with humanity. How
is that the human decision to make that just absolutely
makes no sense, unless, as I said, he was he'd
been told by doctors, don't pay attention to how often
and how evident he's making. The pain on his face
means nothing. It means he's overplaying his hand or whatever.
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I don't know how else to explain it. Every time
the guy went down it looked like he was not
gonna get up. Game is over. So again, I don't
want to put somebody else in so you can get
a spark. God, you go to spark the defense too.
That's another whole subject. We've got plenty of talking points
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on that. Just get the healthy guy in the game,
tell him to stay out of the way, take no hits.
Maybe at this point, I don't even know if they
blitzed much on that last drive. Hardball by then might
have had mercy to say let's say the game's over.
Let's we'll let them have their cute little drive down
the field with the third string quarterback and and and
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they can feel better about themselves. But at that point
it did not even matter. In any case, let's do this.
Let's stay on schedule, because we went long with the
presser that did you find by the way, is there
a easily correctable have you found it yet? I have
found it? Have you isolated it yet?
Speaker 7 (37:37):
It is?
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Many things on the film are correctable.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So at least he didn't go easily correctable that the
ponder sound bite was easily correctable. He just went with correctable.
But it's still too close, isn't it. For here's the
fault at it for a little longer. Okay, of things
that that we can improve. Many things on the film
are correctable, and the easy the word sound a little
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bit okay? Yeah, well yeah, you usually do with him. Interesting,
all right, Well, we'll try to hold on to that
Vikings talking points Ben Gesling four thirty And we'll get
Lavelle's view on the current state of the Minnesota Vikings
and so maybe some other stories twins managerial search, who
knows what else?
Speaker 7 (38:20):
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Speaker 2 (39:06):
Let's get to it. The first is Ron, the late
great Ron Rosenbaum used to say, let's start at the beginning.
Let's start with the pick six. It wasn't Herbert out
of the shotgun on second down. Mittelli's blitzes and Herbert
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threw it right to isay you Rogers.
Speaker 13 (39:29):
Inside the ten touchdown. The Minnesota Vikings took the ball
from justin Herbert, and I say you Rogers ran it
into the end zone for US six zero lea.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Hallballs state incomplete. Of course it is. Hallball's on on
the big screen. I hadn't talked to the official. State
it's incomplete. Right, here's the official after review, the willing
in the fields are incomplete. Pass that's special. Here's a
third that's super special. It was the correct call. We'll
all agree on this one. I was actually in the
Viking side regarding the tight end catch a week ago,
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even though a lot of officials say that one wasn't
as close as some of us thought it was. But
this one, what's interesting is I thought the whoever the
officiating guy was that they went to last night, he
seemed to be hemming and hanging in a way that
at first he thought it was going to be upheld,
and eventually maybe it was one of those reverse angles
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that also convinced him. I thought it was pretty clear
from the beginning that he did not have control of
the ball. But it's a gut punch, right because when
you are the team reeling, which the Vikings were coming
off the last game, and you're flying across the country
and you kind of know, even though the Chargers have
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not played very well, that you're vulnerable to lose again.
You're looking for something that can turn it right. You
are looking for a defensive place. We talked about team
that had going into the game seven takeaways, five of
them coming against the Bengals and zero in the last
three games.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
You're going here we go.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Sometimes that's what you need to tip the balance in
your direction. So it was an absolute gut punch. But
you'll notice today as we do talking points the rest
of the way. There's a similarity to all of them
in that they read as follows the pick six that wasn't,
which you just heard, the ground game that wasn't, the
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run defense that wasn't, the pass defense that wasn't, the
highly tutored up and comer defensive player who isn't. You
can all guess on who that might be, and the
pass protection that wasn't. That's the theme. It's what didn't
and wasn't happening, and it's that's why I think the
old poll ad quote about total system failure applies in
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this case. Now, can you, on a given Sunday or Thursday,
get a spark from the most important position on the
field that seems to transcend all of your other problems.
The answer is yes, it does happen. It usually doesn't
isn't sustained if you don't deal with those other failures,
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But absolutely it can. It can make you feel like
the weights off of your team's shoulders, that somebody has
come through with a couple of plays, exciting plays, or
just seems to turn it. So I'm not ruling that
out about putting in a new quarterback. Even JJ McCarthy
as inadequate as he looked the last time we saw him.
Those things can indeed happen. But I defy you, as
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I said, to watch that game and say, we just
got to take care of the offense. We just got
to get healthy on the offensive line. How does that
explain a defense that now every time it plays a
legitimate quarterback, well legitimate to good quarterback, gets diced up.
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I mean, that was not even close to competitive defensively,
And I am firmly convinced if Harbaugh wanted to be
a jackass, they might have and if it was a
closer game, Chargers might have been able to score fifty.
I really believe that. I mean, at some point they
went to that other mode and said, all right, we
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can just kind of play this game out. We can
settle for field goals. We will just will keep tacking
up points there and we're going to be fine in
this game. But that play that wasn't very early in
the game, I think set the tone because everything was
in the wasn't category in every classification. There was no
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run defense, there was no pass defense, there was no
pass protection, and yes, there really was no legitimate quarterback play.
But I'll say again, I will defy you to watch,
especially in the first and second quarters, of what Wentz
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was dealing with in terms of pressure, and tell me
that anybody, even somebody throwing a little better than he
has tended to, was going to be able to do
anything with that on that given night. I think I
understand human nature. Human nature is you want to think
there's a way out because the alternative is too devastating.
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The alternative is we're just not very good, so you
want to go, oh, way out, Brosemann, way out of
the quarterback. And it look, I've said all along, I've
been unfairly accused of being a wentz apologist. No, it's
not that so much as I've tended to defend him
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from some of the onslaught because people have gotten irrational
in not paying attention to other aspects of this team.
But what I said all along was the assumption is
once will come back to the pack for whatever the reason,
even if some it's not his fault, and when he
does the decisions, the decision is easy. The decision's now easy.
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There's no drama, there's nothing else to think about.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
It's done.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Vikings. When they play next against the Detroit Lions on
is it November two. You double check the date. It's
early November. It is November two. JJ McCarthy will be
the starting quarterback now. The only way that he isn't
is if he's hurt, right, I mean, are still isn't
healthy enough to play? That's the only reason. But it's
now McCarthy's team again. And at this point what you
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go with is you can't even necessarily worry about whether
that means the season's lost and you're going to have
to deal with a lot of McCarthy mistakes. You don't
have any alternatives that you're excited about. Now for some people,
it'll be Brozemer still. And what's ironic about it is,
can we all agree that if Max Brosmer had played
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at Tulane, nobody, nobody would be clamoring for what we
got gotta put out there? Put him out there instead
of JJ? What are we basing the belief that he's
a better option right now than JJ McCarthy, As someone
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has been pretty hard on JJ? What what what's the basis
of that college careers? Oh, did Michigan kids did pretty good?
Had better infrastructure around him and did pretty good. It's
the it's it's the backup quarterback syndrome. That's now to
the tenth power because we remember him he was a golfer,
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and there's the gopher hole of his hoolization of the
culture that is good at now. I've I've nurtured some
of it as fifty percent a bit, and sadly we've
got a lot of people who believe it to that extent.
And I don't know. And again am I ruling out
the possibility that's somewhere down the road JJ McCarthy, I
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should say bro Brosemer will end up having a better
pro career than JJ McCarthy. No, I'm not, because we've
seen weird things happen, but there's really no evidence, even
from a scientific standpoint, an analytics standpoint, historic standpoint, to
think that, yeah, I'll play those odds. It's because he've
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played here for one year and we like saying the
name Brozmer, and I think we kind of like the
first name Max too. And he seems to be everywhere.
When he's not with the Vikings, he's in another Gopher game,
and he's on the sidelines, and he's always coaching, and
he's always doing you know, maybe he should have five
different jobs I don't know. Top of the eye break
Ben Gessling at about thirty more vikings, talking points to
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get to and maybe even a little conversation on Gopher's eye.
Iowa a big game tomorrow for the Gophers because you
got to capitalize on what they did against Nebraska. If
you turn around and lay an egg in Iowa City,
a lot of bat juice goes away. It's about building
on the way you played in very convincing fashion. Not
(48:16):
that far from here. Last was that Saturday night the
Saturday night game? Yeah, it was against or was it
Friday night? Friday night game against the Nebraska cornhu
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