Lou Nanne - Bumper to Bumper 1/6/26 Hour Two

Lou Nanne makes his weekly appearance to recap the World Junior hockey tournament and talk Minnesota Wild.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wish the American media would take a great look
at the views of the people in Congress and find
out how they pull America or anti America esser.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Because people have got to know whether or not they're
presidents are more casting us no idea. Excuse me, excuse me.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
That's too good. They're similar, that's very similar. So politically
for sure. They watched it at Yeah, they're locked. They're
watching them around the world from yeah, right down there.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Now you ain't here. We know that. You kidding me?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
What thirty seven degrees and gross and slushy and icy
one minute and then like a lake the other minute.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, I mean there's no chance he's here. Well, you
want to know the best part. We have not talked
about this. I had Luigi on last Tuesday while you
were gone, and I was forecasting. I was looking ahead
and said, well, the World Juniors wraps up Monday, January fifth,
so I assume you're going to be on that first
flight out six am Tuesday. And he said, you're close.
I don't have any duties at the championship game. I'm

(01:17):
leaving Monday. It's amazing, Is that true? You're unbelievable. I
tried to get him to drive. I tried to work
my magic to make him like drop the puck at
the championship game or something, but I didn't go Now.
He said he dropped it the first game and that
was it. But yeah, it was beautiful. It was vintage Luigi.
I thought my job's done. We can go home now.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
As the joker said.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
You're the guy, you're the vote. I mean, you're the
poster person for this event, and you're not here for.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I had very nice okay, and I I uh the
last day three, so it worked out perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I've got it off the wall. Question before we get
caught up on a lot of stuff. It's good to
hear your voice once again, because somebody we've been talking
a lot of vikings the first hour with Kevin Seffert,
and somebody said, somebody just said a text. This is
Joe from Bimidgie. I got an idea, Dan, trade Kevin
O'Connell to a team looking for a head coach for
two or three first round draft picks. Then you can

(02:15):
make floor as our new head coach. We have heard
of trades of coaches in the NFL. Refresh my memory.
Has there ever been an NHL head coach traded for
players or draft choices or other considerations.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know, I kind of think there was one traded
for a player years back, and I can't remember what it.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Was, but nothing comes to mind. You know, football don't
not any like my legendary games. Okay, no, no, there
might have been one in hockey, but yeah, nothing, you recall,
All right, let's before we talked a while, let's talk juniors.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
In fact, I want to read you guards.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
He brought this to my attention and it is a
good maybe conversation starter having to do with Team Canada.
And I don't know who Hockey Think Tank is, but
seem to have some belief that there's some things going
on with Team Canada at World Juniors that were concerning.
Let me read you a couple of things that's at
least theorized here regarding the team's performance. After bouying out

(03:18):
to Chetcha again read a lot about roster construction, team toughness,
players were used, how players are using in a tournament.
These things may have been an issue, but reality is
the problem runs way deeper.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Here's what he lays out.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
One Canada has way fewer youth boys playing hockey than
it did a decade ago. And really that's the one
that he builds on. Throughout that community programs have been
replaced by for profit entities, leading to higher costs and
more pressure. Development has been replaced by super teams and

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rogue slash outlaw leagues outside of Hockey Canada even before
kids are eight years old. Ontario just got rid of
residence residency rules, which will only lead to less accountability
and more club hopping.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So have you heard any about any of these things?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
And as a guy who's obviously knows both countries and
the hockey programs in both countries very well, do you agree?
Are you concerned by this being part of what's going
on north of the border.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
They are concerned about what's going on north of the border.
As a matter of fact. Brendan Chan and former president
of Maple Leafs and the Hall of Fame hockey player,
one of the all time greats, and that's a wonderful guy.
And they let him go last year before last in
Toronto and he was hired by I think it's the

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Ontario Hockey Association. They come with I take a look
at the whole program overall, because they're very what's going
on with the coaching about developing these hits, and I
think that they are looking for Wait hockey.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Put Louis on hold.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
We got a little bit of a signal issue, which
rarely happens with Luigi. I never really established where he was.
I'm assuming he's.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
In Florida, but we'll try to find out, maybe get
to a little bit better signal.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Top five to five coming up, as well as some
a section review that I really didn't intend to do today,
but on the basis of a question and answer session
involving the Governor, I think I feel compelled to go.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Down that road some more.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We may be joined by Andy Lueger tomorrow on that
topic and a couple of other things as well that's
still in the negotiating works. And I did put in
a call to our international terror big knocker, not just
terror but geopolitical big knocker, Michael Hurley, and he's not

(05:54):
gotten backed me yet, which means he might be out
of the country, but hoping to get him on for
all the obvious reasons this week as well. Louis is
indeed back with us. We caught a lot of what
you where you're going with that. It just kind of
faded out a little bit, so just sort of try
to pick up where you left off.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I was saying. The Interior Appreciation is very concerned about
the development of players right now. They ared Brendan Shanahan
to take a look at and come up with some
thoughts and ideas because right now it seems that they're
just focusing the coaches are too much on systems rather
than developing hockey players. And you know, the odd fact
that they don't want out there publicize, but the Czech

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team that they had more players. They had nineteen players
from junior hockey. Basically they had more players from Western
Canada than Western Canada had on the Canadian team. Wow.
So there are some deep concerns that they're looking at
and trying to traden out. And you know, there's a

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lot of things to come into play. Yeah, there might
be less kids technically it's money, but it's it's also
the way they're teaching them. And the US three D
went way ahead of Canada as far as thought process
when they started developing players through the USA program, you know,
on the under seventeens, under eighteens, by having the top

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ones going to ann Arbor to develop, and that's why
the US shut up so much higher in kids drafting
in the first and second rounds and had been there before.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Let's next, I guess talk about I was obviously gone
for a lot of this, But tell me about what
struck you regarding the I know, you know, disappointing finish
for the US team as well.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Well. There were a couple of things, but I, frankly,
I didn't expect the US to win. They lost eight
or nine guys that were really good last year, and
I looking at it in June, I was just hoping
that they would get to the play and to the quarterfinals,
which they did, and I frankly I picked, you know,

(08:05):
them to go out early. I was just all I said.
The game the quarterfinals, they said, all I want to
do is just get the semifinals because I think the
other teams are deeper. You know, they had killed through
two gold medal winning teams and you just don't stay
on top all the time. And they they did play
a good enough game to win when they got knocked out,

(08:27):
but they I couldn't believe they couldn't score goal. That
was probably the best game they played. And then by
far the most chances they had in the game, and
they just went dry, they couldn't score it and finished gold.
It was tremendous, tremendous, I can't tell you while they played.
And so that was the disappointing fact. And because I

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really wanted to see a Canada USA game in the
semifinals and it would have been just sold easily, and
both teams, you know, would have been competing with that
kind of entially and we're taking some breaks for Canada
to win. But I think here's the irony of it.
If Canada would have won that game, did they got

(09:10):
to play the US? That's the way the draw would
have gone. And I think US would have, you know,
been beaten by Canada, which means Canada got to the
gold medal round and and they had beaten this you
know Swedes and the exhibition games, they might have got
a gold medal and they ended up with a bronze.
That's just the way things fall, you know, in the draw.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Did the best team win?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I thought it did. I actually it was between them
and the Checks. I I said earlier to my brother
was down here visiting. I said, Check should have won
the first game they played, I said, I don't know
if Canada could beat them in the other game, and
they didn't, and checks were really good too, But overall
I'd have to give the edge to Sweden the way

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they moved apart to the things they did, but check
was really good, really good.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
What do the is there a is there a distinction
of significant distinction when we're talking about players of these ages?
This part of the development developmental process in how the
Scandinavian countries groom their players or is it become almost
the same, you know, to a certain extent the same everywhere?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Does anything stand out?

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, I think that it's starting to get closes, especially
the US is doing more of it. But in the past,
you're right, they were far ahead in fundamentals. They they
would really work on skating and passing and shooting, moving
the park. They they definitely were nearly playing as aggressive
or very good at contact ball, and they had more

(10:43):
room with the bigger rings. But the extent and fundamentals
with those, especially Sweden, Finland, those countries were a dynamic
as the lower Agebles and and other teams about over
there have taken a page from that instead of do

(11:05):
things that you should be done with kids in developing
them and the fs becoming the lockos are as far
the development styles.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That's if I recall it wasn't that a lot of
what appeal to Herbie about that that style of game,
the purity of their game.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Exactly. You know, playing in so many games against the
international competition, and especially against Russia who used to be
like a drum uh and, and they'd have puck so
much during the game. And you never throw a bucket,
you know, if you if you watch the telecast, every

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telecast that no, I don't care who's doing it. Then
you talk to player, what are you going to do?
You gotta get indeed, have the investment turned beat him
back down there. Russians would never do that. Never, they
just kept handling and regrouping, and that really appealed to
Herbie too. It's goney boning like that after and so
that's where you know, some of them I think really

(12:09):
had a leg up in some of the other coaches
that just like the dump and chase.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, it's hard for me to believe being of Herbie,
he's been gone now over twenty two years. That's just
stunning to me when I think about it. Twenty more
than twenty years.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
That is crazy. That is crazy. You know when you
think of he was probably sixty six when he died
and it had been you know, eighty eighty eighty nine.
Baub Boltford died the night before last year, right, and
they were all the same age, And how that time's
gone by. It's just it's like it was last week.

(12:49):
It's nuts to think.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
About it is, you know, I think about, like even
these kinds of conversations, just how much you miss not
talking to him, right, I mean because you guys were
similar in some ways but very different, but just a
guy who could talk about any of this stuff, you know,
and debate and fire back and not take it personally
the whole bit.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's, uh, it's what a loss you don't.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Every once in a while you just remember, you know,
people who've been gone a while and say, man, it's
just it's it still feels like there's a void there.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Oh, yeah, definitely, because there is there is.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's exactly right, one hundred percent true. Let's talk a
little bit about well, let me finish on the juniors.
So what's the I guess the overarching message, how do
you think it went in general. I had somebody had
texted earlier that they were frustrated by some of the
ticket prices and they wish there could have been some
things done there. Talk to me about the junior's experience here,

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how it went, how it can get better, how we
should look back on it in general.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Well, I can understand when they said good braces were high,
I know, and you would like to see the prices?
Do that they down as we posted to the tournament
that taper, I said, uh, and and we were very
disappointed at more Canadians income because of uh, you know,

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just a bad taste in their mouth for one reason
or the other. And that would have been that would
have been good because just one night New Year's a
very crossed marrych Urena and and I talked to I
think my cousins, the photologists on that team, and they
really really loved the admosphere and that night, and I

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was hoping that the other teams not from US Canna,
but even able to come from Afar, because all those
teams are CONTIGENTUS fans, which I really enjoyed seeing you
go very Urena to be like balking because they weren't
nearly as full and uh in the main games, like
both the bronze medal game and you know you were

(15:07):
of light that you sold out and they weren't. And
that's the only thing that was the only thing that
wanted to me. The hockey was fantastic. The people loved it.
I had a lot of interaction with people from other
countries and that I mean funny with my cousin's wife
and they have been drawn up down peace during the

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tournament and person she said to me, I can't believe
this is just like Canada. I said, That's what I
tell everybody. They don't realize that. She said that the
people they had looks and everything she said, it was
like I never left and and that's what I really liked.
And I liked the exposure for the state that I

(15:50):
got all over the world, the broadcasters talking about it,
and Wendy Blackshaw and her crowd. Minnesota Sports and event
are so good at what they do. The people, the
dignitaries that I talked to and came to our functions,
they were so pressed by Ald did award. It made

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it so enjoyable for the fans. The things that get
a right spot. It was a hit.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Maybe we'll try to work on Luigi's phone one more time.
But as we do significant breaking National Football League news,
a couple of media jackals, a couple of the big shots,
a couple of the big knockers, are reporting that John
Harbaugh is out as the Baltimore Ravens head coach. I
think he's been the head coach in Baltimore since two

(16:47):
thousand and eight. That's pretty significant seniority. John Harbaugh out
very disappointing, crushing, soul crushing finish to that Sunday night.
You could blame it on the kicker. You can blame
it on whoever you want. But a couple of media
outlets saying that John Harbaugh is indeed dismissed, is out

(17:11):
as head coach I would have in Baltimore, which I
assume means, given the number of openings that he goes to,
if not the top of the list, close to the
top of the list of teams that are looking for coaches,
I would be surprised, in fact, if he does not.
Rashaan on Brian Cavian text line is open at six
four six eighty six. Do we give it one more try?

(17:33):
Do you think or all right, We're gonna give one
more try with Louis and if if we still have problems,
Louis will just bow out and end it. A little
bit early today, we brought to you by our good
friends at Camps as always, so we got i think
set the Olympic teams right. So anything in particular regarding
who's in who's out that struck you as a particularly interesting.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
I'm just surprised that Robertson, then you get picked for
the US and and I can understand what you know,
they say in essence are saying you got enough goal scorers,
But he was the leading goal scorer from November on.
He's got he had twenty three, twenty four roles, and
he's been through a lot of you know, big playoff
games with Dallas. So it surprised me that there was

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one or two guys I'm not going to name that
I thought that we're picked ahead of them. And the
same thing with the Canadian team. They they people in
a couple of defense when they picked. But you know
that's why we all have different cars and different homes.
We got different tastes. Yeah, and the same thing happens
to picking a team.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Uh, what did I don't know if you got the
chance to watch the Wild last night. Let's get caught
up because I haven't talked to you in a while.
Current condition of your favorite professional hockey team.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, they've had a really good trip. It's unfortunate that
last night they were a go scorer. They had some
good chances. But I figured be a tough series in
La and A. You know, a team that they they
always have tough games with. And I'm still happy. If
they can beat Seattle, that will be a tremendous trip

(19:12):
because then they're they're so close to already beating the
playoff position. I just want him to I'd like to
see him get the second to have homewise advantage. I
don't nobody's going to catch Colorado, they just don't lose,
but they certainly can catch Dallas, and frankly, I like
the way they look against Dallas. Dallas got some excellent players,

(19:36):
but so Wild, and I think that this could be
the year that while we're going to beat.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Them really okay, Well, certainly look forward to that. Any
new trade rumors you've heard or no.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
And I don't think you'll see any with them. The
only way I see them making a deal is going
to be around the deadline when they try and get
a rental player. They don't have to pay as much.
They'll have cat space. But I can't see anybody just
giving them a real good player for no assets. They
don't have the kind of assets. I think that you
got to tread to get the kind of player that
they're gonna need. That's that's the toughest thing. It's not

(20:12):
that they won't pay it. Let's pay. Yeah. You know,
if you're gonna give Craig Leopool a model, you got
to give him the name. Whatever it takes, he'll do
whatever it takes. He'll look billy, He'll give him a
free end, whatever it takes. Grit we want to do.
And that's a good part about it. That's a great
part about it, having him as the owner. I just
don't I don't know where they're gonna get the assets.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Finish with a couple of texts to an eight guy
Wrights shout out to the her Herbie Brooks Foundation. They
just donated five thousand dollars to my local rink where
my son played his mike hockey. The Woodland Whalers of
Duluth are thankful. That's a good reason to to bring
up Herby's name and memory, the ongoing legacy of the
Herbie Brooks Foundation. And Tony is checking in from Grand

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Rapids wants to know what you think the Olympic Games
in terms of odds on favorites. The Finland team, he writes,
looks pretty stacked to him, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I think they are good, but I think Canada's gonna
be the odds on favorite. I don't see anybody having
the kind of team Canada has except us. I think
we're the ones that can beat him. And other than that,
I think I think it's Canada and the US the
two best teams in the tournament.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
When are we going to see you again? April May.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I gotta come back and do my taxes, but.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
March, March at the earliest, I see. Okay, yeah, I understand.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I'm actually gonna go and do some games this week.
Next week, I mean, I'm gonna do the game as
the Buffalo, Toronto and Montreal, and they're gonna play back
with the team because I got to go to Fort
Myers the next game. It's easier to go back for
Minneapolis and it's from Montreal.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Seven six three seven six three.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Guy rights, different tastes are not why we have homes
different from Louis.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Very well playing.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Oh yeah, well I have a little bungalow.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
No, that's it your change. Yeah, you're downsizing, right.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, bungalow, A little bungalow.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, bungalow with probably eight bedrooms. Always good to catch up,
my friend. Happy New Year to you and yours. Mace
is heading your way tomorrow, Louis, be careful.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
We're going to talk with to Mace from Florida tomorrow
as well, So finally making it's coming out tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Flying.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think he's flying. He likes to drive, Yeah he does,
but I think he's flying. Told, ok, yeah, fair enough,
be aware.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I mean I got to get my wallet. I gotta
get my wallet ready. I got to buy dinner again.
He has a tough time opening I don't think he
knows the wallet.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
No, you're sadly, there's some truth to that.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
I'm gonna buy him. I'm gonna buy him one with zippers.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
There you go, that's it something that he can't Yeah,
they doesn't have to worry about opening it.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's just no zipper to close it up. We'll talk
to you.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Better take yeah, you better think.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, I'm getting there. It's slow, but sure. Thanks Luigi.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay, all your pleasure.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Lou Nanny kind enough to join us via the Connectico
Water Systems hotline his appearance. As always, we really appreciate
the fine work from kemps on keeping Luigi in your
homes through this radio program.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Year after year after year.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Guards he does remind me, Mason your face tomorrow, but
he will be in Florida by then. Finally, unlike Luigi,
he's kind of still dedicated.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
He loves it. Here to the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
He is.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
I do.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
So that's interesting. Let's pause here.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
We got a lot to get caught up on Top
five and five yet to come. We've got some a
section stuff to discuss, and who knows what else. Don't
go way back in a minute. You're in the fans.

(24:06):
We had a text that came in much earlier in
the program. I probably should have highlighted it or favorited it,
but it's We're going to be a little difficult to
go back now from someone who is listening to our
conversation with Kevin Seffert. The first segment with Seaffert was
largely about what I like to call Wagnerian opera at

(24:30):
the quarterback position for the Vikings, this passion play that
continues to play out in front of our eyes and
not really go the way it was supposed to go.
And he was exasperated. He said, do you understand that
the season is over? Are you going to keep talking
about the Vikings quarterback position? And I didn't have a

(24:52):
chance to say what I would say to him, which
is the answers yes only for the next nine months.
And I'll illustrate exactly why. A couple of minutes ago,
in the wake of the news that John Harbaugh apparently
has been dismissed by the Baltimore Ravens or he won't
he will not be coming back. I don't know what
his contract situation was. I assume he was still under contract.
The first text we got six to one to two. Guy,

(25:14):
does this leave the door open for Lamar Jackson to
come to Minnesota? Now that doesn't mean that's possibility, but
it means that's how folks are wired in this town.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Make no mistake about it.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Whether the Vikings win or lose, they are the top
dog in the Twin Cities. I'm not saying anything all
that I think revelatory or controversial. It's just that's the
nature of it. And if that's not something that interests you,
that's fine. You might be ready to move on. But

(25:48):
my god, the season just ended Sunday. The playoffs are
just about to begin. So generally there's a post mortem
period where you go, Okay, what went right, what went wrong?
Where do we go from here? And yet I think
again that quote illustrated just how deep into the mindset
of your average Minnesota sports roube the Vikings will continue

(26:10):
to be whether the season has been a success, a
seasonal boost, or the seasonal boost has been lost because
for us it has obviously.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Because there will be no postseason as well.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
I have no idea on Lamar, because I mean, my
working assumption would be if the Ravens did this, it's
more likely their intent is to find somebody else who
might be more quarterback friendly with Lamar, a quarterback wishing
to win with him and maybe gets you know, you'll
reach a new agreement with him. I think otherwise, you

(26:45):
keep if you think somebody's got to go. Then maybe
you say, well, no, we keep the quarterback or the
head coach because we believe in them, and maybe we
do try something else at the quarterback position. So anything's possible.
The name's going to come up just because of the
way it ended there. I don't know how Lamar feels.
I don't know how tight Lamar was with John Harbaugh.
Maybe he'll say, well, I don't want to mess with
anybody else. I want out. Who's to say it? It's

(27:08):
way too early. I'm assuming in a matter of minutes
there will be names circulating to replace John Harbor. I
don't know, because he's been there, like I said, since
the early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Crazy run. Yeah, he was the second longest tenured coach.
The only one that's been there longer is Tomlin, who
played on Sunday now, I go, Yeah, just a hillacious game.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I don't know if you caught much I did it.
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
We talked about it some yesterday while you were in
Ann Arbor with the Gopher women's basketball team, and it really,
I mean, all the cliches do apply that you can't
finish a regular season, you can't script.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It any better.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Than that game played out the way it played out,
and that's the best Aaron Rodgers has played all season.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
It was vintage. I found myself pulling hard for him.
It was hard not to. I loved the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Is either turner fifty or turn or seventy five yards passing.
He was throwing, not just short the dump off stuff
right down the field. It was almost like the ravens
kept going. They said, all right, well we'll drive again. Yep,
and hence that's going out. He's mad at the coach.
I mean, it had the whole thing. It was great.
Family be shown every five minutes. I loved that big
catch he did great. It had to feel again painful

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when you see that Aaron Rodgers, because it's hard human
nature would be.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
You're going to project, well what if? What if?

Speaker 4 (28:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Now, there's no guarantee it would have gone the same way.
We get it.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Our line was terrible and he might have been killed
five games into the season, but we saw it Sunday night.
Why I would have taken the plunge. I would have
taken the polar plunge on uh A Rodge for one
more year. Maybe we get him next year. Does he
have to go back to Pittsburgh even though he loves Tomlin. Yes,
he speaks very highly of Tomlin.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Everybody does. Everybody likes him. Very true.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
But I brought up that game because Lamar was asked
about it immediately after. You know, Lamar is one of
the quarterbacks that he doesn't you know, change or doing anything.
He just pulls up to the podium like Josh Allen
does that too. And somebody asked him, do you want
to work with Harbaugh again? And he basically deflected and said,
the game just ended. I'm not talking about that right now.
The game just ended.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
It wasn't an endorsement, but it was I thought an
interesting answer.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
I agree, and I think for better for worse, it
is likely that you're going to go offense this time, right,
you're gonna you if you got an asset like that QB,
who can sometimes be his own worst enemy but is
obviously very gifted and talented. Hell of a fourth down
throw he made on the what should be that's a
great point. Then you're going to say, we got to

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get We can't get a like a game manager head coach.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
We got to get a.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Head coach who's got a specialty and maybe a specialty
of running an offense. I guess the Vikings could offer Koc, you know,
for I mean, what what would we accept it?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Would we?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Would we insist upon two number ones for him?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, I think you also throw in Dereck Henry because
Koc is not gonna want to use him.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
It's a very good point. He's not gonna want him.
So did he should be gettable?

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
He should be cheap, very cheap to get it right,
he could be part of the trade. Yeah, I'm not
sure somebody else had a good Oh. I'd ask Louis
whether in the NHL any big name coach that ever
been traded? And he couldn't come up with anything. John
and Saint Paul I forgot to run this by. Louis

(30:24):
said that the Quebec nordis yep traded? Is it Michelle?
Is it brez or Berger? It's spelled b r E G.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Ok?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, to the Rangers for cash and a draft pick.
How far back does that go?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
That was, according to the quick AI synopsis, is fifty
to fifty at best. That was allegedly nineteen eighty seven. Ok,
it's almost forty years ago. I should have mentioned it
to him. I'm sure he would have remembered the name,
and he was probably in on the deal somehow and
just forgot. Yeah, that's also probably true. So we now
have is it seven openings now with the Harbor News

(30:59):
have to count him up. Yeah, there's six going into today.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I think.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I don't think anybody's been hired yet. Right, Allegedly your guy,
the former Brown's head coach Stefanski, is now at the
top of the Giants list.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Now will that change? I mean, I have to believe.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
John Harbaugh will be a popular choice somewhere.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Correct. He wants to keep coaching. He wants to keep.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Coaching, Yeah, that's true. Maybe he wants to take a
year off. I don't know, you know how many years
they owe him or any of that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Cardinals, Raiders, Browns, Falcons, Titans, Giants and now Ravens.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Does the long standing hitting miss Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray.
Kyler Murray interest you not really in the thread the
needle challenge for the adding a veteran to the Vikings
who wouldn't necessarily be anointed as the starter, but at
least would have starting experience. I don't I don't think

(31:56):
I touch him. I'm also now even know what his
money situation would be. I assume that would be wor
out where maybe Arizona pays for a decent amount of that.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I just don't think i'd want to get near him.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
No, And I don't if he has to play, how's
Kaoc going to make him play?

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, Like it has to be a good fit whatever
we think of it. We know how Koc likes to roll.
He was trying to make Josh Dobbs a pocket passer
correct two years ago like he's got now. Maybe this
year with McCarthy with nine has humbled him a little
bit and not humbled him that's not the right word,
but had him rethink some things that I can't just

(32:31):
plug my system these guys into my system and developed
them all the same way. And I'm sure it's more
complicated than what I'm making it out to be, but
it always seems like we're trying to get to, you know,
the three hundred level courses before you've figured out college rhetorick. Yeah,
and so that would I don't think those two would
be a good match. Maybe I'd be wrong, but I

(32:51):
just don't think it would be if.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
The Baltimore kicker makes that field goal, does Timin get
fired and does Aaron Rodgers not even think about coming
back and he's done?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, I mean, if who's just I mean, it was
that close.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I was convinced that, you know, you could see it
in the look on Rogers face, You're going, oh my god,
after everything I've done, everything I've done and everything, I'm
gonna end up getting kicked to the teeth again. And
I'm not suggesting anybody should have felt sorry for Aaron Rodgers,
but that's certainly the way it looked. But I don't
know if Tomlin. I tend to think Tomlin was not
in danger either way of being dismissed. But it isn't

(33:25):
an interesting what if for sure, and particularly as it
pertains to Rogers saying, Okay, I'm not gonna put my
body through this again.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's over. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
We we we didn't even make the postseason? And now
I think, who do they play?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Houston?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, they host Houston because they won the division. So
do we know who's favored in that game. I'm gonna
bet the Texans might be. I've got ESPN pulled up
right now they go with DraftKings. So they've got Houston
as three point favorites right now. Okay, that makes sense
because that's that's a chat.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
They are really good defensively, Yep, that's the Monday dice
them up. Then there's no telling where the Steelers are going,
and there's no telling what he could have done here.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Also, they're going to get their receiver back, right, that's right.
The two game suspension, yes, after he hit the fan
not ideal. He's going to be back, Dan mac Jones,
there is your thread. That's Western Wisconsin lab guy. We
have talked about him before. I don't know if you
could thread the needle with him because I don't know
if you can pay him enough, and I don't know

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if you can. My guess is he's going to have
an offer that's more sure thing in terms of playing
time than being brought in here as a guy who's
competing for the job. I also think there is a
chance you turn it into more of a circus with him.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I don't know. Would he make sense? Yes, after what
we saw from him.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I mean, you know, we like to give the quarterback
whisper the credit for rehabilitation, rehabilitating all these quarterbacks, but
including you know, Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones the short
time he was here. But maybe it's San Francisco should
be getting a decent amount.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Of that question.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Donald came from there to here, and Shanny knows what
he's doing with QBS and and look what Jones has
done under the tutelage of the same coaching stet.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Donald talked a ton about yeah, the year behind brock
perty and with Shanahan, what that meant for him.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, I'm reminded Jones, I think is under contract, So
it would have to be a trade in that case.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So it's not necessarily the money.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Or would it be is Daniel Jones, No, Matt Jones, oh,
mac jen Jones? Yeah, yeah, and I even then I
think ultimately there'd be there probably would have to be
money involved one way or another. This is happening not
for the last Well, you know, there's a scenario that's
playing out among Minnesota Vikings fans that we have.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'll just put it this way.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
We have been here at least once, maybe two times before.
I'll identify that, explain it and get back in just
a minute.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Here in the fan.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
It's the heat and the Wolves for the second time
in three games tonight from Target Center.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Tip Off is at seven.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
You can catch every shot, every dunk, every jaw dropping
play all season on the Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
iHeartRadio channel. Freezing fog? Is that your term? Is that
a weather terrorism term?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I'm just gonna read it. I'd never heard of it.
I'd mentioned it last hour. I'd never heard of it.
This is from the National Weather Service tonight. Areas of
fog before four am, then areas of fog after five am,
areas of freezing fog between four.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Am and five am. Can't make that up.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
How does fog freeze nowhere else in America?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Does this happen? What do we do in America? Not
very many plays? Oh my god, what a winter? What
a winter?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
And Louis refuses to participate it in any longer. Mace
Is finally, he said, taking the trip. He'll join us
from Florida tomorrow as well. How many times have we
been in exactly this situation regarding the Minnesota Vikings coaching situation.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
How many times.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Have we said, yeah, I like Koc, I think he's
fine for you know, as far as it goes. But
if you're telling me there's a chance that, let's say
Tom Brady, who's certainly got it, appears the ear of
the Raiders owner says, I'm not taking no for an

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answer from Brian Flores.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I want him to be our next head coach.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well, why don't we make this easy? We promote Brian
Flores to head coach here and we made koc might
be exactly what the elixir the Baltimore Ravens are looking
for a quarterback whisperer to work with Lamar Jackson and

(38:12):
everybody wins. How many times in the last forty years
of Vikings football have we been here where we've wanted
to trade or fire the head coach and promote the
defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Let's just go through it.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean, did we want to fire Denny for Billock
or and or dungeee?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Not at the time, Yeah, but afterwards we said that's
where we screwed up. Denny had you know, ultimately we
got to the Final four twice and then you know,
got killed one of those two games and should have
won the other one but didn't. So ultimately we were
disappointed by the postseason. After he went zero to three
his first three seasons in the postseason. So we looked

(38:54):
back and then we saw what Tony Dungee did later
as head coach and said, no controversy, no difficult he's
no challenges. We should have kept Dongeee even if it
meant we had to get rid of Denny and we've
probably he might still be the head coach.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, the hindsight ones are easier because in hindsight, Mike
Tomlin was defensive coordinator Yes for one season, correct, And
I always remember I was working with PA at the time.
I remember I talk about it all the time, the
very first defensive coordinator, the introduction to Mike Tomlin. I
think he was thirty four years old when he got

(39:29):
through a state job, right, And I was at the
old Winter Park and I was standing next to Row
before Yes, and I'm watching him conduct the press.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Conference and I'm like, oh my god, like this dude
has it. Whatever it is, he just has it.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And then the defense was good, and I'm thinking, as
the years going on, are we gonna lose Mike Tomlin
And everyone's like, no, he's been here ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
It's not gonna happen, Like.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Just saying if he gets an interview, I don't know
what organization is going, we'll pass.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And so you're saying we should never have left him,
let him walk out the door, no matter what it.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Took, even but even at the time, like Chili was
so weird. Yes, that one was more of a first
guest with Tomlin. The Dungee and Gelick were more difficult
because Denny had some pretty good success and obviously Childress
did too.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
And we're here again.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Like I said, there's people ready and not by the way, Well,
it's a little simplistic in that we don't know how
he would be as a head coach. It didn't work
the first time in Miami. I absolutely believe they put
this way. Who is the offensive coordinator in Kansas City?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
You remember former Bears head coach? Who is it? Matt Naggy.
Matt Nagy.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I think I saw a headline earlier today that
he's going to get another interview to be head coach.
And I'm just going to tell you the world is
bleeped up if Matt Naggy gets another chance to be
a head coach and Brian Flores, no matter what he
did wrong first time around, does not get another chance
to I don't care how many lawsuits are out there.

(40:54):
Whatever that makes it. That makes absolutely no sense to me,
but we don't know how it would go, but it's
it's it's to think that way, especially after this season.
We laid out the analytics stats, the deep stats on
the vikings in three areas offense, defense, special teams, and
the number that was in the upper to mid twenties

(41:14):
in terms of ranking was offense, and the numbers that
were both in the top ten. I think in fact,
special teams was six and defense was eight. So it's
easy to say, well, the offense is the thing not working.
So I know he's supposed to be a quarterback whisperer,
but it doesn't look very good to me. And they
squandered this season miscalculating what to expect from the kid quarterback.

(41:39):
So I don't think this is any of this is
likely to happen, But it's just fascinating to me here
that that's been that we haven't been in this exact
same place at least two other times where whether it
was after the fact or during in some cases, it
was let's just be ballsy and let's just get rid
of the head coach, even if he's not really done

(41:59):
another bad to be fired all to say, but we
want to keep the guy who's got a chance to
be a legend. Doungee became a legend, right he did.
There's hot less. Tomley became a legend. BI won a
Super Bowl and we had him here. Not anymore as coordinators,
I know, Although do you feel like other places have
had it like us here?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Are we unique in that?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I don't know enough attention to others.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I'm sure there's some other examples of it.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Although I still think it's possible that if PJ ends
up for whatever reason saying it's time to move on,
that we could get Doungee to run the go for football.
I still don't think that's a pipe dream. I really don't.
I think there's always a chance. And he might say,
you know, I look back on my life, it's been
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
In a lot of ways. It all startled in other ways.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
But I always wondered what it might have been like
for me to run the Golden Gopher football program.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
We're only like six or seven years removed from people
actually saying that's true, Like every.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Job, right, that's true? Otherwise otherwise, all right, top five
is coming up?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
What he got We've got to talk about the John
Harbaugh News because that's a major seismic domino in the
National Football League. The wild Lows and the Wolves back
in action tonight. Will Anthony Edwards play or will he
not