October 21, 2025 • 44 mins
Lou Nanne makes his weekly appearance on the show, this time on the road with the Wild as he continues his first run of TV analysis before our friend Andy Luger joins in-studio for the an hour!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Well, she sneaks around the world shouting in the world, no.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Nanny, this wild Avengers dame, and whoever this commentator is
is like the chillest dude on the planet. Like he's
borerling putting me to sleep. I don't know who this
guy is, but.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Okay, interesting a sound bite referring to our our guest.
I wonder how Luigi will take it. Will he take
it as a compliment or will he take it as
a bit of savagery.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Which way do you go?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Louis, Well, I take it as a compliment. I'm gonna
start talking to myself so I can get to sleep. There.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Maybe that's the ticket. That's I hadn't even thought of that.
Maybe that's the answer.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yeah, you record.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What you could do is.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Record yourself and then that way you don't actually have
to be talking. It's hard to fall asleep while you're talking,
but it would be your voice putting you to sleep.
How good is that?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
See you taught me there, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Send.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Yeah, we got to send you some of your podcasts
with Dan. Yeah, the chillis dude on the planet, lou Nannie,
that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, how did you find that?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
The traveling secretary Dominic Henny his wife send it to Minneapolis.
We got thousands of falls on this in this comments.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's too good.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I don't know what TikTok is, so I'm not into that,
you know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, well I'm familiar with it because my daughter is,
but yeah, I'm not. I don't spend a lot of
time on it either. But it's big, Louis. They tell
me it's really really, really really big. So that's good,
of course, Luigi of tracking the Minnesota while on the
road trip dayline New York last night, and we.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Get a victory. We get a victory.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
We played a team that was struggling offensively even more
than we were.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
No, they're struggling more at home.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Exact quarter goal.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yes, they hadn't scored a goal and we got into
seven and a half minutes. They would have set the
record going back to nineteen twenty six or twenty eight
for they would have broke the record. It would have
been the longs ever going without a goal like that
at home. And they scored fifty seven seconds in the
first period, so they didn't get that part of it.
But the fact was they got one. You would expect
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that they were going to get a lot more. They
finally broke and got off the schnag, you know, but
they didn't. And it was really a fun game. It
was an exciting game. But the Wild played so well.
The Wild were just moving their feet continually. They were
moving the puck, getting pucks out quickly. They were suboarding
one another. The goaltenders on both teams were terrific. They
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both had to make sensational saves to keep it close.
And I was happy. Europe got the first goal and
he got it in Madison Square Gardens against maybe he's
the best school at dinner in the league. Another Russians
should stirk in and ca Breese off and had six
family members there. The mom and dad were there, and
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he got the third one in the open net. So
Russians had a big night, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's it's it's interesting to me because Guardian, I've talked
about this both on radio and TV, and I don't
know if you and I have talked about it recently.
You have, you know, a lot of forces that are
I think, to a certain extent, to certain I guess
you'd say, contradicting each other. For this team, On the
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one hand, you've got some veterans okay, and you have
a team that is hungry to get out of the
first round right of the playoffs. Haven't done that in
ten years. The other hand, I think it's common knowledge
that you got to find out among some of these
young guys whether any of them or enough of them
can ascend right, get better and become an important part
of the solution. And the danger, as you know, of
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playing young guys sometimes is they can screw up. And
so I think there's a tendency on a team that's
kind of been stuck in the middle, like the Wild
to not want to risk that. So how does this
team go about threading the needle? Louis on still trying
to compete in the present, but still also coming to
grips with we've got to evaluate these play these young guys,
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And the only way we can we can truly evaluate
them isn't just from practice, especially once the season begins.
It has to be in games itself. How do you
thread that needle? How do you how do you know
perfect that balancing act.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And has to be in games itself, And I know
coaches get upset and not say it coach for all
starting one the assistant coaches talking about the game and
being made a mistake. A hey, he's a kid, nineteen,
he's sensational, he's the best defensive defense. When you got
let him make mistakes. You can't be putting this guy
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down on the miners and you no, no, no, wouldn't
do that. But he left to learn. I seeah, he's nineteen,
but the last guy and has made the mistakes on
the cross, so don't worry about it, you know. So
you let these guys grow, and I was happy they
did the same with Europe that you know, Europs made
a couple of mistakes and as she was involved in
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that first goal on the coverage, but they got They
have skills and talents that will grow. And the good
part about it, when they're young and skilled and talented
like that talent, they'll grow faster and make more positive
contributions than their negative mistakes will make because they have
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a unique skill tell you content and I love watching them.
I think that had there not been these injuries that
the WHILE suffered early on, they got a significant injuries
right now without without the Corilla and Rossi and Mouvosian,
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they might not have been in the lineup and now
it's I mean, now you're going to find out that
they're going to pass other guys in the lineup well
by the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And then you have to watch who you're playing with too,
if they if there's some deficiency that have to be
covered that you you know are significant and you want
to make sure you want to play them, but you
still have to, you know, cover up for some of
the things that individual does, and you play them with
more experienced guys than it can help them in that area.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Louis Is as always has brought to us by Camps.
We appreciate their fine support for this segment. Will remind
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many of you have regarding hockey questions for Luigi and
we'll mix it and some other stuff. I got a
couple of other things I want to get to with
him a little bit later as well outside the world
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of hockey. You know, a year ago this team got
off to a terrific start, right and then they had
some injuries and then they started coming back to the
table and then it Ultimately it basically went down if
you were called to the last day. For God's sake,
one extra goal was the difference between making it and
not making it. So, knowing what you know about the
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slog of a season that this is, how should the
Wild approach the regular season? Because we all know sooner
or later it's got to be about getting out of
the first round. How do they you know that there's
that question about, Well, the best way to prepare yourself
to make a playoff run is to use the regular
season as a sounding board to figure some stuff out,
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to experiment, to change, use different lineups, to use some
of the kids. Now, the downside has got to make
sure you make the playoffs, obviously, but so it's another
balancing act. I think that's really important in terms of
the proper approach you think this team should take this season.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, it is. It is a balancey knck. But I
really believe that you have to let these kids grow
because the one good thing that they have got going
for them the core of this hockey team. The best
players are young. The best players are young, so you
you've got a long runway with them. But they have
to start, you know, skating on that runway. You've got
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to start using them, which they're doing, especially a couple
of them. You know, I can see William and eure
Off making mistakes. But they've got to be patient and
let them play because by the end of the year,
those two guys are going to be, I think, much
better than some of the guys that they got in
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the line up right now. And Billiam's not even going
to be that long right now, he's the best defensive
defenseman they got. Yeah, let's see the defensively. But if
he didn't, he be in the first, first name most
right now. You know, you got to you gotta learn
to play this game. Sure, and he's only nineteen. So
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when when I watch him out there with the poison,
with the puck in his own zone, in traffic and
under pressure, and it's like he's out having a walk
in the park, he doesn't show the effect of having
pressure on him. He doesn't seem nervous or concerned. He
just makes the movie. He thinks to get free, and
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he gets free, and he moves the puck up every
now and then he might get checked, and that's what
the hockey is. You're supposed to check the opposition and
sometimes they're going to get him. But I'm so impressed
by how he's been able to get the fuck out
of the zone the zone, gets the puck up bikes
and on the power play because they're able to have
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him in the park play. He has such a good
presence bringing the puck up ice. If it looks like
the guy they're going to cut off his drop pass
back because they always have two forwards come behind, he
just skates the puck in. You know what's happened last year,
The power play wasn't very good. They weren't getting any
good entries in the zone when I was watching, so
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they had to put Marcus Johansson, who is really good
at bringing the pucks up over the blue line and
getting in the zone. Now they don't have to put
him on the first one. So now they got better
players on the first power play up front because Biams
always finds the way to get that buck in the zone,
and they can use Johnson on the second to bring
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a better balance to it. And now you're off up front.
He's been checking, he's been making good plays. He set
up his linemates the last couple of games three times
where somebody should have a goal, and they were able
to use them at center. They started them at the
wing early on. They didn't want to put all that
pressure on him. And he played center in the KHL
and he had a terrific a couple of years there.
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The last year he was scoring machine too. So you
have to let him get comfortable, especially above everything else.
He can't speak English, can't even talk, and here he
is playing the best league in the world and playing
as a youngster. He has the ability, but he's going
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to find his way, and he's not going to find
his way, you know, you know, unless he gets the
opportunity to play against good guys and figure it out.
And that's what he's doing, I think, and hopefully Ober
it comes through too, because he can. Then you've got
those three and by the way, Walston, I hope he continues.
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But his for three games have been sensational, been sensational.
He never had a good year last year. Everybody's getting
concerned that we're going to have to play got fifty
five sixty games now. The way he's playing, it's like
they're going to alternate a lot of times. And so
I think if he continues playing like that that's a
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fourth youngster that they'll have on a team and in
one year. So I like. I like the fact that
if they can win something and stay in the race
with these young guys, they'll be better suited for the
playoffs and more ready with more depth than they've had before.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Speaking of language, it's interesting, as you were talking about that,
Tony from Grand Rapids had asked this question earlier. Do
younger players like that also have a language barrier on
top of youth?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I would think so. I I never played with anyone
who had that situation, and and I just, you know,
I just think, if I'm on the ice with someone
and I want to communicate with my dumb I'm breaking,
I'm behind you go wide whatever, What's he going to
say something in Russia and you don't know what he's
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talking about it? What are you going to say something
in the which she doesn't know about? I mean, Caprice
sounds like a professor right now next to he's translating
for him, you know, and Carilla Carol never spoke English
when he first gave me either. So it's good. I
just I'm I'm excited about him. I'm really excited about him.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Anything.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
They made a good pick.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
There, uh six five.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
One guy asks if there's any possibility of the Wild
going after Panerin.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
They First of all, they wouldn't have cap space for
him right now because Penaia is about eleven million dollars,
and I think they only get four and a half.
But New York's not gonna treat Banerin and Panera's got
no trade clove. Panera's gonna not gonna leave New York.
That's why I was really concerned about Caprice off because
the Russians come here and they all want to go
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to New York. See New York being New York, it's
it's a big thing for them. And and uh Pani,
and he's the best player on our team. They're not
going to let that guy got me. Let me tell you.
They're telling tickets in New York Lower bowls one hundred
and ninety dollars tomorrow. They're going to play in New Jersey.
Here the Wild Art and the lower bowls sixty three dollars.
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Canaries can be. You can't tell your star and say, okay,
give me an undred ninety dollars for a ticket.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's a very fair point.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
That's very true college hockey question for you. I think
if five or seven guy, this has been out of
man Cato, he might have asked this last week and
I didn't get it to you in time. Can you
ask me why man Cato has been passed over for
membership to NCCHC conference in favor of Saint Thomas and
Arizona State. W h A and NCC should merge for
a super conference with East and West divisions that's been
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in man Cato.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I don't know if they put enough pressure on to
do it. And I like his idea. I wish some
of these conferences would get together and those two that
would make a lot of sense and a lot many
times it goes to the travel and it goes to
what the other teams in the conference think about going
to Mankato or having Manyato comes to their place. And
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Cato has been a big name of college hockey for
a while. They've had a great deal of success in
the last ten fifteen years. They've they've been to the
Frozen Four, they've they've won their league championships. That mckidda
and they got an excellent program and I got a
nice rink to play, and he wonders sometimes how they
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do make those decisions.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Saying, with college hockey for a second, give me your
early read on your Golden Golpher Men's club.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, it's kids learning only the wild. We're talking about
two kids in the lineup right now upfront and one
on the goal learning. The golfers lost eleven guys, you know,
so you just don't and inject eleven guys in the
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lineup and expect to be at a top their wrong
college program right away. They got to learn the game.
They got to learn how to play. College hockey is
really good. It's really good. It's significantly better than junior hockey.
And that's where the air of high school hockey on
top of that even another rung lower. And that's what
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these guys are in the lineup right now. Great skill,
great capability, great futures ahead of them, but a lot
of learning ahead of them as well. And so I
like the fact that they're that talented. They're explosives. You
know that they can win games, but you also know
they can lose games by not knowing how to play completely.
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And you're not going to learn this game overnight. And
they vote for them by the end of the year.
I really believe they're going to be much better than
they are now. Not that they're bad now, but they're
learning now and they're going to get beatn by some
good teams. But they got a tough schedule, they're going
to play the best teams and they're going to grow
by the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Uh So on this trip, you still got Jersey with
the while tomorrow night, correct, right right, tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That's gonna be a tough game.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Awesome, tell me about it. Give me a Scotty report.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Well, the Jersey's really fast, really fast, and they have
a couple of tremendous for Jack Hughes, who's number one
pick a few years ago, and he's healthy and he's
good at all ascets to the game, but especially carrying
the puck and moving the puck scoring goals. And Chasper
Brad I think they drafted him in the fourth round.
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He's an unbelievable talent. And what they have is they
got a very good defense from moving the puck. They
got Dougie Hamilton back, who was one of the best
defense in the league for a long time before he
got hurt. He's big, but he's also UH real great
defensive defenseman. They had Luke Hughes, the other Hughes, Jack's
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younger brother. There's three Hughes in the NHL right now,
and he came out of Michigan too, and he's growing
into his role real well. They got very good balance
in front. They got Nico Herscher as their captain. He's
a guy from UH Switzerland and just he was the
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number one pick too, and he's really all around player,
good all around players. So they got very good balance
upfronts and they're strong where you want to be strong
down the middle. Their centers excellent, their golden solid in
their defense, really good at moving the puck. So it's
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going to be a test tomorrow night. It's going to
be a real test tomorre night. The good thing about
the while they're coming off a game where they started
to use speedy, they were their game that they play
on in Washington. They got up shut forty five to fifteen.
It reminded me a game we were playing in the
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Centennial Tournament in Winnipeg. I don't know if I told
you this before. We were playing the Russians and it
was the pre Olympic tournament, and there was a you know,
it was a big tournament Canada. In the first six
minutes the Russians, we never touched the puck. And while
the game's going on, that's when Mariacci threw another buck
in the ice and the referee blows the whistle comes over.
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What are you doing? And Marychie says, we want to
play too, And that was the same thing that it
looked like Washington did to the war while the other night.
Now they never touched the puck. That's a but then
then they came on from there and and they got
better in Philly. They should have won the game in
Stilly Erics and I had a wide open, wide open
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that he hit the pipe, rebound comes, don't they take
the puck down the ice and and Philly wins in overtime.
And then they did get to their game against New
York the all away. So I'm open that progression continues
tomorrow night. Then it's going to be an excellent game
to watch and be a fast game to watch, but
the while to be able to win it if they
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played the way they were playing last night.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
You know, you do a good job of staying connected
to the team regardless of where you are. But I'm
wondering how much more you feel you do and can
pick up when you're around the team more regularly, like
on this road trip.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Oh a lot. That's an excellent question. That it's like
anything else. I guess you get on the inside. Some
of the other guys might not. But I'd like to
talk to blayers and coaches and this morning extent twenty
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five minutes, thirty minutes yep, questioning one of the coaches
about their defensive system and play and why they do
this and not this. And I wouldn't be doing that
if I'm with home watching the games of TV or
just in the stands watching so I get a better
understanding of why they're doing some things, you know. And
and still it's different to the game is so much
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different than it was when I was involved in it.
It's got and these guys are faster and they and
they use different systems and and it's something that I
can see and I question and want to know their
reasoning for things and and and that's what I used
to do when when I was a general manager. I
come down after the game, sit down with the coach
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and say, why did you do this, Why did you
do that? Why'd you do that? And if they wanted
to do find me and and they say, was that it? Yeah?
I just want to understand your thinking and and and
and when I'm here with the team like that, I
get to pick up a lot that I.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Wouldn't last item for you as a This question is
for a sports fan, not necessarily just a hockey guy,
because I know you you think more broadly than at
for sure, and we frankly have not spent enough time
on this show, on the show, Hey o'tani story what
he pulled off the other night, six shotout innings, ten
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strikeouts and three home runs, one of them out of
Dodger Stadium, which is not exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Easy to do.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I you know, I don't even know where to begin.
People are trying to decide where does that performance rank.
I don't know if it's first, second, third, or fourth.
I just know that it's otherworldly and we should not
take that kind of performance for granted.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
What is the best picture from that night that you
can remember. I'll tell you what it is in my mind.
Go ahead, It's when he hit the one out of
the stadium and they panned the Dodger dug.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes, yes you saw, and he saw a couple of.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Them with their hands in their hands, like what the hell? Yes,
it was unbelievable. That picture will see in my mind. Well,
Kanie happened to be one of my favorite players. I
had this thing that goes back to when I was
a youngster. I used to play more baseball than hockey,
and I used to love the Tigers. Like I said,
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I went watching the Detroit Tigers from when I was
six years old every year to twenty And because I
liked the Detroit Tigers so much, I hated the New
York Gangs. And we used to have a Sunday game
in my neighbor the Tigers against the Inks. And so
I became a big Tiger fan because I hated the Inks.
So because I hated the Yanks, I loved the Brooklyn Dodgers.
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So I've always been a Dodger fan. When they moved
to LA American League, I'm Detroit Tigers, National League, I'm
a Los Angeles Dodgers. So now I've been you know,
I followed the Dodgers, and I mean, I can't believe
on much money they spent. But this guy in seven
hundred million. But my god, last night after the game,
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we all went to they had food for us back
at the hotel and we got the game on, and
I'm I'm actually excited that Toronto's going to win because
Toronto has once it's what ninety three, and to have
that series Toronto and the Dodgers, and I still got
a cheer for the Dodgers. Everybody said, well, you know
he's from Canada. You gotta love Toronto. I like Toronto,
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but I love the Dodger and I'm really looking forward
to that just to watch this guy because I can't
I can't understand. How would you have a better performance
in any sport? Well can you do? How can you?
This kind of stuff hasn't happened with Babe Ruver. Yes,
when somebody's been pitching his like that, and here you're
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not only pitches. He gets sent strikeouts and then he
hit three in one of the stadiums. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well what impresses me, louis you know we're in an
era in all sports where everything specialized, right, more specialized
than it's ever been. Sometimes, I think to a sports detriment.
But this guy is so talented that he rendered all
the new rules moot.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
They said, it doesn't matter that no, no, no, you
do one thing or the other. Those days are over
where you might have played around back and forth. But
this guy is so extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That none of that.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
No one's even arguing that any longer at that point
can't even be made with a straight face.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
That's how good he is.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I asked myself, is he the best professional athlete that
I've seen? That's where it goes to because Gretky's been
unbelievable and hockey, and Jordan's been unbelievable and in basketball.
But are they better than Otani in paseball? This is
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crazy because they're doing two things where the other. You know,
they all were great at their sport. I can't believe
that this guy can fish to weet fishes and hit
the we hits and play it as he does.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't know, appreciate you have fun on the road trip,
have fun putting people.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
No, well, it's putting peop to sleep. But there was
a nice one. Oh here, one more reminder. Let's listen.
Let's make this is an individual talk.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
According to TikTok, who was listening to Luigi on the
Wild TV broadcast.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I've seen this Wild Arangers game, and whoever this commentator is,
is like the chillest dude on the planet. Like he's
borderline putting me to sleep. I don't know who this
guy is, but here it is.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's so good dude on the planet. That's too good.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I told him that was Friday night state tournaments. I'm
watching Hill Murray moorehead. I fall asleep, I wake up.
They're in overtime. Louis mad and it's the best. It's
the best.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I said the.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Same thing in the letter I wrote for the Hall
of Fame to get you in that Hall of Fame.
Thing man, the soothing nature, and it is ironic because
you are obviously when you watch games, you're not commentating him.
You're all over the place. I've been in those rooms
with you, and it's it's entertaining. You ain't exactly chill.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
There's still a broken table at the X, but the
voice during broadcast, it's exactly that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It is very very chill, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Have fun with your favorite hockey team, and well, great
stuff as always.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well chat next week, Thank.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You, see you next week.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Thanks Luis here, Luigi lu Nanny, brought to you by
our good friends at Camps. I mentioned we're going to
go a section after a busy first ninety minutes in
the toy department. We're always appreciative when our next guest
stops by to see us, and that indeed is Andy Lueger,
the former US Attorney for the state of Minnesota. He
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is coming up next, largely to talk about an op
ed piece that's getting a lot of attention that he
wrote or that was published in the Start Tribune over
the weekend. We'll probably get to some other items, as
we often do with Andy as.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well when we return.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know, almost every time we have our next guest
on the subjects are fairly serious, and that might lend
to the notion that people think God is everything about
Andy Lueger serious?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, is he.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Ever does he get out ever? Does he ever do?
Does he smile? Does he crack a smile? Does he
ever go to a concert? Does he ever see a game?
So maybe we should re establish some of your these
parameters there before we get into the more serious stuff.
So people do know that you do make it a
point to try to get out from a lot of
the serious stuff in order probably to keep.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Your sanity right. Well, I have other interests.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yes, you do have other interests, including apparently going to every.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Concert recently, is that correct?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
McCartney Friday Night in Elvis Costello last night. I been
in Elvis Costello fan literally from the day he burst
onto the scene in nineteen seventy seven. And McCartney's McCartney
So yes, and then a Vikings game in between.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, that's you know, which you could call that serious
kind of So give me the give me your Costello
review first?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What'd you think?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So? This was a concert in this is a tour
in which he's playing mostly his old stuff, the first
three or four albums, which is that's what you know.
I kind of grew up with him on and it
was phenomenal. He changes the songs a little bit. People
get a little upset about that, but in his voice
isn't what it was, of course, but a lot of energy,
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and he's fun and funny and talking to the audience
and a lot of just a lot of joy in it,
as well as him saying you Americans, you know, you
got stuff to work on. But the and it was
interesting because if you think about his first couple albums.
Songs are really dark, yes, Alison Miaim is true. And
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he talked about that because, look, I'm going to play
these songs tonight. It doesn't mean I'm talking about where
we are.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Right, gotcha. So it was fun part of my history.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
He played for a long time, and it was it
was he did great band, you know, great camaraderie, that
was great. McCartney Friday Night was just it's McCartney. So
you're sitting there watching the thing for anybody who was there,
the thing that touched me the most, and I've seen it,
you know, I've seen it at least online. He does
a split screen with John Lennon from the Rooftop concert,
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singing I've got a feeling, and that just gets me
because you know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's a lot of there's a lot of history there. Yeah,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So is it at a point with him for you
that even if he doesn't have the same range, can't
reach all the same notes, that that almost becomes immaterial.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean, just accept it, don't you.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
So I articulated this Sunday watching the vikings of the game,
It's like, you don't go Carson Wentz, isn't you know Montana.
So you got Carson Wentz. It's Carson Wentz. That's who
you're gonna get, and you know there'll be some good.
McCartney is just McCartney, and it's great just to see
him up there and to see him. You know, he's
gonna play and he's gonna sing. Hey, dude, he's gonna sing.
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Let it be. It's not gonna be like nineteen sixty nine, right,
but it's still McCartney. Yeah, maybe that's not the best comparison.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
No, I get your point. Yeah, No, I'm sorry, or
your say gout h.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
It was maybe the first time Carson Wentz and Paul
McCartney you've ever been put in the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You might make the preposterous statement tournament of the noon
to three shows very very possible, even though that's not
what your intent was.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
To get the contrast.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
There may be some texts about that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, there might be a couple of those.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well, I said, for years, I always felt guilty because
I went through that period where it was not fashionable
to like McCartney as much as you were supposed to
like John Lennon, right, And I fell into that trap.
Because that's what everybody else was doing. I look back
on I said, well, an idiot, you know, you didn't
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really have to make those kinds of choices. They both
brought their own strengths, but the McCarthy ability, the melodies
that he created, my god, I just don't know how
you argue with it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I mean, there were so I had a moment when
the tickets were offered. My friend reached out and said,
should we do this because he's going to sing a
couple of songs from the late seventies that you hate?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes? And he did. Yes, I call it his silly
love songs. Yes, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
And so he did let him in and he did,
you know, coming up and it's almost like I had
a whole you know, it's that bad, it's that bad,
and you really.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Want to say, Paul, we get it.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
And he did that, you know, lots of other stuff,
but he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And you know,
he he was not my favorite Beatle and it was
Lennon Harrison than McCartney for me, but you know, it
was just amazing to watch him. And he started with
help and I don't know why he's doing that because
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that's the icon one of the iconic Lennon songs.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But good for him, Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
It was.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It was fun for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I always felt like I always wondered how much more
in terms of song making that George Harrison had in him.
That we'll never know because early obviously it was going
to be Lennon McCartney dominated because you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Argue with it.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
But then Harrison kind of came into his own right
in the White Album and then let it be an
Abbey Road and then obviously all things must pass. He
kind of got shoved aside.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He had a bad.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Tour in the early seventies. People gave him a hard time,
took it hard. Then he kind of came back mid
seventies with some really good songs, really good albums. He
was so torn about how he felt about the music business.
But if you listen to he did a concert in
Japan where they were Clapton. If you listen to that,
it's like magic is it? Two of them playing mostly
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his songs.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
There's a great I'm going to try to look it
up real quick here George Harrison documentary.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
That was?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't know where it originated called Living in the
Material World. Have you seen it? It's lengthy. I thought
it was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, and he's just fascinating all of them. And the
concert for Bangladesh, which I still remember. I wasn't there,
but I had friends who win at Madison Square Garden
is just electric and what they pulled off in nineteen
seventy one is incredible. And you know we were going
to miss He's one of those people that you never
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know what he would have done and where would.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You All right, let's get an early break in and
then we can indeed get some more serious stuff. We'll
mix in text from time to time. Six four six
eighty six branch On Bryant KFN text line a very
compelling op ed piece that Andy wrote that appeared in
the Start Tribune over the weekend. That's going to kind
of kind of be our starting point. We'll get into
some other areas as well as he lays out what
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his objective regarding that particular piece when we come back.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
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Speaker 4 (34:59):
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
Let's remind them in case they've not heard, the obvious
has been made official today. Carson Wentz will start Thursday
night in Los Angeles against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
JJ McCarthy is still not ready.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
We'll all assume the date he'll be ready will be
that Lions game a week from this coming Sunday, but
it will be. It will not be guards, these guy
brosmer at least starting for now, It'll be Carson Wentz
on Thursday evening. All right, Andy Lueger is back with
us in studio. Former US attorney tell us about for
people who have not picked up, Oh picked up that's
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a that's a dated five we read online at via
starding dot com. Your op ed piece, tell me the
thrust of it, and maybe even at the start, what
prompted you to say this is something I want to
get out there.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
So way back when in twenty fourteen, when I was
US attorney, the first time we were trying backing an
ISIS conspiracy, ISIS recruiting conspiracy, ended up prosecuting quite a
number of people locally who were being recruited and joining
ISIS and that's a crime. So I learned a lot
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in twenty fourteen about the radicalization process and violent extremism,
of which radical isis terrorism is one branch. So I
learned about that, and then we really started to see
an uptick in twenty fifteen of hate crime recruiting violent
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extremists on white supremacist sites and neo Nazi sites. Sort
of learned about that, and so that's sort of the
ideological violent extremism that I learned a good deal about.
And I met a number of experts around the country, analysts, researchers,
people who live in that world, studying it and trying
to figure out what to do about it. I come
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out of the US Attorney's office in January of twenty
twenty five, go back back to my law firm, and
we obviously have had sort of horrific violent episodes, both
locally and nationally, and so I reached back out to
the friends who tracked violent extremism and said, what's going on,
what's going on? And they sort of clue me into
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this relatively new phenomenon of non ideological violent extremism, which
has now been tagged nihilistic violent extremism. The difference being
in history, violent extremists who ascribe to an ideology have
to be recruited and taught and have to sort of
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buy into that ideology, whether it's white supremacy or neo
Nazis or terrorists, and you have to convince people to
believe in your cause. This relatively new phenomenon, there's no cause,
and you don't have to buy into anything, and you
don't have to be convinced of anything.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's just people who.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Want to commit violence, mass violence, targeted violence, harm against
vulnerable people. And they now have sites that they, you know,
in platforms to come together. And it's growing. And at
least two of the recent school shootings, one in Tennessee
and one elsewhere, were linked to people who are on
these sites. And so that's a new problem and a
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new phenomenon that a number of people, the FBI, local
law enforcement, but also independent researchers and analysts are studying
and looking at. And it's quite horrific and quite scary.
And I decided as I talk it, you know, you said,
I'm too serious. At dinner parties, I'm like the guy
in the corner that nobody wants to talk to because
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other than the Vikings, which I could talk about, or
the Beatles. I want to talk about whatever's current and people.
It was very clear to me that, just like I was,
nobody knew about this. So I thought, let's put it
in writing, let's bring it out, and now we're looking
to convene. I've got a working group that's looking to
convene some of the experts, some public policy and public
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health experts, to talk about what do we do about this,
because it's it's kind of growing and it's frightening. When
the experts are frightened, that means something to me.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
The nihilistic violent extremists envees.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's the term, yeah, correct.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
So the way this comes about is every branch of
violent extremists get their initials, so race based violent Extremists RBVE.
We have a number of different and this one, when
people started looking at it, they decided to call it
nihilistic violent extremism. And it's a broad based and not
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everybody fits perfectly, and there's a debate amongst you know,
anything else, there's a debate about how much it is.
But there's one site that I write about in the
article called Watch People Die, and it is exactly what
it is. But they're all trying to convince each other
to be the next mass murderer. And so I was
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talking to somebody the other day who tracks watch People Die,
and there are now four million people actively on watch
people Die, So that means something. And since the only
goal is not to join a group and have meetings
and champion your neo Nazi ideology, it's just to kill
people and watch other people kill people. This is something
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we've got to pay attention to.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The Dark Knight as you're talking, that's what I'm thinking about.
The two thousand and eight film. There's a moment where Alfred,
talking about the Joker, turns to Batman and says, some
men just want to watch the world burn. Yeah, that's
kind of what we're talking about here, correct.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
So the most extreme extreme version of mves want to
destroy society, not make it better because it's going to
be for the white race or for this or for
that or for isis, but to destroy it all because
there is no better. That's the most extreme, and the
critics of this v within this sort of expert group,
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So that's not everybody.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Some people just want to go.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Online and see you torture an animal. They're not thinking
about destroying society or they literally want to see somebody
commit suicide and film it. They don't have any greater goals, right,
But that's what's happening on these sites.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
So the idea, the the the challenge is to is
to identify the individuals who have worse intent than just
I like to watch this stuff. I just like to
be a spectator to this sort of thing. And I
assume the internet and internet age in which we live
is once again where we talk about this on so
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many other things, is the biggest challenge because I would
assume you wo'd agree that there were people like this forever,
but now there's a place to assemble in a way
that they couldn't and talk to and meet other people
who are similarly inclined.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
I think a lot of us, I don't know about you, Dan,
I had growing up in New Jersey. I had a
kid who kind of liked to watch sort of awful stuff.
I won't name him because he's still around, but he
lived near me in my little town, and he was
the kind of person who if there was a you know,
if a dog got hit in the middle of the.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Street, he'd watch it suffer.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
It's not new. The problem is there are now sites
where they all get together and encourage each other to
create these moments and film them. So Washington Post ran
a story late last week about people on one of
these sites in getting a vulnerable young kid and convincing
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him to commit suicide. I'm twelve years old and to
film it. And he does this film of a twelve
year old committing suicide, and the people on the site
are gleeful because this is what they want. And so
I think we just have to address the fact that
this exists. We've got to think about ways that educators
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and parents can talk about this. I was talking to
one person the other day. It's not like we can
call a school assembly and say don't do drugs. This
is not don't go on this site and encourage somebody
to commit suicide.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
You can't do that.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
So what are the creative ways. I don't know, but
I want to convene people who are thoughtful and can
help all of us. So if you're a parent or
you're a grandparent and you've got kids going, we don't
know what sites are.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
On all right, let's make this a top of our break.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
There's a bunch more items I have about this particular
piece that we can spin off on as well. Andy
Luger kind of have to join us in studio. He
will be with us for another thirty minutes. Keep the
text coming, bratsh on Brian Kaffean text line is six
four six eight six
Well, she sneaks around the world shouting in the world, no.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Nanny, this wild Avengers dame, and whoever this commentator is
is like the chillest dude on the planet. Like he's
borerling putting me to sleep. I don't know who this
guy is, but.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Okay, interesting a sound bite referring to our our guest.
I wonder how Luigi will take it. Will he take
it as a compliment or will he take it as
a bit of savagery.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Which way do you go?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Louis, Well, I take it as a compliment. I'm gonna
start talking to myself so I can get to sleep. There.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Maybe that's the ticket. That's I hadn't even thought of that.
Maybe that's the answer.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yeah, you record.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What you could do is.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Record yourself and then that way you don't actually have
to be talking. It's hard to fall asleep while you're talking,
but it would be your voice putting you to sleep.
How good is that?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
See you taught me there, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Send.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Yeah, we got to send you some of your podcasts
with Dan. Yeah, the chillis dude on the planet, lou Nannie,
that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, how did you find that?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
The traveling secretary Dominic Henny his wife send it to Minneapolis.
We got thousands of falls on this in this comments.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's too good.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I don't know what TikTok is, so I'm not into that,
you know, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, well I'm familiar with it because my daughter is,
but yeah, I'm not. I don't spend a lot of
time on it either. But it's big, Louis. They tell
me it's really really, really really big. So that's good,
of course, Luigi of tracking the Minnesota while on the
road trip dayline New York last night, and we.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Get a victory. We get a victory.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
We played a team that was struggling offensively even more
than we were.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
No, they're struggling more at home.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Exact quarter goal.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yes, they hadn't scored a goal and we got into
seven and a half minutes. They would have set the
record going back to nineteen twenty six or twenty eight
for they would have broke the record. It would have
been the longs ever going without a goal like that
at home. And they scored fifty seven seconds in the
first period, so they didn't get that part of it.
But the fact was they got one. You would expect
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that they were going to get a lot more. They
finally broke and got off the schnag, you know, but
they didn't. And it was really a fun game. It
was an exciting game. But the Wild played so well.
The Wild were just moving their feet continually. They were
moving the puck, getting pucks out quickly. They were suboarding
one another. The goaltenders on both teams were terrific. They
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both had to make sensational saves to keep it close.
And I was happy. Europe got the first goal and
he got it in Madison Square Gardens against maybe he's
the best school at dinner in the league. Another Russians
should stirk in and ca Breese off and had six
family members there. The mom and dad were there, and
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he got the third one in the open net. So
Russians had a big night, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's it's it's interesting to me because Guardian, I've talked
about this both on radio and TV, and I don't
know if you and I have talked about it recently.
You have, you know, a lot of forces that are
I think, to a certain extent, to certain I guess
you'd say, contradicting each other. For this team, On the
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one hand, you've got some veterans okay, and you have
a team that is hungry to get out of the
first round right of the playoffs. Haven't done that in
ten years. The other hand, I think it's common knowledge
that you got to find out among some of these
young guys whether any of them or enough of them
can ascend right, get better and become an important part
of the solution. And the danger, as you know, of
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playing young guys sometimes is they can screw up. And
so I think there's a tendency on a team that's
kind of been stuck in the middle, like the Wild
to not want to risk that. So how does this
team go about threading the needle? Louis on still trying
to compete in the present, but still also coming to
grips with we've got to evaluate these play these young guys,
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And the only way we can we can truly evaluate
them isn't just from practice, especially once the season begins.
It has to be in games itself. How do you
thread that needle? How do you how do you know
perfect that balancing act.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And has to be in games itself, And I know
coaches get upset and not say it coach for all
starting one the assistant coaches talking about the game and
being made a mistake. A hey, he's a kid, nineteen,
he's sensational, he's the best defensive defense. When you got
let him make mistakes. You can't be putting this guy
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down on the miners and you no, no, no, wouldn't
do that. But he left to learn. I seeah, he's nineteen,
but the last guy and has made the mistakes on
the cross, so don't worry about it, you know. So
you let these guys grow, and I was happy they
did the same with Europe that you know, Europs made
a couple of mistakes and as she was involved in
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that first goal on the coverage, but they got They
have skills and talents that will grow. And the good
part about it, when they're young and skilled and talented
like that talent, they'll grow faster and make more positive
contributions than their negative mistakes will make because they have
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a unique skill tell you content and I love watching them.
I think that had there not been these injuries that
the WHILE suffered early on, they got a significant injuries
right now without without the Corilla and Rossi and Mouvosian,
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they might not have been in the lineup and now
it's I mean, now you're going to find out that
they're going to pass other guys in the lineup well
by the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And then you have to watch who you're playing with too,
if they if there's some deficiency that have to be
covered that you you know are significant and you want
to make sure you want to play them, but you
still have to, you know, cover up for some of
the things that individual does, and you play them with
more experienced guys than it can help them in that area.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Louis Is as always has brought to us by Camps.
We appreciate their fine support for this segment. Will remind
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many of you have regarding hockey questions for Luigi and
we'll mix it and some other stuff. I got a
couple of other things I want to get to with
him a little bit later as well outside the world
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of hockey. You know, a year ago this team got
off to a terrific start, right and then they had
some injuries and then they started coming back to the
table and then it Ultimately it basically went down if
you were called to the last day. For God's sake,
one extra goal was the difference between making it and
not making it. So, knowing what you know about the
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slog of a season that this is, how should the
Wild approach the regular season? Because we all know sooner
or later it's got to be about getting out of
the first round. How do they you know that there's
that question about, Well, the best way to prepare yourself
to make a playoff run is to use the regular
season as a sounding board to figure some stuff out,
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to experiment, to change, use different lineups, to use some
of the kids. Now, the downside has got to make
sure you make the playoffs, obviously, but so it's another
balancing act. I think that's really important in terms of
the proper approach you think this team should take this season.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, it is. It is a balancey knck. But I
really believe that you have to let these kids grow
because the one good thing that they have got going
for them the core of this hockey team. The best
players are young. The best players are young, so you
you've got a long runway with them. But they have
to start, you know, skating on that runway. You've got
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to start using them, which they're doing, especially a couple
of them. You know, I can see William and eure
Off making mistakes. But they've got to be patient and
let them play because by the end of the year,
those two guys are going to be, I think, much
better than some of the guys that they got in
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the line up right now. And Billiam's not even going
to be that long right now, he's the best defensive
defenseman they got. Yeah, let's see the defensively. But if
he didn't, he be in the first, first name most
right now. You know, you got to you gotta learn
to play this game. Sure, and he's only nineteen. So
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when when I watch him out there with the poison,
with the puck in his own zone, in traffic and
under pressure, and it's like he's out having a walk
in the park, he doesn't show the effect of having
pressure on him. He doesn't seem nervous or concerned. He
just makes the movie. He thinks to get free, and
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he gets free, and he moves the puck up every
now and then he might get checked, and that's what
the hockey is. You're supposed to check the opposition and
sometimes they're going to get him. But I'm so impressed
by how he's been able to get the fuck out
of the zone the zone, gets the puck up bikes
and on the power play because they're able to have
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him in the park play. He has such a good
presence bringing the puck up ice. If it looks like
the guy they're going to cut off his drop pass
back because they always have two forwards come behind, he
just skates the puck in. You know what's happened last year,
The power play wasn't very good. They weren't getting any
good entries in the zone when I was watching, so
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they had to put Marcus Johansson, who is really good
at bringing the pucks up over the blue line and
getting in the zone. Now they don't have to put
him on the first one. So now they got better
players on the first power play up front because Biams
always finds the way to get that buck in the zone,
and they can use Johnson on the second to bring
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a better balance to it. And now you're off up front.
He's been checking, he's been making good plays. He set
up his linemates the last couple of games three times
where somebody should have a goal, and they were able
to use them at center. They started them at the
wing early on. They didn't want to put all that
pressure on him. And he played center in the KHL
and he had a terrific a couple of years there.
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The last year he was scoring machine too. So you
have to let him get comfortable, especially above everything else.
He can't speak English, can't even talk, and here he
is playing the best league in the world and playing
as a youngster. He has the ability, but he's going
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to find his way, and he's not going to find
his way, you know, you know, unless he gets the
opportunity to play against good guys and figure it out.
And that's what he's doing, I think, and hopefully Ober
it comes through too, because he can. Then you've got
those three and by the way, Walston, I hope he continues.
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But his for three games have been sensational, been sensational.
He never had a good year last year. Everybody's getting
concerned that we're going to have to play got fifty
five sixty games now. The way he's playing, it's like
they're going to alternate a lot of times. And so
I think if he continues playing like that that's a
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fourth youngster that they'll have on a team and in
one year. So I like. I like the fact that
if they can win something and stay in the race
with these young guys, they'll be better suited for the
playoffs and more ready with more depth than they've had before.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Speaking of language, it's interesting, as you were talking about that,
Tony from Grand Rapids had asked this question earlier. Do
younger players like that also have a language barrier on
top of youth?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I would think so. I I never played with anyone
who had that situation, and and I just, you know,
I just think, if I'm on the ice with someone
and I want to communicate with my dumb I'm breaking,
I'm behind you go wide whatever, What's he going to
say something in Russia and you don't know what he's
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talking about it? What are you going to say something
in the which she doesn't know about? I mean, Caprice
sounds like a professor right now next to he's translating
for him, you know, and Carilla Carol never spoke English
when he first gave me either. So it's good. I
just I'm I'm excited about him. I'm really excited about him.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Anything.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
They made a good pick.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
There, uh six five.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
One guy asks if there's any possibility of the Wild
going after Panerin.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
They First of all, they wouldn't have cap space for
him right now because Penaia is about eleven million dollars,
and I think they only get four and a half.
But New York's not gonna treat Banerin and Panera's got
no trade clove. Panera's gonna not gonna leave New York.
That's why I was really concerned about Caprice off because
the Russians come here and they all want to go
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to New York. See New York being New York, it's
it's a big thing for them. And and uh Pani,
and he's the best player on our team. They're not
going to let that guy got me. Let me tell you.
They're telling tickets in New York Lower bowls one hundred
and ninety dollars tomorrow. They're going to play in New Jersey.
Here the Wild Art and the lower bowls sixty three dollars.
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Canaries can be. You can't tell your star and say, okay,
give me an undred ninety dollars for a ticket.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's a very fair point.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
That's very true college hockey question for you. I think
if five or seven guy, this has been out of
man Cato, he might have asked this last week and
I didn't get it to you in time. Can you
ask me why man Cato has been passed over for
membership to NCCHC conference in favor of Saint Thomas and
Arizona State. W h A and NCC should merge for
a super conference with East and West divisions that's been
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in man Cato.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I don't know if they put enough pressure on to
do it. And I like his idea. I wish some
of these conferences would get together and those two that
would make a lot of sense and a lot many
times it goes to the travel and it goes to
what the other teams in the conference think about going
to Mankato or having Manyato comes to their place. And
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Cato has been a big name of college hockey for
a while. They've had a great deal of success in
the last ten fifteen years. They've they've been to the
Frozen Four, they've they've won their league championships. That mckidda
and they got an excellent program and I got a
nice rink to play, and he wonders sometimes how they
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do make those decisions.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Saying, with college hockey for a second, give me your
early read on your Golden Golpher Men's club.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, it's kids learning only the wild. We're talking about
two kids in the lineup right now upfront and one
on the goal learning. The golfers lost eleven guys, you know,
so you just don't and inject eleven guys in the
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lineup and expect to be at a top their wrong
college program right away. They got to learn the game.
They got to learn how to play. College hockey is
really good. It's really good. It's significantly better than junior hockey.
And that's where the air of high school hockey on
top of that even another rung lower. And that's what
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these guys are in the lineup right now. Great skill,
great capability, great futures ahead of them, but a lot
of learning ahead of them as well. And so I
like the fact that they're that talented. They're explosives. You
know that they can win games, but you also know
they can lose games by not knowing how to play completely.
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And you're not going to learn this game overnight. And
they vote for them by the end of the year.
I really believe they're going to be much better than
they are now. Not that they're bad now, but they're
learning now and they're going to get beatn by some
good teams. But they got a tough schedule, they're going
to play the best teams and they're going to grow
by the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Uh So on this trip, you still got Jersey with
the while tomorrow night, correct, right right, tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That's gonna be a tough game.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Awesome, tell me about it. Give me a Scotty report.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Well, the Jersey's really fast, really fast, and they have
a couple of tremendous for Jack Hughes, who's number one
pick a few years ago, and he's healthy and he's
good at all ascets to the game, but especially carrying
the puck and moving the puck scoring goals. And Chasper
Brad I think they drafted him in the fourth round.
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He's an unbelievable talent. And what they have is they
got a very good defense from moving the puck. They
got Dougie Hamilton back, who was one of the best
defense in the league for a long time before he
got hurt. He's big, but he's also UH real great
defensive defenseman. They had Luke Hughes, the other Hughes, Jack's
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younger brother. There's three Hughes in the NHL right now,
and he came out of Michigan too, and he's growing
into his role real well. They got very good balance
in front. They got Nico Herscher as their captain. He's
a guy from UH Switzerland and just he was the
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number one pick too, and he's really all around player,
good all around players. So they got very good balance
upfronts and they're strong where you want to be strong
down the middle. Their centers excellent, their golden solid in
their defense, really good at moving the puck. So it's
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going to be a test tomorrow night. It's going to
be a real test tomorre night. The good thing about
the while they're coming off a game where they started
to use speedy, they were their game that they play
on in Washington. They got up shut forty five to fifteen.
It reminded me a game we were playing in the
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Centennial Tournament in Winnipeg. I don't know if I told
you this before. We were playing the Russians and it
was the pre Olympic tournament, and there was a you know,
it was a big tournament Canada. In the first six
minutes the Russians, we never touched the puck. And while
the game's going on, that's when Mariacci threw another buck
in the ice and the referee blows the whistle comes over.
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What are you doing? And Marychie says, we want to
play too, And that was the same thing that it
looked like Washington did to the war while the other night.
Now they never touched the puck. That's a but then
then they came on from there and and they got
better in Philly. They should have won the game in
Stilly Erics and I had a wide open, wide open
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that he hit the pipe, rebound comes, don't they take
the puck down the ice and and Philly wins in overtime.
And then they did get to their game against New
York the all away. So I'm open that progression continues
tomorrow night. Then it's going to be an excellent game
to watch and be a fast game to watch, but
the while to be able to win it if they
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played the way they were playing last night.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
You know, you do a good job of staying connected
to the team regardless of where you are. But I'm
wondering how much more you feel you do and can
pick up when you're around the team more regularly, like
on this road trip.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Oh a lot. That's an excellent question. That it's like
anything else. I guess you get on the inside. Some
of the other guys might not. But I'd like to
talk to blayers and coaches and this morning extent twenty
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five minutes, thirty minutes yep, questioning one of the coaches
about their defensive system and play and why they do
this and not this. And I wouldn't be doing that
if I'm with home watching the games of TV or
just in the stands watching so I get a better
understanding of why they're doing some things, you know. And
and still it's different to the game is so much
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different than it was when I was involved in it.
It's got and these guys are faster and they and
they use different systems and and it's something that I
can see and I question and want to know their
reasoning for things and and and that's what I used
to do when when I was a general manager. I
come down after the game, sit down with the coach
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and say, why did you do this, Why did you
do that? Why'd you do that? And if they wanted
to do find me and and they say, was that it? Yeah?
I just want to understand your thinking and and and
and when I'm here with the team like that, I
get to pick up a lot that I.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Wouldn't last item for you as a This question is
for a sports fan, not necessarily just a hockey guy,
because I know you you think more broadly than at
for sure, and we frankly have not spent enough time
on this show, on the show, Hey o'tani story what
he pulled off the other night, six shotout innings, ten
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strikeouts and three home runs, one of them out of
Dodger Stadium, which is not exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Easy to do.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I you know, I don't even know where to begin.
People are trying to decide where does that performance rank.
I don't know if it's first, second, third, or fourth.
I just know that it's otherworldly and we should not
take that kind of performance for granted.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
What is the best picture from that night that you
can remember. I'll tell you what it is in my mind.
Go ahead, It's when he hit the one out of
the stadium and they panned the Dodger dug.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes, yes you saw, and he saw a couple of.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Them with their hands in their hands, like what the hell? Yes,
it was unbelievable. That picture will see in my mind. Well,
Kanie happened to be one of my favorite players. I
had this thing that goes back to when I was
a youngster. I used to play more baseball than hockey,
and I used to love the Tigers. Like I said,
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I went watching the Detroit Tigers from when I was
six years old every year to twenty And because I
liked the Detroit Tigers so much, I hated the New
York Gangs. And we used to have a Sunday game
in my neighbor the Tigers against the Inks. And so
I became a big Tiger fan because I hated the Inks.
So because I hated the Yanks, I loved the Brooklyn Dodgers.
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So I've always been a Dodger fan. When they moved
to LA American League, I'm Detroit Tigers, National League, I'm
a Los Angeles Dodgers. So now I've been you know,
I followed the Dodgers, and I mean, I can't believe
on much money they spent. But this guy in seven
hundred million. But my god, last night after the game,
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we all went to they had food for us back
at the hotel and we got the game on, and
I'm I'm actually excited that Toronto's going to win because
Toronto has once it's what ninety three, and to have
that series Toronto and the Dodgers, and I still got
a cheer for the Dodgers. Everybody said, well, you know
he's from Canada. You gotta love Toronto. I like Toronto,
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but I love the Dodger and I'm really looking forward
to that just to watch this guy because I can't
I can't understand. How would you have a better performance
in any sport? Well can you do? How can you?
This kind of stuff hasn't happened with Babe Ruver. Yes,
when somebody's been pitching his like that, and here you're
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not only pitches. He gets sent strikeouts and then he
hit three in one of the stadiums. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well what impresses me, louis you know we're in an
era in all sports where everything specialized, right, more specialized
than it's ever been. Sometimes, I think to a sports detriment.
But this guy is so talented that he rendered all
the new rules moot.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
They said, it doesn't matter that no, no, no, you
do one thing or the other. Those days are over
where you might have played around back and forth. But
this guy is so extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That none of that.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
No one's even arguing that any longer at that point
can't even be made with a straight face.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
That's how good he is.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I asked myself, is he the best professional athlete that
I've seen? That's where it goes to because Gretky's been
unbelievable and hockey, and Jordan's been unbelievable and in basketball.
But are they better than Otani in paseball? This is
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crazy because they're doing two things where the other. You know,
they all were great at their sport. I can't believe
that this guy can fish to weet fishes and hit
the we hits and play it as he does.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't know, appreciate you have fun on the road trip,
have fun putting people.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
No, well, it's putting peop to sleep. But there was
a nice one. Oh here, one more reminder. Let's listen.
Let's make this is an individual talk.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
According to TikTok, who was listening to Luigi on the
Wild TV broadcast.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I've seen this Wild Arangers game, and whoever this commentator is,
is like the chillest dude on the planet. Like he's
borderline putting me to sleep. I don't know who this
guy is, but here it is.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's so good dude on the planet. That's too good.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I told him that was Friday night state tournaments. I'm
watching Hill Murray moorehead. I fall asleep, I wake up.
They're in overtime. Louis mad and it's the best. It's
the best.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I said the.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Same thing in the letter I wrote for the Hall
of Fame to get you in that Hall of Fame.
Thing man, the soothing nature, and it is ironic because
you are obviously when you watch games, you're not commentating him.
You're all over the place. I've been in those rooms
with you, and it's it's entertaining. You ain't exactly chill.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
There's still a broken table at the X, but the
voice during broadcast, it's exactly that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It is very very chill, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Have fun with your favorite hockey team, and well, great
stuff as always.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well chat next week, Thank.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You, see you next week.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Thanks Luis here, Luigi lu Nanny, brought to you by
our good friends at Camps. I mentioned we're going to
go a section after a busy first ninety minutes in
the toy department. We're always appreciative when our next guest
stops by to see us, and that indeed is Andy Lueger,
the former US Attorney for the state of Minnesota. He
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is coming up next, largely to talk about an op
ed piece that's getting a lot of attention that he
wrote or that was published in the Start Tribune over
the weekend. We'll probably get to some other items, as
we often do with Andy as.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well when we return.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know, almost every time we have our next guest
on the subjects are fairly serious, and that might lend
to the notion that people think God is everything about
Andy Lueger serious?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, is he.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Ever does he get out ever? Does he ever do?
Does he smile? Does he crack a smile? Does he
ever go to a concert? Does he ever see a game?
So maybe we should re establish some of your these
parameters there before we get into the more serious stuff.
So people do know that you do make it a
point to try to get out from a lot of
the serious stuff in order probably to keep.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Your sanity right. Well, I have other interests.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yes, you do have other interests, including apparently going to every.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Concert recently, is that correct?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
McCartney Friday Night in Elvis Costello last night. I been
in Elvis Costello fan literally from the day he burst
onto the scene in nineteen seventy seven. And McCartney's McCartney
So yes, and then a Vikings game in between.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, that's you know, which you could call that serious
kind of So give me the give me your Costello
review first?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What'd you think?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So? This was a concert in this is a tour
in which he's playing mostly his old stuff, the first
three or four albums, which is that's what you know.
I kind of grew up with him on and it
was phenomenal. He changes the songs a little bit. People
get a little upset about that, but in his voice
isn't what it was, of course, but a lot of energy,
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and he's fun and funny and talking to the audience
and a lot of just a lot of joy in it,
as well as him saying you Americans, you know, you
got stuff to work on. But the and it was
interesting because if you think about his first couple albums.
Songs are really dark, yes, Alison Miaim is true. And
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he talked about that because, look, I'm going to play
these songs tonight. It doesn't mean I'm talking about where
we are.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Right, gotcha. So it was fun part of my history.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
He played for a long time, and it was it
was he did great band, you know, great camaraderie, that
was great. McCartney Friday Night was just it's McCartney. So
you're sitting there watching the thing for anybody who was there,
the thing that touched me the most, and I've seen it,
you know, I've seen it at least online. He does
a split screen with John Lennon from the Rooftop concert,
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singing I've got a feeling, and that just gets me
because you know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's a lot of there's a lot of history there. Yeah,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So is it at a point with him for you
that even if he doesn't have the same range, can't
reach all the same notes, that that almost becomes immaterial.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean, just accept it, don't you.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
So I articulated this Sunday watching the vikings of the game,
It's like, you don't go Carson Wentz, isn't you know Montana.
So you got Carson Wentz. It's Carson Wentz. That's who
you're gonna get, and you know there'll be some good.
McCartney is just McCartney, and it's great just to see
him up there and to see him. You know, he's
gonna play and he's gonna sing. Hey, dude, he's gonna sing.
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Let it be. It's not gonna be like nineteen sixty nine, right,
but it's still McCartney. Yeah, maybe that's not the best comparison.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
No, I get your point. Yeah, No, I'm sorry, or
your say gout h.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
It was maybe the first time Carson Wentz and Paul
McCartney you've ever been put in the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You might make the preposterous statement tournament of the noon
to three shows very very possible, even though that's not
what your intent was.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
To get the contrast.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
There may be some texts about that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, there might be a couple of those.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well, I said, for years, I always felt guilty because
I went through that period where it was not fashionable
to like McCartney as much as you were supposed to
like John Lennon, right, And I fell into that trap.
Because that's what everybody else was doing. I look back
on I said, well, an idiot, you know, you didn't
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really have to make those kinds of choices. They both
brought their own strengths, but the McCarthy ability, the melodies
that he created, my god, I just don't know how
you argue with it.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I mean, there were so I had a moment when
the tickets were offered. My friend reached out and said,
should we do this because he's going to sing a
couple of songs from the late seventies that you hate?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes? And he did. Yes, I call it his silly
love songs. Yes, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
And so he did let him in and he did,
you know, coming up and it's almost like I had
a whole you know, it's that bad, it's that bad,
and you really.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Want to say, Paul, we get it.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
And he did that, you know, lots of other stuff,
but he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And you know,
he he was not my favorite Beatle and it was
Lennon Harrison than McCartney for me, but you know, it
was just amazing to watch him. And he started with
help and I don't know why he's doing that because
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that's the icon one of the iconic Lennon songs.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But good for him, Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
It was.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It was fun for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I always felt like I always wondered how much more
in terms of song making that George Harrison had in him.
That we'll never know because early obviously it was going
to be Lennon McCartney dominated because you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Argue with it.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
But then Harrison kind of came into his own right
in the White Album and then let it be an
Abbey Road and then obviously all things must pass. He
kind of got shoved aside.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He had a bad.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Tour in the early seventies. People gave him a hard time,
took it hard. Then he kind of came back mid
seventies with some really good songs, really good albums. He
was so torn about how he felt about the music business.
But if you listen to he did a concert in
Japan where they were Clapton. If you listen to that,
it's like magic is it? Two of them playing mostly
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his songs.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
There's a great I'm going to try to look it
up real quick here George Harrison documentary.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
That was?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't know where it originated called Living in the
Material World. Have you seen it? It's lengthy. I thought
it was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, and he's just fascinating all of them. And the
concert for Bangladesh, which I still remember. I wasn't there,
but I had friends who win at Madison Square Garden
is just electric and what they pulled off in nineteen
seventy one is incredible. And you know we were going
to miss He's one of those people that you never
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know what he would have done and where would.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You All right, let's get an early break in and
then we can indeed get some more serious stuff. We'll
mix in text from time to time. Six four six
eighty six branch On Bryant KFN text line a very
compelling op ed piece that Andy wrote that appeared in
the Start Tribune over the weekend. That's going to kind
of kind of be our starting point. We'll get into
some other areas as well as he lays out what
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his objective regarding that particular piece when we come back.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
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Speaker 4 (34:59):
For Vice.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Let's remind them in case they've not heard, the obvious
has been made official today. Carson Wentz will start Thursday
night in Los Angeles against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
JJ McCarthy is still not ready.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
We'll all assume the date he'll be ready will be
that Lions game a week from this coming Sunday, but
it will be. It will not be guards, these guy
brosmer at least starting for now, It'll be Carson Wentz
on Thursday evening. All right, Andy Lueger is back with
us in studio. Former US attorney tell us about for
people who have not picked up, Oh picked up that's
(35:37):
a that's a dated five we read online at via
starding dot com. Your op ed piece, tell me the
thrust of it, and maybe even at the start, what
prompted you to say this is something I want to
get out there.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
So way back when in twenty fourteen, when I was
US attorney, the first time we were trying backing an
ISIS conspiracy, ISIS recruiting conspiracy, ended up prosecuting quite a
number of people locally who were being recruited and joining
ISIS and that's a crime. So I learned a lot
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in twenty fourteen about the radicalization process and violent extremism,
of which radical isis terrorism is one branch. So I
learned about that, and then we really started to see
an uptick in twenty fifteen of hate crime recruiting violent
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extremists on white supremacist sites and neo Nazi sites. Sort
of learned about that, and so that's sort of the
ideological violent extremism that I learned a good deal about.
And I met a number of experts around the country, analysts, researchers,
people who live in that world, studying it and trying
to figure out what to do about it. I come
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out of the US Attorney's office in January of twenty
twenty five, go back back to my law firm, and
we obviously have had sort of horrific violent episodes, both
locally and nationally, and so I reached back out to
the friends who tracked violent extremism and said, what's going on,
what's going on? And they sort of clue me into
(37:20):
this relatively new phenomenon of non ideological violent extremism, which
has now been tagged nihilistic violent extremism. The difference being
in history, violent extremists who ascribe to an ideology have
to be recruited and taught and have to sort of
(37:41):
buy into that ideology, whether it's white supremacy or neo
Nazis or terrorists, and you have to convince people to
believe in your cause. This relatively new phenomenon, there's no cause,
and you don't have to buy into anything, and you
don't have to be convinced of anything.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's just people who.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Want to commit violence, mass violence, targeted violence, harm against
vulnerable people. And they now have sites that they, you know,
in platforms to come together. And it's growing. And at
least two of the recent school shootings, one in Tennessee
and one elsewhere, were linked to people who are on
these sites. And so that's a new problem and a
(38:23):
new phenomenon that a number of people, the FBI, local
law enforcement, but also independent researchers and analysts are studying
and looking at. And it's quite horrific and quite scary.
And I decided as I talk it, you know, you said,
I'm too serious. At dinner parties, I'm like the guy
in the corner that nobody wants to talk to because
(38:44):
other than the Vikings, which I could talk about, or
the Beatles. I want to talk about whatever's current and people.
It was very clear to me that, just like I was,
nobody knew about this. So I thought, let's put it
in writing, let's bring it out, and now we're looking
to convene. I've got a working group that's looking to
convene some of the experts, some public policy and public
(39:07):
health experts, to talk about what do we do about this,
because it's it's kind of growing and it's frightening. When
the experts are frightened, that means something to me.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
The nihilistic violent extremists envees.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's the term, yeah, correct.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
So the way this comes about is every branch of
violent extremists get their initials, so race based violent Extremists RBVE.
We have a number of different and this one, when
people started looking at it, they decided to call it
nihilistic violent extremism. And it's a broad based and not
(39:43):
everybody fits perfectly, and there's a debate amongst you know,
anything else, there's a debate about how much it is.
But there's one site that I write about in the
article called Watch People Die, and it is exactly what
it is. But they're all trying to convince each other
to be the next mass murderer. And so I was
(40:06):
talking to somebody the other day who tracks watch People Die,
and there are now four million people actively on watch
people Die, So that means something. And since the only
goal is not to join a group and have meetings
and champion your neo Nazi ideology, it's just to kill
people and watch other people kill people. This is something
(40:28):
we've got to pay attention to.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
The Dark Knight as you're talking, that's what I'm thinking about.
The two thousand and eight film. There's a moment where Alfred,
talking about the Joker, turns to Batman and says, some
men just want to watch the world burn. Yeah, that's
kind of what we're talking about here, correct.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
So the most extreme extreme version of mves want to
destroy society, not make it better because it's going to
be for the white race or for this or for
that or for isis, but to destroy it all because
there is no better. That's the most extreme, and the
critics of this v within this sort of expert group,
(41:12):
So that's not everybody.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Some people just want to go.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Online and see you torture an animal. They're not thinking
about destroying society or they literally want to see somebody
commit suicide and film it. They don't have any greater goals, right,
But that's what's happening on these sites.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
So the idea, the the the challenge is to is
to identify the individuals who have worse intent than just
I like to watch this stuff. I just like to
be a spectator to this sort of thing. And I
assume the internet and internet age in which we live
is once again where we talk about this on so
(41:51):
many other things, is the biggest challenge because I would
assume you wo'd agree that there were people like this forever,
but now there's a place to assemble in a way
that they couldn't and talk to and meet other people
who are similarly inclined.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
I think a lot of us, I don't know about you, Dan,
I had growing up in New Jersey. I had a
kid who kind of liked to watch sort of awful stuff.
I won't name him because he's still around, but he
lived near me in my little town, and he was
the kind of person who if there was a you know,
if a dog got hit in the middle of the.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Street, he'd watch it suffer.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
It's not new. The problem is there are now sites
where they all get together and encourage each other to
create these moments and film them. So Washington Post ran
a story late last week about people on one of
these sites in getting a vulnerable young kid and convincing
(42:53):
him to commit suicide. I'm twelve years old and to
film it. And he does this film of a twelve
year old committing suicide, and the people on the site
are gleeful because this is what they want. And so
I think we just have to address the fact that
this exists. We've got to think about ways that educators
(43:16):
and parents can talk about this. I was talking to
one person the other day. It's not like we can
call a school assembly and say don't do drugs. This
is not don't go on this site and encourage somebody
to commit suicide.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
You can't do that.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
So what are the creative ways. I don't know, but
I want to convene people who are thoughtful and can
help all of us. So if you're a parent or
you're a grandparent and you've got kids going, we don't
know what sites are.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
On all right, let's make this a top of our break.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
There's a bunch more items I have about this particular
piece that we can spin off on as well. Andy
Luger kind of have to join us in studio. He
will be with us for another thirty minutes. Keep the
text coming, bratsh on Brian Kaffean text line is six
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