Mace in Your Face! - Bumper to Bumper 11/19/25 Hour Two

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fan, It's time for another edition of Mace in your
Face now along with College Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Moorero Mace in your Face. It is indeed that time again,
four o'clock hour. The bratch On Bridekafan text line is
open at six four six eight six h Questions for
mace certainly passed those along, as you usually do, and

(00:41):
many of you already have. Man, they're they're already coming
in pretty fast. Actually, yeah, well let me tell you something.
I can hardly believe my eyes.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I walked in here.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And you talk about someone jumping on the bandway? What
does that mean? What is your sweatshirt? Say? Indiana Football?
I mean, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
You think I'm a fraud?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well I knew you were a fraud, but now, I mean,
you just have no pride?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well why can't you support my Almlanda. I mean, it's
just it's my school. Well I know, I know we've
suffered through a lot of bad seasons. Well I know that,
but it's here we come now.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I'm surprised you haven't tried to hit me to get
some tickets to go down to a game or something.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I probably should have.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I think what's going on? Yeah you do? Actually at
the coffee shop? Is that? Let me just tell you something, Yes,
I think it's absolutely great. What's going on in Bloomington, Indiana? Now.
I know a lot of people are saying stuff like, whoa,
I bet that Mark Coopan, he's the guy. What do
you kidding? Meet Mark Coopan for a guy that knows

(01:53):
you could have told me that Kurt Signetti could have
backed up two Brinks trucks full of cash and said,
do whatever you want to do, there's no rules or whatever,
and if that's not enough, we'll bring two more. And
he couldn't accomplish what's happening right now in Bloomington, Indiana.
And the reason I say that it's great and that's
what I love about college sports. Have you ever seen

(02:16):
how that stadium is? I mean they're pouring out. I
mean like you put an Indiana sweat dron. That's why
intercollegiate athletics, especially football, is so important to universities, and
so many people don't get it now. I don't know
if the president of Indiana University.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Got it before, but I bet he's getting it now
because everyplace he's going. You know, he said, hell, President, Billy,
Bob boy, you gotta go. Let me take my checkbook.
I really like what's going on. And by the way,
can you get my little bit better tickets?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
And you know the playoff game and when they play
Ohio State Indianapolis, I need one of those boxes in there.
And then all of a sudden, you know what the
guy's thinking, and this is pretty good. And then more importantly,
when the detractors come out from within about why are
you doing all this for athletics, you'll say you like

(03:16):
working here because if you don't like working here, because
this is going to be done, go find a place
some other place. That's what happens at those places, and
hopefully they'll just keep it going.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, money, I'm sure you could speak to this. If
you're a place where there's been a lack of money,
whether it's fat cats or whatever, it builds on itself, right,
So if you have momentum like Indiana does, then there
might be ten more fat cats that suddenly say, you

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know what, I want to be a part of this.
I'll write your check. I never thought of it before,
and then it didn't really make a lot of sense,
but I'll write you to check. That's the beauty of it.
It can become self sustaining if you get the right
momentum going and suddenly everybody wants it is jumping on
the bandwagon, but it's it's kind of bandwagon jumping. As
a coach, you'd you would, I think welcome if it's

(04:10):
a check for I don't know, five million bucks right.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Absolutely, And here to your point, what happens then people
love what's happening in Indiana right now? You have to
you'd have to be not very smart if you if
you're connected and you want that university to do well,
you're not going to say what's happening to their football
part is good. What happens is everybody's gonna give Signetti

(04:33):
the credit rightfully. So, I mean he's the guy who
had taken all the criticism. But if this keeps going,
you know what, that translates into dan power.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
And then if he's the right time of guy, he
doesn't abuse that power, but people will come to him
and then say, coach, we love what you've done. What
do you need now to keep it going? And and
then he'll be aware to know what the people pople
that are really has the Ohio states and the Alabama's

(05:04):
and the text. He knows what they have, and you
know what he'll say is this is what they have,
this is what I need, and then somehow, some way
they'll get it done because the people that are making
decisions want to keep that thing going.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, that's one hundred percent true. There's no question about that.
We'll talk. We'll get a little more on the Hoosiers.
I think they're off this week. They played Purdue next week,
they got a bye week this week. I want to
get to I know you have a couple of things
on your plate. I do want to talk a little bit.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Interesting things on my plate.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well you want to go, you can go right now.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I mean I just know, you know a couple of
things that I look at. Everybody talks about it, you know,
I look at some of this stuff, these rankings, you.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Know all this, Yes, you know talking about for the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, they come out and you know, you wonder how
they do it. But the other thing about it is,
I'm not sure how they come up with when you
look at the current rankings, okay, and you look at
the teams that have wins against current ranked teams. You
know the people that have beat other people that are good. Okay,

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Ohio State and there number one, they have one win,
Indiana has one win, Texas A and M has two wins.
Georgia has three wins. Okay, And you go all the
way down the list. Alabama and that's not having by
their stands at a very good year. They're at number ten,
they've got four wins. So I guess what I'm saying,
you know, is it do you do you get? Do

(06:32):
you get? Is it a benefit when you win someone
good or you get punished more when you lose to
somebody You're Indiana, okay, because this has been one of
your deals forever. How you have unmercifully always criticized the
golfers for a weak non conference schedule all the time,

(06:55):
like they're the only ones that do it. Okay, Right,
you do that all the time, and you wonder you're.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Going to do the Alabama example again, Well, I do it.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
All the time. Well you know when you look at
let me let me just tell you this week, okay. Well,
two things. First of all, when Kirk Signetti was criticized
early in the year, started the year he said, well,
I'm just doing an sec schedule. No one's criticized in
his schedule. Now he had a plan, but everybody wanted
to criticize him, including you, especially if he would have

(07:27):
been the golfer coach rather than THEA coach. But I'm
glad you've moved on though, you know, because I just
like to set this record stake. But this week, this week,
you've got number three Texas A and M, which is
having a great year. Some people think they're the best
team in the country. They played Samford, not Stanford, samam

(07:47):
for okay, Charlotte is going to number four Georgia Charlotte.
Is Brewster still there at Charlotte, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Alabama is hosting Eastern Illinois.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Illinois Illinois, come on, yeah, okay?

Speaker 3 (08:05):
And then LSU. They've got their problems, but they had
visions of being a national champ at one time. They
got Western Kentucky, so you know, you know, it's kind
of crazy, And along with that is one of my
favorite things. I know. There's a lot of Notre Dame
fans out there. They get you know, a lot of people,

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you know, because they turn on a lot of TV sets.
They're going to get the NOD no matter what in
this college football playoff. But you got Alabama at ten
and you got Notre Dame at nine. Okay, yes, Notre
Dame's big win this year. They beat number fifteen USC
at which a lot of people would question if they're
that good Alabama, They've got wins against number four Georgia,

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number fourteen Vanderbilt, number twenty Tennessee, and number twenty two Missouri.
So at least on that, you say, you know who
is more deserving on what they've played? Now, I know,
I know that not to d Any played Navy last week.
The Navy's having a great year, but there's still Navy.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know how well you should be on the committee.
Why didn't you on the committee? Why because all the
time in the world you maybe you could help some
of these wrongs.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, I because I would talk to.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
This oh yeah, and yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
And then the guys that really run it aren't those guys.
It's the guys that in the back room, like the
Wizard of Oz that pulled the string. That's true called TV.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
You think TV's and show, there's no doubt you think
they are making the decisions.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know, there's a lot of swindles out there. If
you don't think there's not swindles in this college football
playoff and unless stuff of your wrong, Well.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Do you then feel how many years did you work
for Big ten network?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Know, it's a long time.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Wasn't I have? Like fourteen?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Was it that long?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Fourteen?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Do you feel any guilt for that?

Speaker 6 (09:51):
Now?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, because I mean that you're then you're part of
the kabbab I spoke working for the government.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Not even do I still work for him? Now? Maybe
I know still work I talked about that it is?

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Maybe now you wouldn't never, you never would have said
this when you were still working with the Big ten.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
That's not true, you know, No, I was. No, I
was not a total company man. That was.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's good to know. Larry Mondela guy's checking in. You're
gonna love this. It was always we're talking about quarterbacks,
and I want to talk about JJ with you in
a bit.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Uh. He says.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It was always hard to tell if Mason's quarterbacks were
struggling like McCarthy because he ran the ball seventy five
times a game. It's Larry Mondela Guy.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Hey, Larry, who's the first team in college football to
run for two thousand yards and throw for two thousand
yards in the same season two years in a row.
Check it out, Larry.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It is senior face. It's just trying to let me.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Hey, Larry, if you're a Gopher fan, I bet you
wish they could run the football like we used to run.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Why there, there, it is senior face. There, it is
man the as we say across the bow.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I got a great story for you want to hear it? Now?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Why why not have your show?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Is a little dull? Anyway, I was watching b yu
play Why Hey, it just wasn't on TV. Was watching
him and somebody asked me, did you ever play b
y U? And I said twice one time when I
was an assistant coach at Ohio State. Both times both

(11:28):
covers is there and we played him and Steve Young
was the quarterback, and uh we beat up on him
pretty good. But the story I wanted to talk about
when I was at Kansas, when I first went, the
program was down, and uh we went to a ballgame?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Was this year zero?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
What's that was this year? No? I didn't have zero
that it was it was like, uh, third or fourth
year we went to And that was back when not
every team went to a ball game, not because you
had a winning ring and you went to a ball game.
I'm blaming. It was tough. So anyway, the program is low.
We did and so we were good enough for going
to a bowl game. And I told the players, this

(12:10):
is a reward. You guys been through a lot. We're
going to have a good time. So we went to
Hawaii to play Bye Nice and I structured it. Then
we practiced early in the morning, hit the beach, and
then everybody went to the beach, including me. We were
having a good time. So now the day before the
game and I daily press conference, one of the guys said, hey, Coach,

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do you know you have a game to play here,
don't you? And I said, well yeah. They said, we
only seen you guys on the beach playing volleyball sun
tan looking at the girls. What's going on? Well I
really didn't worry about it. Well, the next day we
played the game opening kickoff BYU one hundred yards for

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a touchdown. I thought, oh boy, here we go. Maybe
these guys were right. Well, we got the ball back
second play, we ran a trick play, a double reverse pass,
touchdown seven to seven. Okay, so now we're tied up.
I mean we're going the whole way, battling back and forth.
And I had an All American field goal kicker by
Danny i Cloth really good, a non football player, but

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a place kicker that we got out of Fort Lauderdale,
Florida is a soccer player. So now we got to
get the last drive. We got the ball and I
got in my pocket. I got Danny Icloth. Well. Once
we get in field goal range, I tell the coaches
play for the field goal. Don't mess it up. You
know I got I got the sure thing here. Well,
first down, next thing, you know, Danny Icloss standing right

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next to me and he's talking on my sleeve. I
look at it and go, Danny, get ready to win
the field goal. He goes, you got to go to.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
The bathroom till I do you remember this? Yeah, you've
told the story.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, and it's just your story. I said, what are
you talking about?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Now?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Second down? He goes, Coach, I really got to go.
And I'm thinking what So I said, Danny, you know,
I don't know, I'll get the hold the talent and
go go. He goes, no, I really gotta go to
the bathroom. I can't kick. I can't do it. I
can't run in that field. And I'm thinking, what now
you're on the sideline and I'm thinking, what can you do?
You got to be great? And I look at Pat Rule,

(14:16):
my offensive line coach, and I'm thinking, fake a heart attack,
fall down on the ground, fake a heart attack. You
got to start the gay get the doctors out there.
I'll tell Danny God and he comes back, I'll wake it.
Pat Rule will jump up, you know, and he'd be
okay and the game will go on and kick the
field goal. I think I can't do that. I mean
that came out. They'd kill me. So now it's fourth down.

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I grabbed get in there, and he goes in there,
and sure enough he kicks the winning field goal and
he comes out, and you know, I'm high fighting. Okay,
Danny can go now, he says, I don't have to
go anymore. So, I mean, that's what I think about
the b YU game.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
You have told that story. So was he faking it
or did he hit just pass? I mean, as a coach,
like trying to.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Get just get you the only guy with a fake.
It was me telling the guy to have a heart.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
At times that would be what's the closest. Did you
ever have a player faken injury?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
You probably did. Every coach, doctor not.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Staring a game. Man, you need to get out of practice.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, not in the game. They'll stop the cloud.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
You know, here's one of my pet peeves that I watch. Okay,
you know I.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Used to just college or PROSU.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm gonna say, uh, College, It used to be if
you got injured, you had to get off the field,
there was a time out. You know. The coaches I'll
tell you, hey, you know, boy, unless you really I mean,
you'd see guys crawling off the field. So they didn't
get a time out. Now I'm not sure that was
healthy or not, but now it isn't. They stopped the game.

(15:44):
Coaches run on that field, like the doctor to check
them out and all that kind of stuff. And but
if a guy's hurt, fine, But so many times you think,
oh man, the guy's really hurt. They got three doctors
out there, and the guy jumps up, runs to the sideline.
The next place in there drives me, crazy, what are
we talking about? You know, you got it tough enough
a little bit, so I don't know if those guys,

(16:05):
and I know they've faked injuries. Uh, you know the
slow offense is down in some games. I now you
get penalized. Like, yeah, I don't know what the deal is.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm trying to get. I think I'm still blocked by Brewster.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Let me see.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Let me try Tim Brewster. Yeah, Tim Breuser has blocked you, unfortunately,
but I think he is. I think he's looked up
he's the interim head coach at Charlotte. Is that true?

Speaker 7 (16:30):
I looked up that he was the interim and now
he's once again the associate head coach and the tight
ends coach.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's what I've got. Oh really, okay, interim for a
couple of games. Here's a couple recent Brewster tweets. We're
not just getting checks. We hitting people. Hashtag physical, we
hitting people, hitting we hitting people.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
We are hitting people.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Uh so blown away by the passion of Jackson State
fan base, crazy love for the Tigers.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh he's at Jackson State. Now, well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm confused. I have no Charlotte. I think maybe he
was just he was praising Charlotte. Yeah, he saw our
Jackson State. It's it's endless man it you know, Brew,
But I'm do you follow him on Twitter on x No,
you're not on xmore. That's actually smart, that's very smart.

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Hell of a battle already with Tulane in Memphis. This
could be last possession. He's just throwing throwing out stuff
out there about all kinds of things. He's he's he's Brew,
but I'm blocked. Are you blocked? Blake Moore probably doesn't know. Yeah,
well chance, yeah, but if you have a Minnesota in
your name at all, you know location, then you'll he
blocks everybody from Minnesota pretty much. That's that's how it's

(17:49):
gone so far. Gophers Oregon another non competitive performance that
was I think pretty much over pretty fast. Before it
was done, I think I think the Gophers had won
one drive. Oregon was down at least one, maybe two

(18:10):
of their receivers. So I don't know how much of
it you watched, but the I think the big the
concern for me this year has been not being not
joining the battle in any of these games, and what
I get back, if I'm being honest, Here's what I
get back from people. Well, Oregon's got Phil Knight and

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they got five hundred million dollars, and so how is
it realistic to expect that Minnesota could go to Eugene
and compete with the Gophers now or with the with
the Ducks. You coached at a time where you were
at disadvantage. The different disadvantages were different, but they were existed, right,
There wasn't nil but the money that you know, the

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other coaching staff's that money, that sort of thing. So
what do you say, is that enough to explain forty
two to thirteen or what do you think?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well? I think that if PJ was on this show
and he asked them did they think they played well?
They played good? I think you'd probably say no, I
he didn't expect his team. Yeah, they don't have Phil
Knight or whatever, but you know you still have a team. Now.
If you're going to buy into that mentality, why play

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the game? You know why? I mean, just give up?
You know, just what are we talking about? I mean,
you know, if you're in a conference and you're taking
the money and you're doing all this stuff, and some
people are going to have better resources than others. The
only thing you can ever be critical? Are you using
all the resources that are afforded to you? You know,

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I don't know if they are or not, you know,
but when I watch that game. When I watch a game,
if the Gophers are playing, whoever's playing, I really am nonpartisan.
I'm watching it as you know, a guy has spent
his life up ball or TV or whatever, and I'm
just looking the whole dealing. And I'm quite critical on
the team that I think is well coached or not
well coached or whatever. And my criticism of the Gophers,

(20:13):
if that's it, or the evaluation not criticism, is that
when I look, I think their quarterback has talent, you know,
they really do. I don't think the offensive line plays great,
you know, or or good. I'm not really impressed with
the wide receivers where you'd say, boy, that guy he

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can not that they're bad. I'm not saying that guy,
they can really make something happen. But looking at the offense,
I'd say their inability to run the football, which has
been really consistent, puts too much pressure on that quarterback.
You know, you hear anybody will talk about a good
running game is the best friend of a quarterback. You know,

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and if somebody thinks of a defensive coordinator and they're talented,
thanks you one dimensional. You got problems, right, you know.
Oh yeah, they'll they'll break off a run, but it
might be a twenty yard run. It's not going to
be an eighty yard run. Man. There's a lot of
different things they can do defensively. But I looked at that,
you know, when I looked at that game, I forty
two to thirteen I think was a score. The score

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was really worse than that score. The game was forcing
that score. And maybe the disheartening thing if you go
for me and said, well we gotta beat beat we
didn't even have any turn horse.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
No, that's true.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
You know a lot of times you get beat like that,
you kind of like beat yourself. That wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oregon didn't punt with their starters. Okay, this this gentleman
Jim from Saint Paul texts almost every time we have this,
any Gopher related conversation. I'm just going to read it
and give you a chance to respond. It's sort of
related to what I was asking you earlier. But this
is a lot of what I get twenty twenty five
nil money Gophers ranked forty eighth at two hundred million,

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Iowa is sixteenth at five hundred million, Oregon number one
at nine hundred and seventy million, which doesn't even make
any sense to me. But these numbers, you can't seriously
be judging PJ and how he competes against teams with
that much money to buy play.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, you know what my answer is, if you're a
real go over fan, who's in charge of raising the
I in m money, get after them. What's their job?
You know, if you're going to compete in the Big ten,
maybe the competition level has gone to someone else. It's
not just the coach, you know why. I mean I
heard forever when I was here. Oh, look at the

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Twin City. Look at all the Fortune five. You know,
there's nothing in Iowa City. There's nothing in the brat.
I mean, no one has the resources. Well is everybody
tapping those resources? I don't know. But the thing that
I think has to be noted forever, even before nil
and all that stuff. If you would have looked at

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the football budgets even when I coached here, you know
you could say we were a fraction of what highest
state was spending and I used to say, wait a minute.
If a highest state has to spend that with all
the built in advantage that they have that I know
that they have, what do you think we have to spend?
Why do you think that they can get to the

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roadstalls right when their budgets twenty five million in ours
is ten. Don't make any sense?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
All right, let's break bottom of the hour. A lot
of good text coming in, by the way, I'm hearing that.
Most recently, Brew was the was the associate head coach
at Sacramento State. Wow, that came after and you know him.
It's like every year he's someplace else. That is the
That's the last I can find associate senior associate head

(23:42):
coach for Sack State. He was hired for that position
in June twenty twenty five, and he was interim head
coach in Charlotte in late twenty twenty four. More with
Mace don't forget Kessler coming up after the top five
at five back.

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(25:02):
find It's turning into a mystery. That's bugging me. I
can't find our guy Brew on the Sacramento State site
any longer. And I'm looking at a story that he
was hired there this past summer.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
So I don't know what's going on with Brew. Has
he already gone to he did he, you know, get replaced.
We'll try to get to the bottom of I know
there's some Brew historians out there who can help us.
Uh what give me your take and your read on
the Lane Kiffin story? Oh boy, I mean, because there's
a lot of stuff going on there.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, it's uh. You don't hear him say I'm staying
at all miss You know, I said I'm going to
address the rumors with my players, So what what does
that mean? Manell? The day before Nick Saban went to Alabama,
it's fun of everybody said I Am not going to
Alabama Boom until he was us. I did see where

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he came out and one of the things he said,
you know, when you're considering jobs as a coach, in
his mind, you should consider two things, the ability to
win a national championship and approximity proximity to talent. Well,
based on those two things in recent history, you think

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he's either going to LSU or he's going to Florida,
you know, and probably LSU. I mean, it seems like
everybody wins a national championship except Brian Kelly at LSU.
Now they don't last long after that, and the talent
down in Louisiana is unbelievable. So I wouldn't be a

(26:45):
bit surprised that he would go. He would leave Ole Miss.
He's done a great job there. I'm not a big
playe Kiffin fown, but he's a good football coach. And
everybody would say the one job that he really, really,
really always want was Alabama. And I know a lot

(27:06):
of I know some Alabama people they wanted him last
time around. You know, they think he's a heck of
a coach, and he is. Now. There's some other questionable stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, we've gone through some of that before. Here's the
I think the more important question to me, does the
school have a right to say we're figuring this out now,
or you're not coaching the rest of the way, including
the postseason. Is that too tough of a stand for
the school to take, or do they have a right

(27:36):
to take?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Employer? But a lot of times people are afraid to
ask the tough question because they know the answer that
they might get and they don't want him to leave,
and they're afraid that they do that. If he says, well,
I wasn't sure, but I'm going now. You know, you
know what I'm saying. So you think it's dangerous, Yeah,
I think that they're that if you're old, miss, you're

(27:58):
probably wishing in one hand and doing something else on
the other hand. And and you know, it's gonna probably
fill up faster. If he's gonna go, he's gonna go.
And the only thing they can do is behind the
scenes say hey, we know, we really want to keep you,
and what else do we have to do to keep you?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
So it sounds like what you're saying is you just got
to play it out. I think so, even though it's uncomfortable,
even though it's weird, and you may well be he
may well be lame ducking it. You got to just
you know, I had.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
A coach one time when I was at Minnesota that
I did exactly what you're talking about. He came to
you know, I would lose I hate to say it,
I'd lose coaches to inferior program inferior conferences for more
money that I couldn't pay him. And I had a guy, Uh,
we're getting ready to play Alabama. And I had a
coach come to me and said, you know, I got

(28:48):
a call from so and so and he wants to
talk to me about a job. And I just, quite
a matter of fact, said what are you taking it
or not? Well, I don't know, but he you know,
I know him from college, and I think I should
talk to him. And I said, no, here's the deal.
Either you're going to take the job or you're not
going to take the job. But that's the way it is.
And he said, well, I said, well, you think about

(29:09):
overnight come in and he said, came in the next
day and he said, well, I'm not sure. So I'm
going to make it easy for you take the job
because you're not coaching here anymore. What I said, you're not,
I said, I either you're in or you're out. I
need a hundred percent in and uh so we went
and he left, and uh he probably would have left anyway,

(29:32):
that's my point, you know what I mean. And for
a couple it was it was Greg Hudson, who I
really like. So he went, he left, He left Minnesota
Big ten and he went to East Carolina. You know,
come on, that.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Makes no sense where he understood where you're coming.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
And I told I'll take you to the ball game
and take your family ball game, but you're not going
to coach. So I was the defensive coordinator for the
Alabama game. And and when that workout and we won
the game, won the game. Yeah, I was that that game.
Yeah that was Nashville, right, What do you mean Nashville? Nashville,
wasn't that? I said, National Nashville. Yeah, Music is your

(30:11):
favorite bowl, Music City Bowl.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
They got a statue of you at the Music City
should probably they probably should. So it's it's pretty much setting.
I mean, does does Michigan have a chance to knock
off a house state? I mean, we're all assuming it's Gonulna,
be any any out Ohio state in the.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I didn't think they had a chance last year. Yeah,
I mean I really didn't. You know. I was traveling
that weekend and I think I had a chance, and
I was in an airport and I saw, if you remember,
Michigan was driving and they threw an interception down on
the goal line.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, I got on a plane. Off the plane.
They won the game. I couldn't believe it. I don't
know how they beat him again, and yeah, you know,
and it turned out that twelve game playoff. Ryan Dade
probably not the coach at Aida state'rue. I'm just telling
you because losing the Michigan three years in a row,

(31:09):
I mean they wanted to They wanted to hang him
in Columbus in Ohio. Then he wins a national championship
and now he's God gives the coaching, but you lose again.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I don't know is twelve the right number. I mean,
everybody assumes we're going to go to sixteen on the playoffs.
Money wise, sure, yeah, maybe more TV.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
You saw where I saw the article where the Big
ten they were really thinking about taking the private equity money.
You remember what's happening. You look at the guy and
I don't know him, and I'm sure he's a fine gentleman.
The commissioner the Big ten. Now he's got a TV background.
You not a coach, not an educate, he is TV.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
And I told you everything.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
But there was two teams that did not want it, okay,
and it was Michigan and USC to the place where
I don't know if this is true or not, where
Michigan says, well, we'll go independent. We're not going to
go that route like that. And then I also saw
that to my point, the rich get richer if they

(32:19):
did that, the distribution of the money was not going
to be equal. You know, you had Thai schools, you
had three schools. We're going to get like one hundred
and ninety million, and then the rest of them were
going to get one hundred and fifty million. Well one
hundred fifty million lont of money, but it's not as
much as one hundred and ninety million, you know. So
it's it's a crazy crazy. The thing is broke. This

(32:43):
thing is absolutely broke right now. And and tell you
to the first thing they have to do, the whole
focus is on generating revenue. Well, there's another issue that
you you do when you have financial problem, you get
spending under control. I mean, they're spending it faster than

(33:06):
they're making it. I mean, it's it's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
There's no under control spending being done right now.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I said, to affect. Our guy's not here.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, he's in where you used to coach.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
He's in Kansas Buffet Lane. Bob is down at Lawrence, Kansas.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
What when I said to him, he said, we're going
down to women's basketball, and so that's not a bad
driving someone. We charter see you Charter, Yeah, we you
know charter all games, you know, I think all sports do.
It doesn't matter if you make money, loose money or whatever.
But you know they're I mean when I used to

(33:42):
go back to Lawrence, Kansas, I didn't fly. I drove.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
You did, did absolutely well. You like driving though, well
I know that, but I like to well.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
By the time I would would have to drive to
the airport and park the car and get there an
hour early. And then you fly there. Then you got
to rent a car and drive it along. And the
best thing is when I was done whenever I was doing,
to get the car and drive out.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's true, that's the advantage.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
But it's crazy. It's at of control right now, they
and you know back in the college football I talked
about before they used to have the what are they
CFA College Football Association back in the late eighties. Prior
to that, it was all about TV again because prior

(34:26):
to that, the ncua A controlled the TV contract and
they put sixty three schools together, Pack ten. Big ten
were not part of it. They didn't want any part
of it, and it was all about how we're going
to generate get away from that, have a lawsuit, be
able to have our own conferences. But the other thing
they talked about, and there's an athletic director at the

(34:47):
University of Tennessee by named Doug Vickie, it only ever
talked about was cost containment. Big word fellas, if we
don't get our cost under control, we're going to be
out of business. He couldn't have been more wrong. Well,
the other thing he was doing, it was really a
swindle because well he was talking to that Tennessee was
building all these.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
One hundred thousand seat stadiums there as I say, not
as I do. That's true. I one more break. I
do want to talk JJ McCarthy with you, because that's
a big topic of conversation around here. We'll get to
some texts regarding that, and a couple other leftovers for Mace.
Top five at five yet to come with an injury
report that's going to be milked by Brett blakemore because

(35:27):
the Packers have a lot more injuries than do the Vikings.
He's setting up the excuse for Sunday at Lambeau and
then Kessler. I think it's just walked in the room.
He will join at about five point.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
Thirty time now for the Vikings report on the van
presented by Miller Lte. Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins
danbur room.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Next, Marc, one more quickie with Mace in your face
before the top five at five. Mace, let me up
this part of the conversation with an exchange. Well, actually
wasn't an exchange. It was a tweet by Chris Carter,

(36:10):
a response by Chris Carter to somebody else's tweet, and
then somebody responding to what Chris Carter had to say.
So apparently Sunday I think this was Sunday. At some
point after the Vikings loss, another media member whose name
now escapes me, got on Twitter to praise McCarthy's clutch
Gene regarding that last drive where after a bad game

(36:34):
he did have a good drive down the stretch. They
go ahead, they can hold the lead. Chris Carter, who
was in the building by the way, yesterday or I
should say Sunday as it turns out, responded to that
tweet about the clutch gene by writing did you watch
the first fifty nine minutes? And then Carter also added

(36:54):
a thumbs down emoji, at which point I guess Private
position coach for JJ McCarthy his name is Hulcombe. Greg
Holcombe responded, hold on, you put your mic on. He
didn't put your mic on. It's nice of Blakemore to
pay attention. Well, it's unbelievable. He's too busy talking to kiss.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Private position coach.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Well that's how I don't even know. You tell me
what is that? Then it's a different world now, Mace,
Private position coach wrote bleeping clown to Chris Carter. Now
I got Chris Carter back on the phone today because
we had him on Monday, and I said, you want
to respond and he said, yeah, I'm not going to

(37:39):
go back on the radio. My response is, who is
this guy?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Like?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
To your point, absolutely no idea. So you tell me
what you see with McCarthy. I mean, obviously they got
to play him. I mean you got to keep playing them,
you got to get him out there. But what what
when you watch him? I mean, it was pretty bad
before it got good late. Again, he's young. There are
a lot of young quarterbacks who are inaccurate but statistic

(38:06):
by Turthy analytics. He's historic. He's been historically bad thus far.
So what do you think.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well, you know, first of all, you go right to
I talked about before that when you win, the quarterback
gets way too much prize and praise. I mean, you
lose too much criticism. And if they hadn't given that
kickoff return, Yeah, and they win, to the end of
the game, the whole focus would have been on, boy,
what a clutch player. I agree. Now I'm saying that

(38:34):
you just don't look at one play. You just don't
you look at the whole body of work, so to speak.
And you've heard me talk about this before, evaluating players.
And I used to talk about quarterbacks, so this isn't
specific to J. J. McCarthy, but I said, you know
a lot of good quarterbacks. Good quarterbacks, they're ten handicappers.
That's a problem when you're a coach. Okay, unless you

(38:56):
have a great, great supporting cast. I said. The reason
why it's a problem because anybody who plays golf, you know,
you have a ten handicapper, he can you know, on
a given day, might shoot seventy nine. He shoots seventy nine,
you wing win. Everybody's dancing. That same handicapper might shoot
ninety two. The day he shoots ninety two, you get fired.

(39:17):
You know. That's why it is. Now. If a guy's
a five handicap quarterback, okay, he might shoot a seventy
six for you, he ain't never gonna shoot a ninety two.
What I'm saying is the consistency. And that's what I
see in JJ McCarthy. I mean some of those passes
that sailed so far over his head. And I was

(39:37):
watching the game and Tom Brady, I thought, was doing
a pretty good job of trying to defend his brother brother,
you know what I mean. And I'm sure what he's thinking.
He said, I never threw a pass like that. You know,
I never threw a pass like that at Michigan May.
I don't know. It sounds like I'm being a Christy

(40:00):
j Jim McCart I'm not. He Yeah, he's young, but
some of those things like that, you know, learning the
complexity of defense of the National Football League and the
pressure that you're always under. That he never had to
deal with the pass rush when he was playing for
Michigan because his offensive line was a lot better than

(40:22):
those guys that were rushing. That's not true in pro football.
But when when you're not and the guy's wide open
and the ball sales ten feet over a guy's head.
I think that's the ten handicapper problem. Yeah, that's fair,
it's true. You know. You know, if if at that
point in time as you mature, you know, a ten handicapper,

(40:44):
if he practices a lot and gets a little bit
better and stuff, he may be an eight. He ain't
never going to be a five, you know. And that's
my analogy.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Chris Carter is getting ripped by some Vikings fans for saying,
if you're an ex player, you shouldn't be that critical,
and that the only reason he's being that critical is
JJ McCarthy went to the University of Michigan, big rival
of your Ohio State. Is that fair?

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (41:15):
No, I don't think so. I I think and I
understand where that critician would come from, but I think
you would attest to, uh, yeah, I went to a
high state. I'm not a high state fan.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I mean I used to say I had to compete
against him, I had to recruit against him, I had
to play against him. And then when I became a
TV guy who really worked hard to really be generic.
You know, I coached a high state played a high
state coach of Minnesota. I coached it on on. I
didn't want anybody to know why I coached any of
those places. I just wanted to be a guy that

(41:50):
hopefully knew you know, knew something about football. But my
point is it's been a long time since Chris Carter
was at a high state. Those those feelings get the
finished over time, I think, especially when you've played the
career that Chris Carter had. Yeah, and I mentioned this again,
Chris Carter. Chris Carter is the smartest football player I

(42:11):
was ever around. He played wide receiver at Ohio State
when I was there, and you know, we were knowing
to run the plub I'll tell you he was a
great receiver. But I'm gonna tell you I can still
see him and here he played X receiver. He come
on and look over that defense. He'd be going to
the quarterback. What what's coming?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
What's coming?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
He could pick it help like that.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, even before, did you spend any time around him here?
Did you overlap year at all?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
No? No, I think he was gone.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
But has you already gone by that? I can't even remember.
I guess, Yeah, you've been gone. You've been gone a
while from head coaching job. I mean you're still.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Eighteen years time. Uh, and you had something to do
with it, So don't I had nothing to do it.
Don't even start going back. Power. Yeah, no, power, You
had the power of the pants. You know people forty
down he used to write to.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Most people don't even know that. I know, seriously, the
kids don't have no idea that I have a wrote.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Away from you, and you got to.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
You're gonna like this. This is solid Blaine on college
the state of college football. It is broke. Penn State
fires their coach and he's now the coach at Virginia Tech.
Brian Kelly and his fake accents fired. Also, uh knows
who knows where he lands. You got Kiffin who's coaching
a playoff team and his rumor here and there, players
moving every year, starting to get tough to enjoy college sports,
basically pro sports without rules. I know they got some

(43:31):
sort of salary cap, but that's a joke. There really
is no cap in college sports. Now, that's solid, Blaine.
You probably agree with you.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
I agree with you one hundred percent. A guy I
loved college football. I owe so much to college football.
I can't even tell you. It's hard for me to worry.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Even you can't even recognize it now, can't.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
And the important things are lost now, Dan, I really
believe that when when college athletics used to and I'll
say football providing an opportunity to earn your scholarship, to
earn pay your weights through school because you earned it,
because you went out. There was no free ride. You

(44:10):
earned every sense of it. But the things that were emphasized,
like getting an education and learning how to be a
good leader, a good teammate, a good citizen, behaving yourself,
you know, all that kind of stuff that's meaningless now.
And the reason I say that is that the reality
was no one sold pro football because such a small

(44:31):
percentage of guys would ever get a chance. The only
thing they could count on to better themselves is if
they got the education that they ended up with a degree.
That's all. I don't think. I don't think anybody even
sells that stuff anymore. They don't want to hear it.
All they want to hear is what's my nil package?
And that's it. And the wird thing about it. So

(44:53):
if you're not a half and you go in and
you do a good job of evaluating and getting players
and do a good job but developing them like we
did here you know Minnesota, well you develop him, you
know what happens because the transfer portal, someone will steal
him and he's gone. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
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Speaker 3 (45:21):
What better place to spend some holiday times. That's a
great point. Actually, yeah, you're right, I mean, yeah, thanks,
he got there. They got the Christmas tree up and
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
And come to think of it, we're gonna have to
rearrange next week's schedule because I am not working on Wednesday.
We are off on Wednesday, so we're going to work
around that.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Are you committed or not?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I'll tell you the story off air Yeah, there's a
there's a good backstory that I don't think the listeners
care about any Okay, he's got to get to the update.
What's coming up in the update

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Wild Wolves both in action tonight and some injury report updates.