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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's time for another edition of May in Your Faith Now,
along with College Football Immortality Glenn Mason.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here's Dan morero.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
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support over the years from carry Limo as well. You
can speak to what we got into at the start
of the show that has nothing to do with football.
We've had a pretty significant snow the last couple of days.
You got here, what year ninety nine? Oh no, you
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don't remember what I got No, I don't remember the year.
I'm sorry. I got here in December ninety six, ninety six,
that's right, Okay, December ninety six. So that means you've
been here almost well that's thirty years, more than thirty years,
so you've been here long enough that you can be
a judge of this. Do you believe on the basis
of your experience inces driving, walking, running, that we do
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as a community as good a job now handling the roads,
you know, plowing all that kind of good stuff, salting
as we did when you first got here. Is there
any is there any discernible difference to you? Are we
getting sloppy? Are we are we resting on you know?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And I'm not trying to dodge it. But I used
to drive on the road a lot more than I drive.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I mean, I was all the time. You know. It
wasn't one of those things all it's going to be bad.
I can't go.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And uh I used to say it was amazing the
job that Minnesota did with their roads because I had
to go all the time, and there wasn't really any
time that I can remember that I say, you know,
I can't make it. I gotta I gotta stop where recently?
Uh I remember last year I had a Mayo clinic appointment.
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I got up in the morning and I said, I
got to go. And I got on four ninety four.
I want one exit, and I turned around and went
back because that right, I couldn't see the road. I
couldn't see anything. Wow, couldn't keep going. So if you
forced me, I'd say it was better then than it
is now.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Interesting and thought, yeah that I I think there's been
some slippers And some people said, well, my that els
might have to do with money. Is there is there
a do we spend as much? Because this stuff's not cheap? Right,
You got to get plow drivers, You've got to get
you got to Sault. All this stuff adds up.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So oh, our taxes have gone down? No, I guess
they haven't.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, I don't think they have. That's why I'm still
surprised you're here. Why, Well, because I mean, I don't
think you like the high taxes.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't like the high time.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You know what Louis you know I got a dodge.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, I know that, mister Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that. Though. Let's
race it, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's uh, they talked a good game in Minnesota, myth,
the tradition and.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All, and then off they go, we go.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, there's there's probably some truth to what you what
you say there. As I said, if you have questions
for May six four, six eighty six is the Bradshaw
and Bryant k f A n text line. We will
name the late our first ASNAMI of this winter season,
perhaps heading into the second segment with Mace as well.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Can we go in for can I mentioned some before
for of course please, I just hate to interrupt you,
but I brought up a number of times. But Greg
Gaslinger was inducted into the National Football Fandashian Hall of
Fame in Las.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Vegas, and I I think it was.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You know, you talk about a guy that was a
two time All American won the Outland Trophy and and
you know how hard it is to win the Outland
Trophy at the University of Minnesota and the Remington Award
for the best Center, I mean truly great. And I
saw on social media all the pictures with all the
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dignitaries of Minnesota taking pictures with him out there, and
I got to say, again, I know guards he gets tired.
Why is his name not up in the stadium Altland
Trophy winner?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He wait a minute. And I also saw.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The dignitaries that were out there. I'm sure they took
the private jet out there. But Matt Spaith, who won
the Mackie Award, you know how hard it is to
win the Mackie Award. And I even have a bigger
beef there. Matt Spaith is not in the m Club
Hall of Fame? Are you kidding me? And besides that,
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Eslinger and Matt Spaith, besides being great players, you can't
find two better human beings in the world. Great students,
great citizens, unbelievable representatives of the university, and why they're
not getting that recognition is beyond me. And there's some
other guys.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I know.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We're out there to Mark Senistrim, who was a great
lineman in his own right, only overshadowed by Eslinger and
and Kevin Solomon, one of my favorite guys.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
He journeyed out there too. But Esleyer and Spaith are
not getting their fair due.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm telling you, I have my theory. This is a
new theory I've been working on to explain what seems
to be the inexplicable. I think they're trolling you. I think,
for some reason, there's somebody still at the you. Maybe
it's the person who's got the TV. I don't know,
there's somebody at the you that knows this is a
big issue with you. It's been a massive issue with
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you on this show for years. And so they're just
they're they're almost purposeful. I'm not defending it, the almost
purposely saying no, the more he talks about it, the
less likely we're going to do it. What other explanation
makes sense?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Are you telling me I should keep my mouth shut?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Is that I would never want to say that, because
that does not make for as good a radio if
if we do a show in which you keep your
mouth shut then when going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I'm just.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Wondering if there's somebody or because you've been gone so long,
they don't even recognize that era anymore. That that you
tell me what the X met guards. He's the guy
who should know.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I have absolutely no expert. It's it doesn't it's no
skin off of mine. It doesn't reflect me. It's it's
it's not even self serving. It would be self serving
for them to put up there and advertise that there's
been some great players in the modern day era, not
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in ancient football, and those guys are as good as
they come.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mentioned to the this tou off air inyanda football
getting I've actually heard a rumor about this from my
guy Rick Bos that you still lives in the area,
that he'd hurt, a rumor that a player, a key player,
had gotten hurt postgame celebration. And my first thought was,
who did one is one of these guys that something stupid?
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Well in this, by the way, the player's name is
Stephen Daily and he's one of their best defensive players.
And in this case, he wasn't being stupid. I don't
think he was actually I think trying to be kind
to people beyond the end zone in the seats that
were up high. Who's your fan, so he's reaching up
just to high five them. Comes down badly. We don't
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know exactly what the injury is. They're not saying it
was obviously must be a foot or a knee or
an ankle or something. He has been declared by Signetti
out not only for the first round Indiana game, I
guess that's the second round because they have a bye,
but the rest of the postseason, which is devast and
by the way, he wasn't even a starter at the
start of the season. He was their depth and ended
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up being one of their best defensive players. That's got
to be fairly devastating to any team in their SOFY.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Sure, obviously it's devastating to that young man, but you
you know, you think as as coach Signetti, you know,
you go through winter conditioning, you go through Spring Prime,
you go through summer conditioning, you go through two today practice,
you going through the season, and you're trying to do
everything to prepare your team but minimize injuries, and you
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get all the way to the championship game. You win
the Big Ten championship, You're in the college football playoff.
You've succeeded with this guy, and he goes and celebrates
just a freak injury. You know, the only time I
else I remember something like that. I remember O High
A State was playing. It might have been the rose Ball,
I'm not sure. And Ted Godd Junior scored on a
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touchdown I don't know, I was a I don't know
if it was a pass or yeah, and he jumped
up in the end zone to high fives.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Teammate celebrated and came down and twisted his knee.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Done for the games, Crazy Gus farot head buttted the
wall and then he heard the ones that are dumber, Yeah,
where I think are more rippable these, I mean, if
you're not like doing a fancy dance or anything.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Who was the kicker? Was it Grammatica? The kicker who
got his knee that way? For the record, Daily led
the Big Ten this season with nineteen tackles for loss
and had five and a half sacks. He was a
really good, a very good defensive player. Now, did you
have any rules for your players when it came to celebration,
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like where to say don't do anything stupid. Is that
something that ever came up in your mind where you
felt like you had to literally had to be careful.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Because because in my day, there was there was hard
fast rules on excessive celebration. You know, so if if
you scored and even pointed at the end zone, you
got a flag, so you could about group up with
your own teammates for a second and then run away.
But you couldn't do one of these dances in the
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end zone. You couldn't spike the ball. You couldn't spin
the ball, and they were hard and fast on that,
And I don't know why they changed your mind.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But now it's not near as lenient as pro football,
but it's it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It still is, here's no question about that. We were
talking during the break before you started about the Big
Ten title game, which I thoroughly enjoyed just as a
game kind of a more of a defensive game than
we're accustomed to in a lot of college football. I
know you watched it start to finish, you called it
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on this show. You predicted an Indiana victory. So what
did you take what were your what were the main
MACE takeaways from the Big Ten title game.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I'd have to say that my takeaway was that Indiana
is better than I thought they were. I thought for
them to beat Ohio State that High State would have
to make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Now I missed it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I know they missed the short field goal, but I
thought there'd be turnovers and things like that. But what
amazed me when I you know, statistics can be very misleading,
but you look at Indiana versar O High State, and
High State's got all those five star players and four
star players, and they've got wide receivers that could start
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in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Right now, Indiana had more yards than they did.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And with that, when you talk about how good a
High State's defense would be, all the you know, Gus
Johnson and Joel Klatt, all the best defense in the country,
got Matt Patricia from Pro Football as the defensive coordinator.
They won't be able to move on. They've had more
rushing yards. They had one hundred and ten rushing yards
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to fifty eight against Ohio State. So I think it
was a classic example that and you've heard me say
it at nauseam. The thing I love about football is
the greatest team game. If you take a group of
guys with less talent, and they play better together as
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a team. They can beat a team with more talent.
And I think even though Indiana one are you an't
going to find many people say Indiana.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Had more talent.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
High State had more talent, but Indiana won the football game.
They had a I don't know if it's a better plan,
but they played better together as a team offense, defense,
kicking game.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
One of the guards of you know names better than I.
One of the athletic chief college football writers, I don't
recall who it was, wrote this. While all those teams
are great stories, laying out the great stories from this year,
as is ten and two Vanderbilt, Indiana's overnight ascendance to
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the top of the sport under second year coach Kurt
Signetti laps anything I've seen over the last thirty years
watching and covering college football. He mentions Northwestern ninety five
Rose Bowl out of nowhere, but the Wildcats didn't beat
the number one team in the country. Bill Snyder pulled
similar miracles of Kansas State, but that was a more
gradual build, and he reminds us Indiana went from two
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to ten, four and eight and three and nine in
Tom Allen's last three seasons to twenty three, and two
in Signette's first two years of Stuart Mandel. Mendel, thank you,
Stuart Mandell.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Perfect.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I've never seen anything like it. And I you know,
I've been around a long time watching college football, and
you know, and I've always said that there's a lot,
way too much recognition for some coaches that do great
things at great schools where everybody has won, and then
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you see some guys that are overshadowed that win or
be successful at schools that have really struggled. No one
struggled more than Indiana. And what they did last year
was amazing. What they did this year was spectacular because
they weren't going to sneak up on anybody this year.
I just and I said, you know, going in, I
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don't care if you backed up two brinks trucks full
with cash and said do whatever you wanted to do.
They couldn't have got this done. And I don't think
that they just did it with a bunch of good
football players.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They didn't have a.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Four star or five star on the roster, you know,
in this recruiting stuff all the time, I laugh at
these ratings. I don't follow recruiting all because it's meaningless.
But you think about the young man that I think
that should win the Heisman Trophy. I don't get a vote,
but if I had a vote, i'd vote for him.
His Mendoza. Okay, now think about it. He played football
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in Florida, Okay, all the SEC teams, all the Big
ten teams, everybody else recruits there.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
He doesn't go there. He goes all the way to Cal. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Now I have a hard time thinking that Cal beat
all those guys in recruiting. Okay, and then he's out
there and he plays, and then he goes into the
nil where he's up for grams for everybody, and he
goes to Indiana and he's the best quarterback in the country.
It's just kind of crazy. So it's it just goes
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show you don't get to enamored with these recruiting things
and four stars and five stars, just like there's a
lot of good football players on in the end of
that are three stars, two stars.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
No, Well, that's part of the reason, you know, because
this the recruiting season, the ratings are in, and compared
to past years, I think PJ is is higher, much
higher than usual. I've tended to not spend a lot
of time on it. Isn't because it can't be a
good recruiting class. It might be, but there's so much
you've taught me this, there's so much unknown that goes
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into it that it's hard. I think. I think the
more time you spend on it, the worst impression you give.
Because the truth is, you can evaluate all you want,
and sometimes these players end up being as good as advertisement.
A lot of times they're not, and you can get
kind of in false impression, good and bad really on
the basis of where you fall regarding these national rankings.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, you know, I was just talking about Greg Eislinger.
It comes from Bismarck, North Dakota, and he came to
our camp during the summer of twenties junior and senior year,
and I decided to offer him a scholarship. You know why,
because he was a tryhard, He was a hustle guy
in front of the line. I don't know if he
had any stars. I don't if anybody else was even
recruiting him, to be quite frankly, I don't remember. And
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I thought we could make a fullback out of him
or a special teams guy. And because he went very big,
and so we offered a scholarship and he took it.
And then by the time he showed up as a freshman,
he had grown significantly and we started out and all
of a sudden, I thought, this kid that we didn't
know anything about, he's our best center and started as
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a true freshman and played well. Now, no way could
anybody predicted that. When the recruiting rankings were coming out.
I've told you one of the things exercises I used
to do with my coaches signing date. Day after signing date,
I'd have them lists. Let's say you signed twenty five
guys one to twenty five, rank them yep, one being
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the best, and and I'd keep the list. They wouldn't
even go over or talk about it. And then when
they the freshman show up in three days of practice
before the other guys got there, I'd have my guys
rank them again independently, okay, and they probably couldn't remember
who they ranked or didn't rank, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But and then when the.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Upperclassmen came there after the first scrimmage, we'd rank them again.
You know how much correlation there was between one and
twenty five, and most importantly, typically at the end of
the day, some guy that was in the bottom five
became our best player, and some guy that might have
been in our top five was a bust.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
How do you figure.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Strategy?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Question?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
There were some media jackals who savaged Ryan Day for
not going forward on the fourth and one previous to
the missed chip shot field goal previous or after. Well,
that's a good question. Yeah, there may have been something
going on then. I don't know. They'll have to speak
for themselves. If Glenn Mason is in that exact same
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position that Ryan Day in Ohio State. I care in
you kick it, what's you're and what you're thinking?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well, I've got a better team, I've got a more
talented team. And you go to overtime, you think you
got the advantage. I already went for on fourth and one,
and they gave it to us, and the reviewed they.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Took it away.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I got that, and uh so you know that starts
playing into your mind and then you start thinking as
a coach down there, heck, I I would have kicked
on that fourth and one that I didn't get, and
I would have kicked on this one and I should
have got We went by three points in the game over.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
That's true. Now my problem wasn't I actually defended the
decision to kick the field goal. I think it's defensible
for sure, regardless of fact that Ohio State, you're okay,
we just we need one yard where Ohio State, let's
just get it. Didn't get it last time, exactly right,
And you gotta you know, your obligation is to that
that's the three points that you need, uh to.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't have thrown the ball. That's my issue.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
To me, if you don't intend to go for it
on fourth down, then I'm running it on third. I
can accept, you know, going passing on third if I'm
going to hold onto the ball and try for it
on fourth and then run. But to me, you got
to run on one of those two and and to me,
if you're not going to do fourth, then go ahead
and run the ball on third down. Don't try to
get so.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Sneaky in either situation. I'm running the ball.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now, you're probably running twice, so.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm gonna run twice.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I really wouldn't, you know, I I know
that the there's a there's a lot of teams in
pro football for whatever reason. You know, you see him
first and goal at the one, and they throw the ball,
you know, and why I'm not I'm not really sure,
you know, because there's a lot more things can go
wrong throwing the ball than running the ball. Now, I
know that it's hard to run and run the ball
in the NFL. Those big guys and they stack them
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all in there. Uh but you know, sometimes you want
to tell you guys got especially if you get two tries,
two tuys and we can't in the yard, we don't
deserve to win.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Well, the on the third down player is a really
nice defense. I don't remember who the in player was,
but made a really nice play in the second a
secondary play, just tipping the knocking the ball away because
it didn't look like a bad play. It was a
good play, it was, but it was very well defended.
Yeah for sure. All right, let's make this the bottom
of the hour break. We'll come back. We will name
officially the first Nonomie of the season. And we got
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a lot of good questions coming in from our audience
for Mace, a couple other things I know, always stuck
in his craw We'll continue with him. Don't forget Kessler
in studio five point fifteen. We're out at six o'clock
this evening, so we'll get to Kessler Kessler a little
earlier than you. Nicemie. Pure progress, Oh, Donaldson's brilliant on that.
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It's pure progression.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Mace.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Do you know why we might have named the first
Nonomi of the year pure progression. Have you been paying
attention to the chatter regarding JJ McCarthy in the Minnesota
Vikings passing philosophy the last couple of days.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, I really have it.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's been an It literally been two days of pure
progression talk. You know, the the for years. I mean,
you know you know this better than I. You know,
there's quarterbacks who go by the progression, you know, in
terms of the decisions that they make. Well, this is
apparently pure progression, which is a very apparently a very
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specialized kind of the progression approach. Pure progression is what
we do, pure pure. What's the difference? I don't know.
I'm still trying to figure that out. Kevin Seaffert might
be able to tell us. He's been They're all fascinated
by this thing. It was a big part of the
conversation today or no, it's it's the term the Vikings
are using.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Wow, pure progression.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And by the way, for the record, who's the old
Saint Louis Rams quarterback who came out of nowhere and
was great. Kurt Warner. He he doesn't even think it's
it's it's it's all that's cracked up to be. He
thinks there are some holes in the logic of the
pure progressive, pure progression approach. Uh, but we'll get to
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the bottom of it perhaps later in this Uh, in
this program, you've been out of it too long. That's
why you're not toy with the term pure progression, not
just pression.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I told you this before, but I had this quarterback
when I was at Kansas and uh that I got
out of junior college. And he was a really talented thrower.
And my quarterback coach always say, he doesn't know the offense.
He doesn't know the offense. He can't we can't play
we got to the offense, so we we didn't play him.
The first year was there, and the second year is there.
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We're in today's quarterback coach says, she's I just don't
I just don't know he doesn't know the the progression,
the pure progression, super pre I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
He didn't know any of it. So we're in the
scrimmage and all of a.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Sudden he throws a touchdown pass to a guy that's
not part of the route, and my quarterback coaches are
going to go crazy, and I say, say, come here, Mark,
real calmly. I said, why do you throw to him?
He said, he's wide open, and I thought.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I love it. That's the right answers. Throw it to
the wide open and the exactly b eight quarterback. That
year we're number nine in the country.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, and that's what Here's So here's the Kurt Warner rebuttal.
Here's what he wrote about this. It tries to combat
disguising coverages. But just because you can build a play,
your quarterback can read across the field, so I mean
it's more effective, And I argue the opposite. The goal
is to build plays to attack areas, and quarterbacks need
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to read those areas, not know exactly what coverage as
a team is in you give keys and read bodies,
that d still has to cover all the same zones
with the same number of people. We often over complicate
over complicate things. So there you have it. He doesn't.
He thinks it's more it's he thinks that the it
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it doesn't necessarily work to the to the betterment of
all quarterbacks. I don't know. You're the expert not me.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
No, I'm not the expert of that. I'd like to
hear what Tom Brady. That's a good point, I would say,
because that's true in all respect to Kurt Warner.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I mean I always saw when I watched Tom Brady
a lot of time, he knew what the defense was
going to do coverage wise before they did, you know
what I mean, whatever, whatever, it was amazing going on. Yes,
you know the thought process. They say the game so quick, Well,
he's spinning up because he.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Knew what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
All right. Wes Phillips is the offensive coordinator of the Vikings.
Here's his quote. Maybe this will help explain it for you.
A lot of teams have gone to more pure progression.
We still have some coverage read type plays where maybe
it's single high and you're working this side too high,
or pressure and you're maybe working this side. But even
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in my time in the league in the beginning, it's
hard to read because I got to keep moving it around.
That was kind of everything. It was coverage reading. Here's
where I'm going. This is the alert versus a second versus.
This is too high, so I'm going here. He's laying
I get out. I guess different defenses that might be
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in front of him. I guess reading this. I still
don't completely understand what pure progression means. The Seafferts put
it this way. I wonder how many people are beat
writers realize that a lot of NFL copres are making
decisions not based on reading coverages, but instead progressing through
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a predetermined order of eligible receivers. So apparently that's the
purity part. If it's pure progression, it's simply literally going
through a predetermined order of eligible receivers as opposed to
from the beginning of the play reading the coverage. You
see the distinction. There is a distinction today.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But it's.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Throw to him three and you better tuck the ball
and run. That's it. It strikes me again a little
bit as we we're losing our minds, uh on the
and we had he Look the kid played better. They
had a better game. That Washington is a terrible defense,
but not their fault. They played a more I thought
he played the position in a more adult way. They
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kept it simpler, out of your hands quick, you know,
don't It doesn't have to be a twenty seven yard
rip pass. It can be seven yards to the tight end.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
All that's good. But it's amazing to me that one
victory and now we're talking about this pure progression stuff
like it's reinventing it with you.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I like the story of Brent Faarr. I'm sure you've
heard it where and he talks about it. He was
in the league about three years and uh, he asked
another quarterback that they that they drafted out of college.
He says, I got to ask you something. He says,
what's all this nickel stuff. I don't understand this nickel stuff.
And the guy says, well, basically, all he did do
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is they take a linebacker and they put an extra
defensive back.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And he goes, that's it. That's all they do. They
all talk about this nickel what's the difference? Yea, And
to a certain part of that, I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
This is an email from Jonathan out of Bloomington. JJ
McCarthy knew the plays before the defense did because Michigan
stole the signs Ooha, there it is, Yeah, it's still there.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
It sounds like my friend Gary Hopman, he talks about
that all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He does bring that up from time to time. Yeah,
Brady and his receivers would have multiple route options on
the same play call. During the play the route changes
based on what the defense does, and they both knew
what the change would be. You talked about this earlier.
Let's face it, Brady did. It was a master's It
was a doctorate class right in terms of his approach
mentally to what was going on, because he didn't have
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the greatest arm. He had a good enough arm. But
it was what you say said he it's it's surveying
and reading and just what the highest percentage of getting
the ball to the right place at the right time, right,
whether it's a ten yard pass or a twenty two
yard pass.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, there was a lot of factors there.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I mean, it was a if you asked me when
when he was there, they they fit their players because
he even look at some of the receivers. They they
had a lot of guys that they got a lot
of mileage out of that were possession receivers. Uh and
for the most part, Brady was really well protected when
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he was too. I remember one year Dante skyr Nikki
was the offensive line coach and retired and they ran
into some problems and Bill Belichick talked him out of
retirement and brought him back, you know, to fix the protection,
because without protection, you have nothing.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
That's true. It changes everything. There's no doubt about that.
Somebody had texted earlier. We're in the ball season. Now
we'll get to whether you think got screwed.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Let me tell you, okay for that, Yeah, ball season's
done as.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We know it. It has done.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
When you think there are ten teams that have turned
down a chance to go to a bowl, you had
three teams that had at least six picked street, Notre Dame, Yes,
Iowa State and Kansas State, and they said, do you
want to go? You know?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now, obviously Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Lost their coach that might have something doing in Kansas
State coach retired.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Correct, Notre Dame, they just yeah, you know, I'll ben
take my ball and go home. Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
But the next level teams that would have fit in there,
they still didn't have six wins, but they had five
wins Florida State, Auburn, Rutgers, Temple, UCF, and Baylor.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They don't want to go to a ball game. It's
it's been anything or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And then even if you go to a ball game,
a lot of times the good players are are opting out.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So are you offended by that? Do you think the
players should be obligated to play? Do you do you
defend their right to do what?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
This year?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Like you said, a bunch of teams are How do
you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Well, I think that what's happened with the balls, there's
been so many balls.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Everybody goes forty two, everybody.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Goes to a ball you know, it's it's it's just
like another game, that's all it is. Where it used
to be. I married when I was at Kansas. You know,
you could be seven wins. They might not go to
a ball correct.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You get invited, you got involved in a chance, you
would get on the phone and talk to the ball people.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You buy so many tickets all stuff, and it was
it was a big deal. But it's no big deal anymore.
Though it's not, especially if you're a team that's used
to going to one of the four major ballgame or
the college football playoff, and now that it's twelvey, if
you don't get in, you say, well, kids don't want
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to go.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yep, that's where we're at. So I think I think
you're gonna see.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You know, the only reason they're still surviving, if you
ask me, is that you know, TV people they need
the balls because they need product on TV.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
They definitely do. That's one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And if you don't have that, what are you gonna
what are you gonna put out?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
It?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
All right, I want it, We're gonna get let's get
caught up on brakes, and I want to get to
your view on who got screwed and who didn't, who
has a right to be angry and who doesn't regarding
the uh the postseason tournament field, Mace in your face,
keep the text coming as well. Pure progression. A quarterback
reads a predetermined, fixed order of receivers on a play,
regardless of the defense. So that's it, literally, I guess
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that's the pure part. You literally don't, Matt, don't trust
your eyes. You go here, you go here, and you
go here. That's pure, I guess, which seems counterintuitive to me.
If you've got a quarterback who knows what he's doing.
But we'll get into that in more detail and get
into some other things, other things with mace in your
face and just.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Mace.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
John the mail carrier has checked in regarding the Bowl discussion.
Not sure why so many people care. For some it's
a nice holiday trip. Plus what about stadium workers, concession people,
local restaurants, many others? Too long the list. Who cares?
You don't have to watch or pay any attention. Just
let it happen. Some of these workers could use the
extra money for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Your thoughts, What do you make of that he said
the ball should go on.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And if yeah, he's saying for reasons like that, it's
a nice trip, it's it's you got a lot of
people who you know, get extra paychecks who work in
that in that stadium.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
At my point being, I think you're can get to
a point where the TV people aren't.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Going to pay the money.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's probably or the sponsors of the ballgames. Yeah, that's
my point. I've always thought the Bowl games were great rewards.
I don't know why guys are opting out. I know
that the you know, Pj's always had success some ball
games we had pretty good success in ball games.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We made it fun for the players and it was
they were great trips.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I just think that when.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Your top players are opting out and you get bad publicity,
that certain teams that were slotted to go to your
ball say we don't want to go.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
None of that hill.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That's not very good.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well, it's broken down dramatically from its from its Haiti,
there's no question about that. That's undeniable. That's not you
necessarily saying you you you, you know, are against the concept. Oh,
I'm surveying the reality of where it is now.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I think it's sad.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think that the Bulls were a great part of
college football tradition and I think it's been tainted and
I think that's very unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Did Notre Dame get.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Screwedde No, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
It's you know, they're not in a conference, and that's
that's a sore spot with everybody because they could name
the conference that they want to go to.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Let's face it.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I know that ten tried forever and ever and ever,
but in fact, probably their their TV deal would have
been more financially benefit if they were to joined the
Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
In state and independent, but they want to call, you know,
their own shots.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
So you know, you I heard some of the people
on TV say, you know, a team shouldn't be penalized
for playing in a conference game, you know, a conference
championship game, and I guess what they're talking about. I
assume was Alabama getting just thumped twy Georgia.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know, so you know that would do that.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Well, then you go down and say, well, if you're
not going to penalize there, well, if that's consistent, then
you know why it is the highest state going one
and lose to Indiana and then they three or go
to three. But if you think that's true, then you
go to Miami and you compare.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Miami and Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Miami didn't play in the ACC championship game, you know,
Duke and Virginia did in Duke upset Virginia. So if
you if you look at that, then you say, well,
how come Miami, Well they beat him head to head.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You know, one of the things that you talk about
the college football Playoff is supposed to be the best teams.
And I've heard Nick Saban say this. We once or
maybe maybe it was Lane Kiffin, one of the two
you know, birds of the same feather right there. You know,
is that let the Las Vegas the side of the
best teams.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well you look at Alabama and play in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well there's Alabama's a one point five favorite, even though
they got dumped by Georgia. They say, oh, it's okay.
Miami and Texas A and m And you know Texas
A and M lost that last game. Otherwise, heck, they
might have been number one. They're three point five favorites
over Miami, so Miami must be pretty good. But then
you get to Tulane and Ole Miss, and ole Miss
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is a seventeen and a half point favorite. Seventeen and
a half someone might say, well wait a minute. And
then you got Oregon, who they're pretty good right against
James Madison twenty one and a half point favorite. So
I understand that because they have everybody, yes, I want
into this thing. You needed all the conferences and the
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other guys that were on the outside like JMU to.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Buy in to make it comprehensive. The only I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Tell you it's gonna go to twenty four teams real quick.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yes, there's no question. My issue with Bama is I
get it that you don't if you decide, well, I
don't want to penalize them too much for playing in
an extra game, But if you lose by twenty one
points and you don't even lose any standing, that doesn't
make sense to me, you know what I'm saying. I
think they should slide. There should be some penal It
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was their third loss too, I mean the three losses.
So I again, is it outlandish to think that they
shouldn't that they're they missed the field. I don't want
to go that are, but to me, they should have
moved some at the very least. And it felt like.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Now they're playing the teams that we're already playing.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's exactly it. That's right in fact, and I think
Indiana plays the winner of that game. I'm not mistaken,
which I think is pretty Uh, those are two pretty
good opponents. So you're I think you're right. The answer
is they're just going to keep adding teams. It's inevitable
that they're going to do that, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think so, and I for a couple of reasons.
One because the controversy over this, and I don't know
how you keep adding teams. I think you're gonna have
to do away with the conference championship.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You know that may they're people who have theorized that
You're right, that's what ends up. Yes, which makes But
is there too much money.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
To live for a Confence champion to give rid to
the conference championship?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
That makes some sense? Do you just you know, you know,
TV rules everything. Do they lose too much money if
the conference title games go away?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, no, because you're adding more.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Games, that's true.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, actually adding more games. That might be the answer,
which is goes to the next thing. What's that?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I know if you saw that Utah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Think they've done.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
It was rumored that they entered into a third party
agreement with a private equity, you know, getting money for
them to take piece of the action. I think that's
a real slippery slope. And the reason I say that
very seldom. It never does somebody put a large amount
of money in that don't want to say so what's
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going on? Because they want to return on their investment.
And when I'm talking about how many times on this
show do we talk about TV.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
TV controls everything. I mean, they control.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Starting signs, they got to say in everything. They're putting
a lot of money out there. They got an investment.
They want to return on their money. Look at the
apparel people to shoot people. Why do you think we
have teams they don't wear the same uniform two weeks
in a row.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You think it's because they want no the TV.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
You say, we'll give you the money, but we want
you to wear these alternative uniforms. And we've got away
from There was a day and age when I first
probably when I was a player, when I first got
involved in in coaching, where most places they did pretty good.
The expenses were held down and they still tried to fundraise,
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but they operated with the idea we want your money,
but we don't want your two cents. But now you're
getting enough money, you're going to get their trade sents
and more.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Whether you want it or not. You can't avoid it
because the money's too great. That's your point. Any interest
in a football a college football n IT championship, Pick
eight teams for the playoffs. Let the network with broadcasting
rights pick the teams to play. You know it's a consolations.
You know, I grew up in Jersey.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I used to go over to the old Madison Square,
watch mart Garden and watch the NI and.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
It was prestigious. Now, oh it was big time.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It was big time.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
And I remember one time I went there and clearly
U Army coached by Bob Knight. Knight, they were they
were gonna play Saint John's, Okay, And you know what's
sitting on the bench no as a recruit watching the game,
Louel Cinder.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Is that right before.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He was before he became Kareem and went to us.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
This is correct, uh, but uh, I in the back
of my mind that Bob Knight wanted to go to
the n I t rather the NCAA Tournament because then
the whole core could come down and watch it.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I wouldn't be true, but it was very big, no question.
My one regret on the Big ten or conference tournament
or championship games going away is then you deprived. I mean,
Ohio State is no big deal, I guess because they
got figger fish to fry ultimately, but for a team
like Indiana to then be deprived of that night they had,
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that would be kind of I think that'd be unfortunate.
On the on the rare occasion when you have a team,
a program that's not used to doing it because it
was a cool night for that for that program.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, you know, exactly right. And you know if you
were real traditionalists.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Before the college football playoff, who should be going to
the Rose Bowl? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
And everybody and that state would be empty?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Uh. And I think except for the older fans, that's.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Really been diminished.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
But as you well know, people dreamed about going to
the Rose Bowl. You know, the University of Minnesota never
had a bigger supporter than Dick Ames. I mean, I'm
telling you never. He he was the greatest. And I'd like
to have a dollar for every time he'd say to me, Land,
you got to get me to the Rose Bowl. I mean,
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that's that was his dream in life. And I tell you,
if we were ever been successful in doing that, I
always said, somehow I was gonna get Dick and his
horse team into the Rose Ball parade because he deserved it.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Lastly, we should we mentioned it when it broke actually
during Louis that Michigan's coach is that Sharon Moore is
that he.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Pronounced He's a Kansas guy.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
He has been dismissed the and Michigan is saying it
has to do well, who knows what if his record
had much to do with it. They're saying he engaged
in an inappropriate relationship with a with a staffer, I believe.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Which brings out one of my favorite sayings, which I
can't say on the RADIALI anybody that knows me, he's
listening and they're.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Laughing, they'll know. They'll know exactly what it is. Does
that surprise you at all? I mean you and how much?
Because you know how this works. That may be the
reason they're giving. But they're also his I think his
record was seventeen and eight. Is that good enough? I mean,
if he if this doesn't happen, do you think he's
likely safe for a long time or not? I mean,
what what do you think?
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I don't know all the circumstances, but they must have
him dead to rights if they not only announced that
they fired him and with cause, and so.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
They that's true.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
I don't know, you know the thing about they went
through that if it was going to be public, you know,
they they still have the the tarnished look because of
the UH sign stealing deal, you know, and uh you know,
really the state of Michigan's had their problems with bad
publicity in athletic program, so I don't you know, I'm
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sure that enough's enough. You know, we the coach answers
to the a D. The answers to the president. The
president answers to the trustees, so you never know who
makes the call. By the way, it is worth mentioning
the goal. It turns out Indiana will play in the
Rose Bowl, and no it's not the usual Rose Bull
but that will be the side of their first the
second run game, which is great.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
That's good that they at least get they will get
that trip with a little extra time.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'm assuming, so yeah, I guess they'd assume they did.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We'll let you go. Thanks for being the hearty soul.
You are not retreating to Florida like our previous guest
guest Louis does. You're still here, hale and hardy for
at least a few more weeks. Maybe, yeah, you never
never know. Yeah, we'll see you next week. Thank you,
Thank you, Mace in your face. We'll come back with
the top five and five which will include what well
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make Kevin Fauns happy. Check it on the Wolves and
a controversial coach firing
It's time for another edition of May in Your Faith Now,
along with College Football Immortality Glenn Mason.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here's Dan morero.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Jax's Cafe, one of our fine sponsors. We get great
support over the years from carry Limo as well. You
can speak to what we got into at the start
of the show that has nothing to do with football.
We've had a pretty significant snow the last couple of days.
You got here, what year ninety nine? Oh no, you
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don't remember what I got No, I don't remember the year.
I'm sorry. I got here in December ninety six, ninety six,
that's right, Okay, December ninety six. So that means you've
been here almost well that's thirty years, more than thirty years,
so you've been here long enough that you can be
a judge of this. Do you believe on the basis
of your experience inces driving, walking, running, that we do
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as a community as good a job now handling the roads,
you know, plowing all that kind of good stuff, salting
as we did when you first got here. Is there
any is there any discernible difference to you? Are we
getting sloppy? Are we are we resting on you know?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And I'm not trying to dodge it. But I used
to drive on the road a lot more than I drive.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I mean, I was all the time. You know. It
wasn't one of those things all it's going to be bad.
I can't go.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And uh I used to say it was amazing the
job that Minnesota did with their roads because I had
to go all the time, and there wasn't really any
time that I can remember that I say, you know,
I can't make it. I gotta I gotta stop where recently?
Uh I remember last year I had a Mayo clinic appointment.
(02:00):
I got up in the morning and I said, I
got to go. And I got on four ninety four.
I want one exit, and I turned around and went
back because that right, I couldn't see the road. I
couldn't see anything. Wow, couldn't keep going. So if you
forced me, I'd say it was better then than it
is now.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Interesting and thought, yeah that I I think there's been
some slippers And some people said, well, my that els
might have to do with money. Is there is there
a do we spend as much? Because this stuff's not cheap? Right,
You got to get plow drivers, You've got to get
you got to Sault. All this stuff adds up.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So oh, our taxes have gone down? No, I guess
they haven't.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, I don't think they have. That's why I'm still
surprised you're here. Why, Well, because I mean, I don't
think you like the high taxes.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't like the high time.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You know what Louis you know I got a dodge.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, I know that, mister Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that. Though. Let's
race it, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's uh, they talked a good game in Minnesota, myth,
the tradition and.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All, and then off they go, we go.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, there's there's probably some truth to what you what
you say there. As I said, if you have questions
for May six four, six eighty six is the Bradshaw
and Bryant k f A n text line. We will
name the late our first ASNAMI of this winter season,
perhaps heading into the second segment with Mace as well.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Can we go in for can I mentioned some before
for of course please, I just hate to interrupt you,
but I brought up a number of times. But Greg
Gaslinger was inducted into the National Football Fandashian Hall of
Fame in Las.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Vegas, and I I think it was.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You know, you talk about a guy that was a
two time All American won the Outland Trophy and and
you know how hard it is to win the Outland
Trophy at the University of Minnesota and the Remington Award
for the best Center, I mean truly great. And I
saw on social media all the pictures with all the
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dignitaries of Minnesota taking pictures with him out there, and
I got to say, again, I know guards he gets tired.
Why is his name not up in the stadium Altland
Trophy winner?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He wait a minute. And I also saw.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The dignitaries that were out there. I'm sure they took
the private jet out there. But Matt Spaith, who won
the Mackie Award, you know how hard it is to
win the Mackie Award. And I even have a bigger
beef there. Matt Spaith is not in the m Club
Hall of Fame? Are you kidding me? And besides that,
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Eslinger and Matt Spaith, besides being great players, you can't
find two better human beings in the world. Great students,
great citizens, unbelievable representatives of the university, and why they're
not getting that recognition is beyond me. And there's some
other guys.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I know.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We're out there to Mark Senistrim, who was a great
lineman in his own right, only overshadowed by Eslinger and
and Kevin Solomon, one of my favorite guys.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
He journeyed out there too. But Esleyer and Spaith are
not getting their fair due.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm telling you, I have my theory. This is a
new theory I've been working on to explain what seems
to be the inexplicable. I think they're trolling you. I think,
for some reason, there's somebody still at the you. Maybe
it's the person who's got the TV. I don't know,
there's somebody at the you that knows this is a
big issue with you. It's been a massive issue with
(05:36):
you on this show for years. And so they're just
they're they're almost purposeful. I'm not defending it, the almost
purposely saying no, the more he talks about it, the
less likely we're going to do it. What other explanation
makes sense?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Are you telling me I should keep my mouth shut?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Is that I would never want to say that, because
that does not make for as good a radio if
if we do a show in which you keep your
mouth shut then when going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I'm just.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Wondering if there's somebody or because you've been gone so long,
they don't even recognize that era anymore. That that you
tell me what the X met guards. He's the guy
who should know.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I have absolutely no expert. It's it doesn't it's no
skin off of mine. It doesn't reflect me. It's it's
it's not even self serving. It would be self serving
for them to put up there and advertise that there's
been some great players in the modern day era, not
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in ancient football, and those guys are as good as
they come.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mentioned to the this tou off air inyanda football
getting I've actually heard a rumor about this from my
guy Rick Bos that you still lives in the area,
that he'd hurt, a rumor that a player, a key player,
had gotten hurt postgame celebration. And my first thought was,
who did one is one of these guys that something stupid?
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Well in this, by the way, the player's name is
Stephen Daily and he's one of their best defensive players.
And in this case, he wasn't being stupid. I don't
think he was actually I think trying to be kind
to people beyond the end zone in the seats that
were up high. Who's your fan, so he's reaching up
just to high five them. Comes down badly. We don't
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know exactly what the injury is. They're not saying it
was obviously must be a foot or a knee or
an ankle or something. He has been declared by Signetti
out not only for the first round Indiana game, I
guess that's the second round because they have a bye,
but the rest of the postseason, which is devast and
by the way, he wasn't even a starter at the
start of the season. He was their depth and ended
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up being one of their best defensive players. That's got
to be fairly devastating to any team in their SOFY.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Sure, obviously it's devastating to that young man, but you
you know, you think as as coach Signetti, you know,
you go through winter conditioning, you go through Spring Prime,
you go through summer conditioning, you go through two today practice,
you going through the season, and you're trying to do
everything to prepare your team but minimize injuries, and you
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get all the way to the championship game. You win
the Big Ten championship, You're in the college football playoff.
You've succeeded with this guy, and he goes and celebrates
just a freak injury. You know, the only time I
else I remember something like that. I remember O High
A State was playing. It might have been the rose Ball,
I'm not sure. And Ted Godd Junior scored on a
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touchdown I don't know, I was a I don't know
if it was a pass or yeah, and he jumped
up in the end zone to high fives.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Teammate celebrated and came down and twisted his knee.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Done for the games, Crazy Gus farot head buttted the
wall and then he heard the ones that are dumber, Yeah,
where I think are more rippable these, I mean, if
you're not like doing a fancy dance or anything.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Who was the kicker? Was it Grammatica? The kicker who
got his knee that way? For the record, Daily led
the Big Ten this season with nineteen tackles for loss
and had five and a half sacks. He was a
really good, a very good defensive player. Now, did you
have any rules for your players when it came to celebration,
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like where to say don't do anything stupid. Is that
something that ever came up in your mind where you
felt like you had to literally had to be careful.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Because because in my day, there was there was hard
fast rules on excessive celebration. You know, so if if
you scored and even pointed at the end zone, you
got a flag, so you could about group up with
your own teammates for a second and then run away.
But you couldn't do one of these dances in the
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end zone. You couldn't spike the ball. You couldn't spin
the ball, and they were hard and fast on that,
And I don't know why they changed your mind.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But now it's not near as lenient as pro football,
but it's it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It still is, here's no question about that. We were
talking during the break before you started about the Big
Ten title game, which I thoroughly enjoyed just as a
game kind of a more of a defensive game than
we're accustomed to in a lot of college football. I
know you watched it start to finish, you called it
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on this show. You predicted an Indiana victory. So what
did you take what were your what were the main
MACE takeaways from the Big Ten title game.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I'd have to say that my takeaway was that Indiana
is better than I thought they were. I thought for
them to beat Ohio State that High State would have
to make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Now I missed it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I know they missed the short field goal, but I
thought there'd be turnovers and things like that. But what
amazed me when I you know, statistics can be very misleading,
but you look at Indiana versar O High State, and
High State's got all those five star players and four
star players, and they've got wide receivers that could start
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in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Right now, Indiana had more yards than they did.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And with that, when you talk about how good a
High State's defense would be, all the you know, Gus
Johnson and Joel Klatt, all the best defense in the country,
got Matt Patricia from Pro Football as the defensive coordinator.
They won't be able to move on. They've had more
rushing yards. They had one hundred and ten rushing yards
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to fifty eight against Ohio State. So I think it
was a classic example that and you've heard me say
it at nauseam. The thing I love about football is
the greatest team game. If you take a group of
guys with less talent, and they play better together as
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a team. They can beat a team with more talent.
And I think even though Indiana one are you an't
going to find many people say Indiana.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Had more talent.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
High State had more talent, but Indiana won the football game.
They had a I don't know if it's a better plan,
but they played better together as a team offense, defense,
kicking game.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
One of the guards of you know names better than I.
One of the athletic chief college football writers, I don't
recall who it was, wrote this. While all those teams
are great stories, laying out the great stories from this year,
as is ten and two Vanderbilt, Indiana's overnight ascendance to
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the top of the sport under second year coach Kurt
Signetti laps anything I've seen over the last thirty years
watching and covering college football. He mentions Northwestern ninety five
Rose Bowl out of nowhere, but the Wildcats didn't beat
the number one team in the country. Bill Snyder pulled
similar miracles of Kansas State, but that was a more
gradual build, and he reminds us Indiana went from two
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to ten, four and eight and three and nine in
Tom Allen's last three seasons to twenty three, and two
in Signette's first two years of Stuart Mandel. Mendel, thank you,
Stuart Mandell.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Perfect.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I've never seen anything like it. And I you know,
I've been around a long time watching college football, and
you know, and I've always said that there's a lot,
way too much recognition for some coaches that do great
things at great schools where everybody has won, and then
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you see some guys that are overshadowed that win or
be successful at schools that have really struggled. No one
struggled more than Indiana. And what they did last year
was amazing. What they did this year was spectacular because
they weren't going to sneak up on anybody this year.
I just and I said, you know, going in, I
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don't care if you backed up two brinks trucks full
with cash and said do whatever you wanted to do.
They couldn't have got this done. And I don't think
that they just did it with a bunch of good
football players.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They didn't have a.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Four star or five star on the roster, you know,
in this recruiting stuff all the time, I laugh at
these ratings. I don't follow recruiting all because it's meaningless.
But you think about the young man that I think
that should win the Heisman Trophy. I don't get a vote,
but if I had a vote, i'd vote for him.
His Mendoza. Okay, now think about it. He played football
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in Florida, Okay, all the SEC teams, all the Big
ten teams, everybody else recruits there.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
He doesn't go there. He goes all the way to Cal. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Now I have a hard time thinking that Cal beat
all those guys in recruiting. Okay, and then he's out
there and he plays, and then he goes into the
nil where he's up for grams for everybody, and he
goes to Indiana and he's the best quarterback in the country.
It's just kind of crazy. So it's it just goes
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show you don't get to enamored with these recruiting things
and four stars and five stars, just like there's a
lot of good football players on in the end of
that are three stars, two stars.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
No, Well, that's part of the reason, you know, because
this the recruiting season, the ratings are in, and compared
to past years, I think PJ is is higher, much
higher than usual. I've tended to not spend a lot
of time on it. Isn't because it can't be a
good recruiting class. It might be, but there's so much
you've taught me this, there's so much unknown that goes
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into it that it's hard. I think. I think the
more time you spend on it, the worst impression you give.
Because the truth is, you can evaluate all you want,
and sometimes these players end up being as good as advertisement.
A lot of times they're not, and you can get
kind of in false impression, good and bad really on
the basis of where you fall regarding these national rankings.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, you know, I was just talking about Greg Eislinger.
It comes from Bismarck, North Dakota, and he came to
our camp during the summer of twenties junior and senior year,
and I decided to offer him a scholarship. You know why,
because he was a tryhard, He was a hustle guy
in front of the line. I don't know if he
had any stars. I don't if anybody else was even
recruiting him, to be quite frankly, I don't remember. And
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I thought we could make a fullback out of him
or a special teams guy. And because he went very big,
and so we offered a scholarship and he took it.
And then by the time he showed up as a freshman,
he had grown significantly and we started out and all
of a sudden, I thought, this kid that we didn't
know anything about, he's our best center and started as
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a true freshman and played well. Now, no way could
anybody predicted that. When the recruiting rankings were coming out.
I've told you one of the things exercises I used
to do with my coaches signing date. Day after signing date,
I'd have them lists. Let's say you signed twenty five
guys one to twenty five, rank them yep, one being
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the best, and and I'd keep the list. They wouldn't
even go over or talk about it. And then when
they the freshman show up in three days of practice
before the other guys got there, I'd have my guys
rank them again independently, okay, and they probably couldn't remember
who they ranked or didn't rank, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But and then when the.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Upperclassmen came there after the first scrimmage, we'd rank them again.
You know how much correlation there was between one and
twenty five, and most importantly, typically at the end of
the day, some guy that was in the bottom five
became our best player, and some guy that might have
been in our top five was a bust.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
How do you figure.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Strategy?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Question?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
There were some media jackals who savaged Ryan Day for
not going forward on the fourth and one previous to
the missed chip shot field goal previous or after. Well,
that's a good question. Yeah, there may have been something
going on then. I don't know. They'll have to speak
for themselves. If Glenn Mason is in that exact same
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position that Ryan Day in Ohio State. I care in
you kick it, what's you're and what you're thinking?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well, I've got a better team, I've got a more
talented team. And you go to overtime, you think you
got the advantage. I already went for on fourth and one,
and they gave it to us, and the reviewed they.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Took it away.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I got that, and uh so you know that starts
playing into your mind and then you start thinking as
a coach down there, heck, I I would have kicked
on that fourth and one that I didn't get, and
I would have kicked on this one and I should
have got We went by three points in the game over.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
That's true. Now my problem wasn't I actually defended the
decision to kick the field goal. I think it's defensible
for sure, regardless of fact that Ohio State, you're okay,
we just we need one yard where Ohio State, let's
just get it. Didn't get it last time, exactly right,
And you gotta you know, your obligation is to that
that's the three points that you need, uh to.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't have thrown the ball. That's my issue.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
To me, if you don't intend to go for it
on fourth down, then I'm running it on third. I
can accept, you know, going passing on third if I'm
going to hold onto the ball and try for it
on fourth and then run. But to me, you got
to run on one of those two and and to me,
if you're not going to do fourth, then go ahead
and run the ball on third down. Don't try to
get so.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Sneaky in either situation. I'm running the ball.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now, you're probably running twice, so.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm gonna run twice.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I really wouldn't, you know, I I know
that the there's a there's a lot of teams in
pro football for whatever reason. You know, you see him
first and goal at the one, and they throw the ball,
you know, and why I'm not I'm not really sure,
you know, because there's a lot more things can go
wrong throwing the ball than running the ball. Now, I
know that it's hard to run and run the ball
in the NFL. Those big guys and they stack them
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all in there. Uh but you know, sometimes you want
to tell you guys got especially if you get two tries,
two tuys and we can't in the yard, we don't
deserve to win.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Well, the on the third down player is a really
nice defense. I don't remember who the in player was,
but made a really nice play in the second a
secondary play, just tipping the knocking the ball away because
it didn't look like a bad play. It was a
good play, it was, but it was very well defended.
Yeah for sure. All right, let's make this the bottom
of the hour break. We'll come back. We will name
officially the first Nonomie of the season. And we got
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a lot of good questions coming in from our audience
for Mace, a couple other things I know, always stuck
in his craw We'll continue with him. Don't forget Kessler
in studio five point fifteen. We're out at six o'clock
this evening, so we'll get to Kessler Kessler a little
earlier than you. Nicemie. Pure progress, Oh, Donaldson's brilliant on that.
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It's pure progression.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Mace.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Do you know why we might have named the first
Nonomi of the year pure progression. Have you been paying
attention to the chatter regarding JJ McCarthy in the Minnesota
Vikings passing philosophy the last couple of days.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, I really have it.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's been an It literally been two days of pure
progression talk. You know, the the for years. I mean,
you know you know this better than I. You know,
there's quarterbacks who go by the progression, you know, in
terms of the decisions that they make. Well, this is
apparently pure progression, which is a very apparently a very
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specialized kind of the progression approach. Pure progression is what
we do, pure pure. What's the difference? I don't know.
I'm still trying to figure that out. Kevin Seaffert might
be able to tell us. He's been They're all fascinated
by this thing. It was a big part of the
conversation today or no, it's it's the term the Vikings
are using.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Wow, pure progression.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And by the way, for the record, who's the old
Saint Louis Rams quarterback who came out of nowhere and
was great. Kurt Warner. He he doesn't even think it's
it's it's it's all that's cracked up to be. He
thinks there are some holes in the logic of the
pure progressive, pure progression approach. Uh, but we'll get to
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the bottom of it perhaps later in this Uh, in
this program, you've been out of it too long. That's
why you're not toy with the term pure progression, not
just pression.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I told you this before, but I had this quarterback
when I was at Kansas and uh that I got
out of junior college. And he was a really talented thrower.
And my quarterback coach always say, he doesn't know the offense.
He doesn't know the offense. He can't we can't play
we got to the offense, so we we didn't play him.
The first year was there, and the second year is there.
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We're in today's quarterback coach says, she's I just don't
I just don't know he doesn't know the the progression,
the pure progression, super pre I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
He didn't know any of it. So we're in the
scrimmage and all of a.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Sudden he throws a touchdown pass to a guy that's
not part of the route, and my quarterback coaches are
going to go crazy, and I say, say, come here, Mark,
real calmly. I said, why do you throw to him?
He said, he's wide open, and I thought.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I love it. That's the right answers. Throw it to
the wide open and the exactly b eight quarterback. That
year we're number nine in the country.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, and that's what Here's So here's the Kurt Warner rebuttal.
Here's what he wrote about this. It tries to combat
disguising coverages. But just because you can build a play,
your quarterback can read across the field, so I mean
it's more effective, And I argue the opposite. The goal
is to build plays to attack areas, and quarterbacks need
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to read those areas, not know exactly what coverage as
a team is in you give keys and read bodies,
that d still has to cover all the same zones
with the same number of people. We often over complicate
over complicate things. So there you have it. He doesn't.
He thinks it's more it's he thinks that the it
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it doesn't necessarily work to the to the betterment of
all quarterbacks. I don't know. You're the expert not me.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
No, I'm not the expert of that. I'd like to
hear what Tom Brady. That's a good point, I would say,
because that's true in all respect to Kurt Warner.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I mean I always saw when I watched Tom Brady
a lot of time, he knew what the defense was
going to do coverage wise before they did, you know
what I mean, whatever, whatever, it was amazing going on. Yes,
you know the thought process. They say the game so quick, Well,
he's spinning up because he.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Knew what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
All right. Wes Phillips is the offensive coordinator of the Vikings.
Here's his quote. Maybe this will help explain it for you.
A lot of teams have gone to more pure progression.
We still have some coverage read type plays where maybe
it's single high and you're working this side too high,
or pressure and you're maybe working this side. But even
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in my time in the league in the beginning, it's
hard to read because I got to keep moving it around.
That was kind of everything. It was coverage reading. Here's
where I'm going. This is the alert versus a second versus.
This is too high, so I'm going here. He's laying
I get out. I guess different defenses that might be
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in front of him. I guess reading this. I still
don't completely understand what pure progression means. The Seafferts put
it this way. I wonder how many people are beat
writers realize that a lot of NFL copres are making
decisions not based on reading coverages, but instead progressing through
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a predetermined order of eligible receivers. So apparently that's the
purity part. If it's pure progression, it's simply literally going
through a predetermined order of eligible receivers as opposed to
from the beginning of the play reading the coverage. You
see the distinction. There is a distinction today.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But it's.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Throw to him three and you better tuck the ball
and run. That's it. It strikes me again a little
bit as we we're losing our minds, uh on the
and we had he Look the kid played better. They
had a better game. That Washington is a terrible defense,
but not their fault. They played a more I thought
he played the position in a more adult way. They
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kept it simpler, out of your hands quick, you know,
don't It doesn't have to be a twenty seven yard
rip pass. It can be seven yards to the tight end.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
All that's good. But it's amazing to me that one
victory and now we're talking about this pure progression stuff
like it's reinventing it with you.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I like the story of Brent Faarr. I'm sure you've
heard it where and he talks about it. He was
in the league about three years and uh, he asked
another quarterback that they that they drafted out of college.
He says, I got to ask you something. He says,
what's all this nickel stuff. I don't understand this nickel stuff.
And the guy says, well, basically, all he did do
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is they take a linebacker and they put an extra
defensive back.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And he goes, that's it. That's all they do. They
all talk about this nickel what's the difference? Yea, And
to a certain part of that, I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
This is an email from Jonathan out of Bloomington. JJ
McCarthy knew the plays before the defense did because Michigan
stole the signs Ooha, there it is, Yeah, it's still there.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
It sounds like my friend Gary Hopman, he talks about
that all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He does bring that up from time to time. Yeah,
Brady and his receivers would have multiple route options on
the same play call. During the play the route changes
based on what the defense does, and they both knew
what the change would be. You talked about this earlier.
Let's face it, Brady did. It was a master's It
was a doctorate class right in terms of his approach
mentally to what was going on, because he didn't have
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the greatest arm. He had a good enough arm. But
it was what you say said he it's it's surveying
and reading and just what the highest percentage of getting
the ball to the right place at the right time, right,
whether it's a ten yard pass or a twenty two
yard pass.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, there was a lot of factors there.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I mean, it was a if you asked me when
when he was there, they they fit their players because
he even look at some of the receivers. They they
had a lot of guys that they got a lot
of mileage out of that were possession receivers. Uh and
for the most part, Brady was really well protected when
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he was too. I remember one year Dante skyr Nikki
was the offensive line coach and retired and they ran
into some problems and Bill Belichick talked him out of
retirement and brought him back, you know, to fix the protection,
because without protection, you have nothing.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
That's true. It changes everything. There's no doubt about that.
Somebody had texted earlier. We're in the ball season. Now
we'll get to whether you think got screwed.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Let me tell you, okay for that, Yeah, ball season's
done as.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We know it. It has done.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
When you think there are ten teams that have turned
down a chance to go to a bowl, you had
three teams that had at least six picked street, Notre Dame, Yes,
Iowa State and Kansas State, and they said, do you
want to go? You know?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now, obviously Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Lost their coach that might have something doing in Kansas
State coach retired.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Correct, Notre Dame, they just yeah, you know, I'll ben
take my ball and go home. Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
But the next level teams that would have fit in there,
they still didn't have six wins, but they had five
wins Florida State, Auburn, Rutgers, Temple, UCF, and Baylor.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They don't want to go to a ball game. It's
it's been anything or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And then even if you go to a ball game,
a lot of times the good players are are opting out.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So are you offended by that? Do you think the
players should be obligated to play? Do you do you
defend their right to do what?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
This year?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Like you said, a bunch of teams are How do
you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Well, I think that what's happened with the balls, there's
been so many balls.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Everybody goes forty two, everybody.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Goes to a ball you know, it's it's it's just
like another game, that's all it is. Where it used
to be. I married when I was at Kansas. You know,
you could be seven wins. They might not go to
a ball correct.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You get invited, you got involved in a chance, you
would get on the phone and talk to the ball people.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You buy so many tickets all stuff, and it was
it was a big deal. But it's no big deal anymore.
Though it's not, especially if you're a team that's used
to going to one of the four major ballgame or
the college football playoff, and now that it's twelvey, if
you don't get in, you say, well, kids don't want
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to go.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yep, that's where we're at. So I think I think
you're gonna see.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You know, the only reason they're still surviving, if you
ask me, is that you know, TV people they need
the balls because they need product on TV.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
They definitely do. That's one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And if you don't have that, what are you gonna
what are you gonna put out?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
It?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
All right, I want it, We're gonna get let's get
caught up on brakes, and I want to get to
your view on who got screwed and who didn't, who
has a right to be angry and who doesn't regarding
the uh the postseason tournament field, Mace in your face,
keep the text coming as well. Pure progression. A quarterback
reads a predetermined, fixed order of receivers on a play,
regardless of the defense. So that's it, literally, I guess
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that's the pure part. You literally don't, Matt, don't trust
your eyes. You go here, you go here, and you
go here. That's pure, I guess, which seems counterintuitive to me.
If you've got a quarterback who knows what he's doing.
But we'll get into that in more detail and get
into some other things, other things with mace in your
face and just.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Mace.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
John the mail carrier has checked in regarding the Bowl discussion.
Not sure why so many people care. For some it's
a nice holiday trip. Plus what about stadium workers, concession people,
local restaurants, many others? Too long the list. Who cares?
You don't have to watch or pay any attention. Just
let it happen. Some of these workers could use the
extra money for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Your thoughts, What do you make of that he said
the ball should go on.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And if yeah, he's saying for reasons like that, it's
a nice trip, it's it's you got a lot of
people who you know, get extra paychecks who work in
that in that stadium.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
At my point being, I think you're can get to
a point where the TV people aren't.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Going to pay the money.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
That's probably or the sponsors of the ballgames. Yeah, that's
my point. I've always thought the Bowl games were great rewards.
I don't know why guys are opting out. I know
that the you know, Pj's always had success some ball
games we had pretty good success in ball games.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We made it fun for the players and it was
they were great trips.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I just think that when.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Your top players are opting out and you get bad publicity,
that certain teams that were slotted to go to your
ball say we don't want to go.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
None of that hill.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That's not very good.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well, it's broken down dramatically from its from its Haiti,
there's no question about that. That's undeniable. That's not you
necessarily saying you you you, you know, are against the concept. Oh,
I'm surveying the reality of where it is now.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I think it's sad.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think that the Bulls were a great part of
college football tradition and I think it's been tainted and
I think that's very unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Did Notre Dame get.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Screwedde No, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
It's you know, they're not in a conference, and that's
that's a sore spot with everybody because they could name
the conference that they want to go to.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Let's face it.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I know that ten tried forever and ever and ever,
but in fact, probably their their TV deal would have
been more financially benefit if they were to joined the
Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
In state and independent, but they want to call, you know,
their own shots.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
So you know, you I heard some of the people
on TV say, you know, a team shouldn't be penalized
for playing in a conference game, you know, a conference
championship game, and I guess what they're talking about. I
assume was Alabama getting just thumped twy Georgia.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know, so you know that would do that.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Well, then you go down and say, well, if you're
not going to penalize there, well, if that's consistent, then
you know why it is the highest state going one
and lose to Indiana and then they three or go
to three. But if you think that's true, then you
go to Miami and you compare.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Miami and Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Miami didn't play in the ACC championship game, you know,
Duke and Virginia did in Duke upset Virginia. So if
you if you look at that, then you say, well,
how come Miami, Well they beat him head to head.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You know, one of the things that you talk about
the college football Playoff is supposed to be the best teams.
And I've heard Nick Saban say this. We once or
maybe maybe it was Lane Kiffin, one of the two
you know, birds of the same feather right there. You know,
is that let the Las Vegas the side of the
best teams.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well you look at Alabama and play in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well there's Alabama's a one point five favorite, even though
they got dumped by Georgia. They say, oh, it's okay.
Miami and Texas A and m And you know Texas
A and M lost that last game. Otherwise, heck, they
might have been number one. They're three point five favorites
over Miami, so Miami must be pretty good. But then
you get to Tulane and Ole Miss, and ole Miss
(35:59):
is a seventeen and a half point favorite. Seventeen and
a half someone might say, well wait a minute. And
then you got Oregon, who they're pretty good right against
James Madison twenty one and a half point favorite. So
I understand that because they have everybody, yes, I want
into this thing. You needed all the conferences and the
(36:20):
other guys that were on the outside like JMU to.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Buy in to make it comprehensive. The only I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Tell you it's gonna go to twenty four teams real quick.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yes, there's no question. My issue with Bama is I
get it that you don't if you decide, well, I
don't want to penalize them too much for playing in
an extra game, But if you lose by twenty one
points and you don't even lose any standing, that doesn't
make sense to me, you know what I'm saying. I
think they should slide. There should be some penal It
(36:50):
was their third loss too, I mean the three losses.
So I again, is it outlandish to think that they
shouldn't that they're they missed the field. I don't want
to go that are, but to me, they should have
moved some at the very least. And it felt like.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Now they're playing the teams that we're already playing.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's exactly it. That's right in fact, and I think
Indiana plays the winner of that game. I'm not mistaken,
which I think is pretty Uh, those are two pretty
good opponents. So you're I think you're right. The answer
is they're just going to keep adding teams. It's inevitable
that they're going to do that, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think so, and I for a couple of reasons.
One because the controversy over this, and I don't know
how you keep adding teams. I think you're gonna have
to do away with the conference championship.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You know that may they're people who have theorized that
You're right, that's what ends up. Yes, which makes But
is there too much money.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
To live for a Confence champion to give rid to
the conference championship?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
That makes some sense? Do you just you know, you know,
TV rules everything. Do they lose too much money if
the conference title games go away?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, no, because you're adding more.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Games, that's true.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, actually adding more games. That might be the answer,
which is goes to the next thing. What's that?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I know if you saw that Utah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Think they've done.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
It was rumored that they entered into a third party
agreement with a private equity, you know, getting money for
them to take piece of the action. I think that's
a real slippery slope. And the reason I say that
very seldom. It never does somebody put a large amount
of money in that don't want to say so what's
(38:27):
going on? Because they want to return on their investment.
And when I'm talking about how many times on this
show do we talk about TV.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
TV controls everything. I mean, they control.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Starting signs, they got to say in everything. They're putting
a lot of money out there. They got an investment.
They want to return on their money. Look at the
apparel people to shoot people. Why do you think we
have teams they don't wear the same uniform two weeks
in a row.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You think it's because they want no the TV.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
You say, we'll give you the money, but we want
you to wear these alternative uniforms. And we've got away
from There was a day and age when I first
probably when I was a player, when I first got
involved in in coaching, where most places they did pretty good.
The expenses were held down and they still tried to fundraise,
(39:17):
but they operated with the idea we want your money,
but we don't want your two cents. But now you're
getting enough money, you're going to get their trade sents
and more.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Whether you want it or not. You can't avoid it
because the money's too great. That's your point. Any interest
in a football a college football n IT championship, Pick
eight teams for the playoffs. Let the network with broadcasting
rights pick the teams to play. You know it's a consolations.
You know, I grew up in Jersey.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I used to go over to the old Madison Square,
watch mart Garden and watch the NI and.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
It was prestigious. Now, oh it was big time.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It was big time.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
And I remember one time I went there and clearly
U Army coached by Bob Knight. Knight, they were they
were gonna play Saint John's, Okay, And you know what's
sitting on the bench no as a recruit watching the game,
Louel Cinder.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Is that right before.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He was before he became Kareem and went to us.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
This is correct, uh, but uh, I in the back
of my mind that Bob Knight wanted to go to
the n I t rather the NCAA Tournament because then
the whole core could come down and watch it.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I wouldn't be true, but it was very big, no question.
My one regret on the Big ten or conference tournament
or championship games going away is then you deprived. I mean,
Ohio State is no big deal, I guess because they
got figger fish to fry ultimately, but for a team
like Indiana to then be deprived of that night they had,
(40:53):
that would be kind of I think that'd be unfortunate.
On the on the rare occasion when you have a team,
a program that's not used to doing it because it
was a cool night for that for that program.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, you know, exactly right. And you know if you
were real traditionalists.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Before the college football playoff, who should be going to
the Rose Bowl? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
And everybody and that state would be empty?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Uh. And I think except for the older fans, that's.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Really been diminished.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
But as you well know, people dreamed about going to
the Rose Bowl. You know, the University of Minnesota never
had a bigger supporter than Dick Ames. I mean, I'm
telling you never. He he was the greatest. And I'd like
to have a dollar for every time he'd say to me, Land,
you got to get me to the Rose Bowl. I mean,
(41:50):
that's that was his dream in life. And I tell you,
if we were ever been successful in doing that, I
always said, somehow I was gonna get Dick and his
horse team into the Rose Ball parade because he deserved it.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Lastly, we should we mentioned it when it broke actually
during Louis that Michigan's coach is that Sharon Moore is
that he.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Pronounced He's a Kansas guy.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
He has been dismissed the and Michigan is saying it
has to do well, who knows what if his record
had much to do with it. They're saying he engaged
in an inappropriate relationship with a with a staffer, I believe.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Which brings out one of my favorite sayings, which I
can't say on the RADIALI anybody that knows me, he's
listening and they're.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Laughing, they'll know. They'll know exactly what it is. Does
that surprise you at all? I mean you and how much?
Because you know how this works. That may be the
reason they're giving. But they're also his I think his
record was seventeen and eight. Is that good enough? I mean,
if he if this doesn't happen, do you think he's
likely safe for a long time or not? I mean,
what what do you think?
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I don't know all the circumstances, but they must have
him dead to rights if they not only announced that
they fired him and with cause, and so.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
They that's true.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
I don't know, you know the thing about they went
through that if it was going to be public, you know,
they they still have the the tarnished look because of
the UH sign stealing deal, you know, and uh you know,
really the state of Michigan's had their problems with bad
publicity in athletic program, so I don't you know, I'm
(43:31):
sure that enough's enough. You know, we the coach answers
to the a D. The answers to the president. The
president answers to the trustees, so you never know who
makes the call. By the way, it is worth mentioning
the goal. It turns out Indiana will play in the
Rose Bowl, and no it's not the usual Rose Bull
but that will be the side of their first the
second run game, which is great.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
That's good that they at least get they will get
that trip with a little extra time.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'm assuming, so yeah, I guess they'd assume they did.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We'll let you go. Thanks for being the hearty soul.
You are not retreating to Florida like our previous guest
guest Louis does. You're still here, hale and hardy for
at least a few more weeks. Maybe, yeah, you never
never know. Yeah, we'll see you next week. Thank you,
Thank you, Mace in your face. We'll come back with
the top five and five which will include what well
(44:22):
make Kevin Fauns happy. Check it on the Wolves and
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