October 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Glen Mason is back in town (finally left Fargo) and is back in-studio for an hour of great college football talk including James Franklin's firing, Indiana's latest big win and Gophers/Purdue.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face Now,
along with college Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan Moreer.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I almost forgot what Mace looked like. How about you,
Guardie when he walked into your studio. You know what
I did you even recognize you?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You know what he said to me that would you
please go comb your hair?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Your hair is all wind blown from being in Fargo
and that.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
That's just so cheap fact versus fiction. That's exactly what
I said.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I can't believe.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
It didn't look like it was wind blown. Yeah, a
little bit. What's windy out? I know, Yeah, it is
windy out even here. So well, welcome back. It's good
to have you back.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know what. I hate to say it.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Yeah, it's good to be It's good to happen.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's it might be a stretch I missed doing the show.
It might be a stretch, miss Yeah. I can I'll
take that. I can accept that. I can accept that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it's coach day on the on the program, Tom Crean,
we just had him on.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Did you ever know him?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Your pats ever? Cross? You know you've been out of
this how many years now?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Fifteen eighteen eighth.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Eighteen? Maybe this nineteenth year. I don't know. No, two
thousand and six is my last year.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Oh, you're right, nineteen nineteen years. That see, that makes
no sense to me. It does not feel like it's
that long.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Doesn't for me?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Almost twenty years?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Have you?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Do you think you and material ever kiss and make up?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh? Mind? Your show? Are right? I mean, come on,
there's a lot of things, but no, you asked this
question about the things.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I really don't know Tom, but I know his uh.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Family's Distan's family, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I his father in law, Jack Harbaugh, And I think
I've told this story on here, which.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Is, oh, yeah, yeah, you guys had to bunk up.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We bunked up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
It was on a recruiting trip.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right, yeah, alleghany college.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You had just gone to Michigan, And heck, i'd met
him in Chicago at a convention with a guy Mo Ankney,
who had coached with him, met him a bar, and
well they he was going to have lunch with mo Ankney.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So I went along and bought me lunch.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And the next time I saw him, I was at
Pittsburgh Central Catholic.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And I walked in he was watching so hey, Jack,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
He hey, you know, and talking and watching film together
and then he said, uh, hey, I don't know what
you're doing. And I'm staying at the holiday and down
at Pittsburgh Airport. You ought to stop buy for a beer,
So I said, well, great, I you know network and
I was.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Going to do that. And I went down there and
he bought me a beer.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And I was eating pretzels like they were NonStop. He said, man,
you must like pretzels and I said, well, I haven't
eaten yet. He said, I'll order something, so he ordered
me a hamburger and he said where are you staying
at night? And I said, well, I'm not sure i've
heard back yet because we have a low budget, you know,
normally parents of players. And he says, well, I just
stay with me and there's no problem, and I said right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So I went up to his room and there's only.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
One bed, and I go and I said, I'll just
sleep on the floor. No, you're not going to sleep
on the floor. Said yeah, I'm not going to sleep
I'll sleep on the floy say I had brother, you're
going to sleep in bed.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So I slept in bed with.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Him that was too good.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But with Jack Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
And then the next morning I get up, he says,
you got time for breakfast?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I saw, I sure do, went down.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I had breakfast breakfast, Yeah, and he went by way.
And then a couple of weeks later ago I got
a call from Oak. He laughed and he said, what's that?
He says, Jack Harba called me and he said he
told me the story. He goes, what the heck's that
guy's name? I don't even know his name. And the
guy that really likes that story is Jim Harbo, the coach.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Sure he does.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
When I did one of the games that he had,
uh Michigan versus Maryland, and I was on the telephone
with him, he brought up He says, my dad told
that story to the whole staff.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
They can't stop laughing. This is he true? I said,
it's absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
It's like right out of planes, trains and automobile. Yes,
it's a great story.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I don't make my book.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Uh yeah, who's have you figured out who's writing it?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know yet?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I haven't figured out. Well maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we
can negotiate sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, I think you know, you know what the problem
is your percentage would be you want too much of
the percentage.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, I'm like, there's going to be any profit. I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, you never know, you know, I think it would
sell very well regionally.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
There's only I hate to say it, there's only one
of two guys that should should write that book because
our our history.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah right, you know what I mean. Yeah, it ought
to be you or Pat? Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know Friday, the birthday that Royce will be celebrating.
You know how old he will be on Friday, eighty
eighty eight zero. He was actually going to be on Monday.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That's not that old.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And then he's having some I think he's having some
knee issues, which is trying to get taken care of them.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He can write it while he's laid up there.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
You go, that's right? Or audience?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know what I mean? Really, I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, we'll talk about it. We won't be able to
do it. Could we stand each other enough? That's the question,
because you got you got to be in close proximity.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think you guys should recreate the Hardbass story while
you're writing the book and.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Just stay in a hotel together.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You can get your own man.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, I know, I know who would be buying all
the meals and the beer?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You me, Yeah, because you got all the money. What
money I mean you got well, I mean you had
the big buyout.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, and you're in. You're frugal, you know, you're not
a big spender.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
We've talked, well, I'm not cheaply, but I'm a big spender.
The uh, We've talked about this before. But everybody has
to agree that these ads college presidents, board of trustees
have lost their mind. I mean, sooner or later, someone's
got to be closed doors, probably trustees that's what age
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whatever to call them, say enough enough, this is now.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Your resid insanity.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
But they're all in on it.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
That's the thing that I don't know if anybody I
asked Guardie the other day, name me the coach who
will have the first one hundred million dollar buyout. It's
coming right, I mean, Penn Steak guy was what was
it fifty eight or fifty about fifty fifty. Eventually there's
gonna be a it's gonna be one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The guy at Georgia, I think his buyouts one twelve.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Are you being serious.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I'm serious.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
If what I saw on social well, look it up,
check it out.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So it already exists.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Maybe, yeah, but he's not he's hitting fire.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, that's true. That's a very good point. All right,
let's stay on time. I do have a great couple
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Speaker 2 (06:55):
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Speaker 6 (06:55):
Who's your hotline? When we were tired.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Guards you what about that one hundred million dollars buyout?
Does that exist for Georgia? Guy it does? You want
the top ten?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yeah? That's a great idea from the big Lead dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay, well we should also probably mention a text reminds
us of I think what you reminded me of the
other day, Jimbo Fisher. That was a bigger buyout than
the change right Jimbo was was a seventy six million.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Dollars at buyout. Yeah, okay, that's about right.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And most of the time, like it's the buyout as
of today, right, yeah, because they all go down typically
the more years that you've actually coached a lot of
times it's just the remaining money on your contract.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Matt Rule.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
If he were to be fired, Nebraska coach fifty six
point two eight million, Dabo Sweeney sixty million, Mario Christobal
sixty one. He's Miami, Brian Kelly Lsu sixty two, Mike
Norvell Florida State sixty three.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That might be the only it saved.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Sam, You're right, because that happens, right.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Steve Starkey's in Texas sixty four million, Kaylin de boor
seventy million. You may recall it a few weeks ago
an Alabama fan said if she won the record setting powerball,
the first thing she would do is buy out Kaylen
de Bor.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Let's see, right, is she did?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
She didn't win.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
She didn't win, so he's still coaching. He's got Tennessee
this weekend. Lincoln Riley is ninety million, and Kirby Smarts
buyout as of now is one hundred and eighteen million.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now you know your wife I'm gonna tell you how.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Just like I said before, I can't prove it, but
I really believe that there was a secret conference that
took place of these ads, presidents and border trustees, regents,
what we ever call all of them got together and
they say, this is what we're going to do, and
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we're going to show everybody that we're in control. Because
it makes no sense, but we're in control. And it's
not Can you imagine I can only imagine the uproar
on college Let's say Penn State and they're cutting a
programer is, they're raising tuition and they're they're arguing over
nickels and dimes and they're paying a guy fifty million
(09:14):
dollars that went out the door. In reality, if you
look at his record, oh yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He beat nobody. Who did he beat?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I mean, he beat a highest state one time when
they got a field goal block when Irban Meyer was
theyre going to win the game going away. He was
five and five against Michigan State had to have a
losing program against Michigan and they've not been world beaters
there for a while.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I mean, it's it's crazy, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I guess he was pretty good, good against Maryland and Rutgers.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's not what you're paying them for though. No, absolutely
so are you comfortable as a former coach even with
those facts, because those are facts, Are you comfortable with
him being dismissed?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, I wouldn't have done it right now like they
did it, you know. And I say that I know
the rationality. Oh let him go now, because then we're
first in line for the coach that we want.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I don't think it's fair to the players on that team,
I really don't. I mean, they signed it, you know,
they're they're they're trying their best. They don't want to
lose those games. But to have that season, especially for
the older guys, just turned upside down like that. The
other thing from a business dance. Every one of those
players can get into the portal right now, you know.
(10:40):
And I've always thought that, you know, maybe it'd be
better if you had a discussion coming down the wire
Pat Kraft, the a D or the president whatever, and say, James,
you know, not that you've done a terrible job here,
but unite up to our standards.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
The best thing for both of us.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Why don't you look for an opening you know, there
might be someone else that's looking for you.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, you got a.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Pretty good overall record, but you know you haven't beaten
the guys we want you to beat. But maybe you
can leave and land in a different place and it
could be a win win for both of us. Now,
I don't know if that's unrealistic or not, but I
think that would be a better thing than all of
a sudden after a three game losing streak. Boy, he's
gone and it's an uproar, and you're not going to
(11:29):
hire a coach right now anyway. And now every coach
that might be interested that they have to face the
press in their market and tiptoe around are you interested
or not? And even if they come out and just
adamantly said there is no way I'm leaving here. You
can't believe it or not. And if the guy's tiptoe
(11:51):
and I heard my rule, tiptoe around. Oh, I was
born a Penn State fan. I was born with a
Penn State Chuir, Well, that doesn't sound like a hard note.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
They No, it does not, does it. He says his
wife decides where they live.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You know, there's a there's a lot of guys that
claim wives make decisions.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That's just decisions you don't want to take credit for.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yeah, that's that's often.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
So is he going to do say I didn't want
to leave Husker fans, but my wife's making me leave.
Come on, I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
The Well, let me ask you, you know, because you
remember what happened with Penn State this year. They play
a very competitive game with Oregon, right, and they lose
an OT was a single O T or DOUBLET? I
don't remember, it's a double double OT. But you know
that's not a sin, right, It's a good, good, good ballgame.
And then they what they go to u c l
A and get killed early. They ended up making it
(12:44):
a relatively competitive game, but they didn't win. UCLA had
been winless to that point. Maybe they awakened the beast
because now u c l A. They you know, they
went to Michigan State and they dominated, and then they
come back home and they lose to Northwestern. So I'm
gonna use a crushing defeat in your history here to
try to ask these question. Well, because I'm trying to
make a point.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Can one game.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
For a good team if they lose a game that
they had every opportunity to win, and it's a big one.
Do you buy the notion that teams can unravel after
that that mentally it's just everybody says you got to
get over it, next game whatever, but that it can
have a significant impact. Because we were talking about the
(13:30):
Michigan game because the next week, well how much did
that take out of you? I guess that is what
I'm saying, because I think, then didn't you end up?
You get half the people from Michigan State for home
the next week and.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
You lost that game.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So is there such a thing as as much as
you try to coach players back up that something gets lost.
And I'm using it as for the example currently of
Penn State. What may have happened to them where you
start losing that stuff and you just can't get your
team back.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Well, let's well, first of all, losing to Oregon is
not with cost him his job. If he would have
beat UCLA and beaten Northwestern, he still be the coach
that right now.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Now people might be complaining, right right, but you all
of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Going down the road if he you know, if he
you know, if you won again, he kept winning these
teams he should and.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Let's say beat a high state.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Oh, you know, give him a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That that's the way it works.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
There is definitely a hangover effect in athletics. I really
believe that one way or another. If you play a game,
for your example of Michigan, you know where we played awfully, well,
we lost the game. You know, all of a sudden,
everybody's still told what if this?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
What if that? What you know?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I mean going into the next week. So if you
don't watch out two, one team can beat you twice
or the second thing, you may have a great victory
against you beat somebody you shouldn't beat. Yep, And and
then again it's Thursday and your girlfriend and the guys
in the dorm and mom and dad are still talking
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about that great victory.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, that's not helping you win the next game.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Works both ways. Here's the text that came in earlier.
This is from Solid Blaine. We you ask Mace. In
all his years coaching, the Gophers had some very solid squads.
In today's playoff system in college football, what do you
believe was your best squad that you feel if there
had been a playoff like there is now, that your
team might have been dangerous.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
He's saying it would.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Have to be Marony Barber as the duo at running back.
But you know he's interested in your view if you've
ever given that any thought, or can give that any
thought right now.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, you know, I haven't coached in what I hate
to say it, I coached a long time, but I
haven't coached in a long time. A lot of those
teams just, you know, really go together.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
But you know, when we had.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Barber and Maroney and to Pay and we had an
awful good offensive line and seemed like we could control
the line of scrimmage offensively and move.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The ball on anybody.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And contrary to a lot of people think we weren't
from a one dimensional we threw the ball awful well.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think because of that ability. During that Pio still had.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Those guys that, even though we play some teams let's say,
had better talent, if they would play poor or make
a mistake turn the ball over once, I felt like
we could beat anybody. Now, obviously, we didn't play in
the college football playoff era, we didn't play in the
four team era, we didn't play in the twelve The
(16:46):
entire you know the whole emphasis, which is kind of
sad because I'm a traditionalist, was the rose ball that
was the fault, and not just for that, not just
for Minnesota, for every team in the Big Ten. That
was the cherry on top of the pie. Get to
the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I mentioned who's your hotline? I do have to talk
a little bit about the Hoosiers in this.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'll start it with this as your toss up, because
you and I talked about this a little bit off here,
and I thought you had an interesting answer. The paranoia
around there, I'm sure is well. Now everybody's going to
come after Signetti. One of the reports in Penn State
I heard was they want the Notre Dame coach, but
who knows? So, I mean, how concerned should Hoosier fans
be if you're counseling for some reason off the record,
(17:35):
the ad and the folks who run things that I
you on how to give yourself the best chance, And
I'd have to be paranoid about losing this guy, who
is you know, turned around one of the worst programs ever.
What's your counsel What is your advice to him? How
do you or to them? How do you get it
done well.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
First of all, I really don't think that Kurt Signetti,
at sixty four years old where he is, is looking
to leave Indiana right now. And if I was Indiana,
you have the conversation with him, say what you've done
is unbelievable. Now we want to do everything that we
(18:13):
possibly can to continue this. And I think if they
took that approach, I really don't think that he would leave.
You know, I think the only reason why he'd leave
they had success and all of a sudden he wants
something reasonable and.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They said they say, oh, no, we've never done that
here before. Well you have never won here before, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Don't give them that analogy, But that happens sometimes.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So I think that.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
The situation down there, and if they're really really smart,
because the collateral benefits of what's happening in football at Indiana,
you can't put a dollar and cent. They're sold out
the rest of the season. And the next thing you're
going to see is someone from omissions in US say that,
you know, we used to have fifty thousand applications, now
we have a one hundred thousand applications. We used to take,
(19:03):
you know, one and fifteen applicants. Now we're taking one
in three because everybody wants to go there because it's fun.
Not to mention the financial benefits of every guy that
owns a bar, or a restaurant or a motel. They're
probably parking cars in those lots right across the street for.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Who knows how much money. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
How come Why is it so difficult for the academics
at a school who you know, despise the whole concept
of sports and lack of proportion.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
And we emphasize this too much.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
How is it they can't be persuaded that on a
practical level you can hold your nose the whole time.
But practically speaking, most of what you say has been
proven time and time again as being true.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
So why doesn't some people like it? Why don't think
it's human nature? It's called jealousy and jealousy? Okay, really is?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I had a guy when I was at the you
one time college professor.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, first of all, I was on this committee. This
is great.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I was on this command I forget for why whether
they put me on a committee. And I was doing
one of my contract negotiations and I came in and
the chair said before he gets started, he looked at
me and he said, how much money do you want?
And I said, oh, I don't want money. He said
what do you want? And I said, I want tenure
like you. It was never brought up again, but during
(20:30):
the same course, the guy says, you know, how come
every time when I go home at night, I turn
on the TV. I see you getting interviewed about something.
You said, you think I want that?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Do you think I want to go on with these
jokers and ask these ridiculous answer these ridiculous questions. No,
what I'm saying is they're thinking that what they do
is really really important to them. It is it is
it absolutely is important. The problem is the general public.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
They're not going to look at this. I'll give you
another one. When I was at who was the professor?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Do you remember? No?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I do, But I'm like, is he still there?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I don't think he's.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Still bring it, to be honest, But.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
When I was at Ohio State, the alumni association would
always uh want the coaches to go out to these
alumni groups all around the country. And I think that
the head football and basketball coach used to give him,
you know, I don't know, four or five appearances a year.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And then.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
The alumni director he always hit me and a couple
other guys up, you know, a couple of them when
he told me one time they kept records at tenants
at alumni meetings. Okay, for Ohio State now here it
was the top draw drawer draw was the head football coach.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
The next top draw was the head basketball coach. Okay,
the next.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Was assistant football, an assistant basketball, and the band directors.
You know, it was six the president of the university. Well,
I'm not saying that's right, but a lot of people
have a promise. So all of a sudden, the guy
that's the assistant professor of history and he.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Has to go there, what chance does he have?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Not much?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
And it's not being endorsing.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm not trying to make fun of it, but I'm
saying people don't have an interest in that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Guardsy watch the Have we had any controversial speakers at
the Dunkers? Yeah, we had those controversies when we were
bring back Cherry Kerr.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Had any dunk controversies? Is I think it's I think
we set them straight.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, you you've spoken Dunkers A bunch shot, yeah, a
lot lately.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, no, they're forgetting too long. Well, I tell you
a story.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
So a couple of years ago, am I going to
mention that guy?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Come on, I'm not like you. I hold people under
the bus all the.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Time, all the time.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But anyway, I had.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
A guy, one of the guys there, said, hey, would
you come and speak at the Dunkers.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
You know people you talk talked a lot. A lot
of the older guys really like you.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Why don't you come back in a perspective, I said, yeah,
I'll do it. So anyway, I gave him a date
and then he called me back and he said, oh,
he says, I'm gonna have to cancel you out.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
And I said, oh really okay.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
He says, I got somebody better, but I'll try to
fit you in next year.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, so I have an ego, I thought, you do. No,
I'm that's it. I'm done.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So that's what'd you name him?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That doesn't he doesn't even deserve protection When he said
something like that, well, who did they get that's better?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Do you remember Jerry Hill knows Jerry kill.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
They don't even have the Dunkers downtown anymore do they know?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
It's I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, I'll give you one more. Uh, who's your
hotline question? How do you?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I mean, you know all the.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Numbers right on the degree to which I mean, I
think that's the first time they've ever beaten a team
in the road.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's a that was a top five ranked team. They're
ranked third in the country, highest ranking they've ever had.
I was reminded they were fourth most recently twice in
sixty seven, the year they shared with the Gophers the
Big Ten title, but they got to go. They played
oj in fact, in the in the in the Rose Bowl.
They're they're one of the worst programs to sit, you know,
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in terms of wins losses ever at a big school,
so to speak. So how does it? How does one
we know kind of what happened last year? You could
say some of it was really was scheduled, but then
they just also were really good at killing people they
were supposed to beat. But he's built on it. So
how does that? How do you explain it? As a
former coach? What do you see?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's it's for me, it's hard for me to imagine it.
And I say this because when you look at Indy,
I would have to venture to say that during the
course of their whole pro they probably averaged less than
four wins a year. I'm guessing. I think I'm pretty close, okay.
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And then now they had some moments of glory, but
not many. But then for Signetti to come in that
quick to make them that good like they were last year,
and then back it up this year. Now I know
things are a little bit different because of the transfer
portal and guys being immediately eligible and no limitations on
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how many new guys you have in the year, you know,
which is a foreign to anything I knew, because you
always had a limit of new guys you could bring
in your program twenty five because no one wanted, you
know that. All the people in control said, if we
didn't have those controls, you'd run guys off, which is terrible.
We can't have that in college athletics. Well, now they
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want run off. So if you if you if you
bring a new guy in and the team's bad, which
means they don't have a good talent, get rid of
them all. And if you can get guys that come
from the program you came from, or stealing from another program.
You have a chance if you're doing the right thing
and you're smart in organized enough to get better faster now.
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Then after you do that, the challenge is to keep them,
you know. Just like, who's a better quarterback than they
got down there? And he's a young guy. Yeah, Mendoza's that's.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
His name, Mendoza. Yeah, yeah, he's really good.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You know. I bet you you better be putting up
the arm guard because somebody might be it has a
big bank roll. We go in here talking to him
about leaving and coming to their place.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'm looking for example, you go even back to the
Donardo era. You're guy, a good coach, big ten. So
this is two thousand and two in Indiana, three straight
seasons of one and seven, the next year one and seven,
two thousand and eight, three straight seasons of one and
seven starting then twenty eleven, zero and eight, two and six,
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three and five, one and seven, two and six, two
and seven, two and seven. Tom Allen had a couple
of good years, yep. Then he goes back to zero
and nine, two and seven and one in eight. So
the three years before Signetti gets here or gets the
Indiana I guess I should say their Big ten record
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is three and twenty four. That's what he's turned around.
Last year he was eight and one. You Tom Allen
had that good year he did. Yeah, and they signed
him to a big contract.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's true. And he went the.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Other one with your thinking of you're trying to commit
to him.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, And I'm sure that the naysayers when Signetti came
in last year and that year and they did whatever
they did, I think they really stepped up, keeping his
defensive coordinator and whatever they did for him, there were
some people say, yeah, we've done this before. Let's look out.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Here's a tech that you might want to react to.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
You.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I think guards you might enjoy it as well.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Dan, It's amazing how if you have a good coach
like Signetti and a sugar daddy like Mark Cuban, your
program can quickly leap into the top ten. I think
Fleck could get us there if the you could find
a sugar daddy that could have been t Denny Sandford,
if mother Maturi hadn't screwed that up.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
He's right in a comment, He's right about a lot
of that.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I don't think it was just material that wasn't no
subt he shouldn't say that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I don't defend myself a lot, but it wasn't me.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You can write that one down.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Big shot boosters have always been a part of this,
as you know. But I do feel like now more
than ever, you need a billionaire. You know, cubans a
billion You need a billionaire, not a millionaire. You need
a billionaire on your side.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Wait a minute, a billionaire that's interested enough.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Yes, that's fanatic enough.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Crazy enough to put his money where his mouth he bite,
the guy takes his tay anyway, he's a billionaire and
he's i think the head of the board of trustees.
So whatever he says is gonna go down there. And
that's basically what they've done. But you're right, but there's
a lot of people with a lot of money that
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have no interest in.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Putting the money.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's that's true. It's got to be both. They got
to have the money and they got to have the interest.
You're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean you look at this town. There's a
lot of people with a lot of money, right, Yeah.
I mean, all of a sudden, I'll just say, and
I'm gonna say the Let's say if the McMillan cargo family,
you got more money those guys, if they said, you
know what, okay, open up the cast, that would be
a ball mark for them.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
There's no question they're too busy buying. Weren't they buying
up to loose? They were buying up to loose. But
they I think they've stopped. They stopped doing that.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, we'll never know what their plans were.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
In fairness, I should mention for accuracy sake, Cuban, because
we talked about this the other day. Cuban has not
invested that much until now. He just said he hasn't
jumped on the bandwag. He's jumping on the bandwagon. And
but you know what, if you're a coach, you'll take
it right. You're not gonna buy. You're not gonna mock
him for jumping on the bandwagon. If he's writing a
check for five million bucks every year.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Right, why what do you care?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yea, what do you care? You just take advantage of
the of the of the whole day.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I'd look at it and say, well, he would have
gone in here before, if I would have been here before.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
We've got a question.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
A lot of good questions coming in for you, Mace,
including this individuals seven to one guy, did Mace catch
any of Iowa's shutout of Wisconsin?
Speaker 6 (30:26):
And speaking of you know coaches.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Anyway, I know where it is, you know better than most.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Absolutely watched the game with that.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah. I probably had a beer with the guy.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I mean, can it get worse than it is in Madison?
Speaker 4 (30:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I you know, I was shocked. I mean I've said
it before.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Luke Fickle I thought when they hired him in a
sense and I thought he was a home run. And man,
it's going to be a struggle turning around. It's going
from bad to worse. And for I to score thirty
seven points, is that right.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Down the zip? Now?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Usually maybe because at times they you know, the Eyewa defense,
but thirty seven points. Iowa can't score thirty seven points
on air, you know what I mean? That's there must
be And I don't know if they've got injuries.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I don't know what the problem is.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Uh, But there's gotta be a lot a lot of
unhappy campers over there. And you'd have to think, uh,
I guess the good side of big buyouts.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
If it didn't have a big buyout he probably gone.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
All right, let's talk some Gophers Purdue, and then they're
preparing for a big game Friday night here on national
TV against the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Mace in your face continues,
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Mace in your illustrious coaching career, did you ever bring
your players together during a game, or let's say, at halftime,
to say, guys, they are begging us to win this game.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
We are going to regret it for the.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Rest of our lives if we do not take advantage
of the opportunity they offer. Because to me, that's basically
what PJ. Flex should have said at some point in
that game when they're playing the Purdue boil Makers.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I don't know if I used exactly you know, those terms.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I feel a little melodramatic.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, but I mean there have been times that, you know,
you get in there and you say, hey, fellas.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
This game want to be over already.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know, you know, three times in the red zone
and we end up trying three field goals and we
missed one, and the other time we're going and we
fumbled the ball. We're a lot better than they are.
They're not very good. You look at them. We should
be running away with this game.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
That's that was my impression of Gophers Purdue.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
What did I don't know how much of it you
got to see, you know, because you said you tried
to find it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I couldn't. I couldn't. I was up and far and
it was on the Big ten network.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
And the electronic devices that were afforded to me.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It wasn't on there.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
I could network was not included.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
No, it wasn't on there. Just terrible.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, Well, Guardian and I talked about this. Vikings run
defense has been awful this year. Gophers run defense similarly
awful this year. What what's that about? I mean, generally speaking,
is it always?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
You just not stout enough of the line of scrip.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
No, that's where it starts, you know, the old the
old saying about you know that the first thing you
had to do is you got to control the line
of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
You had to win up for you.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And as I remind yards you all the time, that
figures lie and liars figure. So not being able to
watch that game, you look at the stats, which you know,
you know can be misleading. But the thing that jumped
up to me, the thing that you're talking about, and.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
This has been a recurring thing for the Golphers.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
From my advantage point, they have trouble running the football.
I think they ran the ball for thirty yards.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Is that accurate? Caards? Thirty yards?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
And then on the flip side Purdue, I think they
rushed for two hundred and fifty yards or more. You know,
I mean to me, there's something at a balance. And
you remember a week ago we were talking about the
Gophers against the highest state and I talked about mismatch
of talent.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Everybody could see that, let's face it.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
But I said the offensive line, you know, for the
most part against a very good defensive line of Ohio State,
I thought they pass protected pretty darn well. But in
the run game they got manhandled. Watching I'm watching that
part of it, and I'm you know, I'm an old
offensive line card. You get knocked backwards, that happens, you
can't run the football. So I don't know if that's
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the only answer. But when you have the point of
the Gophers and the Vikings, you know, you talk about
when we had the running really good running backs, well
we had awful good linemen. And when need to start
talking about Esslinger and I can't get this. I can't
get him in the Hall of Fame guards. I don't
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know if I ever told you that, but never they
on the Outland Trophy. But uh, we had him and
those other guys that we had, not just him, but
we had five guys that, you know, could really Mark Setterstrom.
I mean, he is as good as you know. He
got overshadowed marked it because how good Eslinger was. But
sometimes those guys had run through the line. Everybody but cheering.
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I think, heck, I gotta ran through there, you know
what I'm saying. And so that was the perfect storm
wire running attack was so could.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
We have guys could really and we had guys that
knew what to do with it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Speaking of we, I got head guards to get some
sound I want you to listen to from speaking of Signetti.
This is I don't know what network this was on.
It's on Joel Klatt's podcast, Joel Klatz podsca podcast because
the subject came up whether there's you know, there's too
many people who've been disrespectful of Indiana, including who's the
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SEC guy who's not going to run for Senate Paul
Feinbaum continues to hammer Indiana and at least the coach
listen to the theory offered up here. I want to
get your reaction to it, if you think there's anything
to it, or you think Signetti is being like many
coaches tend to be a little bit paranoid.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
When he says this, Let's listen and let's face it.
You know, college athletics, college football has really changed a lot,
you know, in the last five ten to fifteen years,
and there's a division, there's no doubt about it in
the media, and a lot of it's tied into whatever
TV network is covering which conference, and then you're going
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to have sports writers that support those schools and are
against the other schools. So there is definitely a great divide.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
He's basically saying, if you have an se pro sec
bias because your network is doing more of their games,
that's why you tend to minimize success, for example, by
Indiana and the Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
You think he's anything to that, or you think he's
being a little paranoid.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
No, I think there's something to it. I can only
speak from personal experience. You know, when I was with
the Big Ten network, and I think you'd have a
hard time going back and saying, oh, he's pulling for Minnesota,
he's pulling for a highest state. No, I pulled for
the Big Ten. And I'd get a little defensive sometimes
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when Yeah, back in those days when said, oh, SEC,
you know, any team in the SEC could win the
Big Ten, and said, well, wait a minute, that's you
know that's not true. Now, you know, I don't know
Paul Feinbaum. He's got all the Who did he play
for anyway?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
That guy? Huh huh. I think he played for Indiana.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
Could have in the old days, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And he's he's in a run for he's thinking about
running for South I don't know if that's fishing.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
You don't think we got problems in the government? Huh?
You might get maybe I had to do that.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
What do you think we've talked about that before?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
We had you Wise at a mayor. You didn't want
to do it and want to Yeah, we we would
have started the campaign. Yeah, I didn't live in Wise,
that though, that was the That was the well.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's never stopped many people from running for various offices.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
That's for sure. Uh six one two guy right right?
How can Pja recruit.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
When even a millionaire in Fargo can't get the Gophers
on TV.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Pretty good point. Who was me, Yeah, you're the millionaire,
of course, Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Well that's it. That's I guess that's a little bit
of problem.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You know. One thing I saw, and I don't know
if this was a glitch or whatever, but I was
I was watching one of the games that was on.
I want to say it was on AB seed Man,
I might be wrong, And who have been on ABC?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It would have been Alabama or something.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Uh. And I was watching the game and it's coming
right down to the end, you know what I mean,
And it went through the over the time period for
the North Dakota state and that was going to be
on there.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
They flipped it right over, they did, I mean right.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Over, not even not even a.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Boom. I thought I inadvertently changed the channel.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No they didn't, well did. They must have moved it
maybe to one or the other. Maybe they moved to
ESPN four or something. I don't have the same as ABC.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I don't think they. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I forgot I think it was it might have been
one of those other channels. But I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Gophers have a big one Friday night. Yeah, they are
hosting the Nebraska Cornhuskers. What do you make of that matchup?
What do you make of the condition of both clubs
right now going into that game?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Well, I think it's a obviously on paper, it's a
big game. Nebraska, as we have said over the years,
is not really Nebraska. But here they're sitting five and one,
and now they're going to play at Friday. And I
think they played away last week too, didn't.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
They did that Maryland.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I think, well, that's tough to play away at Maryland.
They come back from away game and have to play
on a Friday night. But they agreed to it, I
guess to play Minnesota, and I'm sure in their camp
they're thinking, well, if we play well, we should win
this game to go to six and one.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know, which is.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Their ranked twenty fifth?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
I think, yeah, twenty fifth, so they haven't been ranked
a long time. But at the same time, if you're PJ.
Fleck and the Gophers, you're thinking, well, you know, uh,
you know, we lost the game that we really feel
bad about in California.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
You know, we played Buckeyes.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's okay, We probably won a game that you know,
last week we should have won bigger. But this game's
really important because we got to go to five and two.
We don't want to go to four and three. So
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
I I think it's probably going to come down to.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
You would think that Matt Rule would think telling his
defensive coordinator to date, these guys are one dimensional, you.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Know, and this quick.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
You know, I don't know what happened to the quarterback
because I couldn't see it, but statistically he was not
good last week. I was. I was raving about him
the week before, you know, And so give him protection.
You think he can pick you apart. So you better
be pretty good because we got to force these guys
to run the football and see if we can hold up.
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And then on the other end of that, you know,
in the old days, I'm gonna say that Tom Osborne, Nebraska,
they'd have looked at the film of last week Purdue
and they would have said, if Purdue can rush the
ball for two hundred and fifty yards, we're talking about
five hundred. I mean, they would run the ball until
you wave the white flag. So I think it's a
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I think it's an important game. I think it's a
defining game going forward for both very much.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
So.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
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Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah, that's that's that's not easy to do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I can't wait till you take us over there. I
really can't.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Well, we will do it. We'll do it. The problem
is you're not in town enough. Well, you're either in
Fargo or Florida.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be here for We'll be
here for a while.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
Yeah, all right, we'll make it work. Anything else before
we go.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Well, I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
There's you know, there's a there was a a couple
I think big games that we're talking about. Uh, you
talk about going from bad to worse. You know, Wisconsin plays.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
This now Oregon back to back.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Yeah, they just got out of the easy part of
their schedule.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
And then and then we talked about Iowa what they
did in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
You know they played this week Penn State. Penn State.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Now Iowa was sitting at four and two, so I'm
sure they're thinking about this game.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Oh man, this is just like the Gophers.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
There's an opportunity, you know, for us to go you know,
five and two and then let's not be remiss.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Usc and Notre Dame. Now, you know Notre Dame lost
their first two.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Games, but everybody out there, all these announcers, all their
college football playoff team, because they are going to run
the table. They lose this game, you can forget about it.
They're not going to get in the college football playoff
with three losses.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Some good matchups, all right, Well, good to see you.
You're going to be back here next week, Yes, upstanding,
no rumor, Thanks for coming in. Good to see as always, Kessler.
In about a half hour, our Top five.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Next, which will include you've talked about the zimmerization of
Kevin O'Connell. I'll give you the sabanization of Kevin O'Connell.
It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face Now,
along with college Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan Moreer.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I almost forgot what Mace looked like. How about you,
Guardie when he walked into your studio. You know what
I did you even recognize you?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You know what he said to me that would you
please go comb your hair?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Your hair is all wind blown from being in Fargo
and that.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
That's just so cheap fact versus fiction. That's exactly what
I said.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I can't believe.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
It didn't look like it was wind blown. Yeah, a
little bit. What's windy out? I know, Yeah, it is
windy out even here. So well, welcome back. It's good
to have you back.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know what. I hate to say it.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Yeah, it's good to be It's good to happen.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's it might be a stretch I missed doing the show.
It might be a stretch, miss Yeah. I can I'll
take that. I can accept that. I can accept that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it's coach day on the on the program, Tom Crean,
we just had him on.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Did you ever know him?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Your pats ever? Cross? You know you've been out of
this how many years now?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Fifteen eighteen eighth.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Eighteen? Maybe this nineteenth year. I don't know. No, two
thousand and six is my last year.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Oh, you're right, nineteen nineteen years. That see, that makes
no sense to me. It does not feel like it's
that long.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Doesn't for me?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Almost twenty years?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Have you?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Do you think you and material ever kiss and make up?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh? Mind? Your show? Are right? I mean, come on,
there's a lot of things, but no, you asked this
question about the things.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I really don't know Tom, but I know his uh.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Family's Distan's family, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I his father in law, Jack Harbaugh, And I think
I've told this story on here, which.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Is, oh, yeah, yeah, you guys had to bunk up.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We bunked up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
It was on a recruiting trip.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right, yeah, alleghany college.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You had just gone to Michigan, And heck, i'd met
him in Chicago at a convention with a guy Mo Ankney,
who had coached with him, met him a bar, and
well they he was going to have lunch with mo Ankney.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So I went along and bought me lunch.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And the next time I saw him, I was at
Pittsburgh Central Catholic.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And I walked in he was watching so hey, Jack,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
He hey, you know, and talking and watching film together
and then he said, uh, hey, I don't know what
you're doing. And I'm staying at the holiday and down
at Pittsburgh Airport. You ought to stop buy for a beer,
So I said, well, great, I you know network and
I was.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Going to do that. And I went down there and
he bought me a beer.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And I was eating pretzels like they were NonStop. He said, man,
you must like pretzels and I said, well, I haven't
eaten yet. He said, I'll order something, so he ordered
me a hamburger and he said where are you staying
at night? And I said, well, I'm not sure i've
heard back yet because we have a low budget, you know,
normally parents of players. And he says, well, I just
stay with me and there's no problem, and I said right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So I went up to his room and there's only.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
One bed, and I go and I said, I'll just
sleep on the floor. No, you're not going to sleep
on the floor. Said yeah, I'm not going to sleep
I'll sleep on the floy say I had brother, you're
going to sleep in bed.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So I slept in bed with.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Him that was too good.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But with Jack Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
And then the next morning I get up, he says,
you got time for breakfast?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I saw, I sure do, went down.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I had breakfast breakfast, Yeah, and he went by way.
And then a couple of weeks later ago I got
a call from Oak. He laughed and he said, what's that?
He says, Jack Harba called me and he said he
told me the story. He goes, what the heck's that
guy's name? I don't even know his name. And the
guy that really likes that story is Jim Harbo, the coach.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Sure he does.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
When I did one of the games that he had,
uh Michigan versus Maryland, and I was on the telephone
with him, he brought up He says, my dad told
that story to the whole staff.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
They can't stop laughing. This is he true? I said,
it's absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
It's like right out of planes, trains and automobile. Yes,
it's a great story.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I don't make my book.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Uh yeah, who's have you figured out who's writing it?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know yet?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
I haven't figured out. Well maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we
can negotiate sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, I think you know, you know what the problem
is your percentage would be you want too much of
the percentage.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, I'm like, there's going to be any profit. I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, you never know, you know, I think it would
sell very well regionally.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
There's only I hate to say it, there's only one
of two guys that should should write that book because
our our history.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah right, you know what I mean. Yeah, it ought
to be you or Pat? Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know Friday, the birthday that Royce will be celebrating.
You know how old he will be on Friday, eighty
eighty eight zero. He was actually going to be on Monday.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That's not that old.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And then he's having some I think he's having some
knee issues, which is trying to get taken care of them.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He can write it while he's laid up there.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
You go, that's right? Or audience?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know what I mean? Really, I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, we'll talk about it. We won't be able to
do it. Could we stand each other enough? That's the question,
because you got you got to be in close proximity.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I think you guys should recreate the Hardbass story while
you're writing the book and.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Just stay in a hotel together.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You can get your own man.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, I know, I know who would be buying all
the meals and the beer?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You me, Yeah, because you got all the money. What
money I mean you got well, I mean you had
the big buyout.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, and you're in. You're frugal, you know, you're not
a big spender.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
We've talked, well, I'm not cheaply, but I'm a big spender.
The uh, We've talked about this before. But everybody has
to agree that these ads college presidents, board of trustees
have lost their mind. I mean, sooner or later, someone's
got to be closed doors, probably trustees that's what age
(05:59):
whatever to call them, say enough enough, this is now.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Your resid insanity.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
But they're all in on it.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
That's the thing that I don't know if anybody I
asked Guardie the other day, name me the coach who
will have the first one hundred million dollar buyout. It's
coming right, I mean, Penn Steak guy was what was
it fifty eight or fifty about fifty fifty. Eventually there's
gonna be a it's gonna be one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The guy at Georgia, I think his buyouts one twelve.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Are you being serious.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I'm serious.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
If what I saw on social well, look it up,
check it out.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So it already exists.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Maybe, yeah, but he's not he's hitting fire.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, that's true. That's a very good point. All right,
let's stay on time. I do have a great couple
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Speaker 2 (06:55):
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Speaker 6 (06:55):
Who's your hotline? When we were tired.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Guards you what about that one hundred million dollars buyout?
Does that exist for Georgia? Guy it does? You want
the top ten?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yeah? That's a great idea from the big Lead dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay, well we should also probably mention a text reminds
us of I think what you reminded me of the
other day, Jimbo Fisher. That was a bigger buyout than
the change right Jimbo was was a seventy six million.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Dollars at buyout. Yeah, okay, that's about right.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
And most of the time, like it's the buyout as
of today, right, yeah, because they all go down typically
the more years that you've actually coached a lot of
times it's just the remaining money on your contract.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Matt Rule.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
If he were to be fired, Nebraska coach fifty six
point two eight million, Dabo Sweeney sixty million, Mario Christobal
sixty one. He's Miami, Brian Kelly Lsu sixty two, Mike
Norvell Florida State sixty three.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That might be the only it saved.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Sam, You're right, because that happens, right.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Steve Starkey's in Texas sixty four million, Kaylin de boor
seventy million. You may recall it a few weeks ago
an Alabama fan said if she won the record setting powerball,
the first thing she would do is buy out Kaylen
de Bor.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Let's see, right, is she did?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
She didn't win.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
She didn't win, so he's still coaching. He's got Tennessee
this weekend. Lincoln Riley is ninety million, and Kirby Smarts
buyout as of now is one hundred and eighteen million.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now you know your wife I'm gonna tell you how.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Just like I said before, I can't prove it, but
I really believe that there was a secret conference that
took place of these ads, presidents and border trustees, regents,
what we ever call all of them got together and
they say, this is what we're going to do, and
(08:53):
we're going to show everybody that we're in control. Because
it makes no sense, but we're in control. And it's
not Can you imagine I can only imagine the uproar
on college Let's say Penn State and they're cutting a
programer is, they're raising tuition and they're they're arguing over
nickels and dimes and they're paying a guy fifty million
(09:14):
dollars that went out the door. In reality, if you
look at his record, oh yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He beat nobody. Who did he beat?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I mean, he beat a highest state one time when
they got a field goal block when Irban Meyer was
theyre going to win the game going away. He was
five and five against Michigan State had to have a
losing program against Michigan and they've not been world beaters
there for a while.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I mean, it's it's crazy, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I guess he was pretty good, good against Maryland and Rutgers.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's not what you're paying them for though. No, absolutely
so are you comfortable as a former coach even with
those facts, because those are facts, Are you comfortable with
him being dismissed?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, I wouldn't have done it right now like they
did it, you know. And I say that I know
the rationality. Oh let him go now, because then we're
first in line for the coach that we want.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I don't think it's fair to the players on that team,
I really don't. I mean, they signed it, you know,
they're they're they're trying their best. They don't want to
lose those games. But to have that season, especially for
the older guys, just turned upside down like that. The
other thing from a business dance. Every one of those
players can get into the portal right now, you know.
(10:40):
And I've always thought that, you know, maybe it'd be
better if you had a discussion coming down the wire
Pat Kraft, the a D or the president whatever, and say, James,
you know, not that you've done a terrible job here,
but unite up to our standards.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
The best thing for both of us.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Why don't you look for an opening you know, there
might be someone else that's looking for you.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know, you got a.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Pretty good overall record, but you know you haven't beaten
the guys we want you to beat. But maybe you
can leave and land in a different place and it
could be a win win for both of us. Now,
I don't know if that's unrealistic or not, but I
think that would be a better thing than all of
a sudden after a three game losing streak. Boy, he's
gone and it's an uproar, and you're not going to
(11:29):
hire a coach right now anyway. And now every coach
that might be interested that they have to face the
press in their market and tiptoe around are you interested
or not? And even if they come out and just
adamantly said there is no way I'm leaving here. You
can't believe it or not. And if the guy's tiptoe
(11:51):
and I heard my rule, tiptoe around. Oh, I was
born a Penn State fan. I was born with a
Penn State Chuir, Well, that doesn't sound like a hard note.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
They No, it does not, does it. He says his
wife decides where they live.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You know, there's a there's a lot of guys that
claim wives make decisions.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That's just decisions you don't want to take credit for.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Yeah, that's that's often.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
So is he going to do say I didn't want
to leave Husker fans, but my wife's making me leave.
Come on, I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
The Well, let me ask you, you know, because you
remember what happened with Penn State this year. They play
a very competitive game with Oregon, right, and they lose
an OT was a single O T or DOUBLET? I
don't remember, it's a double double OT. But you know
that's not a sin, right, It's a good, good, good ballgame.
And then they what they go to u c l
A and get killed early. They ended up making it
(12:44):
a relatively competitive game, but they didn't win. UCLA had
been winless to that point. Maybe they awakened the beast
because now u c l A. They you know, they
went to Michigan State and they dominated, and then they
come back home and they lose to Northwestern. So I'm
gonna use a crushing defeat in your history here to
try to ask these question. Well, because I'm trying to
make a point.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Can one game.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
For a good team if they lose a game that
they had every opportunity to win, and it's a big one.
Do you buy the notion that teams can unravel after
that that mentally it's just everybody says you got to
get over it, next game whatever, but that it can
have a significant impact. Because we were talking about the
(13:30):
Michigan game because the next week, well how much did
that take out of you? I guess that is what
I'm saying, because I think, then didn't you end up?
You get half the people from Michigan State for home
the next week and.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
You lost that game.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So is there such a thing as as much as
you try to coach players back up that something gets lost.
And I'm using it as for the example currently of
Penn State. What may have happened to them where you
start losing that stuff and you just can't get your
team back.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Well, let's well, first of all, losing to Oregon is
not with cost him his job. If he would have
beat UCLA and beaten Northwestern, he still be the coach
that right now.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Now people might be complaining, right right, but you all
of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Going down the road if he you know, if he
you know, if you won again, he kept winning these
teams he should and.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Let's say beat a high state.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Oh, you know, give him a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That that's the way it works.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
There is definitely a hangover effect in athletics. I really
believe that one way or another. If you play a game,
for your example of Michigan, you know where we played awfully, well,
we lost the game. You know, all of a sudden,
everybody's still told what if this?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
What if that? What you know?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I mean going into the next week. So if you
don't watch out two, one team can beat you twice
or the second thing, you may have a great victory
against you beat somebody you shouldn't beat. Yep, And and
then again it's Thursday and your girlfriend and the guys
in the dorm and mom and dad are still talking
(15:07):
about that great victory.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, that's not helping you win the next game.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Works both ways. Here's the text that came in earlier.
This is from Solid Blaine. We you ask Mace. In
all his years coaching, the Gophers had some very solid squads.
In today's playoff system in college football, what do you
believe was your best squad that you feel if there
had been a playoff like there is now, that your
team might have been dangerous.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
He's saying it would.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Have to be Marony Barber as the duo at running back.
But you know he's interested in your view if you've
ever given that any thought, or can give that any
thought right now.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, you know, I haven't coached in what I hate
to say it, I coached a long time, but I
haven't coached in a long time. A lot of those
teams just, you know, really go together.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
But you know, when we had.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Barber and Maroney and to Pay and we had an
awful good offensive line and seemed like we could control
the line of scrimmage offensively and move.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The ball on anybody.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And contrary to a lot of people think we weren't
from a one dimensional we threw the ball awful well.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think because of that ability. During that Pio still had.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Those guys that, even though we play some teams let's say,
had better talent, if they would play poor or make
a mistake turn the ball over once, I felt like
we could beat anybody. Now, obviously, we didn't play in
the college football playoff era, we didn't play in the
four team era, we didn't play in the twelve The
(16:46):
entire you know the whole emphasis, which is kind of
sad because I'm a traditionalist, was the rose ball that
was the fault, and not just for that, not just
for Minnesota, for every team in the Big Ten. That
was the cherry on top of the pie. Get to
the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I mentioned who's your hotline? I do have to talk
a little bit about the Hoosiers in this.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'll start it with this as your toss up, because
you and I talked about this a little bit off here,
and I thought you had an interesting answer. The paranoia
around there, I'm sure is well. Now everybody's going to
come after Signetti. One of the reports in Penn State
I heard was they want the Notre Dame coach, but
who knows? So, I mean, how concerned should Hoosier fans
be if you're counseling for some reason off the record,
(17:35):
the ad and the folks who run things that I
you on how to give yourself the best chance, And
I'd have to be paranoid about losing this guy, who
is you know, turned around one of the worst programs ever.
What's your counsel What is your advice to him? How
do you or to them? How do you get it
done well.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
First of all, I really don't think that Kurt Signetti,
at sixty four years old where he is, is looking
to leave Indiana right now. And if I was Indiana,
you have the conversation with him, say what you've done
is unbelievable. Now we want to do everything that we
(18:13):
possibly can to continue this. And I think if they
took that approach, I really don't think that he would leave.
You know, I think the only reason why he'd leave
they had success and all of a sudden he wants
something reasonable and.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They said they say, oh, no, we've never done that
here before. Well you have never won here before, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Don't give them that analogy, But that happens sometimes.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So I think that.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
The situation down there, and if they're really really smart,
because the collateral benefits of what's happening in football at Indiana,
you can't put a dollar and cent. They're sold out
the rest of the season. And the next thing you're
going to see is someone from omissions in US say that,
you know, we used to have fifty thousand applications, now
we have a one hundred thousand applications. We used to take,
(19:03):
you know, one and fifteen applicants. Now we're taking one
in three because everybody wants to go there because it's fun.
Not to mention the financial benefits of every guy that
owns a bar, or a restaurant or a motel. They're
probably parking cars in those lots right across the street for.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Who knows how much money. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
How come Why is it so difficult for the academics
at a school who you know, despise the whole concept
of sports and lack of proportion.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
And we emphasize this too much.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
How is it they can't be persuaded that on a
practical level you can hold your nose the whole time.
But practically speaking, most of what you say has been
proven time and time again as being true.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
So why doesn't some people like it? Why don't think
it's human nature? It's called jealousy and jealousy? Okay, really is?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I had a guy when I was at the you
one time college professor.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, first of all, I was on this committee. This
is great.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I was on this command I forget for why whether
they put me on a committee. And I was doing
one of my contract negotiations and I came in and
the chair said before he gets started, he looked at
me and he said, how much money do you want?
And I said, oh, I don't want money. He said
what do you want? And I said, I want tenure
like you. It was never brought up again, but during
(20:30):
the same course, the guy says, you know, how come
every time when I go home at night, I turn
on the TV. I see you getting interviewed about something.
You said, you think I want that?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Do you think I want to go on with these
jokers and ask these ridiculous answer these ridiculous questions. No,
what I'm saying is they're thinking that what they do
is really really important to them. It is it is
it absolutely is important. The problem is the general public.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
They're not going to look at this. I'll give you
another one. When I was at who was the professor?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Do you remember? No?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I do, But I'm like, is he still there?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I don't think he's.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Still bring it, to be honest, But.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
When I was at Ohio State, the alumni association would
always uh want the coaches to go out to these
alumni groups all around the country. And I think that
the head football and basketball coach used to give him,
you know, I don't know, four or five appearances a year.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And then.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
The alumni director he always hit me and a couple
other guys up, you know, a couple of them when
he told me one time they kept records at tenants
at alumni meetings. Okay, for Ohio State now here it
was the top draw drawer draw was the head football coach.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
The next top draw was the head basketball coach. Okay,
the next.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Was assistant football, an assistant basketball, and the band directors.
You know, it was six the president of the university. Well,
I'm not saying that's right, but a lot of people
have a promise. So all of a sudden, the guy
that's the assistant professor of history and he.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Has to go there, what chance does he have?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Not much?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
And it's not being endorsing.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm not trying to make fun of it, but I'm
saying people don't have an interest in that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Guardsy watch the Have we had any controversial speakers at
the Dunkers? Yeah, we had those controversies when we were
bring back Cherry Kerr.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Had any dunk controversies? Is I think it's I think
we set them straight.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, you you've spoken Dunkers A bunch shot, yeah, a
lot lately.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, no, they're forgetting too long. Well, I tell you
a story.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
So a couple of years ago, am I going to
mention that guy?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Come on, I'm not like you. I hold people under
the bus all the.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Time, all the time.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But anyway, I had.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
A guy, one of the guys there, said, hey, would
you come and speak at the Dunkers.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
You know people you talk talked a lot. A lot
of the older guys really like you.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Why don't you come back in a perspective, I said, yeah,
I'll do it. So anyway, I gave him a date
and then he called me back and he said, oh,
he says, I'm gonna have to cancel you out.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
And I said, oh really okay.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
He says, I got somebody better, but I'll try to
fit you in next year.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, so I have an ego, I thought, you do. No,
I'm that's it. I'm done.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So that's what'd you name him?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That doesn't he doesn't even deserve protection When he said
something like that, well, who did they get that's better?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Do you remember Jerry Hill knows Jerry kill.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
They don't even have the Dunkers downtown anymore do they know?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
It's I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
All right, I'll give you one more. Uh, who's your
hotline question? How do you?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I mean, you know all the.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Numbers right on the degree to which I mean, I
think that's the first time they've ever beaten a team
in the road.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's a that was a top five ranked team. They're
ranked third in the country, highest ranking they've ever had.
I was reminded they were fourth most recently twice in
sixty seven, the year they shared with the Gophers the
Big Ten title, but they got to go. They played
oj in fact, in the in the in the Rose Bowl.
They're they're one of the worst programs to sit, you know,
(24:27):
in terms of wins losses ever at a big school,
so to speak. So how does it? How does one
we know kind of what happened last year? You could
say some of it was really was scheduled, but then
they just also were really good at killing people they
were supposed to beat. But he's built on it. So
how does that? How do you explain it? As a
former coach? What do you see?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's it's for me, it's hard for me to imagine it.
And I say this because when you look at Indy,
I would have to venture to say that during the
course of their whole pro they probably averaged less than
four wins a year. I'm guessing. I think I'm pretty close, okay.
(25:08):
And then now they had some moments of glory, but
not many. But then for Signetti to come in that
quick to make them that good like they were last year,
and then back it up this year. Now I know
things are a little bit different because of the transfer
portal and guys being immediately eligible and no limitations on
(25:33):
how many new guys you have in the year, you know,
which is a foreign to anything I knew, because you
always had a limit of new guys you could bring
in your program twenty five because no one wanted, you
know that. All the people in control said, if we
didn't have those controls, you'd run guys off, which is terrible.
We can't have that in college athletics. Well, now they
(25:54):
want run off. So if you if you if you
bring a new guy in and the team's bad, which
means they don't have a good talent, get rid of
them all. And if you can get guys that come
from the program you came from, or stealing from another program.
You have a chance if you're doing the right thing
and you're smart in organized enough to get better faster now.
(26:16):
Then after you do that, the challenge is to keep them,
you know. Just like, who's a better quarterback than they
got down there? And he's a young guy. Yeah, Mendoza's that's.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
His name, Mendoza. Yeah, yeah, he's really good.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You know. I bet you you better be putting up
the arm guard because somebody might be it has a
big bank roll. We go in here talking to him
about leaving and coming to their place.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'm looking for example, you go even back to the
Donardo era. You're guy, a good coach, big ten. So
this is two thousand and two in Indiana, three straight
seasons of one and seven, the next year one and seven,
two thousand and eight, three straight seasons of one and
seven starting then twenty eleven, zero and eight, two and six,
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three and five, one and seven, two and six, two
and seven, two and seven. Tom Allen had a couple
of good years, yep. Then he goes back to zero
and nine, two and seven and one in eight. So
the three years before Signetti gets here or gets the
Indiana I guess I should say their Big ten record
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is three and twenty four. That's what he's turned around.
Last year he was eight and one. You Tom Allen
had that good year he did. Yeah, and they signed
him to a big contract.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's true. And he went the.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Other one with your thinking of you're trying to commit
to him.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, And I'm sure that the naysayers when Signetti came
in last year and that year and they did whatever
they did, I think they really stepped up, keeping his
defensive coordinator and whatever they did for him, there were
some people say, yeah, we've done this before. Let's look out.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Here's a tech that you might want to react to.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
You.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I think guards you might enjoy it as well.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Dan, It's amazing how if you have a good coach
like Signetti and a sugar daddy like Mark Cuban, your
program can quickly leap into the top ten. I think
Fleck could get us there if the you could find
a sugar daddy that could have been t Denny Sandford,
if mother Maturi hadn't screwed that up.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
He's right in a comment, He's right about a lot
of that.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I don't think it was just material that wasn't no
subt he shouldn't say that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I don't defend myself a lot, but it wasn't me.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You can write that one down.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Big shot boosters have always been a part of this,
as you know. But I do feel like now more
than ever, you need a billionaire. You know, cubans a
billion You need a billionaire, not a millionaire. You need
a billionaire on your side.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Wait a minute, a billionaire that's interested enough.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Yes, that's fanatic enough.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Crazy enough to put his money where his mouth he bite,
the guy takes his tay anyway, he's a billionaire and
he's i think the head of the board of trustees.
So whatever he says is gonna go down there. And
that's basically what they've done. But you're right, but there's
a lot of people with a lot of money that
(29:11):
have no interest in.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Putting the money.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's that's true. It's got to be both. They got
to have the money and they got to have the interest.
You're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean you look at this town. There's a
lot of people with a lot of money, right, Yeah.
I mean, all of a sudden, I'll just say, and
I'm gonna say the Let's say if the McMillan cargo family,
you got more money those guys, if they said, you
know what, okay, open up the cast, that would be
a ball mark for them.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
There's no question they're too busy buying. Weren't they buying
up to loose? They were buying up to loose. But
they I think they've stopped. They stopped doing that.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, we'll never know what their plans were.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
In fairness, I should mention for accuracy sake, Cuban, because
we talked about this the other day. Cuban has not
invested that much until now. He just said he hasn't
jumped on the bandwag. He's jumping on the bandwagon. And
but you know what, if you're a coach, you'll take
it right. You're not gonna buy. You're not gonna mock
him for jumping on the bandwagon. If he's writing a
check for five million bucks every year.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Right, why what do you care?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yea, what do you care? You just take advantage of
the of the of the whole day.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I'd look at it and say, well, he would have
gone in here before, if I would have been here before.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
We've got a question.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
A lot of good questions coming in for you, Mace,
including this individuals seven to one guy, did Mace catch
any of Iowa's shutout of Wisconsin?
Speaker 6 (30:26):
And speaking of you know coaches.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Anyway, I know where it is, you know better than most.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Absolutely watched the game with that.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah. I probably had a beer with the guy.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I mean, can it get worse than it is in Madison?
Speaker 4 (30:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I you know, I was shocked. I mean I've said
it before.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Luke Fickle I thought when they hired him in a
sense and I thought he was a home run. And man,
it's going to be a struggle turning around. It's going
from bad to worse. And for I to score thirty
seven points, is that right.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Down the zip? Now?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Usually maybe because at times they you know, the Eyewa defense,
but thirty seven points. Iowa can't score thirty seven points
on air, you know what I mean? That's there must
be And I don't know if they've got injuries.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I don't know what the problem is.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Uh, But there's gotta be a lot a lot of
unhappy campers over there. And you'd have to think, uh,
I guess the good side of big buyouts.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
If it didn't have a big buyout he probably gone.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
All right, let's talk some Gophers Purdue, and then they're
preparing for a big game Friday night here on national
TV against the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Mace in your face continues,
(31:58):
Mace in your illustrious coaching career, did you ever bring
your players together during a game, or let's say, at halftime,
to say, guys, they are begging us to win this game.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
We are going to regret it for the.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Rest of our lives if we do not take advantage
of the opportunity they offer. Because to me, that's basically
what PJ. Flex should have said at some point in
that game when they're playing the Purdue boil Makers.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I don't know if I used exactly you know, those terms.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I feel a little melodramatic.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, but I mean there have been times that, you know,
you get in there and you say, hey, fellas.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
This game want to be over already.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know, you know, three times in the red zone
and we end up trying three field goals and we
missed one, and the other time we're going and we
fumbled the ball. We're a lot better than they are.
They're not very good. You look at them. We should
be running away with this game.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
That's that was my impression of Gophers Purdue.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
What did I don't know how much of it you
got to see, you know, because you said you tried
to find it.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I couldn't. I couldn't. I was up and far and
it was on the Big ten network.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
And the electronic devices that were afforded to me.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It wasn't on there.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
I could network was not included.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
No, it wasn't on there. Just terrible.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, Well, Guardian and I talked about this. Vikings run
defense has been awful this year. Gophers run defense similarly
awful this year. What what's that about? I mean, generally speaking,
is it always?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
You just not stout enough of the line of scrip.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
No, that's where it starts, you know, the old the
old saying about you know that the first thing you
had to do is you got to control the line
of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
You had to win up for you.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And as I remind yards you all the time, that
figures lie and liars figure. So not being able to
watch that game, you look at the stats, which you know,
you know can be misleading. But the thing that jumped
up to me, the thing that you're talking about, and.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
This has been a recurring thing for the Golphers.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
From my advantage point, they have trouble running the football.
I think they ran the ball for thirty yards.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Is that accurate? Caards? Thirty yards?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
And then on the flip side Purdue, I think they
rushed for two hundred and fifty yards or more. You know,
I mean to me, there's something at a balance. And
you remember a week ago we were talking about the
Gophers against the highest state and I talked about mismatch
of talent.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Everybody could see that, let's face it.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
But I said the offensive line, you know, for the
most part against a very good defensive line of Ohio State,
I thought they pass protected pretty darn well. But in
the run game they got manhandled. Watching I'm watching that
part of it, and I'm you know, I'm an old
offensive line card. You get knocked backwards, that happens, you
can't run the football. So I don't know if that's
(35:08):
the only answer. But when you have the point of
the Gophers and the Vikings, you know, you talk about
when we had the running really good running backs, well
we had awful good linemen. And when need to start
talking about Esslinger and I can't get this. I can't
get him in the Hall of Fame guards. I don't
(35:28):
know if I ever told you that, but never they
on the Outland Trophy. But uh, we had him and
those other guys that we had, not just him, but
we had five guys that, you know, could really Mark Setterstrom.
I mean, he is as good as you know. He
got overshadowed marked it because how good Eslinger was. But
sometimes those guys had run through the line. Everybody but cheering.
(35:51):
I think, heck, I gotta ran through there, you know
what I'm saying. And so that was the perfect storm
wire running attack was so could.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
We have guys could really and we had guys that
knew what to do with it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Speaking of we, I got head guards to get some
sound I want you to listen to from speaking of Signetti.
This is I don't know what network this was on.
It's on Joel Klatt's podcast, Joel Klatz podsca podcast because
the subject came up whether there's you know, there's too
many people who've been disrespectful of Indiana, including who's the
(36:22):
SEC guy who's not going to run for Senate Paul
Feinbaum continues to hammer Indiana and at least the coach
listen to the theory offered up here. I want to
get your reaction to it, if you think there's anything
to it, or you think Signetti is being like many
coaches tend to be a little bit paranoid.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
When he says this, Let's listen and let's face it.
You know, college athletics, college football has really changed a lot,
you know, in the last five ten to fifteen years,
and there's a division, there's no doubt about it in
the media, and a lot of it's tied into whatever
TV network is covering which conference, and then you're going
(36:59):
to have sports writers that support those schools and are
against the other schools. So there is definitely a great divide.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
He's basically saying, if you have an se pro sec
bias because your network is doing more of their games,
that's why you tend to minimize success, for example, by
Indiana and the Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
You think he's anything to that, or you think he's
being a little paranoid.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
No, I think there's something to it. I can only
speak from personal experience. You know, when I was with
the Big Ten network, and I think you'd have a
hard time going back and saying, oh, he's pulling for Minnesota,
he's pulling for a highest state. No, I pulled for
the Big Ten. And I'd get a little defensive sometimes
(37:44):
when Yeah, back in those days when said, oh, SEC,
you know, any team in the SEC could win the
Big Ten, and said, well, wait a minute, that's you
know that's not true. Now, you know, I don't know
Paul Feinbaum. He's got all the Who did he play
for anyway?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
That guy? Huh huh. I think he played for Indiana.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
Could have in the old days, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And he's he's in a run for he's thinking about
running for South I don't know if that's fishing.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
You don't think we got problems in the government? Huh?
You might get maybe I had to do that.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
What do you think we've talked about that before?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
We had you Wise at a mayor. You didn't want
to do it and want to Yeah, we we would
have started the campaign. Yeah, I didn't live in Wise,
that though, that was the That was the well.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's never stopped many people from running for various offices.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
That's for sure. Uh six one two guy right right?
How can Pja recruit.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
When even a millionaire in Fargo can't get the Gophers
on TV.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Pretty good point. Who was me, Yeah, you're the millionaire,
of course, Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Well that's it. That's I guess that's a little bit
of problem.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You know. One thing I saw, and I don't know
if this was a glitch or whatever, but I was
I was watching one of the games that was on.
I want to say it was on AB seed Man,
I might be wrong, And who have been on ABC?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It would have been Alabama or something.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Uh. And I was watching the game and it's coming
right down to the end, you know what I mean,
And it went through the over the time period for
the North Dakota state and that was going to be
on there.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
They flipped it right over, they did, I mean right.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Over, not even not even a.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Boom. I thought I inadvertently changed the channel.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No they didn't, well did. They must have moved it
maybe to one or the other. Maybe they moved to
ESPN four or something. I don't have the same as ABC.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I don't think they. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I forgot I think it was it might have been
one of those other channels. But I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Gophers have a big one Friday night. Yeah, they are
hosting the Nebraska Cornhuskers. What do you make of that matchup?
What do you make of the condition of both clubs
right now going into that game?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Well, I think it's a obviously on paper, it's a
big game. Nebraska, as we have said over the years,
is not really Nebraska. But here they're sitting five and one,
and now they're going to play at Friday. And I
think they played away last week too, didn't.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
They did that Maryland.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I think, well, that's tough to play away at Maryland.
They come back from away game and have to play
on a Friday night. But they agreed to it, I
guess to play Minnesota, and I'm sure in their camp
they're thinking, well, if we play well, we should win
this game to go to six and one.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know, which is.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Their ranked twenty fifth?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
I think, yeah, twenty fifth, so they haven't been ranked
a long time. But at the same time, if you're PJ.
Fleck and the Gophers, you're thinking, well, you know, uh,
you know, we lost the game that we really feel
bad about in California.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
You know, we played Buckeyes.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's okay, We probably won a game that you know,
last week we should have won bigger. But this game's
really important because we got to go to five and two.
We don't want to go to four and three. So
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
I I think it's probably going to come down to.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
You would think that Matt Rule would think telling his
defensive coordinator to date, these guys are one dimensional, you.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Know, and this quick.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
You know, I don't know what happened to the quarterback
because I couldn't see it, but statistically he was not
good last week. I was. I was raving about him
the week before, you know, And so give him protection.
You think he can pick you apart. So you better
be pretty good because we got to force these guys
to run the football and see if we can hold up.
(41:35):
And then on the other end of that, you know,
in the old days, I'm gonna say that Tom Osborne, Nebraska,
they'd have looked at the film of last week Purdue
and they would have said, if Purdue can rush the
ball for two hundred and fifty yards, we're talking about
five hundred. I mean, they would run the ball until
you wave the white flag. So I think it's a
(41:58):
I think it's an important game. I think it's a
defining game going forward for both very much.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
So.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
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Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah, that's that's that's not easy to do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I can't wait till you take us over there. I
really can't.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Well, we will do it. We'll do it. The problem
is you're not in town enough. Well, you're either in
Fargo or Florida.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be here for We'll be
here for a while.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
Yeah, all right, we'll make it work. Anything else before
we go.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Well, I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
There's you know, there's a there was a a couple
I think big games that we're talking about. Uh, you
talk about going from bad to worse. You know, Wisconsin plays.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
This now Oregon back to back.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Yeah, they just got out of the easy part of
their schedule.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
And then and then we talked about Iowa what they
did in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
You know they played this week Penn State. Penn State.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Now Iowa was sitting at four and two, so I'm
sure they're thinking about this game.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Oh man, this is just like the Gophers.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
There's an opportunity, you know, for us to go you know,
five and two and then let's not be remiss.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Usc and Notre Dame. Now, you know Notre Dame lost
their first two.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Games, but everybody out there, all these announcers, all their
college football playoff team, because they are going to run
the table. They lose this game, you can forget about it.
They're not going to get in the college football playoff
with three losses.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Some good matchups, all right, Well, good to see you.
You're going to be back here next week, Yes, upstanding,
no rumor, Thanks for coming in. Good to see as always, Kessler.
In about a half hour, our Top five.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Next, which will include you've talked about the zimmerization of
Kevin O'Connell. I'll give you the sabanization of Kevin O'Connell.
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