October 8, 2025 • 48 mins
Glen Mason is back in Fargo for another great hour of college football talk and legendary Mase in Your Face stories. Mase is really high on Gopher quarterback Drake Lindsay after watching him against Ohio State and has some good preview thoughts of the big games in the Big Ten this weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man, it's time for another edition of May in Your
Faith now, along with college Football Immortality.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Glenn Mason, Here's Dan Burrero. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Mace God, I don't even remember what he looks like.
Do you guard Sye? It's been so long. I looked
at his Wikipedia page. He looks like Jerry Kill. Has
anybody corrected that yet?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Is still up?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Then?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Come on, well it's We're just trying to bring it
to people's attention so it can be corrected, because I
don't think you look anything like Jerry Kill.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Nothing against Jerry Kill.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Mace's back and Fargo and that's where he joins us
if you have questions for him. Brat Sean Brian Cafe
in text line six four six eight six. That's six
four six eighty six. Mace, a question out of nowhere,
apropos of nothing. In the course of your long and
distinguished football career, first as a player, then as an
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assistant coach, then as a coordinator, then as a head coach,
did you ever have any time at all getting to
know herschel Walker.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, I really didn't. I know.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
When I was an assistant coach at Ohio State, we
tried to recruit me I wasn't the assistant doing it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We tried to recruit herschel Walker.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Earl Bruce was the head coach at that time, and
I remember him coming back and saying herschel Walker, what
a great player. He said, But I went to the
school and I went to his home and he said, coach,
why don't you ride with me? And he said, I
got in his transam and he was driving about ninety
miles an hour. You know, it was a heck of
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an experience. He said, we're not going.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
To get him.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And University of Georgia I was there for that freshman year.
I covered him for Vince Dooley, well, not the for
covered Vince Dooley for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Great guy
to deal with, by the way, Dooley I had it.
You think I always have bad relationships with coaches. I
had a wonderful working relationship with the late great Vince
Dooley at Georgia. And then again, they were undefeated that season,
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so that might have had something to do with it.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Well, being that he's late and he's great, I can't
verify if.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's true or not.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
So you can say everything that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You oh man, I figured you'd say that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I bring Herschel's name up because I'm wondering if now
that you have so much free time on your hand
or hands, I should say, whether you're in Fargo, whatever
you might be, would you ever consider taking a US
ambassadorship overseas? Because Herschel apparently is going to be our
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first ambassador to the Bahamas in quite some time. That
was announced either last night or earlier today. Could you
see yourself being a US ambassador?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Well, I just could imagine where they'd send me to
be an ambassador.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I'm not you know, the Bahamas.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I'd probably say yes, yes, because I'd say I'm not
too sure that that's pretty good job there.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, that's got to be a plumb assignment for him.
I think that's a I think that's a Donald J.
Trump reward for something I'm not I'm not sure, Uh, Coach.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Mason one of many you ever see the I mean,
it's it's kind of a payback support somebody either or
you know, publicly, and that's the payback you get, you know,
a pretty good duty. You might not be qualified for it,
but yeah, and that's just not with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
That's a long list of what's gone on forever.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Rush it's part of the deal. Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
But by the way, will you please ask Mace if
he ever he has ever had a quarterback controversy like
the Vikings are dealing with currently, or was Cupitot always
the guy?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Good callback to the Brian Cupada days.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, well, you know we I think we talked about
this a couple of weeks ago. Murmer I said, oh,
do we have a quarterback controversy now? Because of all
the publicity around JJ McCarthy, how great he is and
all this kind of stuff, and then he gets injured
again and he goes to the sideline, and and then
you have a guy come in and they win a
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few games or he plays decent, do you have a controversy?
And and I guess maybe you have a controversy anyway
with Sam Darnold going.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
To Seattle and the jury's still out on the car.
We haven't seen him yet. Not enough, yeah, not enough
to say, well, he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But do you have a I don't know, and an
overriding philosophy when it comes to this sort of situation
in which you know, we just had Kevin Severn and Studio.
Seaver's view on is he's played reasonably well under tough circumstances,
given you he was. He joined the team last week,
basically last week before the season began. But he doesn't
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think he's played so well that it's slammed dunk, it's
Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
The rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So what did you have kind of a coaching philosophy
on how you make these These are tough decisions to make,
man there, and sometimes you know, they're crucial decisions. They
can be coach killing decisions sometimes.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, you know, I used to talk about it all
the time. I kind of out.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Of a philosophy theo, if you have two quarterbacks and
you can't make up your mind which one's better, neither
one of them is good enough, so you might as
well just make one on one and the other guy
or two and move forward with it. Now, that may
or may not be true, because some of these talents
rich programs, especially in college, they might have a couple
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of guys that are good enough, fortunately or unfortunately, depending
how you look at it. And my situation in college
is every place I've been when I say, hey, coach,
it was you know, pretty clear cut and not that
we didn't have guys at that talent, but we didn't
have you know where we had two guys that would say, jeez,
I can't make up my mind.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
It was pretty clear cut for.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
US Hendo in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Reminds us Mace, you're already the US ambassador to North Dakota.
You've kind of proven that point the last month.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well that's good.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I guess I wouldn't mind being the ambassador to North Dakota.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
As long as they can live in Fargo, I'd be
real happy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Is there a big is there a lot of hatred?
I mean, I'm going to you now, because you're the expert.
Is there a lot of hatred between North Dakota and
South Dakota?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
You know, I'm not really sure the question I asked.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Just today, I said, is it a big rivalry between
North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And they said, you bet, yeah. And you know, I.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Guess one's real good in football and one's good, real
real good in hockey. So uh, it's a dividing light.
But there there is a competition there. I'm not sure about,
you know, states, I'm not really North Dakota and South Dakota.
I'm not privileged as yet, but I will ask around.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Uh seven to one five guy writes, I saw TikTok
where PJ said Greg greg Eslinger is the greatest Gopher
of all time?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Is that true?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Guardian?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Do you know if that's true?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Or is he just trying to.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Get Mace going?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I don't know. Yeah, how about that PJ is standing
tall for your guy?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
If it's true, If it's true that he said that,
PJ put his name up on the stadium. Come on,
what are we waiting for. I'm tired of talking about that.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Did you get to watch any or all of the
Gophers debacle in Columbus against the Buckoups.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I wouldn't call it a debacle, but I okay, I
watched the game, and I've and I've got some uh thoughts. Okay,
you know, first of all, let me just talk about
the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Drake Lindsay. I am really really impressed with that.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean not just the first drive, but as I
was sitting there watching that game, and if you remember
when I was coaching, I used to challenge my coaches
all the time, you know, get back to a playground mentality.
As far as evaluation of players, so you're down there
and you're choosing upsides, okay, and you get the first pick.
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And I'm just telling you, if I had the first pick,
would I take Drake Lindsey or would I take the
High State quarterback?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I'm taking Drake Lindsay. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I was controversial, and no it's not.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
It's not at all.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Only if you want to make a controversial when I'm
saying what I was thinking. If I looked at Drake
Lindsey and could have put him in a scarlet and
gray uniform with all the weapons that they have, how
could you think he'd be I mean, be spectacs. Those
wide receivers at a high State they should be playing
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
They were already.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
And you know, I'm not saying that that the Gopher
offensive line didn't do a good job of protecting him,
but there's no running attack. And when you become one dimensional,
which they are right now, and I think not just
that week, but week in and week out the Gophers are,
they're really struggling to run the ball. And if you
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play a defense like a High State in your one
dimensional man.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
You have got problems.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Okay, I think the offensive line for The Gophers did
a pretty good job pass protecting for him, but man
in their run game, they got manhandled.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You go back and.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Watch that film if you watch it closely, their number
of times that defensive line for a high State playing
on the Gophers side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Really they got man hill in the running game.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Now, defensively, and you know, at that's a handful trying
to defend that offense. But how you think you could
play man coverage against those wide receivers. That' pobre one
quarterback number fourteen, I think that's his number.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Come on now, I.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Mean that guy's gonna not only gonna be in the NFL,
he's going to be a star in the NFL. I
couldn't believe how big that wide receiver he's He's two
hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Do you believe that way he runs? But you're you're.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Looking at a team, let's say a good High State
team playing again, I mean a good Minnesota team playing
against a highest seed team that might just be a
great Ohio State team. They have talent every which way.
And you know you're talking about the number of players
that Ohio State lost off of last year's defense with
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all four guys off the defensive line. Now in the NFL,
if that's true, how many teams can do that? I
mean it's you're comparing apples and oranges.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, it sounds like you're not willing to give the
buck Geys much credit. I mean, you're making it sound
like what else can they be?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But great? With all the talent they have.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Number one in the country. Well, you know, you know,
I mean when you look at it, I don't know.
And again, the quarterback for High State played pretty darn good.
Ye I think he was twenty four of twenty eight
three hundred and forty one yards. I mean, that's that's,
you know, pretty darn impressive. But I'm saying that Drake lindsay,
I'd like this scene him.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, No, I like him now he would have There's
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, I would say in fairnet, the High of
State offense has been all over the map this year
that they haven't been dominant every They scored fourteen seventy
against Grambling, Okay, thirty seven against Ohio, twenty four against
Washington there and forty two against the Gophers.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
To me, the defense is the story.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I mean they've they've they haven't even given up double
digits yet, man seven zero nine six, and that that
opening field goal drive against Minnesota. That's it for the
entire season. That is all they've given up defensively.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You know, they haven't given up a touchdown in the
red zone. You know, you know Dargut now.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
In saying that, do you think that Jim Knowles, the
defensive coordinator of Penn State, scratching his head, saying maybe
I shouldn't have left the buck eyes or even because
he didn't get fired. I mean, he got out of
good graces after it was looked like he was talking
to Penn State, and Ryan Day said, yeah, you're talking
to them, then you're out of here.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But defense is the story right now. Then that and the.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Wide receivers they're running attack at the High State's not
very impressive, but those wide receivers are impressive.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Let me ask you a philosophica, another philosophical coaches question. Okay,
the Gophers face. Let me see, if I go, they
face a looks.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Like fourth.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And ten, Yeah, fourth and ten from the Ohio State.
Is it twenty three yard line at which point down
thirty five to three in the fourth quarter they try
a field goal from fourth and ten at the Ohio
State twenty three Madness or sensible? Would you have tried
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a field goal in that same situation?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
What would you have done? I'm just kind of curious.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm going for it. Yeah, yeah, what are the points mean?
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You get to the place where you start saying, you know,
what's three points going to do for you?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, you know, make something happen. You know, I've seen
it all over the park sometimes as a as a coach.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I know I've been there.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Even in a worse situation, you say, well, it's fourth
and seven off the twenty your own twenty five yard line,
why should you punt?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You might as well throw and go for What's the
difference if you get beat?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
What's the difference if you get be forty two to
three or forty eight to three or fifty eight to three.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know, just keep going. Maybe maybe you'll get lucky.
I don't you know.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
At that point, I guess the way that you're going,
and you think, you know, okay, I can go for it.
But what's the percentage that I'm going to have a
chance doing against this defense?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I mean, you got to use a little sentity and
then you know, if you if you go for it
and don't get it, now there High State just gets
that more ecstatic if you if you kick the field
goal and you make it, you feel like okay, and
everybody's running off the sideline and you're high fighting your
own guys.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Are James Franklin's days numbered in State College?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And should they? Should they be?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I think the only reason they're not, I think is
buy outs.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Fifty six million dollars, you know, I think if I
think if it wasn't fifty six million dollars, if it
was only six million dollars to be it be gone.
But this goes back to the thing I'm going to
talk about before. And it sounds like I'm been grudging
with coaches are making now.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
But whoever is.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Making these decisions, these ads or whatever, with these buyouts,
they've lost their mind?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I mean, I thought we we saw the worst, the
worst one Jimbo Fisher, hexas A and m I think
he had like a seventy eight million dollar buyout, and
I thought, well, the repercussions from that. You've seen the
end of that but it's not, it's crazy. It just
keeps going. And I can just tell you this that
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these guys that do it for a heck of a
lot less. I can tell you that, I really believe,
you know, if you're if you're made of the right things.
And I've said before, there's only two kinds of coaches.
There's guys that loves coaching, and there's guys that love
being the coach and what they're getting paid. Now, there's
a lot of guys just love being the cahch.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I can tell you that. Yeah, but fifty six million.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's I didn't realize that. That's stunning.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
What was the biggest buyout you ever had in any
one of your contracts?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you remember?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, from University of Minnesota. And I don't know who
made the decision, but they signed me to a new
five year contract and then fired me after one year's
and then.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
They had to pay me. Who would have done that
because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
You know, it's easy to do things when you're paying
people and it's not your money. Yeah, it's university money,
it's taxpayer money, it's I don't know what kind of
money it is, but you know, whatever it is. But
I can tell you I didn't get any fifty six
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I didn't get any forty six.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I didn't get any thirty six, I get any twenty six,
I didn't get any sixteen.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I didn't get six. Now I'm not biggrudging when I
got paid.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Yeah, it was insanity that they they signed me to
a contract and I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
We went to a.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Bowl game, lost it over time and they fired me.
So but you know, like I said, they you know
they had a tight end coach available at the Broncos,
So go get them.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You know, right now, do you ever do you ever
you start?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Do you ever say to yourself, Man, I was born
too soon, you know, like if you'd been born like
twenty five years later, think of the money you'd have.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Well, and if I had ever been born earlier, I
wouldn't have got what I got.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
You know that's true.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
You know the thing about now guys that are in
coaching college coaching, assistant coaches. I mean, I you know,
I didn't make any money as an assistant coach. I
really didn't. I mean, you were poor. And then when
I first got in to be a head coach. I
mean I took a pay cut to leave Ohio State
to go to Kent State. Uh, and I really didn't
make any you know, a big money. I mean I
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made good money when I first came to Minnesota. Then
it really became good. But a couple of years after that, man,
it went through the roof.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
By the way guards the or Mace. Do we know
what the Bill Belichick buyout is? I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Bad, Mace. It's really bad right now? Is it?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You know, salvageable?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Because I've heard some people say, look, he inherited a
mess He's got one hundred new players and whatever's going
to happen, It wasn't realistically going to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
In a year.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Hell, you came here and inherited a huge disaster. I
mean you were literally starting over.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So I don't know. I mean, what do we make
of what's going on with Belichick?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It ain't good, I can tell you that. And you
know the thing about it is, it's messy. You know,
there's a reason why they fired Mac Brown. Okay, they
weren't getting what they wanted to buy a new hope,
and they bought a lot of hope. And Bill Belichick.
But hiring Bill Belichick, you would have thought they would
at least been the same.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Or maybe a little bit better.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
No one expected them to win the conference and get
to the College Football Play Play up the first year.
But it looks like a disaster. And what they ought
to say is who made this decision? Who came up
with this idea? Was it the ad? Was it the president?
Was it some alump? I mean I always think that
you got to go to that is who's making those decisions?
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You know, you know, no one hires himself. No one
fires himself. So someone's got to make in those decisions,
and their feet should be held to the fire.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I got let's take a bottom of the hour pause.
I got some good Belichick dirt too, not dirt so
much as intel, a little more detail on what's going
on there. Right now, we'll get to we got a preview,
well we'll give a moment or two to Gophers Purdue,
but we have to preview the Hoosiers. This is kind
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of their tail game right in Oregon against the Ducks.
So we'll get to that and whatever else is stuck
in Mace's kraw when we contend Mace in your face
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back with us dateline far ago. I'm looking mace at
a New York Post piece under the head excuse me,
headline UNC exploring potential Bill Belichick exit strategy as weird
rumors surface. The school has reportedly had preliminary conversations about
firing the legendary football coaches five games into the new era.
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His buyout is twenty million dollars for the record. The
story goes on to say that Belichick himself may be
looking for and out. College football journalist Ali Conley reported
that Belichick has discussed buyout options with North Caro North
Carolina's hierarchy, and he has signaled a willingness to trigger
his own one million dollar buyout if he can find
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a soft landing with another team or in media. The
reporter adds that Belichick has reportedly been quote weird and
distant with his staff, and some coaches were unable to
get a hold of him during the teams by week.
I don't know what it's just. It obviously has just
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not gone anywhere near as well as anybody could have hoped.
They were beaten by Clemson thirty eight to ten on Saturday.
That was at Chapel Hill, and you know, Guardian our
time about this. I think yesterday that or somebody brought
it up that you know, Drake May went to the UNC.
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He has a really nice signature game. They knock off Buffalo,
the Buffalo Bills on National TV. And apparently several folks
have you know, pretty much confirmed that.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
The Belichick warning was, we're not we we do.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Not We're not going to send out anything about what
Drake May did, even though he went to school here
because he plays for New England. And Belichick has said
before how he feels about acknowledging that organization at all.
I you know, it was with Louie we were talking
about with Louis LOUI was in studio yesterday and Louis said,
you know, you'd like to think as you get older,
you you become a little less bitter, or you become
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a little bit more philosophical and you let, you know,
you let go of some things. But it feels like
Belichick in some ways is kind of his own worst
enemy here.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
What do you think, Well, I don't know if that's
you know, true or not.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I know that he didn't let the New England Patriots
on their campus yes because he said he wasn't felt
welcome on their campus, and then Vrabel came out they
coach Patriot. That's not true. He's welcome here any time.
I would have to think that. I have a hard
time believing that. I think that Bill Belichick has more
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bigger fish to fry than worry about what Drake May
has done.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean, he's getting his head handed to him right now.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
As far as those other rumors, you know, it's hard
for I think a lot of people that think, well,
would Belichick want to bow out after one season or
even right now? And you think no, But you know,
let's not forget when Lou Hols left n C State
and went to the Jets, and all of a sudden
he realized this is not what I thought it was
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going to be. Maybe I've been off more than can chew.
And he left, you know, and he went to Arkansas.
So I think everybody was surprised when he did that,
to walk away from the New York Jets job in
the NFL after I'm not even sure it was one year.
I know it was not more than one year, So
who knows what's going on. I mean, he's just like
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Lou Hols didn't have a background in pro football. Bill
Jack has a big background in football, but not college football, No,
not at all, and he might think, oh, this is
a lot different than I thought it would be.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
All right, Indiana off to a terrific start again this year,
very soft non conference schedule, but they in the Big
Ten have been good to very good. They destroyed Illinois,
they found the proverbial way to win on the road
against Iowa on an afternoon where they didn't play great,
but they did, you know, indeed get the victory. They
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get the week off, and now they prepare for what's
Oregon ranked? Is it six, five or six? I can't remember.
They're ranked pretty high and they're good and it's there.
So I mean, if you were let me put it
this way, if you were in Signetti's shoes, do you
do you have if you're being fair, do you have to.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Look at this?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Is this as well as games man? If whether it's
fair to us or not, we're still not totally taken
seriously at the top level because when we played really
good t games last year, what Ohio State regular season,
Notre Dame in the postseason, we didn't fare very well.
We were not particularly competitive, and sooner or later, that's
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what we got to do. We got to go to
a place like Oregon and we have to win the
damn game. Is that fair for for Do you think
that's what even Signetti has to think right now? If
he's if he if he wants to really be genuine.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Oh, I think so, you know, I I think that
Signetti Coachingnetti's done a good job of putting a chip
on the shoulders of I think he had a chip
on his shoulders anyway for him, yes, but for his
players and his program to say, no one really respects
in the end. We've even talked about that. You know,
was last year as great as it was for them?
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Was it a one off? H And he's kind of
backed it up so far. You know this year, he's
he's done a good job, and a lot of people,
maybe me included, we're waiting for that other shoe to
fall and say, you know what, he's made him good.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
But they're not that good.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know, they're they shouldn't be in the conversation of
being the college football playoff two years in a row.
If he goes out there and plays and beats him,
then we're all saying, hey, you know what, they're really legit,
let's get off, let's get on the back. If he
goes out there, it makes the game close and still
Lou yes, they're a lot better. But if he goes
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out there and tammis, yeah, he gets beat by twenty
five or thirty points, then we say, well, yeah, they're
not the old Indiana, but they're sure not the new Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I think the latest ratings, I see Oregans three and
the Indiana's seven. I don't remember the last time. I
don't even know if Indiana has ever been ranked as
high as number seven in the country. So and that's
a two thirty. I think that's a two thirty game.
And that I think he said. I think he nailed it.
I think that's fair. I mean, you don't believe in
moral victories, but there's a difference between, as you say,
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losing by twenty seven really never being in the game,
and let's say losing by three or even six for
a game that goes down to the wire, that gets
into the U in the fourth quarter. And believe me,
I think look for a lot of schools, I think
they should root for what Indiana represents right, because it's
a place that's been awful in football, as you know,
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with rare exception, and I think programs like that are
all looking for hope, right, the idea that it's not
always the blue bloods that that you know, that are
ranked that high or ranked in the top ten with
a chance to be something, you know, to have a
significant season.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yeah, I think you're right on one count. And one
thing you're not looking at is there's a lot of
programs out there. Let's say, if Indiana gets the college
football playoff again, there's a lot of programs that are
going to tell their coach, Hey, if Indiana can do it,
I can't wait exactly. Yeah, why aren't you there? You
know they're you know, we used to be ahead of Indiana.
You know what's going on to me in this game?
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I really think the challenge is for Indiana's defense against
Oregons off what I've seen against Indiana's offense. That quarterback
what's his name, Mendoza? Correct, he's good, now, I mean
he's really good. It looks like they can as long
as they can protect and they can move the ball
on just about anybody. Now, can their defense hold up
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against our offense, and they're playing in a really, really
tough place at awesome Stadium is as loud as it
gets their wild out there.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
They love their ducks. It'll be a big challenge for Indiana.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'm looking at I let me call it up here
real quick. The you know, we've spent a lot of
time in this show talking about the Viking schedule. The
feeling was the first five games was relatively favorable and
that you almost need to like go four and one
or five and zero to sort of give yourself a
little breathing room. Now that you get after the bye,
this middle section, that's a lot of really good teams.
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Now again the Ravens have struggled, although right now they
don't have their quarterback. Presumably by then they would have
their quarterback. And you know, contrary to that, for the Gophers,
it's like, well, this is now that you're past Ohio State,
this is the stretch where you kind of got to
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get fat, you know, and it starts with hosting Purdue
for homecoming on Saturday. Then you've got Nebraska here, you're
at Iowa, and you've got Michigan State here before you
have to go to Salem. Guards he has to go
to Salem on the fourteenth of November to face Oregon.
So to me, that's the challenge here, right, is these
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are all games.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
What are you talking about? Salem?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You mean, Eugene, Eugene. I don't why I keep saying Salem, Yeah, Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
For some reason, I got Salem on the brain. I
don't know why to get too.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I thought maybe that's what the salad bar was for guards.
I wasn't really sure.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, maybe it is. It's possible. Salad bar. Yeah, salad bar.
Are you sure you mean the salad.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Bar, the Salem salad bar. You never heard of it?
Oh no, it's big time time.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But to my point this is there's an opportunity here,
right if you play to the level that you think
you are, you got a chance to fatten up the
record a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Well, I think it goes back to the big picture
that when you're a place like a so maybe any program, uh,
make sure you win the games that you're capable of winning,
especially playing at home. Yes, and then finger keep your
fingers crossed that you'll beat somebody that you really shouldn't
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be able to beat.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It's an upset for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
You know, you play really well, they play average, or
they have turnovers or wherever. And if you beat the
teams that you're supposed to beat and then beat one
team that you're not supposed to beat, man you have
a great year.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, that's all true. Let's get one more.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
And you're talking about the Gophers should be Purdue, right, Yes,
they are a big If they play well, don't turn
the ball all over, they'll win win that game.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Nebraska.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Everybody keeps holding their bread for Nebraska to beat Nebraska.
I don't think it's this year again, I can tell
you that. Uh. And then you know, it seems like
Iowa is you know, they're even down there at Kinnick Stadium.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
They're very vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
And then Michigan State, I see where there's rumors some
of their fans want coach Smith already bought out of
his contract.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
It's infanity.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, it probably is. By the way, was there bad
blood between you and Joe Tiller back in the day.
Was Joe Tiller the guy you coached?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Not at all? You got a lie. I really liked
Joe Tiller. Joe Tiller was a great football coach.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
He was and he went in there and uh, you
know to think that you know, he kind of I'm
not saying they fired him, but he kind of bowed out.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
They forgot how good they had with Joe Tiller. I
know that, Uh, conversations I had with him. He was
not really fond of Morgan Burke, his athletic talker.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, he used to tell me all the time, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
You know Morgan Burke was a produe graduate. He was
a letter winner, not in football. He was a swimmer,
I think, and some of the some of the things
that you know Joe thought that they should be able
to do. They butted heads on based on my conversations
with them. But no, I had great respect, you know
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for Joe Tiller.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Great coach did.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And wasn't he the head coach who presided over the
greatest swindle of your entire coaching career the game at
the at the Metrodome where they moved the ball like
ninety yards in six seconds for the field goal.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
He had nothing to do with it, but yeah, it's
a you know, we took over and they I forget
how many seconds they have, but the first down they
had the legal procedure and they got penalized, and it
was like, I don't know, seven seconds on the clock
and this would be the last play of the game.
And I dropped back and they threw the ball to
midfield and they caught it, but the game should have
been over. We tackled them. Uh and uh, you know,
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you check it out. The officials except for the referee,
they all turned around for the locker room. There was
one second left on the clock. And I'm not going
to mention the referee, but he told me privately, he said,
we couldn't believe it. Only at Minnesota, playing at home
would there be one second on the clock.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
So did you?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And my recollection is we've talked about this before that
that was the last game for that time timekeeper.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I'm not sure that's true. It would have it would
have been if I was in control, but I had
no power that should happened.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
No, I was there before. It was stunning.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, well that's that's the way it is. I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I went back and I used to stop watch. There
actually should have been two seconds left. So the person
did make a mistake, but not the way that you thought.
They got it off so easily to midfield there should
have been doing this.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
All it's going to do is extend the segment. Hey,
you're right, we got a break, no problem, Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Man, Mace handling that with unusual a plumb All right,
let's break. We'll get to whatever else is on your
mind in our final segment for today's show. Kessler is
in studio or will be at about five point thirty.
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Mace in your face back with us for a final segment,
at least for this week. Question from Todd via the
Bratcheawn Brian Kfean text line, who did Mace have the
baddest blood with when he was coaching?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Oh? Boy?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Well, before I answer that, though, you brought up Joe Tiller. Yeah,
I was sitting at the break. Let me tell you
a little story. Ry my first year working for the
Big Tent Network had a game for due. So I
had a meeting scheduled with Joe Tiller in his office
on a Friday, and I got there in his secretary
he says, well, Joe, coach Tiller is running a little lately.
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Can I get you a cup of coffe? And I
said sure. He comes walking in about five minutes late
later in a T shirt and shorts with grants.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
All over his feet.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I don't you know where you've been, he says, I
mean cutting my laws, and I just I couldn't believe it,
you know, But that's what he was doing, is he's
cutting his own one. Probably the guy, uh that I had,
I got along with. I would say most guys, but
probably when I was at Kent State with Jerry Faust,
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we went head and head on some field exchange issues,
and uh it became really out in the public in
the medias. Uh you know, we had we had, we
had some words over no kidding.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, Well, Jerry fous get fired and got the job.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And he he came in and uh, I think he
thought he was still the head coach at noticame and.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
And I wasn't gonna take it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I love it. So he was like not giving you film.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You guys sort of do film exchanges as a courtesy,
and he was not going along with it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Was one of those deals.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Well, as I remember, I think this is accurate. No,
it wasn't. He wasn't given me film. I wasn't given
him film because we had played.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
One more game than he did.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Okay, so he wanted all four games and I was
on to get three and he called me, uh, unethical.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And really, yeah, I love it. That's juicy.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Publicly he called me unethical. So did you.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Respond to him?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I have a hunch you might have.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I didn't get the nickname Mason.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
In your face for nothing.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Oh that's too good.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't I don't remember that one. How long did
did he last there? I don't even remember, was it?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I mean, uh, well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I was only there two years. He was there two years,
but he's he stayed there and uh, you know, he
had great success at Mohler.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Heist legendary, not so much at uh at Notre.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
He really wasn't you know. He really wasn't a bad
I'm not saying that he was. He was a good person,
but it was he was a one way guy, you know,
Jerry faustway, and uh, whatever he thought should go should go.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And that isn't always the case.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, no, that's yeh, that's good one. I don't remember
you talking about that before.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Tiller always struck me, you know, he there's coaches you
mentioned it earlier. There's coaches who want to coach, and
there's coaches who just want to be the coach, and
Tiller struck me as one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
He didn't care.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
He didn't have a lot of airs about him, right,
I mean he didn't. He didn't play the role. He
didn't perform that he that he coached. Not a lot
of you know, not a lot of pumpsity there. I
didn't think No, I would agree with you one percent.
If you didn't know he was the head coach, he
wouldn't know a coach. And you know the thing about
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it was.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
He wasn't known as a recruiter, you know, really he
used to talk about how much he hated recruiting and
he you know, he didn't beat a lot of people
on named players, but the guys that he got were
awful good. You know, you look at Drew Brees, I
think from Austin, Texas. They didn't recruit him down there,
and he got him there and he was as good
as they could be. And he was the guy that
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really I'm talking about Joe Tiller. He changed the Big
ten true. You know, he had a pass offense second
to none out at Wyoming. And I remember at his
press conference someone asked him, they said, do you really
think your pass offense can survive in the Big Ten.
And he said, what do you mean? He said, did
you ever see the weather that we get in h
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late over November in the Big Ten? He says, you
ever been to Wyoming? You know?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
And and that was the case.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I mean, if you could perform in those conditions out there,
it didn't matter what the conditions were. You know, he
really had He knew what he was doing. He was
a good coach.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I forgot about Breeze, like you say, so that tells
me he so he must not have been very highly
regarded right coming out of high school.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
I don't know that. You know, we weren't involved in recruiting.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
He got him down there, and I think Drew Brees's
grandfather played for Texas.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Big mistake for.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
The long Ones if they didn't recruit in But I
would have to venture to say there was probably a
lot of schools in Texas that you know, bypassed him.
And just like a lot of people said, well he
was good in college, but he ain't gonna be able
to do it in pro football he's too short. Yeah,
Well he did it in pro football too.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Certainly did Texters a couple of final texts than anything else.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's on your mind. This is from Athletic fat Guy.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
He links to a story under this line via Yahoo
dot com inciably moves towards allowing schools to sell corporate
logo space on team your uniforms, your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Well, I think we're going to be like NASCAR before
too long. You know, it's it's you know, it's crazy.
I thought he was going to bring up, if I
read it right, that now the NCAA is and let
college athletes legally bet on pro sports.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Where are we going with this? I mean, this is
there's no end crazy.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
But you know the thing about it is college athletics
is really really greedy. You look at the TV contracts
and the naming rights on sports and now they're all
selling booze and they're uh, not only naming the stadiums,
they're naming the field, They're naming this, they're naming that
and all.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
This kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
And at the same time, you think if they're doing
all this, they could lower the ticket prices for the
people coming to the game. No, they raised those ticket
and a seat license and all this stuff. Uh, it's
it's crazy, and everybody wonders, why, uh that all the
athletes all of a sudden said well, you know, hey,
we're not getting ours, you know now we need N
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I L. And you're not gonna you know, tie us
into one program and the next thing that's gonna happen,
maybe it's already happened.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
You're going to see a high profile.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Athlete for one of these schools and they get to
the college football playoff and before the championship game, they're
gonna go behind closed door their agent and say, hey,
you want him to play tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
We need more money.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
He's gonna athletic. Fat guy.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Also reminds us of another guy at Purdue that I
haven't thought about a long time, Mike Alstein. It's a
nice that not why I care out to be a
good pro too. But he was a hell of a
college player, as you know, as you saw.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
I didn't uh uh, I didn't have to face him,
thank goodness. Uh he was gone by the time I
got there. But you know, a tough player and really
good player. You know, it's amazing the number of good
quarterbacks that produ has had over the ages.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It's uncanny, going all the way back to uh who
were some of the early guys. But uh, Greasy was
the first. Yeah, the one that comes to mind. You
have back in the old days. But Mike Phipps was
good and very good.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
College kid. Lynn Dawson go to school.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh yeah, you go there.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I'm not sure Len Dawson, I don't remember. Guards he
double check Len Dawson for us.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I will great ever.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Ever go there?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah he did. That's right.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, they did have quite a tradition at the quarterback position.
You're right, as is a custom for a Mason. Your
face appearance. I've done a little digging in the last
minute or two. I have the Daily Kent State or
digital archives to September twelfth, nineteen eighty six, previewing the
Golden Flashes meeting up with the Akron Zips. The natural
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rivalry that exists between the teams due to the closest
of the universities intensified this week. A lot of it
had to do with the coaches involved, Glenn Mason and
Jerry Faust, both new to the schools. A dispute between
the coaches concerning Mason's decision not to exchange game films
attracted more media attention to the game than ever before Boom,
Regardless of what went on this week. Neither team saw
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the other on film. Here's your guys, Stu Simms, Mace
All that doesn't even matter. We're just going out there
and playing. Everybody's blowing everything out of proportion.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
There it is the media, so we do media Jackals.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Well, let me just tell you so.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
But my recount of that story Pruce once again fact
and fish everybody else's fiction.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
We'll take it up with herb Hall the Star staff, right,
don't blame mosswdn't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
By the way, nobody Craig go to Kest because he
has a story here.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
So I told the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Well did you are you just remembering it wrong?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
No? What did I say? I said we had an
argument over the film. Yeah, well, and that was my fault.
I not my fault.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
But we're going to hear your decision. Yeah, Lend went
to Purdue. Brian Cardinal is still playing for It's amazing.
Somebody's running man. Well, but here's the question. The story
seems to indicate you didn't give any film. Your version
of the story was you wouldn't give the extra game.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
I don't remember the exact We're.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Gonna get to the bottom of that next week. I
got the daily Kent State's got a lot of stuff
on this. Oh this is good, this will save this
for sure. Anything else we're late, anything else that we
got to get to before we wrap up here or already.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I got to just say this one.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
And I've talked about it before, but you know, I
used to coach at Kent State.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yes, and it's a.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Great play, but you know, a year in and year out,
it seems like they're one of the worst programs in
the country. I mean, they just can't get turned around.
And I've talked about, well this year. This last week
they had to play the University of Oklahoma. Kent State
played in the University of Oklahoma. They got beat forty
four to nothing. That was the final third non conference
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game they played this year. They also had to play
Texas Tech in Florida State. And what I'm saying is,
whoever that a d you know, why would he think
the program is going to get turned around? You know
for Kent State. And they even have the same number
of scholarships as those other schools. But you know what
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they should make that ad put a helmet on and
go out there and play. And I guarantee if his
kid if he had a son was on the team,
he wouldn't schedule a team.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
But that solves all.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
His problems money.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's a better non conference schedule
than Indiana and Minnesota put together. I mean, that's impressive
right there.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Last item.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Will you allow me as we wrap up to pay
you a compliment?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Please? Yes?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I miss you on the Big Ten network. I really do.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
And you know you brought it up a couple of
year the story related to uh going to Purdue. You
were great on that network. It's still Look, it's it
is what it is. I understand they probably don't want
to spend the kind of money that they did before,
but you were you were good on it, and the
Big Ten network is poorer for not continuing to use you.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Well, I appreciate you saying that. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Guards you anything else before we go, I'm just looking
you want to talk about how college sports has changed.
May nineteen eighty seven, KSU had football coach Glenn Mason
said compensating athletes six hundred dollars would be a good
idea because of the time they put into their sport.
Football is fun, but it's fun on Saturday it's hard work.
In between, they were trying to go ahead of your time.
They were trying to figure out how to give people
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a little extra than the scholarship of twenty one and
ninety five dollars for fall semester at Kent State.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
There you go, Hey, let me just say that I'd
like to give credit where credits do. Okay, okay, And
I don't remember he's noticed you ever. Ce Cincinnati's having
a good year. They must have a good football team.
They beat Iowa State, who was undefeated I believe, last week.
And then I wonder if the people down to Florida.
Now I know that that, you know, Florida beat Texas.
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But everybody's getting ready to fire the coach down there.
The guy that he replaces, Dan mullins Uh is doing
a heck of a job at a UNLV. He's got
him rolling. So I'd like to give a little credit.
There's some good jobs being done out there.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
That's very fair. Will we see you next week or
will you likely still be in Fargo? It's too early
to tell.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Play it by air.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
I got a very busy skin.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
We know that that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Well, yeah, we miss you, guys, We miss you too,
so one way or another, we'll chat next week. Thank you,
Thank you, Mace in your face kind enough to join us.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
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Speaker 3 (47:48):
Always appreciate their loyalty to the program and to this
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Kessler about five thirty, what are you got another non
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Man, it's time for another edition of May in Your
Faith now, along with college Football Immortality.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Glenn Mason, Here's Dan Burrero. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Mace God, I don't even remember what he looks like.
Do you guard Sye? It's been so long. I looked
at his Wikipedia page. He looks like Jerry Kill. Has
anybody corrected that yet?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Is still up?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Then?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Come on, well it's We're just trying to bring it
to people's attention so it can be corrected, because I
don't think you look anything like Jerry Kill.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Nothing against Jerry Kill.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Mace's back and Fargo and that's where he joins us
if you have questions for him. Brat Sean Brian Cafe
in text line six four six eight six. That's six
four six eighty six. Mace, a question out of nowhere,
apropos of nothing. In the course of your long and
distinguished football career, first as a player, then as an
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assistant coach, then as a coordinator, then as a head coach,
did you ever have any time at all getting to
know herschel Walker.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, I really didn't. I know.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
When I was an assistant coach at Ohio State, we
tried to recruit me I wasn't the assistant doing it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
We tried to recruit herschel Walker.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Earl Bruce was the head coach at that time, and
I remember him coming back and saying herschel Walker, what
a great player. He said, But I went to the
school and I went to his home and he said, coach,
why don't you ride with me? And he said, I
got in his transam and he was driving about ninety
miles an hour. You know, it was a heck of
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an experience. He said, we're not going.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
To get him.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And University of Georgia I was there for that freshman year.
I covered him for Vince Dooley, well, not the for
covered Vince Dooley for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Great guy
to deal with, by the way, Dooley I had it.
You think I always have bad relationships with coaches. I
had a wonderful working relationship with the late great Vince
Dooley at Georgia. And then again, they were undefeated that season,
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so that might have had something to do with it.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Well, being that he's late and he's great, I can't
verify if.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's true or not.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
So you can say everything that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You oh man, I figured you'd say that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I bring Herschel's name up because I'm wondering if now
that you have so much free time on your hand
or hands, I should say, whether you're in Fargo, whatever
you might be, would you ever consider taking a US
ambassadorship overseas? Because Herschel apparently is going to be our
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first ambassador to the Bahamas in quite some time. That
was announced either last night or earlier today. Could you
see yourself being a US ambassador?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Well, I just could imagine where they'd send me to
be an ambassador.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I'm not you know, the Bahamas.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I'd probably say yes, yes, because I'd say I'm not
too sure that that's pretty good job there.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, that's got to be a plumb assignment for him.
I think that's a I think that's a Donald J.
Trump reward for something I'm not I'm not sure, Uh, Coach.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Mason one of many you ever see the I mean,
it's it's kind of a payback support somebody either or
you know, publicly, and that's the payback you get, you know,
a pretty good duty. You might not be qualified for it,
but yeah, and that's just not with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
That's a long list of what's gone on forever.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Rush it's part of the deal. Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
But by the way, will you please ask Mace if
he ever he has ever had a quarterback controversy like
the Vikings are dealing with currently, or was Cupitot always
the guy?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Good callback to the Brian Cupada days.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, well, you know we I think we talked about
this a couple of weeks ago. Murmer I said, oh,
do we have a quarterback controversy now? Because of all
the publicity around JJ McCarthy, how great he is and
all this kind of stuff, and then he gets injured
again and he goes to the sideline, and and then
you have a guy come in and they win a
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few games or he plays decent, do you have a controversy?
And and I guess maybe you have a controversy anyway
with Sam Darnold going.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
To Seattle and the jury's still out on the car.
We haven't seen him yet. Not enough, yeah, not enough
to say, well, he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But do you have a I don't know, and an
overriding philosophy when it comes to this sort of situation
in which you know, we just had Kevin Severn and Studio.
Seaver's view on is he's played reasonably well under tough circumstances,
given you he was. He joined the team last week,
basically last week before the season began. But he doesn't
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think he's played so well that it's slammed dunk, it's
Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
The rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So what did you have kind of a coaching philosophy
on how you make these These are tough decisions to make,
man there, and sometimes you know, they're crucial decisions. They
can be coach killing decisions sometimes.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, you know, I used to talk about it all
the time. I kind of out.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Of a philosophy theo, if you have two quarterbacks and
you can't make up your mind which one's better, neither
one of them is good enough, so you might as
well just make one on one and the other guy
or two and move forward with it. Now, that may
or may not be true, because some of these talents
rich programs, especially in college, they might have a couple
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of guys that are good enough, fortunately or unfortunately, depending
how you look at it. And my situation in college
is every place I've been when I say, hey, coach,
it was you know, pretty clear cut and not that
we didn't have guys at that talent, but we didn't
have you know where we had two guys that would say, jeez,
I can't make up my mind.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
It was pretty clear cut for.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
US Hendo in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Reminds us Mace, you're already the US ambassador to North Dakota.
You've kind of proven that point the last month.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well that's good.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I guess I wouldn't mind being the ambassador to North Dakota.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
As long as they can live in Fargo, I'd be
real happy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Is there a big is there a lot of hatred?
I mean, I'm going to you now, because you're the expert.
Is there a lot of hatred between North Dakota and
South Dakota?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
You know, I'm not really sure the question I asked.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Just today, I said, is it a big rivalry between
North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And they said, you bet, yeah. And you know, I.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Guess one's real good in football and one's good, real
real good in hockey. So uh, it's a dividing light.
But there there is a competition there. I'm not sure about,
you know, states, I'm not really North Dakota and South Dakota.
I'm not privileged as yet, but I will ask around.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Uh seven to one five guy writes, I saw TikTok
where PJ said Greg greg Eslinger is the greatest Gopher
of all time?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Is that true?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Guardian?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Do you know if that's true?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Or is he just trying to.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Get Mace going?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I don't know. Yeah, how about that PJ is standing
tall for your guy?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
If it's true, If it's true that he said that,
PJ put his name up on the stadium. Come on,
what are we waiting for. I'm tired of talking about that.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Did you get to watch any or all of the
Gophers debacle in Columbus against the Buckoups.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I wouldn't call it a debacle, but I okay, I
watched the game, and I've and I've got some uh thoughts. Okay,
you know, first of all, let me just talk about
the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Drake Lindsay. I am really really impressed with that.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean not just the first drive, but as I
was sitting there watching that game, and if you remember
when I was coaching, I used to challenge my coaches
all the time, you know, get back to a playground mentality.
As far as evaluation of players, so you're down there
and you're choosing upsides, okay, and you get the first pick.
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And I'm just telling you, if I had the first pick,
would I take Drake Lindsey or would I take the
High State quarterback?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I'm taking Drake Lindsay. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I was controversial, and no it's not.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
It's not at all.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Only if you want to make a controversial when I'm
saying what I was thinking. If I looked at Drake
Lindsey and could have put him in a scarlet and
gray uniform with all the weapons that they have, how
could you think he'd be I mean, be spectacs. Those
wide receivers at a high State they should be playing
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
They were already.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
And you know, I'm not saying that that the Gopher
offensive line didn't do a good job of protecting him,
but there's no running attack. And when you become one dimensional,
which they are right now, and I think not just
that week, but week in and week out the Gophers are,
they're really struggling to run the ball. And if you
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play a defense like a High State in your one
dimensional man.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
You have got problems.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Okay, I think the offensive line for The Gophers did
a pretty good job pass protecting for him, but man
in their run game, they got manhandled.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You go back and.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Watch that film if you watch it closely, their number
of times that defensive line for a high State playing
on the Gophers side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Really they got man hill in the running game.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Now, defensively, and you know, at that's a handful trying
to defend that offense. But how you think you could
play man coverage against those wide receivers. That' pobre one
quarterback number fourteen, I think that's his number.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Come on now, I.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Mean that guy's gonna not only gonna be in the NFL,
he's going to be a star in the NFL. I
couldn't believe how big that wide receiver he's He's two
hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Do you believe that way he runs? But you're you're.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Looking at a team, let's say a good High State
team playing again, I mean a good Minnesota team playing
against a highest seed team that might just be a
great Ohio State team. They have talent every which way.
And you know you're talking about the number of players
that Ohio State lost off of last year's defense with
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all four guys off the defensive line. Now in the NFL,
if that's true, how many teams can do that? I
mean it's you're comparing apples and oranges.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, it sounds like you're not willing to give the
buck Geys much credit. I mean, you're making it sound
like what else can they be?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But great? With all the talent they have.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Number one in the country. Well, you know, you know,
I mean when you look at it, I don't know.
And again, the quarterback for High State played pretty darn good.
Ye I think he was twenty four of twenty eight
three hundred and forty one yards. I mean, that's that's,
you know, pretty darn impressive. But I'm saying that Drake lindsay,
I'd like this scene him.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, No, I like him now he would have There's
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, I would say in fairnet, the High of
State offense has been all over the map this year
that they haven't been dominant every They scored fourteen seventy
against Grambling, Okay, thirty seven against Ohio, twenty four against
Washington there and forty two against the Gophers.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
To me, the defense is the story.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I mean they've they've they haven't even given up double
digits yet, man seven zero nine six, and that that
opening field goal drive against Minnesota. That's it for the
entire season. That is all they've given up defensively.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You know, they haven't given up a touchdown in the
red zone. You know, you know Dargut now.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
In saying that, do you think that Jim Knowles, the
defensive coordinator of Penn State, scratching his head, saying maybe
I shouldn't have left the buck eyes or even because
he didn't get fired. I mean, he got out of
good graces after it was looked like he was talking
to Penn State, and Ryan Day said, yeah, you're talking
to them, then you're out of here.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But defense is the story right now. Then that and the.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Wide receivers they're running attack at the High State's not
very impressive, but those wide receivers are impressive.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Let me ask you a philosophica, another philosophical coaches question. Okay,
the Gophers face. Let me see, if I go, they
face a looks.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Like fourth.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And ten, Yeah, fourth and ten from the Ohio State.
Is it twenty three yard line at which point down
thirty five to three in the fourth quarter they try
a field goal from fourth and ten at the Ohio
State twenty three Madness or sensible? Would you have tried
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a field goal in that same situation?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
What would you have done? I'm just kind of curious.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm going for it. Yeah, yeah, what are the points mean?
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You get to the place where you start saying, you know,
what's three points going to do for you?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, you know, make something happen. You know, I've seen
it all over the park sometimes as a as a coach.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I know I've been there.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Even in a worse situation, you say, well, it's fourth
and seven off the twenty your own twenty five yard line,
why should you punt?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You might as well throw and go for What's the
difference if you get beat?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
What's the difference if you get be forty two to
three or forty eight to three or fifty eight to three.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know, just keep going. Maybe maybe you'll get lucky.
I don't you know.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
At that point, I guess the way that you're going,
and you think, you know, okay, I can go for it.
But what's the percentage that I'm going to have a
chance doing against this defense?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I mean, you got to use a little sentity and
then you know, if you if you go for it
and don't get it, now there High State just gets
that more ecstatic if you if you kick the field
goal and you make it, you feel like okay, and
everybody's running off the sideline and you're high fighting your
own guys.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Are James Franklin's days numbered in State College?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And should they? Should they be?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I think the only reason they're not, I think is
buy outs.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Fifty six million dollars, you know, I think if I
think if it wasn't fifty six million dollars, if it
was only six million dollars to be it be gone.
But this goes back to the thing I'm going to
talk about before. And it sounds like I'm been grudging
with coaches are making now.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
But whoever is.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Making these decisions, these ads or whatever, with these buyouts,
they've lost their mind?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I mean, I thought we we saw the worst, the
worst one Jimbo Fisher, hexas A and m I think
he had like a seventy eight million dollar buyout, and
I thought, well, the repercussions from that. You've seen the
end of that but it's not, it's crazy. It just
keeps going. And I can just tell you this that
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these guys that do it for a heck of a
lot less. I can tell you that, I really believe,
you know, if you're if you're made of the right things.
And I've said before, there's only two kinds of coaches.
There's guys that loves coaching, and there's guys that love
being the coach and what they're getting paid. Now, there's
a lot of guys just love being the cahch.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I can tell you that. Yeah, but fifty six million.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's I didn't realize that. That's stunning.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
What was the biggest buyout you ever had in any
one of your contracts?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you remember?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, from University of Minnesota. And I don't know who
made the decision, but they signed me to a new
five year contract and then fired me after one year's
and then.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
They had to pay me. Who would have done that
because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
You know, it's easy to do things when you're paying
people and it's not your money. Yeah, it's university money,
it's taxpayer money, it's I don't know what kind of
money it is, but you know, whatever it is. But
I can tell you I didn't get any fifty six
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I didn't get any forty six.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I didn't get any thirty six, I get any twenty six,
I didn't get any sixteen.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I didn't get six. Now I'm not biggrudging when I
got paid.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Yeah, it was insanity that they they signed me to
a contract and I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
We went to a.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Bowl game, lost it over time and they fired me.
So but you know, like I said, they you know
they had a tight end coach available at the Broncos,
So go get them.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You know, right now, do you ever do you ever
you start?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Do you ever say to yourself, Man, I was born
too soon, you know, like if you'd been born like
twenty five years later, think of the money you'd have.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Well, and if I had ever been born earlier, I
wouldn't have got what I got.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
You know that's true.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
You know the thing about now guys that are in
coaching college coaching, assistant coaches. I mean, I you know,
I didn't make any money as an assistant coach. I
really didn't. I mean, you were poor. And then when
I first got in to be a head coach. I
mean I took a pay cut to leave Ohio State
to go to Kent State. Uh, and I really didn't
make any you know, a big money. I mean I
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made good money when I first came to Minnesota. Then
it really became good. But a couple of years after that, man,
it went through the roof.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
By the way guards the or Mace. Do we know
what the Bill Belichick buyout is? I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Bad, Mace. It's really bad right now? Is it?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You know, salvageable?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Because I've heard some people say, look, he inherited a
mess He's got one hundred new players and whatever's going
to happen, It wasn't realistically going to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
In a year.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Hell, you came here and inherited a huge disaster. I
mean you were literally starting over.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So I don't know. I mean, what do we make
of what's going on with Belichick?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It ain't good, I can tell you that. And you
know the thing about it is, it's messy. You know,
there's a reason why they fired Mac Brown. Okay, they
weren't getting what they wanted to buy a new hope,
and they bought a lot of hope. And Bill Belichick.
But hiring Bill Belichick, you would have thought they would
at least been the same.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Or maybe a little bit better.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
No one expected them to win the conference and get
to the College Football Play Play up the first year.
But it looks like a disaster. And what they ought
to say is who made this decision? Who came up
with this idea? Was it the ad? Was it the president?
Was it some alump? I mean I always think that
you got to go to that is who's making those decisions?
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You know, you know, no one hires himself. No one
fires himself. So someone's got to make in those decisions,
and their feet should be held to the fire.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I got let's take a bottom of the hour pause.
I got some good Belichick dirt too, not dirt so
much as intel, a little more detail on what's going
on there. Right now, we'll get to we got a preview,
well we'll give a moment or two to Gophers Purdue,
but we have to preview the Hoosiers. This is kind
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of their tail game right in Oregon against the Ducks.
So we'll get to that and whatever else is stuck
in Mace's kraw when we contend Mace in your face
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back with us dateline far ago. I'm looking mace at
a New York Post piece under the head excuse me,
headline UNC exploring potential Bill Belichick exit strategy as weird
rumors surface. The school has reportedly had preliminary conversations about
firing the legendary football coaches five games into the new era.
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His buyout is twenty million dollars for the record. The
story goes on to say that Belichick himself may be
looking for and out. College football journalist Ali Conley reported
that Belichick has discussed buyout options with North Caro North
Carolina's hierarchy, and he has signaled a willingness to trigger
his own one million dollar buyout if he can find
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a soft landing with another team or in media. The
reporter adds that Belichick has reportedly been quote weird and
distant with his staff, and some coaches were unable to
get a hold of him during the teams by week.
I don't know what it's just. It obviously has just
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not gone anywhere near as well as anybody could have hoped.
They were beaten by Clemson thirty eight to ten on Saturday.
That was at Chapel Hill, and you know, Guardian our
time about this. I think yesterday that or somebody brought
it up that you know, Drake May went to the UNC.
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He has a really nice signature game. They knock off Buffalo,
the Buffalo Bills on National TV. And apparently several folks
have you know, pretty much confirmed that.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
The Belichick warning was, we're not we we do.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Not We're not going to send out anything about what
Drake May did, even though he went to school here
because he plays for New England. And Belichick has said
before how he feels about acknowledging that organization at all.
I you know, it was with Louie we were talking
about with Louis LOUI was in studio yesterday and Louis said,
you know, you'd like to think as you get older,
you you become a little less bitter, or you become
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a little bit more philosophical and you let, you know,
you let go of some things. But it feels like
Belichick in some ways is kind of his own worst
enemy here.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
What do you think, Well, I don't know if that's
you know, true or not.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I know that he didn't let the New England Patriots
on their campus yes because he said he wasn't felt
welcome on their campus, and then Vrabel came out they
coach Patriot. That's not true. He's welcome here any time.
I would have to think that. I have a hard
time believing that. I think that Bill Belichick has more
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bigger fish to fry than worry about what Drake May
has done.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I mean, he's getting his head handed to him right now.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
As far as those other rumors, you know, it's hard
for I think a lot of people that think, well,
would Belichick want to bow out after one season or
even right now? And you think no, But you know,
let's not forget when Lou Hols left n C State
and went to the Jets, and all of a sudden
he realized this is not what I thought it was
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going to be. Maybe I've been off more than can chew.
And he left, you know, and he went to Arkansas.
So I think everybody was surprised when he did that,
to walk away from the New York Jets job in
the NFL after I'm not even sure it was one year.
I know it was not more than one year, So
who knows what's going on. I mean, he's just like
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Lou Hols didn't have a background in pro football. Bill
Jack has a big background in football, but not college football, No,
not at all, and he might think, oh, this is
a lot different than I thought it would be.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
All right, Indiana off to a terrific start again this year,
very soft non conference schedule, but they in the Big
Ten have been good to very good. They destroyed Illinois,
they found the proverbial way to win on the road
against Iowa on an afternoon where they didn't play great,
but they did, you know, indeed get the victory. They
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get the week off, and now they prepare for what's
Oregon ranked? Is it six, five or six? I can't remember.
They're ranked pretty high and they're good and it's there.
So I mean, if you were let me put it
this way, if you were in Signetti's shoes, do you
do you have if you're being fair, do you have to.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Look at this?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Is this as well as games man? If whether it's
fair to us or not, we're still not totally taken
seriously at the top level because when we played really
good t games last year, what Ohio State regular season,
Notre Dame in the postseason, we didn't fare very well.
We were not particularly competitive, and sooner or later, that's
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what we got to do. We got to go to
a place like Oregon and we have to win the
damn game. Is that fair for for Do you think
that's what even Signetti has to think right now? If
he's if he if he wants to really be genuine.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Oh, I think so, you know, I I think that
Signetti Coachingnetti's done a good job of putting a chip
on the shoulders of I think he had a chip
on his shoulders anyway for him, yes, but for his
players and his program to say, no one really respects
in the end. We've even talked about that. You know,
was last year as great as it was for them?
(25:43):
Was it a one off? H And he's kind of
backed it up so far. You know this year, he's
he's done a good job, and a lot of people,
maybe me included, we're waiting for that other shoe to
fall and say, you know what, he's made him good.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
But they're not that good.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know, they're they shouldn't be in the conversation of
being the college football playoff two years in a row.
If he goes out there and plays and beats him,
then we're all saying, hey, you know what, they're really legit,
let's get off, let's get on the back. If he
goes out there, it makes the game close and still
Lou yes, they're a lot better. But if he goes
(26:22):
out there and tammis, yeah, he gets beat by twenty
five or thirty points, then we say, well, yeah, they're
not the old Indiana, but they're sure not the new Indiana.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I think the latest ratings, I see Oregans three and
the Indiana's seven. I don't remember the last time. I
don't even know if Indiana has ever been ranked as
high as number seven in the country. So and that's
a two thirty. I think that's a two thirty game.
And that I think he said. I think he nailed it.
I think that's fair. I mean, you don't believe in
moral victories, but there's a difference between, as you say,
(26:54):
losing by twenty seven really never being in the game,
and let's say losing by three or even six for
a game that goes down to the wire, that gets
into the U in the fourth quarter. And believe me,
I think look for a lot of schools, I think
they should root for what Indiana represents right, because it's
a place that's been awful in football, as you know,
(27:15):
with rare exception, and I think programs like that are
all looking for hope, right, the idea that it's not
always the blue bloods that that you know, that are
ranked that high or ranked in the top ten with
a chance to be something, you know, to have a
significant season.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yeah, I think you're right on one count. And one
thing you're not looking at is there's a lot of
programs out there. Let's say, if Indiana gets the college
football playoff again, there's a lot of programs that are
going to tell their coach, Hey, if Indiana can do it,
I can't wait exactly. Yeah, why aren't you there? You
know they're you know, we used to be ahead of Indiana.
You know what's going on to me in this game?
(27:54):
I really think the challenge is for Indiana's defense against
Oregons off what I've seen against Indiana's offense. That quarterback
what's his name, Mendoza? Correct, he's good, now, I mean
he's really good. It looks like they can as long
as they can protect and they can move the ball
on just about anybody. Now, can their defense hold up
(28:15):
against our offense, and they're playing in a really, really
tough place at awesome Stadium is as loud as it
gets their wild out there.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
They love their ducks. It'll be a big challenge for Indiana.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'm looking at I let me call it up here
real quick. The you know, we've spent a lot of
time in this show talking about the Viking schedule. The
feeling was the first five games was relatively favorable and
that you almost need to like go four and one
or five and zero to sort of give yourself a
little breathing room. Now that you get after the bye,
this middle section, that's a lot of really good teams.
(28:52):
Now again the Ravens have struggled, although right now they
don't have their quarterback. Presumably by then they would have
their quarterback. And you know, contrary to that, for the Gophers,
it's like, well, this is now that you're past Ohio State,
this is the stretch where you kind of got to
(29:12):
get fat, you know, and it starts with hosting Purdue
for homecoming on Saturday. Then you've got Nebraska here, you're
at Iowa, and you've got Michigan State here before you
have to go to Salem. Guards he has to go
to Salem on the fourteenth of November to face Oregon.
So to me, that's the challenge here, right, is these
(29:32):
are all games.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
What are you talking about? Salem?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You mean, Eugene, Eugene. I don't why I keep saying Salem, Yeah, Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
For some reason, I got Salem on the brain. I
don't know why to get too.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I thought maybe that's what the salad bar was for guards.
I wasn't really sure.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, maybe it is. It's possible. Salad bar. Yeah, salad bar.
Are you sure you mean the salad.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Bar, the Salem salad bar. You never heard of it?
Oh no, it's big time time.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But to my point this is there's an opportunity here,
right if you play to the level that you think
you are, you got a chance to fatten up the
record a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Well, I think it goes back to the big picture
that when you're a place like a so maybe any program, uh,
make sure you win the games that you're capable of winning,
especially playing at home. Yes, and then finger keep your
fingers crossed that you'll beat somebody that you really shouldn't
(30:35):
be able to beat.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It's an upset for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
You know, you play really well, they play average, or
they have turnovers or wherever. And if you beat the
teams that you're supposed to beat and then beat one
team that you're not supposed to beat, man you have
a great year.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, that's all true. Let's get one more.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
And you're talking about the Gophers should be Purdue, right, Yes,
they are a big If they play well, don't turn
the ball all over, they'll win win that game.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Nebraska.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Everybody keeps holding their bread for Nebraska to beat Nebraska.
I don't think it's this year again, I can tell
you that. Uh. And then you know, it seems like
Iowa is you know, they're even down there at Kinnick Stadium.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
They're very vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
And then Michigan State, I see where there's rumors some
of their fans want coach Smith already bought out of
his contract.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
It's infanity.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, it probably is. By the way, was there bad
blood between you and Joe Tiller back in the day.
Was Joe Tiller the guy you coached?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Not at all? You got a lie. I really liked
Joe Tiller. Joe Tiller was a great football coach.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
He was and he went in there and uh, you
know to think that you know, he kind of I'm
not saying they fired him, but he kind of bowed out.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
They forgot how good they had with Joe Tiller. I
know that, Uh, conversations I had with him. He was
not really fond of Morgan Burke, his athletic talker.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, he used to tell me all the time, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
You know Morgan Burke was a produe graduate. He was
a letter winner, not in football. He was a swimmer,
I think, and some of the some of the things
that you know Joe thought that they should be able
to do. They butted heads on based on my conversations
with them. But no, I had great respect, you know
(32:27):
for Joe Tiller.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Great coach did.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And wasn't he the head coach who presided over the
greatest swindle of your entire coaching career the game at
the at the Metrodome where they moved the ball like
ninety yards in six seconds for the field goal.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
He had nothing to do with it, but yeah, it's
a you know, we took over and they I forget
how many seconds they have, but the first down they
had the legal procedure and they got penalized, and it
was like, I don't know, seven seconds on the clock
and this would be the last play of the game.
And I dropped back and they threw the ball to
midfield and they caught it, but the game should have
been over. We tackled them. Uh and uh, you know,
(33:06):
you check it out. The officials except for the referee,
they all turned around for the locker room. There was
one second left on the clock. And I'm not going
to mention the referee, but he told me privately, he said,
we couldn't believe it. Only at Minnesota, playing at home
would there be one second on the clock.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
So did you?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And my recollection is we've talked about this before that
that was the last game for that time timekeeper.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I'm not sure that's true. It would have it would
have been if I was in control, but I had
no power that should happened.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
No, I was there before. It was stunning.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, well that's that's the way it is. I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I went back and I used to stop watch. There
actually should have been two seconds left. So the person
did make a mistake, but not the way that you thought.
They got it off so easily to midfield there should
have been doing this.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
All it's going to do is extend the segment. Hey,
you're right, we got a break, no problem, Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Man, Mace handling that with unusual a plumb All right,
let's break. We'll get to whatever else is on your
mind in our final segment for today's show. Kessler is
in studio or will be at about five point thirty.
(34:36):
Mace in your face back with us for a final segment,
at least for this week. Question from Todd via the
Bratcheawn Brian Kfean text line, who did Mace have the
baddest blood with when he was coaching?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Oh? Boy?
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Well, before I answer that, though, you brought up Joe Tiller. Yeah,
I was sitting at the break. Let me tell you
a little story. Ry my first year working for the
Big Tent Network had a game for due. So I
had a meeting scheduled with Joe Tiller in his office
on a Friday, and I got there in his secretary
he says, well, Joe, coach Tiller is running a little lately.
(35:15):
Can I get you a cup of coffe? And I
said sure. He comes walking in about five minutes late
later in a T shirt and shorts with grants.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
All over his feet.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
I don't you know where you've been, he says, I
mean cutting my laws, and I just I couldn't believe it,
you know, But that's what he was doing, is he's
cutting his own one. Probably the guy, uh that I had,
I got along with. I would say most guys, but
probably when I was at Kent State with Jerry Faust,
(35:46):
we went head and head on some field exchange issues,
and uh it became really out in the public in
the medias. Uh you know, we had we had, we
had some words over no kidding.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, Well, Jerry fous get fired and got the job.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And he he came in and uh, I think he
thought he was still the head coach at noticame and.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
And I wasn't gonna take it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I love it. So he was like not giving you film.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You guys sort of do film exchanges as a courtesy,
and he was not going along with it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Was one of those deals.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Well, as I remember, I think this is accurate. No,
it wasn't. He wasn't given me film. I wasn't given
him film because we had played.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
One more game than he did.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Okay, so he wanted all four games and I was
on to get three and he called me, uh, unethical.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And really, yeah, I love it. That's juicy.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Publicly he called me unethical. So did you.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Respond to him?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I have a hunch you might have.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I didn't get the nickname Mason.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
In your face for nothing.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Oh that's too good.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't I don't remember that one. How long did
did he last there? I don't even remember, was it?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I mean, uh, well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I was only there two years. He was there two years,
but he's he stayed there and uh, you know, he
had great success at Mohler.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Heist legendary, not so much at uh at Notre.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
He really wasn't you know. He really wasn't a bad
I'm not saying that he was. He was a good person,
but it was he was a one way guy, you know,
Jerry faustway, and uh, whatever he thought should go should go.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And that isn't always the case.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, no, that's yeh, that's good one. I don't remember
you talking about that before.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Tiller always struck me, you know, he there's coaches you
mentioned it earlier. There's coaches who want to coach, and
there's coaches who just want to be the coach, and
Tiller struck me as one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
He didn't care.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
He didn't have a lot of airs about him, right,
I mean he didn't. He didn't play the role. He
didn't perform that he that he coached. Not a lot
of you know, not a lot of pumpsity there. I
didn't think No, I would agree with you one percent.
If you didn't know he was the head coach, he
wouldn't know a coach. And you know the thing about
(38:10):
it was.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
He wasn't known as a recruiter, you know, really he
used to talk about how much he hated recruiting and
he you know, he didn't beat a lot of people
on named players, but the guys that he got were
awful good. You know, you look at Drew Brees, I
think from Austin, Texas. They didn't recruit him down there,
and he got him there and he was as good
as they could be. And he was the guy that
(38:35):
really I'm talking about Joe Tiller. He changed the Big
ten true. You know, he had a pass offense second
to none out at Wyoming. And I remember at his
press conference someone asked him, they said, do you really
think your pass offense can survive in the Big Ten.
And he said, what do you mean? He said, did
you ever see the weather that we get in h
(38:58):
late over November in the Big Ten? He says, you
ever been to Wyoming? You know?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
And and that was the case.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I mean, if you could perform in those conditions out there,
it didn't matter what the conditions were. You know, he
really had He knew what he was doing. He was
a good coach.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I forgot about Breeze, like you say, so that tells
me he so he must not have been very highly
regarded right coming out of high school.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
I don't know that. You know, we weren't involved in recruiting.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
He got him down there, and I think Drew Brees's
grandfather played for Texas.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Big mistake for.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
The long Ones if they didn't recruit in But I
would have to venture to say there was probably a
lot of schools in Texas that you know, bypassed him.
And just like a lot of people said, well he
was good in college, but he ain't gonna be able
to do it in pro football he's too short. Yeah,
Well he did it in pro football too.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Certainly did Texters a couple of final texts than anything else.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's on your mind. This is from Athletic fat Guy.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
He links to a story under this line via Yahoo
dot com inciably moves towards allowing schools to sell corporate
logo space on team your uniforms, your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Well, I think we're going to be like NASCAR before
too long. You know, it's it's you know, it's crazy.
I thought he was going to bring up, if I
read it right, that now the NCAA is and let
college athletes legally bet on pro sports.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Where are we going with this? I mean, this is
there's no end crazy.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
But you know the thing about it is college athletics
is really really greedy. You look at the TV contracts
and the naming rights on sports and now they're all
selling booze and they're uh, not only naming the stadiums,
they're naming the field, They're naming this, they're naming that
and all.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
This kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
And at the same time, you think if they're doing
all this, they could lower the ticket prices for the
people coming to the game. No, they raised those ticket
and a seat license and all this stuff. Uh, it's
it's crazy, and everybody wonders, why, uh that all the
athletes all of a sudden said well, you know, hey,
we're not getting ours, you know now we need N
(41:13):
I L. And you're not gonna you know, tie us
into one program and the next thing that's gonna happen,
maybe it's already happened.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
You're going to see a high profile.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Athlete for one of these schools and they get to
the college football playoff and before the championship game, they're
gonna go behind closed door their agent and say, hey,
you want him to play tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
We need more money.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
He's gonna athletic. Fat guy.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Also reminds us of another guy at Purdue that I
haven't thought about a long time, Mike Alstein. It's a
nice that not why I care out to be a
good pro too. But he was a hell of a
college player, as you know, as you saw.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
I didn't uh uh, I didn't have to face him,
thank goodness. Uh he was gone by the time I
got there. But you know, a tough player and really
good player. You know, it's amazing the number of good
quarterbacks that produ has had over the ages.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It's uncanny, going all the way back to uh who
were some of the early guys. But uh, Greasy was
the first. Yeah, the one that comes to mind. You
have back in the old days. But Mike Phipps was
good and very good.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
College kid. Lynn Dawson go to school.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh yeah, you go there.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I'm not sure Len Dawson, I don't remember. Guards he
double check Len Dawson for us.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I will great ever.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Ever go there?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah he did. That's right.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, they did have quite a tradition at the quarterback position.
You're right, as is a custom for a Mason. Your
face appearance. I've done a little digging in the last
minute or two. I have the Daily Kent State or
digital archives to September twelfth, nineteen eighty six, previewing the
Golden Flashes meeting up with the Akron Zips. The natural
(42:53):
rivalry that exists between the teams due to the closest
of the universities intensified this week. A lot of it
had to do with the coaches involved, Glenn Mason and
Jerry Faust, both new to the schools. A dispute between
the coaches concerning Mason's decision not to exchange game films
attracted more media attention to the game than ever before Boom,
Regardless of what went on this week. Neither team saw
(43:14):
the other on film. Here's your guys, Stu Simms, Mace
All that doesn't even matter. We're just going out there
and playing. Everybody's blowing everything out of proportion.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
There it is the media, so we do media Jackals.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Well, let me just tell you so.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
But my recount of that story Pruce once again fact
and fish everybody else's fiction.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
We'll take it up with herb Hall the Star staff, right,
don't blame mosswdn't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
By the way, nobody Craig go to Kest because he
has a story here.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
So I told the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Well did you are you just remembering it wrong?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
No? What did I say? I said we had an
argument over the film. Yeah, well, and that was my fault.
I not my fault.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
But we're going to hear your decision. Yeah, Lend went
to Purdue. Brian Cardinal is still playing for It's amazing.
Somebody's running man. Well, but here's the question. The story
seems to indicate you didn't give any film. Your version
of the story was you wouldn't give the extra game.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
I don't remember the exact We're.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Gonna get to the bottom of that next week. I
got the daily Kent State's got a lot of stuff
on this. Oh this is good, this will save this
for sure. Anything else we're late, anything else that we
got to get to before we wrap up here or already.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I got to just say this one.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
And I've talked about it before, but you know, I
used to coach at Kent State.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yes, and it's a.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Great play, but you know, a year in and year out,
it seems like they're one of the worst programs in
the country. I mean, they just can't get turned around.
And I've talked about, well this year. This last week
they had to play the University of Oklahoma. Kent State
played in the University of Oklahoma. They got beat forty
four to nothing. That was the final third non conference
(44:59):
game they played this year. They also had to play
Texas Tech in Florida State. And what I'm saying is,
whoever that a d you know, why would he think
the program is going to get turned around? You know
for Kent State. And they even have the same number
of scholarships as those other schools. But you know what
(45:20):
they should make that ad put a helmet on and
go out there and play. And I guarantee if his
kid if he had a son was on the team,
he wouldn't schedule a team.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
But that solves all.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
His problems money.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's a better non conference schedule
than Indiana and Minnesota put together. I mean, that's impressive
right there.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Last item.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Will you allow me as we wrap up to pay
you a compliment?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Please? Yes?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I miss you on the Big Ten network. I really do.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
And you know you brought it up a couple of
year the story related to uh going to Purdue. You
were great on that network. It's still Look, it's it
is what it is. I understand they probably don't want
to spend the kind of money that they did before,
but you were you were good on it, and the
Big Ten network is poorer for not continuing to use you.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Well, I appreciate you saying that. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Guards you anything else before we go, I'm just looking
you want to talk about how college sports has changed.
May nineteen eighty seven, KSU had football coach Glenn Mason
said compensating athletes six hundred dollars would be a good
idea because of the time they put into their sport.
Football is fun, but it's fun on Saturday it's hard work.
In between, they were trying to go ahead of your time.
They were trying to figure out how to give people
(46:35):
a little extra than the scholarship of twenty one and
ninety five dollars for fall semester at Kent State.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
There you go, Hey, let me just say that I'd
like to give credit where credits do. Okay, okay, And
I don't remember he's noticed you ever. Ce Cincinnati's having
a good year. They must have a good football team.
They beat Iowa State, who was undefeated I believe, last week.
And then I wonder if the people down to Florida.
Now I know that that, you know, Florida beat Texas.
(47:05):
But everybody's getting ready to fire the coach down there.
The guy that he replaces, Dan mullins Uh is doing
a heck of a job at a UNLV. He's got
him rolling. So I'd like to give a little credit.
There's some good jobs being done out there.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
That's very fair. Will we see you next week or
will you likely still be in Fargo? It's too early
to tell.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Play it by air.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
I got a very busy skin.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
We know that that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Well, yeah, we miss you, guys, We miss you too,
so one way or another, we'll chat next week. Thank you,
Thank you, Mace in your face kind enough to join us.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Brought to you by our good friends at Jack's Cafe.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Always appreciate their loyalty to the program and to this
segment as well. Top five might be a mini version.
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