October 29, 2025 • 43 mins
Glen Mason is back for another great hour of college football talk including some Gophers/Iowa talk, some stories about different job offers he had while coaching at the U and Big Ten talk.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face now.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Along with college Football Immortality, Glenn Mason, Here's Dan Burrero.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Mace. Is this true?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Barry from Blaine writes, will you ask Mace if he
can impart to us the feeling of beating Iowa four
times in six years?
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Hard to remember what that must have been like? Did
you do that? I don't remember that four times in
six that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
That seems like a lot.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Ask Glenn about the ninety eight Minnesota of Iowa game.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Hold on, let me scroll down here real quick.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
That was here blowed.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh, Hayden Fry's last game. Yeah, we killed you killed
him in that game?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Killed him.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You were merciless? Were you running up the score on
Hayden Fry? Thought you had a good relationship with him.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
I like Hayden Fry.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Yeah, were you running it up?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Lit? I don't know about that, you know, I still
remember what he said after the game. Was that and
no one knew he was retiring? That was to me,
his last game.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
They didn't know at that point.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
No, And he came in a big smile on his face,
and he and he shook my hand, fum his arm
around and he says, I hope you win all the
rest of your games, the rest of your career.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
And I thought that was a weird thing to say.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, that is he was going out to do.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Was out the door. What was the final of that game?
Guard forty nine? Who was your QB with that team?
Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Was that? Billy Cochran? But I don't know, Guard, You'll
find it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I know, I'm just asking. I mean, it's just good history.
So you won three times in a row Hayden's last year,
the first two years of Farence ninety nine and two
thousand and then lost five in a row before beating
them in two thousand and six in the final game
of the season. Okay, I was at a lot of
these games. I remember a lot, I was. I yeah,
I hope, so you remember only a few of them.
(01:54):
So he won three in a row, but not four
out of four. Well three in a row like bat.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
And you know, I don't mean excuse some of those years.
I was really good. Yes they were, that's true.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I mean really good. Oh man, they could and everything's
the defense they playing goody, great offense.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, did you have any idea you know Farens at
all when he came in. Were you like, we'll take
care of these guys.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No, I'm not like you, and that you're not wired
that way.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I have proper respect. I judge people after I met him,
get to know him. I don't make those decision.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know a lot of people say you know that
Perrero is a jerk. I said, do you know him?
And they said no. I said, well, if you knew them,
you didn't even think worse of them.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know, that's not that's not very kind. I've stuck
up for you a lot lately too. I think I'm
gonna have to stop doing. Obviously, you got a lot
to make up for, you think, so, oh yeah, well
I would. I would submit that of the two of us,
Royce has more to make up than I do. I
would argue I made up a lot of it by
giving you this audience that has allowed you to transform
(03:03):
your image that's in.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
The state of Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I appreciate that more this I've saved your life. Yeah,
you really did. I'm just saying I don't know what
I would have done with that.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You would you know what. In fact, I'm not even
convinced you'd still be living here. That has nothing to
do with it. I think I think.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There's a good chance you have say it wrong because
you would have just you would just would have would
have faded into obscurity and you'd have said, I'm just
might as well leave here.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Now you have reason to be here because of us. No,
that's nos.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Grandchildren, that's that's secondary. Yeah, grandkids.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know what, I've lived in Minnesota obviously longer than
any place, and is a me too. You moved around
a lot, you know, I mean a lot, and then
you're here, and all of a sudden you realize, you know,
you've made some friends like it here. Kids are here,
grandkids here. You need some place, You need a reason
(03:58):
to go someplace, if you know what I'm saying. Yes,
and uh, I just wasn't of the nature just to
pull everything up and move someplace because the weather was
a little bit better, or what taxes we're a little
lower whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I'm not saying I wouldn't have done that. But you're
not Louie, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, No, I am not Louis. I guarantee that. But
so so you know what, So now I'm kind of
one of us? Is that how you say it? I'm
as much one of us as you will?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Well, you're well, no, I'm getting I don't talk about years.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm talking to you.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
No, let me finish. You are so defensive.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
What I was going to say is I think you're
you're considered more one of us than I am because
you coached the University of Minnesota. That will even if
I've been here longer, I think that will give you,
in most people's eyes, the edge. I don't know if
you're ever going to be grandfathered in totally. But I'm
just saying, but.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I get out and I talk to the people face
to face, just not in the airwaves. You know, I'm
a man of the people.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Now, I'm not sure i'd go that far. Yes, I
am guardsy man of the people. I mean, he has
his morning dog Club, he's got his runners, he's got
buried the vest.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You want me to run for public office?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
That's true that this isn't a Rubik's cube.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
You love that situation because they all worship you. You
love You love being in places where you're being worshiped.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know what you want to combine there. Sometimes I
take a lot of grief. You know what, do you
ever hear the term familiarity breeds can take? Yes?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I know it very well.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean that's why we don't do this year round
like you want to exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
People get to know you and all of a sudden
that respect level goes way down.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Here's your toss up question.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, will you ask Mace this is from six' five
to one, guy how that happened To minnesota On? Saturday
did he have any games as inexplicable as that?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
One that's kind of a loaded.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Question yes it. IS i didn't see it. COMING i
got to be.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Honest IF i was on this show last week AND
i was, Saying i'm not a, gambler but IF i,
Was i'd be taking the golfers Against. Iowa AND i,
thought because seven and a half or, eight it was almost,
ten AND i, Thought iowa can't. Score they play good,
defense but they can't. Score and as we talked before the,
(06:18):
Show iowa was better THAN i thought they. Were and
even Though minnesota faith will rush the field Beating, NEBRASKA
i was of the Nature nebraska wasn't a twenty five.
Team they weren't coming, in and they sure weren't coming.
OUT i don't know what all the hoopo over that,
was but you, know it gets down, to you, know some.
(06:40):
Basics they didn't control the line of, scrimmage offense or.
Defense and WHEN i watch, GAMES i really am. NONPARTISAN
i don't care Who I'M i kind of watched from
it and a lot of Times i'm looking at, All,
right IF i was still coaching AND i was playing this,
team what's my evaluation? Now when you're watching as a,
(07:03):
spectator you're valuing both teams at. Once AND i was
unimpressed with The gopher offense and defensive, line AND i
was really impressed with iowas offense and defense. Line the
other thing that really got me was That iowa was
defense highly aggressive and. TOUGH i, MEAN i don't know
(07:28):
how you describe the word, tough but you know when
you see, It, yeah AND i saw it on THAT.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Tv, YEAH i totally. Agree this is a follow up.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Question while The gopher season has been typical of many recent,
years they, well they pray to sweet the non, conference
move on to survive against the bottom Of Big ten
while getting blown out by the powers at the top
and reach a low level bowl.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Games is there.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
ANYTHING pj or the university can do to change that
pattern and make The university Of minnesota the Next Indiana.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
University that's, well first of, ALL i, Know i'd like
to know How indiana did. IT i, mean that's one
of the greatest stories out, there going.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Maybe parallel By. Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Me we were talking About vanderbilt and there only have
one loss in the. Season they Beat missouri last. Week
it was a top ten. TEAM i. THINK i don't,
REALLY i don't, know because you would Know indiana better
THAN i would because you're a lump. There but for
years they had, glimpses but they were very short and
(08:37):
they weren't really very, bright with the exception of sixty
seven With John pott when they went to The Rose
bowl and all of a, sudden not only did they get,
respectful they got really good and people weren't giving them
due credit because they Were. Indiana if they were playing and,
Scoring i'm saying about a year ago and this year
(09:00):
and their name Was Ohio state Or michigan Or southern
cal people would say they're the. Best now they're ranked number,
Two but the way that they're playing and everything get.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Out they deserve to be number. Two let's stay on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
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Speaker 5 (09:39):
For Baton, Rouge.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Louisiana that's, Next jody, Writes lshu Job dan Tell mace
that if he gets hired In Baton, rouge don't put
tomatoes in your.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Gumbo don't put tomatoes in your?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Gumbo is that considered For? BOLTON i have no idea
at are you a great? GUMBOM i don't make, it,
though order?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
IT i love? It, yeah pretty attractive. Job any?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Thoughts you Know i'm not interested in coaching any.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Anymore could you create A southern?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Accent?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Though you think you could because Your jersey?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Guy but you think you could manufacture A southern accent
Like Brian kelly?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
DID i don't know why anybody who wanted to do
That brewster did. It is he from Your jersey? TOO
i know The southern coaching, ACCENT i know. IT i
don't know what's wrong with those. GUYS i don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
WHY i can understand people trying to act like they're
talk like they're From New, Jersey but why if you're
From New, jersey would you want to talk like you're
From louisiana or at some? Point, no here's my. Deal
louisiana is a great. Job the three previous coach were
won national champions right you know? Why they got unbelievable
(11:04):
players in the state Of, louisiana lots of, Them i'm telling.
You and but it's not the pressure of the job
everything like. That but what's taken place right? Now? DAN
i always, thought you, know you go out and your
fundraise and get people. Involved and my view always used
to be with these big time guys IS i want your,
(11:26):
money BUT i don't want your two. Cents and WHAT
i mean by that it's fine to support the, program but,
no you're not going to tell us how we're going
to run the. Program and what's happening in college athletics
not just with the, boosters but these presidents and ads
have let the shoe people the power of, people and
(11:46):
most importantly.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
THE tv people in and they tell you how you're
to run your.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Business and now with the nil with getting, money these,
guys really rich, guys throw money at program because they
want to win at any, cost because they're living their
life through that. Program if they're going to give you
all that, money they're going to tell. YOU i. Saw
(12:11):
i'm not saying That. Kelly i'm not saying the reason
That kelly got fired was just because he lost the.
GAME i don't think the ad did. IT i saw
where the governor got. Involved we're going to get that.
Man maybe the guy why the governor got involved because
some guy that's given the governor a lot of money,
(12:32):
says you know, what if you don't get that coach
out of, There i'm not gonna donate to your next.
Election so What i'm saying these third party people start
running your. Job who wants to do? That the other
thing was people used to, ask And i'm not SAYING
i ever had an, opportunity but, say, hey did you
ever have any interesting Coaching pro? Football AND i said,
NO i really. DIDN'T i, said why money's so much
(12:53):
better this, Say i'll tell you. WHY i, said because
at LEAST i get to run my. TEAM i get
to pick my, COACHES i get to.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Hire and fire.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
HIM i get to recruit my players and then decide who.
PLAYS i don't have some guy coming out of some
other office or a general manager in order coming SAYING
i want you to Play Billy bob And i'm saying,
No Jimmy joe is. BETTER i don't care you're playing
the other. GUY i couldn't deal with.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
That why Does Brian kelly rub from many people the wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Way because he's? Obnoxious, no he's got and he appears
to be. Obnoxious let's put it that. Way he's. Not you,
know sometimes you see some guys and you, think you,
know there's a there's a. Guy, OKAY i want to
say On channel five he does the weather.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
LOCALLY i love watching.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Him you like.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Why he's a friendly. Guy you know you see. Geez
it's just you.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
KNOW i don't.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
CARE i don't care if he's saying it's in a
snow array like his.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Delivery, yesh it's it's he's a likable. Guy, well the
way That Brian, kelly especially on the. SIDELINE i you,
know when he was At Notre. Dame there for years
he was a raving, maniac and then towards the end
he'd stand there like he was a. MUMMY i, thought,
well maybe maybe he was taking some medication or, So
i'm serious making an. Accusation but it was totally different
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because his outbursts were.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Bad but when you were around Coach.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Kelly my first introduction to, HIM i was coaching The
East West game and he had won some CHAMPIONSHIP i
want to say A Grand Valley. STATE i think that's
where he. Was and because of, that he got invited
to coach. Too and you, know you had not, myself
but you had some who's who's coaching on this. Staff
(14:43):
Mac brown was, There Larry kocher won the national Championship.
Miami he was. There prewitt was there From West virginia
winning a championship down, there and And Brian kelly was.
There AND i remember the guy, saying who is this?
Guy you know it was kind of a, no, yeah all,
right but he could. COACH i mean he won, there
(15:04):
he won a century won In. Cincinnati he broke New
rockney's record At Notre dame because he was, there you,
know long. Enough but he didn't win a national, championship
so he. DID i think he just people look at.
It he's not like the weather.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Guy, no that's a good. Contrast you mentioned the.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Governor this is just from within the last, hour the
governor of The Great state Of, Louisiana Jeff.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Landry.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Quote, NO i can tell you right Now scott woodward
who is THE, lsuad will not be selecting the next
coach AT. Lsu The board Of, supervisors as picked by the,
way by The Louisiana, governor is going to come up
with a committee and they're going to find us a football.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Coach how?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Fitting that doesn't that explain? Everything? Well, yeah WELL i
would say.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
This, OKAY i don't Know Scott, warder but he was
AT a AND m when they hired Jimbo. Fisher it
didn't work out too. Good he probably saw the posse
come so he. Left he Went.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Toells you think what it was that that was a.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Seventy five or seventy seven MILLION i think it was
the allion dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Buyout so he rides his pony down To Baton rouge
and they let him Hire Brian, kelly of which a
lot of people you know kind of really you, know
does he fit down? There is he AN sec? Guy
and now the buyouts fifty four? Million so now you're
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the A. D but if you don't get to pick the,
coach and what is your? Job what more important job
could you have as AN A d than select a
football you, know if you if you fire somebody didn't
hire a, dud THE ad should lose his, job don't you,
think no, question what do you think about?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
THAT i just think In louisiana the rules are, different
and the governor is just, saying, well happy for the.
Ad it's too important a decision to leave to THE
ad was supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It IF i IF i Was Scott ordard and his wife,
says you, know don't think about the redecorating the, House
i'd say not so, fast.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Sweetheart his buyouts fifty fifty one in that.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Range, yeah so.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The last two coaches he's, hired one hundred and twenty
million has cost the.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Schools it's.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Crazy somebody, said who DID i see interviewed just this past?
Week who's the uh now the national guy who made
a name for himself covering sec. Stuff who's on his
stall fine, bump the guy who was still talking about
running for. SCENT i don't if he's still talk about
running for. Senate he named is It? Sexton he basically
said the agent who basically because the question was it
(17:42):
Was Rich eisen with, him And rich, said how how
did we get to this place in the? Buyouts and he,
Said i'll give you the one.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Name It's.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Sexty he. Said he's the guy who almost on every one.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Of these.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Basically is so intimidating and it's such a mismatch in
his favor over most these ads that he just steamrolls
them and they ultimately feel like we got to sign this.
Guy and he keeps asking for stuff and they keep saying,
yes and that he's the guy who has really started this.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Momentum By Jimmy, sexon it's a great.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Story he went To.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Tennessee he was At tennessee the same time That Reggie white.
Was they lived on the same floor the. Dorm and
obviously sex is a smart. Guy he used to Help
Reggie white out academically on some. Things you. Know so
Now Reggie white he gets he gets drafted and he
goes to sext and he, says, HEY i want you,
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hell you're the smartest GUY i. Know help me out with, this,
Okay and that's how he got. Started and then it
just you, know it started.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Going and going and.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Going and then you know a lot of guys that
he represents in the sec or descendants Of Nick, saban
and he Represents Nick. Saban and it was in genius
what he did With Nick. Saban After Nick saban won
the national championship At, lsure we redid his contract and
he put in this contract that he would be the
highest paid football coach in the, country so that every
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time time somebody else got, Hired nick got a one
dollar more than that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
GUY i don't know If i've asked you this, before
because we've probably run the getting you back to becoming
a coach then into the.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
GROUND i, grant, oh there's no doubt about, it but
ALL i know you're out of it at this. POINT
i get that you've moved. On but was there ever
a point forget the coaching? Part was there ever a
point BECAUSE i know you have such strong opinions about
the way these athletic department operations are. Run were you
ever tempted to go to a, place maybe even it
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wouldn't be a top ten program, early but to go
to a place to run the athletic. Department do you
ever have any athletic director interest post?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Coaching?
Speaker 5 (19:50):
No how come or why?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
NOT i don't because as a football, coach you.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Know, yeah but you know how this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
RUNS i understand, THAT i really do understand. That but
the the commitment that it takes to be, really really
really good in, FOOTBALL i think probably any place THAT
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i would have gone with the idea that Well i'm
a football gap right at the football, going but you're
gonna be THE, ad it would have looked like THAT
i was Robbing peter to Pay pau all the time
to take care of.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Football you don't understand SAYING.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I don't. KNOW i JUST i would have liked to
have done, it BECAUSE i THINK i could have gone
out and sold the. PROGRAM i think right now that
the main function of AN ad right, now because of
the costs and everything with THE nil, man if you
ain't out there every, day you not somebody, else not
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some board or growth that you, have you out there
going to the people because the A d just like
the football coach can open.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Doors that some guys that's on me AND.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I l committee and they only know that you can't
get in that door selling what you're trying to.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Do that is a full time.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Job do we? Know what's?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
That what's the?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
History how Did alvarez go from being the coach to
being a d what's that?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Story do you know the?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Story, well he had obviously he had great success At.
Wisconsin he turned the program down AND i, think, uh
he had opportunities to leave over the, years and he
wasn't going to, leave and he had an extra. STRATEGY
i don't know this, right don't. YOU i thought you
were you were you were marketing this. Program you Had
alpais on. Today we could ask, him is you? On, well,
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well you don't get it done because you didn't. Help
we're working on, okay working on. It, okay you didn't
get your job the right. GUARDS i heard, YOU i
heard you were you were advertising and it was beyond.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Advertising hared you for Being, okay, SUPPORT i got.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Side that's the Sac SO i think he developed a
strad with those. People Hey i'm going to. Stay i'm
not going to coach. Forever, uh but, UH i love
what Was i've got a vision here to keep this thing.
Going and So i'd like to be THE A d
and football coach and then IN x number of, Years
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i'm going to give up football And i'm just going
to be THE A. D reason, being you Think alvarez
could open every door that he wanted to talk just
WHAT i was talking. About he had a, name he
could connect with. People, Oh Barry, Alvas Oh i'll take. That, hey,
listen we need some. Help we did, this can you
help us out? There and SO i thought that was.
(22:42):
Ingenius NOW i Asked barry this question'll ta. THIS i, Said,
barry how's it? Going great to talk about this with?
Him how's how's? It how's it going being THE A?
D And he's talked about.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It you?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Know AND i, said, well how are the other sports
taken to the now that the football coach is now THE?
Ad and he, said, well that's really kind of, funny he.
Said first THING i did WAS i had a meeting
with every. Coach they love me because when Pack victor
is THE A, d the only thing he cared about
was football and. Basketball, really.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Did you ever have a chance to BE A d?
Here anybody ever come to? You LIKE kb Coachd, oh, no.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
You know the.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Answer, NO i.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
DON'T i MEAN i, ANSWER i could.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Have been a.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
FEELER i don't. Know it's possible you might not have been.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
INTERESTED i got relieved the.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Duties well, eventually, YEAH i get. That but you were.
Here how many years are you? HERE i was here ten?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Years ten.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Years that's.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
AMAZING i go back and you talk About. Iowa you,
KNOW i always had two football. Teaches you do since
nineteen sixty? Eight?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Two not quite seventy, Seven, Oh Hayden, fry he was late,
seventies nineteen seventy, eight maybe seventy.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Eight it's pretty, impressed that's, right Seventy i'm, sorry seventy.
Eight so but that's still pretty, impressive, right fifty?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Years and then how many d's are they? Had not
THAT i don't? Know, again VERY i mean you had
you Had Bump, elliott right?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, uh and then you had the guy who left
to go To Stanford bob, Bowlsby Bob. Bolsby and THEN
i DON'T i know the other guys there when they
had like four maybe.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right stabilities what you're talking we had four in a. Week,
well because you ran them. Out, YEAH i mean you're
tough to work. With man asking for. TVs, yeah, yeah high.
MAINTENANCE i mean might have something that you go to
the building that didn't have a monster truck rally.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
In is like you can't have. EVERYTHING i know.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
It that's that's.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Direct, NO i.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Did you don't talk ABOUT lsu. Though in ninety NINE
i got a call FROM.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Lsu really who was there? Then who was? Coaching?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
You remember the guy get fired must okay got fired
and uh So TOM o is the A d AND
i have all the respect the world.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
SMART i remember.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Yeah so, ANYWAY.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I agreed to talk to, them AND i flew To
chicago and met with the president In.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Chicago was that a big? Secret? Yeah, yeah telling?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Us and then uh so, anyway uh we, talked had
a nice, conversation AND i saw it a little bit
and they, said they, said what do you? Think AND i, said,
well you, Know i've been TO, lsu but having in
a long. Time they, said we're going back. Now once
you get in a jet and go with. Us AND i, said,
Geez i'd really like to go home and discuss it at,
home you, Know, Okay and THEN i came back AND
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i talked To tom And tom, says, well tell me
what's the number one reason why you'd wanted to Leave.
Minnesota AND i, Said, TOM i hate playing in that.
Dome it's. Depressing it's. TERRIBLE i can't stand. It it's
not college. Football And tom, said, well you know, WHAT
i really think you're on the right. Track that both
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of us working, together we keep it going like, that
we can get a stadium back on. Campus that's what
he told.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Me and that appealed to.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Me it really.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
DID i mean that could be that could be our.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
LEGACY i, said, okay, well Then Nick, Saban i'm not
saying they offered me the.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Job i'm not Saying Nick saban took the.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Job and Then Michigan state called me right away and.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
If that was the famous, quote and then the phone
rangs all answer.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And then president offered me the. Job he, DID i
want you to come. Here Nick saban's, left we want to,
know and they offered me sizeable money to go.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
There saw a, bump a, raise big.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Bump But Nick saban's staff wasn't leaving with. Him they
didn't want to go With. Nick and this guy wanted
me to keep the, staff not not, entirely but the,
WORDS i have to leave a big portion of my
guys here and go To. Michigan so we didn't get
any farther than. THAT i, said, Jeez i'm you, know
that's not the WAY i. Operate, again it goes back
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to If i'm going to run the, Program i'm going
to run the. Program. Okay If i'm a bad, okay
it's my it's my. Fault BUT i don't want to
take grief when someone else is making the.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Decisions so.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
What was the?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Question did we know?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
THIS i.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
DIDN'T i was going to say this would be, great
BUT i knew there was a phone call For Michigan.
State BUT i don't remember. Hearing Maybe i'm just my
memory is.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
BAD i don't remember this being that being you being
this specific about how it went beyond.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
That, well it was it was Quick bank, Bank, yeah, okay,
yeah but that's WHAT i. Did and so were you?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
TEMPTED i, mean because it is an ideal to take
somebody else's. STAB i get, that we, Go i'm losing
control from the, Beginning But Big bomp probably capable, coaches,
right and you, GO i.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Was not interested because the conditions were being dictated to. Me,
right you follow What i'm, SAYING i. Do it.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Wasn't but the situation here wasn't. IDEAL i know, that
but it.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Wasn't if it would have, BEEN i might have been
a little bit more Interested, dan if he were to. Sit,
boy we got a really good staff here and they
don't want to go with saving because they don't want
to work with. It, right you ought to come and
interview where when they? Go he offered, them you need
to interview. Them but any what he.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Said, yeah he said you got to keep, Them you
got to keep that's.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Different. Yeah do you think if he had said the
OTHER i don't.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Know i'm just. Speculating i'm just that. Turned we didn't get?
That what did what?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Did what did you get From?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Mo in?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Return you got a bump by? Someone well that was
already that was already in the, works but it.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Was it was only in the work before, that before that,
overture before all that, stuff and that was.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You didn't try to get another bump at that. Point,
NO i did. Not and that was and that wasn't
come From Tom.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Mow that was come From Mark udolf Because Mark udoff called, Me,
UH i knew EXACTLY i was on camp as my
phone rang is what this? Is and he, Said, HEY
i just want to talk to. You he, said, uh
meeting with the. Staff, uh we're not paying you enough
by what you've, done what you've, accomplished And i'm going
to just tell you we're gonna put something together that
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you're going to be happy.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
With you just got to trust, Us AND i was.
Happy how much more was the mission state?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Offer? Significant like another? Mill, no.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
We weren't talking in terms back then like.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
That are you?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Crazy, yeah it's a long time ago, here, right you, know.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Really that's that's you know WHAT i tell you, KNOW
i was, THINKING i got to tell you. That you,
Know i'm a great on. Stories CAN i tell you a?
Story that's your?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Show, Obviously i'm just here for the, RIDE i.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Know but, anyway how things have changed WHEN i went
to go, ahead WHEN i went To, Kansas, yeah, okay
big eight conference, people if you mean the big Big,
yeah you Know, oklahoma you got. It it.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Was it was.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The best football conference going out and nothing was too. Good,
WELL i go To. Kansas selity's are bad, programs bad
and we practiced By Allen, fieldhouse Cal, pasture bad practice.
Fields we didn't have an Indoor, fieldhouse and if it,
rained the fields were. Bad we had to practice in the.
Stadium and this stadium was Up Jayhawk, boulevard a hill
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From Allen Field house through.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Campus and Down, mississippi which.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Is a steep hill down to the. Stadium, well the
way we transported we had these two old school, buses
one yellow and one. Blue not only, THAT i had
to get two coaches get special driving license to drive the. Buses. Coaches,
okay so one day it's, raining you, know we packed
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only two these we pack them in. There of, Course
i'm on the first, bus yellow, one and we go
up the hill down go to the, stadium AND i
would wait for the second. One they're coming over because
they're all of a Sudd and here comes the blue.
Bus And i'm standing there watching it come Down mississippi
And i'm, saying and two Guysmember Mitch brown and he drove.
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One the other guy was a guy with. McCartney he
was a. GA i, Said connie's going. Fast he goes
right by the stadium AND i, go what is that
crazy guy? Doing and he keeps. GOING i think he's being.
Funny players, said let's mess around with. Coach you, know
and he keeps going on And i'm getting. MAD i get.
IT i, Said i'm gonna kill. Him i'm gonna fire
(31:28):
him on the.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Spot is he? Crazy, well about fifteen minutes later here
comes To team. RUNNING i, go, mccartny what do you do?
It he, says we lost our?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Breaks oh, man that's. Serious that came down the hill
and had to cross two major. STREETS i, mean and
then after the two major streets it flattens, out and
he took it all the way to the river and
stopped it in the grass of the river and they
had to run back big time.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Footing did you did you demand new, buses new, breaks
new breaks at?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Least oh, yeah good.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Budget More mace stories will be a Spun more mace.
Yarns let's get one more pause in and maybe we'll
talk a little bit About big ten games this week as.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well time now for The Vikings report on The, fan
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Speaker 4 (32:21):
Man let's remind folks That mace In Your face is
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Speaker 3 (32:35):
The to the.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Bit you know, WHAT i really.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Appreciate what's that if after this show.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
And Today i'd even hang.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
AROUND i don't believe you call if we get guards
he called carry. Limo, yeah Don, anderson get the carry
limo here and go over To jackson and see.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
You by you by? Dinner you buyas. Dinner now you're
turned to buy, it are you?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Not?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
So the is IF i understand the sequence, here you
savage the crap out of me and THEN i am
supposed to.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Respond but, Hey i'll let me buy your. Dinner that
seems really. FINE i just don't go to dinner with.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Anything OH i, SEE i see that explains the price
to go With. Mason all, right let me ask you
this because we're in a round out of time AND
i definitely wanted to get to.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
THIS i meant to get to.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
It, okay if you are Coaching Carson, wentz.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Does he?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Finished does he stay in that game as long as
he did for The?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Vikings absolutely. Not And i've never coached pro, football AND
i know that there's a. Difference BUT i and we've
talked about this. FAR i always prided. MYSELF i always
try to remind myself of making Decisions i'm going to
coach someone else's kid to wad coach my own. Kid
AND i watched that game and it was painful to
watch the Young i'm gonna say young, man the man,
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too the. Player he looked like he was in unbelievable.
Pain he really.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Was i'm not a.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
DOCTOR i don't know what the medical staff was saying to.
Him you, know in pro, football if the guy gets
back a little bump in the, HEAD i mean they
stop it, down someone takes him. Out YOU i don't
know they have medical. Advisors you think the medical advisor
watching that game, say, oh you, know maybe his head's,
okay but he is not. Okay and you, know WHEN
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i was coaching all those, YEARS i never OVER i
shouldn't SAY i over ruled, doctors but not letting a kid. Play.
Never if they said he couldn't, play he couln't play that,
Right AND i remember that didn't happen a lot because
of the medical staff the places that were really. Good
BUT i REMEMBER i, Said, kansas when you were playing At, missouri,
(34:48):
Tip hillary is my quarterback and he got a head
bump or.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
WHATEVER i don't know if it's a concussion or. Not
you know in those.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Days, well he, did, hey hold up fingers and if
you said, two you put him back in the. Game
and he said he was, okay and the doctor's. Okay
AND i looked at. Him was on a call play
AND i said, no and he was. UPSET i said,
no AND i, said he just doesn't look. RIGHT i
rather air on the side of caution and watching him.
(35:15):
PLAY i don't know if he could heard. It FOR
i heard your story, BEFORE i don't know if he
could heard it. Further and that type of pain you
shouldn't be. Playing you really.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
SHOULDN'T i. Agree, NOW a text writes.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
When you have a situation which adults are, involved he,
writes if it was, children maybe even a college, level
the coach would have more. Responsibility but after, All carson's an.
Adult what do you say to that part.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Player is a, player coach is a. COACH i think
the number one responsibility of a coach at any, level, pro,
college high, school pee, weee whatever you want to call,
it is the safety of your. Players, now he may
disagree with, Me i'm just telling you that's my.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Philosophy i'm with a one hundred percent on this. ONE
i have as much AS i hate agreeing with.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
You you had what?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Else you?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Had something? ELSE i want to talk Quickly Gophers Michigan.
State it's the old you got to rebound fast, here,
Right you got to get that out of your.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Mouth, YEAH i think you, know that's obviously a very disappointing.
Game the old, saying don't let one team beat you
twice because you should Be Michigan state playing at.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Home you're a Favorite Michigan. STATES i think in the
conference from, numbers not a not.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
A good football. Team you got to win this one
otherwise you make that lost even.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Worse, So, uh they've got to do.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
It you, know it's. Amazing there's some really interesting stories out.
There we talked About, indiana and we talked About. Vanderbilt
vanderbilt Plays texas this. Week you don't think that All
sarkisian down that Long horns aren't a little. Nervous he's
already got two. Losses you can't lose The vanderbilt and
you get. Three how About navy The midshipman they're, Undefeated, uh,
(36:58):
obviously and they're Playing North axus seven and.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
ONE i don't think about Dorth.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Texas, uh, REALLY i think a sneaky team Is. Cincinnati
now you saw What utah did To. Colorado they destroyed.
Him they Play cincinnati this. Week, cincinnatily you, know has one,
loss and then is the wounded animal Of Penn state
dangerous to The Ohio state.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Buck, GUYS i don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
That game's In. COLUMBUS i, think isn't? It they Host
indiana Does Penn state the next? Week BUT i THINK
i Think guardia Is indiana Is Penn State Ohio. State
that's In, columbus isn't. It i'm your double check, it,
yeah double check just to.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
See by the, way A texter wants to know what
your buyout is for this?
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Show what is The Glenn may in your? Contract what's the?
Buyout you mean IF i get?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Fired?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, yeah that or if somebody wants to come after
you and we, say, okay here's what you have to.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Pay yeah well, no, yeah that question would. HAPPENED i left, you.
Guys i'm under contract with yea with you.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
GUYS i don't. Know it's probably better be the fine.
PRINT i don't, know better look at. It it's In,
columbus it's at the. Shoe and speaking Of mason's, compensation
he mentioned the president was a, president you'd, off, yeah
mark you. Off we also had our, president our market
president called put together a meeting and said we've looked
At mace and what he, provides and we think we're
(38:25):
paying him exactly what we should pay. Him it was
a little different than the other. Way so we think it's.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
A very fair it's fair.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And reasonable off for fairs where you get a pig In.
August we know, that and so we think so we've revisited,
it and we think we're giving him exactly what he.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
DESERVES i got to ask you guys. Something, okay did
you watch The Alabama South carolina?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
GAME i did, not SO.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I i MEAN i was flipping AND i saw Where
South carolina was Winning alabama the ball they scored right
at the, END i don't, know a minute left or
something like, that and it went for two and, god
and SO i forgot it's going. Overtime next, THING i,
know Al obama one in, Regulation so sounds kind of
must have funneled the ball through an.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
INTERCEPTION i don't.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Know you, know guards he should, know he's the college football,
guy but he's too busy to he's being distracted by
our five, No. Kessler i'm actually Even kessler in. Here
we're breaking a lot of things. Down oh you, ARE i,
MEAN i was busy on. SIDE i have to work at.
IT i did not watch that game at. All and
you're our college football expert coach.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Approached prime had a rough.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Day, yeah, well he, said reality is setting in a.
Life that's the worst whooping he ever got since his
mother whooped.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Him, yeah that's not.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Good fifty three to.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Seven that was the.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
FINAL i, think so fifty three.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Sad how about My Kent State Golden what they do
they beat Bag Eddie, george The Heisman trophy? Winner did they? Really?
Yeah they beat. Him i'd be a big. UPSET bg
is in bowling. Green. Yeah. Oh and then the other thing,
said note, though Like jayhawks got thumped By Kansas.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
STATE i thought they were on the way on the comeback.
Trail were and they played at home and got thumb oo.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Football that was a funny, Game, Mas as you, know
goes week to. Week ALL i care about is whether
My hoosiers can take care of business At. Maryland i'm
worried about that, game and and they're At Penn. State
those are trap games for The. Hoosiers, yeah after That
Wisconsin purdue and they're if they're they're they're home. Free
that's when you know what that'll be their brisk biggest.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Risk i'm telling, you, yes everybody coming after. You when
you hit by THOSE i, say, oh well we Got.
Wisconsin they. Can't that's because you, know when you're dealing
with kids.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Traps, yeah you're, right watch. Out season's long to run
the table these days especially.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Hard. Yeah it really if you look at the number
of times any team has run the table in The Big, ten.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Not as many as you.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Think South carolina fumbled on their own forty is what
one texture is telling.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Us does that make sense.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
THAT i knew had to be a fumbler.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Interception they fumbled at their own forty H i had one. Other,
well they're agreeing with, You. Mace this is from Texter
My cheeters. ON i can't See Nathan maces's one hundred
percent of ride as a coach is a responsibility protect
the player from the cells when the player is. Unable
athletes are told and trained to play through everything and
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only come off the field the coach tells you, to
or if you literally cannot walk out.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
There, YEAH i.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Agree I'm i'm still stunned that they went the way they.
Did we all know now it's JJ's, team right because
Now carson had the, surgery so it's he's, done he's,
gone AND jj is, starting And guardsy's, Guy brozmur's the.
Backup they brought in a veteran whose name escapes, me
who used to work H, kfc worked with him with The.
RAMS i don't even remember his. Name it is worth
(41:44):
noting although this might be, No i've never heard of this.
Quarterback he's not HYPHEN i don't. REMEMBER i don't. Remember
WHAT i do also, know and this will probably be
part of the top five to five is the news
On Van ginkel is suddenly much more. Positive he's acting
like his intention is to play On sunday In. Detroit
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AND i think the betting line was he's out for
a while. Long he's had the neck, issue so that
would be a big bonus. Help that's a tough game
In detroit.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Though and did you See Aiden hutcheson got a contract
extension lots of money.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And didn't he miss one of the two games he
missed at least one of the two games AGAINST us last.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Year, yes he.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Did the good thing is we got a really stable offensive.
Line you know that that regardless of so we shouldn't
have any.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Problem handling being, SARCASTIC a.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Little, sarcastic you. Know that's why you learned that from.
Me the, sarcasm you KNOW i have the sarcasm. Gene
you love?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
It?
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Yeah ARE i going To?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
How are you? Nuts you? Know the sarcasm is the
lowest form of. Humor did you know? That is? It? Really?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah going to you because you didn't like to be
on the wrong end of? It thanks for coming. In
are you back next? Week are back In?
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Fargo?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
No, No i'm?
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Back is The fargo experiment over a?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
While going? Strong, okay go?
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Strong good now at least last, time at least last
time you.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Checked top five will Include, vikings injury updates and what,
Else Wolves, Preview Wolves, wild And.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Wentz
It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face now.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Along with college Football Immortality, Glenn Mason, Here's Dan Burrero.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Mace. Is this true?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Barry from Blaine writes, will you ask Mace if he
can impart to us the feeling of beating Iowa four
times in six years?
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Hard to remember what that must have been like? Did
you do that? I don't remember that four times in
six that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
That seems like a lot.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Ask Glenn about the ninety eight Minnesota of Iowa game.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Hold on, let me scroll down here real quick.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
That was here blowed.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh, Hayden Fry's last game. Yeah, we killed you killed
him in that game?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Killed him.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You were merciless? Were you running up the score on
Hayden Fry? Thought you had a good relationship with him.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
I like Hayden Fry.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Yeah, were you running it up?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Lit? I don't know about that, you know, I still
remember what he said after the game. Was that and
no one knew he was retiring? That was to me,
his last game.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
They didn't know at that point.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
No, And he came in a big smile on his face,
and he and he shook my hand, fum his arm
around and he says, I hope you win all the
rest of your games, the rest of your career.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
And I thought that was a weird thing to say.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, that is he was going out to do.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Was out the door. What was the final of that game?
Guard forty nine? Who was your QB with that team?
Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Was that? Billy Cochran? But I don't know, Guard, You'll
find it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I know, I'm just asking. I mean, it's just good history.
So you won three times in a row Hayden's last year,
the first two years of Farence ninety nine and two
thousand and then lost five in a row before beating
them in two thousand and six in the final game
of the season. Okay, I was at a lot of
these games. I remember a lot, I was. I yeah,
I hope, so you remember only a few of them.
(01:54):
So he won three in a row, but not four
out of four. Well three in a row like bat.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
And you know, I don't mean excuse some of those years.
I was really good. Yes they were, that's true.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I mean really good. Oh man, they could and everything's
the defense they playing goody, great offense.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, did you have any idea you know Farens at
all when he came in. Were you like, we'll take
care of these guys.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No, I'm not like you, and that you're not wired
that way.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I have proper respect. I judge people after I met him,
get to know him. I don't make those decision.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know a lot of people say you know that
Perrero is a jerk. I said, do you know him?
And they said no. I said, well, if you knew them,
you didn't even think worse of them.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know, that's not that's not very kind. I've stuck
up for you a lot lately too. I think I'm
gonna have to stop doing. Obviously, you got a lot
to make up for, you think, so, oh yeah, well
I would. I would submit that of the two of us,
Royce has more to make up than I do. I
would argue I made up a lot of it by
giving you this audience that has allowed you to transform
(03:03):
your image that's in.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
The state of Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I appreciate that more this I've saved your life. Yeah,
you really did. I'm just saying I don't know what
I would have done with that.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You would you know what. In fact, I'm not even
convinced you'd still be living here. That has nothing to
do with it. I think I think.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There's a good chance you have say it wrong because
you would have just you would just would have would
have faded into obscurity and you'd have said, I'm just
might as well leave here.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Now you have reason to be here because of us. No,
that's nos.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Grandchildren, that's that's secondary. Yeah, grandkids.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know what, I've lived in Minnesota obviously longer than
any place, and is a me too. You moved around
a lot, you know, I mean a lot, and then
you're here, and all of a sudden you realize, you know,
you've made some friends like it here. Kids are here,
grandkids here. You need some place, You need a reason
(03:58):
to go someplace, if you know what I'm saying. Yes,
and uh, I just wasn't of the nature just to
pull everything up and move someplace because the weather was
a little bit better, or what taxes we're a little
lower whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I'm not saying I wouldn't have done that. But you're
not Louie, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, No, I am not Louis. I guarantee that. But
so so you know what, So now I'm kind of
one of us? Is that how you say it? I'm
as much one of us as you will?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Well, you're well, no, I'm getting I don't talk about years.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm talking to you.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
No, let me finish. You are so defensive.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
What I was going to say is I think you're
you're considered more one of us than I am because
you coached the University of Minnesota. That will even if
I've been here longer, I think that will give you,
in most people's eyes, the edge. I don't know if
you're ever going to be grandfathered in totally. But I'm
just saying, but.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I get out and I talk to the people face
to face, just not in the airwaves. You know, I'm
a man of the people.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Now, I'm not sure i'd go that far. Yes, I
am guardsy man of the people. I mean, he has
his morning dog Club, he's got his runners, he's got
buried the vest.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You want me to run for public office?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
That's true that this isn't a Rubik's cube.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
You love that situation because they all worship you. You
love You love being in places where you're being worshiped.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know what you want to combine there. Sometimes I
take a lot of grief. You know what, do you
ever hear the term familiarity breeds can take? Yes?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I know it very well.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean that's why we don't do this year round
like you want to exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
People get to know you and all of a sudden
that respect level goes way down.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Here's your toss up question.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, will you ask Mace this is from six' five
to one, guy how that happened To minnesota On? Saturday
did he have any games as inexplicable as that?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
One that's kind of a loaded.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Question yes it. IS i didn't see it. COMING i
got to be.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Honest IF i was on this show last week AND
i was, Saying i'm not a, gambler but IF i,
Was i'd be taking the golfers Against. Iowa AND i,
thought because seven and a half or, eight it was almost,
ten AND i, Thought iowa can't. Score they play good,
defense but they can't. Score and as we talked before the,
(06:18):
Show iowa was better THAN i thought they. Were and
even Though minnesota faith will rush the field Beating, NEBRASKA
i was of the Nature nebraska wasn't a twenty five.
Team they weren't coming, in and they sure weren't coming.
OUT i don't know what all the hoopo over that,
was but you, know it gets down, to you, know some.
(06:40):
Basics they didn't control the line of, scrimmage offense or.
Defense and WHEN i watch, GAMES i really am. NONPARTISAN
i don't care Who I'M i kind of watched from
it and a lot of Times i'm looking at, All,
right IF i was still coaching AND i was playing this,
team what's my evaluation? Now when you're watching as a,
(07:03):
spectator you're valuing both teams at. Once AND i was
unimpressed with The gopher offense and defensive, line AND i
was really impressed with iowas offense and defense. Line the
other thing that really got me was That iowa was
defense highly aggressive and. TOUGH i, MEAN i don't know
(07:28):
how you describe the word, tough but you know when
you see, It, yeah AND i saw it on THAT.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Tv, YEAH i totally. Agree this is a follow up.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Question while The gopher season has been typical of many recent,
years they, well they pray to sweet the non, conference
move on to survive against the bottom Of Big ten
while getting blown out by the powers at the top
and reach a low level bowl.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Games is there.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
ANYTHING pj or the university can do to change that
pattern and make The university Of minnesota the Next Indiana.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
University that's, well first of, ALL i, Know i'd like
to know How indiana did. IT i, mean that's one
of the greatest stories out, there going.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Maybe parallel By. Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Me we were talking About vanderbilt and there only have
one loss in the. Season they Beat missouri last. Week
it was a top ten. TEAM i. THINK i don't,
REALLY i don't, know because you would Know indiana better
THAN i would because you're a lump. There but for
years they had, glimpses but they were very short and
(08:37):
they weren't really very, bright with the exception of sixty
seven With John pott when they went to The Rose
bowl and all of a, sudden not only did they get,
respectful they got really good and people weren't giving them
due credit because they Were. Indiana if they were playing and,
Scoring i'm saying about a year ago and this year
(09:00):
and their name Was Ohio state Or michigan Or southern
cal people would say they're the. Best now they're ranked number,
Two but the way that they're playing and everything get.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Out they deserve to be number. Two let's stay on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Schedule mace is with us for the, hour and let's
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throwing his hat in the ring.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
For Baton, Rouge.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Louisiana that's, Next jody, Writes lshu Job dan Tell mace
that if he gets hired In Baton, rouge don't put
tomatoes in your.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Gumbo don't put tomatoes in your?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Gumbo is that considered For? BOLTON i have no idea
at are you a great? GUMBOM i don't make, it,
though order?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
IT i love? It, yeah pretty attractive. Job any?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Thoughts you Know i'm not interested in coaching any.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Anymore could you create A southern?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Accent?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Though you think you could because Your jersey?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Guy but you think you could manufacture A southern accent
Like Brian kelly?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
DID i don't know why anybody who wanted to do
That brewster did. It is he from Your jersey? TOO
i know The southern coaching, ACCENT i know. IT i
don't know what's wrong with those. GUYS i don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
WHY i can understand people trying to act like they're
talk like they're From New, Jersey but why if you're
From New, jersey would you want to talk like you're
From louisiana or at some? Point, no here's my. Deal
louisiana is a great. Job the three previous coach were
won national champions right you know? Why they got unbelievable
(11:04):
players in the state Of, louisiana lots of, Them i'm telling.
You and but it's not the pressure of the job
everything like. That but what's taken place right? Now? DAN
i always, thought you, know you go out and your
fundraise and get people. Involved and my view always used
to be with these big time guys IS i want your,
(11:26):
money BUT i don't want your two. Cents and WHAT
i mean by that it's fine to support the, program but,
no you're not going to tell us how we're going
to run the. Program and what's happening in college athletics
not just with the, boosters but these presidents and ads
have let the shoe people the power of, people and
(11:46):
most importantly.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
THE tv people in and they tell you how you're
to run your.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Business and now with the nil with getting, money these,
guys really rich, guys throw money at program because they
want to win at any, cost because they're living their
life through that. Program if they're going to give you
all that, money they're going to tell. YOU i. Saw
(12:11):
i'm not saying That. Kelly i'm not saying the reason
That kelly got fired was just because he lost the.
GAME i don't think the ad did. IT i saw
where the governor got. Involved we're going to get that.
Man maybe the guy why the governor got involved because
some guy that's given the governor a lot of money,
(12:32):
says you know, what if you don't get that coach
out of, There i'm not gonna donate to your next.
Election so What i'm saying these third party people start
running your. Job who wants to do? That the other
thing was people used to, ask And i'm not SAYING
i ever had an, opportunity but, say, hey did you
ever have any interesting Coaching pro? Football AND i said,
NO i really. DIDN'T i, said why money's so much
(12:53):
better this, Say i'll tell you. WHY i, said because
at LEAST i get to run my. TEAM i get
to pick my, COACHES i get to.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Hire and fire.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
HIM i get to recruit my players and then decide who.
PLAYS i don't have some guy coming out of some
other office or a general manager in order coming SAYING
i want you to Play Billy bob And i'm saying,
No Jimmy joe is. BETTER i don't care you're playing
the other. GUY i couldn't deal with.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
That why Does Brian kelly rub from many people the wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Way because he's? Obnoxious, no he's got and he appears
to be. Obnoxious let's put it that. Way he's. Not you,
know sometimes you see some guys and you, think you,
know there's a there's a. Guy, OKAY i want to
say On channel five he does the weather.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
LOCALLY i love watching.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Him you like.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Why he's a friendly. Guy you know you see. Geez
it's just you.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
KNOW i don't.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
CARE i don't care if he's saying it's in a
snow array like his.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Delivery, yesh it's it's he's a likable. Guy, well the
way That Brian, kelly especially on the. SIDELINE i you,
know when he was At Notre. Dame there for years
he was a raving, maniac and then towards the end
he'd stand there like he was a. MUMMY i, thought,
well maybe maybe he was taking some medication or, So
i'm serious making an. Accusation but it was totally different
(14:17):
because his outbursts were.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Bad but when you were around Coach.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Kelly my first introduction to, HIM i was coaching The
East West game and he had won some CHAMPIONSHIP i
want to say A Grand Valley. STATE i think that's
where he. Was and because of, that he got invited
to coach. Too and you, know you had not, myself
but you had some who's who's coaching on this. Staff
(14:43):
Mac brown was, There Larry kocher won the national Championship.
Miami he was. There prewitt was there From West virginia
winning a championship down, there and And Brian kelly was.
There AND i remember the guy, saying who is this?
Guy you know it was kind of a, no, yeah all,
right but he could. COACH i mean he won, there
(15:04):
he won a century won In. Cincinnati he broke New
rockney's record At Notre dame because he was, there you,
know long. Enough but he didn't win a national, championship
so he. DID i think he just people look at.
It he's not like the weather.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Guy, no that's a good. Contrast you mentioned the.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Governor this is just from within the last, hour the
governor of The Great state Of, Louisiana Jeff.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Landry.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Quote, NO i can tell you right Now scott woodward
who is THE, lsuad will not be selecting the next
coach AT. Lsu The board Of, supervisors as picked by the,
way by The Louisiana, governor is going to come up
with a committee and they're going to find us a football.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Coach how?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Fitting that doesn't that explain? Everything? Well, yeah WELL i
would say.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
This, OKAY i don't Know Scott, warder but he was
AT a AND m when they hired Jimbo. Fisher it
didn't work out too. Good he probably saw the posse
come so he. Left he Went.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Toells you think what it was that that was a.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Seventy five or seventy seven MILLION i think it was
the allion dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Buyout so he rides his pony down To Baton rouge
and they let him Hire Brian, kelly of which a
lot of people you know kind of really you, know
does he fit down? There is he AN sec? Guy
and now the buyouts fifty four? Million so now you're
(16:35):
the A. D but if you don't get to pick the,
coach and what is your? Job what more important job
could you have as AN A d than select a
football you, know if you if you fire somebody didn't
hire a, dud THE ad should lose his, job don't you,
think no, question what do you think about?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
THAT i just think In louisiana the rules are, different
and the governor is just, saying, well happy for the.
Ad it's too important a decision to leave to THE
ad was supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It IF i IF i Was Scott ordard and his wife,
says you, know don't think about the redecorating the, House
i'd say not so, fast.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Sweetheart his buyouts fifty fifty one in that.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Range, yeah so.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The last two coaches he's, hired one hundred and twenty
million has cost the.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Schools it's.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Crazy somebody, said who DID i see interviewed just this past?
Week who's the uh now the national guy who made
a name for himself covering sec. Stuff who's on his
stall fine, bump the guy who was still talking about
running for. SCENT i don't if he's still talk about
running for. Senate he named is It? Sexton he basically
said the agent who basically because the question was it
(17:42):
Was Rich eisen with, him And rich, said how how
did we get to this place in the? Buyouts and he,
Said i'll give you the one.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Name It's.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Sexty he. Said he's the guy who almost on every one.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Of these.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Basically is so intimidating and it's such a mismatch in
his favor over most these ads that he just steamrolls
them and they ultimately feel like we got to sign this.
Guy and he keeps asking for stuff and they keep saying,
yes and that he's the guy who has really started this.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Momentum By Jimmy, sexon it's a great.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Story he went To.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Tennessee he was At tennessee the same time That Reggie white.
Was they lived on the same floor the. Dorm and
obviously sex is a smart. Guy he used to Help
Reggie white out academically on some. Things you. Know so
Now Reggie white he gets he gets drafted and he
goes to sext and he, says, HEY i want you,
(18:36):
hell you're the smartest GUY i. Know help me out with, this,
Okay and that's how he got. Started and then it
just you, know it started.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Going and going and.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Going and then you know a lot of guys that
he represents in the sec or descendants Of Nick, saban
and he Represents Nick. Saban and it was in genius
what he did With Nick. Saban After Nick saban won
the national championship At, lsure we redid his contract and
he put in this contract that he would be the
highest paid football coach in the, country so that every
(19:06):
time time somebody else got, Hired nick got a one
dollar more than that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
GUY i don't know If i've asked you this, before
because we've probably run the getting you back to becoming
a coach then into the.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
GROUND i, grant, oh there's no doubt about, it but
ALL i know you're out of it at this. POINT
i get that you've moved. On but was there ever
a point forget the coaching? Part was there ever a
point BECAUSE i know you have such strong opinions about
the way these athletic department operations are. Run were you
ever tempted to go to a, place maybe even it
(19:40):
wouldn't be a top ten program, early but to go
to a place to run the athletic. Department do you
ever have any athletic director interest post?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Coaching?
Speaker 5 (19:50):
No how come or why?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
NOT i don't because as a football, coach you.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Know, yeah but you know how this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
RUNS i understand, THAT i really do understand. That but
the the commitment that it takes to be, really really
really good in, FOOTBALL i think probably any place THAT
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i would have gone with the idea that Well i'm
a football gap right at the football, going but you're
gonna be THE, ad it would have looked like THAT
i was Robbing peter to Pay pau all the time
to take care of.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Football you don't understand SAYING.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I don't. KNOW i JUST i would have liked to
have done, it BECAUSE i THINK i could have gone
out and sold the. PROGRAM i think right now that
the main function of AN ad right, now because of
the costs and everything with THE nil, man if you
ain't out there every, day you not somebody, else not
(20:56):
some board or growth that you, have you out there
going to the people because the A d just like
the football coach can open.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Doors that some guys that's on me AND.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I l committee and they only know that you can't
get in that door selling what you're trying to.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Do that is a full time.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Job do we? Know what's?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
That what's the?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
History how Did alvarez go from being the coach to
being a d what's that?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Story do you know the?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Story, well he had obviously he had great success At.
Wisconsin he turned the program down AND i, think, uh
he had opportunities to leave over the, years and he
wasn't going to, leave and he had an extra. STRATEGY
i don't know this, right don't. YOU i thought you
were you were you were marketing this. Program you Had
alpais on. Today we could ask, him is you? On, well,
(21:44):
well you don't get it done because you didn't. Help
we're working on, okay working on. It, okay you didn't
get your job the right. GUARDS i heard, YOU i
heard you were you were advertising and it was beyond.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Advertising hared you for Being, okay, SUPPORT i got.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Side that's the Sac SO i think he developed a
strad with those. People Hey i'm going to. Stay i'm
not going to coach. Forever, uh but, UH i love
what Was i've got a vision here to keep this thing.
Going and So i'd like to be THE A d
and football coach and then IN x number of, Years
(22:22):
i'm going to give up football And i'm just going
to be THE A. D reason, being you Think alvarez
could open every door that he wanted to talk just
WHAT i was talking. About he had a, name he
could connect with. People, Oh Barry, Alvas Oh i'll take. That, hey,
listen we need some. Help we did, this can you
help us out? There and SO i thought that was.
(22:42):
Ingenius NOW i Asked barry this question'll ta. THIS i, Said,
barry how's it? Going great to talk about this with?
Him how's how's? It how's it going being THE A?
D And he's talked about.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It you?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Know AND i, said, well how are the other sports
taken to the now that the football coach is now THE?
Ad and he, said, well that's really kind of, funny he.
Said first THING i did WAS i had a meeting
with every. Coach they love me because when Pack victor
is THE A, d the only thing he cared about
was football and. Basketball, really.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Did you ever have a chance to BE A d?
Here anybody ever come to? You LIKE kb Coachd, oh, no.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
You know the.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Answer, NO i.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
DON'T i MEAN i, ANSWER i could.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Have been a.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
FEELER i don't. Know it's possible you might not have been.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
INTERESTED i got relieved the.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Duties well, eventually, YEAH i get. That but you were.
Here how many years are you? HERE i was here ten?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Years ten.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Years that's.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
AMAZING i go back and you talk About. Iowa you,
KNOW i always had two football. Teaches you do since
nineteen sixty? Eight?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Two not quite seventy, Seven, Oh Hayden, fry he was late,
seventies nineteen seventy, eight maybe seventy.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Eight it's pretty, impressed that's, right Seventy i'm, sorry seventy.
Eight so but that's still pretty, impressive, right fifty?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Years and then how many d's are they? Had not
THAT i don't? Know, again VERY i mean you had
you Had Bump, elliott right?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, uh and then you had the guy who left
to go To Stanford bob, Bowlsby Bob. Bolsby and THEN
i DON'T i know the other guys there when they
had like four maybe.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right stabilities what you're talking we had four in a. Week,
well because you ran them. Out, YEAH i mean you're
tough to work. With man asking for. TVs, yeah, yeah high.
MAINTENANCE i mean might have something that you go to
the building that didn't have a monster truck rally.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
In is like you can't have. EVERYTHING i know.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
It that's that's.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Direct, NO i.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Did you don't talk ABOUT lsu. Though in ninety NINE
i got a call FROM.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Lsu really who was there? Then who was? Coaching?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
You remember the guy get fired must okay got fired
and uh So TOM o is the A d AND
i have all the respect the world.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
SMART i remember.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Yeah so, ANYWAY.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I agreed to talk to, them AND i flew To
chicago and met with the president In.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Chicago was that a big? Secret? Yeah, yeah telling?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Us and then uh so, anyway uh we, talked had
a nice, conversation AND i saw it a little bit
and they, said they, said what do you? Think AND i, said,
well you, Know i've been TO, lsu but having in
a long. Time they, said we're going back. Now once
you get in a jet and go with. Us AND i, said,
Geez i'd really like to go home and discuss it at,
home you, Know, Okay and THEN i came back AND
(25:46):
i talked To tom And tom, says, well tell me
what's the number one reason why you'd wanted to Leave.
Minnesota AND i, Said, TOM i hate playing in that.
Dome it's. Depressing it's. TERRIBLE i can't stand. It it's
not college. Football And tom, said, well you know, WHAT
i really think you're on the right. Track that both
(26:07):
of us working, together we keep it going like, that
we can get a stadium back on. Campus that's what
he told.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Me and that appealed to.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Me it really.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
DID i mean that could be that could be our.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
LEGACY i, said, okay, well Then Nick, Saban i'm not
saying they offered me the.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Job i'm not Saying Nick saban took the.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Job and Then Michigan state called me right away and.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
If that was the famous, quote and then the phone
rangs all answer.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And then president offered me the. Job he, DID i
want you to come. Here Nick saban's, left we want to,
know and they offered me sizeable money to go.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
There saw a, bump a, raise big.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Bump But Nick saban's staff wasn't leaving with. Him they
didn't want to go With. Nick and this guy wanted
me to keep the, staff not not, entirely but the,
WORDS i have to leave a big portion of my
guys here and go To. Michigan so we didn't get
any farther than. THAT i, said, Jeez i'm you, know
that's not the WAY i. Operate, again it goes back
(27:07):
to If i'm going to run the, Program i'm going
to run the. Program. Okay If i'm a bad, okay
it's my it's my. Fault BUT i don't want to
take grief when someone else is making the.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Decisions so.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
What was the?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Question did we know?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
THIS i.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
DIDN'T i was going to say this would be, great
BUT i knew there was a phone call For Michigan.
State BUT i don't remember. Hearing Maybe i'm just my
memory is.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
BAD i don't remember this being that being you being
this specific about how it went beyond.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
That, well it was it was Quick bank, Bank, yeah, okay,
yeah but that's WHAT i. Did and so were you?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
TEMPTED i, mean because it is an ideal to take
somebody else's. STAB i get, that we, Go i'm losing
control from the, Beginning But Big bomp probably capable, coaches,
right and you, GO i.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Was not interested because the conditions were being dictated to. Me,
right you follow What i'm, SAYING i. Do it.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Wasn't but the situation here wasn't. IDEAL i know, that
but it.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Wasn't if it would have, BEEN i might have been
a little bit more Interested, dan if he were to. Sit,
boy we got a really good staff here and they
don't want to go with saving because they don't want
to work with. It, right you ought to come and
interview where when they? Go he offered, them you need
to interview. Them but any what he.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Said, yeah he said you got to keep, Them you
got to keep that's.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Different. Yeah do you think if he had said the
OTHER i don't.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Know i'm just. Speculating i'm just that. Turned we didn't get?
That what did what?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Did what did you get From?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Mo in?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Return you got a bump by? Someone well that was
already that was already in the, works but it.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Was it was only in the work before, that before that,
overture before all that, stuff and that was.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
You didn't try to get another bump at that. Point,
NO i did. Not and that was and that wasn't
come From Tom.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Mow that was come From Mark udolf Because Mark udoff called, Me,
UH i knew EXACTLY i was on camp as my
phone rang is what this? Is and he, Said, HEY
i just want to talk to. You he, said, uh
meeting with the. Staff, uh we're not paying you enough
by what you've, done what you've, accomplished And i'm going
to just tell you we're gonna put something together that
(29:14):
you're going to be happy.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
With you just got to trust, Us AND i was.
Happy how much more was the mission state?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Offer? Significant like another? Mill, no.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
We weren't talking in terms back then like.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
That are you?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Crazy, yeah it's a long time ago, here, right you, know.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Really that's that's you know WHAT i tell you, KNOW
i was, THINKING i got to tell you. That you,
Know i'm a great on. Stories CAN i tell you a?
Story that's your?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Show, Obviously i'm just here for the, RIDE i.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Know but, anyway how things have changed WHEN i went
to go, ahead WHEN i went To, Kansas, yeah, okay
big eight conference, people if you mean the big Big,
yeah you Know, oklahoma you got. It it.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Was it was.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The best football conference going out and nothing was too. Good,
WELL i go To. Kansas selity's are bad, programs bad
and we practiced By Allen, fieldhouse Cal, pasture bad practice.
Fields we didn't have an Indoor, fieldhouse and if it,
rained the fields were. Bad we had to practice in the.
Stadium and this stadium was Up Jayhawk, boulevard a hill
(30:19):
From Allen Field house through.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Campus and Down, mississippi which.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Is a steep hill down to the. Stadium, well the
way we transported we had these two old school, buses
one yellow and one. Blue not only, THAT i had
to get two coaches get special driving license to drive the. Buses. Coaches,
okay so one day it's, raining you, know we packed
(30:46):
only two these we pack them in. There of, Course
i'm on the first, bus yellow, one and we go
up the hill down go to the, stadium AND i
would wait for the second. One they're coming over because
they're all of a Sudd and here comes the blue.
Bus And i'm standing there watching it come Down mississippi
And i'm, saying and two Guysmember Mitch brown and he drove.
(31:08):
One the other guy was a guy with. McCartney he
was a. GA i, Said connie's going. Fast he goes
right by the stadium AND i, go what is that
crazy guy? Doing and he keeps. GOING i think he's being.
Funny players, said let's mess around with. Coach you, know
and he keeps going on And i'm getting. MAD i get.
IT i, Said i'm gonna kill. Him i'm gonna fire
(31:28):
him on the.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Spot is he? Crazy, well about fifteen minutes later here
comes To team. RUNNING i, go, mccartny what do you do?
It he, says we lost our?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Breaks oh, man that's. Serious that came down the hill
and had to cross two major. STREETS i, mean and
then after the two major streets it flattens, out and
he took it all the way to the river and
stopped it in the grass of the river and they
had to run back big time.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Footing did you did you demand new, buses new, breaks
new breaks at?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Least oh, yeah good.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Budget More mace stories will be a Spun more mace.
Yarns let's get one more pause in and maybe we'll
talk a little bit About big ten games this week as.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well time now for The Vikings report on The, fan
presented By Miller. Lyte viking's wide Receiver Adam feelin joins
Danver ro next.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Man let's remind folks That mace In Your face is
sponsored this year By Jack's. Cafe we appreciate their contributions to.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
The to the.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Bit you know, WHAT i really.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Appreciate what's that if after this show.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
And Today i'd even hang.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
AROUND i don't believe you call if we get guards
he called carry. Limo, yeah Don, anderson get the carry
limo here and go over To jackson and see.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
You by you by? Dinner you buyas. Dinner now you're
turned to buy, it are you?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Not?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
So the is IF i understand the sequence, here you
savage the crap out of me and THEN i am
supposed to.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Respond but, Hey i'll let me buy your. Dinner that
seems really. FINE i just don't go to dinner with.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Anything OH i, SEE i see that explains the price
to go With. Mason all, right let me ask you
this because we're in a round out of time AND
i definitely wanted to get to.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
THIS i meant to get to.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
It, okay if you are Coaching Carson, wentz.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Does he?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Finished does he stay in that game as long as
he did for The?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Vikings absolutely. Not And i've never coached pro, football AND
i know that there's a. Difference BUT i and we've
talked about this. FAR i always prided. MYSELF i always
try to remind myself of making Decisions i'm going to
coach someone else's kid to wad coach my own. Kid
AND i watched that game and it was painful to
watch the Young i'm gonna say young, man the man,
(33:55):
too the. Player he looked like he was in unbelievable.
Pain he really.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Was i'm not a.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
DOCTOR i don't know what the medical staff was saying to.
Him you, know in pro, football if the guy gets
back a little bump in the, HEAD i mean they
stop it, down someone takes him. Out YOU i don't
know they have medical. Advisors you think the medical advisor
watching that game, say, oh you, know maybe his head's,
okay but he is not. Okay and you, know WHEN
(34:26):
i was coaching all those, YEARS i never OVER i
shouldn't SAY i over ruled, doctors but not letting a kid. Play.
Never if they said he couldn't, play he couln't play that,
Right AND i remember that didn't happen a lot because
of the medical staff the places that were really. Good
BUT i REMEMBER i, Said, kansas when you were playing At, missouri,
(34:48):
Tip hillary is my quarterback and he got a head
bump or.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
WHATEVER i don't know if it's a concussion or. Not
you know in those.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Days, well he, did, hey hold up fingers and if
you said, two you put him back in the. Game
and he said he was, okay and the doctor's. Okay
AND i looked at. Him was on a call play
AND i said, no and he was. UPSET i said,
no AND i, said he just doesn't look. RIGHT i
rather air on the side of caution and watching him.
(35:15):
PLAY i don't know if he could heard. It FOR
i heard your story, BEFORE i don't know if he
could heard it. Further and that type of pain you
shouldn't be. Playing you really.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
SHOULDN'T i. Agree, NOW a text writes.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
When you have a situation which adults are, involved he,
writes if it was, children maybe even a college, level
the coach would have more. Responsibility but after, All carson's an.
Adult what do you say to that part.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Player is a, player coach is a. COACH i think
the number one responsibility of a coach at any, level, pro,
college high, school pee, weee whatever you want to call,
it is the safety of your. Players, now he may
disagree with, Me i'm just telling you that's my.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Philosophy i'm with a one hundred percent on this. ONE
i have as much AS i hate agreeing with.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
You you had what?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Else you?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Had something? ELSE i want to talk Quickly Gophers Michigan.
State it's the old you got to rebound fast, here,
Right you got to get that out of your.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Mouth, YEAH i think you, know that's obviously a very disappointing.
Game the old, saying don't let one team beat you
twice because you should Be Michigan state playing at.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Home you're a Favorite Michigan. STATES i think in the
conference from, numbers not a not.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
A good football. Team you got to win this one
otherwise you make that lost even.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Worse, So, uh they've got to do.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
It you, know it's. Amazing there's some really interesting stories out.
There we talked About, indiana and we talked About. Vanderbilt
vanderbilt Plays texas this. Week you don't think that All
sarkisian down that Long horns aren't a little. Nervous he's
already got two. Losses you can't lose The vanderbilt and
you get. Three how About navy The midshipman they're, Undefeated, uh,
(36:58):
obviously and they're Playing North axus seven and.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
ONE i don't think about Dorth.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Texas, uh, REALLY i think a sneaky team Is. Cincinnati
now you saw What utah did To. Colorado they destroyed.
Him they Play cincinnati this. Week, cincinnatily you, know has one,
loss and then is the wounded animal Of Penn state
dangerous to The Ohio state.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Buck, GUYS i don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
That game's In. COLUMBUS i, think isn't? It they Host
indiana Does Penn state the next? Week BUT i THINK
i Think guardia Is indiana Is Penn State Ohio. State
that's In, columbus isn't. It i'm your double check, it,
yeah double check just to.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
See by the, way A texter wants to know what
your buyout is for this?
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Show what is The Glenn may in your? Contract what's the?
Buyout you mean IF i get?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Fired?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, yeah that or if somebody wants to come after
you and we, say, okay here's what you have to.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Pay yeah well, no, yeah that question would. HAPPENED i left, you.
Guys i'm under contract with yea with you.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
GUYS i don't. Know it's probably better be the fine.
PRINT i don't, know better look at. It it's In,
columbus it's at the. Shoe and speaking Of mason's, compensation
he mentioned the president was a, president you'd, off, yeah
mark you. Off we also had our, president our market
president called put together a meeting and said we've looked
At mace and what he, provides and we think we're
(38:25):
paying him exactly what we should pay. Him it was
a little different than the other. Way so we think it's.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
A very fair it's fair.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And reasonable off for fairs where you get a pig In.
August we know, that and so we think so we've revisited,
it and we think we're giving him exactly what he.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
DESERVES i got to ask you guys. Something, okay did
you watch The Alabama South carolina?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
GAME i did, not SO.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I i MEAN i was flipping AND i saw Where
South carolina was Winning alabama the ball they scored right
at the, END i don't, know a minute left or
something like, that and it went for two and, god
and SO i forgot it's going. Overtime next, THING i,
know Al obama one in, Regulation so sounds kind of
must have funneled the ball through an.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
INTERCEPTION i don't.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Know you, know guards he should, know he's the college football,
guy but he's too busy to he's being distracted by
our five, No. Kessler i'm actually Even kessler in. Here
we're breaking a lot of things. Down oh you, ARE i,
MEAN i was busy on. SIDE i have to work at.
IT i did not watch that game at. All and
you're our college football expert coach.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Approached prime had a rough.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Day, yeah, well he, said reality is setting in a.
Life that's the worst whooping he ever got since his
mother whooped.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Him, yeah that's not.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Good fifty three to.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Seven that was the.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
FINAL i, think so fifty three.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Sad how about My Kent State Golden what they do
they beat Bag Eddie, george The Heisman trophy? Winner did they? Really?
Yeah they beat. Him i'd be a big. UPSET bg
is in bowling. Green. Yeah. Oh and then the other thing,
said note, though Like jayhawks got thumped By Kansas.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
STATE i thought they were on the way on the comeback.
Trail were and they played at home and got thumb oo.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Football that was a funny, Game, Mas as you, know
goes week to. Week ALL i care about is whether
My hoosiers can take care of business At. Maryland i'm
worried about that, game and and they're At Penn. State
those are trap games for The. Hoosiers, yeah after That
Wisconsin purdue and they're if they're they're they're home. Free
that's when you know what that'll be their brisk biggest.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Risk i'm telling, you, yes everybody coming after. You when
you hit by THOSE i, say, oh well we Got.
Wisconsin they. Can't that's because you, know when you're dealing
with kids.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Traps, yeah you're, right watch. Out season's long to run
the table these days especially.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Hard. Yeah it really if you look at the number
of times any team has run the table in The Big, ten.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Not as many as you.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Think South carolina fumbled on their own forty is what
one texture is telling.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Us does that make sense.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
THAT i knew had to be a fumbler.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Interception they fumbled at their own forty H i had one. Other,
well they're agreeing with, You. Mace this is from Texter
My cheeters. ON i can't See Nathan maces's one hundred
percent of ride as a coach is a responsibility protect
the player from the cells when the player is. Unable
athletes are told and trained to play through everything and
(41:15):
only come off the field the coach tells you, to
or if you literally cannot walk out.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
There, YEAH i.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Agree I'm i'm still stunned that they went the way they.
Did we all know now it's JJ's, team right because
Now carson had the, surgery so it's he's, done he's,
gone AND jj is, starting And guardsy's, Guy brozmur's the.
Backup they brought in a veteran whose name escapes, me
who used to work H, kfc worked with him with The.
RAMS i don't even remember his. Name it is worth
(41:44):
noting although this might be, No i've never heard of this.
Quarterback he's not HYPHEN i don't. REMEMBER i don't. Remember
WHAT i do also, know and this will probably be
part of the top five to five is the news
On Van ginkel is suddenly much more. Positive he's acting
like his intention is to play On sunday In. Detroit
(42:05):
AND i think the betting line was he's out for
a while. Long he's had the neck, issue so that
would be a big bonus. Help that's a tough game
In detroit.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Though and did you See Aiden hutcheson got a contract
extension lots of money.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And didn't he miss one of the two games he
missed at least one of the two games AGAINST us last.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Year, yes he.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Did the good thing is we got a really stable offensive.
Line you know that that regardless of so we shouldn't
have any.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Problem handling being, SARCASTIC a.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Little, sarcastic you. Know that's why you learned that from.
Me the, sarcasm you KNOW i have the sarcasm. Gene
you love?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
It?
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Yeah ARE i going To?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
How are you? Nuts you? Know the sarcasm is the
lowest form of. Humor did you know? That is? It? Really?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah going to you because you didn't like to be
on the wrong end of? It thanks for coming. In
are you back next? Week are back In?
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Fargo?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
No, No i'm?
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Back is The fargo experiment over a?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
While going? Strong, okay go?
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Strong good now at least last, time at least last
time you.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Checked top five will Include, vikings injury updates and what,
Else Wolves, Preview Wolves, wild And.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
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