Mase in your face! - Bumper to Bumper hour 3 12/16/25

Glen Mason is back! He joins Gaarsdy to chat what it's like to move jobs as a head coach. Gaardsy ends the show talking about his new mall walking hobby.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face now.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Along with college Football.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Immortality, Glenn Mason. Here's Dan Morero.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Barrow outguards you in a lot of confusion. Dan's not
here today. It's not Wednesday. It's not Wednesday at four,
it's Tuesday at five.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
But there's Glenn Mason, brought to you by Jack's Cafe.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's great to see you.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you. I'm great. You know you got to
be flexible.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, I always said in coaching, you got to be
flexible in this business.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I guess you gotta be flexible and got a lot
of movie parts. It's good to see you.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
And you know Barrow sometimes now you see him now
you don't.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
God knows where he is.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's December. You know you got vacation time to use.
Do you get vacation days when you're a coach?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Like?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Do they work those into your contract?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Like?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Do you get four weeks of vacation like the rest
of us working stiffs?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
You know, it wasn't defined. You know, we took, you know,
some time off during the summer. I can tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
One time I sat down, I must say my job
was any tougher anybody. So the time commit was great.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
But I went over the course of about three or
four years and I looked back and I thought, Okay,
how many free weekends did you have? And free weekend
was defined as that you didn't have anything to do
until after work on Friday until Monday morning. And the
average was twelve. You know, it's on twelve weeks, just

(01:39):
twelve weekends. Because you know, you yep, you know, you
got recruiting, you got the season, you got summer practice,
spring practice, recruiting.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's really not a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I want to start with this tweet from Adam Weber,
who I think you know fairly well, Adam Weber. Adam Weber,
I've heard of him. Yeah, he's one of the all
time greats.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
And before I.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Said it, you know, I him out of high school
and I only had him one year and then I
went to early retirement. But I thought he was really
the missing piece to our offense. And we've talked a lot.
You know, we had really good offense, and people we
ran the ball better than anybody in the big tank. Consistently.

(02:20):
We threw the ball a lot better than anybody thought.
We I mentioned a number of Times were the first
team to throw for two thousand run for two thousand,
and we did it, you know, two.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Years in a row. But Adam would have given us
the option.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, which I mean, I was just licking my chops.
I really I couldn't wait. He you know, we didn't
need him. He wasn't really ready to play as a freshman,
but he would have been the next year and he
had the ability to throw the football, our power run,
we would have it all.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I would say his career where he threw for over
ten thousand yards despite having fifty two different coaches every year,
validated your opinion.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah he was. He was that guy.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, he was something specially he came from good Stock.
His dad, Bobby Weaver, was a great player, you know,
great punt return. I'm not sure that Adam would have
been a punt return. But you know he had all
besides the physical ability, he had the competitive spirit, he
had the leadership ability. Sure, very likable on the team.

(03:24):
You could just see he had star written all over.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I think that's a that's fact versus fiction. That's fact.
I can't argue with anything you said, he tweeted two
days ago. Great night celebrating Greg Aslinger on his College
Hall of Fame induction. Awesome stories, lots of laughs, and
a great time with alumni and coach Mason. Thanks to
Steve Davis for pulling it together. And I look at
the picture.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's great.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I see Steve Davis there, I see Mike Sherylls obviously
there's s Slinger. And I look and I go, well,
I know that place. That's Jack's Cafe. Where else would
you go for a great night of laughs and stories.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
No, you know what, Bill Coles did a great job
setting us up there, and we had a great time,
a great dinner, and uh, you know this to sit
around with those quality guys, great football players, but quality
guys and share stories, a lot of laughs, a lot
at my expense.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I want, I want you to I want you to.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Know, uh, but guys that really get it. And Greg
got up and gave a little talk and reflected on
you know, he got the Hall of.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Fame yep, and he.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, winning the Outland Trophy, running the award for
the outstanding lineman in the best center in college football.
And he said, you know, it wasn't about me, it
was about the team, about all of them.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And he brought it all together. But what was really
moving for me.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
You've heard me say a number of times about I
firmly personally believe college football is broke with.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
The transfer portal in the NIL. Everything is going on.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
And I'm not trying to begrudge any players making money
because they've been short changed for a long long time.
Everybody was getting rich except the players. They were the
most most important thing. But he talked about what was
going on that Yeah, it might be great one sense,
but they wouldn't have what these guys have. Sure, you know,
the ability to come in at a young age and

(05:21):
battle through and be able to overcome any shortcomes, any
problems that they had. And over the course of time
brought him together that that feeling, and he even talked about,
you know, the memories of those relationships far outweigh the

(05:45):
wins and losses. And it was it was just a
great night, It really was. And you know, you have
to do it more often. Yeah, I miss those guys,
must sure they missed me, but I missed them.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, how many are there any? Do you learn things
about the team twenty years later that.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You didn't know?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, things that happened or oh yeah, it's
like anything you can share.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well, no, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
That's you know, it's it's kind of like, you know,
what goes on at Jack stays at Jacks.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, and we weren't invited Churchill Room, Jack's Cafe. Like
I'm tight with Sheryls, I'm tight with Webber. I don't
know the other guys where Steve Davis says to him
all the time.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
With those guys, but you didn't, you know, you didn't
go through everything that they had to go through.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right, you're not privileged to it.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
But I still go through with you. I mean they
only had four or five years. We do a year
after year. We're on like a decade plus.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But you know, when you get to those things. I
really believe in the adage. You know, God gave you
two ears and one mouth for a reason. If you
keep your mouth shut and listen, you learn a lot
more things than And every once in a while the
story will come up about a player and I think
I didn't know that, you know, and they're funny now,
but you know, we talk about how things have changed

(06:56):
and everything goes on. You know, really it's just buying
players now, I'm not sure there's any recruiting rules or
anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Maybe there are. But Greg brought up.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
One time he walked into al'st for breakfast. Great place, yeah,
great place, a little place, and who was sitting there
but me?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
And I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I was in there, having a cup of coffee, probably
reading the paper, having something, and uh, he was there
at a couple of guys and uh. Anyway, I walked
out and uh, I told I'll pay their bill. I
just without any fan fear. And I got halfway doround
down the block and I said it, but I go
back and I went in and said, no, you can't
tell anybody, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
And they all laughed. That would have been a big deal.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know. Coach buys a guy a piece of toast,
you know, and which was absolutely stupid back then.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
And those things have changed.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
What did you eat at Jack's, That's what I want
to know.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I had the prime rib I had.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I had the prime rib so good, and a baked
potato and and uh I had one adel budfege. I
was driving. I'm very responsored without the police, and then
I had coached. I'm just telling you everything I had
so it was really good. And I sit next to
Kevin Salomon. I used to effectionately call him Salmonella when

(08:17):
he was on my team, and man, he started off
with Parrogi's and I mean he was eating everything. I
don't think the guy ate in about a week.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
So that's good. Match Books is the whole bit. Did
you get special match books? Yeah, we're just going through
the Jacks.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Experience with Andeslinger took them all. That's great. Yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
All right, We're gonna pause toay on schedule for this
hour mass here until the top of the six o'clock hour.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
When we come back.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I do want to talk coaching searches, coaching carousel when
you are a coach that has a job and another
job comes available, all the behind the scenes machinations that
seemed to be going on right now. I want to
get Mace's thoughts on that. Maybe I'll talk a little
college football playoff as well, Heisman Trophy. You can hit
the bratch on Brian Cafe in text line six four
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Speaker 4 (09:25):
Got some great questions to the Brad Shawn Bryan Cafe
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This is from nine to five to two. Great Now,

(09:48):
after the Owl's breakfast scandal, we're going to lose scholarships
in vacate Mace's wins.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
So thanks for that.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Because you had to buy a slinger some pancakes.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, I doubt that's a problem anymore.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
We're going to sell report that. Like you said, I
don't know if there's any rules or anything like that.
Coaching carousel. You were in studio ten minutes after we
got the news that Sharon Moore would be fired for
cause from Michigan, which is a pretty big deal. That's
been a pretty big story, and we've seen all the
criminal stuff that's happened since then and all the ramifications

(10:21):
from that. But on the football side of things, there's
a job open now and it's a pretty good one.
And when there's a good job open means that coaches
that are fairly established are going to be asked about it.
I'm looking at Alabama in Oklahoma the preview here on ESPN,
Caylin de Borr has already had to reaffirm his commitment
to Alabama before they're taking on the Sooners here in
the college football playoff. Kenny Dillingham from Arizona State has

(10:45):
been asked about it. Seems like daily you've been in
this arena. You've been in the situation where you have
a job, you have a team, but another job opens
and they contact.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
You about it.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
It's an interesting profession in that way, because if I
take another job, nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I'm not gonna have to answer about it.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Right most people, it's you move jobs, you get recruited
by somebody else. You might move cities, and it's not
news is there what's the needle you thread in that situation?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
That has to be just a surreal thing.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
But that's that's a great question, because if you're out
of school and you got a job and people are
interested and they're calling you, you hope it stays confidential,
you know, for a variety of reasons. You know, because
you may be interested, you may not be interested. Maybe
you're just you know, you know, trying to find out

(11:39):
they the school that's calling you may or may not
be that interested. Sure, and you know, there's a lot
of issues that are out there because you've got players
on your team already, you've got a fan base, you've
got a local media.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Uh, you've got a bunch of recruits.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Out there that you're you're still trying to get and
if there's a hint that you're thinking about leaving, it's
not very good for you.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
My problem, thankfully a number of times that I at
least answered the phone, as Dan would say, no one knew,
you know.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I was, and I stayed I was, you know,
I was.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Nothing ever came of it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I never came of it.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
And there are some other times there was offers, and
I mean at the end of the day I stayed. Now,
I got in a lot of trouble at the High
State job because I did an interview for that job
and I was involved in it and I didn't get it.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
In two thousand, Yeah, and then I was I.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Was asked the sixty four thousand dollars you know question
by h might have been Dan Barrero, you know, he
asked me directly. I'm not sure it was him or not,
but asked me directly, if you would have been offered
the job, would you've taken it? And I was honest
and I said yes. At oh man, I a big mistake.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
On my part.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
You know, I'm kind of an on a sky. I
know I take a lot of grief from you guys,
but I am. And so I heard your introduction here.
What advice would I give a coach? I hate to
say it, I'd lie. I mean, I'd take everybody wants
to talk about the goat Nick Saban, Yeah, you know
they you want to be you want to be good
in college coaching, you know, do everything the Saban did.

(13:20):
But I'm going to tell you when he was the
head coach of the Miami Dolphins, he was asked, it's
a great example a number of times, and he was
asked directly and he finally say for the last time,
I am not going to Alabama. I am not going there.
The next day he went to Alabama yep.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And so, uh, you.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Know these guys that are out there, and I heard
Kaylyn de Boor he definitively said, I am not interested.
But I also heard Dilliham talk yep, and I'd say
he beat around the bush.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that because I have some
audio that I wanted to play for you. I think
this is from today or yesterday. And like I said,
he's doing media like every day, which I also think
is a mistake. You don't have to do media every day.
I know you've got bullprep and all these things. But
the question was, do you have anything you want to
say to the fans to put the Michigan stuff to bed.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
That's how the question was phrased. Here is his answer.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
I think my job is that you try to do
whatever I can for the people that are with me,
right the people that are in the foxhole, the coaches
that are in the foxhole with me. Is I got
to do whatever I can to fight for for those people.
For my family, for everything from that perspective and kind
of you know, and I love it here. I've said
that since day one. That's absolutely never changing, absolutely never changing.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
So yeah, that's that piece is never changing.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
The only thing that's missing at the end of that,
in my opinion is go blue.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well right, but there is no perfect response.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, he's he's trying, he's trying to double talk, he's
trying to play both sides at the same time.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I love it at ASU, but you can read.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Between the lines. But Michigan is still Michigan. Yeah, And
I don't know if Michigan it is Michigan though. I mean,
they got some you know, problems that they're gonna have
to deal with. You know, one thing about Michigan is
that you know, when there's a UH and Dan brings
us up, Well, if there's a problem UH on a
football team, and I've kind of agreed with him, you

(15:16):
go to the hay coach and if he says, well,
I didn't know about it, you have the feeling that
he's either incompetent or he's lying. Right, Okay, Well, this
stuff that's coming out about Michigan, and it seems like
it was going on, you know for a long time.

(15:37):
Well where does the Shawn siavility go with the A
D I agree, Either you got to say, well I
knew it, knew about it, and I handled it poorly,
or you say I didn't know about it, and then
you say, well, what.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Are you doing? What are you doing every day?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
But it's it's a it's a mess, and you know
the thing about it there. I talked to the players
the other night about that. It's you know, it's a
classic example that a lot of people make a mistake.
You have a problem, and rather than addressing the problem
and trying to do whatever you can to fix the problem,
all too often trying to fix it, you make a
bigger problem, and then another bigger problem, and then another

(16:13):
bigger problem, and all of a sudden you're so deep
in the hall that you can't get out. And I
don't know the other thing with that.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
In my.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Lifetime as a coach, you know, there's been some guys
that have got jobs. You wonder how they got them.
And I talked about this. You know, there was a
time that a guy like Lane Kiffin, with his password,
he'd have no chance to get the jobs that he's got.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
You look at the list of the place he's been.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
You look at Steve Starkesian, he's got the Texas job.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
And when I was growing up, you'd have to be
a real success, really really successful coach to totally clean slate,
or they wouldn't even look at you.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
And by clean slate, I'm talking about no problems, you know,
off field stuff whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
And the same thing, uh, you know with Lane Kiffen
some guys like that. And the other thing is to
be able to get a job like Michigan, man, you
wouldn't just get it, you know, being the second in command. Normally,
they'd only look at guys that have already been a
head coach and they proved themselves that they could handle
a program.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
You know, I think back.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
You know, let's say, you know the most famous guy
at Michigan bow Shambcker. He was very successful at Miami, Ohio.
It's a totally totally different world.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Well, to answer your question about Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkis,
and you know why they got their job, they went
to the Nick Saban rehabilitation school well fired coaches and
that was the brass ring, right.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
And even more than that they went to the the
Jimmy Sexton school of agency, you know which.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Of the tree.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But yeah, the real indictment what I'm saying is not
on them, is that I think that the people that
are making decisions at these institutions, the one thing that
they don't care about anymore is integrity, is an honesty,
is character, And all they want to know is who
can help us win the best.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Puerit that's it.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
And I think because there's so much money that's involved,
that's become a major factor. Because the thing about it,
if you're a board of trustee, or if you're a president,
or if you're an athletic, if your football program is winning,
when you go to all that fundraising and all those
cocktail parties, everybody's slapping in the.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Back and they feel good.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
If you're not winning, you could have a Saint coach
in your team and everybody's after you. And I'm talking
about the board of trustees, I'm talking with the president,
ad you got to make a change.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Well, Michigan's a great example. They're former president.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I go back.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I mean, you just look at the run from Harvard.
You know the multiple scandals, right, and my favorite candidate
for the Michigan job is his defensive coordinator right now
at the Chargers, Jesse Minter, who's a great coach, it
sounds like, and but people are talking about it in
reporting and going. The one issue is he still got
a show cause penalty from when he was at Michigan earlier.
But it expires soon, so that should be fine. And

(19:18):
I just I just cracks me up. I said that
that'd be the perfect hire.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Well, you know, Sharon mooreh his deal.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
He had a game suspension because he deleted all his emails.
Yeah about the spygates stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
You know, come on, I know what are we talking about.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
But their president at the time was all in on
backing Harbaugh, backing the players, social media, bet Michigan their
ad obviously Ward Manny one.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
The rest of us on the outside are looking and going.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Is this what we're doing?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Like you said, because they wanted to win a national
championship in football and they did so they're laughing all
the way to the bank.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
They're laughing all the way to the banner.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
But you know, I'm a big tank guy. Yes, me too.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And and you know, for years we in the Big ten,
we'd look down our nose at the SEC. He'd say,
you know those guys down there, Yeah, they played good football,
but man, I'll tell you they're cheeters. If you look
at it, in recent history, who has had bigger scandals
than the Big Ten? I don't know, there's some big ones.

(20:20):
It's embarrassing, it really is. I mean, you know you
got you got Penn State, you got a high State, Michigan, Michigan,
you got Michigan State, you got Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
And basketball. I mean there there was a lot of problems,
dirty laundry there.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
What happened with basketball here?

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I forget. Yeah, I don't remember that. I don't remember.
I remember, I remember being a kid going to the
final four.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, everything was awesome.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's the problem with you, because integrity doesn't go into vocabulary.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
We don't know where that banner is. We can't find that.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
One last thing on this topic in general, the coaching carousel.
How was it difficult to thread the needle of like,
let's say, did you ever get a call during the season?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, so yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Know the old adages you chase two rabbits bolts will
to escape.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm gonna have can tell you what school but that's fine.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I got a call from I'll tell you what conference
they were in, the Pac twelve, A good one, okay,
And uh, I got a call and they had made
a coaching change early. And I got a call from
someone that I knew that I used to work with,
that was at a different school, that knew that athletic director,

(21:29):
and they wanted to know if I was interested in
the job.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Because they were interested me.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
They want to offer me the job contingent on the
end of the season. And I quite just said, you know,
I won't even talk about it. I won't feel the
phone call. I won't even make a comment. I'm coaching
this football team, pure and simple.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Boom.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
And then uh, the monday after the last game, I
got the call from the same person said, well, okay,
the season's over.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
What's your answer, And I said, I'm not interested.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
And so that's the only time I was involved in
one of those things during during the season.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I think you would have done well at UCLA, No,
it was easy. I think you would have done well
at Stanford. I think he would have done great at Washington.
I think you should have given it a shot.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I think he was well in retrospect. I didn't know
I was going to be retired earlier.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, that is the problem. Let's get to a couple
of texts here.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
We'll go to forty two with Mace, brought to you
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Speaker 2 (22:24):
What are your thoughts on Chris.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Cleman retiring in part at Kansas State due to the
changing landscape and college athletics. His athletic director Gene Taylor,
who used to be in North Dakota State. That's where
those two played. And I got to know Jan just
a little bit from my passings in Fargo. You've probably
know a lot of Jean Taylor fans from your comings
and goings in Fargo. Basically went on a rant a

(22:47):
few weeks ago and said we're gonna lose more. Chris
Clemens if this thing doesn't go get under control. I
have to imagine you agree with a lot of what
was said there.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, I do. I think that.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't know what into coach climbing making a decision
that he did. But I how how old is he?
I don't I'm not really sure, but mid fifties to
walk away from those coaching it's a good coaching job
and getting paid a lot of money. It's got to
be the frustration I've always thought. I personally, I don't

(23:21):
know this, but I think Nick Saban retired not because
he was tired of coaching. And I don't think he
worried about the nil in the sec. I don't think
he's worried. I think he worried about the portal because Nick, say,
if you watch Nick Saban, he was at a place.
He did a great job at coaching, great job recruiting,
He got great players. But Nick was a tough guy.

(23:44):
He ran a tight ship. It was Nick Saban way
or the highway. And I think he realized smartly that
he couldn't do that anymore because when he'd loaded the
hammer on a guy, guys he'd leave sure, and they
goes to other place or get He'd have to constantly
being recruiting them all the time rather than just recruit
until you get them because they've been brought off his campus.

(24:07):
So at his age and his financial situation, he started
to go. I think that's probably why had something to
do with Mike Krzyzewski retired. No doubt in all those
basketball Jay Wright, Roy Williams, I think they got the
place say, hey, this isn't the this isn't the game
that I know. I'm not talking about the game, but
the recruiting game and running a program.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
And it's I think.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
So the guys that are a little bit older, uh,
financially stable and haven't been brought up in this environment,
they say this is crazy. Uh. Now, if I was
a younger guy, even though I wouldn't agree what was
going on, you'd have to play the game.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's that's the rule. You didn't make the rules.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's what it is, and you'd have to do it
or you're not going to coach. And it's hard to
walk away from from jobs that are paying millions of
dollars a year because it's an unreal world. People don't
make that type of money outside fifty eight. Chris Climbing
is fifty eight years old. Another question here from six
to one to two.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
My question for Mason your face is what did he
look for in a quarterback? And why were you so
successful in running the ball? Just from like Gary Holman
or John Glenn one of your friends, I have to
say a cheap shot, that's true. I get in this
chair and I'm morphed.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
That's that's that's that's a cheap show. You know.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I was one of those guys that at the place
that I was, I was more interested in recruit and
what I'm talking about when his hey coach Kent State,
Kansas and Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was in the recruit the best player.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I could not the guy that fit my program, you know, Okay,
I thought it made better sense for me to recruit
a guy that was better and adjust the program to him.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Okay, makes sense. And that's why. And you've heard me
I said last week.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
If I had been a smarter coach when we had
Brian Kopita, I would have ran everything out of out
of the shotgun would I would have been the inventor.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Of the pistol. I wasn't. When I saw somebody else,
I said, that's a genius.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's what I should have done, you know, because I
could have run the inside zone, the outside zone, all
the running game, and he could have taken the snap
shotgun stuff because that's all he did in high school.
But you know, we had we adjusted quite a bit.
But I was a firm believer that you had to
have the ability to run the football, and we really

(26:33):
developed keyword developed good offensive lineman. You know, one of
the things gres Greg Esling had brought up the other day.
He says, you know, I he thanked me. He said,
I was a no star player at a biz bark,
North Dakota, and I show up barely weighing two hundred
and fifty pounds, and I started as a freshman. You know, now,

(26:55):
when I recruited him off from scholarship this summer, I
had no idea that he would be a I was
the recruit as a fullback.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
He was too small to be a center.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Now he grew a little bit, and I didn't have
any idea that he could play that position as good
as he could.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Because he was a great.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Center from the day that he started as a freshman,
as was Mark Ceastrom that played next to him at guard.
But we looked at our offensive lines were not that big,
but they were athletic and the execution they understood what
was going on.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
One of the things that Esslinger brought up, he was
out there in Denver with Brian Hamilton at the same
time and he says, they guys used to talk all
the time. He says, you know, we used to really
run the ball, and our offense was a lot simpler
than the Broncos were running the ball. You know, we
ran inside and outside, don't know, we blocked it multiple ways,

(27:57):
and we were probably the first team in college football
that really utilized pull in the center because we had
a unique guy there in Eslinger. But going back to
the question the number the number one important thing for
a quarterback, I always thought it was decision making, and
so in evaluating a guy, you know, they obviously they

(28:21):
had to have the ability, you know, to throw the ball,
but they had to be smart. They had to be
able to make the checks and offense, and they had
to make the right decisions. So, because you got to
avoid losing before you can win, and there's no position
they can get you beat quicker than the quarterback making
bad decisions.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Along those lines, the quarterback position, we got the word
the news because it's twenty twenty five that Drake Lindsay's
coming back to the University of Minnesota. I never really
thought it was much of a question. It doesn't sound
like he really thought it was much of a question.
But it's twenty twenty five. I just saw a story
today that Arch Manning's going back to Texas. Because that's
how it goes. He didn't turn the ball over in

(28:59):
the month of November. He had very few turnovers as
a freshman. Half of his interceptions were the Iowa game
that went pair shaped. I mean, just kind of your
observations of Drake, and obviously that's a pretty big deal
to have that piece.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, I think he's a really good player. I think
I even said on this show, when I look at
guys and I've seen, you know, I saw Drake Lindsay
play a couple of times on TV. I never saw him.
I saw him once in person. But when I try
to equate, I used to think, you know, if you
took Drake Lindsey and you put him at Ohio State

(29:35):
with that supporting cast, just think how much better to be.
I mean, I'm talking about the wide receivers they have,
because he can really.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Know the a Heisman finalist like Julian Sayan was.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now if I if I was evaluating him, the only
thing I'd have him marked down.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't think he has good mobility, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I mean I always liked if you watch a lot
of football, it's amazing to me how many quarterbacks big big.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Plays because with their legs.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Sure and when they take off and run and broke
and play or whatever. That's not good coaching, you know
what I mean, Right, that's just good athletic abuilding. Yeah,
and if you have a guy that can do if
a guy like Drake Lindsay, if he could do the
things that he did, but also could be a force
and pulling the ball and running, it's that much more dangerous.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
One more segment with Mace.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I want to talk about the college football playoff as
well as the Heisman Trophy was awarded like we all expected,
the top two Heisman Trophy finalists, one from Indiana on
one from Vanderbilt. Just how it always goes in college football.
Indiana and Vanderbilt have everything and the rest of us
have nothing. A final segment with Mace in your face
when we conducers.

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Speaker 4 (31:20):
My final Seguey sent her face guards again from Barrero today.
I'll be back in tomorrow. You always come armed with
a laundry list of thoughts and ideas.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't know about a laundry list, but I know
your ideas from your jacks, and I see your kids here.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Your beautiful wife reminds me of Christmas coming up. And
you know I used to hate to go out and
shop and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
You know I did. I got it all out of
the way today.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You know what, Oh did you?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh? Yeah, I stopped and saw my good friend Molly McDonald.
She has a store.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Oh yeah, you want Mycroft. I don't really nice.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
But if you ever want to buy something really nice
for somebody, Okay, go in there. It's if they get
something from high Croft, they know it's it's pretty special.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I'm not buying you anything.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I was gonna say, you have any gift cards I
can borrow? I mean, I'm interested. I don't know, but
high dollar I don't know if I've got don't make
the mace money.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, I'm pretty tired. I'm gonna fix things.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Hey, But you know what talking about before, talked about
players coming back. You know, every time we've talked about
Dan's brought up at creens. I don't I didn't get
involved in recred I didn't want to talk about recruiting.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Right, everybody gets all excited five.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Star guy, four star guy, and I and I saw,
I think yesterday or today where uh, a four star,
four star player for the Golphers left. Okay, now that's
not an indictment of the Gophers. That happens to every program.
But what I'm saying is, I'm sure everybody was high five.
And when he signed with the Gophers a couple of

(32:46):
years ago, I didn't know where he's from and on
his name, I probably didn't play because he was four stars.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
It's it's meaningless the stars. The stars are yeah, well
now more than ever two because it is so easy.
And I think you're talking about ten a Egeball. You
had a good, good your for him because Darius Taylor
was hurt recruit him out of Pennsylvania. You red shirts
gets an opportunity this year, plays well, and he's apparently
got a better.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Opportunity somewhere else, And that's what happens.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, that's what that's That's probably why climbing is getting
hatted coaching, and that's why I I'm.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Glad I'm not coaching anymore. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I you know, anytime I want to call up our
good friend Todd Anderson in order up one of those
cars from carry Limo and take a trip, I take
a trip.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
And Todd's never transferred, He's forever.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, he's got he's got no cut cut What.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Is any other issues before we get into some.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Text or got some topics you like the uh, everybody
watched the Penn State job, yep, with great anticipation.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It was the first job to open up, I think,
and one of them. Yeah, and it was the.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
First big one to open up for sure. And no,
I guess Virginia take open first, but I mean the first,
you know, Penn State's bigger, yeah, blue blood job opened up.
And then probably the last one that that closed except
for Michigan now. And you know Matt Campbell from Iowa State.
He had great, great success down there, well respected from Mason, Ohio.

(34:16):
So he's going back to you know, his neck of
the woods. And they've got a lot of resources at
at Penn State. And be the difference is, though, you know,
the expectation is going to be a lot higher. Sure,
you know, really he did a great job at Ive State.
No one could do a better job than he did there.
But now when you go to to a place like

(34:36):
Penn State, you know, win in ten games a year,
that didn't cut it. Yeah, and you got to just
beating the people you're supposed to be. It's not going
to get it done. And his measuring stick is going
to be can he be the High State?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Right? Because Franklin couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
He did it once on a block field goal, but
other than that, that's going to be the measuring stick,
you know. And he knows that, and he's gonna go
in there and he's gonna have to work every day
because that's gonna be his built in rival right there,
you know.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
And uh, and I wish him good luck.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Is the heck of a guy, quality guy, and uh,
you'll probably get it done.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
The people have always said the uh, we'd love to
see what a guy like that could do with those resources, right,
that's what you always hear. That's right, and that that
cuts both ways though, But you're when you take that job,
you're not surprised by it, right. It's not like he's
waking up in state college and going, oh man, they
want me to win a lot of games here. Did
you ever wish you because you mentioned the places you

(35:36):
coached Kent State, Kansas, Minnesota, places that needed to be
built right, that didn't have, you know, great tradition, great expectations.
Obviously you mentioned you interview for the Ohio State job.
That makes a ton of sense. This is a stupid question.
Won't be my first or last. Do you ever wish
you got a chance to coach at a place where
it's like they had everything?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, you know, I did have the Georgia job.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
You know, I know that's the other one and I
and I changed my mind in that, but I don't know.
You know, the thing about it is everything is unique,
different challenges, and you do get a lot of satisfaction
when you go into a place, you know, and it
sounds like I'm patting myself in the back, and maybe
I am. But you know, Kent State wasn't winning when

(36:22):
I went there and we won. Kansas wasn't winning, and
then we won and went you know, ended up ninth
in the country. In Minnesota had been to a Bowl
game forever. I'm losing seasons and changing coaches, and and
so when you turn programs around, would you like it
done a little bit better? Well, sure, would you like
to add a little bit more to work with. But

(36:44):
I had the advantage because I had also been on
the other side. I coached at Ohio State, you know,
and I got to be honest with you know, you
went in there when you we played, you know, we played.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Eleven games back then, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
And to be honest with you, when you walked in
middle of July, first day of your meetings.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
You had nine wins, right, yeah, you did. Unless you
messed up. Yeah, I mean really messed up.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Because those other games that you were playing them, if
you played good and they played great, you still probably won.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Right Now, if you played great, they got killed. Now
if they.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Played great and you, you know, didn't play very well,
sure you could get beat. But what I'm saying is
that you were measured on a different standard, and you
had you had great satisfaction. If you're at a high state,
if you beat Michigan, won the Big Ten, and you

(37:47):
went to the Rose Bowl. Back in those days, anything
short of that was was just an average year.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Did the right player win the Heisman Trophy?

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think so, Yeah, I agree with you, Yeah, without
a doubt.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
And you know, more often than not, it's an individual award,
but it reflects team accomplishments. And I don't know if
if the you know, if you if you would translate
the Heisman trophy to the most valuable player who was
a more valuable player in college football than him.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I think the top two guys are your answers right
from Vanderbilt.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Absolutely, And I you know one thing, I thought.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
That hit that Mendoza took on the first or second
play of the game, and I think most people thought
he was done, Yeah, okay, and he got up and
he played the whole game and he played well.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
If you don't think he's not tough.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
And when I always liked I when I coached, I
like tough guys. I didn't want guys that acted tough
or talk tough, just guys.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
That were tough.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
And I heard his acceptance speech for the Heisman and
he kind of reflected to the you know it, you
know you don't.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
You don't have to be loud to be tough.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
That guy's a tough, good football player that's got his
head on straight family values. Uh and uh he's not
full of himself, if you know what I mean, total
not look at me here, I am behind the Heisman trophy.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
And the way that his team, his teammates rallied around
him because I think that they really realized without him,
we're not there, right, And as I think it's those
two stories were the greatest stories in college football this year,
Indiana and Vanderbilt.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I thought he put himself atop the list with the
Penn State game. How he brought him back in that
game if you remember, unbelievable throws, the great catch, maybe
the catch of the century in college football, absolutely, but
then the Big Ten title game, just I mean, we
talked about Ohio State's defense, I think every week, right,
nobody was scoring on it. And Indiana didn't light him
up either. No, no, no, you make the throws. You have

(40:03):
to make even the last throw kind of on the
last dagger drive where that was it they.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Sealed the game. It was.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
But that's like Signette, he said, what do you say?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
He said, I was coaching to win. I wasn't coaching
not to lose.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
And that really resonated with me because way back when
when I was an assistant at a high State. I
visited Penn State one spring practice and Joe Paturna was
there and we went to lunch and he said to me,
you know, he said, I feel sorry for what he hayes.

(40:37):
And I said, why do you see it? Feel sorry
for what he hayes? He said, because the pressure at
a highest state what he coaches not to lose rather
than to win, and coaching the wins a lot more fun.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
And you and you think.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
About what he hates at a high state three yards
and a cloud of dust, and you know, would play
games close to the vest, and would let the other
guy make a mistake, you know. And I never forgot that.
And then that one year, in fact, we did two
years in a row. We started the game with an
on side kick against Joe Patterna. I was there and

(41:12):
and happy value we.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Won the game. I wasn't there. I wasn't at that one.
I was at the next one. And that was at home. Yeah,
we did two years in a row. And that was
the year that.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Joe Paturna invited me to stay and come over at
Dinner's house with all his supporters, which I did. And
this this is building for a couple of years, and
I did that. I had a friend of mine from Wichita.
I had a jet there, so I went over there.
But we went over there, he invited me to go
downstairs before the people came and sat there and he said,
you know, before we have a drink, I want to

(41:43):
let you know something.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I said, what's that?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
He says, starting a game with an on side kick
is cheating. And I said, well, you got yourself to
blame for that. He said, what are you talking about?
I said, and I told him that story and I
said I was coaching to win. And he said I
should keep my big mask.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, that's a good way to end it.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Great to see you. I won't see you next week.
Dan is back.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I will be in Phoenix for the Rate Bull. It's
not the Guaranteed Rate Bowl anymore. Gophers versus New Mexico,
the Lobos, the Lobos.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I got a great story about the Lobos too. But
I'll say that for Dan save it is he to
be here. That's that's Christmas Eve, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, he won't be Maybe he'll come in on Tuesday
or something, because I know he's working Monday and Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
I'm here all week, so we will. I'm available. I'm committed.
We will.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
We appreciate that. Yeah, we appreciate that. I'm glad you
had a great dinner at Jack's. Looks fun.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Thanks for the stories, the fun, the laughs, and we'll
see you in the new year.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
And you know what, you're a very lucky man. You
have a wife and kids like that. You got no problems.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I wonder if the nine year old agrees with you.
He's looking he's looking a little suspect right now. I
appreciate it. MAT's good to see you. That is Glenn Mason.
Thanks as always to our great partners at Jack's Cafe.
We are out a little early tonight because we've got
the Wild against the Capitals coming up at seven o'clock,
which means we've got to get Vikings Country in right
around six fifteen, so it will be our final segment

(43:07):
of the show when we continue.

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out for the last two hours since You've got everything.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Good in that room.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
Yeah, it's been going well, just chilling back here.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Yeah, you only miss like four forecasts. It's not a
big deal. Everything's fine.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
One in the half.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Remind me how old are you?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I'm twenty two, twenty two? My god?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
So do you do people of your vintage? Do people
of your age? Do you ever go to malls anymore?

Speaker 7 (44:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (44:24):
I feel like there was a phase where I didn't
go to the mall at all, but I kind of
I like the mall.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Okay, I'm with you, I love them all. I should
be doing commercials from all of America. Bothers me that
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
I go to the mall of Americaolo Time.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, it's one of my favorite places. Yeah, it's I
just like to go and walk around. And I don't
really ever buy anything. I don't remember last thing I
purchased at the mall.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
I can't relate.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
But in the mall out by my house is Ridgdale,
and we do spend quite a bit of time there.
And I'm curious because I am now part of this community.
It's a very exclusive community. The percentage of people that
go to the mall just to get their steps in,
just to start walking.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah, I mean, do you know the percentage? I don't, Okay,
I feel like there's a lot like for them all
of America. My family used to go during COVID. I
did not go, Yeah, but like my aunts and uncles,
my parents would go.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Well, So I'm so if I'm not like, I like
to go to Lifetime Fitness right because it's awesome. It's
just I love everything. I love the vibe. I love
everything about Lifetime. But on the occasions where I don't
go to Lifetime or don't want to go to Lifetime,
I am now at the age I'm at the lower
part of the curve where I will go to the
mall and just walk and I'll put in a podcast

(45:32):
and I'll just walk around with my with my AirPods.
And so I've done this the last two days, and
it's more of like a mental health thing more than
a physical fitness thing.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
It's just like it.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
It gives me ideas, especially when I'm hosting or today
i had the Nico med Bed show.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Tomorrow I've got a PJ. Fleck show.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
When i have a lot of stuff going on, which
is seemingly all the time, especially right now with all
the different jobs. And I'm not alone. I know a
lot of people just walk to clear their head or
you know, do whatever. But I'm seeing the same people
like over and over and I'm just like, I feel
like we're all making the same turns. And it's almost
like this elderly NASCAR race now right where I've got

(46:09):
to beat these people to the corner, or when I'm
going by Dick's Sporting go like, I've got to get
the turn before they get the turn, or they're coming
from the other way. I'm just like, can'fe and his age,
that's all I gave my youth to this place. You'll
understand it one day. But I once was twenty two
years old in the chair that you are sitting in.
And I just had that epiphany today as I'm walking
around because it's also the holiday rush people are trying

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to get You see a lot of people that are
trying to get their last minute Christmas shopping done or
their gift giving stuff done. And I'm walking around. I'm like,
everybody here is wearing new balances or on clouds. Everybody's
got air pods in it appears everybody's got their watch
working to count their steps. And I'm just trying to
figure out if this is awesome or if I should
be like a tiny bit depressed that this is not

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my life and I'm excited about my morning walks at Ridgedale.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Your thoughts do you go like in between jobs, you go,
Jesus like fit it in somewhere.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yes, So today it was I did the Parent of
Spare podcast with Chipskogins and Ryan Burns. That's out wherever
you get your favorite podcasts. You can also check out
our YouTube channel, and we talked about college football like
we always do every week, and then I had to
get down to campus to do Nico medved at Buffalo
Wild Wings with Mike Grimm. That was from noon to
one before I came back here, and I thought, well,
I don't have a full you know, I can't go

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to Lifetime, but I want to do something and I
need to do something, and so I just go to
Ridge Day and there were some things that I was
looking for shopping related that you fit in. But I'm
just curious if anybody knows what the actual percentage is,
because I feel like it's massively high.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's massively high.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
And if I'm alone, So if you see me at
Ridgedale or Mall of America, because I actually have some
shoes I need to return some AE two's that I
need to return that were a size too small for
my oldest son.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So I got to get back there.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
But I know I'm gonna get my steps, and I
just don't know if it's going to be Wednesday or Thursday.
I feel like it's just kind of a it's either
a depressing part or it's like the greatest thing ever
that I'm now part of the mall walking community.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Any percentages?

Speaker 7 (48:02):
Does AI have percentages?

Speaker 5 (48:04):
No, it just says there's no official percentage of total visitors.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
So at the Mall of America. This is specific.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, so you can get you can get a good
workout it.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
And I know they have like mile markers and all
these things out there, but it's just that's my life.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Now, that's what you have to look forward to. I'm
forty three years old.

Speaker 7 (48:21):
I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, this should make you feel really excited.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
A Reddit user, So, I don't know, we're not going.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
To Reddit super reliable.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
We're not going to do.

Speaker 7 (48:30):
Okay, okay, we can, we can. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
A Reddit user estimated about one hundred to one hundred
and fifty regular walkers between seven and nine am on
a typical morning at MA.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
I've never done the pre store opening, no mall walk that.
I'm not interested in that. But okay, it's it's not bad.
It's not bad. And now it's clear that I'm part
of this community and we'll see where it goes from here,
because it's only going to get colder.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
And it's true.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
If I need my mental health break walks, so I'm
gonna have to get him in somewhere and I'm not
gonna do it outside.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It's just not gonna work. All right, Thanks everybody for listening.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Today the show rap as I mentioned is brought to
you by American Pressure, and we had a good show today.
It was fun. Yeah, a lot of good guests. Appreciate
everybody that came in. Kevin Seffert came in studio for
his usual weekly Tuesday appearance.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
He stayed from three thirty to four thirty, which was great.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
We talked a lot about JJ McCarty, as you can imagine,
We unpacked why it took so long to get JJ plain.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
At this pretty solid level.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Obviously, no one's putting him in the Pro Bowl yet
or first Team All Pro or chiseling his bust for Canton,
but it was nice to at least get a glimmer
of hope the last few weeks and now we'll see
if that continues this week at New York when they
played the Giants, who I don't think their defense is
much to write home about either. We also talked a
little bit about the Jalen Naylor versus Jordan Addison theory

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that I had, and Seaffert actually said he'd been thinking
about the same thing and he's actually gonna write about
it because I'm gonna be bummed if they can't find
a way to keep speak as they call him Jalen Naylor.
He's been very, very good this year, and with the
stuff surrounding Jordan Addison where he's one incident away from
being suspended again, it seems like, I mean every time, right,
I mean, whether it's the speeding with the dog, whether

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it's the Dui stuff, or getting lost in London and
not making it back for a walkthrough. It just seems
like there's always something that's going on with Addison and
that makes me nervous about committing to a long term deal.
Seaford doesn't think that the Vikings are at that point.
He thinks that they still think there's a lot there
and he's obviously a really good receiver when he's available

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and he's healthy and he's out there. But the Naylor
story has been good. Part of the reason why Adam
Thieland is in Pittsburgh right now catching passes from Aaron
Rodgers is because Jalen Naylor, number one, stayed healthy and
number two, I think has been really, really good. And
that was before the two touchdown game that he just
had so talked about that Christian Darisaw the Dallas Turner

(50:54):
moment now coming up with Jonathan Grenard out a ton
of stuff there. I appreciate Kevin Seffert, appreciate Kevin gorg
good twenty minutes on Quinn Hughes on the Minnesota Wild.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
As I mentioned, they're back in action tonight.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
And then of course a great hour with Glenn Mason,
a ton of great stories, a ton of good insight
on what it's like when you're in the coach's carousel
that's going on right now. Glen Mason has been in
the carousel. He gave us a lot of good stuff
to think about there. So appreciate all of their participation today.
I'll be back tomorrow. I think Burns e Ryan Burns
is going to join me. I know Pat Kessler is
going to join me, and who knows what else. Have

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an elite Tuesday evening. We'll talk to you tomorrow starting
at three o'clock