October 13, 2025 • 44 mins
Dan is joined by our international political expert Michael Hurley with his reaction to the peace developments in Gaza and how optimistic he is that what has been agreed upon will happen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Time for another installment of dairy Land Diaries.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I it's emotional for me.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know the last time we played that SoundBite
that open dairy Land Diaries used to be a weekly
staple of the Bumper Bumper program, and over the years,
because you know, we work so hard to fresh and
stuff up, we decided to go in different directions.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Didn't want to run any ground.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Last thing we want to do on this show is
run and run anything into the ground, correct, And so.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It kind of went away.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now I kind of miss it, and maybe this will
be the nugget that reopens the door to a new
golden era.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know what I'm saying. I think it's possible. I'm
with you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This isn't a lengthy story, but god, it's a classic.
And this falls out of the classification of Have I
fact checked this one?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Because I don't want to because it's too good to
not be true.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Here's the tweet.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Today, I helped push a random girl's car from an
illegal spot forty feet down to a legal spot to
avoid a toe.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The car worked fine.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
We had to push it because none of the eight
people around us could blow a zero and she had
a DUI device. It was truly the most Wisconsin form
of Midwestern hospitality.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
How good is that? I don't even know if it's true,
But it's brilliant? Is it not? None of it? We're
all fright, what do we get nailed?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, they have a device, it's your smart start. They
won't start. They won't start, yeah, start, So they have.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
To push it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
They couldn't find one person to get in the driver's seat.
There were eight, they said, and none of them wanted
to risk blowing into the device. You get in trouble, Well,
that's a good question. So if someone else blows into
the device, yeah, Well, all it will happen is just
won't start, right, you won't necessarily Is there a system there.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Where to lertch the cops at that point, I would
depend on the system. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, but if you had the sober mabe, I should
know I'm smart start guy. Yeah, smart star sources. You
might be able to answer that question.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
They would.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, you would like to think that if you did
have the sober person, they would actually just drive, as
opposed to having to just blow into it so someone
else could drive.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Now, I think that's one hundred percent believable.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's one hundred percent believable, and it's it's it's Hall
of fame level though, I mean, because it involves so
many people. It's like, we got to move this thing. Well,
just Johnny get in the car or just drive it
and then everything will be fine. Won't start, it won't start,
can't do it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I tried it. Now, what he didn't say is how
many actually tried it? Right? That's what I would be.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The kicker to the story would be all eight of
us tried it convinced that wow, I or no, I'm fine,
I'm not gonna got the wrong reading and got the
wrong reading, and they say, well, now we got no choice,
but we're gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man, We're just gonna have to push it or pull it,
whatever the case may be. How good is that I
want to have to run that one by Gerby. Yeah,
I just want to know what town, what city? Like?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Did they need Wow?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
How are they parked legally in the first place and
only forty feet to get to the actual good spot?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's good?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Was this a downtown situation? Was there meet or expired?
There's so many questions, Like you say, I'd love to
see some follow up. My one hesitation about following it
up was finding out that it wasn't true. I think
it's one but I think it's certainly believable. And nobody
works harder together than a group of drunk people, like
you really have a good boontu. But yeah, but most
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of them aren't really capable of doing any That's why
it's beautiful, because they've got great plans and great ideas.
It's just the execution of the idea is sometimes a
little tough.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
The tweet was offered up by somebody named Sean rn I.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
The responses are interesting, Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
For example, Minie Haha at Beer Underscore, Wisconsin reacted this way,
people don't understand the open, sociability and the fun of
a busy bar outweigh the negative health effects of alcohol.
Wisconsin drinks way more, but the and deathday just still
above normal. His theory is that even though people drink
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more in Wisconsin, they actually live longer because the positive
parts of the mingling in a social setting outweigh the alcohol.
And now that might be convenient logic, even though you
know that's what he wants to believe.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Here's another response. This is why you keep balloons in
the car. You blow them up before you start drinking.
You then untie them and let them blow into the
DUI device to start the car planning your work and
working your plan. I can't even imagine. Were you aware
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of that being a way to I was not.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
That seems dangerous.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It is.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, it doesn't sound great.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Then, Courtney tweeted one time I had to pick a
friend up for work because she had a blower on
her car and still wasn't sober enough at eight am
to get her car started after we went out the
night before. That's not good. Eight am after means look
at it be a buzzkill. Or we had a great
time last night, tweeter crash Davis. We don't appreciate Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Enough.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
That's probably one of the most cheesehead things. Ever, there's
a lot of good response to this thing, and the
balloon thing was interesting to me. I didn't even know.
I'm you know that's that sounds like you're cheating the system.
The next Yeah, but that would probably be big in Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah,
I guess I don't love it. Uh well, I can't
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read that one. There's someone there, there's someone there there
that good to read. In any case, I hope this,
you know, maybe gets the creative juices going and that
our listeners will be because, let's face it, a lot
of times we're getting this material from our listeners. That
this will inspire them to be more vigilant yep, and
to reintroduce dairy land diary. So that's more than once
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every eight or nine months. We don't want to devalue
it and just offer one items that aren't worth the trouble.
But I think they's still fertile territory out there, fertile ground.
We're just not any longer. I guess you could say
harvesting it the way we once did and could you know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It also hurts us.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think the loss of community newspapers and radio stations
because we used to get a lot of them from
the small point.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You get them from the smaller papers that weren't reporting
on a lot of the state wide stuff, but they
had situations that popped up. They had sources in the
local police precincts and things like that. You lose a
lot of that. I think interesting smart start update. If
you blow into the smart start it will warn you
and not allow another test for five minutes. If a
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second blow is over the limit, the device locks you
out for the day. There you go, that's good, that's safe.
So that's why those eight couldn't do it. They couldn't
even they couldn't risk it. Wouldn't even matter. How far
is forty feet? Forty feet?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
That's how they said that. How far? Didn't you said
how far they were moving it? How far is that?
It's four basketball hoops?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Probably? Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, probably from like the back of my room to
the back of your room, probably somewhere along those lines,
not too far. If you have eight people pushing a car,
I assume they could. Couldn't you lift it? If you
have eight people? No, No, I don't think so, No, No,
that's a lot I don't think you could lift it?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, was it?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know if it's a monster truck. I mean
it's like a ukon. What about a Cooper?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Like a camera? People lift Mini Cooper? Yeah? Probably probably
could get a Cooper. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The problem there though, is could you fit eight people
around Mini Cooper? No, that's a good that's a great point, right.
You'd have to have them very very carefully spaced. I
think you'd just throw it into neutral and push.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, that's probably true. Uh, grant in your hand.
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Speaker 3 (09:46):
Where was the well?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I got to be more specific. I was about to
say where was the Larrymondela guy text? I got to distinguish,
like which Larry text and which hour that I wanted
to get to earlier?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Where did it go? Evan from Fridley. No guys talk
one of this when it's moving. Ash's opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This is related to my recommendation book recommendation to Johnny Athletic.
I'm rereading The Exorcist, a book that was written I
think it was published seventy one. The movie came out
honestly two or three years later. Very good sound track.
If you look up the song tubular Bells, it was
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the instrumental score soundtrack to that film and was a
top forty hit at the time. Very unusual, you know,
given it was just an instrumental but very good stuff.
Larry Mandella guy says, my biggest complain about The Exercist
was that the split piece soup used as vomit was
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to cloudy.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
The split key suit was too cloudy. I think he
got corporate involves.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Sometimes you have to I mean, sometimes that's exactly what
you have to do. Updated, you know, though the Vikings
didn't play this week, I did update my handy dandy
weekly Vikings quarterback Power rankings. Not a lot of movement,
to be honest, A little bit of movement at the top,
but I still have I think for either.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
The second or third week in a row. Danny Dimes
number one. They had.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Kind of a surprisingly tough encounter, was it with the Cardinals? Yes,
and they still won. But they by the way, also,
I think they've had running back injuries. They've had a
bunch of injuries too, and they keep winning. Danny Dimes one.
I've got Sam Donold back up to two. We both
blew that pick. He went on the road and had
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a did you see the long touchdown pass he threw
in that game under pressure? Big time throw, and they
beat the Jags to recover nicely from the game that
Darnold blew the week before the late pick. I've got
a Rodge three, again, not spectacular but accurate. Who's the
X Seattle receiver he's got now? He is Metcalf DK Metcalf.
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Their chemistry is big time man. Well, they were throwing
together in the Pittsburgh area high school. There we go
summer Metcalf, they worked it. Metcalf has always been one
of my favorite receivers. I just like to know of
those big physically huge because he's enormous, but he can
still move yep. So I got Rogers three because they're
they're smart, they're not asking to do too much. But
he's making accurate throws. And there I think four and
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one they are. I got Carson Wentz four. I got
Kirk Cousins back in the top ten at five because
the rumors continue to be he's going to be a
ail at the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Know who's gonna want them. I guess the obvious team
would be the Bengals, unless they're so buried by then. Yeah,
uh bother did you also see? This might be top
five to five worthy? This sound this commentary from Tua
from Tomlin, Oh, from Tomlin on the Browns decision to
trade them. Tomlin savages the general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers. No,
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the Cleveland Browns in doing so. I mean it was
about as frontal weird a a rip as one can get.
Now again, they're in the same division. I think that's
part of what's what bugged them. I've got Max Brosmer six.
Brosmer might well be this is not crazy to consider,
boys and girls. Max Brosmer might be your be your
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backup quarterback to Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
On Sunday, I don't think that's out landish at all. Yeah,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Cam Akers drops to seven. Although he didn't really do
it wrong, I still have to keep him in the
top ten. When he threw that's probably the best throw
pass we've had thrown all seasons.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It was nice. The receiver was.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Wide open, perfectly run trick plays, so they don't have
to hit him.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Pdue tried it. They threw an interception, so you still
have to find a way past not eight. Case Keenum
nine and Jake Browning drops to ten. Also receiving votes
this week. JJ McCarthy and Jeff George also receiving Lives
Full of Slappies. Do we still have that one? That's
probably gone somewhere. It's not on any of our button back.
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That was to the Pa and Debay show, is it not?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think so? Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Did they have him on regularly or was that just
like a one shot deal? I don't remember, because that
would have been that's the Denny era. Yeah, that would
have been like the two thousand Jeff George, I want
to say, right, and so, I don't know if they
had him regularly or not. They may have brought to
you by Continental Diamond good point. It's very true. So
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I think it's I think it's a fair list at
this point. So right now I have one, two, and
three quarterbacks that the Vikings all passed on that could
have had any of them to start the twenty twenty
five season.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And it's that's how it's worked out so far.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They have They've all played well, and probably none more
than Coltsky.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
He's been great. He's been really really good. We'll see
if it holds up.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
All right, We're going to move to the A section
away from the toy department in our next segment to
chat with our good friend Michael Hurley, former off CIA
officer who worked in the Middle East several times post
nine to eleven, worked on the nine to eleven Commission,
in fact, help write the report that the nine to
eleven Commission put together. And I want to get his
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reaction to the news out of the Middle East. President
is in or was in Israel and hostages, the remaining
Hot Living Living hostages have been released dramatic video they
what do we make of this? I guess breakthrough? Can
it last? Is always the devil in the details. We'll
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get all of that and what as I mentioned his
thinking might be. Mister Hurley's very honest with us and
usually very very thought provoking as well. So if you
have questions for him regarding the agreement six four six
eighty six, that is the Bradshawn Bryant k f a
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N text line, we'll be back with him, and then
in the five o'clock I'm sure we'll get back to
Eagles Week.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Always a pleasure to catch up with our good friend.
Michael Hurley, e Dinah's own former career CIA officer, also
helped write the worked on the nine to eleven Commission
kind of in the front office, so to speak, and
help write the nine to eleven report as well, and
anytime a major international story breaks out, we love to
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get his UH wisdom, expertise and analysis, and he agrees
to join us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Michael Hurley, how have.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You been, Hi, Dan, I've been great. Great to be
back on with you.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
A lot of travel lately or you've been kind of
home standing it? What's it been like lately?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
A fair amount of domestic travel as two to Dallas'
purtuit to Miami and trip to Spain. Internationally, a lot
going on.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Nice Where in Spain? Is this business and or pleasure
or both? Or what can you tell us.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
A little bit of both. I'm a consultant, as you know, Dan,
for international companies and technology companies, mostly on I have
some contacts in the network in Madrid that's helped a
few of these companies out. So I go there to
work on.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That beautiful place to hang out in as well well.
Thanksgiving us some time again, toss up question. I want
to read you a couple of sentences from a Wall
Street Journal analysis that may have dropped earlier today.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Here's what they write.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
When Hamas's leader Khalil al Haya first saw President Trump's
plan for peace in Gaza, which demanded his group disarm
with few concrete steps to ensure Israel would end the war,
his immediate reaction was no. The plan, heavily amended by
Israel and presented Hamas by the Katari Prime Minister and
Egypt's spy chief, looked nothing like what Haya had been
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led to expect. Officials familiar with the discussions set less
than a month earlier. He'd been a target of Israel's
audacious attack on Hamas in Qatar told his cut of
visitors the group would keep its Israeli hostages until it
had enforceable guarantees the war would end. Two days later,
Hamas came back to Arab mediators with a yes. The
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deal really hadn't changed the pressure on Hamas had They
lay out that Egypt and Katar told him the deal
was his last chance to end the war. According to
the officials, they pressed Hamas to understand that holding the
hostages was becoming a strategic liability, and the next day,
joined by Turkey, they warned him that if Amas didn't
approve the plan, it would be stripped of all political
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and diplomatic cover. Went on from there. Do you agree
with that analysis of exactly why Hamas came to the
table here or seemed willing to say yes after it
had previously said no without any real adjustments to the deal.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
It sounds right to me, Dan for such a sudden
change and shift on Hamas's part, And I think the
key the key to this was getting Turkey and Egypt
and cut to our all lining up behind what the
Trump administration's diplomacy was, and that pressure essentially telling the
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Hamas leader that Amos would be cut off completely, probably
economically financially, but with any political support as well too
from those countries. Probably led to that change of heart.
That was a stark reality that the leader, I'm sure assessed,
and it makes sense to me that that might account
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for his change.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Should this deal as you understand it with obviously which
we're very short way into it, but as it stands
as a deal, should it be lauded, and should the
President of the United States get a good amount of
the credit.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yes, I think this is a it's a significant step forward.
Just to me, getting the hostages returned to their loved
ones in Israel, that was a that that's a big step,
and I think we need to applaud that. It's heartwarming
to see that happen, and no one could deny that
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that is is really an important step forward. Again, I
think for that to come into play, the administration had
to really be working on building support among these key
players in the region Turkey, Egypt, cut Our and others
to get their support lined up for that, and so
I thought it was quite remarkable today the summit at
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Charmel Shaikh in Egypt, where all these leaders in the
region and also the world gathered to support this initial step,
so I think we can say that it's significant, we
should be happy about it. There's a lot of work
that remains to be done, though, because obviously there's some key,
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key events and provisions that have to fall into place
for a lasting piece.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Jeff asks to follow up on that observation, asks what
everybody's asking at this point, Does Michael believe there's any
chances as actually real where there will there honestly be
calm in the Middle East?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Now, Well, that's that's a great question. I think I've
learned not to be over overly optimistic about that region,
the the the the wars and the conflict Dan as
you know, and raging all of our lives, and and
and and before that even and we like to think
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when there's these important good events that happened, that that's
going to be a signal a shift. I hope. So,
but we have to really wait to see what happens,
because as I said, there's much hard work to be done,
and key things will Hamas totally disarmed, for example, that
will be that that would be a key step Israel
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has pulled out according to the agreement and the ceasefire
to they've moved further out of the heart of Gaza,
but they're still in Gaza. And at what point will
they move their forces out? And there is just a
number of other things as well too, but this, this
to disarm is a central point. Then how will God
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that be governed? What is going to be the constitution
of that government? Will it have legitimacy for the Palestinians there,
and will it lead to the prosperity that President Trump
and everybody else really that's pulling for peace, hopes for
all that remains to be seen. I think we do
need to applaud where we are today, but we also
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have to be realistic about the hard work that remains ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know, let's go back a little ways. In fact,
quite a ways. I saw I don't know how this
video showed up on my ex you thread, you know
how these things happen. You get you get lost in
this stuff sometimes then stuff I guess they figure this
is what you're interested in, so we're going to give
it to you.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And it was a comment.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
There was a speech or a part of a speech
from Bill Clinton, and I don't know how far back
it goes. And you've seen variations of of his comments before.
I'm sure you've seen some from Hillary Clinton, and in
this case, Bill is basically sort of reviewing what he
believes is one of the central tragedies of the Middle East.
Story that he had that the Palestinians once upon a
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time had in front of them PLO as good a
deal as one could possibly ever imagine them getting in
terms of land, et cetera, and they walked away from it.
Do you agree with that? Is that one of the
great swings and missus? Do you think it was more
complicated than that? And how close do you think we
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came for that breakthrough being the breakthrough?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I think we did come close. And I'm trying to
remember exactly what peace agreement that was, Is that Oslo
was that?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Was that.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Some other event or significant agreement or near agreement. I
just don't remember, but I do recall, and I actually
recall all Clinton's remarks about that they it did seem
to be a very good deal. Often these leaders, I
don't know if that was Yasir Arafat at the time
it was the head of the p l O, but
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often they would be they would be captured in a
way and influenced most by the most radical members of
their of their the most radical faction of their movement,
for example. And maybe he was under pressure not to
accept it. I don't really know. I don't really remember
all the dynamics of it. But uh, it was that,
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you know, inability to accept some form of compromise that
actually really would have worked out to the benefit of
the Palestinians in the longer term, and turning your back
on that led to further conflict than years of conflict ahead.
So uh, yeah, the bus has been missed many many
times in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Let me ask you a couple others, a couple of
other good questions, well before I get to a couple
more from the text line, because a bunch of folks
have a lot of questions to try to get to
you before we wrap things up here close to the
top of the five o'clock hour. One of them, I've
gotten a variation of several of these, is that whether
in the end, what we're going to find out about
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this deal. It was what was presented in part to
Hamas was all right, now we're serious. You either agree
to this, release the hostages or else the old or
else It's something even more violent was coming their way,
that the hammer with the President's approval was going to
be dropped down on them, and that also played a
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part of this.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
What do you think, Well, yeah, I think a couple
of weeks ago, I think it was when President Trump
made that made that announcement of these were the conditions
that were being laid down. Here's the deal except this
or the US is going to step back and essentially
Israel is going to be turned loose even far more
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in a far more destructive way than it had been
over the last two years in Gaza, and and sort
of saying that US would not intervene to rain Israel
in if that were to happen. So that ultimatum at
the time, I remember reading it and thinking, I'm not
sure if this will work, but I think there were
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teeth behind it, and it appears to have worked at
least to get Hamas's attention and lead to this and
and lead to this deal on the hostages, which, as
I said, I think is an important step forward.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You mentioned there are this is a long process and
there are still a number of other steps, and it
is the Middle East, and so I think people can
hail this as you have properly and still kept their
eyes open to say, well, it's it's it's volatile there.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It's always been volable there.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
There's been a number of close calls, some swings and misses,
et cetera. So you don't know yet. What you know
is there's there is progress. It's an interesting framework. Here,
give me a couple of examples of where it might
start in your mind to break down.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Sure, happy to do that. And I just think in general,
when events occur, people kind of all we all just
human nature. We want to if they're good, we want
to celebrate them, and I think that's important. We want
to sort of declare a victory. We seek practical solutions often,
I think, particularly in the Middle East, it's not really
(28:30):
an area that's open to practical solutions and the problem
and being able to sort of say problem solved, wash
your hands of it. I think back in and you
remember this just an analogy really to President George W.
Bush and mission accomplished in Iraq. Remember that the mission
was accomplished for three or four months into going into Iraq. Well,
(28:54):
it turned out that wasn't the case, and the conflict
lingered for years after that. Uh, sort of sort of
similarly on this. I'm hopeful that these positive steps forward
will lead to, you know, really a good outcome. But
in response to your question, it could break down in
a number of ways. The the US is going to
(29:17):
deploy two hundred troops there, I think to help with
the peacekeeping and getting supplies in. And there are I'm
sure forces that don't want Peple and you know they
they may well try some sort of attack on the
on those on those troops. Uh. Of course the commanders
are gonna be very well aware of that and take
(29:37):
every precaution to protect them. But you just never know
what's going to happen there. Remember the bombing of the
Marine barracks during the Reagan administration, and and so that
could derail something.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
The Israeli troops inside of Gaza necessary to be there
to to to enforce the ceasefire. But you know, if
radicals who want to blow this thing up to start
taking potshots that Israeli soldiers, that could that could lead
to a blow up as well too. If Hamas doesn't disarm,
(30:12):
which is what is real wants, of course, that that
could lead to derailing this. There is any number of
other things that could occur that the governance question in
in in in in Gaza, for example, I think is
that's going to be a very key question. Who's going
to have political control in in Gaza. You know, I'm
(30:35):
curious and I I maybe you may know more about
this than I I do, Dan, But where where is
Saudi Arabian all of this? It's kind of interesting because
I know Jared Kushner, the president son in law, has
very close relations with the leader in Saudi Arabian. I'm
guessing that there's been a lot of behind the scenes
negotiation and diplomacy going on. I would also guess that
(31:00):
Saudi Arabia will be lined up in such a such
a tremendously rich country, uh to be deeply involved in
the rebuilding effort in Gaza, which is going to be
a massive, massive project, and so much destruction has taken
place there. So I'm curious about the Saudi role. I
just haven't seen that much written about it. Maybe maybe
you have seen something. But there are a number of
(31:22):
There are just a number of these things as we
go forward that are going to have to be addressed.
And I'm not going to suggest that the easy part
is done. Because this first part was hard to get
the agreement to release the hostages, and that's that's significant.
But there are really very very difficult challenges that lie ahead.
(31:43):
And I think seems obviously the administration is is committed
to devoting the attention and the resources to to pushing
those our goals forward and and and goals towards peace.
So it will be fascinating to watch what happens. But
it's not over yet, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
To your point about the Saudi Arabian role, I don't
know if we can connect these dots or not, but
I did think it was interesting. The Washington Post had
a piece, I think it was last week. US military
files reviewed by the Post show that Iran's threat was
the main driver of expanded Israeli Arab security cooperation under
(32:24):
US Central Command. The Regional Security construct includes Israel, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan,
Saudi Arabia, and the UAE, with Kuwait and Oman briefed
as potential partners, and there were some other countries involved
there as well. Now that's we're talking about Iran, but
I think we may have gotten into this last time
we had you on. There's sometimes I know publicly some
(32:46):
of the Arab countries have not been all that interested
in raising their hands regarding some of these, you know,
these security arrangements. But it definitely feels as if this
is that there's significant momentum this. I don't know if
this plays into this deal as well, but a lot
more cooperation than there is savagery between Israel and many
(33:08):
of these countries, at least in terms of security.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, remember the Israeli strikes against Iran in the spring
and the successful strikes, and then of course the US
strikes on the nuclear facilities in Iran that really reduced
Iran's influence and certainly kind of we really put the
squeeze on his below, which is the main ally of
(33:33):
Iran in the region. So there's no question and that
there's been just a great deal of I think successful
diplomacy taking place behind the scenes with the Saudis, with
the other regional powers. Saudi Arabia is by far the
richest country of the region, and that wealth is going
to be critical to any hope for prosperity, for prosperity
(33:56):
in Gaza. Those countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, they
have not wanted historically to have massive numbers of Palestinian
refugees coming into their countries for all kinds of reasons.
Spot so they've been much more interested in keeping them
in Gaza and in the West Bank and you know, rebuilding,
(34:19):
rebuilding their economies there. That makes sense from their point
of view. So I think that that's probably the game
that Saudi is playing. But you were talking about the
military alliances, and that is key because it really comes
down to this Sunni Shia issue, to that conflict with
Iran being a Shia country, Shia Muslim country, and Saudi
Arabia and the other Arab country is being Sunni, and
(34:43):
Saudi Arabia is deeply, deeply concerned about the threat from Iran,
and that really does, I think pose the basis for
US and Saudi Israeli cooperation that you described.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I'm looking at a uh in this case is from
the former chess master Gary Kasparov, and he is offering this,
I guess cautionary note with actually linkage to some brutal,
brutal video of what appears to be Hamas doing in
(35:19):
some street executions of Palestinians in Gaza. The war between
Hamas and Israel may be over for now, but the
Hamas war on Palestinians is not and and that's part
of the wildcard you talked about earlier. That's that's very
vital and it raises the larger question for me. We'll
see video in the last several months, especially from folks
(35:40):
in that area who say they are they do not
want to be represented by Hamas. They don't believe in Hamas.
They believe Hamas has actually been destructive for the cause.
So how how have they been have they been able
to maintain their their toll hold?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Who do they represent in over the last let's say,
ten fifteen years. Do they represent as many people as
they want to believe or or is it a much
limited group and no one else can kind of get
any sort of momentum going to help root them out.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, I think they I think they don't represent very
many as many people as they like the world to believe.
I think they've maintained their power through cohesiveness, political cohesiveness,
and also through brutal, brutal tactics. They have the weaponry,
they have the ability to basically execute get rid of
(36:37):
anybody that you know doesn't play their game. And that's
what happens so I think the population has largely been
living in fear of the Hamas leadership, and it's just
they just imposed it through through through brutal tactics, and
it's fascinating too. Like, so how do you how do
you actually get them to disarm, because many will fear
(37:01):
if they disarmed that they'll be killed. Of course, that's
that's one thing. And I've heard, I've seen some discussion
that they'll they will be given choices of amnesty or
being able to leave the country to seek asylum elsewhere.
But then you have the issue of the countries not
(37:22):
wanting to receive them because they don't want to have
radical elements coming into their societies and radicalizing their countries.
So those are thorny, thorny problems. But it's clear that
Israel and its tactics has severely weakened Hamas. But you know,
(37:42):
people tend to try to hang on to power as
long as they can because they fear the consequences of
what will happen to them if they have it stripped
away or they give it up.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Last item from back inside the toy department, away from
international affairs, let's talk about your favorite football team.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
The question on the table.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Off the buy is what the Vikings do at quarterback
against the Philadelphia Eagles. Do they go with Carson Wentz
yet again, fresh off a very good late drive after
a kind of an inconsistent performance throughout or do they
hand the keys back over to the kid that they
intended to run the show if it stayed healthy this
(38:25):
entire season. JJ McCarthy, what would coach Hurley do this
month and this coming Sunday.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
That's that's really really a tough question. I watching those
first couple of games, at least the parts of the
games that I was able to see, I just kind
of felt, look, you've got a rookie quarterback, and you
expect mistakes that come back against the Bears, and that
what was the fourth quarter was was great. I'd given
(38:55):
up on that game, yes, the third quarter, and so
that was that was fun to see. I don't know,
like I just I wonder I sometimes whether whether Kevin O'Connell,
you know what he really thinks now after you know,
seeing what he's seen for the first couple of games, Uh,
is Went's going to hit his trust stride. I think
(39:18):
that's possible. I just, you know what, what's what's hard
for me, and I think for a lot of fans
is knowing that you've got one of the best receiving
corps in the game, right like with with Addison and
and uh and Justin Jefferson and you know, Naylor and
and and Feeling, yeah, Zeeland, all of them, and you know,
(39:41):
just getting the ball to them and letting them them
do their things. So who can do that? I you know,
I guess I'd go with Wentz against the Eagles and
see how that plays out, and you know, hoping that
he begins to really find his stride with the Vikings,
which I think he's capable doing. You know what's watching
(40:02):
how Sam Darnold is doing lots and Dan what about
Daniel Jones?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Many times it's been tremendous. Yes, it's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, it's it's it's just been fascinating. And what uh,
what are the possibility for Brosner? Is he like, is
he you know, is he game ready?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, if it was up to the if it was
up to the producer of this show, Brozemer would start.
It wouldn't be Wentz or u J. J. McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Brozemer is was was very good with Minnesota obviously University
of Minnesota. In his one year, it feels like he's
got he's like, you know, ten years older than his
real age. So I said, it's possible that Wentz will
be the starter and Brosemer might be the backup. If
they say, well, we really even haven't got enough practice
time yet, in which aja he's not close enough for
(40:52):
him to actually be active, I think that's a very
that's a that's a decent possibility.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So it I I don't think the Vikings quarterback situation
has ever been more interesting than it is right now,
for including the reasons you laid out. The people that
they were in the running for had on this roster
that for financial reasons they felt like they couldn't bring back.
In the case of Darnold, they offered more money to
Daniel Jones than the Colts, but I think Jones understood
(41:20):
he had a better chance to compete for the starting
job there than he did here. And even Aaron Rodgers,
who they flirted with, no question, yeah, he loanted to
come here, has looked, you know, not as spectacular as
the other two guys, but has looked very solid and
he has the Steelers with a record of four and one.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Yeah, you know, I had a fun discussion before getting
on with you with Justin and I was just remembering
back to growing up and the Vikings, you know that
I really loved, and that the offensive line with ron
Yerry and Ed White and Mick Kinglehoff and those guys,
and then of course Bill Brown, Dave Osbourne, Tarkenton that
(42:01):
you know, you just you saw them play Sunday after
Sunday and it got hurt, I suppose, But they weren't
out like as much as the players of these days.
You didn't have that the hamstrings and the ankles and
the knee injuries. That seemed like And I don't know
if the players are just bigger now or there's more
violence or or what it is, but that's an interesting discussion.
(42:22):
I think, like, how, you know what, how has the
game changed you where all these players are getting hurt
so much? It is a violent game, for sure, And
but yeah, I just I don't remember those guys missing games,
am I Am I wrong about?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
In the day, it didn't feel like in pretty much
any sport, certainly baseball with pitchers basketball, it appears that
there are a lot more injuries now. It's it's just
it's a very different world. It's almost as if the
debate is whether athletes are being overtrained now in a
way that in the old days. You know, if you're
a football player pro FOOTBA player, in the old days,
(42:59):
you couldn't train in the off season because you needed
another job. You worked as a teacher, or whatever the
case may be. So it remains to me be seen.
It is interesting, Michael. The last text I got what
is truly tougher in this world? Brokering peace in the
Middle East or just being able to commit to a
sustained quarterback for your Minnesota Vikings. And I sensed with
you you were struggling with your answer more about the
(43:21):
Vikings quarterback situation than you were the Middle East, which
should tell us everything we need to know.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So that's too good for great to catch up with you.
Outstanding analysis is always my friend, and we will talk soon.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Thanks Michael, Thanks very much, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Mike Hurley, former CIA officer, I Dinah's own. He's got
hockey royalty in his family, Connor and.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
A huge sports group.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But we have him on for his outstanding analysis on
Middle East, well not just Middle East, of geopolitical stuff
in this case Middle East for sure. We are late
for the Top five at five, and we are guest
free the rest of the way, so we'll have a
lot of time to get back into Eagles week. I
got a couple of other controversial subjects on the table,
and we'll get to a mini version of Top five.
(44:13):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I've got KOC on JJ, We've got a Detroit Lions suspended,
the Titans fire a coach, and the MLB playoffs, believe
it or not, are still going on. As far as
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against Michigan State. Yes, he's planning to coach now, we
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Time for another installment of dairy Land Diaries.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I it's emotional for me.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know the last time we played that SoundBite
that open dairy Land Diaries used to be a weekly
staple of the Bumper Bumper program, and over the years,
because you know, we work so hard to fresh and
stuff up, we decided to go in different directions.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Didn't want to run any ground.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Last thing we want to do on this show is
run and run anything into the ground, correct, And so.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It kind of went away.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now I kind of miss it, and maybe this will
be the nugget that reopens the door to a new
golden era.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know what I'm saying. I think it's possible. I'm
with you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This isn't a lengthy story, but god, it's a classic.
And this falls out of the classification of Have I
fact checked this one?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Because I don't want to because it's too good to
not be true.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Here's the tweet.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Today, I helped push a random girl's car from an
illegal spot forty feet down to a legal spot to
avoid a toe.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The car worked fine.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
We had to push it because none of the eight
people around us could blow a zero and she had
a DUI device. It was truly the most Wisconsin form
of Midwestern hospitality.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
How good is that? I don't even know if it's true,
But it's brilliant? Is it not? None of it? We're
all fright, what do we get nailed?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, they have a device, it's your smart start. They
won't start. They won't start, yeah, start, So they have.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
To push it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
They couldn't find one person to get in the driver's seat.
There were eight, they said, and none of them wanted
to risk blowing into the device. You get in trouble, Well,
that's a good question. So if someone else blows into
the device, yeah, Well, all it will happen is just
won't start, right, you won't necessarily Is there a system there.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Where to lertch the cops at that point, I would
depend on the system. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, but if you had the sober mabe, I should
know I'm smart start guy. Yeah, smart star sources. You
might be able to answer that question.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
They would.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, you would like to think that if you did
have the sober person, they would actually just drive, as
opposed to having to just blow into it so someone
else could drive.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Now, I think that's one hundred percent believable.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's one hundred percent believable, and it's it's it's Hall
of fame level though, I mean, because it involves so
many people. It's like, we got to move this thing. Well,
just Johnny get in the car or just drive it
and then everything will be fine. Won't start, it won't start,
can't do it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I tried it. Now, what he didn't say is how
many actually tried it? Right? That's what I would be.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The kicker to the story would be all eight of
us tried it convinced that wow, I or no, I'm fine,
I'm not gonna got the wrong reading and got the
wrong reading, and they say, well, now we got no choice,
but we're gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man, We're just gonna have to push it or pull it,
whatever the case may be. How good is that I
want to have to run that one by Gerby. Yeah,
I just want to know what town, what city? Like?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Did they need Wow?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
How are they parked legally in the first place and
only forty feet to get to the actual good spot?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's good?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Was this a downtown situation? Was there meet or expired?
There's so many questions, Like you say, I'd love to
see some follow up. My one hesitation about following it
up was finding out that it wasn't true. I think
it's one but I think it's certainly believable. And nobody
works harder together than a group of drunk people, like
you really have a good boontu. But yeah, but most
(04:22):
of them aren't really capable of doing any That's why
it's beautiful, because they've got great plans and great ideas.
It's just the execution of the idea is sometimes a
little tough.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
The tweet was offered up by somebody named Sean rn I.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
The responses are interesting, Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
For example, Minie Haha at Beer Underscore, Wisconsin reacted this way,
people don't understand the open, sociability and the fun of
a busy bar outweigh the negative health effects of alcohol.
Wisconsin drinks way more, but the and deathday just still
above normal. His theory is that even though people drink
(05:04):
more in Wisconsin, they actually live longer because the positive
parts of the mingling in a social setting outweigh the alcohol.
And now that might be convenient logic, even though you
know that's what he wants to believe.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Here's another response. This is why you keep balloons in
the car. You blow them up before you start drinking.
You then untie them and let them blow into the
DUI device to start the car planning your work and
working your plan. I can't even imagine. Were you aware
(05:44):
of that being a way to I was not.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
That seems dangerous.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It is.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, it doesn't sound great.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Then, Courtney tweeted one time I had to pick a
friend up for work because she had a blower on
her car and still wasn't sober enough at eight am
to get her car started after we went out the
night before. That's not good. Eight am after means look
at it be a buzzkill. Or we had a great
time last night, tweeter crash Davis. We don't appreciate Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Enough.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
That's probably one of the most cheesehead things. Ever, there's
a lot of good response to this thing, and the
balloon thing was interesting to me. I didn't even know.
I'm you know that's that sounds like you're cheating the system.
The next Yeah, but that would probably be big in Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah,
I guess I don't love it. Uh well, I can't
(06:46):
read that one. There's someone there, there's someone there there
that good to read. In any case, I hope this,
you know, maybe gets the creative juices going and that
our listeners will be because, let's face it, a lot
of times we're getting this material from our listeners. That
this will inspire them to be more vigilant yep, and
to reintroduce dairy land diary. So that's more than once
(07:08):
every eight or nine months. We don't want to devalue
it and just offer one items that aren't worth the trouble.
But I think they's still fertile territory out there, fertile ground.
We're just not any longer. I guess you could say
harvesting it the way we once did and could you know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It also hurts us.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I think the loss of community newspapers and radio stations
because we used to get a lot of them from
the small point.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You get them from the smaller papers that weren't reporting
on a lot of the state wide stuff, but they
had situations that popped up. They had sources in the
local police precincts and things like that. You lose a
lot of that. I think interesting smart start update. If
you blow into the smart start it will warn you
and not allow another test for five minutes. If a
(07:55):
second blow is over the limit, the device locks you
out for the day. There you go, that's good, that's safe.
So that's why those eight couldn't do it. They couldn't
even they couldn't risk it. Wouldn't even matter. How far
is forty feet? Forty feet?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
That's how they said that. How far? Didn't you said
how far they were moving it? How far is that?
It's four basketball hoops?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Probably? Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, probably from like the back of my room to
the back of your room, probably somewhere along those lines,
not too far. If you have eight people pushing a car,
I assume they could. Couldn't you lift it? If you
have eight people? No, No, I don't think so, No, No,
that's a lot I don't think you could lift it?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, was it?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know if it's a monster truck. I mean
it's like a ukon. What about a Cooper?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Like a camera? People lift Mini Cooper? Yeah? Probably probably
could get a Cooper. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The problem there though, is could you fit eight people
around Mini Cooper? No, that's a good that's a great point, right.
You'd have to have them very very carefully spaced. I
think you'd just throw it into neutral and push.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, that's probably true. Uh, grant in your hand.
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Speaker 3 (09:46):
Where was the well?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I got to be more specific. I was about to
say where was the Larrymondela guy text? I got to distinguish,
like which Larry text and which hour that I wanted
to get to earlier?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Where did it go? Evan from Fridley. No guys talk
one of this when it's moving. Ash's opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This is related to my recommendation book recommendation to Johnny Athletic.
I'm rereading The Exorcist, a book that was written I
think it was published seventy one. The movie came out
honestly two or three years later. Very good sound track.
If you look up the song tubular Bells, it was
(10:40):
the instrumental score soundtrack to that film and was a
top forty hit at the time. Very unusual, you know,
given it was just an instrumental but very good stuff.
Larry Mandella guy says, my biggest complain about The Exercist
was that the split piece soup used as vomit was
(11:01):
to cloudy.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
The split key suit was too cloudy. I think he
got corporate involves.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Sometimes you have to I mean, sometimes that's exactly what
you have to do. Updated, you know, though the Vikings
didn't play this week, I did update my handy dandy
weekly Vikings quarterback Power rankings. Not a lot of movement,
to be honest, A little bit of movement at the top,
but I still have I think for either.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
The second or third week in a row. Danny Dimes
number one. They had.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Kind of a surprisingly tough encounter, was it with the Cardinals? Yes,
and they still won. But they by the way, also,
I think they've had running back injuries. They've had a
bunch of injuries too, and they keep winning. Danny Dimes one.
I've got Sam Donold back up to two. We both
blew that pick. He went on the road and had
(12:03):
a did you see the long touchdown pass he threw
in that game under pressure? Big time throw, and they
beat the Jags to recover nicely from the game that
Darnold blew the week before the late pick. I've got
a Rodge three, again, not spectacular but accurate. Who's the
X Seattle receiver he's got now? He is Metcalf DK Metcalf.
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Their chemistry is big time man. Well, they were throwing
together in the Pittsburgh area high school. There we go
summer Metcalf, they worked it. Metcalf has always been one
of my favorite receivers. I just like to know of
those big physically huge because he's enormous, but he can
still move yep. So I got Rogers three because they're
they're smart, they're not asking to do too much. But
he's making accurate throws. And there I think four and
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one they are. I got Carson Wentz four. I got
Kirk Cousins back in the top ten at five because
the rumors continue to be he's going to be a
ail at the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Know who's gonna want them. I guess the obvious team
would be the Bengals, unless they're so buried by then. Yeah,
uh bother did you also see? This might be top
five to five worthy? This sound this commentary from Tua
from Tomlin, Oh, from Tomlin on the Browns decision to
trade them. Tomlin savages the general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers. No,
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the Cleveland Browns in doing so. I mean it was
about as frontal weird a a rip as one can get.
Now again, they're in the same division. I think that's
part of what's what bugged them. I've got Max Brosmer six.
Brosmer might well be this is not crazy to consider,
boys and girls. Max Brosmer might be your be your
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backup quarterback to Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
On Sunday, I don't think that's out landish at all. Yeah,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Cam Akers drops to seven. Although he didn't really do
it wrong, I still have to keep him in the
top ten. When he threw that's probably the best throw
pass we've had thrown all seasons.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It was nice. The receiver was.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Wide open, perfectly run trick plays, so they don't have
to hit him.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Pdue tried it. They threw an interception, so you still
have to find a way past not eight. Case Keenum
nine and Jake Browning drops to ten. Also receiving votes
this week. JJ McCarthy and Jeff George also receiving Lives
Full of Slappies. Do we still have that one? That's
probably gone somewhere. It's not on any of our button back.
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That was to the Pa and Debay show, is it not?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think so? Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Did they have him on regularly or was that just
like a one shot deal? I don't remember, because that
would have been that's the Denny era. Yeah, that would
have been like the two thousand Jeff George, I want
to say, right, and so, I don't know if they
had him regularly or not. They may have brought to
you by Continental Diamond good point. It's very true. So
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I think it's I think it's a fair list at
this point. So right now I have one, two, and
three quarterbacks that the Vikings all passed on that could
have had any of them to start the twenty twenty
five season.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And it's that's how it's worked out so far.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They have They've all played well, and probably none more
than Coltsky.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
He's been great. He's been really really good. We'll see
if it holds up.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
All right, We're going to move to the A section
away from the toy department in our next segment to
chat with our good friend Michael Hurley, former off CIA
officer who worked in the Middle East several times post
nine to eleven, worked on the nine to eleven Commission,
in fact, help write the report that the nine to
eleven Commission put together. And I want to get his
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reaction to the news out of the Middle East. President
is in or was in Israel and hostages, the remaining
Hot Living Living hostages have been released dramatic video they
what do we make of this? I guess breakthrough? Can
it last? Is always the devil in the details. We'll
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get all of that and what as I mentioned his
thinking might be. Mister Hurley's very honest with us and
usually very very thought provoking as well. So if you
have questions for him regarding the agreement six four six
eighty six, that is the Bradshawn Bryant k f a
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N text line, we'll be back with him, and then
in the five o'clock I'm sure we'll get back to
Eagles Week.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Always a pleasure to catch up with our good friend.
Michael Hurley, e Dinah's own former career CIA officer, also
helped write the worked on the nine to eleven Commission
kind of in the front office, so to speak, and
help write the nine to eleven report as well, and
anytime a major international story breaks out, we love to
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get his UH wisdom, expertise and analysis, and he agrees
to join us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Michael Hurley, how have.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You been, Hi, Dan, I've been great. Great to be
back on with you.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
A lot of travel lately or you've been kind of
home standing it? What's it been like lately?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
A fair amount of domestic travel as two to Dallas'
purtuit to Miami and trip to Spain. Internationally, a lot
going on.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Nice Where in Spain? Is this business and or pleasure
or both? Or what can you tell us.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
A little bit of both. I'm a consultant, as you know, Dan,
for international companies and technology companies, mostly on I have
some contacts in the network in Madrid that's helped a
few of these companies out. So I go there to
work on.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That beautiful place to hang out in as well well.
Thanksgiving us some time again, toss up question. I want
to read you a couple of sentences from a Wall
Street Journal analysis that may have dropped earlier today.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Here's what they write.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
When Hamas's leader Khalil al Haya first saw President Trump's
plan for peace in Gaza, which demanded his group disarm
with few concrete steps to ensure Israel would end the war,
his immediate reaction was no. The plan, heavily amended by
Israel and presented Hamas by the Katari Prime Minister and
Egypt's spy chief, looked nothing like what Haya had been
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led to expect. Officials familiar with the discussions set less
than a month earlier. He'd been a target of Israel's
audacious attack on Hamas in Qatar told his cut of
visitors the group would keep its Israeli hostages until it
had enforceable guarantees the war would end. Two days later,
Hamas came back to Arab mediators with a yes. The
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deal really hadn't changed the pressure on Hamas had They
lay out that Egypt and Katar told him the deal
was his last chance to end the war. According to
the officials, they pressed Hamas to understand that holding the
hostages was becoming a strategic liability, and the next day,
joined by Turkey, they warned him that if Amas didn't
approve the plan, it would be stripped of all political
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and diplomatic cover. Went on from there. Do you agree
with that analysis of exactly why Hamas came to the
table here or seemed willing to say yes after it
had previously said no without any real adjustments to the deal.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
It sounds right to me, Dan for such a sudden
change and shift on Hamas's part, And I think the
key the key to this was getting Turkey and Egypt
and cut to our all lining up behind what the
Trump administration's diplomacy was, and that pressure essentially telling the
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Hamas leader that Amos would be cut off completely, probably
economically financially, but with any political support as well too
from those countries. Probably led to that change of heart.
That was a stark reality that the leader, I'm sure assessed,
and it makes sense to me that that might account
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for his change.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Should this deal as you understand it with obviously which
we're very short way into it, but as it stands
as a deal, should it be lauded, and should the
President of the United States get a good amount of
the credit.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yes, I think this is a it's a significant step forward.
Just to me, getting the hostages returned to their loved
ones in Israel, that was a that that's a big step,
and I think we need to applaud that. It's heartwarming
to see that happen, and no one could deny that
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that is is really an important step forward. Again, I
think for that to come into play, the administration had
to really be working on building support among these key
players in the region Turkey, Egypt, cut Our and others
to get their support lined up for that, and so
I thought it was quite remarkable today the summit at
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Charmel Shaikh in Egypt, where all these leaders in the
region and also the world gathered to support this initial step,
so I think we can say that it's significant, we
should be happy about it. There's a lot of work
that remains to be done, though, because obviously there's some key,
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key events and provisions that have to fall into place
for a lasting piece.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Jeff asks to follow up on that observation, asks what
everybody's asking at this point, Does Michael believe there's any
chances as actually real where there will there honestly be
calm in the Middle East?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Now, Well, that's that's a great question. I think I've
learned not to be over overly optimistic about that region,
the the the the wars and the conflict Dan as
you know, and raging all of our lives, and and
and and before that even and we like to think
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when there's these important good events that happened, that that's
going to be a signal a shift. I hope. So,
but we have to really wait to see what happens,
because as I said, there's much hard work to be done,
and key things will Hamas totally disarmed, for example, that
will be that that would be a key step Israel
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has pulled out according to the agreement and the ceasefire
to they've moved further out of the heart of Gaza,
but they're still in Gaza. And at what point will
they move their forces out? And there is just a
number of other things as well too, but this, this
to disarm is a central point. Then how will God
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that be governed? What is going to be the constitution
of that government? Will it have legitimacy for the Palestinians there,
and will it lead to the prosperity that President Trump
and everybody else really that's pulling for peace, hopes for
all that remains to be seen. I think we do
need to applaud where we are today, but we also
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have to be realistic about the hard work that remains ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know, let's go back a little ways. In fact,
quite a ways. I saw I don't know how this
video showed up on my ex you thread, you know
how these things happen. You get you get lost in
this stuff sometimes then stuff I guess they figure this
is what you're interested in, so we're going to give
it to you.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And it was a comment.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
There was a speech or a part of a speech
from Bill Clinton, and I don't know how far back
it goes. And you've seen variations of of his comments before.
I'm sure you've seen some from Hillary Clinton, and in
this case, Bill is basically sort of reviewing what he
believes is one of the central tragedies of the Middle East.
Story that he had that the Palestinians once upon a
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time had in front of them PLO as good a
deal as one could possibly ever imagine them getting in
terms of land, et cetera, and they walked away from it.
Do you agree with that? Is that one of the
great swings and missus? Do you think it was more
complicated than that? And how close do you think we
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came for that breakthrough being the breakthrough?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I think we did come close. And I'm trying to
remember exactly what peace agreement that was, Is that Oslo
was that?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Was that.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Some other event or significant agreement or near agreement. I
just don't remember, but I do recall, and I actually
recall all Clinton's remarks about that they it did seem
to be a very good deal. Often these leaders, I
don't know if that was Yasir Arafat at the time
it was the head of the p l O, but
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often they would be they would be captured in a
way and influenced most by the most radical members of
their of their the most radical faction of their movement,
for example. And maybe he was under pressure not to
accept it. I don't really know. I don't really remember
all the dynamics of it. But uh, it was that,
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you know, inability to accept some form of compromise that
actually really would have worked out to the benefit of
the Palestinians in the longer term, and turning your back
on that led to further conflict than years of conflict ahead.
So uh, yeah, the bus has been missed many many
times in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Let me ask you a couple others, a couple of
other good questions, well before I get to a couple
more from the text line, because a bunch of folks
have a lot of questions to try to get to
you before we wrap things up here close to the
top of the five o'clock hour. One of them, I've
gotten a variation of several of these, is that whether
in the end, what we're going to find out about
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this deal. It was what was presented in part to
Hamas was all right, now we're serious. You either agree
to this, release the hostages or else the old or
else It's something even more violent was coming their way,
that the hammer with the President's approval was going to
be dropped down on them, and that also played a
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part of this.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
What do you think, Well, yeah, I think a couple
of weeks ago, I think it was when President Trump
made that made that announcement of these were the conditions
that were being laid down. Here's the deal except this
or the US is going to step back and essentially
Israel is going to be turned loose even far more
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in a far more destructive way than it had been
over the last two years in Gaza, and and sort
of saying that US would not intervene to rain Israel
in if that were to happen. So that ultimatum at
the time, I remember reading it and thinking, I'm not
sure if this will work, but I think there were
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teeth behind it, and it appears to have worked at
least to get Hamas's attention and lead to this and
and lead to this deal on the hostages, which, as
I said, I think is an important step forward.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You mentioned there are this is a long process and
there are still a number of other steps, and it
is the Middle East, and so I think people can
hail this as you have properly and still kept their
eyes open to say, well, it's it's it's volatile there.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It's always been volable there.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
There's been a number of close calls, some swings and misses,
et cetera. So you don't know yet. What you know
is there's there is progress. It's an interesting framework. Here,
give me a couple of examples of where it might
start in your mind to break down.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Sure, happy to do that. And I just think in general,
when events occur, people kind of all we all just
human nature. We want to if they're good, we want
to celebrate them, and I think that's important. We want
to sort of declare a victory. We seek practical solutions often,
I think, particularly in the Middle East, it's not really
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an area that's open to practical solutions and the problem
and being able to sort of say problem solved, wash
your hands of it. I think back in and you
remember this just an analogy really to President George W.
Bush and mission accomplished in Iraq. Remember that the mission
was accomplished for three or four months into going into Iraq. Well,
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it turned out that wasn't the case, and the conflict
lingered for years after that. Uh, sort of sort of
similarly on this. I'm hopeful that these positive steps forward
will lead to, you know, really a good outcome. But
in response to your question, it could break down in
a number of ways. The the US is going to
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deploy two hundred troops there, I think to help with
the peacekeeping and getting supplies in. And there are I'm
sure forces that don't want Peple and you know they
they may well try some sort of attack on the
on those on those troops. Uh. Of course the commanders
are gonna be very well aware of that and take
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every precaution to protect them. But you just never know
what's going to happen there. Remember the bombing of the
Marine barracks during the Reagan administration, and and so that
could derail something.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
The Israeli troops inside of Gaza necessary to be there
to to to enforce the ceasefire. But you know, if
radicals who want to blow this thing up to start
taking potshots that Israeli soldiers, that could that could lead
to a blow up as well too. If Hamas doesn't disarm,
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which is what is real wants, of course, that that
could lead to derailing this. There is any number of
other things that could occur that the governance question in
in in in in Gaza, for example, I think is
that's going to be a very key question. Who's going
to have political control in in Gaza. You know, I'm
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curious and I I maybe you may know more about
this than I I do, Dan, But where where is
Saudi Arabian all of this? It's kind of interesting because
I know Jared Kushner, the president son in law, has
very close relations with the leader in Saudi Arabian. I'm
guessing that there's been a lot of behind the scenes
negotiation and diplomacy going on. I would also guess that
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Saudi Arabia will be lined up in such a such
a tremendously rich country, uh to be deeply involved in
the rebuilding effort in Gaza, which is going to be
a massive, massive project, and so much destruction has taken
place there. So I'm curious about the Saudi role. I
just haven't seen that much written about it. Maybe maybe
you have seen something. But there are a number of
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There are just a number of these things as we
go forward that are going to have to be addressed.
And I'm not going to suggest that the easy part
is done. Because this first part was hard to get
the agreement to release the hostages, and that's that's significant.
But there are really very very difficult challenges that lie ahead.
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And I think seems obviously the administration is is committed
to devoting the attention and the resources to to pushing
those our goals forward and and and goals towards peace.
So it will be fascinating to watch what happens. But
it's not over yet, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
To your point about the Saudi Arabian role, I don't
know if we can connect these dots or not, but
I did think it was interesting. The Washington Post had
a piece, I think it was last week. US military
files reviewed by the Post show that Iran's threat was
the main driver of expanded Israeli Arab security cooperation under
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US Central Command. The Regional Security construct includes Israel, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan,
Saudi Arabia, and the UAE, with Kuwait and Oman briefed
as potential partners, and there were some other countries involved
there as well. Now that's we're talking about Iran, but
I think we may have gotten into this last time
we had you on. There's sometimes I know publicly some
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of the Arab countries have not been all that interested
in raising their hands regarding some of these, you know,
these security arrangements. But it definitely feels as if this
is that there's significant momentum this. I don't know if
this plays into this deal as well, but a lot
more cooperation than there is savagery between Israel and many
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of these countries, at least in terms of security.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, remember the Israeli strikes against Iran in the spring
and the successful strikes, and then of course the US
strikes on the nuclear facilities in Iran that really reduced
Iran's influence and certainly kind of we really put the
squeeze on his below, which is the main ally of
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Iran in the region. So there's no question and that
there's been just a great deal of I think successful
diplomacy taking place behind the scenes with the Saudis, with
the other regional powers. Saudi Arabia is by far the
richest country of the region, and that wealth is going
to be critical to any hope for prosperity, for prosperity
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in Gaza. Those countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, they
have not wanted historically to have massive numbers of Palestinian
refugees coming into their countries for all kinds of reasons.
Spot so they've been much more interested in keeping them
in Gaza and in the West Bank and you know, rebuilding,
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rebuilding their economies there. That makes sense from their point
of view. So I think that that's probably the game
that Saudi is playing. But you were talking about the
military alliances, and that is key because it really comes
down to this Sunni Shia issue, to that conflict with
Iran being a Shia country, Shia Muslim country, and Saudi
Arabia and the other Arab country is being Sunni, and
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Saudi Arabia is deeply, deeply concerned about the threat from Iran,
and that really does, I think pose the basis for
US and Saudi Israeli cooperation that you described.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I'm looking at a uh in this case is from
the former chess master Gary Kasparov, and he is offering this,
I guess cautionary note with actually linkage to some brutal,
brutal video of what appears to be Hamas doing in
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some street executions of Palestinians in Gaza. The war between
Hamas and Israel may be over for now, but the
Hamas war on Palestinians is not and and that's part
of the wildcard you talked about earlier. That's that's very
vital and it raises the larger question for me. We'll
see video in the last several months, especially from folks
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in that area who say they are they do not
want to be represented by Hamas. They don't believe in Hamas.
They believe Hamas has actually been destructive for the cause.
So how how have they been have they been able
to maintain their their toll hold?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Who do they represent in over the last let's say,
ten fifteen years. Do they represent as many people as
they want to believe or or is it a much
limited group and no one else can kind of get
any sort of momentum going to help root them out.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, I think they I think they don't represent very
many as many people as they like the world to believe.
I think they've maintained their power through cohesiveness, political cohesiveness,
and also through brutal, brutal tactics. They have the weaponry,
they have the ability to basically execute get rid of
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anybody that you know doesn't play their game. And that's
what happens so I think the population has largely been
living in fear of the Hamas leadership, and it's just
they just imposed it through through through brutal tactics, and
it's fascinating too. Like, so how do you how do
you actually get them to disarm, because many will fear
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if they disarmed that they'll be killed. Of course, that's
that's one thing. And I've heard, I've seen some discussion
that they'll they will be given choices of amnesty or
being able to leave the country to seek asylum elsewhere.
But then you have the issue of the countries not
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wanting to receive them because they don't want to have
radical elements coming into their societies and radicalizing their countries.
So those are thorny, thorny problems. But it's clear that
Israel and its tactics has severely weakened Hamas. But you know,
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people tend to try to hang on to power as
long as they can because they fear the consequences of
what will happen to them if they have it stripped
away or they give it up.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Last item from back inside the toy department, away from
international affairs, let's talk about your favorite football team.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
The question on the table.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Off the buy is what the Vikings do at quarterback
against the Philadelphia Eagles. Do they go with Carson Wentz
yet again, fresh off a very good late drive after
a kind of an inconsistent performance throughout or do they
hand the keys back over to the kid that they
intended to run the show if it stayed healthy this
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entire season. JJ McCarthy, what would coach Hurley do this
month and this coming Sunday.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
That's that's really really a tough question. I watching those
first couple of games, at least the parts of the
games that I was able to see, I just kind
of felt, look, you've got a rookie quarterback, and you
expect mistakes that come back against the Bears, and that
what was the fourth quarter was was great. I'd given
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up on that game, yes, the third quarter, and so
that was that was fun to see. I don't know,
like I just I wonder I sometimes whether whether Kevin O'Connell,
you know what he really thinks now after you know,
seeing what he's seen for the first couple of games, Uh,
is Went's going to hit his trust stride. I think
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that's possible. I just, you know what, what's what's hard
for me, and I think for a lot of fans
is knowing that you've got one of the best receiving
corps in the game, right like with with Addison and
and uh and Justin Jefferson and you know, Naylor and
and and Feeling, yeah, Zeeland, all of them, and you know,
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just getting the ball to them and letting them them
do their things. So who can do that? I you know,
I guess I'd go with Wentz against the Eagles and
see how that plays out, and you know, hoping that
he begins to really find his stride with the Vikings,
which I think he's capable doing. You know what's watching
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how Sam Darnold is doing lots and Dan what about
Daniel Jones?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Many times it's been tremendous. Yes, it's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, it's it's it's just been fascinating. And what uh,
what are the possibility for Brosner? Is he like, is
he you know, is he game ready?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, if it was up to the if it was
up to the producer of this show, Brozemer would start.
It wouldn't be Wentz or u J. J. McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Brozemer is was was very good with Minnesota obviously University
of Minnesota. In his one year, it feels like he's
got he's like, you know, ten years older than his
real age. So I said, it's possible that Wentz will
be the starter and Brosemer might be the backup. If
they say, well, we really even haven't got enough practice
time yet, in which aja he's not close enough for
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him to actually be active, I think that's a very
that's a that's a decent possibility.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So it I I don't think the Vikings quarterback situation
has ever been more interesting than it is right now,
for including the reasons you laid out. The people that
they were in the running for had on this roster
that for financial reasons they felt like they couldn't bring back.
In the case of Darnold, they offered more money to
Daniel Jones than the Colts, but I think Jones understood
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he had a better chance to compete for the starting
job there than he did here. And even Aaron Rodgers,
who they flirted with, no question, yeah, he loanted to
come here, has looked, you know, not as spectacular as
the other two guys, but has looked very solid and
he has the Steelers with a record of four and one.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Yeah, you know, I had a fun discussion before getting
on with you with Justin and I was just remembering
back to growing up and the Vikings, you know that
I really loved, and that the offensive line with ron
Yerry and Ed White and Mick Kinglehoff and those guys,
and then of course Bill Brown, Dave Osbourne, Tarkenton that
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you know, you just you saw them play Sunday after
Sunday and it got hurt, I suppose, But they weren't
out like as much as the players of these days.
You didn't have that the hamstrings and the ankles and
the knee injuries. That seemed like And I don't know
if the players are just bigger now or there's more
violence or or what it is, but that's an interesting discussion.
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I think, like, how, you know what, how has the
game changed you where all these players are getting hurt
so much? It is a violent game, for sure, And
but yeah, I just I don't remember those guys missing games,
am I Am I wrong about?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
In the day, it didn't feel like in pretty much
any sport, certainly baseball with pitchers basketball, it appears that
there are a lot more injuries now. It's it's just
it's a very different world. It's almost as if the
debate is whether athletes are being overtrained now in a
way that in the old days. You know, if you're
a football player pro FOOTBA player, in the old days,
(42:59):
you couldn't train in the off season because you needed
another job. You worked as a teacher, or whatever the
case may be. So it remains to me be seen.
It is interesting, Michael. The last text I got what
is truly tougher in this world? Brokering peace in the
Middle East or just being able to commit to a
sustained quarterback for your Minnesota Vikings. And I sensed with
you you were struggling with your answer more about the
(43:21):
Vikings quarterback situation than you were the Middle East, which
should tell us everything we need to know.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So that's too good for great to catch up with you.
Outstanding analysis is always my friend, and we will talk soon.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Thanks Michael, Thanks very much, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Mike Hurley, former CIA officer, I Dinah's own. He's got
hockey royalty in his family, Connor and.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
A huge sports group.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But we have him on for his outstanding analysis on
Middle East, well not just Middle East, of geopolitical stuff
in this case Middle East for sure. We are late
for the Top five at five, and we are guest
free the rest of the way, so we'll have a
lot of time to get back into Eagles week. I
got a couple of other controversial subjects on the table,
and we'll get to a mini version of Top five.
(44:13):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I've got KOC on JJ, We've got a Detroit Lions suspended,
the Titans fire a coach, and the MLB playoffs, believe
it or not, are still going on. As far as
far as you know, Signetti is off this moment, is
still coaching Indiana. He's planning to have a homecoming in
against Michigan State. Yes, he's planning to coach now, we
don't know about tomorrow.
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