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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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rivalry for granted.
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Two minutes and twenty six seconds past three o'clock Central
Standard time, we welcome you back to a Friday Football
Beast edition of the Bumper to Bumper program at the
start of what is promising to be an extremely balmy
weekend here in the Twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Guardsy is on his way to Chicago, Illinois to track
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the Golden Gopher football team as they take on Northwestern
at Wrigley Field tomorrow, a game that could be heard
right here on the fan pregame show. I'm assuming you'll
start at nine, opening kickoff just past eleven, So Brett
Blake Moore is back in that share. I'm the host
of the program. My name is Dan Barrero, form Rings
Saint Retch newspaper of the Twin Cities. A bit of
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a swap from a guest standpoint. Today, Lovel joins us
usually at five point thirty on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
He joined us yesterday so.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We could accommodate the very busy schedule of Russo Radio.
Russo is scheduled for five o'clock, so you're off the
hook for Top five to five Brett Blake Moore in
addition Gerby and the Picks at three thirty and Ben Gesling,
who will also be of course headed to well not
Chicago but to another Midwestern rival town Green Bay for
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the Vikings Packers game is scheduled for four thirty tonight,
so guests at three thirty, four thirty, and five o'clock.
Bratchaw On Brian Kfan text line is open at six
four six eight six. I will say that the you
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know me, I'm a big sports history guy. I have
great respect for what's come before. Respect's probably the wrong term,
because some stuff's not worth respecting that's come before. But
it's all part of what do we say the other day,
past his prologue. It all fits together in this cosmic wheel,
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and to that extent, we love studying real like you know,
A section history on this show, B section history on
this show, and C section that would be of course
the sports department, the toy department, as the late great
Bob Knight used to call it as well, And in
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this case I'm referring specifically to the long standing rivalry
between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears. Now
should say in the Minnesota Vikings. Now I should say,
maybe that's a Freudian slip, because our three p thirty
guest will say the Bears are arrival. He has always
refused to accept the possibility that the Vikings and Packers
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are rivals. Where do you stand on that? Are you
more I mean, in all in all honesty, they're both rivals.
But in your pecking order, do you put Bears Packers
ahead of Vikings Packers or not so much?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, the right answers they're both rivals. Yes, if you
have to rank them, I would rank it as this.
Who would I be more mad to lose to? Okay,
that's a good way, but I think I'd be more
mad losing to the Bears. I can at least respect
the Vikings organizations, fine, but the Bears.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, you don't want to lose the Bears. Have you
played the Bears yet this year?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We have not? So, yeah, this is a lot of
and this is the first time the Vikings and Packers
have played this year. Right, So there's a lot of
good rivalry games coming for pretty much everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I think in this division.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
The when I say the football gods never cheated or
never took I guess you could say this rivalry for granted.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
By that, I mean it's a rich history. It is.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean for both teams, and at Lambeau especially. I
would argue there have been some unbelievable lows from a
Viking standpoint, and some remarkable highs as well. We have
our good friend Chipskoggins to thank for kind of laying
out some of those big moments, little moments, famous moments
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from again from a Vikings perspective, and infamous moments as well.
I think he buried the lead a little bit with
his last item, which was number fifteen. Now maybe it's
because it goes back all the way to nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He did acknowledge also that these were not in any
particular order. I would put this one closer to the top,
and some of the kids have heard about it, but
maybe weren't around for it. I was there for that
game at Lambeau Field. I can remember it like yesterday,
and it remains for me covered many many many games
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at Lambeau over the years, it remains for me the
single most memorable moment between Vikings and Packers. Again from
the Vikings positivity standpoint, and that, of course would be
nineteen ninety eight, the fifth game of Randy Moss's rookie season.
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He'd been good, but that night he officially and completely arrived.
And I did find a series of highlights that lays
out pretty effectively what it felt like from a broadcast standpoint,
from an atmospheric standpoint that night. It was a Monday
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night game and it was in fairly inclement weather.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Pregame I can remember. I don't remember what.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
TV station I was affiliated with then, but doing some
pregame stuff, and it was I mean, it was wet then,
it was raining. Now by game time, my recollection is
most of the rain had abated a bit. I'm sure
we have people in our audience who were at that ballgame, because,
as I said, I remember it very well.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But it was all about Moss.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It wasn't like he was the only guy who played
well for the Vikings, but it was mainly about that.
Oh my god, this guy's wired different, he's built different.
And to a certain extent, the Green Bay Packers were
never the same in terms of their approach to drafting
and signing cornerbacks and safeties. After this particular game involving Moss.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Let's listen.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think it's going to be mainly Al Michael's, Danny
Dierdorf and a couple of others on the call and
the analysis. Let's go down memory lane as a good
example of the football gods never taking this rivalry for granted.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
First thousand and forty eight yard line, Randol run deep.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Again, adjusting his Moss, and then Randy Moss squeezes his
way into the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It is unbelievable. He just throws it up and these
guys can catch the football. This is like a circus
out here with these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Randy Moss is the best young receiver that I have
seen ever.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Randy Moss live in the left make the Smith going
dup looking for Randy again.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Perfect throw, great catch.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Darren Sharper with good coverage. But what can you do?
I know what you can do.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can start looking for the football a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
This is three times now, only three linemen in the
Dams fans.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And Randall's swing it down for Randy Moss, who makes
the catch.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And takes it to the ten yard line.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I guess the answer is nobody. Really.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
What happens here is that you have two deep safeties
and prior has got to make that play.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's got to get on the sideline. It cannot allow
Randy Moss.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To go floating down the silent without anybody near him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is Randall Cunningham, and he's going for seven more
and his mass getting positioned toutch that he's unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Simultaneous possession goes to the offense. Randy, you have a ride,
five catches, one hundred and ninety yards, two touchdowns, and
the end of a twenty five game home winning streak.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
For the Packers.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's the other part of the story that should not
be taken for granted. The Packers back then just did
not lose at home, period, end of story. And to
not only lose, but to lose as convincingly as they did,
to be to a certain extent humiliated, at least defensively.
I think the final score is thirty seven to twenty four.
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I can tell you it's the only time I've ever
been to lambeau Field where by the end of the
game the place was half full. That's what's to happen there. Obviously,
they'll deny that it did. I can tell you it
happened because I was there and it was all It
was otherworldly throughout because you could see the expression on
the face of some of the dbs just as the
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game went on, almost resigned to it. Well, he's just
going to get another one. And by the way, as
what's pointed out on the broadcast, there was some bad
coverage that was part of it. But what we learned
about Moss that day was that astonishing ability to adjust
his pattern lanky, long and lean, and ability to reach
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over other players to grab to sort of pluck the
ball out of the air from other from defensive backs,
whatever the case may be. I still put it at
the top of the list, And as I said, Scoggins
has a great list.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Another big one from a Viking standpoint is when Farv
returned and through I think four touchdown passes, zero picks
in that game November one, two thousand and nine. So
we're talking basically what twenty years after, Yeah, basically twenty
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years after the uh no, what nineteen ninety eight, so
not twenty I still can't do the math. But a
while after Farv returning to where he had been King
and then dominating to the degree that he did. That's
got to be right up there too, that I guess
would be a eleven years later. Do you are you
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old enough to remember that one?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The far return? I mean, I was how old kid?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You were?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
A kissy says I was thirteen twelve. Do you have
any conscience?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I mean, do you have any Do you remember any
awareness of what was going on?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Or were you not that into it at that point?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I knew what was going I remember being devastated when
he left just to go to the Jets, and then
it was another kick below the Yeah, that's going to Minnesota.
But that's what he wanted to do, and you know
it worked out well for him that year thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Eight twenty six, I think was the Vikings victory November
one at two thousand and nine, and of course what
the story that night was. Not surprisingly when FARV came
out of the tunnel before the game, the vociferous booze
from the audience, because I would dare say, as much
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as it might have hurt for FARV to go to
the Jets, it had to hurt more to go to
the division rival, right, because the Jets are the Jets,
and it didn't really go that well if you were
call I mean, it was not a smashing a New
York Farre did not conquer New York, New York. It
was not a smashing success. But it was a huge
success here obviously, and when it's within the division, I
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think it is even greater.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Let's break.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I'll give you a chance for your sweetest Vikings Packers
memory from lambeau Field games. I'd like to limit it
to lambeau Field games because that's where the game will
be played on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
If you have your own suggestions, because we've.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Talked about many of these highs and lows over the
decades of this show. But it never hurts to go
back once again because it's quite timely at this point.
Six four six eighty six, the Bradshaw and Bryant kfe
and text line back in a minute. What's your game,
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Red Blake Moore Packers Vikings at lambeau what's most delicious
to you?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, the one I was at there was a game
that was started by Sean Manon because the thing it
was a COVID catastrophe with her cousins. And that's the
that's the term for it, and Aaron Rodgers and co.
Just went nuts on the Vikings and it was a
block aliating one of the coldest games I've ever been to,
one that I was not there for.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
To match you with sound, here's this.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Star laser up for Freeman and it's incomplete.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did he make the character the good thing?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It suck? He did what.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Over time? The Monday Night miracle they call it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
In fact, we just anniversaried that, I want to say,
earlier this month we played that. That one is astonishing
because in real time, like most people and unfortunately for
the Vikings, Chris Dishman, I didn't think it was you know,
he didn't look like there's any chance that it was caught.
It just looked like it was a meaningless play, right. Yeah,
well you got to get it right, and they did,
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and they got it right without replay. They got it
right on the field. They they followed the play properly
and uh and got the thing right for sure. First
playoff meeting between the two, as Coggins points out, that
was the Randy Moss fake mooning affair, which you know,
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a lot of people in this town hate Joe Buck
because he called it disgusting, a disgusting act. I think
at some point you got to let buck off, you know,
the mat on that one. I think time, you know,
should heal all wounds or wound all heels to put
a joke at that one, but I figured that you
you probably would be. But those are I mean, there's
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there's some cataclysmic ones too beyond that. The twenty twenty
three game, we don't have to go back very far.
That's the game the Vikings won twenty four to ten,
but nobody felt like celebrating because that's where your guy
Kirk Cousins blew out his achilles on a dropback right right.
So there wasn't much celebrating because it was fairly clear.
I think fairly soon that that was the case.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't even remember this one.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Nineteen ninety nine, your guy Farv throws a game winning
touchdown pass on fourth down to Corey Bradford twelve seconds
to go and ten minutes after the game, Scoggins reminds us.
Vikings coach Dennis Green refused to discuss the play in
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his postgame news conference, calling it quote yesterday's news, even
though it's actually still that day's news because it had
only just happened. He went with yesterday's news. Denny had
a tendency to try to do exactly that. I don't
remember the Fred Smoot game. Do you remember that one?
Two thousand and six? He returns an interception forty seven
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yards for a touchdown against Brett farre and then attempted
the Lambeau leap and was not allowed to stay up there,
apparently in front of foam a fan wearing the proverbial
foam block of cheese on his head. Another fan doused
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Smoot with a beer on that occasion. I do not
have march a memory of that one either. There have
been some unbelievable kicking moments in infamy. Who can forget
twenty eighteen, a rookie kicker named Daniel Carlson Minnesota Vikings
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missed now one, not two, but all three of his
field goal attempts. Game ends in a twenty nine to
twenty nine tie. He's released next day, and when asked
for a reason, Zim said, we have this SoundBite.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Did you see the game? Did you see the game?
That's it, That's what that's from that moment. That's how
rich this history is. This is big time stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I also forgot that in twenty thirteen the teams tied
twenty six twenty six. On that occasion, the Vikings blew
a sixteen point lead in the fourth.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Quarter. It goes on and on. There are many, many more.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And many of you have offered up some of your ideas.
I didn't realize that Aaron Rodgers, did you mention this
made his first career start for the Packers against the
Vikings two thousand and eight, twenty four to nineteen. You
win pretty pedestrian numbers. One hundred and seventy yard is
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one hundred and seventy eight yards passing and one touchdown.
It was the first of thirty two career games for
Rogers versus the Vikings for three different.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Teams.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So it kind of goes on and on and on.
There are many more, and I'll take continue to take
nominations throughout this program for a few that we might have.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Left behind as well. Right sewn.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Brian Kiffin text line is six for six eight six.
By the way, Carlson still the Raiders kicker, correct, isn't he?
I think car made a good living, yeah, and he was.
I mean, I don't think he's at the top of
the kicking game any longer. But we definitely panicked and overreacted.
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In his case, it was we we and paid for it,
you could say, for a long period of time. Now
we look like we're in very good position when it
comes to kicker. Right now, looks like we've got a
short term and a long term kicker in your guy
Will Reker. But nevertheless, I don't think that Joe Buck
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realized that the Packer fans moon the Vikings team buses routinely.
Moss was having some fun. Yeah, that was the Moss comeback.
The Moss comeback at the time was he was only
doing what was done to routinely done to the Minnesota Vikings.
Somebody's mentioning the infamous Spurgeon win game. I don't remember
if that game. I don't recall if that game happened
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at lambeau Field. I'm not exactly sure, but I will
tell you. As Chip also points out twenty twelve regular
season finale home victory over the Packers, but as he mentions,
lost in the Hoopla that day was an arm injury
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suffered by Ponder, listed as questionable for the playoff game
at lambeau the following week, and the assumption was Ponder
would probably play anyway, being a gamer, but he didn't,
and instead Joe Webb was a surprise starter, and it
started great with Webb, and then it very quickly became
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a disaster. The Vikings lost twenty four to ten. And well,
I don't say that's because ironically Ponder had just played
a really good game as I recall it, and people
probably felt pretty good about him going into that game.
But that was in that situation. The backup was was
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Joe Webb as well, also worth mentioning. Jan two, twenty
twenty two, Vikings get destroyed thirty seven to ten, and.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
The feeling was pretty.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Funereal that it may well mean the end of the
Mike Zimmer Tenure cousins missed that game after testing positive
for COVID night. This is the game you're talking about.
This is that Sean Mannion's start. But what we forgot
to or didn't forget to mention, but we needed to
add to what you had said was he got he
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was peppered. Was Zim after the game, with questions about
whether Kellen Mond would start the finale against the Bears,
asked if he'd like to see Mond in action, zimmer
tersely replied not particularly, and famously, when asked why not,
he replied, I.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
See him every day. Did you see the game?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Eight days later, the zimmer tenure in Minnesota was over.
That's all good stuff, man. I mean some of it's
you know, painful depending on who you're rooting for, but
very very rich. As I said, the football gods did
not cheat. They've never taken, ever, taken this rivalry for granted,
you know who else hasn't, Well, he'll say he has,
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because he'll say the Bears are our rival.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Gurby right around the corner.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He could go.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
On. He will store this time for the Bumper to
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Speaker 2 (22:17):
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
Here's your favorite NFL rock, Dan Barrero. I wonder how
vividly our next guest remembers nineteen hundred and.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Monday Night Football, October five, twenty five straight home victories
before Randy Moss wrecked lambeau Field. Five catches, one hundred
ninety yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
What do you remember about that game? Gerby?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Not much really. I remember the twenty five games before that.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Pretty well, I'm sure you do.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Uh, you know, if you're asking me, you know, why
would I remember? Because it would be a blip on
the rail. It would be a temporary bump in the highway,
if that would be it's not It's not like you
got a great record in the Hamble. You don't. I mean,
you're not very good in a row tea.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
If we win, if you win Sunday, that's three in
a over the first time I think since the seventies.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, that's you know, And if the sun comes up
in the west tomorrow, it will be the first time
in an awful long.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Time, been a lot since it's done that. You're right
about that, that's very true. Did you stay for that
whole game or did you?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Because I was there and a bunch of you, bunch
of you guys, a bunch of loyal Packer fans left early.
That building was fifty empty by the end of the
fourth ran Dan little rain.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Is it too much for you? I thought you were
a tough guy.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well, yeah, it's not right. You don't go around putting
your umbrella.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You don't.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You don't do that. That's not that's not considered good form. No,
it was raining, and you know at that point in
time was it wasn't very close game. And know it's happened, Dan,
if you've been around as long as our team has
been around, yeah, you're going to have a blip every
now and then. And the good news is it doesn't
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happen very often, Dan, It really does doesn't. No, it
really doesn't. If you take a look at the history.
And by the way, this weekend at the back interactive
ice boards of it and bed and breakfast and lunch
Earl with Nikki is going to be highlighting the famous
Minnesota Oh my cat just jumped down my Minnesota and
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Green Bay games and we have a wide variety of them.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I'm sure your variety is not as wide as the
one we just went with because we laid out both.
We laid out ones that you guys won in shocking
or impressive fashion, and we laid out ones that the
Vikings one. I'm gonna guess you're not going to be
quite that broad minded. Your guy was Nikki number one.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
It's hard to remember the ones because there's not that
many too. Minnesota one. So it's nice that you can
go cherry pick them. That's good for you, and it's
pretty good about that. And if you think about you
know where you're at right now, and you need to
think about.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Me when we want to gain any good.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I mean you I can understand why that's what you
would kind of flocked to. Do you remember that now?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Do you remember the nineteen ninety nine Packers draft.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
That when we drafted all like the defensive back.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yes, the first three picks first.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Round, we didn't have any second.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Round, third round, you pick draft.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Defensive back and then you picked another one in round seven.
That's how traumatizing the Randy Moss experience had been for you.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Dan. You have in this life, Dan, if something's not
going the way, you can do two things. You can
sit on a bitch about it, or you can do
something about it. When we are a very active team.
Then you think we're stupid that we just let it go.
We're not. Oh, I know, Let's just let Randy Moss
run up and down the field for years and years
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until he inevitably explodes and implodes and turns into a psycho,
which he did. So, I mean, we're not gonna do that, Dan.
We have an obligation to our fans to win, and
that's what we do. We and the ownership group take
it very seriously, very seriously. We've had some issues.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Dan, Yeah, that's what I've I've gleaned that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
And we're taking them very seriously, very seriously.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Have you considered can I ask you this, have you
considered rewiring your neurological pathways?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
My?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
What your neurological pathways? That's what our quarterback is being
asked to do, and he's saying, you got to give
me a minute.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Fay night. Neurological pathways. That's honey. I'm at home right
now because on the half day, I'm let's start today.
And what do we do why neurological.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Path Well, A texture thinks you've already maybe had old shelled.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Are you on your way already?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
She does when I tell her I'm on the radio, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I've been rolling my eyes a lot of what's been
coming out of the mouths of J. J. McCarthy and
the head coach involving JJ McCarthy's struggle.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well, it didn't sound like you feel like you kind
of screwed up again?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Too early to tell.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Damn you it is number one. I do occasually listen
to your show. Now I'm a signed to this.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Don't lie to me, Dan. You think he's a bozo.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
No, I don't think he's a boso. I think he's playing.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I think he's bad. Dan. You sit down him over
and over. Well, it's not you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I don't dislike.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Emotions come to on the radio. That's why you've been
around for so long.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I could explain it.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I because you can't hide you.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Honest with you. I don't think your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't think you're in a position of really fundamental
strength right now either.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Talk about Dan. He was brilliant last week. It was
the people receivers the one dropping the ball. Dan. It's like,
well John Love was he was? He was damn near
perfect last he was a receiver had some serious.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Was he was? He brilliant.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Bother the receivers aren't catching the ball before. Very very good.
I don't know why you don't think he's any good.
He's one of the best crowdbacks in the league.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Do you were you? Well, let me ask you this.
Can I get you to own up.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Finally after all these years that you indeed d you
did indeed once say Randy Moss is a great player.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't maybe one of us in New England I
might have said that, but I know that you piece
something together to make it sound like, now what all
the kids are doing with artificial intelligence. Yeah, well, that's
what you guys were doing a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We would never do that.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Of course you would. Dan, Let's be honest, you guys scruples.
I'm not high.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well, speaking of scruples, let me get your reaction to this.
Zach just texted, can we bring bar back for one
game and knock out Jordan Love?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Does that sound being like a sportsman like thing to do?
Does that sound like that's a good good sport?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Is that cheap?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Do you think that? I mean, you don't share other
teams in this injury. You just don't. It's not, it's not.
It's very very low class. Are we super Are we
super happy that Laporter is hurt in Detroit?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I don't think people get hurt.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Tucker Kraft, who's better than the Porter? He's hurt?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
He is good. I do like him. I'm not going
to I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I would I go further?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You would?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, Tucker, Craft maybe the best tight ended in football.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And I know it was your pick, wasn't he did
you say? Didn't you tell people he's your power?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I was high on him, you know, because we drafted
musk Grave and I when I turned my list, I said,
Craft is better than musk Grave. I was, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh, here's here's what I will grant. I'm looking at
the ESPN quarterback ratings. That's the total QBR.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
What does that mean.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, there's an old fashioned quarterback formula.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't even understand it. I do think it takes
well here. Well you might.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Because I don't understand it, but I believe.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Let me give you my top well a little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Let me give you the top five QBR quarterbacks statistic
analytically speaking right now.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Done, two Drake May three, Patrick Mahomes four, Sam Darnold five,
Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's pretty good company.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Matthew stafford is six, Lamar Jackson seven, Daniel Jones eight.
So that does bode well for your guy. Top five
that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You take that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
We should be he should be number one. Go to
tell you it's because the receivers have been dropping the
book asked producer Bread. Well, the.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Vikings had eight drops last week from with McCarthy too.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
You don't it's not a drop when it's.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Ten yards head ten yards, that's not a drop. No,
that's probably.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Jordan is putting that ball right on the money, right
on the money, and and people have been dropping it.
I've already sent him my recommendation.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Can I give you another Jordan Love stat that's a
little more sobering that you might not like quite as much.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
You can make up instead.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
This is you know who wrote this, Ben Gooseling. Start
to be on goose He's a.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Fourth almost homing.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Is.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
He is not as much a home as Kevin Siphon is.
He's just he's.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Bet Jordan Love with a clean pocket one seven point
five passer rating, one of the best, eighty two percent
of his passes, fifteen touchdowns, one pick. However, when pressured
quarterback rating of a passer rating of forty five point
five and he's completed only thirty eight point two percent
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of his passes, that doesn't sound like the case.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, it sounds. It stands to reason Dan that if
you're on the pecially, going to have to be a
little tougher.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, that's I mean, one extreme day.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
McCarthy is probably the first quarterback to ever have a negative.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, that's quarterback ring. That's actually true. He is.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I like to debate you, but you're not wrong on
that he has a.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Negative because I know football, you do. Here's no question from.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Green Bay and from people whom Wisconsin know football. Now,
I understand you have to talk down to your eye
because they're a lot stupid and they don't really how
football works and they never really have, which is one
of the reasons they have won Super Bowl. So I understand,
But don't you don't have to explain crap to me, Dan,
because I know football? Can you produce a breplay more?
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He knows football and Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I don't know that I would agree with you,
but that's I think you may both be a little
biased there because you you would define knowing football as
being a Packers homer.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That's what that's how you define it.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Are objective?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Are are you objective to?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You're more objective than the ball, You're more You're more
objective than Gerby.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
But that's not saying much.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I mean, I see a tweet from yesterday from Pro
Football Focus that Jordan Love is the NFL's highest graded
passer against the Blitz.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Why you just blitz? Why don't you try to see
what happens? Do you think they'll be you guys might
drop the ball, but good try.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Is there a Gerby lock of the week?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Are you willing to give up your own tickets at
Lambeau or not so much?
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Oh? No, Dan, I'm going, I'm there. No, my whole
family's gone this week. What's this? Isn't a rivalry game,
but it's something important game. We need to win this.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Game, or you do need to win this game. Vikings
need it more than you do.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Bike Viking season, if it's not already over, will be
over if they lose that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
What's so funny?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
That's so funny?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
We mean that?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
So you need it more than we do. What's the point?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It might not be Jesus over.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And it's not like you're ever gonna win a Super Bowl?
We need it more. You don't even know what you need.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
What if we beat you and go to Seattle and
win that game too, we're back at five hundred.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's not like your what's your record?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It's not like you're eight games ahead of anybody, What's
where's all this haughty?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
No, because we've had some injuries.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You're not the only team that's had injuries or bad
luck or gotten screwed by the Zebras.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, and there's not that many teams that have bad
records either. It's not like they're walking away. It's not
like stupid lucky Chicagos like Rocket.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
If the playoffs end it today with the Packers being it,
I believe they would okay, barely, wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You just got to make a dance. Well, I I
heard somebody make my chance against anybody in the.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I heard somebody on ESPN I think it was ESPN
today or yesterday they said that if the if the
Packers do not make the playoffs this year, your head
coach is in trouble. Your thoughts, No, maybe it was
they probably won't commit to Jordan Love any longer, that
the experiment would be over and they would be looking
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to grab somebody else. Maybe JJ McCarthy on the rebound.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
We have already committed to I have, Yeah, we give
him a very sizable time.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well that you could, Yeah, but doesn't mean you have
to keep.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Him if you're going.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, but you've handled the cap. Well, all right, let's
get to some games, shall we.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
You're a study of the top nive quarterback, and now
you're trying.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
To you know what you do.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I just want to everybody in your eye that what
you do is that you try to find some argument
that you know it's gonna piss people off. In this
case me and see producer, and then you just you
don't even believe it that JJ McCarthy is the greatest
quarterback in the well that tomorrow you're gonna go he stucks.
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I mean, that's just that's it's just this is a
it's like a weird reality, is what it is.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You should listen to what you had to say. Really,
you kind of all can I ask yourself, basis.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
If McCarthy just plays crappy, am I supposed to say
he isn't? And then even if I believe he's playing badly, well,
if he plays well, then you also have to acknowledge it.
You can't because you've taken a stance. That doesn't mean
that you can't.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
How many games as he played, well, Dan.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Not very many, but he's still he's a baby, he's
a he's a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Baby. He's played the position for about two weeks.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
So I'm supposed to So we're supposed to feel bad
about this. So like, oh well, okay, well I'm sure
that he'll be much better this week, because everybody knows,
all of a sudden, during one week, you just turn
it on. That's how it works. One week you're bad,
next week you're good. That's not damn. You have to
develop a quarterback. How long are you take us to
develop Aaron Rodgers behind Bret five? Like three years? How
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long did it take us to develop Jordan Love behind
Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Do I have years? Damn? This it's not you guys.
He's out all last season. They didn't even play. I mean,
it's so fragile. Are you so fragile that he gets
hurt and you haven't played for like.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Five Are you trying to do?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Are you trying to do Ko's bidding? That sounds like
you're apologizing for that.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You're excusing his perform.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
No, I don't really care. That's the fight part. I
don't care. If your quarterbacks aren't bad, doesn't matter me
because you're not as good as us.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well, are you? Okay?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
You got a little dry We have had like peanuts
like the salted peanuts, and there's too much salt. If
I had too much salt.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
In one of my peanuts, I'll take your word for it.
Can we get to the games?
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Okay? I don't decide when you can do this thing.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Let's start with Bucks at Rams that's in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Is this right?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Do we have these correct? Rams are favored by six
and a half Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay's coming back to
the pack. Rams have become the Rams are good man,
six and a half, six and a half. Last week
I went with the heads or tails, so to speak.
It did me no better. I was one, we were
all three of us were one and two last week.
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I'm gonna pick the Rams uh to cover even though
it's too many points. All the Bucks are due for
a bounce back. I'm gonna stick with the Rams. You're
in charge of guards these picks again. Ye, I'm going
to agree with you. I think the Rams are red hot.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
You han't made any picks at all. I just asked if.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
The second week of the season. I think he did.
I think that was the last time his name is
still on the sheet. Though, I'm going to go with
the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I think they're red hot, their defense is really good,
and uh Baker, they put up points, but it wasn't
really Baker's doing last week.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
So I'll go Rams Gerby.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
There's only one statistic you need to know until off
the top of my head, Tampa Bay. I think it's
like one night and one against the spread in the
last eleven games against the Rams. That's all you need
to know. Tampa's going on is going off to the
West Coast. They're not going to cover, They're gonna lose.
Rams are going man get one more game.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Now.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
We may have to go there during the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You might, you might, I don't know if you will.
Colts are at Chiefs. Chief season is on the line,
maybe right. I think Kansas City is favored by three
and a half Colts three and a half chief Holts
have come back.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Well, no, I was gonna say, Chechiefs are five and five,
the Colts are eight and two. Yeah, Chiefs are favorite.
Chiefs are favorite.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I think part of that is desperation for the Chiefs.
They're at home, and is there a feeling that the
Colts might be coming back to the pack a little bit?
I don't know. No, pun intended, they're unpack. I'm gonna
I'm gonna hang with the Chiefs. I'm gonna hang with
Kansas City this week. Their defense is terrible, though, Colts,
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I'm gonna stick with Kansas City. Blakemore, I'm gonna go
the other way. I think the Chiefs win, but I
don't think they took. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Colts.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Gerby, what what makes much sense that the Chiefs are
gonna be six a five or the Indiapois gonna be
nine and two? I mean, what does that sound right?
It sounds right that Indianapolis can be nine and two.
It doesn't sound right. It just sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Doesn't unless they're real How did that happen?
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Unless see I don't know I who kind of agreed
I was seeing after this and Brett Babel it's probably
gonna be a close game. And you're right too, DM.
That can't say defense is not good and indianapolis offense
isn't very good, that Jonathan Taylor's was very good. You
played Wisconsin, and so I think I will take Indianapolis
to cover, and off the top of my head, I
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think against the spread in the last nineteen games against
Kansas City. I think Indianapolis is something like fourteen of five.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Vikings at Packers six and a half. Man six and
a half is the spread. I'm going to take green
Bay to win the Vikings to cover Blake more.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I also like green Bay to win, shocking. I know,
I'll go like twenty seven to seventeen, so that would
be covering the spread.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I'll go green Bay Derby.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I think you guys had good season. You had it
was fun for a while. And now the good news
is you can just slat McCaughey play all the time,
and you can put him in the offside. You don't
have to hold his hands anymore. You can just say look,
just go in there and get the crappyat eye you
and learn halfway quarterback if you can, and if you
stay healthy. But I don't, I don't. I don't see
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anyway that this game is close. I don't see anyway
to go on a point. I don't score any see
any way you can stop us. I think this is
a I think it's kind of like a twenty seven
nothing what oh, maybe it's thirty five?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
And and I'm the homer or guestling, yeah, or seipher.
It's the Homer, not a Homer.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
You just accuse me about a shot at Homer. You're
right about this, you're the shock jock. I'm not. I
can't even match your shot, not close to twenty seven. Nothing.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
There is no chance that Minister can be green Bay
this week. No chance.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
That's not that's possible. It's face absurd.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
If not possible, that you can't. They can't win.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
What's going on bed, Breakfast and launch.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It was the history of Christmas.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I got that.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, there's got to be something. Give me another nugget,
give me something else.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Well, no, because come on telling what you gotta start
thinking ahead now because we're booking to the stuff. We
need some snow because we want to put up the
Festival of Christmas license and we want to put that up.
But it's it's and we can put it up, but
it's just no one's gonna come. It's fifty degrees outside.
You have to go look at Christmas. So we need
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to get some snow. So that but we're now into
the holiday season, as we like to say, yeah, because
it's it's Christmas and some honekah and so so we
need some snow and but that's where our booking is now.
This has been a tremendous What are.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
You doing for Turkey Day?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Except for the one food poison?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
What about Turkey Day? I can't remember what you What
do you have planned for Thanksgiving week?
Speaker 4 (44:56):
We got well number one, Uh, it's you know, it's
it's a football day. So we're not going to do
anything on the day of Thanksgiving, but the day after
and then after that we're.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Going to have to do picks on Tuesday next week.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Okay, I was not I was told working most of
the next week hours of very slow week.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I was not given the option to work on Wednesday.
I was told I can't work on Wednesday, so it's got.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
To be Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I guess who told you that.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I can't say it's it's it's I have to protect,
you know, I got to protect the big shots here.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Is that that Chaz Abboit no comment. I had to
call him and get the block of the week this
week there is one.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
So it's a road game.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, I mean, guy, we got to do something about him.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Okay, if you say so, I hope you have a
wonderful Yeah, to be thankful for there's a lot to
be thankful for this it is, for example.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Not so much for you guys, But there's more to
be thankful for for us.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Not that much more for you. How far ahead?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
How far ahead are you of the vikings? In the standings?
There's two games? What's your record?
Speaker 4 (46:08):
What's the game and a half? Because we have a tie.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, so it's not that great. I mean you're acting
like you're dominating. No, they're not very good.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Only gives you let us with that guy who's not
playing for Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah, well that's this could be. But JJ's he
played better on the road than at home.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, Ben, that's why football is a good game because
it it might happen. It might.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
That sounds that sounds condescending.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
It is, Dan, it's not gonna go pack it all right.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I gotta go. That is the one and the only.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Carl Gerbschmidt and uh yeah, I'll have to do picks
early next week. Don't forget Ben Gooseling at the bottom
of the hour. That's at four point thirty and Russo
radio from the X. We're back in action tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
That's why I said to react, So he'll be from
the UH the Fallness Studios that is schedule for five
o'clock this year
This is You're the football gods have never taken this
rivalry for granted.
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Two minutes and twenty six seconds past three o'clock Central
Standard time, we welcome you back to a Friday Football
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start of what is promising to be an extremely balmy
weekend here in the Twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Guardsy is on his way to Chicago, Illinois to track
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the Golden Gopher football team as they take on Northwestern
at Wrigley Field tomorrow, a game that could be heard
right here on the fan pregame show. I'm assuming you'll
start at nine, opening kickoff just past eleven, So Brett
Blake Moore is back in that share. I'm the host
of the program. My name is Dan Barrero, form Rings
Saint Retch newspaper of the Twin Cities. A bit of
(01:03):
a swap from a guest standpoint. Today, Lovel joins us
usually at five point thirty on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
He joined us yesterday so.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We could accommodate the very busy schedule of Russo Radio.
Russo is scheduled for five o'clock, so you're off the
hook for Top five to five Brett Blake Moore in
addition Gerby and the Picks at three thirty and Ben Gesling,
who will also be of course headed to well not
Chicago but to another Midwestern rival town Green Bay for
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the Vikings Packers game is scheduled for four thirty tonight,
so guests at three thirty, four thirty, and five o'clock.
Bratchaw On Brian Kfan text line is open at six
four six eight six. I will say that the you
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know me, I'm a big sports history guy. I have
great respect for what's come before. Respect's probably the wrong term,
because some stuff's not worth respecting that's come before. But
it's all part of what do we say the other day,
past his prologue. It all fits together in this cosmic wheel,
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and to that extent, we love studying real like you know,
A section history on this show, B section history on
this show, and C section that would be of course
the sports department, the toy department, as the late great
Bob Knight used to call it as well, And in
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this case I'm referring specifically to the long standing rivalry
between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears. Now
should say in the Minnesota Vikings. Now I should say,
maybe that's a Freudian slip, because our three p thirty
guest will say the Bears are arrival. He has always
refused to accept the possibility that the Vikings and Packers
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are rivals. Where do you stand on that? Are you
more I mean, in all in all honesty, they're both rivals.
But in your pecking order, do you put Bears Packers
ahead of Vikings Packers or not so much?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, the right answers they're both rivals. Yes, if you
have to rank them, I would rank it as this.
Who would I be more mad to lose to? Okay,
that's a good way, but I think I'd be more
mad losing to the Bears. I can at least respect
the Vikings organizations, fine, but the Bears.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, you don't want to lose the Bears. Have you
played the Bears yet this year?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We have not? So, yeah, this is a lot of
and this is the first time the Vikings and Packers
have played this year. Right, So there's a lot of
good rivalry games coming for pretty much everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I think in this division.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
The when I say the football gods never cheated or
never took I guess you could say this rivalry for granted.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
By that, I mean it's a rich history. It is.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean for both teams, and at Lambeau especially. I
would argue there have been some unbelievable lows from a
Viking standpoint, and some remarkable highs as well. We have
our good friend Chipskoggins to thank for kind of laying
out some of those big moments, little moments, famous moments
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from again from a Vikings perspective, and infamous moments as well.
I think he buried the lead a little bit with
his last item, which was number fifteen. Now maybe it's
because it goes back all the way to nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He did acknowledge also that these were not in any
particular order. I would put this one closer to the top,
and some of the kids have heard about it, but
maybe weren't around for it. I was there for that
game at Lambeau Field. I can remember it like yesterday,
and it remains for me covered many many many games
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at Lambeau over the years, it remains for me the
single most memorable moment between Vikings and Packers. Again from
the Vikings positivity standpoint, and that, of course would be
nineteen ninety eight, the fifth game of Randy Moss's rookie season.
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He'd been good, but that night he officially and completely arrived.
And I did find a series of highlights that lays
out pretty effectively what it felt like from a broadcast standpoint,
from an atmospheric standpoint that night. It was a Monday
(05:47):
night game and it was in fairly inclement weather.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Pregame I can remember. I don't remember what.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
TV station I was affiliated with then, but doing some
pregame stuff, and it was I mean, it was wet then,
it was raining. Now by game time, my recollection is
most of the rain had abated a bit. I'm sure
we have people in our audience who were at that ballgame, because,
as I said, I remember it very well.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But it was all about Moss.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It wasn't like he was the only guy who played
well for the Vikings, but it was mainly about that.
Oh my god, this guy's wired different, he's built different.
And to a certain extent, the Green Bay Packers were
never the same in terms of their approach to drafting
and signing cornerbacks and safeties. After this particular game involving Moss.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Let's listen.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think it's going to be mainly Al Michael's, Danny
Dierdorf and a couple of others on the call and
the analysis. Let's go down memory lane as a good
example of the football gods never taking this rivalry for granted.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
First thousand and forty eight yard line, Randol run deep.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Again, adjusting his Moss, and then Randy Moss squeezes his
way into the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It is unbelievable. He just throws it up and these
guys can catch the football. This is like a circus
out here with these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Randy Moss is the best young receiver that I have
seen ever.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Randy Moss live in the left make the Smith going
dup looking for Randy again.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Perfect throw, great catch.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Darren Sharper with good coverage. But what can you do?
I know what you can do.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can start looking for the football a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
This is three times now, only three linemen in the
Dams fans.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And Randall's swing it down for Randy Moss, who makes
the catch.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And takes it to the ten yard line.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I guess the answer is nobody. Really.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
What happens here is that you have two deep safeties
and prior has got to make that play.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's got to get on the sideline. It cannot allow
Randy Moss.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To go floating down the silent without anybody near him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is Randall Cunningham, and he's going for seven more
and his mass getting positioned toutch that he's unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Simultaneous possession goes to the offense. Randy, you have a ride,
five catches, one hundred and ninety yards, two touchdowns, and
the end of a twenty five game home winning streak.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
For the Packers.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's the other part of the story that should not
be taken for granted. The Packers back then just did
not lose at home, period, end of story. And to
not only lose, but to lose as convincingly as they did,
to be to a certain extent humiliated, at least defensively.
I think the final score is thirty seven to twenty four.
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I can tell you it's the only time I've ever
been to lambeau Field where by the end of the
game the place was half full. That's what's to happen there. Obviously,
they'll deny that it did. I can tell you it
happened because I was there and it was all It
was otherworldly throughout because you could see the expression on
the face of some of the dbs just as the
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game went on, almost resigned to it. Well, he's just
going to get another one. And by the way, as
what's pointed out on the broadcast, there was some bad
coverage that was part of it. But what we learned
about Moss that day was that astonishing ability to adjust
his pattern lanky, long and lean, and ability to reach
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over other players to grab to sort of pluck the
ball out of the air from other from defensive backs,
whatever the case may be. I still put it at
the top of the list, And as I said, Scoggins
has a great list.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Another big one from a Viking standpoint is when Farv
returned and through I think four touchdown passes, zero picks
in that game November one, two thousand and nine. So
we're talking basically what twenty years after, Yeah, basically twenty
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years after the uh no, what nineteen ninety eight, so
not twenty I still can't do the math. But a
while after Farv returning to where he had been King
and then dominating to the degree that he did. That's
got to be right up there too, that I guess
would be a eleven years later. Do you are you
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old enough to remember that one?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The far return? I mean, I was how old kid?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You were?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
A kissy says I was thirteen twelve. Do you have
any conscience?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I mean, do you have any Do you remember any
awareness of what was going on?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Or were you not that into it at that point?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I knew what was going I remember being devastated when
he left just to go to the Jets, and then
it was another kick below the Yeah, that's going to Minnesota.
But that's what he wanted to do, and you know
it worked out well for him that year thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Eight twenty six, I think was the Vikings victory November
one at two thousand and nine, and of course what
the story that night was. Not surprisingly when FARV came
out of the tunnel before the game, the vociferous booze
from the audience, because I would dare say, as much
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as it might have hurt for FARV to go to
the Jets, it had to hurt more to go to
the division rival, right, because the Jets are the Jets,
and it didn't really go that well if you were
call I mean, it was not a smashing a New
York Farre did not conquer New York, New York. It
was not a smashing success. But it was a huge
success here obviously, and when it's within the division, I
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think it is even greater.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Let's break.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I'll give you a chance for your sweetest Vikings Packers
memory from lambeau Field games. I'd like to limit it
to lambeau Field games because that's where the game will
be played on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
If you have your own suggestions, because we've.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Talked about many of these highs and lows over the
decades of this show. But it never hurts to go
back once again because it's quite timely at this point.
Six four six eighty six, the Bradshaw and Bryant kfe
and text line back in a minute. What's your game,
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Red Blake Moore Packers Vikings at lambeau what's most delicious
to you?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, the one I was at there was a game
that was started by Sean Manon because the thing it
was a COVID catastrophe with her cousins. And that's the
that's the term for it, and Aaron Rodgers and co.
Just went nuts on the Vikings and it was a
block aliating one of the coldest games I've ever been to,
one that I was not there for.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
To match you with sound, here's this.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Star laser up for Freeman and it's incomplete.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did he make the character the good thing?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It suck? He did what.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Over time? The Monday Night miracle they call it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
In fact, we just anniversaried that, I want to say,
earlier this month we played that. That one is astonishing
because in real time, like most people and unfortunately for
the Vikings, Chris Dishman, I didn't think it was you know,
he didn't look like there's any chance that it was caught.
It just looked like it was a meaningless play, right. Yeah,
well you got to get it right, and they did,
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and they got it right without replay. They got it
right on the field. They they followed the play properly
and uh and got the thing right for sure. First
playoff meeting between the two, as Coggins points out, that
was the Randy Moss fake mooning affair, which you know,
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a lot of people in this town hate Joe Buck
because he called it disgusting, a disgusting act. I think
at some point you got to let buck off, you know,
the mat on that one. I think time, you know,
should heal all wounds or wound all heels to put
a joke at that one, but I figured that you
you probably would be. But those are I mean, there's
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there's some cataclysmic ones too beyond that. The twenty twenty
three game, we don't have to go back very far.
That's the game the Vikings won twenty four to ten,
but nobody felt like celebrating because that's where your guy
Kirk Cousins blew out his achilles on a dropback right right.
So there wasn't much celebrating because it was fairly clear.
I think fairly soon that that was the case.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't even remember this one.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Nineteen ninety nine, your guy Farv throws a game winning
touchdown pass on fourth down to Corey Bradford twelve seconds
to go and ten minutes after the game, Scoggins reminds us.
Vikings coach Dennis Green refused to discuss the play in
(15:43):
his postgame news conference, calling it quote yesterday's news, even
though it's actually still that day's news because it had
only just happened. He went with yesterday's news. Denny had
a tendency to try to do exactly that. I don't
remember the Fred Smoot game. Do you remember that one?
Two thousand and six? He returns an interception forty seven
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yards for a touchdown against Brett farre and then attempted
the Lambeau leap and was not allowed to stay up there,
apparently in front of foam a fan wearing the proverbial
foam block of cheese on his head. Another fan doused
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Smoot with a beer on that occasion. I do not
have march a memory of that one either. There have
been some unbelievable kicking moments in infamy. Who can forget
twenty eighteen, a rookie kicker named Daniel Carlson Minnesota Vikings
(16:50):
missed now one, not two, but all three of his
field goal attempts. Game ends in a twenty nine to
twenty nine tie. He's released next day, and when asked
for a reason, Zim said, we have this SoundBite.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Did you see the game? Did you see the game?
That's it, That's what that's from that moment. That's how
rich this history is. This is big time stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I also forgot that in twenty thirteen the teams tied
twenty six twenty six. On that occasion, the Vikings blew
a sixteen point lead in the fourth.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Quarter. It goes on and on. There are many, many more.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And many of you have offered up some of your ideas.
I didn't realize that Aaron Rodgers, did you mention this
made his first career start for the Packers against the
Vikings two thousand and eight, twenty four to nineteen. You
win pretty pedestrian numbers. One hundred and seventy yard is
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one hundred and seventy eight yards passing and one touchdown.
It was the first of thirty two career games for
Rogers versus the Vikings for three different.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Teams.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So it kind of goes on and on and on.
There are many more, and I'll take continue to take
nominations throughout this program for a few that we might have.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Left behind as well. Right sewn.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Brian Kiffin text line is six for six eight six.
By the way, Carlson still the Raiders kicker, correct, isn't he?
I think car made a good living, yeah, and he was.
I mean, I don't think he's at the top of
the kicking game any longer. But we definitely panicked and overreacted.
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In his case, it was we we and paid for it,
you could say, for a long period of time. Now
we look like we're in very good position when it
comes to kicker. Right now, looks like we've got a
short term and a long term kicker in your guy
Will Reker. But nevertheless, I don't think that Joe Buck
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realized that the Packer fans moon the Vikings team buses routinely.
Moss was having some fun. Yeah, that was the Moss comeback.
The Moss comeback at the time was he was only
doing what was done to routinely done to the Minnesota Vikings.
Somebody's mentioning the infamous Spurgeon win game. I don't remember
if that game. I don't recall if that game happened
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at lambeau Field. I'm not exactly sure, but I will
tell you. As Chip also points out twenty twelve regular
season finale home victory over the Packers, but as he mentions,
lost in the Hoopla that day was an arm injury
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suffered by Ponder, listed as questionable for the playoff game
at lambeau the following week, and the assumption was Ponder
would probably play anyway, being a gamer, but he didn't,
and instead Joe Webb was a surprise starter, and it
started great with Webb, and then it very quickly became
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a disaster. The Vikings lost twenty four to ten. And well,
I don't say that's because ironically Ponder had just played
a really good game as I recall it, and people
probably felt pretty good about him going into that game.
But that was in that situation. The backup was was
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Joe Webb as well, also worth mentioning. Jan two, twenty
twenty two, Vikings get destroyed thirty seven to ten, and.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
The feeling was pretty.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Funereal that it may well mean the end of the
Mike Zimmer Tenure cousins missed that game after testing positive
for COVID night. This is the game you're talking about.
This is that Sean Mannion's start. But what we forgot
to or didn't forget to mention, but we needed to
add to what you had said was he got he
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was peppered. Was Zim after the game, with questions about
whether Kellen Mond would start the finale against the Bears,
asked if he'd like to see Mond in action, zimmer
tersely replied not particularly, and famously, when asked why not,
he replied, I.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
See him every day. Did you see the game?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Eight days later, the zimmer tenure in Minnesota was over.
That's all good stuff, man. I mean some of it's
you know, painful depending on who you're rooting for, but
very very rich. As I said, the football gods did
not cheat. They've never taken, ever, taken this rivalry for granted,
you know who else hasn't, Well, he'll say he has,
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because he'll say the Bears are our rival.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Gurby right around the corner.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He could go.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
On. He will store this time for the Bumper to
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Speaker 2 (22:17):
To you by Continental Diamond. Now break down this week's games.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Here's your favorite NFL rock, Dan Barrero. I wonder how
vividly our next guest remembers nineteen hundred and.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Monday Night Football, October five, twenty five straight home victories
before Randy Moss wrecked lambeau Field. Five catches, one hundred
ninety yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
What do you remember about that game? Gerby?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Not much really. I remember the twenty five games before that.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Pretty well, I'm sure you do.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Uh, you know, if you're asking me, you know, why
would I remember? Because it would be a blip on
the rail. It would be a temporary bump in the highway,
if that would be it's not It's not like you
got a great record in the Hamble. You don't. I mean,
you're not very good in a row tea.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
If we win, if you win Sunday, that's three in
a over the first time I think since the seventies.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, that's you know, And if the sun comes up
in the west tomorrow, it will be the first time
in an awful long.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Time, been a lot since it's done that. You're right
about that, that's very true. Did you stay for that
whole game or did you?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Because I was there and a bunch of you, bunch
of you guys, a bunch of loyal Packer fans left early.
That building was fifty empty by the end of the
fourth ran Dan little rain.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Is it too much for you? I thought you were
a tough guy.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well, yeah, it's not right. You don't go around putting
your umbrella.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You don't.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You don't do that. That's not that's not considered good form. No,
it was raining, and you know at that point in
time was it wasn't very close game. And know it's happened, Dan,
if you've been around as long as our team has
been around, yeah, you're going to have a blip every
now and then. And the good news is it doesn't
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happen very often, Dan, It really does doesn't. No, it
really doesn't. If you take a look at the history.
And by the way, this weekend at the back interactive
ice boards of it and bed and breakfast and lunch
Earl with Nikki is going to be highlighting the famous
Minnesota Oh my cat just jumped down my Minnesota and
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Green Bay games and we have a wide variety of them.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I'm sure your variety is not as wide as the
one we just went with because we laid out both.
We laid out ones that you guys won in shocking
or impressive fashion, and we laid out ones that the
Vikings one. I'm gonna guess you're not going to be
quite that broad minded. Your guy was Nikki number one.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
It's hard to remember the ones because there's not that
many too. Minnesota one. So it's nice that you can
go cherry pick them. That's good for you, and it's
pretty good about that. And if you think about you
know where you're at right now, and you need to
think about.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Me when we want to gain any good.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I mean you I can understand why that's what you
would kind of flocked to. Do you remember that now?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Do you remember the nineteen ninety nine Packers draft.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
That when we drafted all like the defensive back.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yes, the first three picks first.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Round, we didn't have any second.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Round, third round, you pick draft.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Defensive back and then you picked another one in round seven.
That's how traumatizing the Randy Moss experience had been for you.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Dan. You have in this life, Dan, if something's not
going the way, you can do two things. You can
sit on a bitch about it, or you can do
something about it. When we are a very active team.
Then you think we're stupid that we just let it go.
We're not. Oh, I know, Let's just let Randy Moss
run up and down the field for years and years
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until he inevitably explodes and implodes and turns into a psycho,
which he did. So, I mean, we're not gonna do that, Dan.
We have an obligation to our fans to win, and
that's what we do. We and the ownership group take
it very seriously, very seriously. We've had some issues.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Dan, Yeah, that's what I've I've gleaned that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
And we're taking them very seriously, very seriously.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Have you considered can I ask you this, have you
considered rewiring your neurological pathways?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
My?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
What your neurological pathways? That's what our quarterback is being
asked to do, and he's saying, you got to give
me a minute.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Fay night. Neurological pathways. That's honey. I'm at home right
now because on the half day, I'm let's start today.
And what do we do why neurological.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Path Well, A texture thinks you've already maybe had old shelled.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Are you on your way already?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
She does when I tell her I'm on the radio, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I've been rolling my eyes a lot of what's been
coming out of the mouths of J. J. McCarthy and
the head coach involving JJ McCarthy's struggle.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well, it didn't sound like you feel like you kind
of screwed up again?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Too early to tell.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Damn you it is number one. I do occasually listen
to your show. Now I'm a signed to this.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Don't lie to me, Dan. You think he's a bozo.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
No, I don't think he's a boso. I think he's playing.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I think he's bad. Dan. You sit down him over
and over. Well, it's not you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I don't dislike.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Emotions come to on the radio. That's why you've been
around for so long.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I could explain it.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I because you can't hide you.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Honest with you. I don't think your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't think you're in a position of really fundamental
strength right now either.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Talk about Dan. He was brilliant last week. It was
the people receivers the one dropping the ball. Dan. It's like,
well John Love was he was? He was damn near
perfect last he was a receiver had some serious.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Was he was? He brilliant.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Bother the receivers aren't catching the ball before. Very very good.
I don't know why you don't think he's any good.
He's one of the best crowdbacks in the league.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Do you were you? Well, let me ask you this.
Can I get you to own up.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Finally after all these years that you indeed d you
did indeed once say Randy Moss is a great player.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't maybe one of us in New England I
might have said that, but I know that you piece
something together to make it sound like, now what all
the kids are doing with artificial intelligence. Yeah, well, that's
what you guys were doing a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We would never do that.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Of course you would. Dan, Let's be honest, you guys scruples.
I'm not high.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well, speaking of scruples, let me get your reaction to this.
Zach just texted, can we bring bar back for one
game and knock out Jordan Love?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Does that sound being like a sportsman like thing to do?
Does that sound like that's a good good sport?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Is that cheap?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Do you think that? I mean, you don't share other
teams in this injury. You just don't. It's not, it's not.
It's very very low class. Are we super Are we
super happy that Laporter is hurt in Detroit?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I don't think people get hurt.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Tucker Kraft, who's better than the Porter? He's hurt?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
He is good. I do like him. I'm not going
to I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I would I go further?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You would?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, Tucker, Craft maybe the best tight ended in football.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And I know it was your pick, wasn't he did
you say? Didn't you tell people he's your power?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I was high on him, you know, because we drafted
musk Grave and I when I turned my list, I said,
Craft is better than musk Grave. I was, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh, here's here's what I will grant. I'm looking at
the ESPN quarterback ratings. That's the total QBR.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
What does that mean.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, there's an old fashioned quarterback formula.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't even understand it. I do think it takes
well here. Well you might.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Because I don't understand it, but I believe.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Let me give you my top well a little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Let me give you the top five QBR quarterbacks statistic
analytically speaking right now.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Done, two Drake May three, Patrick Mahomes four, Sam Darnold five,
Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's pretty good company.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Matthew stafford is six, Lamar Jackson seven, Daniel Jones eight.
So that does bode well for your guy. Top five
that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You take that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
We should be he should be number one. Go to
tell you it's because the receivers have been dropping the
book asked producer Bread. Well, the.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Vikings had eight drops last week from with McCarthy too.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
You don't it's not a drop when it's.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Ten yards head ten yards, that's not a drop. No,
that's probably.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Jordan is putting that ball right on the money, right
on the money, and and people have been dropping it.
I've already sent him my recommendation.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Can I give you another Jordan Love stat that's a
little more sobering that you might not like quite as much.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
You can make up instead.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
This is you know who wrote this, Ben Gooseling. Start
to be on goose He's a.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Fourth almost homing.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Is.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
He is not as much a home as Kevin Siphon is.
He's just he's.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Bet Jordan Love with a clean pocket one seven point
five passer rating, one of the best, eighty two percent
of his passes, fifteen touchdowns, one pick. However, when pressured
quarterback rating of a passer rating of forty five point
five and he's completed only thirty eight point two percent
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of his passes, that doesn't sound like the case.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, it sounds. It stands to reason Dan that if
you're on the pecially, going to have to be a
little tougher.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, that's I mean, one extreme day.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
McCarthy is probably the first quarterback to ever have a negative.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, that's quarterback ring. That's actually true. He is.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I like to debate you, but you're not wrong on
that he has a.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Negative because I know football, you do. Here's no question from.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Green Bay and from people whom Wisconsin know football. Now,
I understand you have to talk down to your eye
because they're a lot stupid and they don't really how
football works and they never really have, which is one
of the reasons they have won Super Bowl. So I understand,
But don't you don't have to explain crap to me, Dan,
because I know football? Can you produce a breplay more?
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He knows football and Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I don't know that I would agree with you,
but that's I think you may both be a little
biased there because you you would define knowing football as
being a Packers homer.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That's what that's how you define it.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Are objective?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Are are you objective to?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You're more objective than the ball, You're more You're more
objective than Gerby.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
But that's not saying much.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I mean, I see a tweet from yesterday from Pro
Football Focus that Jordan Love is the NFL's highest graded
passer against the Blitz.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Why you just blitz? Why don't you try to see
what happens? Do you think they'll be you guys might
drop the ball, but good try.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Is there a Gerby lock of the week?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Are you willing to give up your own tickets at
Lambeau or not so much?
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Oh? No, Dan, I'm going, I'm there. No, my whole
family's gone this week. What's this? Isn't a rivalry game,
but it's something important game. We need to win this.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Game, or you do need to win this game. Vikings
need it more than you do.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Bike Viking season, if it's not already over, will be
over if they lose that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
What's so funny?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
That's so funny?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
We mean that?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
So you need it more than we do. What's the point?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It might not be Jesus over.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And it's not like you're ever gonna win a Super Bowl?
We need it more. You don't even know what you need.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
What if we beat you and go to Seattle and
win that game too, we're back at five hundred.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's not like your what's your record?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It's not like you're eight games ahead of anybody, What's
where's all this haughty?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
No, because we've had some injuries.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You're not the only team that's had injuries or bad
luck or gotten screwed by the Zebras.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, and there's not that many teams that have bad
records either. It's not like they're walking away. It's not
like stupid lucky Chicagos like Rocket.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
If the playoffs end it today with the Packers being it,
I believe they would okay, barely, wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You just got to make a dance. Well, I I
heard somebody make my chance against anybody in the.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I heard somebody on ESPN I think it was ESPN
today or yesterday they said that if the if the
Packers do not make the playoffs this year, your head
coach is in trouble. Your thoughts, No, maybe it was
they probably won't commit to Jordan Love any longer, that
the experiment would be over and they would be looking
(36:30):
to grab somebody else. Maybe JJ McCarthy on the rebound.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
We have already committed to I have, Yeah, we give
him a very sizable time.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well that you could, Yeah, but doesn't mean you have
to keep.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Him if you're going.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, but you've handled the cap. Well, all right, let's
get to some games, shall we.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
You're a study of the top nive quarterback, and now
you're trying.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
To you know what you do.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I just want to everybody in your eye that what
you do is that you try to find some argument
that you know it's gonna piss people off. In this
case me and see producer, and then you just you
don't even believe it that JJ McCarthy is the greatest
quarterback in the well that tomorrow you're gonna go he stucks.
(37:19):
I mean, that's just that's it's just this is a
it's like a weird reality, is what it is.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You should listen to what you had to say. Really,
you kind of all can I ask yourself, basis.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
If McCarthy just plays crappy, am I supposed to say
he isn't? And then even if I believe he's playing badly, well,
if he plays well, then you also have to acknowledge it.
You can't because you've taken a stance. That doesn't mean
that you can't.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
How many games as he played, well, Dan.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Not very many, but he's still he's a baby, he's
a he's a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Baby. He's played the position for about two weeks.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
So I'm supposed to So we're supposed to feel bad
about this. So like, oh well, okay, well I'm sure
that he'll be much better this week, because everybody knows,
all of a sudden, during one week, you just turn
it on. That's how it works. One week you're bad,
next week you're good. That's not damn. You have to
develop a quarterback. How long are you take us to
develop Aaron Rodgers behind Bret five? Like three years? How
(38:26):
long did it take us to develop Jordan Love behind
Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Do I have years? Damn? This it's not you guys.
He's out all last season. They didn't even play. I mean,
it's so fragile. Are you so fragile that he gets
hurt and you haven't played for like.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Five Are you trying to do?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Are you trying to do Ko's bidding? That sounds like
you're apologizing for that.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You're excusing his perform.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
No, I don't really care. That's the fight part. I
don't care. If your quarterbacks aren't bad, doesn't matter me
because you're not as good as us.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well, are you? Okay?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
You got a little dry We have had like peanuts
like the salted peanuts, and there's too much salt. If
I had too much salt.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
In one of my peanuts, I'll take your word for it.
Can we get to the games?
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Okay? I don't decide when you can do this thing.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Let's start with Bucks at Rams that's in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Is this right?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Do we have these correct? Rams are favored by six
and a half Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay's coming back to
the pack. Rams have become the Rams are good man,
six and a half, six and a half. Last week
I went with the heads or tails, so to speak.
It did me no better. I was one, we were
all three of us were one and two last week.
(39:48):
I'm gonna pick the Rams uh to cover even though
it's too many points. All the Bucks are due for
a bounce back. I'm gonna stick with the Rams. You're
in charge of guards these picks again. Ye, I'm going
to agree with you. I think the Rams are red hot.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
You han't made any picks at all. I just asked if.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
The second week of the season. I think he did.
I think that was the last time his name is
still on the sheet. Though, I'm going to go with
the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I think they're red hot, their defense is really good,
and uh Baker, they put up points, but it wasn't
really Baker's doing last week.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
So I'll go Rams Gerby.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
There's only one statistic you need to know until off
the top of my head, Tampa Bay. I think it's
like one night and one against the spread in the
last eleven games against the Rams. That's all you need
to know. Tampa's going on is going off to the
West Coast. They're not going to cover, They're gonna lose.
Rams are going man get one more game.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Now.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
We may have to go there during the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You might, you might, I don't know if you will.
Colts are at Chiefs. Chief season is on the line,
maybe right. I think Kansas City is favored by three
and a half Colts three and a half chief Holts
have come back.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Well, no, I was gonna say, Chechiefs are five and five,
the Colts are eight and two. Yeah, Chiefs are favorite.
Chiefs are favorite.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I think part of that is desperation for the Chiefs.
They're at home, and is there a feeling that the
Colts might be coming back to the pack a little bit?
I don't know. No, pun intended, they're unpack. I'm gonna
I'm gonna hang with the Chiefs. I'm gonna hang with
Kansas City this week. Their defense is terrible, though, Colts,
(41:28):
I'm gonna stick with Kansas City. Blakemore, I'm gonna go
the other way. I think the Chiefs win, but I
don't think they took. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Colts.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Gerby, what what makes much sense that the Chiefs are
gonna be six a five or the Indiapois gonna be
nine and two? I mean, what does that sound right?
It sounds right that Indianapolis can be nine and two.
It doesn't sound right. It just sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Doesn't unless they're real How did that happen?
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Unless see I don't know I who kind of agreed
I was seeing after this and Brett Babel it's probably
gonna be a close game. And you're right too, DM.
That can't say defense is not good and indianapolis offense
isn't very good, that Jonathan Taylor's was very good. You
played Wisconsin, and so I think I will take Indianapolis
to cover, and off the top of my head, I
(42:17):
think against the spread in the last nineteen games against
Kansas City. I think Indianapolis is something like fourteen of five.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Vikings at Packers six and a half. Man six and
a half is the spread. I'm going to take green
Bay to win the Vikings to cover Blake more.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I also like green Bay to win, shocking. I know,
I'll go like twenty seven to seventeen, so that would
be covering the spread.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I'll go green Bay Derby.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I think you guys had good season. You had it
was fun for a while. And now the good news
is you can just slat McCaughey play all the time,
and you can put him in the offside. You don't
have to hold his hands anymore. You can just say look,
just go in there and get the crappyat eye you
and learn halfway quarterback if you can, and if you
stay healthy. But I don't, I don't. I don't see
(43:11):
anyway that this game is close. I don't see anyway
to go on a point. I don't score any see
any way you can stop us. I think this is
a I think it's kind of like a twenty seven
nothing what oh, maybe it's thirty five?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
And and I'm the homer or guestling, yeah, or seipher.
It's the Homer, not a Homer.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
You just accuse me about a shot at Homer. You're
right about this, you're the shock jock. I'm not. I
can't even match your shot, not close to twenty seven. Nothing.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
There is no chance that Minister can be green Bay
this week. No chance.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
That's not that's possible. It's face absurd.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
If not possible, that you can't. They can't win.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
What's going on bed, Breakfast and launch.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It was the history of Christmas.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I got that.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, there's got to be something. Give me another nugget,
give me something else.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Well, no, because come on telling what you gotta start
thinking ahead now because we're booking to the stuff. We
need some snow because we want to put up the
Festival of Christmas license and we want to put that up.
But it's it's and we can put it up, but
it's just no one's gonna come. It's fifty degrees outside.
You have to go look at Christmas. So we need
(44:33):
to get some snow. So that but we're now into
the holiday season, as we like to say, yeah, because
it's it's Christmas and some honekah and so so we
need some snow and but that's where our booking is now.
This has been a tremendous What are.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
You doing for Turkey Day?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Except for the one food poison?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
What about Turkey Day? I can't remember what you What
do you have planned for Thanksgiving week?
Speaker 4 (44:56):
We got well number one, Uh, it's you know, it's
it's a football day. So we're not going to do
anything on the day of Thanksgiving, but the day after
and then after that we're.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Going to have to do picks on Tuesday next week.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Okay, I was not I was told working most of
the next week hours of very slow week.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I was not given the option to work on Wednesday.
I was told I can't work on Wednesday, so it's got.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
To be Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I guess who told you that.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I can't say it's it's it's I have to protect,
you know, I got to protect the big shots here.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Is that that Chaz Abboit no comment. I had to
call him and get the block of the week this
week there is one.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
So it's a road game.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, I mean, guy, we got to do something about him.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Okay, if you say so, I hope you have a
wonderful Yeah, to be thankful for there's a lot to
be thankful for this it is, for example.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Not so much for you guys, But there's more to
be thankful for for us.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Not that much more for you. How far ahead?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
How far ahead are you of the vikings? In the standings?
There's two games? What's your record?
Speaker 4 (46:08):
What's the game and a half? Because we have a tie.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, so it's not that great. I mean you're acting
like you're dominating. No, they're not very good.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Only gives you let us with that guy who's not
playing for Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah, well that's this could be. But JJ's he
played better on the road than at home.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Well, Ben, that's why football is a good game because
it it might happen. It might.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
That sounds that sounds condescending.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
It is, Dan, it's not gonna go pack it all right.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I gotta go. That is the one and the only.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Carl Gerbschmidt and uh yeah, I'll have to do picks
early next week. Don't forget Ben Gooseling at the bottom
of the hour. That's at four point thirty and Russo
radio from the X. We're back in action tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
That's why I said to react, So he'll be from
the UH the Fallness Studios that is schedule for five
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