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Seriously, it goes back that far. But is it just
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it's in the It's in the systancy file. So is
that a Is that a from us? Or is that
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I'll go with two minutes forty nine seconds past the
hour three o'clock Central Standard Time, Bumber Bumper Show is
on the I think it's a full three and a
half hour program today. Brett Blake Moore is in that chair.
The host of the program is a former instate retch
newspaper The Twin Cities. My name is Dan Barrero. Guardzi
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is I think in Lawrence, Kansas go for women taking
on KU. I think we got that established yesterday. K You,
even though apparently there's signs on campus that also say
University of Kansas, So perhaps they very intentionally want to
confuse people or just have the versatility where either will
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be accepted. University of Indiana is not accepted. I've had
to teach people that and remind them of that because
this year people are actually talking about Indiana University because
of the state of the football program. Not familiar with
that state. Certainly when I was there was not quite
as good. But that's where we are now, and there's
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still a lot of people who want to call it
the University of Indiana. It's not. It's Ius. They put
those letters together and the I comes first. So let's
just I'm hoping. I think Glenn Mason, our in studio
guest between four and five knows that. I'm sure we'll
talk more Hoosiers with him. We'll talk Golden Gophers with him.
(02:17):
Big game this weekend at Northwestern University. In addition to
Mace between four and five, we've got Kessler and studio
what five point thirty and coming up next segment by phone.
We have Tom Crean, who now, of course has become
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a big time analyst on many Minnesota Timberwolves TV broadcast
and has been a friend of the show for for
quite some time. So Crean will join us in about
ten minutes or so. It's on now, most of you,
I think, I'm sure, no, I'm sure there's been a
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lot of conversation about it today, that there's been an
interesting exchange that in all exchange is the wrong term.
I guess I should just lay it out in the
order in which things happened if you have not actually
been been paying attention. Chris Carter, who joined us Monday,
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had offered up a kind of snarky response to I
can't remember the name of the individual who tweeted out,
you know, praise of the JJ clutch gene after playing
very poorly through most of the game, getting on target
enough to give the vikings. However, briefly the late lead
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and Chris Carter, who was at the game, responded with
did you watch the first fifty nine minutes? And then
Carter also, I believe, added a thumbs down emoji at
which point, and I didn't know this when we talked
with Carter, I had no idea about this part of
the story. A JJ quarterback whisperer who came along long before,
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apparently KOC did, named Greg Holcombe, apparently saw the exchange,
or certainly the Carter response, and most of you know
it's got to be cleaned up a little bit. Holcombe's
response was bleeping clown. The tweet. I think that tweet's
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been deleted, and by the way, I think also an
apology by Holcombe has now been deleted. Here's the quote.
I want to offer my sincere apology for my recent
remark director towards mister Carter in which I refer to
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him as a bleeping clown in response to his comments
about the Vikings quarterback play. While I will always stand
up for someone I love, like my own son, my
choice of words was completely un acceptable and there were
I guess. The original apology went on for three more
paragraphs but basically said much of the same thing. Now.
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What I saw earlier today was Holcombe has he's pinned
a let me see if I can find it here
on the fly. He has pinned a new response. He
makes it sound like somebody made him here.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It is.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I was asked to remove the letter from social media,
but that does not diminish from my apology to Chris
Carter in the Vikings fan base. So I don't know
if we've if it's been established who asked him to
remove the letter? Where that goes, I don't know, but
that's the latest that was from I think about three
hours ago. So I not surprisingly leven fifty one am.
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I texted CC and I said, do you want to
respond on air to JJ's guy hammering you. I knew
nothing about this when we chatted on Monday, and about
five minutes later, my phone rings and it's CC and
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most of what we said is at least for now,
we'll have to be off the record. I guess it's
the best way to put it. I asked him, do
you want to come back on It doesn't even have
to be for long. Would you like to respond, would
you like to clarify? Would you like to do whatever
you want to do? Because in fact, I saw there
were a lot of people, a lot of Itikings fans
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who are mad at CC for what he said. Say,
if you're a you're a player on the next player
in the team, you don't do that, you don't pile
it on. You leave it to the snarky jackasses who
work at the fan to do that kind of thing.
That's not your job. You should have a little bit
more empathy, and you got to have more support, et cetera,
et cetera. I would argue that CC was stating the obvious.
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Anybody you know with half a football brain would say, well, yeah,
he's kind of right. I mean it, it was a
nice finish, but that in no way explains his performance
over the course of the game. And it's it's Chris Carter,
who's generally pretty blunt. He was very blunt even when
he played let alone. Now that he's he's not playing,
But I said, you, you know, you want to come
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on and explain yourself. And by the way, I should add,
when Carter was on with us, I thought he was
very nuanced in what he said about JJ. He was
critical at times, he was pointed at times, but I
don't think he was throw out the baby with the bathwater.
He didn't say Benchham, he didn't say give up on him.
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He said you got to keep playing him, and you
got to see if you can figure the thing out
or whatever. I thought he was very fair and and
very good, which he usually is on the air. But
I thought, well, maybe you want to respond, maybe you don't.
And the only response I'm authorized to go forward with
on the record from Chris is this, who is this guy?
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That's it? Who is this guy? And might escalate from there?
I doubt it because it doesn't sound like Holcomb is
in any mood to escalate it. Probably has no interest
in escalating it. It's the kind of controversy that is
right up Glenn Mason's alley. He loves this kind of stuff.
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He loves when battles are going on through the media
in this case, you know, between an ex player and
a an JJ maybe current for all I know quarterback
whisperer as well. So that was the extent of his response.
Might that change? I think CEC he had a lot
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more to say off the record, but I think he's
in the mode of I'm not gonna escalate it beyond this,
there's no upside for me doing that. He doesn't think
he said anything out of line with the original tweet.
He's just saying, you know, basically, we all kind of
saw what we saw, so and I think again he'
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views himself very much as a Vikings guy. He's a
huge KOC guy, and so he wants to see this
thing play out. Said, he expects this thing to play
out and then it might get better. But that was
the only quote that he was interested in going with. Now,
stay tuned. If it gets you know, built up anymore
from here, I doubt that it will. But it is
a reminder that these are the sorts of things. We
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haven't had a lot of these under the KOC crazy regime.
We really haven't have been a lot of controversies. But
this is what starts happening when things kind of come
unglued in the social you know, media internet world in
which we live. And it may have been inevitable that
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we know the tensions are high. I'm sure this this uh,
I'm be honest. I never heard of him either. Home
Holkm is different. He's he's protective of his guy, He's
worked with him forever, he wants to hang with him,
he wants all support possible. But as I think Chris
Carter told us on Monday, you know you are judged
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on performance, even if you know it's early in his career,
it's a performance driven deal. And you see what you see.
You can't unsee it. None of us can unsee what
we saw. So that's the extent, not much because I'm
not sure that's going to extend the story all that
much longer. But that's basically where at this point, at
least with me, Chris Carter wanted to leave it. Let's
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do this, let's pause, and we'll come back and we'll
get Glenn Mason in it for as I said, but
we got basketball talk to get to with our guy
Tom Crean early impressions on the Minnesota Timberwolves, and maybe
some other NBA related issues as well. Mason four Kessler
at five thirty.
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Speaker 1 (11:45):
Teachers all right, it is indeed time to catch up
with our old friend Tom Crean, former college basketball coach
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now big time college basketball and pro basketball analyst as
well and working a number of Wolves TV games. And
was just in town I believe as recently as earlier
this week or late last week, he joins us via
the Connectico Water Systems hotline. You got out just in
time before the cold. I mean that was very Now
you're back in Florida, I assume right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I'm back in Florida. That was actually a little cold
on Sunday and Monday. I grew up in Michigan, That's true.
Grew up in Michigan, coached in Milwaukee for nine years.
The Midwest. None of that bothers me. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah you're waiting.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I do love going back to Florida.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I understand that as well. There are a lot of people.
We have several guests who are in that mode, including
former Minnesota north Stars general manager lou Nanny, who now
actually spends more time in Florida than he does up here.
So I think we got our listeners. Is in Uh,
where's Louis? And do you remember but Brett Blimore.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I want to say Gulf Side, but I don't know.
Palm Beach, Tom Beach, That's right, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Ts Yeah, that Bowman has a place in Sarasota. He's
one of my coaching idols. Still never met him, yep,
And uh, I know he does a lot of Tampa
uh lightning lightning games, but I've still never seen him
in Sarasota. But I love those hockey those hockey legends.
Jack Lamare I think lives.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yes, we're right Florida in Florida as well, the former
obviously the first coach of the Minnesota while we've had
Louis has helped us get Scotty Bowman on. And that's
the that's the the beauty of Louis because he's connected
with pretty much everybody in hockey and it's just is
a master's class and just listening to him, well, you know,
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is his achievements, you know, I mean, they may not
have been a better coach in any sport ever, for
God's sake. And uh, it's it's fun to listen to
those guys who who still you know, can spin and
give great stories. Phil Esposito is another guy we've had
on with the because he grew up with Louis basically
same town. So all that stuff he lives in Tampa, right,
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that is I think correct, Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I see the commercials and things. I just didn't know
if he lived there full time or just they're part
of the time, but a lot of it's a it's
a fun place. But I love I loved being up
in Minnesota. Was there Thursday night you early yesterday morning?
And uh, outside of the one loss to the Nugget,
sure it was. It was a great time being up there. Right.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Give me, I'll just give you the floor for an
overview on what you're seeing, because you know, from a
distance I'm seeing finally what you know. One of the
one of the challenges for this team had been not
playing down to competition, which they tended to do the
last couple of years, even though obviously worked out pretty
well by the end, and it looks like they're kind of,
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you know, paying more attention to taking teams out they're
supposed to take out. On the other hand, I don't
think we the Wolves have beaten a team of the
winning record yet, so at some point, obviously you got
to get back to doing that. What give me some
of your early impressions from what you've seen, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Think you're You're exactly right. They're playing against that playing
well against those type of teams. The only thing I
think sometimes, and I've even mentioned this to Anthony a
couple of times, is like with the NBA, can change
so quick. Even when you think you have it won
in that fourth quarter, you know you can't let your
guard down in the league because first and foremost you
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want to make sure you get it done right that night,
and then secondly, those those habits can come back and
get you in a game that is going to be
a little bit more competitive. But I think I think
where they're at, I think everything that they have to
get better at it's correctable. I think we see the adjustments.
I think a great example was the Kings game on
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Friday night where the Bonus was just absolutely getting whatever
he wanted in the in the ball screen game, in
the second pass, you know when there's a drive and
he's floating into the paint, the follow up, the runouts,
you know for baskets in the break, and then they
cleaned it up in the second half, and Anthony obviously
had a really good third quarter but this team is
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I think the thing that's there is not only can
they correct it and get better at those things, but
they're pretty good at making adjustment inside of the game.
And they're still trying to figure out lineups. I'm sure
they're still trying to figure out who's playing where and when. Anthony,
I think, is doing a really good job of playing
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with the right kind of pace, certainly the right kind
of mindset, but he's really looking for his teammates. He's
moving the ball, and I think they learned quickly from
the game this past Saturday night where they were in
zone a lot with Denver and that got Minnesota standing around.
Anthony took an early three, had a bad pass turnover.
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I think Julius had an early three where the ball
wasn't even going through the paint. So you can get
better at those things, true, and you know whether it's
man or zone, so don't I don't see any glaring
weakness that can't be corrected. Now on the flip side,
got to get corrected. They've got to be better in
transition defense earlier. They can have better starts by being
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more efficient defensively getting out and running because they have
an outstanding running game, and they're way up, especially in
the last five six seven games when it comes to efficiency,
not only in isolation and in the break right, like
they're getting out and their playing and so I think
they can do a lot of different things. I think
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they're going to get better defensively. I don't think there's
any question about that. I think they can, but I
think once in transition, taking care of the ball, those
type of things. And I think the next thing for
Anthony is going to be helping with his shooting, because
he's certainly attacking the bucket, making plays, doing those things.
That's the ball moves a little bit more he gets
off the top after he starts the offense, then he'll
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get his catch and shoots back a little litle bit more.
But I think the team is they're capable of going
on big runs. I mean, I don't mean just big
runs in the game, right runs where they can get
into real winning streaks.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You know, let's stick with Anthony for a second, because
the decision was made right before the season, very abruptly.
I don't think anybody saw it coming. I don't think
Mike Conley quite frankly saw it coming until they approached him.
But you know, Conley is I mean, he's a team player.
He's going to handle it. But decision was made to
put Dante into the starting lineup, and part of that
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was we can manage you know, the head coach saying,
we can manage Conley's minutes more easily. May well be
he still finishes games, but that's the way we want
to do this sort of thing. And I viewed it as, okay,
you can do that. I don't view Dante really as
a ball handler. I'm not saying he can't, but I
don't think that's a major strength. And so in effect,
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to me, what they were saying Tom was Anthony Edwards
is going to run it and he's going to have
the ball in his hands, maybe even more than he
did before. When when you know, at least when Conley
is out of the game. So give us breakdown in
your view the impact on his development. Are you comfortable
with that? Is that the best way to get the
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most out of out of Anthony is asking for too
much given all the expectations he has as a score
and quite frankly as a defensive player as well. What
do you make of that, because it seems to me,
it's they're basically saying you are our scoring point guard
much of the time.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well, a couple things. Let's start with Mike Conley. I
didn't really he's thirty eight. I think the guy is
going to play untill he's forty two point three. He's
nowhere near being done. Such a great attitude, and I've
known him for a long time, so it was great
to connect with him back in there. But the attitude,
the energy, it's just that presence alone, whether he's starting
or coming off the bench, is good for everybody else
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out there and for Anthony right because it's it's a
calming influence. Now with Dante, I think he's been playing better.
I think Dante started to play better when Anthony was out.
I think Nas over the last two games and showing
what he's capable of. And to me, not even taking
the x's and o's, I thought Elson Turner had a
great point. Remember he said the ball was finding him
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because the ball was really moving. Well. I think Nas
is playing more athletic. I think he's playing lower. I
think the burst is there. I think he's looking to attack.
You know, a lot of times for a guy like Nas,
the difference between success and not being successful is about
a one inch bend of your kniees, right, And that's
what he's doing, right, He's down low catching the ball.
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He had a deep three the other night in the corner,
unbelievably quick relief. Well, he never had to get down
to shoot it. So I say all that because when
you're Dante or your Mike or your Anthony, the more
the ball moves and pulls the bigs out of the paint,
the better it is for your game and Anthony. Right now,
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the free throws, he had twelve free throw yeah, Friday
night in the game, eight of eight in the second quarter.
He's getting to the rim Denver game, third quarter, getting
to the rim. That's the progression of his game, reading
and seeing. We did a little breakdown of it where
we showed, Okay, here's where his eyes are, Here's where
his eyes are moving, Here's what he's locating. Here's what
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he's waiting to see happen. See. That's all great point
guard skills. So I think that of your question of development,
it's totally good for him. It's because he can do
so many things and the ball will find him. I
think Dante can make plays, he can come off the screen,
he can deliver the ball. Obviously he's got there's gonna
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be people that try to attack him defensively, but the
more that Anthony brings it down. And again, when you're
playing free and you're in the break and or on
a turnover, it's a totally different deal. But when the
ball moves, getting him off the top into the high
wing slot area, even at times in the corner, is
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going to create more movement, get him into some long
closeouts or they're going to be late, and he's going
to get more catch and shoot threes. I think that's
the only thing he's not opened very much right now.
I mean really able early on to build their help
around him, and he sees that help, which in his
growth process he's not forcing right and when he was
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younger he would take those shots. But I think the
more the ball moves, the more he gets off, that'll
be the next big part of that offense. And then
the ball finds him, we are never going to leave it.
But when you can get in that paint and create
a little bit more longer close out, that's going to
give him more opportunities for open threes or if his
man is early then to be able to break him
down to get into paint and either make a play
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for himself or somebody else. So I think the development
is right. Is right on pace? Really is?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You know, let's broaden out the discussion we're chatting with
with Tom Crean now doing what what are you doing?
Is it for how many games? Radio? TV games? You analyze?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, well, I'll be at ESPN all next No, there's
not a number. This all came up late. You know
that that it was on your show is when it
got finalized. And then after that it came up with
doing Milwaukee Bucks games in the same way. So I
did the previous weekend. I did two Bucks games and
was actually got I ended up doing the Marquette Indiana
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game on a Sunday in Chicago on ESPN at noon
because Corey Alexander had gotten stranded in Atlanta and they
knew that I was actually in Milwaukee. Unfortunately, Larry Holme
and Norby Williamson at Banduel Sports Network allowed me to
go to Chicago because there was nobody else. I think
the nearest person somebody lived to do the game was
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four and a half hours away somewhere in Iowa, and
they allowed me to go up and do the game,
which was great. I mean I didn't have any notes
or anything like that, but at least I knew the
teams and prepared as quick as I could, and then
come back and finish the Houston Milwaukee game, which are
uh was a fun day for me big, and then
the three Minnesota games. So like tomorrow night, I'll do
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Milwaukee from my home studios and now I'll start doing
games remotely, and then I think my next early December
of my next Timberwolves games, but they'll be from here.
That's great, so hopefully there'll be more trips up there.
Originally with this was set up to do them remotely,
the initial trips up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, exactly, so I know you still got a lot
of whether you're doing them here in your studio, you
got more a lot more games to do it. I
didn't realize you're doing the Bucks probably fun as well.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, came up after we talked last.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's all good.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'll do a Bucks game tomorrow night and Saturday, and
then ESPN. I have a contract with NBC, so Unfortunately
I wish, I wish my stuff was over spread over
twelve months A year like coaching. Not so it's int
going to be a mad dad, but I'm excited for it. Yeah,
I know, you learned so much it's unbelievable. Well, and
you believe what I'm learning about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You got, you got a lot. You got a lot
to offer too. That and that versatility speaks well for
you as well, whether we're talking about college or pros.
I wanted to broaden it out because a name that
is already coming up, not necessarily for here, but it's
going to come up any place where there might be
a perception that there's a need for some help at
point guard is John Morant, obviously, and I'm fascinated by
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what he represents because we all know how ridiculously explosive
at his best he can be and was at one point.
We also know some of the other history that's gotten
in the way we've seen what's happened early this season
as well, and in general, I don't know if you
want to speak to job directly or even more generally philosophically,
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the ongoing debate for personnel managers, for general managers, for
coaches when it comes to the idea of you know,
balancing out talent and what you think if we get them,
what we could do with him, you know, get them
in a different environment and everything's going to be perfect.
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And you balance that with but wait a minute, what
are we what are we setting ourselves up for? How
dangerous is of a situation?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Given his past? So how do you do that balancing
act when it comes to because you know, talent is
always going to get it, or not always, but most
of the time he is going to get another chance,
sometimes three four five chances.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, he's he's he's playing like an enigma right now
because there's it's it's really hard to figure out. Obviously
it's hurt right now, but I mean it's really hard
to figure out where the mindset is because when I
watch him play, I see a guy he's never been
shorter on his jump shots than what he's been early
after season, now playing with great frustration and now again
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he's not I wouldn't say he's playing selfish because there
was a situation a few games ago where he made
it pass. It was a turnover. You know, he had
some maybe some body language with that. But then he
comes right back down and he delivers two assists. So
it's not like he's hunting forced shots. You just don't
look like they're going in. And answer to your question
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on the bigger picture, I've talked with Anthony before over
years about, you know, ideas on different players and things
like that when things that come up. I did not
bring up anything about this one to him or having
at all, and didn't see any of the it's not
like there's anybody there. I'm going to ask that question
up in Minnesota. My opinion of that is this, anybody
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playing in an environment with Anthony is going to automatically
go up energy wise, confidence wise, having fun wise exponentially
if they're there right. So, like Job, we know he
has that any he'd be my biggest question for the
tim wolves you've got. I wouldn't move nas Reed. I
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know that I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to
move some of these guys that you've got that are
inside of this program. I mean, and maybe you know
people obviously get paid to make those decisions and look
at the numbers and things like that, but you've got
a chemistry. I certainly wouldn't move Jade McDaniels. I mean,
there's there's no way I mean it would it would
take something stellar, which I don't think that is. This
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is just my opinion, and I hope this is not
being on behalf of anybody, but my opinion, I wouldn't
move any of that group to get somebody else in there,
whether it's Jaw or maybe other players that are like him. Now,
there's some other superstars you could get someday for that,
that's another story, sure, But there's a chemistry in there.
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Anthony loves playing with those guys, they love playing with him.
And one of the hardest things to get in the NBA.
And you know this, and your listeners know this. It
is to get synergy, it is to get chemistry. It
is to get people that really enjoy playing with each other.
And here's the problem. The best team in the West
right now is an obvious sign of a team that
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does that. Like, those guys really play well together, right,
Like they compliment each other so well. And so you're
not just playing against a talented Oklahoma City team. And
I'm sure they have their issues and things like that too,
but it looks like they get over them quick. The
thing with Oklahoma City, you're playing a team that is
tremendously together, and so if you're going to challenge to
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win it all, yeah, you gotta have talent, but you
better have some real synergy in chemistry. Now that doesn't
mean that the Timberwolves couldn't make a move for somebody,
but I'm not sure that I would be messing with
that core of that young group. And why would anybody,
Why would somebody not want to trade for somebody in
that core because they see it too. They see It's
crazy how many I didn't realize how many NBA personnel,
(29:41):
assistant GM scouts people like that get there so early
for the games. And I knew scouts got early to
the college games. They mean, it's the same way in
the NBA. There's so many people there evaluating the games,
the teams, the players, the early warm ups. I mean
we're talking about the guys that come out first to
and a half hours before the game. You might have
(30:03):
half a dozen to eight NBA teams personnel sit in
there watching note. So they're always evaluating everything. And I
just I love where the tim Worlds are going with this.
I really do.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It sounds like you're saying because one of the things
have come up, whether it's about Joab or any other
guy who's identified as a guy who has the ball
in his hands a lot. The question I would get
via text is, well, wait a minute, now, you got
you know, the ant's got to have the ball decent amount.
Randall's got to have the ball decent amount. So would
(30:35):
there even be room for another guy who needs the
ball a lot? Even if he is he would add,
you know, another layer to the talent level. Would that
part of it concern you or do you have enough
faith in certainly Edward's ability to figure that thing out
where you don't think that'd be an issue.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
No, I look at it differently. Yeah, I don't look
at it now now. Selfishness is another store true that
people that want the ball, but they can also have
proven they can play without it. And that's why the
catch and shoot is such an incredibly valuable thing, because
not only you get to catch and shoot, which you
create the long clothes out and now you're keeping the
game going, you're driving the paint. I think the harder
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part for anybody in that situation is your bigs, and
that's where it's been an adjustment. Obviously over time, they're
still always working on it. When you have Rudy, you
have to keep making sure you're utilizing him. But at
the same time, there's enough space to get into the paint, right,
And I mean, look at Jokic the other night. Jokic
(31:34):
just kept stepping outside more like obviously he runs the floor,
gets in the paint to deliver the ball, but he's
also stepping outside to shoot threes. Well, that's not what
Rudy's going to do, right, Rudy's not going to step
outside and pull you out like Jokic does and be
a threat. So like you're always when your fives are
not and au Julius is different when he's playing the
(31:55):
five or nots, but when your fives are not shooters
in modern day MBA, the space is always up for
grabs and you have to keep looking for ways to
get that space to open up the paint. And it
was almost interesting last night watching Utah play the Lakers,
(32:15):
But I didn't realize Lebron was back. He was so
open last time last night at times for threes or
for long close out drives and getting to the paint
because there was so much attention paid to Luca and
so much attention you know, when Reeves said the ball,
all of a sudden, there's Lebron sitting there open. Well,
there's a lot of space, right, there's a lot of space.
Ayton wasn't clogging the lane. He was in the y
(32:37):
in the alley.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Good point, right.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I think the spacing thing is the bigger thing with
guys that got to have the ball and making sure
there's enough space to operate in in today's NBA, not
necessarily whose ball dominant?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Real quick before we wrap up, I'm sure you've seen
the comment. Steve Kerr's comments are getting a lot of
attention that he is theorizing that in the increased pace
of and maybe even a schedule where there's a little
bit more intensity early in the season is leading to
a more soft tissue injuries. Do you buy that? Do
(33:10):
you think it's more complicated than that? What was your
what's your reaction to what Kerr head is?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well? First off, first off, Steve's timing is always unique.
I mean, it's it's you know why we're bringing that
up now, that's the stuff that gets done in the season.
You got an older team. You know he beats to
his own drum. There's no doubt he does. You know,
you're trying to make sure that people are understanding that
the product is good that I think the bigger problem
(33:36):
is this Dan. I think the training is a bigger issue. Now.
I'm not in the NBA, but I follow it, I studied,
I got a lot of players in it. Anthony is
is one of the I wouldn't call him an outlier,
but when you train the way he does, and Julius's
workout people, Tyler Ralph was in Dallas, they were in town.
I saw them the other day. When you've got people
(33:57):
that are training and wise, conditioning wise, strength wise, not
only individual trainer wise, but also getting enough game like
action where they're getting up and down the court, I
think those things are big. I'm not sure everybody's doing
that right. And what happens is camp is so short,
(34:18):
all right, if anything, have a longer period for camp
to ramp up where And again, I'm not trying to
act like a doctor. And I stayed at the Lofton Hotel,
which was unbelievable, not a holiday and express, So I'm
not trying to get out of my lane here. But
I've been believing this for a while. I think the
offseason training coming into camp not ready coming into camp overweight,
(34:42):
coming into camp and not getting enough playing of like
live full playing, not stopping playing games inside of that,
and then carrying that into the games. I think that
has got something to do with this too. Now, is
Steve right? Yeah, Steve's coached thousands of games and play
thousands of games of that NBA, and he's right. It's
(35:03):
somebody that loves the game and a fan of the game.
I don't like his timing all the time of that
stuff because there's nothing you're gonna do about it now,
all right, there's nothing you can do about it. The
season is the season. But to me, I think I
think every team, I think the study someday, Okay, how
are guys training, what do they need to go through?
(35:23):
This contact, the soft tissue stuff? How much of this
is because we're not in the proper basketball shape when
this season starts. Now, that's my belief from following it
without any scientific you know, I'm not trying to speak
science without science, I don't have that. I'm not. I'm
giving you an opinion based on what I really try
to watch and see, talk to some others about, but
(35:45):
really try to see in my own guys, and I
think it's big. I think that part of it is big,
and I think that plays into it. Now. I don't
know how you quantify it because I don't know if
there's a stat for any of that, but I do
think that's a part of it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You think they're they're over training or they're just not training.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Under training for basketball. I think people are training. I
think they're in the gym. I think they're getting the
workouts that they're lifting, but I don't I don't see
the endurance gotcha training right and the ramp up. I've
said this on your show before, but Dwayne Wade was
unbelievable because he learned that you had to have a
(36:26):
really good balance of working with a trainer but also
with a basketball coach and getting true basketball training. Now,
there's some overuse, you know, with younger people. I I
totally believe that, But when you're talking about NBA people,
I'm not sure they're set for the duration uh and
(36:46):
the durability that's got to have to go into these games.
And if anything, I was commissioner for a day, I'd
fight whoever who need to fight to make sure that
the camp wrap up gets a little bit more intensified,
and there's a little more time for these guys to
get ready to play the games, even a few more
exhibition games or relax some of the rules. But you're
(37:07):
the first one that's asked my opinion, so I'll have
to leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
That works for me. We're against the clock and you
probably got things to do. Hell, you got probably got
another game to study for in the basis of your
schedule these days.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
But I do yeah that I'm down live at six o'clock,
so I'll be awesome answer some question.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
We appreciate you. We'll be in touch soon. Thanks Tom, as.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Always anytime you're well.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Much appreciated. Tom Crean man, busy guy, college pro, not
just the Walls now doing the Milwaukee Bucks. It's good
to be Crean. And nobody enjoys it, obviously and lives
that the game of basketball quite the way he does.
That's for sure. A guy who lived the game of
football is going to join us. At the top of
the hour, Mace in your face. We got one more
(37:48):
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Make it stop, Please please make it stop. But it's
not going to stop. Visit. Have you seen the latest
comments from JJ McCarthy. I've skimmed him. I just didn't
(38:39):
even know where to begin. The premise seems to be
that he's learning a different style than what he grew
up with, which might well be true. It's very new
coming in here. I was taught how to play quarterback
in a very different way, and that's expected going into
the league, going into any new team, any new system.
(39:00):
But at the end of the day, it was really
just the injuries that I felt like took away all
those reps to make those a habit and make them concrete.
So he's following up with the settling concrete imagery, which
we got from the head coach yesterday. Then there's this
you know you're rewiring neurological pathways, and that's not something
(39:20):
that's that's not something that happens overnight. We what are
we doing? None of this stuff, Oh my God helps
his cause at all. Just go play, just get better,
just keep working it, keep making mistakes but trying to
learn from them. Remarkable, absolutely remarkable. The bratch on Brian
Camfan text line, as always is open at six four
(39:44):
six eighty six. Let me reboot it because it logs
us out sometimes, so I think there's a lot of
stuff that week, the first text new text to come in.
You can blame Hulcombe for that. I yeah, maybe you can.
I don't know Holcombe again. His his name is Greg Holcombe,
who has apparently was the former quarterback whisperer for a
(40:07):
JJ McCarthy. He's described as the private position coach for Holcombe,
the private position coach. I think he's based in Chicago,
if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure. I'm sure Mace
might have an opinion on private position coaches, and I'm
(40:28):
sure they sometimes they help the cause. Sometimes I wonder
if they indeed heard it. I'm not exactly sure. Let
me read that one again.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Where did it go? Where's Ben Gesling? That's why I
saw it from Ben Gessling X got to be here
somewhere there it is you're rewiring neurological.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Pathways, and that's not something that happens overnight. So you
just understanding giving myself that grace, that patience. Might not
have it today, but it's something I'm gonna continue to
strive after, day after day, rep after ref ref rep,
I should say, and get to the place where well
I want me to be. I don't remember a word
about neurological pathways when Dante Culpepper came aboard. Actually I
(41:18):
don't even hear it. I don't even remember when Christian
Ponder did. But maybe my memory is not very good.
I'm not sure it's it's it's the effort. I think
there's just a lot of ways where you can, even
if you think you're you're doing your quarterback a favor,
you actually, in a public sense, work against him. I
(41:41):
was talking to somebody about this the other day, who
shall remain nameless, regarding we've we've we've we've discussed it before,
all the stuff we've heard about leadership, toughness. You know
that all sounds good, But first what you got to
do before you can sort of burnish your image in
(42:02):
that sense is you just got to play more often
and you just got to play better, and then that
stuff's gonna come. You'll have. But it's almost like we're
built it's in reverse. The whole problem here, and this
is largely because he was hurt as long as he
was all last season and much of this season is
it's like we're trying to build the myth first, the
(42:23):
mythology around him before he's done anything that could be
even considered borderline mythological. That's the part that makes no
sense to me. Let it breathe before we try to
assign all these qualities and anybody would want to play
for him, and he's got this and he's got that.
Just just complete the next five throws in a row.
(42:44):
That's all. That's all you need. I would say, are you.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Familiar with the term neuroplasticity. It's the learning to rewrite
your neural pathways as a process called neuroplasticity. Which is
it a procedure, No, it's.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Not, Oh, or is it just it's it's it's it's
a series of it's habits that you chant you somehow.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
It's literally forming new neural connections, and strengthening or weakening
is existing ones through new experiences or constant or consistent practice.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Basically, you just have to practice it. I guess you do.
Tom from Savage. Neurological pathways are not easily correctible, but
you seem to be saying the same thing, so that
may well indeed be true. What does one have to
(43:36):
do one? What does one have to do with the
other day? And hasn't science advanced since then? Technology? Any
opportunity to bash JJ? That's Dave from Fargo. All I
can do, Dave from Fargo, is respond to what's put
in front of me. And you can believe this or
not believe this. There are a million football people out
there who are rolling their eyes at some of this stuff.
(43:59):
They just are. So if it hurts your feelings, I'm
sorry it hurts your feelings. It's not about bashing anybody.
I got up today not knowing what was going to
be said by the head coach and what was going
to be said by the player. I have no control
over that, do I. I don't think neither is Chris Carter.
If he goes to a game and he didn't play
(44:20):
very well, he's supposed to ignore the fact that he
wasn't very good for fifty nine minutes because he used
to be a Viking. What are you talking about here.
I've got too many people who watch the game seriously
enough that they don't want sugar coating. They actually prefer
that even young players get challenged a little bit. Doesn't
mean you give up on him, I mean you cut him.
(44:40):
But that's really what we're dealing with right now. Great
opportunity to this Sunday to take care of business against
your club and completely change the narrative. As they like
to say in the business, it's all takes is one
game on the road, and you got all your built
in excuses because you've got an injury list is basically
as long as you're right, left hand and right and left.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Foot, as long as uh Dante Culpepper's fingers yesterday.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
That's true too, that's as long as the Vikings one in.
Let's do this top of the hour pause. We'll get
Mason here, we'll talk some college football. I'll get his
feeling on the whole JJ McCarthy phenomenon here and how
he tended to try to deal with quarterbacks who were
struggling a little bit what his approach was. Was he
tough love guy, sort of like Ben Johnson is in
Chicago or was he more nurturing, soft guy like Koc
(45:28):
continues apparently to try to be Mace if you got
questions for him. Rat Shawn Brian Cafe in text line
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Is your It's on now Leader Fan Fan Radio Network.
What n k f a n dot com? Who is that?
Play that one again?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Play it one more time? What I don't think I
can identify is that castle House? What am I supposed
to do? That's Kestler?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, I guess it is. That's when did you capture
that one? It's a good one.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
October thirtieth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Seriously, it goes back that far. But is it just
recently captured or have you had that all along? It's
it's in the It's in the systancy file. So is
that a Is that a from us? Or is that
a power trip one? Use?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, it's from you from okay, clips by the Power
the clips by the Power Dress.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I don't remember that one. That's a that's a goodie.
I'll go with two minutes forty nine seconds past the
hour three o'clock Central Standard Time, Bumber Bumper Show is
on the I think it's a full three and a
half hour program today. Brett Blake Moore is in that chair.
The host of the program is a former instate retch
newspaper The Twin Cities. My name is Dan Barrero. Guardzi
(01:12):
is I think in Lawrence, Kansas go for women taking
on KU. I think we got that established yesterday. K You,
even though apparently there's signs on campus that also say
University of Kansas, So perhaps they very intentionally want to
confuse people or just have the versatility where either will
(01:33):
be accepted. University of Indiana is not accepted. I've had
to teach people that and remind them of that because
this year people are actually talking about Indiana University because
of the state of the football program. Not familiar with
that state. Certainly when I was there was not quite
as good. But that's where we are now, and there's
(01:54):
still a lot of people who want to call it
the University of Indiana. It's not. It's Ius. They put
those letters together and the I comes first. So let's
just I'm hoping. I think Glenn Mason, our in studio
guest between four and five knows that. I'm sure we'll
talk more Hoosiers with him. We'll talk Golden Gophers with him.
(02:17):
Big game this weekend at Northwestern University. In addition to
Mace between four and five, we've got Kessler and studio
what five point thirty and coming up next segment by phone.
We have Tom Crean, who now, of course has become
(02:40):
a big time analyst on many Minnesota Timberwolves TV broadcast
and has been a friend of the show for for
quite some time. So Crean will join us in about
ten minutes or so. It's on now, most of you,
I think, I'm sure, no, I'm sure there's been a
(03:01):
lot of conversation about it today, that there's been an
interesting exchange that in all exchange is the wrong term.
I guess I should just lay it out in the
order in which things happened if you have not actually
been been paying attention. Chris Carter, who joined us Monday,
(03:25):
had offered up a kind of snarky response to I
can't remember the name of the individual who tweeted out,
you know, praise of the JJ clutch gene after playing
very poorly through most of the game, getting on target
enough to give the vikings. However, briefly the late lead
(03:49):
and Chris Carter, who was at the game, responded with
did you watch the first fifty nine minutes? And then
Carter also, I believe, added a thumbs down emoji at
which point, and I didn't know this when we talked
with Carter, I had no idea about this part of
the story. A JJ quarterback whisperer who came along long before,
(04:17):
apparently KOC did, named Greg Holcombe, apparently saw the exchange,
or certainly the Carter response, and most of you know
it's got to be cleaned up a little bit. Holcombe's
response was bleeping clown. The tweet. I think that tweet's
(04:41):
been deleted, and by the way, I think also an
apology by Holcombe has now been deleted. Here's the quote.
I want to offer my sincere apology for my recent
remark director towards mister Carter in which I refer to
(05:02):
him as a bleeping clown in response to his comments
about the Vikings quarterback play. While I will always stand
up for someone I love, like my own son, my
choice of words was completely un acceptable and there were
I guess. The original apology went on for three more
paragraphs but basically said much of the same thing. Now.
(05:25):
What I saw earlier today was Holcombe has he's pinned
a let me see if I can find it here
on the fly. He has pinned a new response. He
makes it sound like somebody made him here.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It is.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I was asked to remove the letter from social media,
but that does not diminish from my apology to Chris
Carter in the Vikings fan base. So I don't know
if we've if it's been established who asked him to
remove the letter? Where that goes, I don't know, but
that's the latest that was from I think about three
hours ago. So I not surprisingly leven fifty one am.
(06:09):
I texted CC and I said, do you want to
respond on air to JJ's guy hammering you. I knew
nothing about this when we chatted on Monday, and about
five minutes later, my phone rings and it's CC and
(06:33):
most of what we said is at least for now,
we'll have to be off the record. I guess it's
the best way to put it. I asked him, do
you want to come back on It doesn't even have
to be for long. Would you like to respond, would
you like to clarify? Would you like to do whatever
you want to do? Because in fact, I saw there
were a lot of people, a lot of Itikings fans
(06:56):
who are mad at CC for what he said. Say,
if you're a you're a player on the next player
in the team, you don't do that, you don't pile
it on. You leave it to the snarky jackasses who
work at the fan to do that kind of thing.
That's not your job. You should have a little bit
more empathy, and you got to have more support, et cetera,
et cetera. I would argue that CC was stating the obvious.
(07:19):
Anybody you know with half a football brain would say, well, yeah,
he's kind of right. I mean it, it was a
nice finish, but that in no way explains his performance
over the course of the game. And it's it's Chris Carter,
who's generally pretty blunt. He was very blunt even when
he played let alone. Now that he's he's not playing,
But I said, you, you know, you want to come
(07:40):
on and explain yourself. And by the way, I should add,
when Carter was on with us, I thought he was
very nuanced in what he said about JJ. He was
critical at times, he was pointed at times, but I
don't think he was throw out the baby with the bathwater.
He didn't say Benchham, he didn't say give up on him.
(08:03):
He said you got to keep playing him, and you
got to see if you can figure the thing out
or whatever. I thought he was very fair and and
very good, which he usually is on the air. But
I thought, well, maybe you want to respond, maybe you don't.
And the only response I'm authorized to go forward with
on the record from Chris is this, who is this guy?
(08:28):
That's it? Who is this guy? And might escalate from there?
I doubt it because it doesn't sound like Holcomb is
in any mood to escalate it. Probably has no interest
in escalating it. It's the kind of controversy that is
right up Glenn Mason's alley. He loves this kind of stuff.
(08:49):
He loves when battles are going on through the media
in this case, you know, between an ex player and
a an JJ maybe current for all I know quarterback
whisperer as well. So that was the extent of his response.
Might that change? I think CEC he had a lot
(09:12):
more to say off the record, but I think he's
in the mode of I'm not gonna escalate it beyond this,
there's no upside for me doing that. He doesn't think
he said anything out of line with the original tweet.
He's just saying, you know, basically, we all kind of
saw what we saw, so and I think again he'
(09:33):
views himself very much as a Vikings guy. He's a
huge KOC guy, and so he wants to see this
thing play out. Said, he expects this thing to play
out and then it might get better. But that was
the only quote that he was interested in going with. Now,
stay tuned. If it gets you know, built up anymore
from here, I doubt that it will. But it is
a reminder that these are the sorts of things. We
(09:56):
haven't had a lot of these under the KOC crazy regime.
We really haven't have been a lot of controversies. But
this is what starts happening when things kind of come
unglued in the social you know, media internet world in
which we live. And it may have been inevitable that
(10:18):
we know the tensions are high. I'm sure this this uh,
I'm be honest. I never heard of him either. Home
Holkm is different. He's he's protective of his guy, He's
worked with him forever, he wants to hang with him,
he wants all support possible. But as I think Chris
Carter told us on Monday, you know you are judged
(10:40):
on performance, even if you know it's early in his career,
it's a performance driven deal. And you see what you see.
You can't unsee it. None of us can unsee what
we saw. So that's the extent, not much because I'm
not sure that's going to extend the story all that
much longer. But that's basically where at this point, at
least with me, Chris Carter wanted to leave it. Let's
(11:03):
do this, let's pause, and we'll come back and we'll
get Glenn Mason in it for as I said, but
we got basketball talk to get to with our guy
Tom Crean early impressions on the Minnesota Timberwolves, and maybe
some other NBA related issues as well. Mason four Kessler
at five thirty.
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Teachers all right, it is indeed time to catch up
with our old friend Tom Crean, former college basketball coach
(12:06):
now big time college basketball and pro basketball analyst as
well and working a number of Wolves TV games. And
was just in town I believe as recently as earlier
this week or late last week, he joins us via
the Connectico Water Systems hotline. You got out just in
time before the cold. I mean that was very Now
you're back in Florida, I assume right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I'm back in Florida. That was actually a little cold
on Sunday and Monday. I grew up in Michigan, That's true.
Grew up in Michigan, coached in Milwaukee for nine years.
The Midwest. None of that bothers me. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah you're waiting.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I do love going back to Florida.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I understand that as well. There are a lot of people.
We have several guests who are in that mode, including
former Minnesota north Stars general manager lou Nanny, who now
actually spends more time in Florida than he does up here.
So I think we got our listeners. Is in Uh,
where's Louis? And do you remember but Brett Blimore.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I want to say Gulf Side, but I don't know.
Palm Beach, Tom Beach, That's right, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Ts Yeah, that Bowman has a place in Sarasota. He's
one of my coaching idols. Still never met him, yep,
And uh, I know he does a lot of Tampa
uh lightning lightning games, but I've still never seen him
in Sarasota. But I love those hockey those hockey legends.
Jack Lamare I think lives.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yes, we're right Florida in Florida as well, the former
obviously the first coach of the Minnesota while we've had
Louis has helped us get Scotty Bowman on. And that's
the that's the the beauty of Louis because he's connected
with pretty much everybody in hockey and it's just is
a master's class and just listening to him, well, you know,
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is his achievements, you know, I mean, they may not
have been a better coach in any sport ever, for
God's sake. And uh, it's it's fun to listen to
those guys who who still you know, can spin and
give great stories. Phil Esposito is another guy we've had
on with the because he grew up with Louis basically
same town. So all that stuff he lives in Tampa, right,
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that is I think correct, Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I see the commercials and things. I just didn't know
if he lived there full time or just they're part
of the time, but a lot of it's a it's
a fun place. But I love I loved being up
in Minnesota. Was there Thursday night you early yesterday morning?
And uh, outside of the one loss to the Nugget,
sure it was. It was a great time being up there. Right.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Give me, I'll just give you the floor for an
overview on what you're seeing, because you know, from a
distance I'm seeing finally what you know. One of the
one of the challenges for this team had been not
playing down to competition, which they tended to do the
last couple of years, even though obviously worked out pretty
well by the end, and it looks like they're kind of,
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you know, paying more attention to taking teams out they're
supposed to take out. On the other hand, I don't
think we the Wolves have beaten a team of the
winning record yet, so at some point, obviously you got
to get back to doing that. What give me some
of your early impressions from what you've seen, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Think you're You're exactly right. They're playing against that playing
well against those type of teams. The only thing I
think sometimes, and I've even mentioned this to Anthony a
couple of times, is like with the NBA, can change
so quick. Even when you think you have it won
in that fourth quarter, you know you can't let your
guard down in the league because first and foremost you
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want to make sure you get it done right that night,
and then secondly, those those habits can come back and
get you in a game that is going to be
a little bit more competitive. But I think I think
where they're at, I think everything that they have to
get better at it's correctable. I think we see the adjustments.
I think a great example was the Kings game on
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Friday night where the Bonus was just absolutely getting whatever
he wanted in the in the ball screen game, in
the second pass, you know when there's a drive and
he's floating into the paint, the follow up, the runouts,
you know for baskets in the break, and then they
cleaned it up in the second half, and Anthony obviously
had a really good third quarter but this team is
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I think the thing that's there is not only can
they correct it and get better at those things, but
they're pretty good at making adjustment inside of the game.
And they're still trying to figure out lineups. I'm sure
they're still trying to figure out who's playing where and when. Anthony,
I think, is doing a really good job of playing
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with the right kind of pace, certainly the right kind
of mindset, but he's really looking for his teammates. He's
moving the ball, and I think they learned quickly from
the game this past Saturday night where they were in
zone a lot with Denver and that got Minnesota standing around.
Anthony took an early three, had a bad pass turnover.
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I think Julius had an early three where the ball
wasn't even going through the paint. So you can get
better at those things, true, and you know whether it's
man or zone, so don't I don't see any glaring
weakness that can't be corrected. Now on the flip side,
got to get corrected. They've got to be better in
transition defense earlier. They can have better starts by being
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more efficient defensively getting out and running because they have
an outstanding running game, and they're way up, especially in
the last five six seven games when it comes to efficiency,
not only in isolation and in the break right, like
they're getting out and their playing and so I think
they can do a lot of different things. I think
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they're going to get better defensively. I don't think there's
any question about that. I think they can, but I
think once in transition, taking care of the ball, those
type of things. And I think the next thing for
Anthony is going to be helping with his shooting, because
he's certainly attacking the bucket, making plays, doing those things.
That's the ball moves a little bit more he gets
off the top after he starts the offense, then he'll
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get his catch and shoots back a little litle bit more.
But I think the team is they're capable of going
on big runs. I mean, I don't mean just big
runs in the game, right runs where they can get
into real winning streaks.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You know, let's stick with Anthony for a second, because
the decision was made right before the season, very abruptly.
I don't think anybody saw it coming. I don't think
Mike Conley quite frankly saw it coming until they approached him.
But you know, Conley is I mean, he's a team player.
He's going to handle it. But decision was made to
put Dante into the starting lineup, and part of that
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was we can manage you know, the head coach saying,
we can manage Conley's minutes more easily. May well be
he still finishes games, but that's the way we want
to do this sort of thing. And I viewed it as, okay,
you can do that. I don't view Dante really as
a ball handler. I'm not saying he can't, but I
don't think that's a major strength. And so in effect,
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to me, what they were saying Tom was Anthony Edwards
is going to run it and he's going to have
the ball in his hands, maybe even more than he
did before. When when you know, at least when Conley
is out of the game. So give us breakdown in
your view the impact on his development. Are you comfortable
with that? Is that the best way to get the
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most out of out of Anthony is asking for too
much given all the expectations he has as a score
and quite frankly as a defensive player as well. What
do you make of that, because it seems to me,
it's they're basically saying you are our scoring point guard
much of the time.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well, a couple things. Let's start with Mike Conley. I
didn't really he's thirty eight. I think the guy is
going to play untill he's forty two point three. He's
nowhere near being done. Such a great attitude, and I've
known him for a long time, so it was great
to connect with him back in there. But the attitude,
the energy, it's just that presence alone, whether he's starting
or coming off the bench, is good for everybody else
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out there and for Anthony right because it's it's a
calming influence. Now with Dante, I think he's been playing better.
I think Dante started to play better when Anthony was out.
I think Nas over the last two games and showing
what he's capable of. And to me, not even taking
the x's and o's, I thought Elson Turner had a
great point. Remember he said the ball was finding him
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because the ball was really moving. Well. I think Nas
is playing more athletic. I think he's playing lower. I
think the burst is there. I think he's looking to attack.
You know, a lot of times for a guy like Nas,
the difference between success and not being successful is about
a one inch bend of your kniees, right, And that's
what he's doing, right, He's down low catching the ball.
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He had a deep three the other night in the corner,
unbelievably quick relief. Well, he never had to get down
to shoot it. So I say all that because when
you're Dante or your Mike or your Anthony, the more
the ball moves and pulls the bigs out of the paint,
the better it is for your game and Anthony. Right now,
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the free throws, he had twelve free throw yeah, Friday
night in the game, eight of eight in the second quarter.
He's getting to the rim Denver game, third quarter, getting
to the rim. That's the progression of his game, reading
and seeing. We did a little breakdown of it where
we showed, Okay, here's where his eyes are, Here's where
his eyes are moving, Here's what he's locating. Here's what
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he's waiting to see happen. See. That's all great point
guard skills. So I think that of your question of development,
it's totally good for him. It's because he can do
so many things and the ball will find him. I
think Dante can make plays, he can come off the screen,
he can deliver the ball. Obviously he's got there's gonna
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be people that try to attack him defensively, but the
more that Anthony brings it down. And again, when you're
playing free and you're in the break and or on
a turnover, it's a totally different deal. But when the
ball moves, getting him off the top into the high
wing slot area, even at times in the corner, is
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going to create more movement, get him into some long
closeouts or they're going to be late, and he's going
to get more catch and shoot threes. I think that's
the only thing he's not opened very much right now.
I mean really able early on to build their help
around him, and he sees that help, which in his
growth process he's not forcing right and when he was
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younger he would take those shots. But I think the
more the ball moves, the more he gets off, that'll
be the next big part of that offense. And then
the ball finds him, we are never going to leave it.
But when you can get in that paint and create
a little bit more longer close out, that's going to
give him more opportunities for open threes or if his
man is early then to be able to break him
down to get into paint and either make a play
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for himself or somebody else. So I think the development
is right. Is right on pace? Really is?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You know, let's broaden out the discussion we're chatting with
with Tom Crean now doing what what are you doing?
Is it for how many games? Radio? TV games? You analyze?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, well, I'll be at ESPN all next No, there's
not a number. This all came up late. You know
that that it was on your show is when it
got finalized. And then after that it came up with
doing Milwaukee Bucks games in the same way. So I
did the previous weekend. I did two Bucks games and
was actually got I ended up doing the Marquette Indiana
(23:23):
game on a Sunday in Chicago on ESPN at noon
because Corey Alexander had gotten stranded in Atlanta and they
knew that I was actually in Milwaukee. Unfortunately, Larry Holme
and Norby Williamson at Banduel Sports Network allowed me to
go to Chicago because there was nobody else. I think
the nearest person somebody lived to do the game was
(23:44):
four and a half hours away somewhere in Iowa, and
they allowed me to go up and do the game,
which was great. I mean I didn't have any notes
or anything like that, but at least I knew the
teams and prepared as quick as I could, and then
come back and finish the Houston Milwaukee game, which are
uh was a fun day for me big, and then
the three Minnesota games. So like tomorrow night, I'll do
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Milwaukee from my home studios and now I'll start doing
games remotely, and then I think my next early December
of my next Timberwolves games, but they'll be from here.
That's great, so hopefully there'll be more trips up there.
Originally with this was set up to do them remotely,
the initial trips up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, exactly, so I know you still got a lot
of whether you're doing them here in your studio, you
got more a lot more games to do it. I
didn't realize you're doing the Bucks probably fun as well.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, came up after we talked last.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's all good.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'll do a Bucks game tomorrow night and Saturday, and
then ESPN. I have a contract with NBC, so Unfortunately
I wish, I wish my stuff was over spread over
twelve months A year like coaching. Not so it's int
going to be a mad dad, but I'm excited for it. Yeah,
I know, you learned so much it's unbelievable. Well, and
you believe what I'm learning about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You got, you got a lot. You got a lot
to offer too. That and that versatility speaks well for
you as well, whether we're talking about college or pros.
I wanted to broaden it out because a name that
is already coming up, not necessarily for here, but it's
going to come up any place where there might be
a perception that there's a need for some help at
point guard is John Morant, obviously, and I'm fascinated by
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what he represents because we all know how ridiculously explosive
at his best he can be and was at one point.
We also know some of the other history that's gotten
in the way we've seen what's happened early this season
as well, and in general, I don't know if you
want to speak to job directly or even more generally philosophically,
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the ongoing debate for personnel managers, for general managers, for
coaches when it comes to the idea of you know,
balancing out talent and what you think if we get them,
what we could do with him, you know, get them
in a different environment and everything's going to be perfect.
(26:00):
And you balance that with but wait a minute, what
are we what are we setting ourselves up for? How
dangerous is of a situation?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Given his past? So how do you do that balancing
act when it comes to because you know, talent is
always going to get it, or not always, but most
of the time he is going to get another chance,
sometimes three four five chances.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, he's he's he's playing like an enigma right now
because there's it's it's really hard to figure out. Obviously
it's hurt right now, but I mean it's really hard
to figure out where the mindset is because when I
watch him play, I see a guy he's never been
shorter on his jump shots than what he's been early
after season, now playing with great frustration and now again
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he's not I wouldn't say he's playing selfish because there
was a situation a few games ago where he made
it pass. It was a turnover. You know, he had
some maybe some body language with that. But then he
comes right back down and he delivers two assists. So
it's not like he's hunting forced shots. You just don't
look like they're going in. And answer to your question
(27:06):
on the bigger picture, I've talked with Anthony before over
years about, you know, ideas on different players and things
like that when things that come up. I did not
bring up anything about this one to him or having
at all, and didn't see any of the it's not
like there's anybody there. I'm going to ask that question
up in Minnesota. My opinion of that is this, anybody
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playing in an environment with Anthony is going to automatically
go up energy wise, confidence wise, having fun wise exponentially
if they're there right. So, like Job, we know he
has that any he'd be my biggest question for the
tim wolves you've got. I wouldn't move nas Reed. I
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know that I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to
move some of these guys that you've got that are
inside of this program. I mean, and maybe you know
people obviously get paid to make those decisions and look
at the numbers and things like that, but you've got
a chemistry. I certainly wouldn't move Jade McDaniels. I mean,
there's there's no way I mean it would it would
take something stellar, which I don't think that is. This
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is just my opinion, and I hope this is not
being on behalf of anybody, but my opinion, I wouldn't
move any of that group to get somebody else in there,
whether it's Jaw or maybe other players that are like him. Now,
there's some other superstars you could get someday for that,
that's another story, sure, But there's a chemistry in there.
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Anthony loves playing with those guys, they love playing with him.
And one of the hardest things to get in the NBA.
And you know this, and your listeners know this. It
is to get synergy, it is to get chemistry. It
is to get people that really enjoy playing with each other.
And here's the problem. The best team in the West
right now is an obvious sign of a team that
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does that. Like, those guys really play well together, right,
Like they compliment each other so well. And so you're
not just playing against a talented Oklahoma City team. And
I'm sure they have their issues and things like that too,
but it looks like they get over them quick. The
thing with Oklahoma City, you're playing a team that is
tremendously together, and so if you're going to challenge to
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win it all, yeah, you gotta have talent, but you
better have some real synergy in chemistry. Now that doesn't
mean that the Timberwolves couldn't make a move for somebody,
but I'm not sure that I would be messing with
that core of that young group. And why would anybody,
Why would somebody not want to trade for somebody in
that core because they see it too. They see It's
crazy how many I didn't realize how many NBA personnel,
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assistant GM scouts people like that get there so early
for the games. And I knew scouts got early to
the college games. They mean, it's the same way in
the NBA. There's so many people there evaluating the games,
the teams, the players, the early warm ups. I mean
we're talking about the guys that come out first to
and a half hours before the game. You might have
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half a dozen to eight NBA teams personnel sit in
there watching note. So they're always evaluating everything. And I
just I love where the tim Worlds are going with this.
I really do.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It sounds like you're saying because one of the things
have come up, whether it's about Joab or any other
guy who's identified as a guy who has the ball
in his hands a lot. The question I would get
via text is, well, wait a minute, now, you got
you know, the ant's got to have the ball decent amount.
Randall's got to have the ball decent amount. So would
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there even be room for another guy who needs the
ball a lot? Even if he is he would add,
you know, another layer to the talent level. Would that
part of it concern you or do you have enough
faith in certainly Edward's ability to figure that thing out
where you don't think that'd be an issue.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
No, I look at it differently. Yeah, I don't look
at it now now. Selfishness is another store true that
people that want the ball, but they can also have
proven they can play without it. And that's why the
catch and shoot is such an incredibly valuable thing, because
not only you get to catch and shoot, which you
create the long clothes out and now you're keeping the
game going, you're driving the paint. I think the harder
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part for anybody in that situation is your bigs, and
that's where it's been an adjustment. Obviously over time, they're
still always working on it. When you have Rudy, you
have to keep making sure you're utilizing him. But at
the same time, there's enough space to get into the paint, right,
And I mean, look at Jokic the other night. Jokic
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just kept stepping outside more like obviously he runs the floor,
gets in the paint to deliver the ball, but he's
also stepping outside to shoot threes. Well, that's not what
Rudy's going to do, right, Rudy's not going to step
outside and pull you out like Jokic does and be
a threat. So like you're always when your fives are
not and au Julius is different when he's playing the
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five or nots, but when your fives are not shooters
in modern day MBA, the space is always up for
grabs and you have to keep looking for ways to
get that space to open up the paint. And it
was almost interesting last night watching Utah play the Lakers,
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But I didn't realize Lebron was back. He was so
open last time last night at times for threes or
for long close out drives and getting to the paint
because there was so much attention paid to Luca and
so much attention you know, when Reeves said the ball,
all of a sudden, there's Lebron sitting there open. Well,
there's a lot of space, right, there's a lot of space.
Ayton wasn't clogging the lane. He was in the y
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in the alley.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Good point, right.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I think the spacing thing is the bigger thing with
guys that got to have the ball and making sure
there's enough space to operate in in today's NBA, not
necessarily whose ball dominant?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Real quick before we wrap up, I'm sure you've seen
the comment. Steve Kerr's comments are getting a lot of
attention that he is theorizing that in the increased pace
of and maybe even a schedule where there's a little
bit more intensity early in the season is leading to
a more soft tissue injuries. Do you buy that? Do
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you think it's more complicated than that? What was your
what's your reaction to what Kerr head is?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well? First off, first off, Steve's timing is always unique.
I mean, it's it's you know why we're bringing that
up now, that's the stuff that gets done in the season.
You got an older team. You know he beats to
his own drum. There's no doubt he does. You know,
you're trying to make sure that people are understanding that
the product is good that I think the bigger problem
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is this Dan. I think the training is a bigger issue. Now.
I'm not in the NBA, but I follow it, I studied,
I got a lot of players in it. Anthony is
is one of the I wouldn't call him an outlier,
but when you train the way he does, and Julius's
workout people, Tyler Ralph was in Dallas, they were in town.
I saw them the other day. When you've got people
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that are training and wise, conditioning wise, strength wise, not
only individual trainer wise, but also getting enough game like
action where they're getting up and down the court, I
think those things are big. I'm not sure everybody's doing
that right. And what happens is camp is so short,
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all right, if anything, have a longer period for camp
to ramp up where And again, I'm not trying to
act like a doctor. And I stayed at the Lofton Hotel,
which was unbelievable, not a holiday and express, So I'm
not trying to get out of my lane here. But
I've been believing this for a while. I think the
offseason training coming into camp not ready coming into camp overweight,
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coming into camp and not getting enough playing of like
live full playing, not stopping playing games inside of that,
and then carrying that into the games. I think that
has got something to do with this too. Now, is
Steve right? Yeah, Steve's coached thousands of games and play
thousands of games of that NBA, and he's right. It's
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somebody that loves the game and a fan of the game.
I don't like his timing all the time of that
stuff because there's nothing you're gonna do about it now,
all right, there's nothing you can do about it. The
season is the season. But to me, I think I
think every team, I think the study someday, Okay, how
are guys training, what do they need to go through?
(35:23):
This contact, the soft tissue stuff? How much of this
is because we're not in the proper basketball shape when
this season starts. Now, that's my belief from following it
without any scientific you know, I'm not trying to speak
science without science, I don't have that. I'm not. I'm
giving you an opinion based on what I really try
to watch and see, talk to some others about, but
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really try to see in my own guys, and I
think it's big. I think that part of it is big,
and I think that plays into it. Now. I don't
know how you quantify it because I don't know if
there's a stat for any of that, but I do
think that's a part of it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You think they're they're over training or they're just not training.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Under training for basketball. I think people are training. I
think they're in the gym. I think they're getting the
workouts that they're lifting, but I don't I don't see
the endurance gotcha training right and the ramp up. I've
said this on your show before, but Dwayne Wade was
unbelievable because he learned that you had to have a
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really good balance of working with a trainer but also
with a basketball coach and getting true basketball training. Now,
there's some overuse, you know, with younger people. I I
totally believe that, But when you're talking about NBA people,
I'm not sure they're set for the duration uh and
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the durability that's got to have to go into these games.
And if anything, I was commissioner for a day, I'd
fight whoever who need to fight to make sure that
the camp wrap up gets a little bit more intensified,
and there's a little more time for these guys to
get ready to play the games, even a few more
exhibition games or relax some of the rules. But you're
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the first one that's asked my opinion, so I'll have
to leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
That works for me. We're against the clock and you
probably got things to do. Hell, you got probably got
another game to study for in the basis of your
schedule these days.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
But I do yeah that I'm down live at six o'clock,
so I'll be awesome answer some question.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
We appreciate you. We'll be in touch soon. Thanks Tom, as.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Always anytime you're well.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Much appreciated. Tom Crean man, busy guy, college pro, not
just the Walls now doing the Milwaukee Bucks. It's good
to be Crean. And nobody enjoys it, obviously and lives
that the game of basketball quite the way he does.
That's for sure. A guy who lived the game of
football is going to join us. At the top of
the hour, Mace in your face. We got one more
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Make it stop, Please please make it stop. But it's
not going to stop. Visit. Have you seen the latest
comments from JJ McCarthy. I've skimmed him. I just didn't
(38:39):
even know where to begin. The premise seems to be
that he's learning a different style than what he grew
up with, which might well be true. It's very new
coming in here. I was taught how to play quarterback
in a very different way, and that's expected going into
the league, going into any new team, any new system.
(39:00):
But at the end of the day, it was really
just the injuries that I felt like took away all
those reps to make those a habit and make them concrete.
So he's following up with the settling concrete imagery, which
we got from the head coach yesterday. Then there's this
you know you're rewiring neurological pathways, and that's not something
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that's that's not something that happens overnight. We what are
we doing? None of this stuff, Oh my God helps
his cause at all. Just go play, just get better,
just keep working it, keep making mistakes but trying to
learn from them. Remarkable, absolutely remarkable. The bratch on Brian
Camfan text line, as always is open at six four
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six eighty six. Let me reboot it because it logs
us out sometimes, so I think there's a lot of
stuff that week, the first text new text to come in.
You can blame Hulcombe for that. I yeah, maybe you can.
I don't know Holcombe again. His his name is Greg Holcombe,
who has apparently was the former quarterback whisperer for a
(40:07):
JJ McCarthy. He's described as the private position coach for Holcombe,
the private position coach. I think he's based in Chicago,
if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure. I'm sure Mace
might have an opinion on private position coaches, and I'm
(40:28):
sure they sometimes they help the cause. Sometimes I wonder
if they indeed heard it. I'm not exactly sure. Let
me read that one again.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Where did it go? Where's Ben Gesling? That's why I
saw it from Ben Gessling X got to be here
somewhere there it is you're rewiring neurological.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Pathways, and that's not something that happens overnight. So you
just understanding giving myself that grace, that patience. Might not
have it today, but it's something I'm gonna continue to
strive after, day after day, rep after ref ref rep,
I should say, and get to the place where well
I want me to be. I don't remember a word
about neurological pathways when Dante Culpepper came aboard. Actually I
(41:18):
don't even hear it. I don't even remember when Christian
Ponder did. But maybe my memory is not very good.
I'm not sure it's it's it's the effort. I think
there's just a lot of ways where you can, even
if you think you're you're doing your quarterback a favor,
you actually, in a public sense, work against him. I
(41:41):
was talking to somebody about this the other day, who
shall remain nameless, regarding we've we've we've we've discussed it before,
all the stuff we've heard about leadership, toughness. You know
that all sounds good, But first what you got to
do before you can sort of burnish your image in
(42:02):
that sense is you just got to play more often
and you just got to play better, and then that
stuff's gonna come. You'll have. But it's almost like we're
built it's in reverse. The whole problem here, and this
is largely because he was hurt as long as he
was all last season and much of this season is
it's like we're trying to build the myth first, the
(42:23):
mythology around him before he's done anything that could be
even considered borderline mythological. That's the part that makes no
sense to me. Let it breathe before we try to
assign all these qualities and anybody would want to play
for him, and he's got this and he's got that.
Just just complete the next five throws in a row.
(42:44):
That's all. That's all you need. I would say, are you.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Familiar with the term neuroplasticity. It's the learning to rewrite
your neural pathways as a process called neuroplasticity. Which is
it a procedure, No, it's.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Not, Oh, or is it just it's it's it's it's
a series of it's habits that you chant you somehow.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
It's literally forming new neural connections, and strengthening or weakening
is existing ones through new experiences or constant or consistent practice.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Basically, you just have to practice it. I guess you do.
Tom from Savage. Neurological pathways are not easily correctible, but
you seem to be saying the same thing, so that
may well indeed be true. What does one have to
(43:36):
do one? What does one have to do with the
other day? And hasn't science advanced since then? Technology? Any
opportunity to bash JJ? That's Dave from Fargo. All I
can do, Dave from Fargo, is respond to what's put
in front of me. And you can believe this or
not believe this. There are a million football people out
there who are rolling their eyes at some of this stuff.
(43:59):
They just are. So if it hurts your feelings, I'm
sorry it hurts your feelings. It's not about bashing anybody.
I got up today not knowing what was going to
be said by the head coach and what was going
to be said by the player. I have no control
over that, do I. I don't think neither is Chris Carter.
If he goes to a game and he didn't play
(44:20):
very well, he's supposed to ignore the fact that he
wasn't very good for fifty nine minutes because he used
to be a Viking. What are you talking about here.
I've got too many people who watch the game seriously
enough that they don't want sugar coating. They actually prefer
that even young players get challenged a little bit. Doesn't
mean you give up on him, I mean you cut him.
(44:40):
But that's really what we're dealing with right now. Great
opportunity to this Sunday to take care of business against
your club and completely change the narrative. As they like
to say in the business, it's all takes is one
game on the road, and you got all your built
in excuses because you've got an injury list is basically
as long as you're right, left hand and right and left.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Foot, as long as uh Dante Culpepper's fingers yesterday.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
That's true too, that's as long as the Vikings one in.
Let's do this top of the hour pause. We'll get
Mason here, we'll talk some college football. I'll get his
feeling on the whole JJ McCarthy phenomenon here and how
he tended to try to deal with quarterbacks who were
struggling a little bit what his approach was. Was he
tough love guy, sort of like Ben Johnson is in
Chicago or was he more nurturing, soft guy like Koc
(45:28):
continues apparently to try to be Mace if you got
questions for him. Rat Shawn Brian Cafe in text line
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