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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Just in case you missed it, it's the top five
sports taggers of the day. Now it's time for Dan
Barrero's Top five and five, brought to you by Gutter
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
The male side of the Battle for Atlantis the Holiday
Tournament in the Bahamas men's basketball. I just saw a
promo on ESPN, and I don't know who was doing
the promo, But what was the were you watching? What
was the animal beside him? He was at like a pool?
Was that a sea otter? Was that a seal? What

(00:38):
was that animal that was right next to him? If
anybody else was you know, watching in the background while
you're listening to us, let me know, it's kind of
a very curious scene. All right, Top five and five
Better late than never. We will have a lovel at
the bottom of the hour. If you have a lot
on your plate, we can you know, extend it. That's

(01:01):
okay too, So I'm leaving leaving it up to you.
All Right, we'll start here.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Time now for the obligatory Kevin Faulness, Minnesota Wild.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Mentioned well off today, right, We're off today? Yeah, we
all we do is shut people out though, Oh that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Fuck for center rights for shiite, shipely walks his way in.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right circus shot this high and wide.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
The final second tier of ticket count is open.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Tries to jar went out the center and that does it.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
The Minnesota Wild pick up their NHL leading fifth shutout
win of the year. Yes for Volstead now with his
fourth career whitewashing three of them this season as the
Wild beat the Jets for the first time in the
last ten tries in the all time season series. They
shut out the Winnipeg Jets here account of life center
three nothing of fine.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
How about that you go on the road, you beat
a divisional opponent, a team who's had your number for
a while. Now. My sources also telling me that yes,
Per Volstad is joining Wild weekly tonight. Oh that's you.
So that's a big massive, it's a big get the
Wild back in action by the way, his participate in
enough games to qualify for you know, goals again like

(02:05):
goaltending status, and then in the in the individual stats
at the position. I think, so, okay, I don't know's
there at the top. It's got to be yeah, for sure. Uh,
the wild back in actions, the hated Blackhawks in Chicago
ce drop tomorrow night. Ye, all right, fair enough? What's
not the loves wild head rolling. There isn't anything to

(02:27):
not enjoy at this point. It We've all been around
this game long enough to know that it's going to
be about Now, is it realistic to maintain this pace? No,
but it's all about teams have hot streaks, they have
cold streaks. This one was dramatically needed by this franchise
for all the obvious reasons, and so that's why I

(02:50):
will not minimize its significance at all. But it's also,
you know, late November, and so the issue is going
to be how long can you ride this high? How
much can you sustain things? How consistent can you be?
I know for you, the Vaalstet story is big, but
it might not be as big as the year off story,

(03:10):
the year off emergence. Do we have our new number
one center?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Maybe you're asking, we didn't. How long have we been
clamoring for one? Yeah? And now we got it. Turns
out we got right in front of our negative too.
Because I, like Marco ROSSI has a lot You are
you starting to say too much talent on this club.
How are we gonna play? Oh my god, you've gone
from like being mister negative to now we're on the
way to winning the cup. Yeah, they'll they'll lose one
game and they'll come back. Don't worry. That's true, your Timberwall,
speaking of mister negative man. So the last two times

(03:37):
they played the Sacramento Kings, it was nothing. It was
a one twenty four one ten win. Before that one
forty four to one seventeen. That was November ninth. All
of a sudden, they're struggling. They lose in sack Town.
I'm assuming that's what they call it. Uh in overtime
one seventeen, one twelve, they had, they seem to have
this game under complete control, and uh, just a series

(04:03):
of misplays down the stretch, some sloppy turnovers again and
coming on the heels of the Phoenix meltdown which was
what up was an eight with fifty seconds to go
or nine whatever it was. We didn't even get that
game to ot, which is fairly fairly sad. You know,

(04:23):
we're Here's why I think it means more or should
be more concerning this year unlike the last, you know,
last year, certainly in the year we got Rudy, you
could use the excuse the first quarter of the season
that look got new people, big dramatic changes to personnel,
and that's going to take some time to figure out.
We didn't have that kind of turnover this year. We

(04:44):
didn't have any traumatic trade where people have to get
used to their roles. We got basically the same team.
Nah gone, but basically the same team. And that's to
me why there's less of an excuse for these ups
and downs. Now that's you could say the first time
in the case of Sacramento that they have lost to
a losing team. They've been better about their maturity in

(05:05):
that regard, but nevertheless, a bad look when they just
look kind of rudderlessy. You don't ever want to be
the team that looks like they're coming unglued, and they
have in both of those games, and the Phoenix game,
of course against a much better Phoenix team that was
another team with a winning record. So the good news
is if we needed a game to get everybody's attention,

(05:26):
we have it. I think our next night a night
out is at Oklahoma City, is it not? It is?
It'll be on the Timbrelves channel, the iHeartRadio app. They
do have the injury of Port Freeman available with a
face mask. It's a car ski out, that's sure. I
thought somebody else. I thought there was another. Well, I
can't remember if it was a Vikings injury. I was
thinking about. All right, you want to end it here

(05:47):
and then do you have anything else you want to
get to because we can, we can. We still got
another segment for a long we could extend it. Let's
do it three more. You got plenty, that's good. Well,
let's get a break in. Try to stay somewhat on schedule.
Let me know if the snonamia headed your way. I've
got a text about an hour ago saying it was
just hitting Saint Cloud. So is that the snow line
or is it? Is it getting ever closer. We'll get

(06:08):
in hopefully answers to those questions, and then prepare for
level as well. Stay tuned, man, just in.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Case you missed it. It's the top five spource saggers
of the day. Now it's time for Dan Barrero's Top
five at five, brought to you by Gutter Helmet of Minnesota.
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Speaker 2 (06:29):
Com a little bonus top five at five material as
we prepare for a visit with Level. At the bottom
of the hour, you said you had three more items
to include.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I do.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Please tell me you weren't forced to watch Monday Night
football last night. I had. It was bad, Yeah, it wasn't.
Who played? I know you remember now Carolina? Yeah, went
and Sam and I that's it. I thought for a minute,
especially given three interceptions by Niners guy in the first half,

(07:01):
that you know, there was a chance Carolina could steal
the game. But it ended up being, like you say,
kind of a kind of a snoozer in the second
half because it didn't appear that Carolina ever really joined
the battle. Well, that was the thing the defense did. Yeah,
and when you throw three interceptions, you're gifting them, You're
letting them back into the game. But Bryce Young, Yeah,
a couple of good throws, but for the most part,
was not The entire Carolina offense wasn't in it. I

(07:23):
was rooting very hard for Carolina as someone who hated Patch,
I can't stand bad. Uh, Well, they beat us in
the playoffs every year. Oh yeah, yeah, they're they're they're
a well run organization. Yeah, well a lot for you.
It would have been very good. Do you guys play
them the rest of the year regular season that Bears
have the Niners on the schedule. I don't believe we do.

(07:44):
I know that, And you know, given the the pretty interceptions,
he actually I think was lucky he didn't have five
picks for the first time. And they mentioned on the
broadcast he's fearless, and I guess that's good in a way,
but then there's times where if you think think maybe
they'd like him to be a little less reckless, McCaffrey
still looks pretty awfully, awfully good man. What a versatile

(08:06):
ballplayer he is. The other NFL note that I had,
it's the battle of the toe injuries between Bengals and Ravens,
because now Lamar has a toe injury. Apparently he said quote,
I just got fell on, but I'm good though. The
toe's good. And John harbust Say looked very good in
Tuesday's practice. So you've got Joe Burrow coming off of

(08:27):
a toe injury, which I still don't He came out
and his presser and said, well, I'm a football player.
If I'm healthy, I want to play. Can't ask me
to not be a competitor. I get all that, and
that's one of a million reasons that I'm not out there. Wow.
But from a franchise, yes, I get what you're saying.
Why would you risk what's their record? Three and seven,
three and eight, three and eight? Yeah, that's yeah, that's

(08:51):
quite a hill to climb. And don't they have aren't
they missing? Who's their best receiver? Who's the guy Jamar Chanks?
Isn't he out?

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Well?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
He got suspend it, spend it, that's what yees. So yeah,
I mean, look, I'm a guy who rips load management,
and so there's a part of me that says, well,
people pay money for these games and they're not discounted
without Joe Burrow being in the game. And so there's
a part of me that says, well, if you're healthy enough,
at some point, you got to go out and play.
The interesting thing is Burrow's future, because there are people

(09:19):
who think maybe the Bengals might make a move on him.
And let's face it, everything quarterback related is in play
again for the Vikings, everything, And I know that's not
how we wanted it. The idea was you finally are
gonna have a franchise guy, You're gonna be able to
do it the Green Bay Way where there's no speculation
on that. But right now there has to be all

(09:39):
options on the table for the Vikings moving forward. And
I'm not saying they could get Burrow what the price
would be, and he's obviously very expensive, but at some point,
I'm sure it's the old what we pay a play,
you kind of have to play. This might not be
the best circumstance, however, Yeah, but you could just look
ahead to twice explain with Yeah, another classic case of

(10:01):
didn't need him. The Boston Red Sox are moving heaven
and Earth saw that not really to acquire Sonny Gray. Yeah,
in a trade, right, yes, So is it done yet
or is it just heavily rumored. I believe it's done.
Saint Louis receives left handed prospect Brandon Clark and right
hander Richard Fitts. That's funny. Well, I don't think Sonny.

(10:22):
I don't think he had a great season. I thought
we talked about him during the season, not to look
up his numbers. I don't I think I don't think
he had a great year. But we've never you know,
we never really replaced him the depth that he afforded
us back in the day where we felt like we
might actually be trying to go big time, just a
little bit, not big time in an La Dodgers way,

(10:42):
but nevertheless big time for us. And it's fairly clear
that that ship has has sailed. By the way a
lot of snow reports that I asked for him. Snowing
real bad in Alexandria freeway is bad, Joe and Aiken writes,
definitely a Snownami here Marshall strong in snow slash Rain.

(11:04):
I'm trying to drive to Iowa after the show, so
I'm hoping I can go. Well, oh, I don't know. Yeah,
that's that's an interesting direction. I have no idea. I
think it's once you're fair about. I just got to
get there. Well, I will say, I don't remember how
many Christmases ago we were driving rather than flying to

(11:27):
Chicago and snow was in the area. So the bit
was what are we gonna do? And my sister said, look,
I think you can get behind it if you go
through you know, like through Iowa for a while and circle,
and sadly I believed her it was a disaster. It
was an In fact, it was so bad where we

(11:49):
ended up with we literally had to get off the
road because the road was closed and spend the night
and we were lucky to get a hotel room. It
was the last hotel room in this particular place. I
don't remember what city, what town it was in, and yes,
I probably Mason City. The kicker might have been, Yeah,
the kicker was that they didn't we had our dog

(12:11):
with us. We had Wriggly and would have been Wriggly. No,
it might have been rainy, it might have been the
previous dog. Regardless, we had to sea what are we
gonna do? Leave the dog in the car. So we
had to sneak the dog in one of the back
entrances because we had nowhere else to go. So beware
of the back door play where. Oh yeah, I was
gonna get behind it and everything's gonna be fine. Maybe
it'll be true, but just do your due diligence on that.

(12:34):
I'm just hoping I can get out of town before
it makes it. So this is gonna be tonight, six thirty.
I see, Okay, Yeah, how far of a drive is
it supposed to be? Well? Three and change Okay, so
let's just get on thirty five and keep going. Basically,
I guess all you could do. All right, let's do
this pause. That's it. Yep, that's it. Come back and
chat with Levell bonus time because we're off on Friday.

(12:55):
I think we got football. I think, in fact, I
think it's uh black Friday. Foot NFL Bears at Philadelphia
is going to be on the fan. There may be
some best of in there as well. Let's catch up
with our old buddy Lavelle e Neil the Third, he's
next the fan. Welcome some great shows the Mystic Lake

(13:20):
Campa Theater. Guns and Roses will be there August eighth,
Leonard Skinner and Foreigner August sixteenth, Motley Crue August twenty first.
Get complete details all of our upcoming shows on calendar
pagecafe dot com keyword calendar. Well, it sounds like the
Snownami is coming. We'll see what we end up with.
I think the current forecast for the Metro is three

(13:42):
to six inches of snow. That would be Snonami worthy.
The bad news is we're not going to probably be
able to name it until early next week. But that
might dovetail nicely. In other words, if the tsunami is legit,
if the sonnami is legit, and Brozemer is legit on Sunday,

(14:04):
then we know what we're naming the first no Nomi
of the year. Correct, I mean I had another naming suggestion,
JJ relating potentially. Yeah, there's no question that's that's the
leader in the clubhouse right now. The X factor is,
you know, now Brozmer's just ordinary or terrible and they
get killed, then there would be no need to put
Brozemer back in the mix.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I was just going to do snow Noamie Parsons. What
I was going to suggest is that just overwhelmed Minnesota. Yeah,
you love that, don't you. Why do you like that?
I don't know. Lavelle E. Neil the Third usually joins
us on Friday, but we are preempted the day after Thanksgiving,
the day we usually are out for football. In fact,
I think right here on the fan we're going to
have Lovel's Bears taking out the Philadelphia Eagles in Philly.

(14:48):
That's the Black Friday game that starts Central Time around
two I'm not mistaken. So that would enter into a
bumper to bumper territory as well, Lavell enough to adjust
his schedule to join us today. I just didn't feel
right on a holiday weekend and not have you on, man,
You're you're too important to the show. You're too much

(15:08):
of a tradition the show for a Thanksgiving week for
not having you on at all. So there you have it,
and we're glad you were able to work it out.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Now.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
It sounds like you before when it was just rain,
got caught up in a lot of bad traffic. It
took me forever to get here today, and again this
is all before the snow hits. So where were you
coming and going to? What was your disaster?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, it took me fifty five minutes to get from
down town Minneapolis to or oh Man. Yeah, it was
bumper a bump for the entire way, and then twice
we had to clear out for squad cars on the
way through whatever emergency they were trying to cover. And
then Highway fifty two was kind of fully kind of
after we got past played all, it opened up a
little bit. So, but yeah, I was wondering about the

(15:54):
reason are people out because they're worried about the snow
tomorrow and they're trying to get things done earth or
is this becoming this Tuesday becoming a new Wednesday before Thanksgiving? Yeah,
and so now people are just going to like stay
home on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
It's not going to work.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Actually, my sister doesn't have school, so she doesn't have
to work.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
So I wonder if they're treating Tuesday like Wednesday now
and just gonna get everything done on Tuesday and just
pack it in on Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I think that's the trend. I don't know if we
can prove it, but I think there's probably something to
what you say. Let's get this out of the way early.
This is from is it six or five to one?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes? What was Lovel's analysis of the Loons playoff game
last night? How did they get more scoring? Is Dane
Saint Clair coming back? Spill the garbonzo beans? Lovel?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Well, of Fortunately I didn't. I don't have an Apple TV
pack decided it was and I was un anyone to
watch the game. I'm trying to. I know, I got
everything else I don't have that. I'm glad that. I'm
glad it. Uh MLS is taking it off of paywall
next year, So if you have regular Apple TV, which
I have. Uh, you don't have to pay the extra

(17:04):
for the MLS package. So I think that's I think
that's a spart movement in their park. They need to
get more eyeballs on the sport, so they're trying to grow.
They just they just announced a huge initiative that today,
uh in cohoots with MLS and the and the women's
professional soccer leagues in order to identify talent and make

(17:24):
it as cheap as possible for kids to start playing
the game in order to grow the game. So that's
a courage you. So they got to get eyes on
the they gotta get eyes on the on the product here.
But based on what I was able to keep up
with online during the game, it's just uh the wild
I believe.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
The Loons out shot San Diego. I think San Diego
scored one goal on their only shot on goal. Uh
yesterday yesterday or Monday? Yeah, Monday was just say and
and so that's disciplined. They had a couple of chances,
looked like they had a couple of their patent set
pieces that didn't pan out. I don't know what Dane
Saint Claire's future is he may be good enough to

(18:05):
go to Europe. At this point, he may want to
take his game to the next level. You know, he
saw his teammate Tony o'cellany. Uh uh make the trip
over to Europe in the middle of the season. Uh,
he might he might be headed there too. I mean
you can't if you're the Looms, you know you're happy
for the guy to realize his dream, but uh, it
may be time. I mean, Dane is now, he's in

(18:28):
that jet stream to be Canada's number one goalie goalkeeper
and so he's got to stay at sharpa be a
challenge as much as possible. So I wouldn't be surprised
if he moves with if he moves on, I don't
know what contract situation is, but he's definitely at that
point now where you know, I wouldn't Besides, if someone,
a team in europeives him to offer.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
What is the is the financial viability of the franchise,
like really solid? Now, I mean are they in great shape,
good shape, mediocre shape?

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Well, now you're you know you're going to strike a
nerve with the fan base. The Loons are one of
the cheaper teams in the in the m LS salaries
and payroll, they're down towards the bottom. Man, I think
they're bottom five, maybe worse than that Lakes for sure,
but their their payroll expenditure is not on the par
with some of these other teams. They definitely cannot handle

(19:17):
a messy contract. Uh, or even like with with Toronto
spending on players, or Atlanta is bringing Chelsea Martinez back
or some of the other teams l A f C
bringing in you know players, Uh, your boy, uh, Blake
Brett Moore's Uh, but Buddy Son is playing in l A.

(19:39):
Now he's making a pretty chunk of change. Was that
Brett my six millionaire?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
It was quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, he's making about six.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Vancouver just signed Mueller from Germany. Uh, he's making a
pretty penny. The loves of not fishing that deep end
of the ocean for a super duper superstar impact, super
boring guy. I think it's time to move the program
in that direction. So hopefully they don't, you know, twin

(20:08):
to five their payroll much longer and invest in better players.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Now I'm wondering it's interesting because other people are mentioning
they believe you could have watched the game last night.
Tell Lovell. I have regular Apple TV, and all I
had to do was share my location with Apple and
last night's game was made available.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I wasn't aware of that. When I saw Apple TV,
I was at, oh, I'm screwed here. I was hoping
it was on FS one, but it was not. But
when I saw Apple TV, I just figured it was
on the paywall. So there were other things to watch.
Last day, I watched the end of the dug On
Wolves game in which Anthony Edwards and Julius ran all
of a sudden, instead of wearing uniforms number five and thirty,

(20:51):
they started wearing number nine and throwing picks and turned
the ball over and blowing a ten point lead with
three minutes left to go. That's twice. Now, those are
two bad losses. They are, so what was going on
with them?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, it's not. It's the ability just sort of the
attention to detail and handling the ball. And it goes
back to you know, for much of the game. Many
of these games, you know, Conley has some good moments
and but then there's a lot of times where he's
not the main guy. He's not even on the floor
and they get by well. But I do think there
are times where in crisis situations where the other team's

(21:28):
upping the defense a little bit, it'd be helpful to
have a pure, you know, a pure, purer point guard
to help, you know, maybe alleviate some of the pressure.
I don't know where the answer is on that.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
I do know this, How would you feel ahead, how
would you fool about instead of a pure point guard
that they would have a John Paxson type to play
off of Edwards?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Well, they could. They always could use a great I mean,
a dead ass shooter. There's no question about that dead
eye shooter. I guess it's a better term. I mix
the two too often. Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem
with it. I still wonder whether they expect too much
of Anthony because if you'll see, if you'll notice some

(22:10):
of his you know, he was over forty again last night,
but some of his shots when things go bad, his
shots selection is has been sketchy, right, And sometimes he
makes those shots anyway, And that's how I think, almost
a curse, because then they're viewed as decent shots because
he's taking them. And I think there's sometimes you know,

(22:30):
he just does they don't get good enough shots with
him for him at the end of games. Heine had
a lot about their pressure numbers, which it's astonishing. We're
not that good last year and yet they made it
to the final four. In terms of close games, I
think the metrics are better this year, but the last
two games have been awful down the stretch, dumb turnovers,

(22:52):
in a panic, all the sorts of things that they
should well be passed, you know. I mean, teams win
and lose games, but they should be pass losing that way.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, that's a troubling idea of suggestion that there's a
little bit of a regression in that regard with a
team that should still be hungry about doing more and
just getting to the final four. So and and that's
when it's got to govern himself a little bit instead
of putting on that hero cape and all of a sudden,
Suddens get things get tied, all of a sudden, He's
gotta pull some magical thing out. We're in to win

(23:23):
this game. And one of the best move maybe maybe to
just run the offense. You can get yous ran On
in a good scoring spot, or get Dante Nintendo wide
open for give him an open, open, looky run into
the basket. So he's got to just be a little
more uh which word cerebral, cerebral those situations.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
No question about it. I do know this. Brett Blake
Moore is predicting that the final regular season record for
your Chicago Bears will be eight and nine. Your thoughts, well,
you know, I.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Heard that crap when I was in traffic, and well,
I think his team off to Cleveland, so anything is
possible the rest of the season here, I predict I
predicted the Bears win one of the two games against
the Packers, they beat Cleveland, and then if they can
find one more win the rest of the way, that's
eleven wins and I might win the division. That just

(24:17):
might win a division because if you look at the
remain schedules for Detroit and for green Bay three to
three and out of the record, ain' il of the
rem possibility here. So if the Bears get three more wins,
they could be Kings of the North. And I think
Brett has to realize the possibility that the Bears, who
have not had their healthy they have not been at
full health all year, are starting to get close to

(24:38):
that you're gonna see Jalen Johnson and Kyli Gordon in
the starting lineup on Friday against Philadelphia, with TJ. Edwards
not far behind. They're getting to the point here where
they may finally get all the bodies back on the
field at once, and you'll see the best version of
the Bears.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Any rejoinder or response to that la Four out of
the last five games, let's see Saints not good. Ravens
they love, then they barely beat Joe Flacco, they barely
beat the Giants, barely beat nine, and then they barely
beat a Mason Rudolph led Steelers. So it's not exactly
a good.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Bad teams.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, but I believe in Jordan Love and I don't
believe in Cale Williams. So there, he's getting better. He's
still not perfect.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
You believe in Jordan Love at your own risk, my friend.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well we'll find out. I'll go down at the ship.
Are people getting in this town lovel too excited about
the prospect of a Max Brosemer start? What do you think, guy?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Wasn't it inevitable? I mean, when Broseber played well in
pre season, the Bros were chance started. I remember being
at the stadium and listen to people talk about this thing.
So you know, I was there trying to defend Sam Hall,
who coughed up a long and ended up getting traded
at Philadelphia. Yeah, and that allowed Brosebord to kind of
end up on the roster. So as soon as I

(26:00):
was I was that, I was at TCO yesterday. I
sat there when Kose said we put him on, and
so he started he started building up to the end,
and all of a sudden you get to the point
in the middle of what he's saying. You'm like, he's
about to say concussion protocol, and he goes, yes, concussion protocol,
and all of a sudden, I saw Max Brozman's face going, oh, no,

(26:21):
fans are going to be eating this one up all week.
So because I don't know if if there any chance
JJ can get out of protocol by by Sunday, historically
that's kind of tough to do and what a young,
younger guy want to be careful. So I think you
have to lean expect the eighty twenty percent chance, eighty

(26:42):
to twenty percent chance that Broze was going to be
the guy in saurday at Seattle, which is a tall
order for a first ever NFL start when you're an
undrafted free agent quarterback.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, I think the other reason it's at minimum eighty
twenty is that he's not an established player who you
you can throw in without practice. So there's going to
be every reason to believe that. Even if he gets
declared fine as soon as Thursday or Friday, I think
it's going to be easy to say, well, he hasn't

(27:15):
really practiced all week. He's already said that once before
when he was coming off the knee injury. So I
think all of that makes it easy. I don't think
they're inventing this concussion protocol thing. I think they're at
the mercy of what he told them, right. I mean,
he said he's got you know he got foggy? Did he?
I don't have any idea, but once a player in
this day and age goes down that road, you don't

(27:36):
have any choice. Now they might not mind it again
that he's going to sit, because right now he is
not presentable in my view as an NFL quarterback.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
But the.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Idea that they're inventing the injury, I don't buy. Are
they nurturing it because it serves a purpose that wouldn't
quite frankly shock me either.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, here's the thing, though, Usually there's a cognitive baseline
that is taken when you are one hundred percent healthy
that they use against you when you start having symptoms.
So if something's off kilter, that's going to guide their
decision making here. So I know, I don't think this
is a I don't think this is a there's a
conspiracy here, although people started doubting speculating that immediately upon

(28:23):
the tweets being sid out from TCL, once we learned
that he was in protocol. So I don't think that's
the case. And the other thing too day about this
is that based on the practice schedule, today was going
to be a light day, Wednesday's going to be the
busiest day of the week, Thursday's Thanksgiving, and Friday is
gonna be a light day of practice. So I don't think,
to be to your point that they would if he

(28:45):
was able to get cleared Friday, then he has just
a light day of practice on Friday before going out
to Seattle. I don't think they want to try to
push that too much in that situation.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I think you're probably right about that. The you know,
to me. What's interesting is that there are nationally folks
who believe that McCarthy has been bad enough that his future,
his viability as coming back as the sort of automatic
number one guy, is already in question. And you know,

(29:19):
we were talking to Kevin Seaffert earlier. The unknown question,
the unanswerable question, is how things might have been different
if Daniel Jones had accepted their offer. They've got to
remind folks the Vikings made Daniel Jones a viable offer
to stay. In fact, I think he ended up taking
one million dollars less a year to go to Indianapolis.

(29:43):
Clearly he felt, no matter what they said, that he'd
have a better chance to win the job in Indy,
and he was right because McCarthy had kind of been
anointed the guy, and the guy who was competing against
an Indy had already been there two years. This is
his third year, so it's easier for them to say
we're going to create competition. But the obvious question moving
forward is if you're going to bring McCarthy back, as

(30:06):
we expect to be a fat to at least to
perhaps be the quarterback next year, are you obligated to
bring someone in Allah a Daniel Jones, if possible that
what that player represents, the kind of player that Jones
quarterback that he represents, to give yourself another option, can
the team afford to just say we're you know, now,

(30:29):
we're seeing enough promise. We're anointing him for the second
consecutive year. He's going to be our starter, and we're
going to bring in a backup who can help if
we have injury issues, but we are not going to
have that individual compete for the job. What do you think?

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I think that you're suggesting that Carson Wentz comes back
next year. Possibly. I agree. I think you have to
give the gay kid competition, regardless of what the situation is.
Is it because he hasn't thrown a lot of passes,
and you know a player like Browser's twenty five and

(31:05):
has throwing an attempt at well twice the many passes
as JJ did in college is because of that? Is
because of something else. I just think that they've got
to bring him more competition next year. Broseburg could be
buy apart that mix two and be honest with you,
Dan going forward, you know, unbeknownst to how severe the
concussion is, I would start both JJ and Brosemer at

(31:25):
times during the rest of the season, I look at
both of them. You know, you got a guy you
like in Brosburg. Maybe he could play, you know, maybe
if he's in the right situation, he can he can
show out. And with this seasons being over all, right,
let's be honest here, this team's not going to the postseason,
you could use the last five or six games to
look at each each one of these guys and start

(31:47):
putting up some data points that can guide you through
the off season in terms of what vetter you bring
in and how you approach the quarterback position, because they
definitely goofed us out during the offseason, messing messing with
a fourteen win team and not bringing back either one
of the veteran quarterbacks or that obviously, I think both
Darnold and Jones, because they're in the building, they knew

(32:09):
how they felt about JJ and figured they had no chance.
I think they had to do it over again, they
would probably say, look, you're gonna be the preferred candidate.
We're gonna look at the kids, but we'll ring regulars
preferred candidate. Maybe Daniel Jones stays under that type of designation,
but I do believe that you've got to We've got
to start looking at the back of quarterbacks across the

(32:31):
league to see what veterans are gonna possibly be available
as a free agent to come in and bring some
experience to know this quarterback room. I mean, you know
the Bears have Case Keenham, who's happily sitting there as
a third string quarterback just to lend his his expertise
to both Cale Williams and Tyson Baging while probably learning

(32:51):
Ben Johnson's system, so he could probably one day be
a head coach. I wouldn't be surprised. You gotta find
a guy who can be part of that as well
as possibly be ready to start if either one of
the kids are ready next year.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Given the recent recovery of the local hockey team, are
you gonna be forced to write your second Maybe it's
time to adjust our expectations of the Minnesota Wild. Are
you gonna have to change it back in the other direction?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Now?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
What do you think that's the great thing Dan about
taking a stand on something, because if you are wrong,
then you get to write the apology column. That means
you get two columns off the one.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Idea very true, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
So yeah, uh, that may be that may be on
the docket here once we get into January, and if
this thing really looks real. But right now, you know,
Zic Gorella getting healthy has been a factor. You're off
getting minutes on the on the quality line, not being
bared on the fourth line. We could see his talent
and the Great Wall of Saint Paul is really a thing. Yes,

(33:56):
Per Volstadt looks like he is the real deal. And
if you have two goalies that you are comfortable throwing
out there, that's a big advantage to get you through
the trials, ups and downs of a regular season man.
So if they can can avoid they can avoid any
further injuries and these young guys could continue to take
steps for it the wild or something out up to

(34:19):
going a big run here. It did not look good
the first month of the season. Uh, And and so
I felt I had every reason to write that come about,
we may have to adjust our expectations downward. But this
looks like they're showing signs of being in a legitimate turnaround,
and it looks like something they can't sustain, and it

(34:39):
starts with having two strong goalies instead of one. So
I just let's see where this write takes them. Let's
see how they get through the holiday season here and
how they get chugging in January, and we'll we'll assess them. Then.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
If the University of Minnesota knocks off Wisconsin on Saturday
at the original bank, will you write early next week
it's time for another PJ flag contract extension?

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Absolutely not, absolutely not. The man has his time is unbelievable.
Whenever there's like a decent job available, his name is somehow,
somehow then gets tossed out there and here comes an extension.
And I think Mark Coyle like he was like boasting
about this, like it was a good thing, Like he
is like extended PJ like at least once every eighteen
months or something like that. I think I heard him

(35:29):
say that, like, really, is that something really proud of?
You know? You know, you see how you see la
Jack came up a couple of years ago. It gets extended,
God extended. Other times, I'm I'm not on it. I
don't know if there could be Wisconsin, although I'm still
absolutely flabbergasted, dismayed, and just infuriated that Illinois could not

(35:50):
be Wisconsin. Last week. Yeah, I thought that was a layoff.
I thought at worst that they would fail to cover.
But still, when I'm sitting looking at Wisconsin, I'm looking
at their goofy offense, I'm like, how the hell they
have a success against Illinois? That was just really disappointing
to me. So and I think the Gophers have a
chance to beat Wisconsin. I still don't think highly of them.

(36:13):
And you know, but you never know when you have
another young quarterback in Drake Lindsay uh learning his way.
It's good to see Darius Taylor's back on the field.
The defense has got to stand tall. I think Smith
is kind of to recavoc against that that they had
the badges offensive line. I don't know what the spread is, Blake,
do you know what the spread is yesterday? I keep saying, Blake,

(36:35):
Brett Moore, I'm sorry, Brett.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I think we wasn't it Gophers by like two two
and a half after I savaged your team? That's only fair. Yeah,
I will look one second, fan By, I think it
was around that range. Where is this? I think I
think I I even I think I predicted it close
to right. I think I might have said half one

(36:58):
and a half even.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Know they beat Littlenoy last week and they're able to
stop the field and everything and jump around. I'm still
not impressed with their team. I think they got a
legit def win that game.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
They got a legit defense. They they also beat Washington
on the road. I think they they've played better the
last few weeks. I think it's quite losable. It should
be winnable for the Gophers. But I I'm just trying
to head off the notion that we should hold a
parade for them if they if they knock off Wisconsin
at home, which given their all to five road record,

(37:32):
is I would say the very least they could do.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Well. I think the Gophers should win that game. And
if they do win, we just have to ignore what
PJ is going to stay after the game because he
is Penis chests the thing. We are a good football records,
we are a good football team. Whereas you know, we
all know, the reality is you are your records. You
are what your record says. You are right, and and
he's gonna argue that we're a bold team. I said, well,
everybody gets in the ball. So you get the six

(37:57):
wins with sixty schools that make how many bowl games
are there.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know anymore too. There's thirty two bowls I
think is I think it's sixty four. I don't have
any idea anymore.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
It's run sixty four teams go to a bowl game.
There's nothing. There's not that's not an elite group, that's.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Not not No.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
So you're there just to have an event of someone
else's town, you know. It's not like you're not like
a number five ranked Argon Ducts or something. You're You're
just there to satisfy the Motor City Bowl people or
whatever bowl you may end up with. So but I
I if you ask me to bet on the game,
I probably would take the Gophers to cover at.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
One and a half.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, the Badgers can't be tricky, especially they were running
like some weird option thing that gets Illinois that was working,
so they got to watch out for that. Defensively, I
think it's can be up to the Gophers to kind
of slow the Wisconsin attack down. But I think they
can win the game.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, Well, their defense has been dreadful too much of
certainly on the road this season, so I you know,
I don't think you can count on anything. They should
be able to handle the Wisconsin offense. But we'll have
to see.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
On that note at mis like one of the best
defensive linemen in the Big ten, you know, and the
other kid I can't remember his name, he's not bad either.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, we're too young, an Eastern. We're too young. We're
too young. We've got a lot of young people. Are
they lining up in the wrong place? And you go,
you you guys want everything, you know, like it's done
in fifteen minutes. These things take time. It's year nine.
I mean, give you got to give PJ a chance
to to regroup and and redevelop even though of course
we're in the age of the transfer portal right where

(39:31):
you're supposed to be able to make moves very almost instantly.
But I digress.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Well, I got I had people people got madamy.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Last year.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
I wrote the comments said, look, I don't expect PJ
to be like a top ten program every year, but
I think every three years or maybe four years, he
should be able to roll up on ten wins and
possibly be a threat to get in the CFP. I
don't think that's unreasonable they ask of him. I'm not
asking to him all of a sudden turns program. No
how state, but just have a every now and then
get to have a year where you know you can

(40:00):
get into the final, into the final, whatever twelve it is,
or whatever the CFP is. So that's all I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
That's not too much. Well, I think that's very fair.
Here's my fantasy for the Gopher game. Is an eleven
o'clock game. I think it's eleven against Wisconsin, but we
double checked the Gopher time. Whatever time it is, here's
my here's my fantasy. The Gophers win the game and
the fans storm the field. It's two thirty. My apologies,

(40:28):
I don't know why if I was eleven two thirty
this week. That's my fantasy because that will be a
lot of fun to mock and ridicule on a two
hour edition of Sunday Sermons.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Whoever the acts Right now, I think.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
We do Gophers. He won last year. I think yeah.
And then here's what else we're going to hear if
they win. Here's what we're gonna hear on PJ Flex show.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
You know what they got here when I when I
got here, all they said all that matters is we
knock off Wisconsin. And I keep knocking off Wisconsin and
now people are asking why we can't beat Isle and
always change it.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
They always move the goalposts on me. He's already done
that ten times. He'll do it ten more.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
You know, coaches get in trouble when they make those
initial grandial statements. I remember LOVEE. Smith's press conference. We
was hired by the Bears. We're going to beat Green
Bay and he actually had success.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
They they did eventually. Yeah, it took a while and.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Ben but Ben Johnson came out and said we're gonna
take the northfoot, never give it back. And I'm like, Okay,
now you're really sitting the bar high here.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and we will uh
will chat next week. Thanks for helping us out today.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
No problem. I'll be in Seattle this week for these
biking games, so I'll have fresh miking manution.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Want to come back safe travels to Seattle, to the
Great Pacific Northwest, And are you going to go to
the space needle? Space needle still exists in Seattle, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
I'm finding like I'm finding in like early Saturday evening,
I'm probably there are time to just grab some dinner
and get ready for the game the next day. So
all right, that's how I'm rolling this week, and I'm
taking it right out of back, so I'm not really
spending that much time in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Okay, fair enough? We will chat soon. Save travels out there,
appreciate it. Lavelle e Neil the third on what's kind
of essentially our pre Thanksgiving edition of the Bumper to
Bumper program for twenty twenty five. We'll come back with
maybe even a leftover Vikings talking point from yesterday. I
think we got the most of them, but there might

(42:21):
be one more we can include, and maybe some more
final some final thoughts for at least today on the Gopher,
I should say the Vikings quarterback situation, and perhaps we
kind of redo a rant from the first segment of
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Speaker 5 (43:04):
Six four.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
One guy writes Brett blakemore safe travels. Just went Albert
Lee to Mason City, dry and forty degrees. Yes, looks
like you have until about nine pm. That uld be close,
isn't it. Yeah? Well, I mean all I gotta do
is just get Talbert Lee. Yeah, so I should be okay.
Then let's smooth sailing. Don't you hit the border? Yeah,

(43:24):
your troubles are behind you. What does this mean? Pete
and Woodbury two people on campaeon who shouldn't talk hockey?
Pa and Lava?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Why?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I got no problem with either one of them talking puck.
These puck snobs, you know, they think they're they're guardians
of the game. It's it's okay for casual hockey fans
to get involved in the conversation. I'm still out of
the text line, so I didn't know where you were going.
I thought they were ripping you and me. That's why
Latin wouldn't be the first ta Yeah, it wouldn't be

(43:53):
the first time that that indeed takes place. Here's this
will be well, actually we will have time to talk
preview on Sunday one more time that you have Vikings
and Seattle game, and so some of this we can
save until then. Look, I get it. I am not

(44:14):
going to hammer Vikings fans who are excited about the
prospect of Max Brosmer's starting. There may be some who
will be irrational, who are irrational about what he represents
and will lose their minds or they will overreact if
he plays competently. But we watch these teams, especially when

(44:34):
it comes to professional football, every week man with a
great deal of passion. And if you're a Vikings fan,
you're beaten down right now, right, I mean, nothing is working.
The team is out of the playoff chase already even
before we get to Thanksgiving, and the quarterback, the franchise,
save your quarterback, does not look close to ready to

(44:57):
just being out on the field with a start. Okay,
all of that I think is absolutely, I think undeniable
on the basis of what we've seen. So you're just
looking for something, right, You're looking for some morsel of hope,
even if you're smart enough to know it's not probably

(45:18):
realistic to think that Max Brozmer can be the guy
forever but you say I have film out there might
be kind of fun. It'll at least maybe feel differently.
And I think some of it is, well, let's see,
let's see a different quarterback work with the same supporting cast.

(45:39):
And so if that's the way you're thinking, I can't
get mad about that. Even if I think some of
the interest in Brozemer backup quarterback syndrome, interest goes well
beyond the normal because it's a guy who played here
a year ago, and I think there are a lot
of people who kind of jumped on it. Because they've
just jumped on it. It's become quite fashionable. But human

(46:00):
nature being what it is, you're it's fair in the
You get beaten down over the course of a long season.
So even if you know you're not going to make
your team's not going to make the playoffs this year,
a year after fourteen and three, you're just looking for
something you can cheer about, get excited about, lose yourself
in that will feel a little less heavy, because right
now everything Vikings related feels heavy. So we've seen it before,

(46:23):
even if it doesn't always make sense. Going to Seattle
a tough place to play against a team that has
one of the better records in all the National Football Conference.
We've seen it before that, for whatever reason, a quarterback
who's got nothing to lose comes out there and makes
a couple of plays, maybe the vikings perish, the thought
get a takeaway, and you're suddenly feeling a little bit

(46:47):
better about things. I don't think anybody can be mad
about that at all. And I think if you are
a mcbobo, there's a part of you that should should say,
you know, I still think I've leaving them, but and
I've tried to tell people, well, the receivers haven't helped
him out enough, the offensive line hasn't helped him out enough.

(47:08):
But let's see what happens with somebody else there. If
he gets crushed. If Brozemers sacked six times and he
throws three picks, that ab starts saying, well, you know,
there's a lot of infrastructure problems that we have not
been paying attention to, so all that's fair game. We'll
get into more of that on a two hour edition
of Sunday Sermons. Post Thanksgiving, a couple final thoughts Thanksgiving

(47:32):
planes trains at automobile thoughts went automobiles thoughts when we return,
and we will remind you of the opening rant of
the program, related not so much to the professional football team,
but to the college team prepared to host Wisconsin on Saturday.
Don't go. It's the bumper to bumper show, rat specially

(47:53):
by American pressure gods standing in rev guests, including a
surprising emotional Carl Gerschmidt in tears for part of the
award winning prediction segment. If you missed it, it'll be
podcasted and be available to you after the show. I
highly recommend it. Who knew that bringing up John Candy

(48:16):
and the motion picture planes, trains and automobiles would have
such an impact on Gurby and the prediction segment. Also
at four in Studio, a good solid hour, a Vikings
conversation with the inimitable Kevin Seffert, and then Lovell gave
us some bonus time today given we are preempted for
Pro football Lovel's Bears against the Eagles, so we are

(48:40):
off Friday. He moved up to today and we kind
of just the usual smorgasboard of sports discussion or sports topics.
I guess one could say with Lovell, we are back
for Sunday Sermons and it will be a two hour
edition because the vikings are in. We'll be in Seattle
for the eight games, so you have that to look

(49:02):
forward to if you're gonna miss us the next several
days because we are off tomorrow, Thanksgiving and Friday as well.
The early rant had to do with more of the same.
I shouldn't even let it affect me at this point,
but every once in a while there's just a concumulative effect.
We feel like you have to respond, and it's the

(49:23):
ongoing gibberish from PJ Fleck on you know, zero to one,
why don't put losses together? Zero one in the championship season?
And we got too many. We got a lot of
young players and they're lining up wrong, and the lack
of willingness to just flat out say, you know, I've
been here nine years. I think we've done pretty good work.

(49:45):
The work this year, especially defensive defensively has not been acceptable.
It hasn't really been to our standard. I can't pretend otherwise.
Given what has happened in not one, not two, not three,
not four, but five road games, I think that would
be so refreshing, beyond the old, because everybody is the old.
What's on me? But I more of just an acknowledgment.

(50:06):
Doesn't mean he has to bash his club. The nonsense
that he continues to go with that we're a very
good football team or a good football team like he
I guess thinks no one watches the games. I don't
understand what he expects. And I'll say again, I think
even discerning Gophers fans every once in a while have
to roll their eyes and say, I mean, I've watched.

(50:29):
Who are you fooling with this? It's not going to
be It's not worth bringing up youth nine years into
your program in the period of the transfer portal. It
just isn't. And why he continues to go down that
road in part because I don't think he ever really
gets challenged on it, and he's so used to it

(50:50):
that that's what he goes with. But the die has
been cast. The season cannot be saved by beating Wisconsin.
You can talk about the rivalries. I've been around here
for forty or close to it regarding the rivalries, and
I get it, but that does not erase what has

(51:11):
been a series of non competitive performances on the road,
not just losing on the road, but not even being competitive.
On the road, allowing the appros and quarterbacks to average
almost eighty percent completion percentage. That's just not workable. That's
not Big ten level, even second tier of the Big

(51:32):
ten as as well. So there we have it. I
just everyone's it's it's not new, but it stands out
and sometimes more than others. And this is a good
example of exactly that Northwestern had nothing going offensively, and
they looked like an offensive juggernaut against the Gophers. I
think second straight week we gave up over well, I

(51:55):
know against Northwestern it was close to five hundred yards
five hundred and fifty yards and who never really stopped
them for any significant part in a game in which
they had nicely come from behind and built a I
think it was a fifteen point lead, I'm not mistaken.
I think it was twenty eight thirteen, and we couldn't
hold onto it. We couldn't come close to holding on
to it. So just some sort of acknowledgment that this

(52:18):
is more than a We had a lot of guys
who did a lot of good things. We're this is it.
We're not playing little league football here, man, This isn't
Pop Warner League. This is major college football. And this
is a guy who said before the season began, what
be delusional? In other words, think the unthinkable? And it
seemed to be that message was why can't we be

(52:39):
the Indiana this year? And they obviously have not come
close to being the Indiana of this year. So that'll
also be available to you as well. What do we
have coming up next on the fan? Do we know Brettlckmore?
We got Vikings Country Andrew Depaula ooh nice. Okay, somewhere
in Saint Paul, I believes long snap. I wonder if
there are analytics for long snappers. I guess there probably are.

(53:01):
The first thing else and I mean, do they do
you evaluate? Is there a way to objectively evaluate, like
distinguish one snap from another, like a great snap from
a good snap? Is that part of long snapping analytics?
I'll leave that to the maybe discussed. Maybe I'd be
discussed tonight. Even better. Happy Thanksgiving to you, safe travels,

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Thank you, and we will see you again on Sunday.
Happy Thanksgiving to all of our listeners as well. We
appreciate the text today. And yeah, I if you have
not seen planes, trains and automobiles, I envy you and
I would hardly recommend you find a way to do
it with or without the people around you. It's a
terrific film that's about more than the comedy. It's John

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Candy at his emotional best late in that film. Thanks
again for watching, thank you for listening, and we will
talk to you Sunday morning at nine