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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Just in case you missed it, it's the top five
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, let's do a kind of a mini top
five at five as I figure out the clock the
rest of the way. As I mentioned, louis coming up
in just a little bit. What do you want to
start with, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Let's start with some positivity because one team in town
is dominance.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Time.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now for the obligatory Kevin Faulness Minnesota Wild mention.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
All you do is whim let go Tucker center rights
for Shie shik. He walks his way in right circa
shots big and wide.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
The final seconds here ticket down is op it tries
a jar went out the center and that does it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
The Minnesota Wild pick up.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Their NHL leading fifth shutout win of the year. Yes,
per Volstead now with his fourth career whitewashing three of
them this season, as the Wild beat the Jets for
the first time in the last ten tries in the
all types season series. They shut out the Winnipeg Jets
here at Caund of Life Center.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Three nothing a.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Miile, gotta love it going to a divisional foes hall
arena and shutting them out. Three nothing to Nila. You're
off getting on the board as well, that's bigger.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Take care you love that, you put them on the
top line. That's what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So all of a sudden, the wild are now twelve
seven and four. They've got twenty eight points, their third
place in the Central Division.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
How about that? Just I don't know completely. So if
the season ends today, we make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Not only you make you make the play not even
a wild card, not a wild card anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, been amazing about it. Now, all that nonsense about
how we got to be careful, we're gonna get buried
too early and it's hard to make up points. We've
already made them up. Think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's been like a perfect month of November after a
just a horrific finish to the last month or the
start of right, correct.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, uh, little ray of negativity? Is the season injury? No,
it's the season ended today.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They'd get the Dallas Stars in the first round of
the playoffs, So.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's not great. But bring them on. They can't. No
one can score exactly. You can't lose if the other
team can't score exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So the while, to answer your question, they play on
Wednesday in Chicago against the Blackhawks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The Blackhawks any good yet? I mean they're getting there
on a skill, yeah, but they haven't really they haven't
really turned it into anything formidable yet. I mean they're
ten to eight in four, okay, so not all. Yeah,
they're better than they were back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
The Duard's good, Ryan Donando is good. Okay, So that's
when there'll be an action next. But all they do
is score goals and shut teams out. And Walstett the
great Wallastain.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Vollstett, Yeah, I get it right.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
There's always one Texter who gets mad at that, like
as if your day's ruined that I said, Walstet.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
There's believing a lot of people who's who pretend to
have their days ruined by things we say, which says
more about them than it does us. It does. That's okay.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So one team in town is waving the flag of
Minnesota saying we're a good team.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's Minnesota Wild right now. That's it. That's all I got.
That's all we got. I mean, that's that's the only
one right now. I mean the Frost just raised a banner.
Lost that night. Now that's not as important as after
having the banner to raise, which is worthy. Gopher men,
we haven't talked men's basketball. We haven't talked a lot
about them. They lost I think to the University of
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San Francisco the other day. They had shown some promise early.
Now it seems like to come back to the pack
a little bit, it's going to take a minute. I think,
no question about that. And what was the other Well,
we talked a lot on Sunday about the latest Gopher
meltdown that puts them in a position. Will you double
(03:34):
check for me what the current spread is Gophers hosting
the Wisconsin Badgers. I bet you it's minischool. I'm going
to say, without knowing the Gophers are favored by two.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think if you would have said that even a
month ago, a lot have been preposterous. Yes, but now
not so much. The Gophers are favored by one and
a half. You want a bigger indictment right there.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You're at home against a team that has been awful,
at least until recently, and that's the best you can do.
And I said this Sunday, man, beware a team that
starts feeling you know, it's just been pounded all year.
They got wounds everywhere. They've just been obliterated by their
fan base and everybody, the coach, the whole bit is
getting ripped. And they get a little success going and
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they go, hell, yeah, this is fun. We're gonna play
this thing out. So they're not going to play like
a team that's buried, is my point, because they're coming
off better games of a good victory against Illinois most recently.
So this is a dangerous game for the Gophers. The
Wisconsin defense is legit period. Not saying the offense is
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on the verge of becoming great, but let's face it,
a lot of offenses have looked good against this Gopher defense.
So this is a if you ask me right now,
I'd say Wisconsin is going to win the game if
I'm being real honest about it. But the point is
it doesn't look like any kind of a mismatch the
way it did just you know, four or five games ago.
And as we talked about, Johnny Athletic, a horrific meltdown
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loss for the Wolves against Phoenix. We have yet to
beat a team with a winning record, and Phoenix has one.
Surprisingly no one expected that, but and in fact didn't they.
I think at least the two of their one or
two of their best scorers filed out. We're out of
the game, and and the and the Wolves still found
(05:34):
a way to blow that lead. So we'll find out
this week. Not tonight so much at Sacramento, but then
they're playing Oklahoma City on Wednesday. I think they got
Boston soon. Boston's not the same Boston. They got San
Antonio Davy soon, and of course went by yama Is
still I think expected to be out as well. So
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I don't know if you call it a lost weekend
because the Wild you know, are are playing as well
as they are. But outside of that, it's been a
little it's a little sketchy right now. Yeah, very sketchy
right now.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The intro says, just in case you missed it, here's
the top five and five. So I feel like this
fair game, even though it's been a lot of the
show is JJ McCarthy. Kevin O'Connor revealed earlier today in
Concussion Protocol. Now I've seen, you know, monitoring Twitter as
I do, Ben Gestling Kevin Seaffert basically posting all twenty
two's and saying, well, here's where it could have been.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, he said it was going to be late.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Maybe it was this one where he fell over a
little bit and he laid down for a little bit longer.
The conspiracy theorists are on this one.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And it is.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It just smells a little bit, that's all. Well, he
told us on the team plane. So there's just a
lot of weirdness going on with it, and no one
really knows when it happened or why, and concussions are
a weird thing. So but do you think there's any
merit to that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Here's where I think, as I said earlier, the merit
for me am I gonna flat out say they are
inventing a concussion. No, I'm not prepared to go there.
I know it's the cool thing to say. I know
it's what people want to hear. But I will add
that part of the level of suspicion is the way
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all of these injury slash sidelinings have gone for the QB,
because we knew nothing about any kind of a knee issue.
Was it knee or ankle for him? I can't rend
his ankle ankle, ankle when he got hurt earlier in
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the year, and so it felt weird. That's what led
to some of the conspiracy. So and I even since
in Ben Leeber's comments that I'm not saying Ben either
was saying he's making it up, but almost like, oh,
come on, we know nothing about this, and then now
this is what we hear. Do you know what this
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tells me?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Though?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
If JJ McCarthy were playing well, even serviceably, I think
the conspiracy theories go away. Yeah, they have. I think
traction because he has tended to be dreadful, historically dreadful.
So that's what contributes to the conspiracy theories more than
any other element. That's how badly he has tended to perform.
(08:15):
And they go, oh, yeah, they want to sit them
all right? Or does he want to sit I don't know.
Bottom line though, is, and we've talked about this before,
whether you think it's real or invented, availability matters, and
whether a guy is legitimately hurt. If he whether it's
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bad luck or bad circumstance, can't be available, then you've
got a problem. Right, And we've seen that happen before
with football players, basketball players, baseball players, etc. So no,
I'm not ready to say they invented it, but I'll
say again, I bet deep down they're relieved that they
have something they can hang their hat on to sit
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them without having to turn it into a you're benching him.
They can with a straight face say the we're responding
to a medical situation. Concussions are taking a lot more
seriously than they used to be and should be. Could
it ever be used as a lever to hide behind?
You like to think not, but anything's possible. But I
do think there's just I thought this last time that realistically,
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at the least they were relieved that they're going to
be able to sit them because his level of quarterback
play is not sustainable right now for a professional team, period.
End of story. And again, don't text me. I know
you got to play him. That's the only way he
gets over it. I understand all those things, but this
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is not This is not just normal rookie or first
time you've played second year, first time you've actually been
out there going through the mot you know, going through
the paces and having some difficulties and having some ups
and downs. This analytically and by eye test is historic,
and it does raise the question of whether he's ready
at all for the whole big deal. Let's do this,
(10:02):
let's pause and when we come back. And by the way,
the Vikings themselves have also contributed to it, with the
way the head coach has has has endlessly come up
with all these terms about what he has to do.
Fundamentally speaking, that makes it seem like he's not close
to being ready. The situation that you most likely or
most you know, I think fairly associate with off season
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improvements that have to be made base, body, balance, eyes, feet, neurological,
what was the term that patterns pathway, pathways, et cetera.
We'll check on lou Nanny's neurological pathways. He is coming
up next here in the Fans about the World Ride
(11:10):
in the World can no Nanny. He is, of course
brought to you by our good friends at camps and
he's a Tuesday regular. But Louie's got some scheduling issues
affecting his UH joining us UH as usual on Tuesdays,
so we moved him up even in a heavy Vikings day,
largely because the Minnesota Wild are the you know, sort
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of saving grace right now when it comes to the
Minnesota professional sports scene. I'm sure we'll talk some football
with him as well. He joins us via the Connectico
Water Systems hotline, Louis, where are you refraid? I know
you told me, but refresh my memory.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I'm a quarterble way to China. I'm in Vancouver.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Ah, there you go. Vancouver. You say beautiful this time
of year. That's always beautiful, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Well, the city beautiful, but yeah, cool, it's about forty degrees.
Oh yeah, and I had a little rise a little
morning when I was walking over to the conference. It's
but it is magnificent city. It's gorgeous. You know, it's
got everything you want to and plus the good restaurants
on top of it all.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So that doesn't ever be it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
No, And I got to come back to More. I'll
be in the flight coming back to the More when
you're on the show.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So gotcha? Yeah, fair enough that that works. Uh, we
may end up talking a little bit of JJ McCarthy
with you again, but I do want to start with
the hockey team. Another shutout. It's I guess this is
the I was mentioning, this is almost the time where
you you, if you're running the team, you want to
probably play every night, right. You want to milk as
much out of what's going on right now. You never
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know how long this goes, but you you want to
like embrace it.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
They're doing everything right right now.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
That's right. You feel like you can't lose when you
get going one of these streets, and especially when you
got two goals and it's playing well, and you know,
I'll really concerned about who's going on in the next
you're specting to get a good game to start with.
And then even though they're not healthy, and at times
you'd think, jeez, you got two of the three leading
centers that we had going into the season on the shelf,
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and you just still playing like that. It's a good feeling.
It makes them feel invincible, and it's something quite different
than you got around here. You've come up in Canada.
It's just amazing. You just no matter where are you
going to Canadian City unless they're winning, they're lamenting the team.
And here in Vancouver where they're having a real tough time,
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people are very disgusted. You know, it's twenty some games in,
but they they're ready to cash in the whole season already.
They're talking about Hughes, Quinn Hughes, who's is their best player,
and he's in a situation like the priest out was
in and he hasn't signed yet. So now they're talking
about giving him and having him give them an ultimatum
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what he wants, otherwise he can get out. And they
get kneeling because they can't lose this guy without anything
getting back that much and knowing that he's got two
brothers in New Jersey that the New Jersey kee's talking about,
wouldn't it be lovely? We had him here too, So
a lot of problems in the Caraadian towns with some
of the.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Teams, no question. I you know, it's interesting because I
don't have the quote in front of me. I talked
to Garin about it when we had him on the
other day. This was I think like two shutouts ago
for voalstat where he likened the goalie, likened his improvement
to a belief that last year he felt like he
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was chasing the puck and that he's more in a
mindset of letting the puck come to me, and it
almost sounds like, you know, it's sort of hard to follow.
You say, well, sometimes you have to go to the
puck off your goaltender, you have to react. But what
do you think he means by that, because for him,
it clearly sounds like he feels like me, only he's
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in a much better state in terms of you know
why his goaltending has been much more effective this year.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, it sounds like it's an anxious situation of anxiety,
you're not not really knowing what to expect. You getting
a little like you start believing that you've got to
do something before they do something. But before we get
too far away from that, I want to tell you
it's not just last year. Remember he was done the
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year before in the minors and wasn't burning it up,
and so this is really a welcome turnaround of events
because this is what he was supposed to be when
he was drafted. As we talked about earlier, he was
the all world goaltender, the number one goalie in the
world outside of the NHL, one don they were seeing.
And then he comes into the organization, played a couple
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of years in the minors, and not as bad two
years ago as he was last year. But all of
a sudden they were in a position, remember last year
they're going to go with three goalies. They thought that, yeah,
that's right. They didn't want to leave him down and
they couldn't afford to do that to him. Well, the
little play he had up early wasn't very good either.
They had to send him down. And then I got
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to tell you, they start having some feelings about well
Flurry retires and then Gus got to bounce back better
and this guy gonna be good enough. So they went
from having a tentative unknown maybe having a goaltender problems
and having just this guy looks unbeatable right now. The
way he's playing, he's played with so much confidence and
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so much enthusiasm that seems to be catchy. And it
certainly got catchy with augustuson because he got to play
better too.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, there's no question about that. And I mean, now
we're talking about this, I think maybe as recently as
last week that maybe you know, if you have two
goaltenders going well, maybe it ends up being closer to
fifty to fifty than you have envisioned before the season began.
But there's no concern to me about one having to
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be established over the other. You know, it's the number
one in the way that we do with quarterbacks because
you need to goaltenders. And secondly, maybe later, maybe you
reach the postseason and you there's word, there's discussion debate
about all right, who deserves to start game one or
how quickly you go to the other guy. To me,
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that's where it can legitimately get into debate and conversation
about one guy or the other right now though, it's
all good, right, there's nothing bad about any of this.
It's all to the good.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
It's all to the good. And the point you just
made is something that people don't talk about or recognize
very often. How often have you talked about a quarterback controversy?
And in any team in the NFL, it's usually one
clear in a way, he's the guy, and the second guy, oh,
if we have to go to them, we will, Whereas
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in hockey many times you get a good situation with
two goaltenders. And this is even better than a good
situation because right now the pretty even so they're equal.
As a matter of fact, they're still even right now,
stop and think about it, because you're only a few
months away the Swedish team's got to pick goaltender for
the couple of goaltenner three. Actually, you know for the Olympics,
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well said already he has to projected himself into that
question talk at least because he's played so well. You
keep watching this and it continues to say, how can
he not be there? Football, you don't get that situation.
Get you get the one guy starter and if you
have to go around the football circles with non executives, etc.
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I'd like to know how many people can name the
second quarterback in the football team, whereas in hockey many
people can name that second goaltender.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
A couple interesting stats this is courtesy of Brett Marshall.
That got my attention that I wanted to run by you.
Marcus Johansson has a point in seventeen of twenty three
games this season. Jared Spurgeon has played one hundred and
seventy three minutes fifty eight seconds of five on five
in November across eleven games and has yet to be
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on the ice for a goal against. Those are pretty
interesting numbers right there.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Those are mind boggy numbers and one of the things
that has certainly gone away, But was whispered about before
this when the Wild was in the slump, and you
start thinking, how can they make changes? Who are they
can they make changes with? Some of the names were
thrown around. We're going to be Spurgeon because Spurgeon is
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true such a proven record of being such a terrific
hockey players, still still in good shape, and you know,
it's still got a couple of years left, and so
who can bring anything of value? And his name definitely
was with for whether they want to acknowledge it or not.
And now all of a sudden, you get him played
in the streak like this what you always is almost
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unheard of, the way he's been out there and not
giving up anything five and five and really been one
of the big reasons why this club has started to
stow again, and that it had to pretty quickly, I think,
to spell all the rumors of him moving anywhere. As
long as they eat, he keep going where they're going
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to be a good team the rest of the year. Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We got to take a one quick break, so we're
going to put Louis on hold for a quick segment
and our quick I guess two or three minute break,
and then we're going to come back if you have
questions for Luigi. Now we do have the branch On
Brankfein text line working and up again, so hit six
four six eight six. We'll try to include a couple
of those questions, maybe talking to him a little bit
about the Vikings quarterback situation as well, because there is
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a controversy there, and maybe the star to the Max
Brozemer Era at least for one week more. Louis next.
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Kemp's Dateline Vancouver, British Columbia. As you may know, there's
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a great deal of fear and loathing ongoing regarding the
Vikings quarterback situation. McCarthy was even worse than he had
been the week before, historically bad now analytically even among
young quarterbacks in their first five, six, seven starts. He
is now apparently in concussion protocol. There seems to be
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a good indication that he will not play on Sunday,
although the head coach would not commit, in which case
Max Brosmer would be the starter. The former Gopher quarterback,
do you subscribe to the notion and this could, I
think be true of any sport, including the sport that
you played in and then general managed in that even
if it's a player you believe in that you really
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are going to stay invested in and think has a future,
that there are times when you could be doing the
player a favor in the short run by sitting him,
by taking the heat off for a week or two
when the performance becomes as bad as it is and
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the pressure mounts to the degree that it does, even
if he continues to say all the right things. Is
there ever, is there anything ever therapeutic about sitting a
player that you believe in just to just to you know,
sort of regroup.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's uh, that's a question got to be handled a
lot of different ways. It all depends on the individual
you're talking about. Some youngsters really benefit from something like that,
and and it's their personality allows them to benefit from it,
where others more volatile or fiery or what have you,
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it hurts them more. They they they'd rather be in there,
and and they got the conference and the cockiness of
of a person, and the type of persons that become
big stars when when they feel like that, that that
you know, they want to battle. They they don't believe
that they're in that situation, and they have a lot
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of conference in themselves. So you have to know the individual.
I really believe it. You know, your interactions with that
person while you've been coaching them or been around them
will give you some indication the awa he's going to
react to a situation like that. And and I really
do believe that some will benefit, and I also believe
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some don't benefit. And so it's up to the culture
and manager to decide what type of individual he is.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's a fair point. I mean, that's that's probably you
got to know the player who's involved, et cetera. I
will tell you that here's where I think it can
be really tricky. Maybe in the short run doesn't matter,
but I think there's reason there may be it was
always reasonablieve that in the short term Max Brosmer might
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be more ready to be a quarterback for even a
game or two in the National Football League than JJ is.
He's a couple of years old. In fact, he's twenty
four and a half. He's in turn twenty five. I
think in March been around the block a while. Doesn't
depend on his athleticism, just seems like he's got, you know,
a little bit if he comes across as a little
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bit more of an adult. I don't mean that as
a rip to JJ, but JJ's young. On the other hand,
as you know, your job when you're evaluating talent is
to figure out not only who might be good or
might give you the best chance to win today, but
who's got the best chance to develop into the kind
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of guy that can help you win for a long time.
Right upside that's what we're always talking about, not where
as somebody is now, but where he's going to go.
And that's the tricky part. I could see Brose were
playing better quite frankly, Louie, than JJ did. It wouldn't
really take much at this point, but that I don't
think should be necessarily taken. As we found other guy.
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This is the guy we should be investing in, and
that McCarthy is no longer viable because it's it's a
tricky formula that is about not just the present but
also the future.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
I agree with that. That's why I think that I
think they make a good move in putting broth More
in for that reason, to at least give him an
opportunity to play. And as you pointed out, he is older,
he's got a more seasoned are around him, you know
what I mean, from what he's done, yes, or he's
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been being older, he might be able to handle that
situation and also, just as you said, handling pretty well,
but in the long run, not be the individual that
McCarthy can because you know right off the bat that
he can't throw any harder than McCarthy and you can
run any better. He's a good runner. On top of it.
So he's got he's got some mathematics skills that if
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he honed them, and the biggest, the biggest thing in
any individual, people don't talk about. They'll talk about the
athletic skills, they'll talk about the side, they'll talk about toughness.
Not enough people talk about the mind. It's the mind
that makes the difference. What's going on in your head.
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And now, if if McCarthy's got those skills in the
head then finally get to where the skills are, then
you're going to have a much better player. But if
the mind doesn't get where those skills are. I like
Brousmer's mind. I like the way he handled himself. I
liked the way he came into the university and was
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smart enough to bring the guys around them into him
and into the team and build a bond up that
he had to do quickly. So it's really something to see.
I want to see how he performs in that area.
I think that unfortunately for the Vikings when you look
back now that there was a missed opportunity when he
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didn't go in the game for wins a lot earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
For you're talking about Brosmer, Yeah, right, that could be. Yeah,
I I never understood, uh, you know, once when he
when we talked about it, I think at the time
where he seemed to be in as much pain as
he was in. I know, the comeback was, well, he
can't be any more injury, he can't do any more damage.
But he certainly looked like he was in a great
deal of agony. And uh, and I don't know. I mean,
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there are people there's a lot of conspiracy theories, Louis.
One is there was no indication of a concussion yesterday
and now suddenly there is, and that this is a
kind of a soft benching where everybody's kind of winking
and saying, this is how we can say, we're not
really benching him. It's more about the injury. But if
we can get him off the field. I refuse to
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believe they would they would invent a concussion. I don't know,
but my guess is they probably don't mind that he's
sitting because it it they have a little bit of
interference that is being run for them on the basis
of concussion, because they say, well, it's you know, concussions
people take seriously now, and to that extent, maybe it
takes a little bit of the pressure off and and
Broswork goes in I think pretty loose because expectations are,
(29:08):
you know, not going to be great for him. But
there's it's it's hard for it to get any worse
than it was against Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
But if it was a wing wing situation, then don't
you think at least I feel that McCarthy would know it?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yes, right, I can't.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I can't picture him agreeing to it because it's still
a benching and whether people I don't think his his
personality is such that he wants to be protected from
criticism as much as he wants to be given the
opportunity to play. And when you when you when you
fabricated uh an injury like that, eventually it's going to
(29:50):
get up. The word's going to get it really wasn't
an injury or something, and you're taking a you're taking
a heck of a chance, and all of a sudden,
it's so you're protecting the individual, and that makes it
even comfert on the individual because the fans could be
cool the way they react to him after that, they
know they had to pull you out and take a
concussion to keep you.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
A I'm with you on that.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, that's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, it's not why I don't think it's it's worth it.
As I said, I think a case, let's say there
was no concussion protocol. I do believe a case could
be made that even if I am not giving up
on this player that I am, I can be doing
him a service by sitting him for a week or
two and say there's some stuff we want to go
over with him. And the only way we could feel
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like we can do that is to not throw him
back right out on the field. And so that's what
we're going to do. I really do think because my
concern and you know this too, players teammates generally say
the right thing right, and they're going to say, I'm sure,
we're supportive, we're going to be patient. We know this
thing takes time, the human nature being what it is.
Players at some point they're about performance too, right, They're
(31:01):
not just about words. They're about okay, are we putting
guys out there that even give us a chance? And
I think that's that's part of what you know, the
vikings and what KOC have to guard against, or at
least have to be aware of and pay attention to do.
Is that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
That makes a lot of sense because we've discussed many
times over about the feeling of individuals in a locker room.
How many times have I said, you don't have to
love one or another. Yeah, but that day, that's your brother,
that's who you play for. When you leave the building,
I don't care if you ever see each other again.
And a team is a special bond. And if they're
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in a situation that locker room where where they're getting
the other individuals are getting taken advantage of because they're
not playing the best players. So they they don't want
to say they made a mistake or they whatever the
reason is that they're they're forstering somebody else on that
team and they're not success fall And those guys, you know,
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they got their careers on the line. He got on
the line, They got a lot of things on the line.
They're not gonna they're not gonna take to that very kindly.
They they will stick with a player that's their teammate
as much as they have to, but at the same time,
they're not going to accept somebody going into the lineup
that's not as good as the next guy that should
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be in the lineup without having some feelings about it.
If if they lose the game, they're they're gonna be
in essence thinking that wasn't our best team out there today.
We could have won this game with a little different
So you've gotta you have to always watch. You don't
lose the locker.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Room safe travels back you said, I think you're coming
back tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and we
will we will chat next week.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Thank you, Luigi, all right, look forward sing you.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Thanks you as well. Excellent stuff from Louis as always,
not just on hockey. That's one of the reasons we
love Louie as a regular contributor to this program. We
still have a good, solid half hour to go. That
means more vikings, talking points, some good ones yet ahead,
so we asked that you hang in back in a minute.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
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is in the Bahamas. You actually had offered up a
(33:32):
live listening earlier. Go for women's basketball team had I
think its first game in whatever that tournament is named.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Did we win or do we lose? Do we know?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
They beat USF the South Florida Bowls. Okay, fifty seven
to forty five. Fifty seven forty five. Okay, there you go,
five and one on the year they are.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
They should have gotten the one I think they The
one they lost was at Kansas, and Kansas is not
a great team this year. But uh, they're off to
a relatively promising start. We'll see where this thing goes.
But I've never been. Uh, I've never been to the Bahamas.
I you know, I tend to associate the Bahamas with
(34:15):
I know, on both the men's and women's side. I
think there they have holiday tournaments and I think the
Bahama Tournament, Bahamas Tournament, I should say. Maybe it's on
the men's side, maybe they just in the women's. It's
got this exotic blue back lighting that is very unique
to the tournament. I wonder if anybody, well it should
(34:37):
doesn't matter. I'm locked out of our system again, So
don't text me. You can tweet me, but don't text me.
I'm not gonna be You're not gonna be able to
get through at this point. But it looks like it's
in like a ballroom, Yes, exactly, exactly right. It almost
looks like it's, like you say, an auditorium of some
sort rather than a big gym that we associate with that.
So I'm sure he'll eventually file a live report. This
(34:58):
is a tough day for him, as I said, because
he's I'm sure enjoying where he is, but he's been
on the Brozemur Brownstone beat for a while, and the
fact that the story would break that he finally has
the best chance he's had to start a game and
guards these like millions of miles away, you really can't
quite make up. But maybe we'll try to catch up
(35:19):
with him tomorrow because we're out Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday
as well. Let's get to another Vikings talking point, and
my sources saying, because I've not heard the radio play
by play call that it's pretty dramatic what Pa and
or Peter Bursich have to say about a play that
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you could argue pretty much changed everything in the ballgame.
From that this moment forward, the Vikings no longer seemed
all that interested in competing.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Wheelan will let it fly from about his own forty
miles Price heels on the ten end over end production
by Wheeland. Price is going to let it sail over
his head. Nice bounce Bay. At the six, Price ran
in there and touched it.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
It's bouncing about at the five to get them out
of the Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's ridiculous. I mean, this just so ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Seriously, after the special teams l on Devin Duberne last
game and Bryce lets it fly over his head and then,
for whatever the reason, decides to run back by the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
On the field because the pub was touched by the
return team player and.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Subsequently recovered by the kickers first down of Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think didn't he get blocked? Price should have stayed
out of there, obviously, but I thought he ended up
kind of getting blocked into where the ball was headed.
It was just it was a lame brain play all
the way around. And again to that point, I don't
think anybody was raving about the Vikings offense, but it
was still a relatively competitive game, right and that's pretty much.
(36:56):
Would you have how many yards did you have to
go three?
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Two?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Or do they inside the five? Very close into no time?
You had your run and you didn't need your number
one running back. No, there was not any need to
mess with the number one running back because.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Hirst and goal hand off to Wilson goes up the middle,
runs head first into lee by Drake Rodriguez, but he
will plunge into the end zone for a green Bay
Packers touchdown and green Bay leads six three. The backers
of the seven to three lead first in ten handoff,
Emmanuel Wilson runs to the right side, right into the
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back of center Sean Ryan bounces off two Vikings at
the twenty five and he'll forge ahead to the twenty
nine for a run of eleven that should have been
a run of four, and it's a first down for
green Bay. Jordan Love in the short shotgun it's the
pistol formation and Annual Wilson behind him and on first
and ten handoff Wilson, he'll bounce off right tackle Zack
(37:55):
tom and get to the outside forty five forty, but
Tellson's fry passions him down at about the thirty five
yard line. Still they gave him ten, so it's a
first down from the Vikings thirty seven backers leads seventeen
to six. Emmanuel Wilson, he's the tailback and he continues
(38:15):
his career day against the Minnesota Vikings. More on that momentarily,
first and ten, they go to Wilson, jump up right
and he runs right by Eric Wilson across the twenty
to the eighteen yard line for a first down. That's
an eleven yard run. So Emmanuel Wilson now has one
hundred and three rushing yards on twenty three carries. For
Emmanuel Wilson, who is in his third ear from Fort
(38:38):
Valley State, career highs for attempts, rushing yards, touchdowns, and
scrimmage yards. He now has one hundred and twenty one
scrimmage yards and he's first in ten for Green Bay
from the Vikings eighteen leading by eleven ah.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He finished I think the day with twenty eight carries,
one hundred and seven yards, two touchdowns along of twelve.
As we said, and had you even heard of him
before the game, well you probably had, as you're a
packer room yet correct, I'm not saying he's got no talent.
But come on, man, but I buy the notion that
everybody gets worn down when you have a quarterback play
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that is historically bad. I think it ends up, whether
it should or not, affecting pretty much everybody. Your guy,
Jordan Love fairly pedestrian numbers right, fourteen for twenty one,
one hundred and thirty nine, no touchdowns, no picks, and
you know, I mean it was a day where your
offense didn't have to do a lot. When the other
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qbs twelve or nineteen for eighty seven yards, no touchdowns
and two picks and it's sacked five times. You just
keep playing and you're probably going to be okay, and
ultimately you were a final score of twenty three to six. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Pa asked me, I run the nine and noon program
on Tuesdays when they're out of TCO. And he asked me, downline,
what do you think of Emanuel Wilson? And I just
don't sleep on No. I just said, fine, backup guy
does the job when Jacobs needs, you know, a sip
of water, and then that's his bit. I didn't think
he was capable of that. I didn't think the run game,
as far as the run blocking was capable of that either.
(40:15):
But yeah, when you have love asn't the ac joint
spray on his shoulder? Why why risk it? When it's
the run game is working so well, so they didn't
really ask them to do much.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Didn't neither do much. I'm looking at the NFC North standings,
the Bears and probably after escaping a soldier field with
a victory over the Aarons Rogers less, No, the Pittsburgh
Steelers without Aaron Rodgers. I guess I should say they're
at eight and three, your Packers a half game behind.
(40:45):
It's seven three and one. Detroit is seven and four,
which means that not only are the Vikings in last place,
they are three games out of third place. It's it's
astonishing when you think about it. And for the reck
the Bears eight and three, right, eight wins, three losses.
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Their point differential remains minus three. I think that's their
last win of the season. Packers plus sixty one, Lions
plus eighty three Vikings are minus thirty one. The Bears
eight and three minus three differentially. You might be right.
They've got the Eagles on Friday in the Black Friday Game.
(41:29):
I think they've got two games left with you guys.
They've got the Niners and was it one more with
the Lions?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
So Eagles, Packers on the road, right, Browns at home,
which that could be now the SoRs start at the Browns,
but then Packers again, forty nine ers on the road
and then the Lions.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Remarkable. Well, we'll find out in there, we'll find out.
We'll see. Don't get hoty, you're not gonna you haven't
clinched the division yet, my boy, I get it out.
Let's break, come back, wrap things up. Remind you what
we have coming up tomorrow, what you missed earlier today.
Stay durn. It's the Bumper to Bumper Show rap. It's
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brought to by American pressure. A number of people had
sent in the video that's being explored of the hit
we did talk about for those who were just joining
the program, we did talk about the one where he
went down hard on a scramble to the left and
almost seemed like flat on his back with his arms
outstretched in a way that I thought indicated he got
(42:33):
nailed pretty good. That's where the speculation is where the
concussion might have taken place, If it is indeed a concussion,
I don't even if that's been ruled that in fact
he's in concussion protocol, which I think indicates at the
very least there's a suspicion of that that he had
expressed some concern I think on the way back according
to Adam Feelen, and then maybe this morning as well,
(42:58):
about some symptoms. Could that have been the play? Yeah,
I think it's it's almost foolhardy to evaluate it on
the base of any play, because it's it's often the
play where you think, oh my god, that looks like
a concussion. There's nothing, and then sometimes a play that
does not that looks relatively harmless for whatever the reason,
(43:18):
the way a head snaps back or the way he
falls ends up being a part of it. I don't
think it's worth going through all that. It's a proud
or film like fashion. To be honest with you, I
don't know what it leads to, because you're never going
to know, and you're never going to convince the conspiracy theorists.
And as I said earlier, if McCarthy were playing more serviceably,
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this wouldn't even be a discussion and be like, well, yeah,
that's bad, that's bad luck for him. Now he's playing
a little better, and he got he's in concussion protocol.
The reason it's I think these conspiracy theories have oxygen
is he's playing so poorly that people are concluding that well,
they don't want him to play, or they're looking for
an out, and either he's getingiving them that out, or
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they're giving themselves that out with the concussion conversation. And
as I said, I think we already know the most
important issue. We know they miscalculated on the readiness of
this player to be the guy this year in a
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way that was going to allow them to at the
same time compete within the division and within the conference.
They miscalculated that. I don't want to revisit all the
other options they had because we've talked about that before,
but I think that's what we already know, which again
is not the same thing as saying he can never
be a franchise quarterback for this team. But he's whatever
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vision they had, and they had this vision, trust me
that we could do both at the same time. That
has been proven to be incorrect. And the question is
how vulnerable it makes the people who run this team.
We've talked about the fact that you know, uh, this
we have no playoff wins thus far with this regime,
(45:11):
and you know that starts adding up year after year. Now,
I think obviously the key question moving forward is how
you evaluate him between now and the end of the season,
and he must make enough progress when he does return
to the field for them to start next season or
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next off season to say we still think he can
be the guy. I believe. You may already be at
a point where you have to consider the possibility of
bringing in competition and saying we still believe in him,
but we're gonna we're gonna create a little competition this time.
We'll see where this goes. But then that means you
got to find somebody who's willing to sign with you,
(45:54):
who's more than a pedestrian. That is saying, Okay, you
don't have to guarantee me the job either, just give
me a Shane has to compete. That ultimately is the
Daniel Jones route, and to this point it's worked out,
although he's come back to the pack a little bit,
so we'll see. I want to thank our outstanding guest
lineup today, which included Luigi Johnny Athletic, Ben Leeber and
Adam Thielen. All of this podcastable later Tomorrow is Tuesday.
(46:17):
Louis is out, so I'm hoping Kevin Seffert. I'm hoping
we can get him in studio because there's still plenty
of meat on the Vikings bone as well, who knows
what else. Tomorrow, hope you'll join us, and hopefully we'll
have our bratch on Brian Cafe in text line fixed
by that as well. Enjoy the rest of the evening.
We'll talk to you tomorrow. Three
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right, let's do a kind of a mini top
five at five as I figure out the clock the
rest of the way. As I mentioned, louis coming up
in just a little bit. What do you want to
start with, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Let's start with some positivity because one team in town
is dominance.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Time.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now for the obligatory Kevin Faulness Minnesota Wild mention.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
All you do is whim let go Tucker center rights
for Shie shik. He walks his way in right circa
shots big and wide.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
The final seconds here ticket down is op it tries
a jar went out the center and that does it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
The Minnesota Wild pick up.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Their NHL leading fifth shutout win of the year. Yes,
per Volstead now with his fourth career whitewashing three of
them this season, as the Wild beat the Jets for
the first time in the last ten tries in the
all types season series. They shut out the Winnipeg Jets
here at Caund of Life Center.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Three nothing a.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Miile, gotta love it going to a divisional foes hall
arena and shutting them out. Three nothing to Nila. You're
off getting on the board as well, that's bigger.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Take care you love that, you put them on the
top line. That's what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So all of a sudden, the wild are now twelve
seven and four. They've got twenty eight points, their third
place in the Central Division.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
How about that? Just I don't know completely. So if
the season ends today, we make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Not only you make you make the play not even
a wild card, not a wild card anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, been amazing about it. Now, all that nonsense about
how we got to be careful, we're gonna get buried
too early and it's hard to make up points. We've
already made them up. Think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's been like a perfect month of November after a
just a horrific finish to the last month or the
start of right, correct.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, uh, little ray of negativity? Is the season injury? No,
it's the season ended today.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They'd get the Dallas Stars in the first round of
the playoffs, So.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's not great. But bring them on. They can't. No
one can score exactly. You can't lose if the other
team can't score exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So the while, to answer your question, they play on
Wednesday in Chicago against the Blackhawks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The Blackhawks any good yet? I mean they're getting there
on a skill, yeah, but they haven't really they haven't
really turned it into anything formidable yet. I mean they're
ten to eight in four, okay, so not all. Yeah,
they're better than they were back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
The Duard's good, Ryan Donando is good. Okay, So that's
when there'll be an action next. But all they do
is score goals and shut teams out. And Walstett the
great Wallastain.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Vollstett, Yeah, I get it right.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
There's always one Texter who gets mad at that, like
as if your day's ruined that I said, Walstet.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
There's believing a lot of people who's who pretend to
have their days ruined by things we say, which says
more about them than it does us. It does. That's okay.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So one team in town is waving the flag of
Minnesota saying we're a good team.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's Minnesota Wild right now. That's it. That's all I got.
That's all we got. I mean, that's that's the only
one right now. I mean the Frost just raised a banner.
Lost that night. Now that's not as important as after
having the banner to raise, which is worthy. Gopher men,
we haven't talked men's basketball. We haven't talked a lot
about them. They lost I think to the University of
(03:13):
San Francisco the other day. They had shown some promise early.
Now it seems like to come back to the pack
a little bit, it's going to take a minute. I think,
no question about that. And what was the other Well,
we talked a lot on Sunday about the latest Gopher
meltdown that puts them in a position. Will you double
(03:34):
check for me what the current spread is Gophers hosting
the Wisconsin Badgers. I bet you it's minischool. I'm going
to say, without knowing the Gophers are favored by two.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think if you would have said that even a
month ago, a lot have been preposterous. Yes, but now
not so much. The Gophers are favored by one and
a half. You want a bigger indictment right there.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You're at home against a team that has been awful,
at least until recently, and that's the best you can do.
And I said this Sunday, man, beware a team that
starts feeling you know, it's just been pounded all year.
They got wounds everywhere. They've just been obliterated by their
fan base and everybody, the coach, the whole bit is
getting ripped. And they get a little success going and
(04:27):
they go, hell, yeah, this is fun. We're gonna play
this thing out. So they're not going to play like
a team that's buried, is my point, because they're coming
off better games of a good victory against Illinois most recently.
So this is a dangerous game for the Gophers. The
Wisconsin defense is legit period. Not saying the offense is
(04:48):
on the verge of becoming great, but let's face it,
a lot of offenses have looked good against this Gopher defense.
So this is a if you ask me right now,
I'd say Wisconsin is going to win the game if
I'm being real honest about it. But the point is
it doesn't look like any kind of a mismatch the
way it did just you know, four or five games ago.
And as we talked about, Johnny Athletic, a horrific meltdown
(05:12):
loss for the Wolves against Phoenix. We have yet to
beat a team with a winning record, and Phoenix has one.
Surprisingly no one expected that, but and in fact didn't they.
I think at least the two of their one or
two of their best scorers filed out. We're out of
the game, and and the and the Wolves still found
(05:34):
a way to blow that lead. So we'll find out
this week. Not tonight so much at Sacramento, but then
they're playing Oklahoma City on Wednesday. I think they got
Boston soon. Boston's not the same Boston. They got San
Antonio Davy soon, and of course went by yama Is
still I think expected to be out as well. So
(05:55):
I don't know if you call it a lost weekend
because the Wild you know, are are playing as well
as they are. But outside of that, it's been a
little it's a little sketchy right now. Yeah, very sketchy
right now.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The intro says, just in case you missed it, here's
the top five and five. So I feel like this
fair game, even though it's been a lot of the
show is JJ McCarthy. Kevin O'Connor revealed earlier today in
Concussion Protocol. Now I've seen, you know, monitoring Twitter as
I do, Ben Gestling Kevin Seaffert basically posting all twenty
two's and saying, well, here's where it could have been.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, he said it was going to be late.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Maybe it was this one where he fell over a
little bit and he laid down for a little bit longer.
The conspiracy theorists are on this one.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And it is.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It just smells a little bit, that's all. Well, he
told us on the team plane. So there's just a
lot of weirdness going on with it, and no one
really knows when it happened or why, and concussions are
a weird thing. So but do you think there's any
merit to that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Here's where I think, as I said earlier, the merit
for me am I gonna flat out say they are
inventing a concussion. No, I'm not prepared to go there.
I know it's the cool thing to say. I know
it's what people want to hear. But I will add
that part of the level of suspicion is the way
(07:10):
all of these injury slash sidelinings have gone for the QB,
because we knew nothing about any kind of a knee issue.
Was it knee or ankle for him? I can't rend
his ankle ankle, ankle when he got hurt earlier in
(07:31):
the year, and so it felt weird. That's what led
to some of the conspiracy. So and I even since
in Ben Leeber's comments that I'm not saying Ben either
was saying he's making it up, but almost like, oh,
come on, we know nothing about this, and then now
this is what we hear. Do you know what this
(07:51):
tells me?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Though?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
If JJ McCarthy were playing well, even serviceably, I think
the conspiracy theories go away. Yeah, they have. I think
traction because he has tended to be dreadful, historically dreadful.
So that's what contributes to the conspiracy theories more than
any other element. That's how badly he has tended to perform.
(08:15):
And they go, oh, yeah, they want to sit them
all right? Or does he want to sit I don't know.
Bottom line though, is, and we've talked about this before,
whether you think it's real or invented, availability matters, and
whether a guy is legitimately hurt. If he whether it's
(08:36):
bad luck or bad circumstance, can't be available, then you've
got a problem. Right, And we've seen that happen before
with football players, basketball players, baseball players, etc. So no,
I'm not ready to say they invented it, but I'll
say again, I bet deep down they're relieved that they
have something they can hang their hat on to sit
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them without having to turn it into a you're benching him.
They can with a straight face say the we're responding
to a medical situation. Concussions are taking a lot more
seriously than they used to be and should be. Could
it ever be used as a lever to hide behind?
You like to think not, but anything's possible. But I
do think there's just I thought this last time that realistically,
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at the least they were relieved that they're going to
be able to sit them because his level of quarterback
play is not sustainable right now for a professional team, period.
End of story. And again, don't text me. I know
you got to play him. That's the only way he
gets over it. I understand all those things, but this
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is not This is not just normal rookie or first
time you've played second year, first time you've actually been
out there going through the mot you know, going through
the paces and having some difficulties and having some ups
and downs. This analytically and by eye test is historic,
and it does raise the question of whether he's ready
at all for the whole big deal. Let's do this,
(10:02):
let's pause and when we come back. And by the way,
the Vikings themselves have also contributed to it, with the
way the head coach has has has endlessly come up
with all these terms about what he has to do.
Fundamentally speaking, that makes it seem like he's not close
to being ready. The situation that you most likely or
most you know, I think fairly associate with off season
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improvements that have to be made base, body, balance, eyes, feet, neurological,
what was the term that patterns pathway, pathways, et cetera.
We'll check on lou Nanny's neurological pathways. He is coming
up next here in the Fans about the World Ride
(11:10):
in the World can no Nanny. He is, of course
brought to you by our good friends at camps and
he's a Tuesday regular. But Louie's got some scheduling issues
affecting his UH joining us UH as usual on Tuesdays,
so we moved him up even in a heavy Vikings day,
largely because the Minnesota Wild are the you know, sort
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of saving grace right now when it comes to the
Minnesota professional sports scene. I'm sure we'll talk some football
with him as well. He joins us via the Connectico
Water Systems hotline, Louis, where are you refraid? I know
you told me, but refresh my memory.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I'm a quarterble way to China. I'm in Vancouver.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Ah, there you go. Vancouver. You say beautiful this time
of year. That's always beautiful, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Well, the city beautiful, but yeah, cool, it's about forty degrees.
Oh yeah, and I had a little rise a little
morning when I was walking over to the conference. It's
but it is magnificent city. It's gorgeous. You know, it's
got everything you want to and plus the good restaurants
on top of it all.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So that doesn't ever be it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
No, And I got to come back to More. I'll
be in the flight coming back to the More when
you're on the show.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So gotcha? Yeah, fair enough that that works. Uh, we
may end up talking a little bit of JJ McCarthy
with you again, but I do want to start with
the hockey team. Another shutout. It's I guess this is
the I was mentioning, this is almost the time where
you you, if you're running the team, you want to
probably play every night, right. You want to milk as
much out of what's going on right now. You never
(12:43):
know how long this goes, but you you want to
like embrace it.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
They're doing everything right right now.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
That's right. You feel like you can't lose when you
get going one of these streets, and especially when you
got two goals and it's playing well, and you know,
I'll really concerned about who's going on in the next
you're specting to get a good game to start with.
And then even though they're not healthy, and at times
you'd think, jeez, you got two of the three leading
centers that we had going into the season on the shelf,
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and you just still playing like that. It's a good feeling.
It makes them feel invincible, and it's something quite different
than you got around here. You've come up in Canada.
It's just amazing. You just no matter where are you
going to Canadian City unless they're winning, they're lamenting the team.
And here in Vancouver where they're having a real tough time,
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people are very disgusted. You know, it's twenty some games in,
but they they're ready to cash in the whole season already.
They're talking about Hughes, Quinn Hughes, who's is their best player,
and he's in a situation like the priest out was
in and he hasn't signed yet. So now they're talking
about giving him and having him give them an ultimatum
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what he wants, otherwise he can get out. And they
get kneeling because they can't lose this guy without anything
getting back that much and knowing that he's got two
brothers in New Jersey that the New Jersey kee's talking about,
wouldn't it be lovely? We had him here too, So
a lot of problems in the Caraadian towns with some
of the.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Teams, no question. I you know, it's interesting because I
don't have the quote in front of me. I talked
to Garin about it when we had him on the
other day. This was I think like two shutouts ago
for voalstat where he likened the goalie, likened his improvement
to a belief that last year he felt like he
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was chasing the puck and that he's more in a
mindset of letting the puck come to me, and it
almost sounds like, you know, it's sort of hard to follow.
You say, well, sometimes you have to go to the
puck off your goaltender, you have to react. But what
do you think he means by that, because for him,
it clearly sounds like he feels like me, only he's
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in a much better state in terms of you know
why his goaltending has been much more effective this year.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, it sounds like it's an anxious situation of anxiety,
you're not not really knowing what to expect. You getting
a little like you start believing that you've got to
do something before they do something. But before we get
too far away from that, I want to tell you
it's not just last year. Remember he was done the
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year before in the minors and wasn't burning it up,
and so this is really a welcome turnaround of events
because this is what he was supposed to be when
he was drafted. As we talked about earlier, he was
the all world goaltender, the number one goalie in the
world outside of the NHL, one don they were seeing.
And then he comes into the organization, played a couple
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of years in the minors, and not as bad two
years ago as he was last year. But all of
a sudden they were in a position, remember last year
they're going to go with three goalies. They thought that, yeah,
that's right. They didn't want to leave him down and
they couldn't afford to do that to him. Well, the
little play he had up early wasn't very good either.
They had to send him down. And then I got
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to tell you, they start having some feelings about well
Flurry retires and then Gus got to bounce back better
and this guy gonna be good enough. So they went
from having a tentative unknown maybe having a goaltender problems
and having just this guy looks unbeatable right now. The
way he's playing, he's played with so much confidence and
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so much enthusiasm that seems to be catchy. And it
certainly got catchy with augustuson because he got to play
better too.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, there's no question about that. And I mean, now
we're talking about this, I think maybe as recently as
last week that maybe you know, if you have two
goaltenders going well, maybe it ends up being closer to
fifty to fifty than you have envisioned before the season began.
But there's no concern to me about one having to
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be established over the other. You know, it's the number
one in the way that we do with quarterbacks because
you need to goaltenders. And secondly, maybe later, maybe you
reach the postseason and you there's word, there's discussion debate
about all right, who deserves to start game one or
how quickly you go to the other guy. To me,
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that's where it can legitimately get into debate and conversation
about one guy or the other right now though, it's
all good, right, there's nothing bad about any of this.
It's all to the good.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
It's all to the good. And the point you just
made is something that people don't talk about or recognize
very often. How often have you talked about a quarterback controversy?
And in any team in the NFL, it's usually one
clear in a way, he's the guy, and the second guy, oh,
if we have to go to them, we will, Whereas
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in hockey many times you get a good situation with
two goaltenders. And this is even better than a good
situation because right now the pretty even so they're equal.
As a matter of fact, they're still even right now,
stop and think about it, because you're only a few
months away the Swedish team's got to pick goaltender for
the couple of goaltenner three. Actually, you know for the Olympics,
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well said already he has to projected himself into that
question talk at least because he's played so well. You
keep watching this and it continues to say, how can
he not be there? Football, you don't get that situation.
Get you get the one guy starter and if you
have to go around the football circles with non executives, etc.
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I'd like to know how many people can name the
second quarterback in the football team, whereas in hockey many
people can name that second goaltender.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
A couple interesting stats this is courtesy of Brett Marshall.
That got my attention that I wanted to run by you.
Marcus Johansson has a point in seventeen of twenty three
games this season. Jared Spurgeon has played one hundred and
seventy three minutes fifty eight seconds of five on five
in November across eleven games and has yet to be
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on the ice for a goal against. Those are pretty
interesting numbers right there.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Those are mind boggy numbers and one of the things
that has certainly gone away, But was whispered about before
this when the Wild was in the slump, and you
start thinking, how can they make changes? Who are they
can they make changes with? Some of the names were
thrown around. We're going to be Spurgeon because Spurgeon is
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true such a proven record of being such a terrific
hockey players, still still in good shape, and you know,
it's still got a couple of years left, and so
who can bring anything of value? And his name definitely
was with for whether they want to acknowledge it or not.
And now all of a sudden, you get him played
in the streak like this what you always is almost
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unheard of, the way he's been out there and not
giving up anything five and five and really been one
of the big reasons why this club has started to
stow again, and that it had to pretty quickly, I think,
to spell all the rumors of him moving anywhere. As
long as they eat, he keep going where they're going
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to be a good team the rest of the year. Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We got to take a one quick break, so we're
going to put Louis on hold for a quick segment
and our quick I guess two or three minute break,
and then we're going to come back if you have
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about the Vikings quarterback situation as well, because there is
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a controversy there, and maybe the star to the Max
Brozemer Era at least for one week more. Louis next.
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Louis is indeed back with us. Unfortunately I'm back logged
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Kemp's Dateline Vancouver, British Columbia. As you may know, there's
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a great deal of fear and loathing ongoing regarding the
Vikings quarterback situation. McCarthy was even worse than he had
been the week before, historically bad now analytically even among
young quarterbacks in their first five, six, seven starts. He
is now apparently in concussion protocol. There seems to be
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a good indication that he will not play on Sunday,
although the head coach would not commit, in which case
Max Brosmer would be the starter. The former Gopher quarterback,
do you subscribe to the notion and this could, I
think be true of any sport, including the sport that
you played in and then general managed in that even
if it's a player you believe in that you really
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are going to stay invested in and think has a future,
that there are times when you could be doing the
player a favor in the short run by sitting him,
by taking the heat off for a week or two
when the performance becomes as bad as it is and
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the pressure mounts to the degree that it does, even
if he continues to say all the right things. Is
there ever, is there anything ever therapeutic about sitting a
player that you believe in just to just to you know,
sort of regroup.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's uh, that's a question got to be handled a
lot of different ways. It all depends on the individual
you're talking about. Some youngsters really benefit from something like that,
and and it's their personality allows them to benefit from it,
where others more volatile or fiery or what have you,
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it hurts them more. They they they'd rather be in there,
and and they got the conference and the cockiness of
of a person, and the type of persons that become
big stars when when they feel like that, that that
you know, they want to battle. They they don't believe
that they're in that situation, and they have a lot
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of conference in themselves. So you have to know the individual.
I really believe it. You know, your interactions with that
person while you've been coaching them or been around them
will give you some indication the awa he's going to
react to a situation like that. And and I really
do believe that some will benefit, and I also believe
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some don't benefit. And so it's up to the culture
and manager to decide what type of individual he is.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's a fair point. I mean, that's that's probably you
got to know the player who's involved, et cetera. I
will tell you that here's where I think it can
be really tricky. Maybe in the short run doesn't matter,
but I think there's reason there may be it was
always reasonablieve that in the short term Max Brosmer might
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be more ready to be a quarterback for even a
game or two in the National Football League than JJ is.
He's a couple of years old. In fact, he's twenty
four and a half. He's in turn twenty five. I
think in March been around the block a while. Doesn't
depend on his athleticism, just seems like he's got, you know,
a little bit if he comes across as a little
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bit more of an adult. I don't mean that as
a rip to JJ, but JJ's young. On the other hand,
as you know, your job when you're evaluating talent is
to figure out not only who might be good or
might give you the best chance to win today, but
who's got the best chance to develop into the kind
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of guy that can help you win for a long time.
Right upside that's what we're always talking about, not where
as somebody is now, but where he's going to go.
And that's the tricky part. I could see Brose were
playing better quite frankly, Louie, than JJ did. It wouldn't
really take much at this point, but that I don't
think should be necessarily taken. As we found other guy.
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This is the guy we should be investing in, and
that McCarthy is no longer viable because it's it's a
tricky formula that is about not just the present but
also the future.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
I agree with that. That's why I think that I
think they make a good move in putting broth More
in for that reason, to at least give him an
opportunity to play. And as you pointed out, he is older,
he's got a more seasoned are around him, you know
what I mean, from what he's done, yes, or he's
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been being older, he might be able to handle that
situation and also, just as you said, handling pretty well,
but in the long run, not be the individual that
McCarthy can because you know right off the bat that
he can't throw any harder than McCarthy and you can
run any better. He's a good runner. On top of it.
So he's got he's got some mathematics skills that if
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he honed them, and the biggest, the biggest thing in
any individual, people don't talk about. They'll talk about the
athletic skills, they'll talk about the side, they'll talk about toughness.
Not enough people talk about the mind. It's the mind
that makes the difference. What's going on in your head.
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And now, if if McCarthy's got those skills in the
head then finally get to where the skills are, then
you're going to have a much better player. But if
the mind doesn't get where those skills are. I like
Brousmer's mind. I like the way he handled himself. I
liked the way he came into the university and was
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smart enough to bring the guys around them into him
and into the team and build a bond up that
he had to do quickly. So it's really something to see.
I want to see how he performs in that area.
I think that unfortunately for the Vikings when you look
back now that there was a missed opportunity when he
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didn't go in the game for wins a lot earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
For you're talking about Brosmer, Yeah, right, that could be. Yeah,
I I never understood, uh, you know, once when he
when we talked about it, I think at the time
where he seemed to be in as much pain as
he was in. I know, the comeback was, well, he
can't be any more injury, he can't do any more damage.
But he certainly looked like he was in a great
deal of agony. And uh, and I don't know. I mean,
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there are people there's a lot of conspiracy theories, Louis.
One is there was no indication of a concussion yesterday
and now suddenly there is, and that this is a
kind of a soft benching where everybody's kind of winking
and saying, this is how we can say, we're not
really benching him. It's more about the injury. But if
we can get him off the field. I refuse to
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believe they would they would invent a concussion. I don't know,
but my guess is they probably don't mind that he's
sitting because it it they have a little bit of
interference that is being run for them on the basis
of concussion, because they say, well, it's you know, concussions
people take seriously now, and to that extent, maybe it
takes a little bit of the pressure off and and
Broswork goes in I think pretty loose because expectations are,
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you know, not going to be great for him. But
there's it's it's hard for it to get any worse
than it was against Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
But if it was a wing wing situation, then don't
you think at least I feel that McCarthy would know it?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yes, right, I can't.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I can't picture him agreeing to it because it's still
a benching and whether people I don't think his his
personality is such that he wants to be protected from
criticism as much as he wants to be given the
opportunity to play. And when you when you when you
fabricated uh an injury like that, eventually it's going to
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get up. The word's going to get it really wasn't
an injury or something, and you're taking a you're taking
a heck of a chance, and all of a sudden,
it's so you're protecting the individual, and that makes it
even comfert on the individual because the fans could be
cool the way they react to him after that, they
know they had to pull you out and take a
concussion to keep you.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
A I'm with you on that.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, that's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, it's not why I don't think it's it's worth it.
As I said, I think a case, let's say there
was no concussion protocol. I do believe a case could
be made that even if I am not giving up
on this player that I am, I can be doing
him a service by sitting him for a week or
two and say there's some stuff we want to go
over with him. And the only way we could feel
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like we can do that is to not throw him
back right out on the field. And so that's what
we're going to do. I really do think because my
concern and you know this too, players teammates generally say
the right thing right, and they're going to say, I'm sure,
we're supportive, we're going to be patient. We know this
thing takes time, the human nature being what it is.
Players at some point they're about performance too, right, They're
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not just about words. They're about okay, are we putting
guys out there that even give us a chance? And
I think that's that's part of what you know, the
vikings and what KOC have to guard against, or at
least have to be aware of and pay attention to do.
Is that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
That makes a lot of sense because we've discussed many
times over about the feeling of individuals in a locker room.
How many times have I said, you don't have to
love one or another. Yeah, but that day, that's your brother,
that's who you play for. When you leave the building,
I don't care if you ever see each other again.
And a team is a special bond. And if they're
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in a situation that locker room where where they're getting
the other individuals are getting taken advantage of because they're
not playing the best players. So they they don't want
to say they made a mistake or they whatever the
reason is that they're they're forstering somebody else on that
team and they're not success fall And those guys, you know,
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they got their careers on the line. He got on
the line, They got a lot of things on the line.
They're not gonna they're not gonna take to that very kindly.
They they will stick with a player that's their teammate
as much as they have to, but at the same time,
they're not going to accept somebody going into the lineup
that's not as good as the next guy that should
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be in the lineup without having some feelings about it.
If if they lose the game, they're they're gonna be
in essence thinking that wasn't our best team out there today.
We could have won this game with a little different
So you've gotta you have to always watch. You don't
lose the locker.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Room safe travels back you said, I think you're coming
back tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and we
will we will chat next week.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Thank you, Luigi, all right, look forward sing you.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Thanks you as well. Excellent stuff from Louis as always,
not just on hockey. That's one of the reasons we
love Louie as a regular contributor to this program. We
still have a good, solid half hour to go. That
means more vikings, talking points, some good ones yet ahead,
so we asked that you hang in back in a minute.
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is in the Bahamas. You actually had offered up a
(33:32):
live listening earlier. Go for women's basketball team had I
think its first game in whatever that tournament is named.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Did we win or do we lose? Do we know?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
They beat USF the South Florida Bowls. Okay, fifty seven
to forty five. Fifty seven forty five. Okay, there you go,
five and one on the year they are.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
They should have gotten the one I think they The
one they lost was at Kansas, and Kansas is not
a great team this year. But uh, they're off to
a relatively promising start. We'll see where this thing goes.
But I've never been. Uh, I've never been to the Bahamas.
I you know, I tend to associate the Bahamas with
(34:15):
I know, on both the men's and women's side. I
think there they have holiday tournaments and I think the
Bahama Tournament, Bahamas Tournament, I should say. Maybe it's on
the men's side, maybe they just in the women's. It's
got this exotic blue back lighting that is very unique
to the tournament. I wonder if anybody, well it should
(34:37):
doesn't matter. I'm locked out of our system again, So
don't text me. You can tweet me, but don't text me.
I'm not gonna be You're not gonna be able to
get through at this point. But it looks like it's
in like a ballroom, Yes, exactly, exactly right. It almost
looks like it's, like you say, an auditorium of some
sort rather than a big gym that we associate with that.
So I'm sure he'll eventually file a live report. This
(34:58):
is a tough day for him, as I said, because
he's I'm sure enjoying where he is, but he's been
on the Brozemur Brownstone beat for a while, and the
fact that the story would break that he finally has
the best chance he's had to start a game and
guards these like millions of miles away, you really can't
quite make up. But maybe we'll try to catch up
(35:19):
with him tomorrow because we're out Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday
as well. Let's get to another Vikings talking point, and
my sources saying, because I've not heard the radio play
by play call that it's pretty dramatic what Pa and
or Peter Bursich have to say about a play that
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you could argue pretty much changed everything in the ballgame.
From that this moment forward, the Vikings no longer seemed
all that interested in competing.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Wheelan will let it fly from about his own forty
miles Price heels on the ten end over end production
by Wheeland. Price is going to let it sail over
his head. Nice bounce Bay. At the six, Price ran
in there and touched it.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
It's bouncing about at the five to get them out
of the Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's ridiculous. I mean, this just so ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Seriously, after the special teams l on Devin Duberne last
game and Bryce lets it fly over his head and then,
for whatever the reason, decides to run back by the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
On the field because the pub was touched by the
return team player and.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Subsequently recovered by the kickers first down of Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think didn't he get blocked? Price should have stayed
out of there, obviously, but I thought he ended up
kind of getting blocked into where the ball was headed.
It was just it was a lame brain play all
the way around. And again to that point, I don't
think anybody was raving about the Vikings offense, but it
was still a relatively competitive game, right and that's pretty much.
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Would you have how many yards did you have to
go three?
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Two?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Or do they inside the five? Very close into no time?
You had your run and you didn't need your number
one running back. No, there was not any need to
mess with the number one running back because.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Hirst and goal hand off to Wilson goes up the middle,
runs head first into lee by Drake Rodriguez, but he
will plunge into the end zone for a green Bay
Packers touchdown and green Bay leads six three. The backers
of the seven to three lead first in ten handoff,
Emmanuel Wilson runs to the right side, right into the
(37:31):
back of center Sean Ryan bounces off two Vikings at
the twenty five and he'll forge ahead to the twenty
nine for a run of eleven that should have been
a run of four, and it's a first down for
green Bay. Jordan Love in the short shotgun it's the
pistol formation and Annual Wilson behind him and on first
and ten handoff Wilson, he'll bounce off right tackle Zack
(37:55):
tom and get to the outside forty five forty, but
Tellson's fry passions him down at about the thirty five
yard line. Still they gave him ten, so it's a
first down from the Vikings thirty seven backers leads seventeen
to six. Emmanuel Wilson, he's the tailback and he continues
(38:15):
his career day against the Minnesota Vikings. More on that momentarily,
first and ten, they go to Wilson, jump up right
and he runs right by Eric Wilson across the twenty
to the eighteen yard line for a first down. That's
an eleven yard run. So Emmanuel Wilson now has one
hundred and three rushing yards on twenty three carries. For
Emmanuel Wilson, who is in his third ear from Fort
(38:38):
Valley State, career highs for attempts, rushing yards, touchdowns, and
scrimmage yards. He now has one hundred and twenty one
scrimmage yards and he's first in ten for Green Bay
from the Vikings eighteen leading by eleven ah.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He finished I think the day with twenty eight carries,
one hundred and seven yards, two touchdowns along of twelve.
As we said, and had you even heard of him
before the game, well you probably had, as you're a
packer room yet correct, I'm not saying he's got no talent.
But come on, man, but I buy the notion that
everybody gets worn down when you have a quarterback play
(39:17):
that is historically bad. I think it ends up, whether
it should or not, affecting pretty much everybody. Your guy,
Jordan Love fairly pedestrian numbers right, fourteen for twenty one,
one hundred and thirty nine, no touchdowns, no picks, and
you know, I mean it was a day where your
offense didn't have to do a lot. When the other
(39:38):
qbs twelve or nineteen for eighty seven yards, no touchdowns
and two picks and it's sacked five times. You just
keep playing and you're probably going to be okay, and
ultimately you were a final score of twenty three to six. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Pa asked me, I run the nine and noon program
on Tuesdays when they're out of TCO. And he asked me, downline,
what do you think of Emanuel Wilson? And I just
don't sleep on No. I just said, fine, backup guy
does the job when Jacobs needs, you know, a sip
of water, and then that's his bit. I didn't think
he was capable of that. I didn't think the run game,
as far as the run blocking was capable of that either.
(40:15):
But yeah, when you have love asn't the ac joint
spray on his shoulder? Why why risk it? When it's
the run game is working so well, so they didn't
really ask them to do much.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Didn't neither do much. I'm looking at the NFC North standings,
the Bears and probably after escaping a soldier field with
a victory over the Aarons Rogers less, No, the Pittsburgh
Steelers without Aaron Rodgers. I guess I should say they're
at eight and three, your Packers a half game behind.
(40:45):
It's seven three and one. Detroit is seven and four,
which means that not only are the Vikings in last place,
they are three games out of third place. It's it's
astonishing when you think about it. And for the reck
the Bears eight and three, right, eight wins, three losses.
(41:07):
Their point differential remains minus three. I think that's their
last win of the season. Packers plus sixty one, Lions
plus eighty three Vikings are minus thirty one. The Bears
eight and three minus three differentially. You might be right.
They've got the Eagles on Friday in the Black Friday Game.
(41:29):
I think they've got two games left with you guys.
They've got the Niners and was it one more with
the Lions?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
So Eagles, Packers on the road, right, Browns at home,
which that could be now the SoRs start at the Browns,
but then Packers again, forty nine ers on the road
and then the Lions.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Remarkable. Well, we'll find out in there, we'll find out.
We'll see. Don't get hoty, you're not gonna you haven't
clinched the division yet, my boy, I get it out.
Let's break, come back, wrap things up. Remind you what
we have coming up tomorrow, what you missed earlier today.
Stay durn. It's the Bumper to Bumper Show rap. It's
(42:10):
brought to by American pressure. A number of people had
sent in the video that's being explored of the hit
we did talk about for those who were just joining
the program, we did talk about the one where he
went down hard on a scramble to the left and
almost seemed like flat on his back with his arms
outstretched in a way that I thought indicated he got
(42:33):
nailed pretty good. That's where the speculation is where the
concussion might have taken place, If it is indeed a concussion,
I don't even if that's been ruled that in fact
he's in concussion protocol, which I think indicates at the
very least there's a suspicion of that that he had
expressed some concern I think on the way back according
to Adam Feelen, and then maybe this morning as well,
(42:58):
about some symptoms. Could that have been the play? Yeah,
I think it's it's almost foolhardy to evaluate it on
the base of any play, because it's it's often the
play where you think, oh my god, that looks like
a concussion. There's nothing, and then sometimes a play that
does not that looks relatively harmless for whatever the reason,
(43:18):
the way a head snaps back or the way he
falls ends up being a part of it. I don't
think it's worth going through all that. It's a proud
or film like fashion. To be honest with you, I
don't know what it leads to, because you're never going
to know, and you're never going to convince the conspiracy theorists.
And as I said earlier, if McCarthy were playing more serviceably,
(43:39):
this wouldn't even be a discussion and be like, well, yeah,
that's bad, that's bad luck for him. Now he's playing
a little better, and he got he's in concussion protocol.
The reason it's I think these conspiracy theories have oxygen
is he's playing so poorly that people are concluding that well,
they don't want him to play, or they're looking for
an out, and either he's getingiving them that out, or
(44:01):
they're giving themselves that out with the concussion conversation. And
as I said, I think we already know the most
important issue. We know they miscalculated on the readiness of
this player to be the guy this year in a
(44:22):
way that was going to allow them to at the
same time compete within the division and within the conference.
They miscalculated that. I don't want to revisit all the
other options they had because we've talked about that before,
but I think that's what we already know, which again
is not the same thing as saying he can never
be a franchise quarterback for this team. But he's whatever
(44:47):
vision they had, and they had this vision, trust me
that we could do both at the same time. That
has been proven to be incorrect. And the question is
how vulnerable it makes the people who run this team.
We've talked about the fact that you know, uh, this
we have no playoff wins thus far with this regime,
(45:11):
and you know that starts adding up year after year. Now,
I think obviously the key question moving forward is how
you evaluate him between now and the end of the season,
and he must make enough progress when he does return
to the field for them to start next season or
(45:33):
next off season to say we still think he can
be the guy. I believe. You may already be at
a point where you have to consider the possibility of
bringing in competition and saying we still believe in him,
but we're gonna we're gonna create a little competition this time.
We'll see where this goes. But then that means you
got to find somebody who's willing to sign with you,
(45:54):
who's more than a pedestrian. That is saying, Okay, you
don't have to guarantee me the job either, just give
me a Shane has to compete. That ultimately is the
Daniel Jones route, and to this point it's worked out,
although he's come back to the pack a little bit,
so we'll see. I want to thank our outstanding guest
lineup today, which included Luigi Johnny Athletic, Ben Leeber and
Adam Thielen. All of this podcastable later Tomorrow is Tuesday.
(46:17):
Louis is out, so I'm hoping Kevin Seffert. I'm hoping
we can get him in studio because there's still plenty
of meat on the Vikings bone as well, who knows
what else. Tomorrow, hope you'll join us, and hopefully we'll
have our bratch on Brian Cafe in text line fixed
by that as well. Enjoy the rest of the evening.
We'll talk to you tomorrow. Three
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