Top 5/Bucket List Conversations/Walz Talk - Bumper to Bumper 1/6/25 Hour Three

Dan and Gaardsy review the Top 5 before they discuss a few of the bucket list interviews they want to book in 2026. Dan also spends more time on the Tim Walz news of the week and his concern that Walz and other democrats are failing to learn their lesson with the Minnesota fraud cases.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Just in case you missed it, it's the top five
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
But Migi Guy writes, I first heard of freezing fog
while driving a semi in central Missouri. I too was
befuddled by the term until I hit a patch of
it while driving downhill in town and on a slight curve.
I immediately respected it after that because my drive wheels slipped slightly,

(00:39):
which if carried to an extreme, could have caused me
to jackknife. The only thing worse than driving in freezing fog,
in my opinion, is black ice. So I think what
Bimidgi Guy seems to be saying is respect the freezing fog,
but don't fear it, or maybe fear it as well.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You fear it both.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
It's funny you read that text because I did do
a deep dive on freezing fog to figure out exactly
what it was, and the National Weather Service has like
a definition of it and does say freezing fog can
cause black ice. To form on roadways and it's very
difficult to see. So tomorrow morning four to five is
when we're expecting it.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Tricky.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
It is something you need to pay attention to. Tiny
super cooled liquid water droplets in fog can freeze instantly
on exposed services when service temps are ad or below freezing.
It includes tree, branches, stairs, and rails. Pay attention to that, sidewalks,
pay attention to that, roads and vehicles.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Freezing fog.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
You got no chance? Is what sounds like against you?
I mean, freezing fog sounds undefeated.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Maybe bring an access and maybe bring some equipment home tonight,
might have to do the show.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
So can you can you encounter freezing fog during a
polar vortex or those contradictions?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
In terms I.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Would think you probably could? Isn't a polar vortex? Was
when it was really really cold?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
But isn't a freezing fog and when it's like this
in between times?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Maybe? Yeah? Point, I don't know. We'll see, all right.
Top five?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Where did I want to begin? Let's begin with the
Wild for Kevin Fallness. He's always telling us you never
talking of hockey. Correct, Well, here you go. The Wild
played late last night in Los Angeles and lost to Dada.
I had landed from Michigan at like eleven fifteen eleven thirty,
got in my car after we landed and the game

(02:21):
was on, and so I listened to it and fallness
instead of playing a Bill Garran interviewed during intermission, which,
by the way, way to mail it in an intermission report.
Let's just rewreck Bill Garon from beyond the pod. That
doesn't seem so tell what's going on to the game. Yeah,
he played Kevin Fiala's goal twice. I don't know if
that was a dig at garn You know, why does
it have to be dumba? I don't know if Fawness
is taking shots at the boss. I'm not sure he's

(02:42):
sneaky that way.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
But it was late.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
He probably figured nobody was listening, but I was. Kevin
and I caught the Filla goal twice before you got
to Garin. They got down two to oh, then cut it,
then got down three to one, then cut it. Actually no,
they cut it to two to one and gave up
two empty netters if I remember correctly, in three to
one gave up the empty night or four to two
was the final. It was late by the time I

(03:04):
was watching it as I got home, and they lose
in Los Angeles. As I pull up the standings to
let you know where the Wild are because they're still
in an outstanding position. They are tied in terms of
points with the Dallas Stars, but Dallas has two games
in hand, so they are in second place, Minnesota in
third in the always competitive Are.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
We back home now? Is at the end of the trip.
Didn't Louis say they've got Seattle coming up? He might have.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't even remember. I haven't checked the schedule. They've
got to crack the Wolf schedule or the Wild schedule.
They've got the cracking coming up in a few days.
That's on the road, and then they return home. It
looks like against the Islanders on January tenth. Believe that
would be Saturday.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Wolves are back in action tonight against the Miami Heat,
a game you can hear on the Timberwolves channel of
your iHeartRadio app. They are on the Timberwolves channel because
the Gopher men basketball team's taking on Iowa nineteenth ranked
Iowa tonight at Williams a renegill hear that pregame show
at six point thirty immediately following us so the Wolves
and Heats are on the Timberwolves channel of your iHeartRadio app.

(04:11):
Anthony Edwards was downgraded on the injury report to questionable
and the reason was right foot injury maintenance. Basically, I'm
going to pull up the exact verbage, but right foot,
right foot injury maintenance.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
As the Wolves return home.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
By the way, I believe Tyler Hero is slated to
return after missing the last eleven games with a toe injury.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
So I think he's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Be back in the lineup tonight for Miami, because when
we beat Miami the other day, I don't think he
was in that lineup. That was a good performance by
the club, that was rebounding, that was coming off the
disturbing performance against Atlanta. Right where Anthony Edwards leaves in
the middle of the fourth quarter and Rudy Gobert postgame
was about as frontal as I think any Wolves player

(04:57):
has been on the subject.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
We do we care about this? Are we into this? Whatever?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
They can just want to live a good life and
make a lot of money and not win.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Bleep.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Now did you tell me we have Mike Conley on
tomorrow or Wednesday. Tomorrow, Wednesday, that's I would explain it.
Three thirty tomorrow, Mike Conley will join I'll get to
get caught up with him. So hero In Edwards, we
just don't know yet, right exactly? Yeah, right foot injury
maintenance is the word for it. And so did you

(05:26):
see what happened to your favorite NBA team, OKAC last night?
In Okac they got crushed by somebody rushed by Charlotte
by like thirty So all of a sudden, all they
do is lose. I don't know what's if it's boredom, Well,
you know what happens if it's injury or do you
think they're not getting.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Any foul calls? Have you heard the theory? What's that?
You're gonna love this? Obviously you do. I can tell her. No,
I don't. I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
But it is funny how timberloves Twitter and NBA Twitter
take on.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
A life of their own.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yes, since Finchy got tossed in the Oklahoma City game,
you know, two minutes in right, which, by the way,
I don't even think I told you I ended up
going to that game at halftime. Oh, is actually with
my buddy, with my buddy Todd, because I don't know,
I was caught up in Finchy's eyes.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm like, I stand with finch Yeah, I'm going I
want to show my solid area.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, it was an eight thirty tip. Yeah, why not?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Everybody was sleeping at our house, everybody was asleep at his.
So let's go to the name great night, went to
the loon, saw Tim mahoney.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was the best.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, since that moment the thunder a five and five boom.
There it is, and they're not getting the whistle. Shay's
not going to the line as much as he as
he had been going. So people have made that a
clear line of delineation.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So basically, well, I would say that maybe there's some
truth to it, but I would say to the head coach,
watch your own bobber a little bit, why don't we
why don't you see if you can work that magic
on your own team's consistency. I know our overall record
still isn't there, like thirteen and five since Thanksgiving, but
it's it's I think it goes back to how you
view individual losses and individual victories.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, So that that's pretty funny. That is funny.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
People are saying Finch the change, the whole changed, the
whole history of everything. By the way, hoops type reporter
Guy It mentions that the Wolves are among the teams
that are monitoring, sniffing the Trey Young situation.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, I I don't love that. I don't either. I
I don't think they have to do something. Probably you
got to decide how big you want to go, and
if you're gonna go big, which big guy do you want?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I I don't love that. I think that would be
more disruptive. He's talented, but I think he's and he
will move the ball some.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
But I that doesn't excite me.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Maybe I'm wrong, because I mean, there are people who
think Trey Young gets too much heat.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
But I'm I'm I'm not in on that.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I I would almost prefer something a little smaller. You
know a name that I've heard. I meant to ask
Johnny about him. Do you remember us drafting a guard
named Chris Dunn. Yes, So there are a couple of
people who said Bibbs loved him. Yes, And of course
the problem with him early was he good shoot right,
But he's become a better all around bench player. He's

(08:08):
a two way player for sure, get in all kinds
of problems. Yeah, starting him, he's viewed as one of those. Okay,
it's not a spectacular move, but what have we talked about?
Their bench is thin because the young guys haven't been
consistent as contributors, and obviously the Vincenzo is no longer
coming off the bench, and Naw is excelling in Atlanta,

(08:30):
and that he represents a Gnaw like move right where
you get a role player, rotational player who you can
put out there for important minutis minutes because of his
ability to guard and has become good enough offensively that
he might be at a valuable piece to the rotation.
He's not going to be a star, but we've never

(08:53):
really replaced Nikiel so far. So that's another name that
I'll try to run by. Johnny maybe Worth keep an
eye on. I think he's.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I believe he's out West if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
But in any case, that's another name that's that's been
that's been at least mentioned, that wouldn't I don't think
you don't have to break that. It's not, you know,
on the level of Atlanta guy, right, where you have
to necessarily break the bank to get him.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, Chris Dunn has carved out a really nice career.
He plays for the Clippers. Clippers, that's what I thought.
They're actually playing better. I think that they had been. Yes, yes,
that's true. They beat the Warriors by a point yesterday.
Steve Kerr lost his mind, got tossed. I don't know
why Kerr is also getting ripped.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
He didn't he have some kind of quote basically saying,
let's face it, we're not We're not going to beat
the best teams in this conference. We're just not as good.
Some people are saying, well, that's just him being honest,
and others are saying, well, if you're playing on that team,
is that too much of a concession. Is that what
you really want to hear out of your head coach?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I don't know if that's him playing Phil Jackson like
mind games with his own team to motivate them, or
what we make of that.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Sixty three year old John Harbaugh was relieved of his
duties as the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens today.
He led the Ravens for eighteen seasons, was the second
longest active tenured coach in the league behind Mike Tomlin,
who just beat him on Sunday night. Tomlin's been with
Pittsburgh nineteen years. Harbaugh came the next day or next year,
I should say. Ranks twelfth for most all time wins

(10:21):
by a head coach in NFL history with one hundred
and ninety three and won the Super Bowl with Joe Flacco,
Matt Burke and others in twenty twelve with Baltimore. The
statements have been released by both sides, the ownership and
John Harbaugh won't read all of them. But they love
each other, they respect each other. John Harbaugh has gratitude, admiration.

(10:43):
Wishes it was a different statement today, but that's football.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, you do end up getting fired no matter how
legendary you become. Yet it was I think pretty jolting,
even though some had speculated that it was a possibility.
It's still jolting when it happens.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Is that five? It is about and a half. Yeah,
that's a pretty good list.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
That's close enough. We're wide open. The rest of this program.
Lots of ground to cover some a section material that
I think we're kind of forced to wade into again
and We'll get back to some controversial texts as well.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Please hang with us.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Do you hear the while they wrap up the Long
Road Trip Thursday as they face off with the Kraken
in Seattle puck Drop just after nine? You can hear
every goal, every save, every game changing moment right here
on your Home for the Wild k.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
F A M. Are you ready for your pop quiz?
I guess I have to be.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
When I think of the date January sixth, there are
two anniversaries that immediately pop into my head, one of
them more recent than the other. Let's start with the
more recent. Yep, here's your quiz question. Who spoke on
that date? Jan six, twenty twenty one? These words? There

(12:14):
is nothing patriotic about what is occurring on Capitol Hill.
This is third world style anti American anarchy.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
All right, I'm gonna guess it's it's got to be
someone like Marco Rubio.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
He nailed it, Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio. Who's the other guy? Marco?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, Lil Marco. Who's the guy? Lindsay is it Lindsay Graham?
Lindsey Graham.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, here's the other guy.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
There's some other guys that have kind of turned Marco
Ruby Marco Rubio too good five years ago today?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Now you want to go back a little bit further
and a little less polarizing, I think twenty seven plus
twenty six, fifty three years ago on date Jan six,
nineteen seventy three. Can you name the song that went

(13:08):
to the Billboard Hot one hundred number one on that date?
It's got to be What's going On? No, that's a
good guest, though. It's the Carly Simon classic. You're so vain.
I bet you think this song is about that shit.
The song that begins, I think she kind of whispers
son of a gun. In the old days, we could

(13:28):
play the song. I don't know if we can anymore.
I don't want to risk. You walked into the party
like you were walking onto a yacht. Your hat strategically
dipped below one eye. Your scarf it was apricot. How
about that for rhyming? It's pretty good. You had one
eye in the mirror as you watched yourself.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Gavat. Would you look up the word gavat?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Gav Otte, Gavat and all the girls dreamed that they'd
be your partner. They'd be your partner, And that's the
refrain you're so vain now. I think Carly Simon has
acknowledged it was a huge hit at the time. Yeah,
song you still hear occasionally, you can for sure Scheraochi Knights.

(14:12):
For sure, there's no doubt about that bar. So did
she not say that that song was about Warren Batty
or did it end up? Did she later say it
was about two or three different people, among them Warren Batty?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And I think she had a minute Warren Batty, you know,
had a minute with a lot Sworn's mouse.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
But I think that's the name that generally comes up
on that song.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Gavat, by the way, before I look at Warren Batty
a medium paced French dance popular in the eighteenth century.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Have you ever gravatted? Not intentionally? Yeah, to your knowledge,
very possible.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I've devoted more than I care to admit, but I've
never done it on purpose.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Speaking.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
It takes its name from the folk dance of the Gavat,
the people of the Page, the Gap region in the
southeast of France. I'm sure Louie's been there. I gavded
with Dan Bowman at the General manager's meeting. Gavat, No
never gavoted, Yeah, Carly Simon. Some people speculate it could

(15:19):
be about Mick Jagger or David Geffen, but Warren Beatty
has been confirmed as inspiring the second verse. But then
there's a couple other subjects that are apparently secret, so
it is about several self absorbments.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
The best line I think in the song is you
probably think this song is about you? Yes, it's is brilliant,
it's good, perfect, It's just you can't. You can't improve
upon that lyric for a popular music song, for sure.
How do we feel she made some money off that one?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I think she still probably is. How do we feel
about people like Carl Simon or more modern day Taylor Swift? Oh,
basically just taking a relationship and making it product? Well,
is that part of the deal when you date Somebody's
a good question. I think John Mayer did it about
Justice Simpson too?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah? Often? Well did what about Alanis Morris? Set? Oh? Yeah? David? Yeah?
Was that who that was?

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, that's the rumor Uncle Joey on full House, which
I'm not sure what she ever saw.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
In him to begin with. Yeah, that's another story and.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
No shaded coolier but wow, not sure now some people
are saying it was James Taylor, but I don't think.
I mean, she was married to James Taylor, now, wasn't
she not? I think so, But I don't. I don't
think it was about I mean, and she's been very
like she did one of those Dan Rather interviews that
goes deep yep, and the conversation. Yes, she laid it

(16:49):
out about.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know, the difficulties with James Taylor and some of
the addiction and so forth, the chemical issues that he
had to fight through. I don't think it was about
James Taylor. I don't. I a number of I mean,
everybody's guessing.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
But that's the beauty of the song actually, right, is
that if you want to have a little bit more
mystery to.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Interpret it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. However, however, you
want to get to it.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
So if we had, if we had Carly Simon, On,
would you ask that question, would you try to get
to the bottom of it?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well? I would, but I don't I feel foolish doing
it because obviously that's going to be the first question
she gets from everybody. I would try to come at
it from the side a little bit somehow, because and
in that interview she might have, I don't remember if
she addressed it.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
In that particular conversation. Is he still doing those? I
think he still is. I think he doesn't. Yeah, the
other day, who was it with? It was with I
can't remember the name of the actress. But he's sort
of gone that direction where he's not interviewing politicians anymore.
He's interviewing pop culture people. But it but ones that
go way back.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
He did a great one a number of years ago
with a former guest from the Bumper to Bumper program,
Greg Alman. That was very where Greg invited him in
to his abode in.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Georgia, and it.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Was outstanding because he gets more than a minute with
these folks, right Dan, he's Neil. He did one with
Neil Young that was I think most of those are
on is it Axio?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
No? What's the is it axios?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Access channel? Oh? Access channel? I can't remember the name
of it. I think I've seen. I don't know what
number that is, but I think he's done. How old
do you think Dan Rather is.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm going to guess that Dan Rather, well, Dan Rather
has to be I'm going to say eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
According to Wikipedia, he's ninety four ninety four.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, I guess that makes sense because he was, you know,
his big break was a candidate assassination, so he was
already must have been in his twenties at least then
in nineteen sixty three, So perhaps that makes some sense,
you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
This conversation is reminded me now that the calendar has
turned and we have no playoff football and we will
have seasonal boost with the Wolves in the wild, we
think we've got to we got to spend some time.
You got to give me the Barrero bucket list, because
we got to start. We got to start trying to
track some of these people down that we want to
talk to that we haven't had any.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I think. So we just talked about it on the show,
maybe journaled about it. Maybe tear those pages out of
the journal. That's very likely.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, and maybe the audience can say, who do you
want to hear Dan have a conversation with?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Who would be a good match? Email us with that?
Excuse me is you get people's hopes up, and then
it's going to be hard to deliver it. We won't
promise everything, but we might as well try. Yeah, well
we might as well try a little bit. Yeah, it's
it's a good idea. It's definitely worth you know, it's

(19:55):
okay to dream.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
I still have to figure out I have not been
able to get Magic Johnson, and I've tried a lot
of different ways.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Irvin. Yeah, he was just he looked terrific. He was
the I think it was the Rose Bowl parade. Yes,
he was, And then he did the coin it was
with was on the field for the ceremonial ceremony coin toss.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
You look like a million bucks, did he not? Yes,
looks like he's lost some weight yep. And uh, by
the way, and I'm not judging, you know, because a
lot of people they go, is it we go?

Speaker 3 (20:22):
V we'll go. There's a lot of these drugs you take, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Is there is there a rule in Madison Avenue if
Madison as Avenue still exists that if you're doing making
a commercial about any of these medical products, not just
related to losing weight, but any of them, that they
have to be musical.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
They all are.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, all it's all about a catchy musical song or
mantra or theme on every one of these commercials regarding
the product. Whatever the product might be whatever affliction it is,
either easing or correcting it. We're a long way from
like Wilford Brimley for Quaker Oats. Somebody wants us to
bring back Cato and Kilboy. We haven't had kilbourn on

(21:05):
in a while. That's not a bad thought. Or Cato
and you told me this is an amazing pairing, Yes,
of two once upon a time.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Pretty. I guess you could say consistent contributors on the
Bumper Bumper program that I would never Well, I guess
I shouldn't say never put together because maybe now where
they are politically and they're pretty aligned in no other way,
do you think of one and say, well, yeah, I
could see him with that person. Yeah, you tell me.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
At the Rose Bowl, Yes, that Dan Dakich's best friend
was Kato Klein.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
They went to the game together because the k Train,
as he's told us, lives in a quiet little town
in Los Angeles area called Teluca Lake. Oh, Teluca Lake,
which is near Pasadena. Yes, and Dockits was obviously out
there to support your hoosiers and their buddies.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah. They.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I think Cato was on one of Dockach's shows yesterday
or today because he's been on now over the years,
and somebody sent Dockage the same sentiment that I know
I had and others had when we had kto on
what about ten years ago. Never, in my wildest dreams.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Were you were you were like you were praying that
I would reconsider. Basically that was I admitted I was wrong. Yeah, no,
you did.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
My instinct on that was not correct, and mostly just
because I didn't I didn't know what the point of
it was going to be. But then it became real quick,
real clear that it was going to be fun because
K Train's got like the best energy of anybody. Absolutely,
he just has such a fun vibe about him, so fun.
He's one of those guys who you go in with trepidation,

(22:48):
and whatever trepidation you have, he destroys.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
It immedia and it was immediate. You view yourself as
a cynic, but I'm supposed to be all that.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
He's just too much fun to hang on to whatever
that because sarn is you. He's got to let it go.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's the K Train. Yeah yeah, and so but somebody
texted Dockage. Never, in my wildest dreams, if you would
have said twenty five years ago, Dan Dockis is going
to be hosting a radio show and Kato Kalen is
going to be the guest. I never would have seen
that coming, and that's how a lot of people felt.
I think we got that text dozens of times. Can't
say I ever thought Kato Klen would be a regular.
That's the beauty talking packers, brewers, whatever it is. And yeah,

(23:24):
he's a beauty. He's an absolute beauty. People have their
own bucket list. Who listened to the show so far?
I've gotten Antoine Winfield, Bobby or junior or senior for Winfield. Well,
that's a good question. Do both or both? Kato Kalin
back the big knocker? That's really not I mean, that's
we love them, but that shouldn't be that tough to book.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Uh. Sarah Spain is.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
With Tim Wallas is being offered up as well, which
is well, he might be gettable soon.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
He actually might be gettable. That's very he's on the
excuse tour.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Somebody did suggest because I was lamenting having to do
some best of last week. And it's hard this time
of year because we have a couple of days back
to back and frequently one or both of us is
gone and the show is not what we would call evergreen.
At this time of year, everything is pretty topical, so
best of is tricky. And multiple people suggested that we

(24:18):
re rack the Sarah Spain conversation, which we used I
think three times a memorial. I appreciate that they were
paying attention. We did not for the regular one. I'll
give you one for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
That wasn't a name that's been brought up on a
different context or in a different context.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Don Henley, okay, I would.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I mean, he strikes me as all those guys, who's
almost impossible. But if we're talking, you know, that's the
whole point of the list.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
For me. See, that's the weird thing for me.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
There's probably more music people than there are sports people,
which is fine, which is fine, and you know that
might be you know, the way to go. But he's yeah,
I and Henley strikes me as all those guys. You
got to get him at the right moment, and if not,
it could go pair shape. But and it may be
at this point very difficult to get somebody like that

(25:10):
at all. I don't know the last time he's been interviewed.
I've said bos Skaggs before, but my hesitation there is
I've never heard a good Boss Skaggs interview.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Maybe that's a challenge. How that would be the challenge? Yeah,
because he just he just doesn't you know.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
If you some of these aging musicians who used to
pride themselves on being cranky about that whole process, they
reach a point where they kind of let go and
they're maybe even missing some of the attention, and then
they become outstanding because if they've been in music as
long as guys like bos Skaggs has, and they've done

(25:46):
has done the different kinds of music that he has,
then they got all kinds of great stories they could tall.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
He worked with some of the all time greats. He
spent and he was around the Alvin Brothers for a
long time, going way way back. But that's what You
never know which way it's going to go. But maybe
it would be worth worth trying a number of others
coming in, Uh Frank Turkington, which may or may not
be somebody and on the joke, I'm not sure Jerry

(26:12):
kill oh, uh, we could get Jerr Jesse Ventura. Chris
Hockey is being offered up as well. The is he
a difficult get? No, it is hawk a difficult get.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
The only the only time it's problematic to get Hawk
is a lot of times he's taking a nap during
the only time.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I mean, he tends to text us when we talk music, yes,
which makes sense, and he and and he'll come up.
What was the last time? It was something about a
guitar chord? I can't remember what it was. Coach Barrero
is being offered. How's her squad doing? By the way,
I was thinking about that. It's the rebuilding here. They're
up and down. We saw them when she won the
consolation bracket of for holiday tournament but lost early. So

(26:55):
they're about I think they're five hundred dish right around there.
They got kind of a waste. How about Zoom, Well,
that's a big one. We have tried that. I know
you've tried a lot that. That would be disastrous, probably too,
Chris Collinsworth. Yeah, Doc Donaldson calling the hotline as Kenny Petera,
Chris Carter and Sam Mitchell at the same time would

(27:16):
be great. He got himself into Twitter war. Did you
see the the Doc Donalds in Twitter War? He got
himself which day. Yeah, he's a mess.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, I actually don't disagree with him. About the latest
because they had to do with the stupid uh taunting pills.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yes, the quarterback got Garnett. That's the top, and I
think that'll happen. Yeah, I hope.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I think we'll get that done whenever he comes back.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
All right, let's pause and let's hit some a section stuff,
you know, the I think the Winter Olympics are scheduled
to start pretty soon, are they not?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah? A couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. Well,
the good news is, I think to a certain extent,
the Winter Deflection Olympics have already begun. We'll explain.

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Speaker 2 (28:28):
Can you guys explain that Sarah Spain bit a little
bit more? I remember listening to the interview at the time.
Things she was entertaining. Did she get a lot of
negative feedback or something? It's a fair question why, because
it did. I mean, we got along. Yeah, it was good,
and it was I think it went well.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
It did well. It went that's the bit. It went
so well. We played it forty two times, and I
don't remember if it was Memorial Day weekend best of
or fourth of July, whatever it was, but there was
a week we had best of and then we had
best of Sermons and it got replay there, and I
think we had another best of for some reason or

(29:03):
something where it was essentially played like three times in
the span of five days. So if you turned on
the fan any point during those five days, you heard
that conversation multiple times. That's how good we thought it
was originally. Yeah, and so that was kind of a bit.
It was a sermons back to back and then it
may have been like Memorial Day Monday that it was

(29:24):
also on, and so we played it back to back days.
I'm not sure you had to really be dialed in
to hear it all those times, but Sue, it's one
of my favorites. By the way, I need to mention
to you because we've not really talked a lot about
any of this stuff on air or off air, so

(29:45):
I end up getting a hit yesterday on Oh Yeah,
National TV. Conlin McShane, Right, Colin McShane, who we had on, right, Yeah,
I should say conn Knell, No, Connall.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I'm sorry I keep mispronouncing the name.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I fortunately pronounce correctly during the interview Connell because we'd
had him on what two or three months ago.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Or is it longer now? It was longer than that,
but yes.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And he's so it's News Nation is the name of
the station, and they're they're the national cable network. That's
attempting to kind of, you could say, try to offer
up a little less of the automatic identification that Fox
is right and MSNBC has left correct, right. I think
with some success. I don't know if commercially they're doing well,

(30:30):
but I think they've got good shows.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
They've been around now for a while. I really do.
I hope they're there. They are able to get a
toe hold in there.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
And so somehow you hooked me up, so you have
we have some contacts.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yes, good friend of mine works there. Yeah, it works there,
and so naturally it was a technological disaster for me. No.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, but we got through it because what happened is
I didn't I wanted to do it to my iPad
and I hadn't downloaded is it zoom no meeting or
whatever it was that I needed to do their link
and then I couldn't my passwords, so we ended up
doing it via my phone, trying to sort of like,
you know, prop up my phone, which is not ideal

(31:10):
for them, but we unless we got through it.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
My sources say they love you.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
He was good and and Connall is easy to talk
to you at his job, so tell him, yeah, anytime,
anytime they need some. And this was the governor Wallas
was a subject obviously yesterday that that turned national.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, my sources say they they loved it good and
strong indications they think Cuomo might try to steal you
from Connall. Really, I would love that kind of There
might be a bidding war for Berrero. Yeah, there may
be a bidding.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
He's still doing Chris Cuomo is still doing a show. Right,
he's the one at nighting guy. Yeah, he's a guy
at night. And he's also attempted to sort of remake
himself from being viewed as well, you're lefty guy in
CNN and right, and now you're trying to sort of
reinvent yourself with I think some success.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
I think I'm essentially an associate producer for News Nation.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Now that's not a bad gig because we also hooked
him up.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
With Brian McClung, who has been on a lot with
those guys. I didn't set this one up, but it's
funny because I got a text yesterday in Michigan from
Pete Nigerian who said, was Dan just on with Conor McShane.
He goes, I'm on right now. Right, he was on
like thirty minutes after you. So he jumps on a
lot there too, So it's good.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's fun. Seven to three guy writes, Don Henley is dead.
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I just googled him. Glenn Frye, Yeah, sadly passed along.
I think Don Henley is very much it's still very
much alive. Alan Page is coming up understandably. Yeah, and
we're probably you know, we talked about trying to get him.
In fact, I still owe him a book recommendation, the
name of a book that I have to He might

(32:50):
have to be the middleman there to bring to his attention.
Henley's alive. He's seventy eight. Bob Dylan, Yeah, I can't
even imagine. I think that might even be beyond you. Yeah,
that's one where. And I'll be honest, I don't know
that I even have. I don't consider myself. I'm not
a Dylan hater. Well I could, I could do it.

(33:11):
I there. I am fascinated enough by what he represents
that I that I think I could try some stuff
with him. But you know, he's one of those guys.
You don't know if you're going to get anywhere with him.
You know what I'm saying, I do Where were we?
Oh well this is all uh deflection flection Olympics. Yeah,
and again, as each day goes by, I got to

(33:35):
be honest with you. I know I'm not one of us.
So I'm still not qualified I guess to make this assertion.
But as each day goes by, I'm less and less
optimistic that we're going to learn the important and fundamental
lessons from the land of ten thousand scandals and ten

(33:56):
thousand fraud cases.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I I'm because it's.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
We're falling into the trap that's very convenient politically and
wats the trap that the governor continues the card he
continues to play today. Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not perfect.
I'm not perfect, but those damned Republicans. How dare they
try to make the political hay that they want.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
To out of this thing? And I'll tell you you
can do that.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You can continue to play that game as long as
you want. But in doing so, you're not giving I
think any of the moderates or even the Democrats who
are angry about the series of scandals, any hope that
we're going to learn anything from this because you cannot.

(34:49):
Can we blame I'm going to read you a few
comments and you tell me if we can blame the
I guess you could say, once again the Republicans for
the scope of fraud that has been laid out so

(35:09):
eloquently from the US Attorney's Office via two different individuals,
one of whom might be back on the show tomorrow,
Andy Lueger, And.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I'll read you again.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Allegedly, we've been told that the folks who are have
the job of Minnesota Legislative auditor. Historically, I think has
that person, male or female, has been viewed as above
the politics of it.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
We're technicians.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Our job is to evaluate how well our systems of
checks and balances are working when it comes to the
theft of money and pointing out regardless of whose feelings
are going to get hurt. What we are not doing
particularly well. And I'm looking at this is a piece.

(36:10):
Let's see if I can find the right one here.
I had several.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
This was.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Written by the former Legislative Auditor Jim Nobles, and he
had a this goes back to again, let's remember now
this goes back to October twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, so this is well.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Before you could say this has become all politicized and
the Republicans it's a gotcha game, et cetera, et cetera.
And in his piece, this appeared in the Star Tribute,
a commentary and it starts out with an illusion of

(36:52):
a recognition of a piece. Rochelle Elson did an interview
with the current Minnesota Legislative Auditor, Judy Randall, and he
tries to be optimistic early in the piece, saying that
in the story there was a ray of hope that
the Walls administration is maybe finally doing something about the
problem of fraud in Minnesota government programs.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
And he writes, this is good.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
News because, make no mistake about it, the theft of millions,
maybe billions of tax dollars from Minnesota programs resulted not
just from the actions of fees, but also from the
failure of state executive officials to implement basic financial safeguards
recommended in numerous audit reports for several years. Let's go
back to the current, said auditor. Let me get the

(37:41):
quote I'm looking for here. This comes from Judy Randall,
and we talked about this at the time. Over the
past several years, Legislative Auditor Judy Randall said she's noticed
stated agencies becoming less receptive to audits critical of their work.
I've seen increasing rejection of our findings and recommendations or
denial or dismissiveness or excuses. By the way, Randall's worked

(38:04):
in the office for twenty six years, there's definitely a
shoot the messenger feeling.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Now that's undeniable.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
And not political, and so we can forget all that conveniently.
And while those dirty Republicans, look what they're doing with
this thing, look at the way they're exploiting it.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
And I won't even.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Disagree with some of the exploitation, but that doesn't change
the story.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
And if we fixate only on that, we ain't going
to learn the lesson.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
We're not going to make it any better. It's not
going to get any better than it has been obviously
over the course of the last twenty twenty five years.
Here's what Nobles also writes, as we know from investigations
and prosecutions, particularly by federal officials, the significant number of
people in these organizations we're not serving. They were stealing

(39:00):
not just from taxpayers, but also from families in their
own communities. As a result, families, particularly Somali families, did
not receive the food, childcare, or other state funded services
that they needed.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
In that taxpayers paid for.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
State officials, particularly in the Minnesota Department of Human Services,
bought in other departments as well, allowed community organizations to
administer important programs without first verifying that they were trustworthy.
Then state officials failed to verify claims from these organizations
that they were serving hundreds, even thousands of people in
their community. And while executive officials were obviously negligent, less

(39:35):
obvious is the fact that some key legislators tried to
minimize the fraud problem and shield the Department of Human
Services and the Walls administration from criticism. Example, when the
Office of the Legislative Auditor issued a report on childcare fraud.
The then share of the House Human Services Committee dismissed
the report and the problems, saying there's always going to
be fraud, and she refused to ALLOWLA to present its

(39:59):
report to the committee. In addition, a chief House supporter
of publicly funded childcare subsidies criticized the OLA report for
referencing prosecutions that had proven fraud in the childcare program.
The references were unnecessary and harmful, he said, think about
that for a minute.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
That's got nothing to do with any exploitation.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
That's part of how we ended up in this stupid,
indefensible position in the state of Minnesota that we happened
to be in. As like minded House members joined in
criticizing OILA for investigating allegations of fraud in human service programs.
I met with Speaker Melissa Hortman. As always, she was

(40:41):
thoughtful and supportive of oila's work, but acknowledged that some
members of her caucus were upset. They felt that OILA
reports were subjecting human service programs to too much criticism,
particularly programs administered by Somali community organizations. The Speaker said
that as a former county prosecutor, she knew the fraud
Ola was addressing was real and needed to be investigated.

(41:03):
She did, however, acknowledge that House committee chairs had been
instructed not to give Ola reports about fraud any public
hearings he finishes. This is Jim Nobles, Minnesota's legislative auditor
for thirty eight years, who retired in twenty twenty one. Thankfully,
some government officials, especially at the US Attorney's Office and

(41:25):
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, did not seek to hide
the Minnesota government fraud problem be aggressively investigated and prosecuted,
and I applaud their willingness to hold people in organizations
accountable for their text or their theft of tax payer
of money. Yes, they were just doing their job, but
they deserve appreciation because state officials refuse to do theirs.
Those are the facts, So you can if you're a lefty,

(41:47):
you can get off all you want on. Yeah, I'm
glad Walls fired back. I'm glad he's standing up for himself.
By the way, I would say, if Governor Walls wants
to play the game he's playing now, which is victim,
Why are you bowling out?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
You're trying to have it both ways.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
As far as I'm concerned, then if there's no admission
that this isn't just about the politics of the situation,
but about the way you conducted your administration during this
period of time, that might have exacerbated the problem, might
have extended these fraud cases and nurtured the concept that

(42:30):
it was too easy to steal money free money in
the state of Minnesota, then hang in there, why are
you out at all? There was another item that got
my attention. If you go back far enough to a
childcare substy fraud. This goes back to two thousand and nineteen.

(42:53):
MPR quoted the then share of the House's Human Services Committee.
We need to be very careful when we start accusing
people and accusing entire communities really of being less than
concerned about where our public money is going. Now you
know where that's going, and that's been proven. And Andy
Lueger has brought this up with us many times on

(43:16):
this show. He may in fact be with us tomorrow
on other subjects, although it seems like it's always going
to be a little bit on this subject. In effact,
what that's saying is, you keep going down this road,
you keep trying to make these accusations or even do
these investigations, We're going to have people.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Calling us racist, and I'm going to call you racist.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And part of the fear that cudgel in this case
was used to affect the effectiveness of these investigations of
getting to the truth. And as Luger has said, our
job is to follow the story, follow the facts of

(44:01):
a case, regardless of who may end up being implicated.
And if we have to back off because of the
concern that we are prosecuting or attempting to prosecute too
many people of color, if that's what guides us, then
we're the idiots because in effect, we're making it easy

(44:24):
for it to happen again and again again. And it's
precisely the trap that we fell into here too easily.
And all of this, I think again almost everything I've
quoted here comes from current The current auditor and the
previous one that had historically in this state have been
viewed as bipartisan or kind of above the politics. We

(44:47):
don't care who's in power. We're just here to try
to save, to see if if proper safeguards are in place.
And as we mentioned reading the UH from what Judy
ran handle had to say. In fact, I think one
of these comments she made she actually made.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
I want to say it was during a hearing.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I'm not exactly sure, but when she says over and
over again that we're just not being listened to the
same there's too much defensiveness ongoing here that we have
seen as a pattern that's been developed. And again, does
that all fall on the hands of the governor. No,

(45:29):
it's much more complicated than that, but it is his administration.
There are a lot of people, clearly who were trying
to put the brakes on investigations that we now see
were utterly crucial to preventing or at least trying to
lessen an historic, unprecedented level of fraud. And there may

(45:55):
be lefties who are saying right now, well this is
old Newsdann. Why you bringing up for a very specific
reason that I just laid out, Because the game that's
already started is you can see it. Well, yeah, there
are a few things that went on, but look at
what these Republicans are doing with it.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
And I'll say again, you can feel sorry for yourself
that way.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
If you're a lefty, you can you can go down
that road and wallow in it, and I won't even
disagree with some of the exploitation and even some of
the misinformation that is made.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
It's that it's too easy to come out at this point.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
But let's go back then, Let's let's calm ourselves, and
before we allow the governor to turn himself into a
martyr and into a victim, let's remember what the professionals
were warning year after year after year about safeguards ain't working.

(46:48):
You're you're you're not being tenacious enough, You're too afraid
if you're running these businesses, these programs which are meant
to help people. In many case this is people, including
people of color, and you're not taking seriously whether the
money is getting to where it's supposed to, or whether
people are exploiting this system. Then you're hurting the very

(47:10):
people that you think you are helping. They have a
right to be as angry with you as with anybody else,
and that should not be lost in the weeds as
this turns into out and see what they're doing. See
what they're doing with it again, Look what Trump's doing
with it. And we just got done savaging Trump yesterday
on a number of fronts, and we'll continue to do so.
But the issue again is are we.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Going to clean up our house? And if you think
that the house doesn't need to be cleaned up just
because you want to change the subject now about how
it's being exploited, then guess what, man, it's going to
happen again. It's even more likely that no significant lessons

(47:55):
are going to be learned here. So that's where I
wanted today to quote. I didn't quote politicians say, or
if I did coach politicians, what you heard was basically, now,
be careful. Well, we don't need to We don't really
need to discuss we we don't really need to discuss
this stuff, this stuff in open session. We really don't
need to do that. Oh, there's always going to be

(48:16):
fraud to diminish the thing instruction to not give these
reports about fraud any public hearings. Is that is that
Trump's fault?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Or did you just give Trump an easy, you know,
a piece of AMMO that then he can then use.
If we aren't you know, direct and honest with that
in the state of Minnesota, we're gonna lose again.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
We're the ones who are going to look foolish.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
As easy as it is, I know to make it
about something else.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I still I swear to you. The books that I
hope are.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Being written or will be written about this, I bet
you we're going to learn they are about two or
three more layers to this story that we don't even.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Know exist yet.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
That's how rotten the whole thing feels to me. And
I've said this before on this show. The people, if
you want to go on Sharks and Jets, the folks
who should be the most angry are the Jets, the
lefties who believe in the generosity of this state and
believe in the programs of this state, because the money

(49:26):
that they hope would get to the places where they
think it needed to get to had almost zero chance
to do it, in part because of, I guess you
could say, the restrictions that were put on any meaningful
effort to investigate whether, well, are these guys real? Is
this company real? Do they have the resources to do

(49:49):
what they say they're doing? So there's your story as
far as I'm concerned. And that's about as I mentioned.
And you can find these warnings going back by auditors,
and maybe that's the problem. Maybe they cry wolf so
much it's well, it's what the auditors do, and they
always they expect more than we're capable of handling. But

(50:10):
don't we have enough evidence now that they weren't crying wolf,
especially the last four or five years when we're learning
how much money was stolen here and that there seems
to be no end to this level of fraud and
there may indeed be more coming.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Let's do this.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Let's pause top of the hour break. I'll get to
a couple of techs and a couple of other stories
when we return.

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Speaker 2 (51:04):
X thread from him from I think about an hour ago.
This might be the most wild part of that audit
report that I just sent out a thread on.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
This is something Hang with me here.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
During one audit, the grantee could not provide detailed invoices
or participant data to support a payment of six hundred
seventy two thousand, six hundred and forty seven dollars from
BHA for one month of work. It was also the
first payment DHS made under the agreement with this grantee.
The total grant agreement amount was one point six million.

(51:38):
The grantee subcontracted with fourteen subcontractors. OLA visited two and
neither could provide documentation regarding what they did with the money.
Here's where it gets wild, he writes, BHA grant manager
who approved the six hundred and seventy two thousand dollars payment,
where did she go while she left DHA a few

(52:00):
days after approving six hundred and seventy two thousand k
grant and starts consulting services to the grantee, approves grant,
leaves directly financially benefits from said grant. This goes back
to what he hit the thread earlier, an OLA report
on behavioral health administration that just came out, and that's

(52:21):
what he's been digging through and talking about what he
views as some major red flags. First, what do BHA
providers do treatment recovery services for substance abuse and mental health?
If I can continue with this thread, hold on a second,

(52:43):
this line from the audit is not good for DHS
and BHA. We received the full cooperation of staff from
DHS and BHA while performing this audit. However, during the
course of our audit, we identified a number of documents
the BHA either backdated or created after our audit began.
Eighteen providers had grant percentage increases in the triple digits

(53:04):
triple digits. For example, one grant that was pegged for
six hundred thousand dollars ended up with a final grant
total of five point six million dollars. That's an eight
hundred and thirty percent increase, and it sort of goes
on from there.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
And all I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I appreciate the fact that that Seth is trying to
follow the story. Politics are never always going to be
part of our conversation, right, But this is the kind
of stuff that people in the administration need to be
drilled on. And obviously the Governor's not going to be
involved at this level intimately with many of these programs.

(53:52):
But I don't know how much evidence we need about
how embarrassing this is, how dangerous this is what we're
seeing repeated. It appears over and over again, and maybe
this is you know what this is starting to feel
like a little bit. Do you remember when the academic
fraud scandal hit the University of Minnesota, of course, and

(54:14):
the Pioneer Press, Yeah, they broke this, they ran they
published the story, the first story the day the Gophers
I was with him played out West in the first
round of the instant A tournament against Gonzaga.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
That's exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And George Dorman, we've had him on George Dorman, and
what we heard after a period of time was, well,
you know what this is about, Well, this just happens
to be that we got a really good, tenacious, bulldog
reporter on the story. It's our bad luck that he
works here. In other words, if he worked in Omaha,
Nebraska and was investigating the University of Nebraska to in

(54:51):
trouble exactly, And and maybe that's true, but that's what
this smells like a little bit. Well, if we have
anybody going this deep, that's what they would find anywhere.
But the fact is they found it here, and it
appears they're continuing to find it here. Am I going
to be more suspicious of the Trump administration led investigations?

(55:13):
One hundred percent because we understand how he plays the game.
Walls is an enemy, so we'll do whatever we have
to do. But I'm not quoting from Lackey's from the
Trump administration. I'm not quoting his Lickspittles. I'm quoting, as
I said, auditors here in this case, a producer who

(55:34):
also is trying to do some reporter reporting on this case.
And I'm quoting Andy Lueger and the individual who followed him,
Joe Thompson. So we got to keep If we don't
keep our eye on the ball, we're doomed. What's the
famous is it? Santayana?

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Who?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What's the famous quote about those who paid no attention
to the past or doing here?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
It is? This is from allegedly attributed to Falah George Santiana.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
And it's like.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
We don't want to remember it already we are before
we even know all of it. It's like we want
to forget it. And the mistake in that is it
makes it more likely it's gonna happen again. Now, my
guess is there are better safeguards in place because he
got no choice at this point, you got no choice.
But that is a fundamental rot in this equation that

(56:28):
has to be dealt with more than clever sound bites
from the governor of the state who now wants it
both ways. That's what it seems like to me. I'm
not gonna run. Almost selflessly, he's saying, I'm not gonna run.
But now that I'm liberated from that possibility, I'm gonna
pound away and instead of doing what he should do,

(56:51):
which is, you know what I'm gonna do the next
however many months i'm in the job, I'm gonna make
it my mission and business every day to drill down
on where we screwed up. And I'm going to do
my damnedest to see that greater safeguards are in place.
But I'm also not going to be afraid to follow
the story on how we got to this position. You

(57:12):
think he's got you think you're going to hear that
from him, Give me a break. It's not even close
to the way this thing is going to play out.
It's as easy as the nose on my face to see.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
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Speaker 3 (57:31):
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Speaker 2 (57:42):
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Speaker 3 (58:04):
Available to you. Between four and four thirty with Louis.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
The audio was a little bit shaky at times, but
we got through it a lot. On the World Juniors
event that Louis was a big part of until he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
How good is that?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
That's that's the best. I didn't have any duties, did
he No, he didn't. He did a lot. He did
everything they asked him to do. It's true. He fulfilled
his contract exactly.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
It. That was as I said.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Between four and four to thirty some a section conversation
in the Fiver, proceeded by some Carly Simon conversation. The
anniversary of the song that went to number one on
this date and what year did I say? Nineteen seventy three?
I think your friend, we got into that we got

(58:51):
into the bucket list, he said.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
But see, people are assuming. Like a couple of said, well,
did I miss an announcement as has Barrero announced He's done.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
No, I'm not. Oh no it's not yet. I mean
that's inevitable for all of us, but no, not quite yet.
But it's it's a subject you've raised before about trying
to get some stuff done as well.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Nineteen seventy three just reminded me of when I was
at Assembly Hall.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
What year did you cover the undefeated team?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That was.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
A seventy five seventy six?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Okay, So they had a picture of like a welcome
home rally at Assembly Hall that I assumed you had
to be at right where they had everybody on the
floor and there was like welcome home Champs.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
It was this whole thing. You were there.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I tried to take a picture, but it was too
small because I wanted people to try to find you.
But the only other thing I could think about at
Assembly Hall is imagining you being there, not being able
to see Elton John and.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Only because that's true, right, that's true. I was telling
that story to everybody, like you know Dan who I
work with. Yeah, he heard Elton John.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Here. I was in the upper deck at Assembly Hall
listening to Elton John because why.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Because I I I had, I I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I either ran out of contact. No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
What it was is I didn't want to wear contact
lenses anymore because they were tough on my eyes. Back then,
they weren't as good as they are now, and I
cracked my glasses. So I literally had I had no.
I mean I went to listen. You could say it's
pure in that sense, yes, But I had no. I mean,
I had no idea Elton John was in the bill.
They could have just been beaming in music and I
wouldn't have known the difference. I couldn't even see a

(01:00:26):
pianel player. You know that far in the upper deck
at Assembly Hall, you're like in a never anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I always walk up there just to see because it's
it's very high, very very true. But you could get
yourself there, You could like walk there on your own.
You could see near, but you couldn't see far. Was
that the bit, because I'm envisioning somebody like walking you in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, I well, no, I can see I can see near,
I can't see fun, got it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I'm near sighted, which I still am to you
really just sat there and listened. Yeah apparently, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
It didn't Walls initiate and approve the OLA audit that
was just released today. That's from six to one to two. Guy, Well, yeah,
I would hope.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I mean, at this point there's not much choice, but
that's still not the question. The question is how do
we get here in the first place. And we got
two choices, Like I said, we can make it. We're
going to go to our tribes and say they're bad
because they're exploiting it, or they can say we'll leave
that discussion for another day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
We still got to deal with this. This is our problem.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
No matter who's exploiting it or how they're exploiting it,
it is our problem. We've created the mess, and if
it didn't exist in the first place, there would be
no chance at exploitation. That to me needs to be
the continuation of the message from this point tomorrow. Well,
first of all, tonight, Wolve's heat on the Wolves channels

(01:01:49):
that correct, because correct, we've got a Gopher men's basketball
against the Iowa the ranked iowhaw Gys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Is that correct? Number nineteen? I think I can't wait
to see Franz red Face. Is he doing anything? Is
he doing like radio for their broadcast or anything else?
She disappeared. He's coaching at all. That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
He went, that's it, And I think I didn't see
the video because it went it scrolled too quickly. I
think Franz red Face showed up at Penn within the
last couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I think, oh, that's good quote me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I'm just assuming so Gophers who now have two big
ten victories, right because they beat Northwestern the road came
back in the second half Saturday, it'd be a nice
victory for them today.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
That's on the fan.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Intriguing rematch the Wolves and Heat with Anthony Edwards in play.
He was had been downgraded to questionable. He's now in
to start tonight. We don't know how long he'll stay
on the bench during timeouts, but we'll see. That'll be
on the Timberwolves channel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Speaking of the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Wolves, Mike Conley is scheduled to join tomorrow as well.
We'll ask him about if he talked at all to
Anthony Edwards for leaving the court. I'm guessing he did.
Glenn Mason is scheduled to join us from Florida. And
more Kessler. I mean, we had Bonus Kessler yesterday. He
was brilliant. We'll have Kessler back on his regular day

(01:03:02):
tomorrow as well. And I got an apb out, as
I said, for Mike Curley, have not heard back from him,
which usually means he's you know, he's got like all
these all this consulting work he does in some exotic location.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yep, consulting. But for all we know, he's in Venezuela.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I had no idea because he's he works in Venezuela. Yeah,
he's got contacts everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So we'll try to hopefully catch up with him as well,
to get caught up on a number of international fronts
as well. I had another one other text that I
wanted to get to see if I can find it,
because we do have a little bit of time. Minnesota
Land of ten thousand front. Yes, we know that one.
We don't steal it from us. In fact, it was
we considered it as the state Fair T shirt this

(01:03:46):
year and ultimately chose not to correct.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Correct, but we might be able to run it back
this coming year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
That's very true. Like it's flowing down, it might be ongoing.
Correct very very true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Somebody wants us to interview Joe Rogan, which would be
I guess an interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I don't know if you could get him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
No, I don't know. I don't listen to his podcast
a lot. It's one of those where if it's a guest,
I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah, every day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
By the way, did I see that your guy, the
New York radio legend now national, what's his name, Starr?
Guy Stern just signed a new deal three year contracts.
I think three year contract. I'm guessing decent money. You
think is he still as popular? I'm as pretty popular.
And how popular is the Conan Channel on serious? I
think that whatever it's called, does that do well?

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
I think Conan's you know, Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
A very popular podcast. Okay, so I assume that runs. Yeah,
I haven't listened to it a lot lately. I did
for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Have you ever read the Howard Stern Book on Interviews?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
You know, because he's famous for his interviews that he
gets people to say things.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
There's no there's no question, now, there's no question.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
But what bothered me about it is he talked about
his preparation for the interviews, and he's got like fifty
people that help them, like they do all the research,
they printed out fall, they do all these things, and
then he kind of like, you'll grind through it and
picking show, which is there's still a skill in that. Yeah,
but that's not quite the same. I didn't love.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
But that's that's the way. I mean, that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Way it is in places. The question would be when
he was an up and comer, right, did he have
that same yes advantage? Or is that the old You
do the work and then you're so in demand that
there's you don't even have enough time, So therefore you
just get the best people and you lean on them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
I took it personally, I think as as the producer
of the Braille Conversations podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, well, yeah, I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Actually, although again I mean that, I mean, anybody who's
can go back far enough and see the what's the
name of the movie?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Not network broadcast news. That's the whole bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
In Broadcast News US a book regarding the anchors that
the only coherent thoughts are often put in their ear
by the producers who don't have the looks or the
grace to be in front of the camera, and I
don't know, is that's what would folks at Fox nine
say that's it's still the same thing, or they say
it's very different.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Now they'd say it's very different, very different. They'd have
to They wouldn't have a choice, yes, but to say
that whether it was actually different or not correct.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Former Fox nine people might say something different. Yeah, current
ones would go along with this. Very true and maybe
the best part of today's show. Some people thought we
were gonna have Pat Kessler on again today because you
played his music instead of Luigi's music.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I was rusty today. I'm not gonna lie. I hit
a couple of buttons. Was a mess. I thought that
was you doing a Kessler no bit a sound, but
that was actually a commercial. I wasn't supposed to be
at the board. I got to calm down. That's been
a while. Thanks for watching, thank you for listening, and
we will talk to tomorrow. Three need