Top 5/Lou Raguse - Bumper to Bumper 12/9/25 Hour Three

Dan and Gaardsy review the Top 5 before KARE 11 reporter Lou Raguse joins with his updates on the many Minnesota fraud cases that he and we have covered the last few years and what is next in some of them. We also cover Lou's epic high school football career!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Lewer Goose will join immediately following the top five.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
At five, what do we have for the top five?
We're gonna start with hockey.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Okay, it feels like hockey weather outside, right, and sure
it does looks like hockey. I remember when we had
the Stadium Series game or the Winter Classic and Louis
gave the big speech and it was frozen, and then
ten minutes later he's on a plane to Florida.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Thanks to Florida or Maui or something.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah, they waved at him, he was on the field
and then he was gone. It kind of feels like
that today. So let's start with hockey. Where last night
I checked into the wild after watching the Wolves, you know,
lose to Phoenix one O eight, one oh five.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
We'll talk about that in a second.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
And right as I turned it on, Zuccarello just gets
blasted by someone called Vince Dunn and has to leave
the game, and because Chin hit the eye, it didn't
look good. John Hines says, it's more disturbing as a
coach when you see one of your players laying on
the ice and gets hit like that. I'm just thankful
that zookies in a good spot right now. It was
scoreless at the time. Galvanized the club. The club had

(01:12):
some juice. First of all, capriceof was bitter because that's
his guy, so he's getting into it a little bit.
And then the Wild started buzzing and Eki put him
up one. Oh, Seattle did tie it up at one
with a power play goal. Yeah, Eric Sinak, That's that's
what we call him. And he was good. He was
good all night. And then the Wild just got moving

(01:33):
even more so Johansson put him up to one. Eki
had another one, or they should say had an assist
on that, and they end up winning four to one, and.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
It was an impressive It was a nice victory and.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It had a good buzz after after the incident, which
was supposed to be a five minute major, and then
the officials backed off of it a little bit and
there you go, uh yeah, we kind of needed it
after the last that's the two games has been kind
of disastrous, and we didn't want to take any of
the shine off of what seemed to be a surge.
So and I you know, it's the famous last words

(02:09):
of what really does motivate a team? Maybe that that
can you can get, you know, but then you got
to channel the anger the right way if indeed that
was it, And apparently we did exactly that.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
So we're back home next correct Thursday, Thursday, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Right here on the fan.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
We're out at five forty five on Thursday because we've
got to get Vikings programming in and then the wild game.
Here's help me out with this. You're a ball guy,
basketball guy. Sam Mitchell's obviously a basketball guy. I know
the Wolves are in the sixth seed right now, and
that was Sam's big contentions, like where are you? You're
the sixth seed? I mean we're two and a half
games back of the second seed. Yeah, it's not like

(02:47):
they're buried in the six like we've been you know historically.
Was it last year when we were grinding it out?
But it doesn't feel like that.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I mean yeah, but in part again because they've played nobody.
I mean, I think you have to factor that in
a little bit. I just put this way, I'm not
very comfortable with the way they're playing. I'm not saying
they're playing great, but but I don't I don't, I
don't have I don't have a particularly stout feeling about
this club as it is currently composed.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
I would like to know how much easier as the Lakers, Nuggets, Rockets,
and Spurs schedule been, for example, because those are the
teams that are up they're up against. I get it.
They haven't had like a signature, impressive win. Their signature win,
their signature moment is probably a good close game in
Oklahoma City right right, a week or so ago. Yeah,
and they haven't played clean. We know that they've kind

(03:38):
of blown there. They had the blown leads, you know,
the meltdown game obviously against Phoenix a couple of weeks ago.
I'm not feeling like awesome about them, but I'm not
as down on it as Mitchell was because I don't know, well,
they lost last night, which isn't helpful to Phoenix, who's
right behind them at fourteen and ten in the seventhes.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
It's it's the old deal of I think.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
When you reach the place they're reaching, I think you
start grading harder, and that doesn't mean you have to
think that they're on a disastrous track, But I think
there's some projecting going on that is part of the business,
that's sort of part of the deal where you go,
I'm trying to figure out these pieces and who fits

(04:21):
and who's going to play. And I'll say again, Bones
Highland had a hell of a game last night, but
it's gonna be hard for me to believe that Bones
Highland is going to be your galvanizing force. And otherwise
you're left with some of the concerning questions surrounding the youth.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I mean, we're playing three young guys.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
One of them is stout defensively but can't score. He's
on a team that already plays two guys that don't
score much in Mike Conley and Rudy Gobert at least
some of the time. That's difficult to do the way
the league is set up now, And the other two
guys just don't seem to be playing well enough to

(05:00):
to be out there for consistent minutes as well. So
I I get what you're saying that they're not buried,
but I don't think anybody's saying they're barried.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's just saying, all right, if we're projecting this out,
where is this going to go?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Because we said this, at least I did before the
season began, the growth is going to have to be internal.
Somebody's gonna have to ascend, almost explode on the scene.
If you're really going to change the dynamics of this
team in a way where we go, okay, we can,
we can, we can play with any We can for
the third straight year, play with anybody, and in bits

(05:33):
and pieces offensively, you can argue that that Jaden.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Has been that guy. That's my argument.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But well, I still think it's consistent enough, and I
still don't think it's enough where I go, yep, they're
right there.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I I just.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know, if I get convinced that they're running more
stuff for him and that basically he's got license to
take a shot now anytime he wants to. Maybe, But
I still think there's a mismanaged starting lineup that just
doesn't make all that much sense. And it's because they're

(06:09):
trying to do this without a point guard.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
That's what they're trying.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Even in the even in the more conventional sense in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
There's also it's too it can be two different discussions
because the team I didn't mention there is Oklahoma City,
who's on a plateau of their own right. They are
on a clear tier of their own at the moment,
and Mitchell's overall points of what are you gonna do
to deal with them for the next decade?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's the story.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, and the hard part is the rest of the
westoser might be there is no answer, which means though
you can't panic and you know, gut your team out
of that emotion, but because you can argue, nobody matches
up really with Oklahoma City. Now, I think the longs thing,
Denver's got a better chance to this year. They haven't
played anybody, They have not played a great I don't

(06:56):
even I don't even know what their schedule has been.
But you got you know, you got a guy who's
won the MVP as a three time spots all.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, they have the equity and the best player. Yeah,
that's so I get why they're they're in there. They're
in there as well.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Just something to think about, yeah, just something to think about.
You know, me always glaff.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Hat, but you're not on the Wolves though, because earlier
you were kind of I thought you were kind.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Of down on them.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So I don't know if it's a better look at
the standings because I actually thought you were more negative
than you're being today, or a little more concerned in
you're acting today.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Well, I get concerned with just what bothers me is
the nonchalant news. Yes, where we don't want to play
these games, because even the game like the Clippers game
is a good example. The Pelicans games, you know, are good,
good examples where they basically just showed up for ten
minutes to win those Pelicans games, right, Yes, and Finchy
looked like he wanted to just take a steamboat out

(07:48):
of New Orleans and just ride off into the Gulf
of Mexico while the team was having the time of
their lives. And even the Clipper game, they didn't play
well really until the fourth quarter when they started getting
into it defensively a little bit more nods was good
because Anthony wasn't very good.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's what bugs me.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
But when I just think about can this team get
back to where they were, I'm not as negative on it.
Can they go past Oklahoma City? Probably not? It doesn't
look like anybody can. But I also know you know,
I'm not saying it's impossible. Here's here's another way. We're
spending too much time on it, probably now, but we're
back to if the minute you start the Vincenzo, you're

(08:25):
weakening your bench. A year ago he was on the
bench primarily. Right now, you could say at times this
year he's played better that he played last year, didn't
shoot particularly well last night, but that he's played better.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
But then you're.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Back to all right, out of necessity, if you have
to start Dante, that's maybe needed. But then you're looking
at your bench, in which there's three young guys, none
of whom you feel enough faith in to play every night.
And then what is your bench beyond frank quite frankly,
what's your bench beyond nas Reed?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Not a lot, right?

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean Clark's probably your second most reliable guy.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yes, and he can't score, so again, defense, You know,
other teams figure this out pretty quickly. I love his defense,
I love his activity, no question, But is you got
to have more two way players? You know, I think
off the bench, I don't know that they can afford
to play a guy who is as much of a
liability offensively as he is.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
He can hit a corner three. Occasionally he can hit
a corner three.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Here's We don't have time to really get you going
on this, but I just want it for the record.
Twins nugget Mlbtrade Rumors dot Com.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I got one better nap, but go ahead.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
A couple of links via Bobby Nightingale of The Star
Trip and Dan Hayes is the Athletic. The Twins tore
down their bullpen in July. Trading five relievers is part
of a deadline fire sale that shipped a wapping eleven
players out of the Twin Cities. They're planning to hold
on the stars Byron Buxton, Pablo Lopez, and Joel Ryan. Yes,
I did see that, and we'll be looking to make
some additions via free agency, is right and trade over

(09:58):
the remainder of the offseason. Specifically, Derek Falvey and GM
Jeremy Zol called out restocking that baron bullpen and adding
at least one power bat to the lineup as areas
of focus. So be ready. The stove might not be
hot right now, Dan, but it's about to heat up.
They're they're looking to add. We'll see what they add, Glen.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
According to Glenn, what you left out though is let
me sure I can find it on the fly. I
just had it and then I made the mistake of
clicking out of it. We were in the MLB Draft
lottery with a chance to get the number one overall pick.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
We dropped to number three late. We ended up Yeah,
I think we.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Had the second best odds for the top pick and
we ended up falling to three in the draft lottery.
And to boot Boz, it's just Chicago White Sox number one.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
They get the number one pick. We dropped to numbers.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
I kind of like them being rewarded. They they tried
to win this year. They were improved. I mean they
didn't succeed much, but they did. See they handled us
a time or two. It was hard not to win.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
More games than they did a year ago. That's fair
at least they did.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
When we come back, we'll find out if lou Ragose
is actually his real name.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Is that fair to say? Yes? That's what's next.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, this text came in, actually, this email came into
one of my to my KFN account at about four
twenty eight pm, So a little less than an hour ago.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Here's how it reads. This is from a text writer, Tony.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
This may be sad news for you, but I competed
against the lou Regoose from Wheaton High School back in
the day. No TV name for him. We were Pheasant
Conference rivals. I'm from Chokio Alberta High School. He is
two years younger, but I played against him the Pheasant
Conference in basketball.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Is that you did?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Did you play in the Pheasant Conference?

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Are you guys telling me that you've never watched my
football highlight reel?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
And obviously obviously we have not. Yeah, we're gonna have to.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
I'll just say Randy Shavor a couple of years ago
watched it and said that I was Travis Kelcey before Kelsey.
That good. Eh. Well, yeah we we we played nine
man football and it's actually Chicaio Alberta. I apologize and
I all the listeners out there, but yeah, it was
a very competitive nine man football conference.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It sounds like it, and and so you can confirm.
I speculated earlier that I wondered whether Loui Goose was
your real name or your TV name, because it's a
great TV name. We both Guardian had both decided. But
apparently that is your real name?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (13:04):
It sure is? And when I was little, like my
parents and family called.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Me Louis Louis of course. Yeah. Now does anybody just
call you the Goose?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Has there any that he been a nickname? Yeah? Carol
Levin likes to use that one.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
The Goose. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, well, we welcome you back to the program. I've
got the highlights pulled up. Does do you have them? A?
Are they brilliant? Are there some circus catchers there?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right now? He's leading the what was your high school
team name?

Speaker 5 (13:31):
The Wheaton Warriors.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
He's leading the Warriors out onto the field. It looked
like nice catch, double coverage, brings it down, got both
feet in touchdown.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, I love it. Number eighty four. That's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
How there are a lot of touchstones on there?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
How long ago? How long ago was that?

Speaker 5 (13:48):
I graduated in two thousands, so that would be the
ninety nine see that there's probably some nineteen ninety eight highlights.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
The youngster. Yeah, you're a youngster, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
All right.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Let me We actually played one of your videos last week,
and I think that one had to do with your
attempt to refute the notion that that state government had
had much to do with finding the bad guys when
it pertains to feeding our future. You've had a couple since,

(14:17):
and one of them appeared to me. I'll let you
decide or tell me, but it appeared to me to
be a reaction to a Start Commune piece that ran
over the weekend that was an attempt to refute the
latest one of the last Donald J. Trump claims regarding
how much money has been stolen via Feeding our Future

(14:40):
and a number of other enterprises. And he had said
billions and billions, and that keep in mind, is that
you know this better than I. Today I heard President
Trump say the tariffs haven't brought in actually billions, but
actually trillions. So he I don't think you know, no
accuracy ever concerns him. But it sounded to me as
if you, I thought the Start Commune was being way

(15:02):
too conservative. And I think putting the number they had
for the fraud confirmed fraud figures to this point like
it was it like one hundred and fifty two million
something like that. You tell me what you think about
all that and what prompted you to kind of do
your own, I guess fact check to say, no, it's
it's a lot bigger than that that modest number.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Right. Well, I don't explicitly call out the Start Tribune.
There's no benefit to me to take, you know, any
shots at other media or anything like that. But I
have been reporting since at least since this fall, that
the authorities, the local authorities that are prosecuting these cases,
say that there's going to be over a billion dollars
worth of fraud prosecuted, and that the total number is

(15:47):
much higher than that. And so that's what I've been
reporting personally for months now. And so my idea for
the video, you know, I guess, in light of that
much lower number getting reported over the weekend, was to
lay out how they would get to over a billion dollars,
both in what has already been convicted in court and
ongoing investigations on top of that.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, the irony here is too and I noticed a
couple of these examples where and again I don't want
to turn this into a rugose versus the Star Tribune either,
but if you read what they have written or a
period of time in the story a quota over the weekend,
they said, well, Joe Thompson's been going with that number,

(16:30):
but he hasn't really backed it up. But without Joe Thompson,
I've read several times. I'm looking at one example of
it in which a story they wrote said fraud is
now approaching a billion dollars. So they have and I
don't know how they came to that figure, but in
other stories they have not been bothered by the possibility
that it could be a billion or more. What do

(16:50):
you say to those who say, well, Joe's throwing out
those numbers and they're dramatic, but what proof do we
necessarily have that he can back those up?

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Well, the governor has even acknowledged that the billion dollar
number is probably going to end up being correct. They're
currently doing an audit of the state programs under Department
of Human Services, and so we should know that by
January is when they expect this audit to be done.
But I mean the Feeding our Future. I think part
of my point was to show people that, you know,

(17:20):
when Andy Luger charged Feeding our Future initially he said
two hundred and fifty million dollars is the floor, and
they didn't at that point they had charged forty some defendants.
Now they're up to seventy eight defendants. They've convicted more
than half of them, and the number has risen. And
so you combine the meal fraud could be as high
as over four hundred million. Right, that's just the meal fraud.

(17:41):
And then when you start looking at all the state ones,
and barely any people have been charged yet in these
state ones, meaning the state programs, the housing stabilization and
the autism and so forth. They'll probably mostly be charged
in federal court, but hardly anyone has been charged yet.
But when you look at the explosive growth when it
goes from you know, ten million one year and it's

(18:02):
one hundred million the next year, Well, what percentage of
that one hundred million is going to end up being fraud? Like?
Not all of it, probably, but there's gonna be a
sizeable chunk of that. When you start adding up all
those chunks, you know it's going to get up there.
And so as far as the article, I didn't really
see the point. You know, I can see people wanting
to fact check trust certain you know, and people are

(18:23):
emailing me stuff like, oh the other's saying eight billion dollars,
and I'm like, well, I don't know where that's coming from, right,
I can see, you know, the want to fact check that,
But then it almost seemed like, you know, we're all
being lied to and there's there's really hardly any fraud,
and that that tone is incorrect as well, one.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Hundred percent incorrect, and I think has been reported a
lot by you and some by others.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's the irony of this thing.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
But I think this falls into the classification of well
Trump says something, it's exaggerated. Therefore we've got to our
obligation is to sort of fire back. The danger is
to present a case that isn't really factual, even in
the way of trying. Because I understand again, what what
got I think I'm assuming some folks down this road

(19:06):
is the president is using this, I think absurdly and
irrationally as we got to get every subai and out
of here, get him out of here, and they're there
there their garbage, get him out of here, and so
you there's some desire to say it's because he's used
whatever the number is, and in my view, he doesn't
even need a number.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
It could be millions, it doesn't have to be billions.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
He's going to say the same thing, because that's just
his nature and that's a different issue. But we've had
more than enough reporting across the board to indicate that
this can't possibly be minimized. I mean, there's no way
at this point to minimize. If the question is, like
you said, how big is it going to get? And
I'll give you an example. I'm curious where are we
in the autism part of this is it is that

(19:50):
the next big piece that's coming or getting a sequence
from what you're hearing from your sources.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
I think the autism will be the next big piece
because it kind of had a head start because so
many of the autism suspects were also feeding our future
meal fraud suspects, right, That's how they discovered it. When
they're sorting through all the paperwork for feeding our future,
they discovered the autism fraud. And the numbers for that
are well into the hundreds of millions, And so that
one has potential to be even bigger than the meal fraud.

(20:18):
And it's probably the next easiest one to get going
on the charges. And then after that probably the housing stabilization,
which is fairly fresh, and you know that was a
big one that my colleague aj Lego helped expose at
the very beginning and put on the radar of the
federal investigators that one had that that's the one that
Governor Walls shut down completely because there was so much fraud.

(20:42):
And so you know, if they're sending out four hundred
million dollars and the governor completely shuts it down again,
I say, well, then what percentages that is probably going
to be fraud?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
What is Tell me give me an update. You had
a video also about the Medicaid program. Where does that
fit into this? Is that a completely different subject? And
where are we going on match story?

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, so it's all related because any of these programs,
including the autism and the housing stabilization, like like a
lot not not housing, but like the autism and a
lot of these other ones rely on Medicaid reimbursements. That's
like a fifty to fifty mix of federal and local money.
And so you know, nationally, doctor Oz, doctor memot Oz

(21:23):
runs the centers for Medicare and Medicaid, and he put
additional restrictions on the state kind of like oversight, like
you need to let us know what you're doing about fraud.
Otherwise we're going to turn off that money and that
would be pretty devastating to the state if that happens.
Obviously they're going to go along with with what they're

(21:45):
asking for. You know. Just just one more thing to
mention on on the overall questioning of the numbers is
Joe Thompson has never been political about any of this,
So I think it's odd for anybody to. I mean,
obviously you can't take some but he's worked for it
with nothing. But he gets a little bit of the
benefit of the doubt as the lead prosecutor in all

(22:06):
these cases, and knowing what information he has that he's
not able to, you know, publicly reveal, like because these
people have not been charged yet. If he's going to
give a number of what he thinks is going to be,
that carries some weight. You know.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Politics, I don't is not so much your beat necessarily,
but you pay attention, and you know you certainly are
connected in a lot of ways. What kind of I mean,
the assumption is that this is going to play out
as a substantial maybe the substantial wedge issue that certainly

(22:43):
the Republicans could use to their benefit. Although I would
say you don't have to politicize this. The scandal is real,
we're all affected by it. But the fact is it's
a political world in which we live, and so the
question on the table is sort of, is this going
to continue month after month for a long stretch, remain

(23:03):
resonate as a key political issue that the average citizen, really,
whether they're right or left, is going to continue to
be concerned by and is going to maybe go a
long way to determining the next couple of elections, including
the next gubernatorial race.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
I think it is the key issue at least right now,
and of course it's amplified because of the federal attention
and the attention from the president. Yes, right now, but
it's pretty clear that it's become the political issue as well.
And also it seems like, you know, I was a
little confounded by Governor Wald's statement on Meet the Press
where he said that when you know, you would think

(23:41):
that he's ready for this question that's coming on, do
you take responsibility for this? And his answer was, I
take responsibility for putting people in jail, And that's kind
of what started the whole thing that led to that
other video that that I put out when he was
you know, claiming responsibility for putting all these people in jail.
But yeah, it's pretty clear that the Republicans, you know,

(24:01):
like it as a political issue to be able to
go after Governor Walls, and it's obvious that Governor Walls
does not like it as an issue at all.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
One other thing, I we had Andy Luger in studio
just last week and I ran this by him.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I want to run it by you. I don't remember the.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Governmental body who allegedly it was employees who worked in
this department who had in the wake of the New
York Times story, which was kind of the general set
the scene story about feed the fraud here, a lot
of it not new locally, but again perhaps new to
a Latin national audience. There was the reaction via the

(24:41):
employees of this particular organization basically saying confirming everything in
the story and saying it's a lot worse than that,
and we need reporters who go after it. We've had
individuals threatened tried to come forward and warn about these excesses.
Andy's reaction was, look, we're always good when I was
in the office and now Joe there, We're always going

(25:02):
to listen to people who want to come forward those
kinds of allegations and then we get to investigate them,
but that it was all kind of anonymous who was
actually doing this the talking in this this this Twitter storm?
And is there any there there have you pursued that
is it worth pursuing or what can you tell us
about that?

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah, that is a Twitter account that is labeled that
it's run by employees of DHS, which is the Department
of Human Services that runs all these programs that have
been you know restricted now at this point, and we
do myself and aj Lego have sources within that. So yes,
there there is something there. I think the thing that
you got to look out for is like they claim

(25:43):
to represent like three hundred employees. There's no way to
verify how many people are behind the account, you know,
stuff like that. But they have given you know, good
tips as far as like things to look into, you know,
ideas for like the questions to ask in the data
practices request to make and so there definitely are sources
within DHS that are helping us guide our reporting to

(26:04):
help ferret out you know, the fraud and any wrongdoing
that's been done within the department as well.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Where are you going next. Can you give us a hint.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Is there another big story coming down or another big
shoe yet to drop that you are going to reveal
in the next week or two or three via video?

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, I have tonight. I have a pretty good story
on CARO eleven at six thirty. Oh, So I heard
you ask Andy Luger about the judge that tossed out
the guilty verdict. Yes, from the jury on the fraud case.
So you know, going back to that state I was
when that broke that story.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
By the way, that was a state case, correct, that
was not a federal case.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, right, okay, just for.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Certification, and the Attorney General's office has a unit that
looks into these fraud cases and prosecutes them. But it's
the way that these judge rulings. And so my story
tonight will show that that suspect's wife, her case was
tossed out by a judge before it even reached the jury.
Another code off finish case got tossed out. And it

(27:02):
looks to me like there may be if the state
wants to continue pursuing these cases, they may need to
work on some law changes in the next legislature because
there are a lot of issues going on here with
that whole thing. So that that's the thing I'm diving
into tonight. And at this point, you know, I could
barely see into the next week that the news is

(27:22):
coming in so quickly.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
It is.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
It is.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's astonishing, it really is. Also, you got another book
coming out, is that correct?

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yep? In March. It's gonna be called Mastermind. And this
is my second book. The first one is vanished in Vermilion.
This new one, it's a case that happened in Minneapolis.
It was a Minneapolis crime scene investigator named Nikki Lenway
who was off duty and she was going to pick
up her son when she was shot right on the
sidewalk and University Avenue outside of a supervised parenting center.

(27:53):
And then the only suspect, the only person that wants
her dead is her ex, the father of her son,
who has an ironclad and said the building at the
time of the shooting.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Wow, that's that's that's and that's out in March.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
You said, yep, they'll come out in March. There was
there was there was a CBS forty eight hours did
a you know, an episode on that case. So it's
it's a There's there's a lot to it, and the
book really kind of unravels, like the controlling relationship, everything
that led up to the shooting, okay, you know really
hasn't been reported at all. And you know, I think
that anyone who's been in a controlling relationship or has

(28:26):
a loved one that has been, there's really a lot
of things that people connect to us.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
How do you have how do you have time to
do this? I don't understand, I mean, how do you?
I mean is that all you.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Do is work? You know?

Speaker 5 (28:39):
I I coached both my kids basketball teams and spend
a lot of time with my wife as well. I
spread my time out a lot. But yes, the six
and six months or so that I spent writing this book,
I was very busy.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
And is is the book done? It's in the hopper
just waiting to be released.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, yep, yep, it's uh. I think the final edits
are pretty much done, so it's on the on the
release calendar for the publisher.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Well, we'll certainly talk to Mark. Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Could fiction be next for Low or Goose? Have you
considered the possible? I mean know, you're a guy who's
who likes to report on facts as well as you can.
You know, piece of story. Is it possible, you go,
let's make it up this time. Let's go fiction.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
You know, I would love to. That'd be a new
challenge at this point in my life. Sometimes the truth
is stranger than figuring.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, that's that is a one hundred percent true. Can
I give you some Can I do a quick fact check?
Not video but audio?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean, we just got to lay these facts out.
So I've gone through the Louver Goose football highlights show
Warrior records set in nineteen ninety nine career receptions, Wow,
career receiving touchdowns, single season receiving touchdowns cut two touchdowns
in the fourth quarter with the conference championship on the line.
One of them he's somehow not covered, which is unbelievable.

(29:52):
The second one he's covered by two people. Didn't matter,
and he brings it in. This is It's impressive. I
tweeted it out. People need to watch it. People need
to watch it. Thank you getting that open.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Well, we were a strong running team, so that we
were a run first team. And you know, you run
the ball down this throat and all of a sudden,
you know, I'm able to get open. That's kind of
how it works.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Any regrets that when you blocked the one punt you
tried to scoop and score and couldn't. You had to
fall on it on the highlight video. Do you wish
that you could have? I mean regrets it would have
been another touchdown? You got the ball, it was wore
your ball fresh four, But you got to scoop that
up and score, don't you?

Speaker 5 (30:28):
You know that that one? I do remember that one,
and I just couldn't believe that I couldn't get the
ball in my hands, And so, yeah, I regret that one.
Did you also see the one that where I sent
the punter.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Flying on the I couldn't miss it five times in
super slow motion?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, I couldn't miss it, of course. Yeah, it's a
great video, and.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
That would I was afraid that I had a roughing
the punter call. You know, I kind of let up
even on that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Now would you classify yourself? Were you also a well
rounded receiver? Were you a good blocking tight end as well?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Are were you just.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
One of those things? I was blocked first. I had
to plock the star middle linebacker on every single running play.
And then then on third and long be asked to
run a twenty yard route.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
That's it, man, thankless. The video is so nineties.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
It's just the best I feel seen with your highlight
video because it's so perfect for the times, given that
we were about a year apart in high school.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It is so perfect for the times.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
We appreciate the time pads are huge back then.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh god, unbelievable. It's like like a different era completely. Well,
we'll be watching tonight if we can. Otherwise, we'll keep
in touch. We appreciate the update on a number of
those stories, and keep the reporting going and we'll be
in touch.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Thanks, all right, thanks Louk.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Guys, I appreciate if that is a Lure Goose real name,
not a stage name.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's a brilliant TV name as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
It virtually cannot be mispronounced, I don't think, and it
rolls off the tongue.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's dramatic.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Now the live report from the state Capitol, Loure Goose,
Oh are you kidding me? It's just it's just too good,
Brett John Brian caffe In text line is on fire
right now. Six four six eighty six will include some
texts from the audience.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I've got a couple of other stories. I want to
get to.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
One of them from the A section literally the A
section of the New York Times that broke over the
weekend and is a not so gentle reminder. And this
really annoys the lefties occasionally who listen to this show.
Why I continue to be as angry with them the Democrats,

(32:32):
as I am with Donald J. Trump, because I think
one had very much to do with the reascension of
the other. Stay tuned for that and more. When we
were there are several stories I need some help on.

(32:57):
Several of these are local and origin, and I don't
know that we need to spend a great deal of
time on any of them, but I think they're worthy
of discussion. You're familiar with mcpheely from the Dakotas time
Mike McFeeley became a media game.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm just going to read his tweet. I think this
was from yesterday. It might have been the day before.
Illinois State through five interceptions, including a pick six, allowed
a punt return for a touchdown, and gave up a
seventy eight yard touchdown pass on nbsu's first play from
scrimmage and one.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, we probably haven't talked enough about this game.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
No, we haven't, and somebody I need an NDSU fan
to explain exactly how all those things could happen. And
you don't win when your opponent throws five interceptions including
a pick six, allows a punt return for a touchdown,
gives up a seventy eight yard touchdown pass, and ndsus
first lay scrimmage and you still can't win the game.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
That's number one. Number two, I need help on.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Entertaining game with Tartan Boys beating Hopkins by ten points
in the second half before a fight broke out among
fans to force the game to end with just over
nine minutes left.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
That was via Strip Varsity.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Yeah, I've heard some stuff about this that has not
been verified yet, so not a good scene again, stuff
that you would describe as troubling.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, okay, because the whole thing's are rather troubling.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
And I think this is the second straight year there's
been enough of an incident where a game had to
either be interrupted or stopped.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Correct Well, No, the game between wise Thata and Hopkins
last year finished. We talked about the coaches acted by
complete mores on both sides.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's it too.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
This one had more to do with the fans and
the crowd and the kids.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Embarrassing absolutely, yeah, not good, embarrassing, so so and.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
So what's the pun Is there? A punishment?

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Is there?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
We're not gonna let fans watch our games from this point.
F I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
I haven't heard anything, Hopkins says, the game to night.
See how that goes. I've finish it.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
He just shake your head. Here's the third item. I'm
familiar with Ram Emmanuel. He was Obama's one of Obama's
big advisors. He's your next president, and he might be.
He also was mayor of the city of Chicago. If
I'm not mistaken, he's taken a significant leap.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And I think this was today.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I'll just read it to you and see if you
think it's plausible politically viable, because those are two different things,
but both worthy of discussion. When it comes to our adolescens,
it's either going to be adults or the algorithms that
raise our kids. No child under the age of sixteen
should have access to social media. TikTok, insta, Snapchat and

(35:56):
others are too powerful, too addictive. Too alluring and too
often our young kids. Parents cannot fight big tech alone.
Sensible regulations cut teen smoking and band phones, and classrooms
to boost academic and social development. We've proven that smart
steps are effective. The time for debate and discussion is over.
It is time to protect our kids and strengthen our families.

(36:22):
So I agree with all of it. I'm just I'm
asking the obvious question that many others are asking. Is
it practical, given the ways that folks can get access
to social media? Is it practical right to keep those
those items out of individuals' hands. And I'm curious to
get reaction from people politically on whether this is a.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
This is a good step, because I think.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
He's the first, you know, candidate or potential candidate who
is going this public with this visceral and approach. Now
I'm assuming he'll be asked the obvio is the practicalities
of it and so forth? Then you can argue that
it means nothing. The words are flowery, but mean nothing
if you can't, you know, match them up, and is

(37:09):
it practical to match them up with actual to actually
keep kids off of these items? I don't know, but
I did think it was interesting. Jake Tapper brought it
to my attention. You'r a guy from CNN First Potential
twenty twenty eight or to embrace a social media ban
for children.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I love it all. I don't know how realistic it is.
I don't either. That's kind of the way I look
at it as well.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
You said lem Mandela Guy writes, you said lou Ar
Goose's name basically cannot be mispronounced. I have a good
test for that theory. Put it in the middle of
a paragraph and have Meat Sauce cold read it. Wow,
I think Sauce could get it. Yeah, I think he
probably could. I did tell he might say Ragosi. No,
I think he now he might.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
He might.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
He might misspell it in a tweet that they would
come back to.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
That's I did tell lou Rigruss about speaking of Meat
Sauce Sausa's high school football highlight video that we also
uncovered a few years back, where he appears in the
first game and a half as an offensive lineman and
then gets bench for the rest of the year.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Is that right? Yeah? It was a tough scene. Was
it humiliating for him?

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Not any more so than anything else we bring up
or they bring up on the show. I think he
he thinks it's funny. I think he understood kind of
his place. He still does not have great things to
say about the offensive coordinator on that team.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
I'm sure that's true.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
So nine to five to two Guy Australia is implementing
a similar band starting tomorrow. That's from Lloyd in Long Lake.
Is that true? I don't know. But if they can
like they.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Have, it's worth. It's worth. It's worth.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
At least seeing how it goes there, right, Yes, how
successful they are? Ellinois Dana from Fargo Dan Allois State
also had a fumble give up a power TURNTD. The
problem was NDSU's offense only showed up for the first play.
Non existent after that. Uh, Chad from the Ville Louisville.

(39:07):
I wonder if he means that Ville Albertville.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I don't know. Is there an area code.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Three two l So's It's kind of not Louisville, Kentuckysville,
the Holiday Lights and Duluth.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Is lou on the insta. Not trying to be creepy,
but I need more Regoose than just X. He's fantastic.
Is Regoose on the Insta.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
I'll look, I've got install pull it up. It's I
need more regoose something?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
What what?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
What INSTA related came up earlier today? Didn't we talk
about something INSTA related? I thought, maybe.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
It's probably it's a long show. It is always tough.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
When someone asked me what we talked about, and I said,
you're gonna have that podcast sometimes, you know, if Blake
Moore is doing the if you have to leave early
and he's doing the podcast, he comes in, yes, and
he asked me, and it's hard for me to remember.
He asked me too on the way out, and I
usually say just listen.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, just so, just do the best you can with
it and see what you can come up with. Yeah,
here's a more confirmation about Australia. By the way, a
lot of good nominations for the first Nonomie of the
winter season, which we will name tomorrow. Keep those coming
for sure. A follow up from yesterday. Also, the Ageless

(40:26):
Wonder quarterback has indeed signed for the practice squad of
the Baltimore or the Baltimore Indianapolis Culture Philip Philip Rivers, Now,
what does that mean? Does that mean it's definitely for
me to believe he's interested in finishing finishing the season
on the practice squad.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Is this like just the first step towards.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Actually making him a functioning quarterback for the Colts. You
know what I'm saying, It's just I do It's I
don't think he wants to Just okay, I'll hang out
and you know I'll be your scout team quarterback on
the practice squad right.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
As Stephen Holder from ESPN rights, this positions him to
be an option to play in play some third string
quarterback Riley Leonard who's sustained knee injury while we're leaving
Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
So he's an option.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, it remains to be seeing what River's immediate role
will be now tomorrow because today's Tuesday, right, so most
yes teams are off. I would imagine tomorrow that Shane
Steichen will address it because that's when everybody meets the
media again on Wednesday. So we'll see. Leonard has a knee,

(41:31):
a strained knee ligament. He's considered weak to week week
to week. Yeah, okay, so we'll see. Makes some sense.
According to sources, rivers workout was impressive. He threw the
ball well, but needs to improve his condition. Yeah, he's fifty,
that makes sense, literally a grandfather.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Is he one of those? Because I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
He doesn't strike me as all those guys who's constantly
kept himself in shape just on the possibility.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
That he's going to be an NFL quarterback again.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I do want to see the sideline shot to see
what his BMI is at.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
A couple of people.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Going back far enough, were responding to our conversation with
Sam Mitchell that had you offended for sure.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Doesn't look like Graose has insta by the way, he
does not. Doesn't look well, that's only a matter of
time it should be. I love Sam, but he's dead
wrong about Rudy. Anyone who's watched the Wolves this year
could tell you that that go Beart is playing extremely well.
He's altering shots, running the floor, and by doing so,
is constantly making himself available for easy baskets of the rim.
Last night was standing his inside playing offenses contributed a

(42:29):
lot of good looks from mid to long range. Yeah,
you had more problem I think with the general disposition
of Sam and the state of the team. I would
disagree with Sam on Rudy because and look again, in
a perfect world. Is he making less money, Yes, but
he's already taken one pay cut, and again I think
he's it's the low hanging fruit with Rudy when you

(42:50):
see a highlight highlight or of you know, one of
those viral shots of him fumbling a ball into the basket, yep,
and you go, what are we doing with this guy?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
But that leaves out all the other things he does.
In fact, somebody had the analytic the other day that
on isolations, Alan Horton had it was I was going
to bring it up that that he's the number one
defensive player in the league. Nobody is scoring on scoring
on that way, I don't think you know, now, is
there a yin and yang to it? Yes, because even
though I think he's shown better proclivities offensively, he's still
not a great Their offensive numbers are not great with

(43:21):
him on the court. Sure, you got to balance all
those things out. But here's the other one.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
That's the thing. I feel like, Yeah, I thought we were,
but maybe we're not.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Regarding the Nikhil Alexander Walker discussion. And I do remember
Sam bringing this up, and it may have been off air.
I thought it was on air last year. When we
were trying to figure out, okay, could you reconfigure? And
he said, well, is anybody thinking about nikiel? I ran
it by a couple people, including Johnny. I don't think
Johnny thought it was a great idea. I'm not here

(43:54):
to say it's fool proof. But part of the reason
I think there's this sort of second look at everything
after the fact is because it's like we've always said,
if JJ McCarthy had been good from the game of
the season, nobody would be talking about Sam Darnald, Nobody
talking about Daniel Jones, nobody's.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Talking about Aaron Rodgers. It's the same here.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
If the other answers were showing some signs of being
the players that the Wolves hoped they were going to
be at the point guard position, then it would seem
foolish to bring up Nikkeil and say, well, you can't
keep everybody but six or five to one. Guy throws
this in, and it's worth at least mentioning naw deserves
the same treatment we give Sam Darnald. He was great

(44:38):
first during the regular season, but if we all forgotten
the countless miss shots in the playoffs, he couldn't hit
on anything with the exception of one game in last
year's run, he did have he was a streaky shooter.
Now I want to check his numbers this year if
he's been less streaky, because it certainly looks to me
like he has become his minutes have become a lot steadier,

(44:59):
and he playing a lot more. And that's always the
age old question. If you play a guy certain number
of minutes, it's is it you're doing that because you're
convinced if you play the more minutes, you're going to
start seeing more of his fortes and his limitations. Or
is it that, in fact, he's got another gear in him,
if he's just given the opportunity to take that job.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I don't know. I always liked him as a player.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I will tell you there were stretches in the postseason
where he said, oh my god, you got to hit
a shot.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
We're doing But if we started eliminating every Wolves player
that miss shots at key moments, we wouldn't be with
There would not be very many players left.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I don't think. I don't think he was alone in that. No,
he was not.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
And he has handled the opportunity with the injury. Who's
the main guard that got hurt, that Tray and Trey Young.
He's handled that opportunity where basically they said, okay, it's
your job.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
He's done very well. He's been great. There's no question
about that.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
He was their most consistent player the first few months
of the season last year, when other guys were scuffling
and they were trying to figure out the Randall piece.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
He was very, very consistent.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Twins missed the jackpot guarantee us, you're not a robot.
Kessei hits the pot. Twins in twenty to thirty five,
Twins in twenty thirty five.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Get it. That's ten years from now. Hang on, I
gotta get to my laugh. Twins thirty five.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
One of our hockey experts is saying that on was
it Zuki who got hit?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Describe here as a clean hit, shoulder only head up
or nut up?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Oh, we're back to nut up. Apparently we are. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
I have not seen the play. What do we think
is a dirty I mean, by the letter of the law,
probably not. Yeah, but it was a tough one. It
was a tough one.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I'll ask you this question.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
If one of our guys delivered that hit, jail Oh,
what would we say?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Would we say head up or up? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Head up or nut up? Yes, that's all I'm asking.
I don't know, you know who give us the final answer?
Louie tomorrow, because I'm sure he has seen it and
studied it several times. He's going to join on Wednesday.
He's a Tuesday regular. Back with one other a section
item the jets of the political aisle. The Dems from

(47:33):
time to time have expressed a great deal of outrage
with me regarding my I guess stubbornness regarding I guess,
I guess I'd say a lot of the anger I
have about where we are politically, and they're saying to me, well,

(47:53):
why are you mad at us? You should be mad
at the people who are in office. And my answer
to that is, but this significance screw up goes a
long way to explaining towards explaining why this administration got
a second shot at the deal. And the latest example
of that point laid out nicely in a New York

(48:15):
Times story that's getting some attention that I think fell
Sunday headlined how Biden ignored warnings and lost Americans faith
in immigration sub headline, the Democratic President and his top
advisors rejected recommendations that could have eased the border crisis
that helped return Donald Trump to the White House. And

(48:39):
a lot of this has been explored before, but there's
a lot of good reporting in this story that I
think drills down even deeper than previously written by Christopher Flavelle.
In the weeks after Biden Joseph R. Biden Junior was
elected president, advisers delivered a warning his approach to immigration

(49:01):
could prove disastrous. Mister Biden had pledged to treat unauthorized
immigrants more humanely than President Donald J. Trump, who generated
widespread backlash by separating migrant children from their parents. Mister
Biden was now president elect, and his positions threatened to
drastically increase border crossings, Experts advising his transition team warned

(49:28):
in a zoom briefing in the final weeks of twenty twenty.
According to people with direct knowledge of that briefing, that jump,
they said, could provoke a political crisis. Chaos was the
word the advisors had used in a memo during the campaign.
They offered a range of options to avert the crisis
by better deterring the migrants mister Biden seemed to grasp

(49:49):
the risk, but he and his top eights failed to
act on these regulations. They estimated the scale according to
former administrations, just say Biden administration officials, they underestimated the
scale of migration that was coming, and they failed to
appreciate the political reaction to that migration, believing that stronger

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enforcement would alienate Latino and progressive voters and also that
the border surge would not be an important issue to
most voters.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Here's the key quote.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
This is from Cecilia Munos, who helps shape immigration policy
in the Obama administration and oversaw domestic and economic policy
for the Biden transition team. Everybody who was reacting to
the excesses of the Trump administration, it has become or

(50:40):
in this case, it became more important to be the
not Trump president, as somebody put it on X than
with enforcing US laws. And politically, I think this now
has become our biggest enemy, the reaction to whatever it

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can't come.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Before, so that the new goal is.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I've got to get one hundred and eighty degrees away
from what that guy did, as opposed to just doing
what you should do.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
That becomes the mantra.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And that kind of thinking is what I think largely
paralyzed the Biden administration. Why they were blinded to certainly
the political ramifications of ignoring the border, as long as
they did not to mention it's not good, it's not
even sane national policy, as a number of Obama Democrats,

(51:45):
when they had a chance, tended to say, and we
get it later.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
There was a plan, and then Donald J.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Trump said, don't go for it because I want this
to be an issue. That was a lot later through
this thing, and it festered much longer than it had to.
And the story again, it doesn't I guess you'd say,
it doesn't break new ground, but it does confirm that issue,
which we talked about extensively, as you know during much

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of the Biden administration, that the policy on immigration was disastrous,
it was not even logical. But if your only aim
is I gotta go one hundred and eighty degrees away
from what that guy did, that becomes your mantra as
opposed to, how about a sensible policy that reverses some
of what Donald J. Trump had gone for but doesn't

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throw out the baby with the bathwater. But that's and
that's what I fear moving forward if in the next
presidential election the Jets are back in, will they fall
into that same trap, Will they do the right thing,
or will it be I gotta we gotta undo everything
that that guy did. I'm going to become so obsessed

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with that, not knowing that if I do that, there's
going to be some unintended consequences that are not necessarily
good for the country and perhaps not even very good
for my long term political aspirations as well. That's that's
I mean that quote to me from the as I
said a former per Obama administrator, everybody was reacting to

(53:27):
the excesses of the Trump administration. If that's all you're
worried about, then you got a problem because there's not
any quote. Every every legitimate poll, I think has laid
out the significance of that issue. The immigration issue at
the border now I'm not talking about the round ups. Now,
I'm talking about at the border. We've we're on the

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record on the nonsense going on around the country regarding
these roundups.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
But we're back to again.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
One mistake ends up almost ensuring or one blind spot
ends up ensuring that you're not going to be able
to stay in office, or that. In this case, the
Democrats are not going to stay in office because people
are going to say, well, wait a minute, what Trump
did first first time around. I may disagree with this,

(54:21):
this or this, but when the numbers are astronomically bigger
than during any other recent administration, it's almost come on
in whatever you want to do as much as many
if you want to, because by God, we believe in
in immigrants, and we're not going to treat immigrants the
same way that Trump did. That sounds good in theory,
but only if you have the systems in place to

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withstand or to handle the number of individuals who then
at that point said we're on a we're going We're
just going to.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Go because we have that's our protection.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Is all they're caring about in that administration is undoing
what the previous guy did, matter the cost. So the story,
I think very effectively laid that out. And that's why
I still have frustration with the people who aren't in
power now, because I think that step has a lot
to do with why the person in power right now

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got that power back for the second time. And that's
sort of where we are. Let's come back with a
date in history that was actually December seven. Not Pearl
Harbor related, but related to another story that in the
sports sense, governs our lives like perhaps very little other events.

(55:38):
And this the first time this took place, apparently was
on the date of December seven. We'll give you details
as we wrap up the show.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Show Rap presented by American Pressure Commercial grade Pressure Washers
since nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
It's the Bumper to Bumper Show Rap Your Guy. Show.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Hey Otani has won the Associated Press Male Athlete of
the Year award for the fourth time, breaking a tie
with none other than Michael Jordan. He now ties Lance Armstrong,
Lebron James, and Tiger Woods for most wins all time

(56:25):
among male honorees. We're seeing history, boys and girls. We
don't realize it because it's happening right in front of us.
Ain't gonna be another one that comes along, another athlete
quite like Show Hey Otani. By the way, the Dodgers
just signed on what was the name of the closer
three years. I think he got three years eighty million

(56:48):
for them. That course, that's chump change.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Three years.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, did they even expect him to play eighty million? Dollars.
One other item from the New York Times piece regarding
the degree to which the Biden White House screwed up
the immigration issue. This is a quote from Scott shoe Chart,
who joined the administration in twenty twenty two as a
senior advisor at Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The Biden White

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House quote had no strategy because they had no goal.
All they had was wishing the problem would go away
so they could focus on the things they cared about.
That's from within the administration, Boys and girls, what us
screw up now?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
And look what we're left with. But I digress.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
December seventh, that's yesterday, right, No tesso days ago, now Sunday,
Today's the ninth. This is Coach Barrero's birthday today, Happy birthday, birthday,
Coach Philly. December seventh, nineteen sixty three. With the assistance
of a videotape recorder, Instant Replay made its US debut

(57:53):
replaying an Army touchdown during the US or do I
should say, during the Army Navy game on CBS Now.
I think they're saying there, not that it was there
was anything reviewable at that point. They're just saying the
concept of Hey, you want to see that play again?
Did you see that catch that apparently was the first

(58:15):
time instant replay was used year on National TV nineteen
sixty three.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
And we're still working through the kinks. We're still working
it out. We are sad, but true.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Programming update tonight a Vikings programming change.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (58:33):
No Vikings country tonight because of the nonami Okay, so
we will bump up Vikings x's and o's with Kevin O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Well, we quoted from it a great comment from the
head coach basically channeling the bumper to bumper show on
the JJ McCarthy effort to mythologize himself with you know,
alter egos and all that stuff, and it's nine. It's
pretty frontal. Even if he qualifies a bit, that'll be

(59:01):
a part of the conversation where for the first time
it feels if it sounds like the head coach is saying,
we don't you know, come on, we don't need let's
just go play, let's just get get get better, and
we'll let the jackals mythologize. After you have a solid
body of work that extends through not weeks, but months
and perhaps.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Even years, dare we say years? Years?

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Is?

Speaker 3 (59:24):
What is the ideal?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I think I want to thank our outstanding array of
guests tonight. Kevin Seaffert joined at three point thirty, Sam
Mitchell at four thirty, and lou Were Goose at five
point fifteen. If you'd like to podcast the program later,
that will be the times for those three guests.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
We'll need SOMI nominations for tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Some have come in that I'm already holding on to
a good start, but we can continue to get those overnight,
we hope, and we will name the first NONMI. I
think we're going to have enough, if not already, I'm
told the roads are not in very good shape right now.
Because Louis could go today, he will be with us tomorrow.
We'll get his idea on the Zucarello hit and other

(01:00:06):
hockey related items and maybe even the state of the
hockey rink at the Winter Olympics in Italy, Italia. In addition,
Mason your Face is scheduled to return if he can
get in despite the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
NONAMI, but she'll be here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
He probably know snowing and special k Pat Kesser. Did
he storm the court during the Gophers men's basketball victory
over Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I don't think he stormed it, but he did tell
me he thinks we should storm it every game, every
just every game lose or just winning win. Nico actually
said on the Coaches Show that they actually started to
do that at Colorado State every single victory and it
wasn't so much a storm. It was just, hey, come out,

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he's going to wander out here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Come out and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Give high fives to the guys. He said, it's supposed
to be fun. We're begging people to come to games. Yeah,
they're not begging. They were obviously good, but we asked
me to come to games. Smoke him if you got him.
That's a different way to look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
It's just a tradition. It's a meet and greet basically, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Congratulations finally to our guy, Rocco Baldelli.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
He is back in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I think he signed as like one of those special
consultants four guests who the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Now that's a good gig, it really is. You can't
go wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Fixing yourself, connecting yourself with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Of animal, you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
You do as a consultant. You know what you say,
as a consultant for the Dodgers. Keep it up, fellas
it keep it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And they'll keep paying it because they got so much money.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
It doesn't matter different. I could see him liking La.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I wonder if does magic is magic Johnson's signature on
those payroll checks. Well, you have to text Roco find
out tomorrow. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Three