October 20, 2025 • 26 mins
Dan discusses the Vikings loss to Philly on Sunday with Talking Points reviewing the offensive line, the quarterback conundrum and the unwillingness to run the ball in key moments of the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
People are not listening very alertly.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Six one two guy saying I disagree that intentional grounding
was a forgivable play. I said it was not forgivable.
I did not say it was forgivable at all, especially
for a veteran player, especially when you have to no,
on the basis of the play itself, there is no
receiver running back, wide receiver tight end anywhere near the area.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
When you're on.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Top of that and that place on the field, you
have to find another way to get rid of the
ball in which you're not going to end up with
intentional grounding. It was unforgivable, and everybody agrees that throwing
it out the back of the end zone they tend
to is the play.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Are you familiar with something called ESPN FPI, Yeah, the
Football Power Index.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So according to the Football Power Index currently at ESPN,
maybe this explains the fat point spread in favor of
the Iowah Hawkeyes against the Gophers this Saturday afternoon or
this coming Saturday. Iowa ranks twenty fourth. We ranked sixtyth
So I guess if you're playing that out, maybe I'm
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reconacly biasing too much. How good the Gophers looked against Nebraska?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
What was.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's a very good question. I'll look at it.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I guess I just Iowa offensively is still kind of
a messy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, they have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't think their defense is quite as good as
it's been. I agree with that too.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Their quarterback is what we call a gamer, yes, right,
and he's an outstanding runner. His throwing the ball has
not been very good this year, although he did that
at his previous stops South Dakota State. But he is
outstanding and making plays with his legs and did that
multiple times on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Night Schedule logistics, This is interesting, Dan, Has there been
any discussion for the media Jackals regarding how our schedule
has shaken out?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We had the Europe trip. At least we get a bye.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Great, Then we get the Eagles coming off a mini
buy from Thursday Night Football. Then we get to go short.
Wee get to LA for Thursday. Great, but we get
our mini by after guess what. We then get the
Lions who come off a bye, and then we have
a home game against the Ravens who will become off
their mini by. Maybe this is quite common, but it
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seems incredible that we catch so many teams. Wow, after
extended time off. This is from uh Egan Minnesota. KOC
did not put a name with it. Ko C Egan Nebraska.
By the way, thirty first and FPI this week. They
were twenty third a week ago, so they dropped. We
got him to drop eight spots. We did, and we're
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still sixty Huh. We only moved up three spots.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Wow. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, despite beating Mahomes huh man, I hardy believe.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
He even has the Mahomes like gut he he has
the most he he does.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's all of it. Well, it's creepy.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
There's some creepy about it because he does that thing,
you know, Mahomes yes, with his hand between plays, got
his hand up in the air like this like I'm well,
we're on radio. They're not going to mean much other people.
But he's got in his elbow out and it's like
any and he kind of turns it like Mahomes and
going this is getting a little bit creepy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, And he's not Mahomes. Stop with the Mahomes stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He made a couple of a Grant circus plays, the
left handed throw and the one where he's like putting
it that thing, and those are nice plays under pressure,
but overthrowing people can't move.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He's ponderous. He can't move.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And again, well, here's what's funny, because what you had
told me was they like to throw a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Of short stuff. Let the receivers do something.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
My assumption was batman short stuff that they got that
the got out of the quarterback's hands quick. It didn't
look like anything was quick unless basically the Gophers said,
we're gonna sit on all that short stuff and so
we're gonna make it hard for you to do that,
and they eat know what they else, he didn't have
a plan. B.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he didn't look like they had a plan. B. No,
I think that. I think what you just said is
what happened. That they just locked up the short stuff.
There were a couple of times the one guy got
loose once. Yes, that was really nice, but that was
like the only big explosive play and that was a
drop that was on the receiver.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh, I'm thinking about play. There was a catch and
run that happened.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I think in the first it was like the one
time where a receiver really shook free because he had
There was another one that probably should have been a
touchdown to where he overthrew him. Do you hear what
Matt Ruhle said today? No, basically said we overlooked him?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Did he really?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He essentially said I couldn't, and he said, what you're
about to say? He goes, I can't believe that we're
even saying this because what have we done?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Essentially is what he said. Let's he acknowledged that, but
he said that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Even an assistant coach last week said to him, why
are we crowning these guys? And he's like, I was
trying to tell people, it's going to be a tough game.
That's Nebraska, though, that's Nebraska success.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, I'll never you can come close to it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And I shouldn't even believe in him this time, and
I really wasn't because I hadn't even watched them. But
I'm going, Okay, well, maybe this time they got something going.
It looks like offensively the kids figuring it out a
little bit. But I'm done with it. I'm done with
the whole Nebraska thing, that's for sure. Let's move over
to offense. Beyond just the quarterback situation. Let's go I
think we've had this one or a variation of it,
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win or lose almost every week.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I simply call it. Run the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
First in ten Minnesota from the Eagles nineteen, Josh Oliver
in motioned to the left of Christian Darisov. Marshon Wentz
under center, puts TJ. Hawkins in in motion play action,
floats out to the left, throws to the end zone incomplete.
He overshot Jordan Addison Right's out of the shotgun quick
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hitter left Addison incomplete. He threw it before Addison had
turned around, but he short hopped him anyway. Third and
ten from the Eagles nineteen. Him goes through the hands
of Wentz, who needs to dive on it, and he did.
The good news is he dove on the ball at
the forty two, so the Vikings keep it. The bad
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news is he dove on the ball at the forty two,
which is twenty two yards behind the line.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Of scrimmage quote Leeka, Yeah, this is the NFL. Those
kinds of things shouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Pon the tailback is and Mason Wentz with a pay
left side to Jefferson incomplete. Jefferson left his feet to
bring it in. He had it, but Cooper did Jean
knocked it out of his hands. What an awesome play
by the second.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Year corner from Iowa. With many in the crowd.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
He went to Ida Grove High School in Iowa, then
played for the Hawkeyes for three years. Pete, that was
a heck of a play.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, that was a great throw by Carson Wentz on
the back shoulder and he just got the one arm
in between the hands of Justin Jefferson and knocked that
ball loose. Now we've got one down here to get
this yard. So this is a huge running play. This
is why you brought Jordan Mason in.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
A third and one from the sixth wins thunder center.
He goes back to pass to the end zone. He
throws it incomplete. He overshot Jalen Naylor by a mile.
So now it's fourth and one. Whay action they're throwing again.
Flag on the play. Wentz right side tach Jalen Naylor
touchdown Minnesota for now, but.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Holding, I'll but there're sixty four p p pot done.
It's that's another. That's another.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm not gonna believe him either anymore. I'm just not
gonna believe Koc. Not gonna believe him. Every year he
tells us right to our faces. I have to call
it differently. There is I don't think any useful explanation
that makes any sense for in both of those possessions,
not even trying to throw the ball or run the
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ball once. Now again you could say, well, the pass works,
frankly in that Jefferson should have caught that ball. More
on that later, and then we got another completion you
just heard. It should have been a touchdown except for
the penalty, right, the holding call. But I just don't
understand what the aversion is. He's got a running back
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who is absolutely raising his hand and say and say saying,
give me the load, let me run the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'll what was that moment in Hoosiers I'll make it.
I don't understand it. So you had first and ten
at the nineteen on that first drive in completion in
completion high snap first and goal from the fifteen in completion,
in completion holding negating the touchdown throw, you have to
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settle for field goals in both cases. And again you
saw stretches where we had success running the ball. I'm
not saying and we play you obviously have to mix
it up. But I felt like we were having more
success running it than they did. And I don't know
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if he was, if he was asked about it after
the game or not. I just it just and I'll
also not here to tell you that that was the
difference in the game, but I am saying it's something
that was apparent the time that I just shook my
head and said, well, for whatever reason, even though he's
got issues at the quarterback position, he's still stubborn about it.
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He sees something and he just wants to go with
it as opposed to.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know. I mean, let's.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And one of them was a was a third and
one correct.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And the last about it, you heard Bursage basically tee
it up and say, yeah, this is why you brought
Jordan Mason here for this down right here in Piegoes
wentz back to back to pass after the setup.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And again it was a completion, but you the holding
penalty meant you had at that point you couldn't go
for it on fourth and eleven, right, You're gonna have
to kick the field goal.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Essentially took the option away. I don't I you know.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And I know we can't do the tush push like
they can, and they're very good at short yardage things
and we're not always. But I just think we have
a running back now who we could kind of trust
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was also during that break monitoring the Wonderful World of X.
I don't have an account on Blue Ski, but I'm
surely a matter of matter of time. Alec Lewis thirty
four minutes ago. He's taking a look at the all
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twenty two. Oh yeah, looking at the film.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Something he says that stands out pretty clearly Vikings Eagles.
Too much interior pressure offensively, not enough interior pressure defensively.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Is that right? Look?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean this is another subject that was explored briefly
on Sunday that as.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Much as we, you know, break down all.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
These matchups and know what's what's the Vikings offense going
to be able to do against the Eagles receive should
say corners? Might they be able to run the ball
a little bit against the Eagles defense? And vice versa?
Sort of, you know, what's the matchup like Jalen Hurts
versus the Vikings defensive backs, et cetera. They've got a
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really good running back he's not who has struggled this year?
What's that going to look like? What ultimately matters most
of the time line of scrimmage and it applied not
just to the Sunday game. It applied to your game
Friday night of Gophers Nebraska. The Gopher defensive pressure up
front was tremendous almost the entire game, and for the
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first time in quite some time, it looked like there
were some holes for Gopher running backs to run through.
So once again, meat and Potatoes often tells the tale
good and bad. Despite all of our obsession with quarterbacks
and skill players and fancy plays and circus catches, et cetera,
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it all, in the end, I think kind of it
tends to come back to exactly that. There is a
more specific example we could get to regarding the shall
we say front wall. Offensively speaking, we call this talking
point the center of attention.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Three receivers left, one right C. J. Hamm to the
right of Wentz, third and ten from the Eagles. Nineteen
high staff goes through the hands of Wentz, who needs
to dive on it, and he did. The good news
is he dove on the ball at the forty two,
so the Vikings keep it. The bad news is he
dove on the ball at the forty two, which is
twenty two yards behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Quote leek out.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Four upon one from the Eagle six, play clock down
to two on fourth down play action, they're throwing again
flag on the play Wentz right side tot Jalen Naylor
touchdown Minnesota for now Fot holding Hell but through sixty
four ten yard conny a three fourth that the fairy
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dust has clearly blown off. Lake Brandell, who played his
tailoff at Tottenham Hotspur in his very first game of
his life playing center. He earned the right to play
and start center again this game. He had a snap
that went through the hands of Carson Wentz. It was
way too high. Riker bailed them out with the field
goal try. But that penalty right there backs the Vikings
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up to the twenty four.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I don't know about that call, Paul.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It's one of those things where he just pulled the
d lineman down to his top heavy.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It wasn't a blatant hold in that regard.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Third and five from the ten, Wentz shotgun Vikings fifty
percent On third down, three receivers left Mason to the
right of Wentz, snap, Wentz looking left, Wentz sacked, Carson
Wentz sacked and he's taken down by Moro Ojamo third
year from Texas. Third sacked this year, first today by Philadelphia,
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and just like two other times in the game, when
the Vikings got down by the six or close to
the red zone, they were not able to close on it.
So Will Reikert, who's three of three on field goals,
he comes in trailing by five.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Nice little stump via Jomo. He made it look like
he was going to loop all the way to the outside,
and Brandell bit on it, and then he redirected and
came up underneath, and Brandell just didn't quite get there.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
A hike twenty two yards over a six four six
y five quarterbacks head, a holding call nullifying a touchdown,
and a sack. I don't want to pile on Blake Brandell,
as PA said he really wasn't supposed to be our
center and was playing it because he had looked surprisingly
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effective in Europe. But this is more complicated than him,
and it does point out the decision that we all
lauded when it was announced. We're going to get bigger
and stronger along the offensive line, and we're going out
to get accomplished talent, established talent from other programs, including
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the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, and that's what Ryan Kelly we
thought represented and he might have been well on his
way too representing that. But then the concussions start and
you get a little bit more information about his injury
history and his concussion history, and you say, well, were
we not in a lot of ways rolling the dice
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asking for trouble? From the beginning, the intent was noble
and understandable. We were getting the interior part of our
offensive lines getting carved in. We can't compete with that.
We saw that at the end of the season. We
certainly saw it in the postseason game against the Rams.
But the due diligence was it done properly on Ryan Kelly,
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aging player? And there were people around the league, there
were football people who said, you got a couple of
interesting players you've added, but when you add players of
that age, be careful about injury, be careful about how
often they're actually going to be available to you, because
if they are available to.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
You, they'll help you. Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And now it's an open question on Kelly right when
he's going to come back. And that started, if at all,
this year, and that started the domino effect where you
got to start moving pieces around and trying various people
because the guy you had originally, I think backing up
was not working out.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So then you think maybe you've struck gold.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Maybe there is fairy dust with this guy, and reality
did apparently set in yesterday. Again, it's against a really
good front, the Eagles front, that has to be factored in.
But I'm I think the bigger question isn't Brandell. The
bigger question is being forced to put him in that
spot and hope that it would work because of a
decision a calculated risk you took that right now does
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not look particularly favorable at all.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He had three concussions before he even got here exactly,
and two in very short order. Yes, and it was
a big contract, four years, a lot of money, yep.
And on the front end, it looked like a smart,
sensible decision because they were aggressive in addressing one of
the needs that they had up there. And unfortunately it
looks like they may have backed the wrong horse. Not
anybody's fault, not Ryan Kelly's fault, No, but should they
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have known more? It's certainly a fair second guest. I
think it's extremely fair at this point. A bottom of
the hour break, o'ver get liber about fifteen minutes from now.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Stay tuned. Ben Lieber coming up in about ten fifteen
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minutes or so. The Minnesota Vikings have issued a statement
in reaction to a couple of comments made by cornerback
Isaiah Rogers. The statement reads as follows. This is from
the Vikings. We are disgusted by the racial slurs directed
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at Isaiah Rogers following yesterday's game. As we said previously,
there's simply no room for racist words or actions in
sports society. We support Isaiah and all players who unfortunately
experienced this type of ignorant and prejudicial behavior far too often.
We ask our fans to continue to fight to eliminate racism.
Rogers had I don't know if he sent this out
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last night or this morning, talking about racial slurs that
he had indeed received, but he said maybe it was
among the worst he had yet received, including use of
the N word and at least one or perhaps more
of those.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He said.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Here's the tweet from Isaiah Rodgers. Racism is real. Keep
football football, That's not even the worst I've seen. Stay
solid or stay silent, fans, fake applause, no support or
faithful and never switching pick a side and stay on it.
Some of the most racist comments I've ever seen or
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read since I entered enter the league. I don't think
you have to This has to be either or regarding support.
If you are a discerning fan and you are frustrated
by a defense that you don't think played to the
right level, I don't think you're fake as a fan
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if you point that out and you even criticize that.
The issue to me isn't the criticism. The issue isn't
you're either with us or you're against us. It's that
regardless of whether you're with us or against us, the
one place you should never be forgiven for going to
is racism is racist nonsense.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I know we're not past this.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I know we're probably never going to be passed it,
especially in the Internet age, but that's the distinction. And
I guess people do it because they realize they can
get away with it, and they decide that's the way
they want to vent what possesses anyone frustrated by coverage
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that was nowhere near to the standard that Isaiah Rodgers
had been to this point. Has you going down that
road that has nothing to do with performance at all,
but has more to do with you as a human being,
and what you're willing to resort to have no absolutely,
no clue, no idea, But it's it's a reminder. And
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sometimes players shoot, players come up against us. They just
don't publicize it, right. I bet it happens way more
than we even exactly right, and they don't. They say, oh,
it's not worth it. I'm not going to make it
make a big deal about it. But every once in
a while they do, and they should. Says nothing to
do with what he did or didn't do as a player.
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So you go down this road, you do nothing but
reveal yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
That you have.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I guess not ever reached adulthood, never been able to
understand what the distinctions might be. But the Vikings are
saying exactly what they should say under these conditions. It
came up the sever had a link. Who did it
come up with former Viking a running back. And then
a couple of years ago this happened too. Let me
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see if I can find it from uh. I feel like
it was Alexander Madison. Might have been Madison, It might
have exactly that might have been exactly the person. Let
me double check. Yeah, in twenty twenty three, Madison decried
a receiving racist message via messages via social media after
a game. So again, I don't think you're a Fairweather
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fan if you're a discerning fan and are bothered by,
you know, a performance, although it does need to be
put in context on Rogers because he's been very good, right,
I think analytically he's been very good. Yeah, to this point,
I test he's been good, not so much yesterday. I
don't think you have to be a fair Weather fan
to point that out. But what we're talking about here
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is in another whole classification that has nothing to do
with anything that is in any way a serious or
even semi serious attempt to critique or to commentate.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You're doing it. You're doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know exactly what you're doing. I guess in the
name of you think it will be more hurtful to
that individual, and you end up, just like I said,
you just expose yourself for the fraud that you are.
So it's out there, and it again, it probably is
out there more than we know. Some players I think say, well,
is it worth I don't know if it's worth the
bother On a given day, you know what exactly to
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you do you do with it. We used to talk
to the chief about this all the time, and you know,
he his own philosophy on it was. There were times
he would fire back or make a point out of
receiving a racist message Blair Anderson, we're talking about the
former Saint Clat police chief. Other times he just I'm
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not even gonna never gonna rise it up to that
level where it's worth my time or I've got too
much to do. I got too much time on my
hands to even give that individual any sort of attention.
But every once in a while, that attention is I
think warned, warned to just remind us that that's unfortunately
what some athletes continue to have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Uh, let's pause here, We'll come back and we'll check
in with Nacho Lieber. Get his reaction to Viking's Eagles,
what stood out for him. We'll prepare with him with
a fort I should say, with him for Chargers week
as well, because we're already on the clock.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We already got the first injury report of the week.
Oh no, is it bad?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Well, they technically don't have practice, but cars went is it?
Ominous Limited Limited? JJ McCarthy Limited trying to think CJ.
Hamm didn't participate with a hand injury or wouldn't have Brosmer.
Brozemer is ready. Brozemer's prepared to go full Brozemer. He's
not even listed here. Brozemer has been thinking about the
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Chargers for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
He probably was watching Chargers filming the way back from
London see an ironman. Did he ever get hurt at
the U? Of course he was only here for about
a minute. He was only here for a year.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He did have at least one ACL injury at one
point during his college career in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, so he's already had that. He didn't have to
worry about how getting another one. He wears a bracenow.
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
People are not listening very alertly.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Six one two guy saying I disagree that intentional grounding
was a forgivable play. I said it was not forgivable.
I did not say it was forgivable at all, especially
for a veteran player, especially when you have to no,
on the basis of the play itself, there is no
receiver running back, wide receiver tight end anywhere near the area.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
When you're on.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Top of that and that place on the field, you
have to find another way to get rid of the
ball in which you're not going to end up with
intentional grounding. It was unforgivable, and everybody agrees that throwing
it out the back of the end zone they tend
to is the play.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Are you familiar with something called ESPN FPI, Yeah, the
Football Power Index.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So according to the Football Power Index currently at ESPN,
maybe this explains the fat point spread in favor of
the Iowah Hawkeyes against the Gophers this Saturday afternoon or
this coming Saturday. Iowa ranks twenty fourth. We ranked sixtyth
So I guess if you're playing that out, maybe I'm
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reconacly biasing too much. How good the Gophers looked against Nebraska?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
What was.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's a very good question. I'll look at it.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I guess I just Iowa offensively is still kind of
a messy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, they have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't think their defense is quite as good as
it's been. I agree with that too.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Their quarterback is what we call a gamer, yes, right,
and he's an outstanding runner. His throwing the ball has
not been very good this year, although he did that
at his previous stops South Dakota State. But he is
outstanding and making plays with his legs and did that
multiple times on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Night Schedule logistics, This is interesting, Dan, Has there been
any discussion for the media Jackals regarding how our schedule
has shaken out?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We had the Europe trip. At least we get a bye.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Great, Then we get the Eagles coming off a mini
buy from Thursday Night Football. Then we get to go short.
Wee get to LA for Thursday. Great, but we get
our mini by after guess what. We then get the
Lions who come off a bye, and then we have
a home game against the Ravens who will become off
their mini by. Maybe this is quite common, but it
(03:03):
seems incredible that we catch so many teams. Wow, after
extended time off. This is from uh Egan Minnesota. KOC
did not put a name with it. Ko C Egan Nebraska.
By the way, thirty first and FPI this week. They
were twenty third a week ago, so they dropped. We
got him to drop eight spots. We did, and we're
(03:24):
still sixty Huh. We only moved up three spots.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Wow. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, despite beating Mahomes huh man, I hardy believe.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
He even has the Mahomes like gut he he has
the most he he does.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's all of it. Well, it's creepy.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
There's some creepy about it because he does that thing,
you know, Mahomes yes, with his hand between plays, got
his hand up in the air like this like I'm well,
we're on radio. They're not going to mean much other people.
But he's got in his elbow out and it's like
any and he kind of turns it like Mahomes and
going this is getting a little bit creepy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, And he's not Mahomes. Stop with the Mahomes stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He made a couple of a Grant circus plays, the
left handed throw and the one where he's like putting
it that thing, and those are nice plays under pressure,
but overthrowing people can't move.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He's ponderous. He can't move.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And again, well, here's what's funny, because what you had
told me was they like to throw a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Of short stuff. Let the receivers do something.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
My assumption was batman short stuff that they got that
the got out of the quarterback's hands quick. It didn't
look like anything was quick unless basically the Gophers said,
we're gonna sit on all that short stuff and so
we're gonna make it hard for you to do that,
and they eat know what they else, he didn't have
a plan. B.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he didn't look like they had a plan. B. No,
I think that. I think what you just said is
what happened. That they just locked up the short stuff.
There were a couple of times the one guy got
loose once. Yes, that was really nice, but that was
like the only big explosive play and that was a
drop that was on the receiver.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh, I'm thinking about play. There was a catch and
run that happened.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I think in the first it was like the one
time where a receiver really shook free because he had
There was another one that probably should have been a
touchdown to where he overthrew him. Do you hear what
Matt Ruhle said today? No, basically said we overlooked him?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Did he really?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He essentially said I couldn't, and he said, what you're
about to say? He goes, I can't believe that we're
even saying this because what have we done?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Essentially is what he said. Let's he acknowledged that, but
he said that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Even an assistant coach last week said to him, why
are we crowning these guys? And he's like, I was
trying to tell people, it's going to be a tough game.
That's Nebraska, though, that's Nebraska success.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, I'll never you can come close to it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And I shouldn't even believe in him this time, and
I really wasn't because I hadn't even watched them. But
I'm going, Okay, well, maybe this time they got something going.
It looks like offensively the kids figuring it out a
little bit. But I'm done with it. I'm done with
the whole Nebraska thing, that's for sure. Let's move over
to offense. Beyond just the quarterback situation. Let's go I
think we've had this one or a variation of it,
(05:59):
win or lose almost every week.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I simply call it. Run the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
First in ten Minnesota from the Eagles nineteen, Josh Oliver
in motioned to the left of Christian Darisov. Marshon Wentz
under center, puts TJ. Hawkins in in motion play action,
floats out to the left, throws to the end zone incomplete.
He overshot Jordan Addison Right's out of the shotgun quick
(06:26):
hitter left Addison incomplete. He threw it before Addison had
turned around, but he short hopped him anyway. Third and
ten from the Eagles nineteen. Him goes through the hands
of Wentz, who needs to dive on it, and he did.
The good news is he dove on the ball at
the forty two, so the Vikings keep it. The bad
(06:47):
news is he dove on the ball at the forty two,
which is twenty two yards behind the line.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Of scrimmage quote Leeka, Yeah, this is the NFL. Those
kinds of things shouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Pon the tailback is and Mason Wentz with a pay
left side to Jefferson incomplete. Jefferson left his feet to
bring it in. He had it, but Cooper did Jean
knocked it out of his hands. What an awesome play
by the second.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Year corner from Iowa. With many in the crowd.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
He went to Ida Grove High School in Iowa, then
played for the Hawkeyes for three years. Pete, that was
a heck of a play.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, that was a great throw by Carson Wentz on
the back shoulder and he just got the one arm
in between the hands of Justin Jefferson and knocked that
ball loose. Now we've got one down here to get
this yard. So this is a huge running play. This
is why you brought Jordan Mason in.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
A third and one from the sixth wins thunder center.
He goes back to pass to the end zone. He
throws it incomplete. He overshot Jalen Naylor by a mile.
So now it's fourth and one. Whay action they're throwing again.
Flag on the play. Wentz right side tach Jalen Naylor
touchdown Minnesota for now, but.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Holding, I'll but there're sixty four p p pot done.
It's that's another. That's another.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm not gonna believe him either anymore. I'm just not
gonna believe Koc. Not gonna believe him. Every year he
tells us right to our faces. I have to call
it differently. There is I don't think any useful explanation
that makes any sense for in both of those possessions,
not even trying to throw the ball or run the
(08:31):
ball once. Now again you could say, well, the pass works,
frankly in that Jefferson should have caught that ball. More
on that later, and then we got another completion you
just heard. It should have been a touchdown except for
the penalty, right, the holding call. But I just don't
understand what the aversion is. He's got a running back
(08:56):
who is absolutely raising his hand and say and say saying,
give me the load, let me run the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'll what was that moment in Hoosiers I'll make it.
I don't understand it. So you had first and ten
at the nineteen on that first drive in completion in
completion high snap first and goal from the fifteen in completion,
in completion holding negating the touchdown throw, you have to
(09:30):
settle for field goals in both cases. And again you
saw stretches where we had success running the ball. I'm
not saying and we play you obviously have to mix
it up. But I felt like we were having more
success running it than they did. And I don't know
(09:50):
if he was, if he was asked about it after
the game or not. I just it just and I'll
also not here to tell you that that was the
difference in the game, but I am saying it's something
that was apparent the time that I just shook my
head and said, well, for whatever reason, even though he's
got issues at the quarterback position, he's still stubborn about it.
(10:11):
He sees something and he just wants to go with
it as opposed to.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know. I mean, let's.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And one of them was a was a third and
one correct.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And the last about it, you heard Bursage basically tee
it up and say, yeah, this is why you brought
Jordan Mason here for this down right here in Piegoes
wentz back to back to pass after the setup.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And again it was a completion, but you the holding
penalty meant you had at that point you couldn't go
for it on fourth and eleven, right, You're gonna have
to kick the field goal.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Essentially took the option away. I don't I you know.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And I know we can't do the tush push like
they can, and they're very good at short yardage things
and we're not always. But I just think we have
a running back now who we could kind of trust
in that situation. Let's pause here, maybe time for Bonus Bucks.
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Speaker 3 (11:47):
Questions pouring into the bratch on Brian cafan text line
as might be expected six four, six eighty six. I
was also during that break monitoring the Wonderful World of X.
I don't have an account on Blue Ski, but I'm
surely a matter of matter of time. Alec Lewis thirty
four minutes ago. He's taking a look at the all
(12:09):
twenty two. Oh yeah, looking at the film.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Something he says that stands out pretty clearly Vikings Eagles.
Too much interior pressure offensively, not enough interior pressure defensively.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Is that right? Look?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean this is another subject that was explored briefly
on Sunday that as.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Much as we, you know, break down all.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
These matchups and know what's what's the Vikings offense going
to be able to do against the Eagles receive should
say corners? Might they be able to run the ball
a little bit against the Eagles defense? And vice versa?
Sort of, you know, what's the matchup like Jalen Hurts
versus the Vikings defensive backs, et cetera. They've got a
(12:54):
really good running back he's not who has struggled this year?
What's that going to look like? What ultimately matters most
of the time line of scrimmage and it applied not
just to the Sunday game. It applied to your game
Friday night of Gophers Nebraska. The Gopher defensive pressure up
front was tremendous almost the entire game, and for the
(13:18):
first time in quite some time, it looked like there
were some holes for Gopher running backs to run through.
So once again, meat and Potatoes often tells the tale
good and bad. Despite all of our obsession with quarterbacks
and skill players and fancy plays and circus catches, et cetera,
(13:38):
it all, in the end, I think kind of it
tends to come back to exactly that. There is a
more specific example we could get to regarding the shall
we say front wall. Offensively speaking, we call this talking
point the center of attention.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Three receivers left, one right C. J. Hamm to the
right of Wentz, third and ten from the Eagles. Nineteen
high staff goes through the hands of Wentz, who needs
to dive on it, and he did. The good news
is he dove on the ball at the forty two,
so the Vikings keep it. The bad news is he
dove on the ball at the forty two, which is
twenty two yards behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Quote leek out.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Four upon one from the Eagle six, play clock down
to two on fourth down play action, they're throwing again
flag on the play Wentz right side tot Jalen Naylor
touchdown Minnesota for now Fot holding Hell but through sixty
four ten yard conny a three fourth that the fairy
(14:45):
dust has clearly blown off. Lake Brandell, who played his
tailoff at Tottenham Hotspur in his very first game of
his life playing center. He earned the right to play
and start center again this game. He had a snap
that went through the hands of Carson Wentz. It was
way too high. Riker bailed them out with the field
goal try. But that penalty right there backs the Vikings
(15:09):
up to the twenty four.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I don't know about that call, Paul.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It's one of those things where he just pulled the
d lineman down to his top heavy.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It wasn't a blatant hold in that regard.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Third and five from the ten, Wentz shotgun Vikings fifty
percent On third down, three receivers left Mason to the
right of Wentz, snap, Wentz looking left, Wentz sacked, Carson
Wentz sacked and he's taken down by Moro Ojamo third
year from Texas. Third sacked this year, first today by Philadelphia,
(15:41):
and just like two other times in the game, when
the Vikings got down by the six or close to
the red zone, they were not able to close on it.
So Will Reikert, who's three of three on field goals,
he comes in trailing by five.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Nice little stump via Jomo. He made it look like
he was going to loop all the way to the outside,
and Brandell bit on it, and then he redirected and
came up underneath, and Brandell just didn't quite get there.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
A hike twenty two yards over a six four six
y five quarterbacks head, a holding call nullifying a touchdown,
and a sack. I don't want to pile on Blake Brandell,
as PA said he really wasn't supposed to be our
center and was playing it because he had looked surprisingly
(16:27):
effective in Europe. But this is more complicated than him,
and it does point out the decision that we all
lauded when it was announced. We're going to get bigger
and stronger along the offensive line, and we're going out
to get accomplished talent, established talent from other programs, including
(16:52):
the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, and that's what Ryan Kelly we
thought represented and he might have been well on his
way too representing that. But then the concussions start and
you get a little bit more information about his injury
history and his concussion history, and you say, well, were
we not in a lot of ways rolling the dice
(17:15):
asking for trouble? From the beginning, the intent was noble
and understandable. We were getting the interior part of our
offensive lines getting carved in. We can't compete with that.
We saw that at the end of the season. We
certainly saw it in the postseason game against the Rams.
But the due diligence was it done properly on Ryan Kelly,
(17:38):
aging player? And there were people around the league, there
were football people who said, you got a couple of
interesting players you've added, but when you add players of
that age, be careful about injury, be careful about how
often they're actually going to be available to you, because
if they are available to.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
You, they'll help you. Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And now it's an open question on Kelly right when
he's going to come back. And that started, if at all,
this year, and that started the domino effect where you
got to start moving pieces around and trying various people
because the guy you had originally, I think backing up
was not working out.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So then you think maybe you've struck gold.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Maybe there is fairy dust with this guy, and reality
did apparently set in yesterday. Again, it's against a really
good front, the Eagles front, that has to be factored in.
But I'm I think the bigger question isn't Brandell. The
bigger question is being forced to put him in that
spot and hope that it would work because of a
decision a calculated risk you took that right now does
(18:36):
not look particularly favorable at all.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He had three concussions before he even got here exactly,
and two in very short order. Yes, and it was
a big contract, four years, a lot of money, yep.
And on the front end, it looked like a smart,
sensible decision because they were aggressive in addressing one of
the needs that they had up there. And unfortunately it
looks like they may have backed the wrong horse. Not
anybody's fault, not Ryan Kelly's fault, No, but should they
(19:02):
have known more? It's certainly a fair second guest. I
think it's extremely fair at this point. A bottom of
the hour break, o'ver get liber about fifteen minutes from now.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Stay tuned. Ben Lieber coming up in about ten fifteen
(19:31):
minutes or so. The Minnesota Vikings have issued a statement
in reaction to a couple of comments made by cornerback
Isaiah Rogers. The statement reads as follows. This is from
the Vikings. We are disgusted by the racial slurs directed
(19:53):
at Isaiah Rogers following yesterday's game. As we said previously,
there's simply no room for racist words or actions in
sports society. We support Isaiah and all players who unfortunately
experienced this type of ignorant and prejudicial behavior far too often.
We ask our fans to continue to fight to eliminate racism.
Rogers had I don't know if he sent this out
(20:14):
last night or this morning, talking about racial slurs that
he had indeed received, but he said maybe it was
among the worst he had yet received, including use of
the N word and at least one or perhaps more
of those.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He said.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Here's the tweet from Isaiah Rodgers. Racism is real. Keep
football football, That's not even the worst I've seen. Stay
solid or stay silent, fans, fake applause, no support or
faithful and never switching pick a side and stay on it.
Some of the most racist comments I've ever seen or
(20:56):
read since I entered enter the league. I don't think
you have to This has to be either or regarding support.
If you are a discerning fan and you are frustrated
by a defense that you don't think played to the
right level, I don't think you're fake as a fan
(21:17):
if you point that out and you even criticize that.
The issue to me isn't the criticism. The issue isn't
you're either with us or you're against us. It's that
regardless of whether you're with us or against us, the
one place you should never be forgiven for going to
is racism is racist nonsense.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I know we're not past this.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I know we're probably never going to be passed it,
especially in the Internet age, but that's the distinction. And
I guess people do it because they realize they can
get away with it, and they decide that's the way
they want to vent what possesses anyone frustrated by coverage
(22:00):
that was nowhere near to the standard that Isaiah Rodgers
had been to this point. Has you going down that
road that has nothing to do with performance at all,
but has more to do with you as a human being,
and what you're willing to resort to have no absolutely,
no clue, no idea, But it's it's a reminder. And
(22:22):
sometimes players shoot, players come up against us. They just
don't publicize it, right. I bet it happens way more
than we even exactly right, and they don't. They say, oh,
it's not worth it. I'm not going to make it
make a big deal about it. But every once in
a while they do, and they should. Says nothing to
do with what he did or didn't do as a player.
(22:45):
So you go down this road, you do nothing but
reveal yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
That you have.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I guess not ever reached adulthood, never been able to
understand what the distinctions might be. But the Vikings are
saying exactly what they should say under these conditions. It
came up the sever had a link. Who did it
come up with former Viking a running back. And then
a couple of years ago this happened too. Let me
(23:15):
see if I can find it from uh. I feel like
it was Alexander Madison. Might have been Madison, It might
have exactly that might have been exactly the person. Let
me double check. Yeah, in twenty twenty three, Madison decried
a receiving racist message via messages via social media after
a game. So again, I don't think you're a Fairweather
(23:36):
fan if you're a discerning fan and are bothered by,
you know, a performance, although it does need to be
put in context on Rogers because he's been very good, right,
I think analytically he's been very good. Yeah, to this point,
I test he's been good, not so much yesterday. I
don't think you have to be a fair Weather fan
to point that out. But what we're talking about here
(23:59):
is in another whole classification that has nothing to do
with anything that is in any way a serious or
even semi serious attempt to critique or to commentate.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You're doing it. You're doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know exactly what you're doing. I guess in the
name of you think it will be more hurtful to
that individual, and you end up, just like I said,
you just expose yourself for the fraud that you are.
So it's out there, and it again, it probably is
out there more than we know. Some players I think say, well,
is it worth I don't know if it's worth the
bother On a given day, you know what exactly to
(24:35):
you do you do with it. We used to talk
to the chief about this all the time, and you know,
he his own philosophy on it was. There were times
he would fire back or make a point out of
receiving a racist message Blair Anderson, we're talking about the
former Saint Clat police chief. Other times he just I'm
(24:58):
not even gonna never gonna rise it up to that
level where it's worth my time or I've got too
much to do. I got too much time on my
hands to even give that individual any sort of attention.
But every once in a while, that attention is I
think warned, warned to just remind us that that's unfortunately
what some athletes continue to have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Uh, let's pause here, We'll come back and we'll check
in with Nacho Lieber. Get his reaction to Viking's Eagles,
what stood out for him. We'll prepare with him with
a fort I should say, with him for Chargers week
as well, because we're already on the clock.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We already got the first injury report of the week.
Oh no, is it bad?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Well, they technically don't have practice, but cars went is it?
Ominous Limited Limited? JJ McCarthy Limited trying to think CJ.
Hamm didn't participate with a hand injury or wouldn't have Brosmer.
Brozemer is ready. Brozemer's prepared to go full Brozemer. He's
not even listed here. Brozemer has been thinking about the
(25:59):
Chargers for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
He probably was watching Chargers filming the way back from
London see an ironman. Did he ever get hurt at
the U? Of course he was only here for about
a minute. He was only here for a year.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He did have at least one ACL injury at one
point during his college career in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, so he's already had that. He didn't have to
worry about how getting another one. He wears a bracenow.
Nacho is next.
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