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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's go ahead and lance the boil right away, or
as soon as we could on what's been a very
busy program. Right now via Vikings talking Points, I'm very
curious to hear the PA and bursage call of the
fourth and one faithful and ultimately calamitous moment yesterday afternoon
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in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's fourth and one snap. Rosner rolls out to the right.
He's in trouble. He's gonna pull the ball up and
it's picked up. Awful decision by next Brosner, and this
is going to be a defensive touchdown for the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's Ernest Jonestop bar put the first.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Touchdown of his career, and Seattle has taken a nine
zero lead. Max Brozner, falling to the field, decided to
underhand it to absolutely nobody accept Earnest Jones, and he's
gonna go the distance for the first touchdown of the game.
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Seattle has taken a nine zero lead. It'll be a
pick six up right around eighty five yards.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Frustrating.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was apparently so frustrating that the box very shortly
afterwards tweeted out unbelievable for him, rather unusual negativity yes,
about the call, the decision on the fourth and one,
And look, I'll say again his accuracy, Brozeman's accuracy was
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so off that I'm not sitting here suggesting that a
better decision there might have turned into a Vikings victory.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
But I am here to tell you again over and
over that.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I mean, you can even make the argument that if
you're going to run that play at all on fourth
and one, you run it with JJ McCarthy, not Max Brozman,
because Max Brozman does not move all of that. Well, now, again,
maybe if it's a block better, maybe if he takes
such a little different angle, who's to say, but it
was maybe if the.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Vikings actually ran the ball on fourth and one, historically
they would actually buy the playfake and give him a
little bit of time. But go ahead, there's no reason
to obviously to buy the play fake. All the numbers
have been in on just how inept our passing our
conversion rate is on what is it on third and
three and shorter or fourth and three and shorter. It's abysmal,
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it's historical, historically bad. And then that's where you're back to.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, how many That's why I still don't believe koc
because he's acting like this is the first time you're
back to just because that's the play call that you
had set up for that situation on your sheet based
on the defense that's in front of you, that you're
then obligated to follow through with it, as opposed to, well,
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who's my quarterback, what's the circumstance, what's the vibe in
the game here?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Maybe? And by the way, he could have been stopped.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
On a running play on fourth and one, it would
have you know, it's been known to happen from time
to time. Where were they at the five, the ten?
They were inside the ten, weren't they? Yeah, I don't
remember where they were. You obviously don't want to leave
points on the table. You don't want to turn them
all over with no points on fourth and one and
not getting the first down on a run. But at
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least they're starting from inside the ten and your defense
has played well. I mean example of what I was
talking about, how success tends to disguise or mask weakness,
whether it comes to bad drafts. Vikings drafts were just
as bad last year, but nobody cared because they were
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they had a fourteen to three season or the problem
was already had already reared its head. I guess more
generally would be the best way to put it. So
it the circumstance is what ends up. I guess how
much how much. The best way to put it is
how much you emphasize a given weakness is completely based
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on how much success you've had, and the Vikings have
had almost no success with any number of quarterbacks this
year trying to be you know, creative and throwing on
a down where if you have a real offense and
you have a real functioning quarter you say, well, that's
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the play call. It made sense to to to follow
through it that play call. Unfortunately, that's not a real
world in twenty twenty five. And yet the head coach again,
I'm not gonna hold him responsible for ultimately the underhand toss,
which was the worst sign of desperation in any quarterback
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in that situation. It's a play obviously you cannot even
ever consider making. But human nature being what it is,
you're feeling the heat literally and figuratively, you're trying to
make a play. And I don't know what he I
assume addressed it. I have no idea what he was thinking,
what what Max was thinking about me, but it was
it was. It was honestly, was one of those plays
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where you want to look away, you know, you're like, oh,
I think I did almost like, no, oh my, was.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That really where we're at? Are we really there? Because
at that point, what was the score?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Ten?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It was three zero? Wasn't it? Was it three to zero?
Hang on, I was close.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I know that it was. The game at that point
was not out of control. It was three zero and
it was fourth and one at Seattle's four. That touchdown
made it ten zero, and the Vikings had just gotten
the strip sack, right, they sacked Arnold and got the fumble.
So you're in a good spot. Even though the offense
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didn't do anything for the entire first quarter. The offense
kept in it. They gave you the turnover, they give
you the short fields. What I was what I was
trying to get to. And then I had one of
those who's the.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Analyst on NBC Saturday Night or Sunday Night who's getting
ripped because he lost his train of thought, Rodney Harrison.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Oh, it's it's odd though.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The people are I guess somehow projecting that must mean
he had a bunch of concussions and he's losing his mind.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Now it's like, well, could he have just lost his
train of thought? That happens.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, I do it every day and and you know it.
It does happen from time to time. It's really I
wouldn't say it's the end of the world. If kocs
record in one score games was average, well, probably five
hundred or worse with him, Yeah, I mean, but that
cuts both ways. You can say, is there a skill
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to being able to run to win one score games?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think it can be a sign of knowing how
to run a game, and I think he does. But
the other thing that gets lost that would have been
bigger if somehow the Vikings would have been more competitive
and still in the game, is Sam Darnold did not
look that good yesterday. No did well the he I'm
not saying he didn't look as bad as Brosmer, but
he did not look sure of himself.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He did not look confident.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That offense ultimately got a touchdown late when it really
didn't matter at that point, but their only their made.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Whatever success they had offensively tended.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
To be running the ball or just going far enough
to set up another fifty five year ad field goal.
So again, in better circumstances for the people who have said, well,
they blew it. Not keeping Sam Darnald, the AMMO yesterday
would have been the opposite would have been, well, know
what we saw yesterday was maybe he's starting to come
back to the pack a little bit now he's allowed
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to not have a great game every week. Overall, I
believe he's top ten in QBR in the National Football League,
and so you have to get him a little bit
of slack for that. But it wasn't a game at
all where the Seattle offense looked like it was beyond
the control of the Minnesota defense.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Correct, No, the defense handled it. Daniel Jones, by the way,
is coming back to the pack as well.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
He is.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
They've lost a couple in the row inhouse. People are
thinking the Colts are in free fall.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
The think part of Donald's confusion was that he wasn't
aware of who Dallas Turner was, because that version of
Dallas Turner has not existed.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I didn't exist. He had a great game yesterday. I did.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
That's cheap shot number one. The PA tweet. I was
at Great Food Hall for one of our appearances, you know,
doing the watch party. How does that go? How does
the watch party go when it's that kind of ball game?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I mean, is it?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Do you do gallows? I mean, yeah, are you doing
one liner? Gallows? Humor kind of a thing for people
accept that and they get grumpy, Bob. They don't want
to hear any snark if they show up for an
event like that. Even if the product is as wretched
as it was.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
It's not fun. Thankfully, the food's good and everybody there
is drinking. I'm not the and I was talking with
the staff there yesterday. I've had like four Death March
watch parties at grays, like the combined. Well, the first
game was the first game, the Monday night game, where
it was terrible until the fourth quarter, and then it
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was fun because the people that were still there at
ten thirty on Monday night. Yes, we're having a great time.
And McCarthy played well, so that was cool. But Darryl
Thompson came and watched with me yesterday, my buddy from
the Gopher Radio Network, former Gopher, former packer, and Charlie
Swanson les why is that? They were all there so
we were just hanging out. It was fun and a
bunch of Gopher rubs are there.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It was cool.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
But I showed the PA tweet to both of them
and said, do you guys understand how bad it has
to be that mid game, mid quarter Paul Allen has
to go to Twitter to tweet out about how best
the call is? Yes, and did you can we read
it for the audience?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah? I pulled it up. Just pulled up. Yeah, I
just pulled up on Alec Lewis when we go ahead?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I mean, what the bleep with that fourth down by
the Viking? Seriously, Brosemer foolishly throws an eighty four yard
pick six, but with respect, just shocked the way that
play developed on fourth and short. Sorry to second guess,
but this is the guy's first NFL start. Wow hashtag
still skull. I was donned by it? Do you realize
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It's what I said? I go, I can't believe what
I'm seeing here. That's how bad that situation was.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Here's the the stat that a lot of people have used.
I saw it via Alec Lewis regarding converting on a
third and three or fewer. Yeah, this is not astonishing,
but again not so surprising when you dovetail it with
and messure with every other stat and analytic that just
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continues to confirm that what we're seeing via the eye test,
it's as bad as the eye test it would indicate,
and may be worse the vikings converting I have converted
on third and three or fewer. In other words, they
have been able to get a first down thirty six
point one percent of the time. That's the third lowest
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percentage of any team in twenty five years in the
National Football League League average league average over the twenty
five year span span, I should say, is around sixty percent.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Rust. That's the more damning part right there.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
The other stat is, and somebody I've seen this floating
around too, is our breakdown on how often on third
and three or shorter we even try to run the
ball compared to when we try to throw the ball.
I don't even think. I don't think there's another team
that's close to us in that regard. And look, I'll
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admit that it's probably too easy to make it seem
like everything's great with the Chicago Bears, like they're never
going to lose another game. Right there, they're emerging as
the flavor of the month. They're a good story. They're
having a good season to this point. They went to
Philadelphia when everybody said we're going to They're about to
be exposed on Black Friday, and they took care of
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the Eagles rather handily and rushed for close to three
hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
They're built differently. I get that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You know they don't have an established wide receiver superstar
in in Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I understand that part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
But I'm just here to tell you Ben Johnson is
not only not afraid to run on second and ten,
he welcomes the opportunity to run on second and ten.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't think most of the time he thinks he's
going to get the ten, but I think he thinks
he's got a good chance to get six, yeah, or five,
and he goes, okay, sure, now we're third down, and
I got a lot of tricks up my sleeve on
third and five, running and throwing the ball. I said
this on Sermons yesterday before any of this nonsense took place.
Ben Johnson runs because he relishes it, KOC when he
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bothers to run, does it just because he thinks he
has to it's a big difference in the Ben Johnson
world of offense. It's cool to run, and again, they
still have some limitations both off passing game and occasionally
the run game fails him a little bit. And it's
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still a passing league. I understand that as well. But
it speaks to and maybe this has got to be
part of the makeover again. Maybe we still don't have
the right even with the changes we made on the
offensive line, maybe it's still not the right kind of
offensive line. Versus talk about this. Are we a road
grading offensive line? Maybe we're still not. But if the
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answer is we're not, then we got to do something
about it. I honestly believe this, even if we still
want to make our bread and butter throwing the football.
I'm running late, So let's get a pause in. We'll
get to another Vikings talking point. We'll prepare for Ben Lieber.
He will join us as well at four forty. I
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got more Vikings talking points to get to. But an
interesting text just came in via the branche on Brian Kavan.
Text line from Mike in looks like new Richmond Dan.
I know you've been kind of a JJ skeptic in
this season has proven he has a lot of work,
a lot to work on, which has a right to
do as a very young player. That's said, and with
what we saw from Max's additional evidence, at what point
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we're willing to say it might be Ko failing the
young quarterbacks more than the young quarterbacks failing Koh Well,
I mean, in fairness, I'm not going to go that
far about failing, but I am going to say what's
good for the goose is good for the gander. I mean,
if we're going to praise Ko s every time things
go well, as it certainly did with Sam Darnold and cousins, Cousins,
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you're right, then you have to have some reponsibility for this.
And this is obviously a different circumstance because these are
quarterbacks who aren't reclamation projects. These are quarterbacks who've never
really made a name for themselves at this level. Here's
where it gets funky to me, in all seriousness, as
much as I hate the national speculation we talked about
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earlier that the clocks started today on are the Vikings
going to have to trade?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
When is JJ? When is Justin Jefferson going to demand
a trade? Do you know who stoked some of those flames.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Randy Moss on yesterday, that doesn't surprise Greene started the
whole conversation by playing it because they were saying, at
what point do you, yeah, does JJ get frustrated?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
In mos Bass said I'd have asked out.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, well we asked out after one week. Yeah, it
shouldn't surprise any true. But but what I what I
more honestly do wonder is if you're justin Jefferson, how
do you not start considering it? Because let's say you
believe what you've said publicly that JJ McCarthy still has
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a chance. You know that you believe in him, and
he's got to be patient and he's going.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
To get better.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
But on the basis of what we've seen, there's no guarantee.
I don't think that he breaks through next season, no
even but realistically, at least as of right now, you're
going to play him according to the current plan. So
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if you're justin Jefferson, I think the wheels have to
be turning a little bit and going on, wait a minute,
so I I've got to project this out realistically that
he you know, he's missed a bunch of games already. Again,
he missed the entire rookie season. He's already missed a
bunch of games this year. He might get hurt again.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Who knows. And by the way, somebody earlier is mad
at you.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And I guess me by extension about the cheap shots
about injuries like you had mentioned, we might get another injury. Well, well,
here's the truth of it, our four to forty seven guests.
When we talked to him last week, Ben Lieber was
muttering about injury. I don't think it's meant as he's
defective in that regard. But this is a league in which,
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any of these leagues in which you're going to be
evaluated in part on the ability to stay on the fields.
What they all say, it's just a fact. It doesn't
mean the player has to be soft, but it's a factor.
It definitely is. But I really think it for JJ,
justin Jefferson, that JJ, You're going, well, I do I
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have that much time to wait. He's twenty six years old.
He'll be twenty seven before next season, so I gotta
wait till twenty eight before I can go. Okay, now
he's ready to maybe make a big time playoff run.
Now again, maybe the light bulb goes off even the
rest of this season, and he's in a lot better place,
and then it's easier to project next year. But here's
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where again, And I guess this is all depends on
how the degree to which the Vikings value Justin Jefferson
to get the most out of what he represents to
not I guess have to sort of regret the possibility
that you're wasting two more of his prime years. Aren't
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you back to doing what you haven't wanted to do,
going out and getting a veteran quarterback, which is what
they were talking about today on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Exactly the back to mac Jones.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That name is going to come up because he is
at least a competent professional. Maybe again he too has
figured something out.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Daniel Jones will be available. Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I even understand why some people might roll their
eyes and say, well, we are here, we go again.
We're back to exactly where we were, which means that
might be a year experiment or a two year experiment,
and then we're looking again and then what you know,
are we ever just going.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
To get the guy?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, the timing might be off here if your goal
is to just live with the ups and downs of
the young quarterback if he is as ill prepared right
now as JJ McCarthy seems to be. So do you
value McCarthy, I should say, justin Jefferson that much ago
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
We're never gonna trade him. You out of your mind.
He's too good a player.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But I think you do run matt risk of saying, well,
we thought we had the franchise quarterback, but what if
we don't and then we're wasting two more years or another.
This year is already a waste, and next year even
there's a good chance that that's gonna be maybe not
as bad as this year, but just kind of middle
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of the road here where McCarthy kind of gets.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
His feet under him.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's where the catch twenty two sets in. Where you go,
you might have to go the other route. Even if we,
in our hearts don't believe that the upside of mac
Jones and or Daniel Zones is as great as what
we thought we saw on tape and projected JJ McCarthy
to be, you have to rethink all of that. I
don't think you have any any choice. So I hate
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those formulaic story angles, you know, about you know, flower
Country Town to player. Gotta get him out of there
because sometimes it's it's it's oversimplified. But I think there's
some truth to it now. And frankly, let's be honest,
justin Jefferson's approach after the game doesn't help.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
That's what got it all started.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm not mad at him right because the guy he's
almost always available, but understandably you're going, well, okay, so
where is his head at this point? He looked his
head did not look like in a good play. Helly,
he wouldn't even sit on the bench for a while.
He was sitting on a stool next to the next
to the gatorade.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Looked like he didn't want to be around anybody else.
He was just gonna be off by himself. So all
those things have to make That's part of what makes
this thing so complicated moving forward.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I know we have to break again, but the the
JJ discuss is part of it. But honestly, I think
what you talked about with Johnny earlier is an even
bigger problem. The lack of formidable draft picks in depth
on the team in general, right like and JJ is
obviously a huge part of that McCarthy. But I'm sure
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he's looking at all them, going, yeah, he went out
and spent this money. Offensive line. They're not on the
field a lot of the time, even our high draft picks.
Jackson was out again yesterday, Zara saw I was out
again yesterday. Like the guys that are supposed to be
the high priced ones aren't playing. Like where is this
thing going? It's of course a lot about the QB,
but all of a sudden it's getting late early on
a lot of these guys. It seems like Kyle is
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suggesting that I should not forget about Kyler Murray. I
have no interest in Kyler Murray more do I maybe
as Wolf's point guard, but not so much as the
Viking shore.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's a baseball player too. The Twins could use him.
I didn't think of it. I remember that was a
big thing. Is he going to play baseball or football?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
A lot of people have also are hoping that very
soon on a regular basis, Joe Polett will be on
the program on the Bumper for show.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
We take him?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We would take them, wouldn't we? There's no question about there.
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Speaker 3 (23:37):
Should This one probably will not take very long. This
is the.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Justin Jefferson production, the all of all, in their entirety
of the Justin Jefferson catches in Seattle yesterday evening or afternoon.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Justin Jefferson class skill without a reception. This is a
good time for you right now.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Justin never has played a game without a reception in
the NFL. Rosmer Is thirteen of twenty for ninety two
yards and a pick works out of the shotgun, looks left,
gets away from pressure, throws left. It's caught by Jefferson
behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
He's thrown down so violently throw that flag. I mean,
what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Even worry?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
That's a rookie move by a rookie, and he's going
to be penalized for it. Minnesota two of nine on
third down, pass less to Jefferson, caught it the forty
five dives ahead inside the numbers to the forty yard line,
gain of eight on third and twenty one.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So now it's fourth and thirteen and there we go.
We're going for it. Now we're going to go for it.
Okay on fourth and thirteen.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Beat that.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So two catches was a four yards net. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
The play where he got thrown down, he lost four, yeah,
and then he gained eight on that last one.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's hard to believe.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Get to fifteen yards for the penalty because he technically
threw that after he got thrown down.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
A dumb play, really dumb, because it's terrific play. They
had him behind the line of scrimmage and not that.
I mean, look at the time, I'm going, well, maybe
this this is what lights a fire into the vikings.
I should have known better than that. There was no
fire that was going to change everything in that game.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But yeah, not it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It didn't go particularly well for JJ. As we said,
his numbers have been well chronicled regarding what he the
average number of yards he has had with pretty much
several different quarterbacks before McCarthy. With McCarthy was a forty
five yards, fifty yards, and obviously with Brozmer it was
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net of four yards as well. Oh, was there anything
else from the I listened to a decent amount of
them of the koc pressure today. Did anything else strike
you about it? Other than he seemed. He did seem
rather forlorn.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They did.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
The tone, The tone seemed a little bit more what's
the word I'm looking for, surrender worthy.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
He'll never admit to that and would never agree with it,
but it just it just looked like he was more
resigned to the Vikings fate than I've seen before. He
did bring up Adam Feelin before he started taking questions
from the Jackals. Yep, and most of you probably know
by now, Feeling has been released by the Vikings. He'd
apparently asked to be released a week ago, and he's
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irregular with us at three point thirty. He did not
guards you. Did reach out to him today, but he
has not responded. Maybe he does not want to talk
at this point. We'd love to have him on at
least once more.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
There.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, it's interesting because some of the texts from
people are very, very tough on Feeling. And I'm not
here to automatically defend him because he's been on our
show every week, But I think you're kind of missing
the point, at least for me. I look at the Feeling.
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I always viewed his acquisition as insurance, especially because the
Vikings are going to be without Addison was the first
three weeks.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yep. They kind of projected that's what they was going
to be the case. That's what turned out to be. Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And JJ was heard during training camp too, exactly. You
throw those two things in and you assume it's the
game of football. Well, we're gonna lose a receiver during
the season two and it's probably been the healthiest position
on the entire team. Now can you argue well that,
but yeah, if you're a wily veteran, you still should
find a way to make yourself more vital and he has.
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I think you dropped three passes. The answer to that
question is ordinarily yes, but not with the current quarterback situation.
This is unprecedented what this Vikings offense is going through
in terms of the quarterback position. It really is for
this organization for sure, and some others have been through it.
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But at that point, all bets are off on my
ability to evaluate any of the receivers. I know we've
dropped some balls. I know it could have helped the
ear guy Brosemer out yesterday that went over the middle,
although I did think he needed to put a little
bit more under a little more air on it, under it.
But and even with McCarthy, have there been some catches
that should have been made? Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Does he throw a hard ball?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I think that's true too, And a lot of the
balls aren't even close to the same area code. So
I never had the expectations at Adam Thielen, We're going
to see Adam Thielen in his prime catching six balls
a game or anything like that. So I'm not as
down on the acquisition. I went into it with eyes open. Clearly,
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he's disappointed that it's ending this way. There's no way
he of course this was orchestrated the way it was
with him thinking well, i'mnn have leave again, okay, And
I don't know if he's gonna have a landing place,
whether he's gonna have a chance where he goes to
actually contribute. But I don't I don't think we can
honestly evaluate any of the receivers right now in the Vikings,
including the ones in their prime, on the basis of
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the way this thing has played out at the at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You know what else?
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Hurt feelings that Jalen Naylors had a pretty good but yeah,
exactly like the question I think developed into a really
nice piece. Again, we're not gonna get the full experience
with him because of how the quarterbacks have played. But
when Naylor's playing really well, making tough catches the dagger
catch a couple of weeks ago against Detroit like he's
playing well, So that was gonna hurt Adam Theelen too.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, now I'm logged out again and said, I'm gonna
have to get the verification code again.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
It's good system. Well he got a break before Leber. Yeah,
we do.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Let's do that and then we'll get Nacho's second day
take on the first day or something like that of
what he observed regarding the late the the I guess
you could say night marriage performance in Seattle, not to
be confused with several other night marriage performances in Seattle
for the Vikings over the decades, liber and more Vikings
Talking Points, Top five at five yet to come, and
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much more SATs
Let's go ahead and lance the boil right away, or
as soon as we could on what's been a very
busy program. Right now via Vikings talking Points, I'm very
curious to hear the PA and bursage call of the
fourth and one faithful and ultimately calamitous moment yesterday afternoon
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in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's fourth and one snap. Rosner rolls out to the right.
He's in trouble. He's gonna pull the ball up and
it's picked up. Awful decision by next Brosner, and this
is going to be a defensive touchdown for the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's Ernest Jonestop bar put the first.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Touchdown of his career, and Seattle has taken a nine
zero lead. Max Brozner, falling to the field, decided to
underhand it to absolutely nobody accept Earnest Jones, and he's
gonna go the distance for the first touchdown of the game.
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Seattle has taken a nine zero lead. It'll be a
pick six up right around eighty five yards.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Frustrating.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was apparently so frustrating that the box very shortly
afterwards tweeted out unbelievable for him, rather unusual negativity yes,
about the call, the decision on the fourth and one,
And look, I'll say again his accuracy, Brozeman's accuracy was
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so off that I'm not sitting here suggesting that a
better decision there might have turned into a Vikings victory.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
But I am here to tell you again over and
over that.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I mean, you can even make the argument that if
you're going to run that play at all on fourth
and one, you run it with JJ McCarthy, not Max Brozman,
because Max Brozman does not move all of that. Well, now, again,
maybe if it's a block better, maybe if he takes
such a little different angle, who's to say, but it
was maybe if the.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Vikings actually ran the ball on fourth and one, historically
they would actually buy the playfake and give him a
little bit of time. But go ahead, there's no reason
to obviously to buy the play fake. All the numbers
have been in on just how inept our passing our
conversion rate is on what is it on third and
three and shorter or fourth and three and shorter. It's abysmal,
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it's historical, historically bad. And then that's where you're back to.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, how many That's why I still don't believe koc
because he's acting like this is the first time you're
back to just because that's the play call that you
had set up for that situation on your sheet based
on the defense that's in front of you, that you're
then obligated to follow through with it, as opposed to, well,
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who's my quarterback, what's the circumstance, what's the vibe in
the game here?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Maybe? And by the way, he could have been stopped.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
On a running play on fourth and one, it would
have you know, it's been known to happen from time
to time. Where were they at the five, the ten?
They were inside the ten, weren't they? Yeah, I don't
remember where they were. You obviously don't want to leave
points on the table. You don't want to turn them
all over with no points on fourth and one and
not getting the first down on a run. But at
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least they're starting from inside the ten and your defense
has played well. I mean example of what I was
talking about, how success tends to disguise or mask weakness,
whether it comes to bad drafts. Vikings drafts were just
as bad last year, but nobody cared because they were
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they had a fourteen to three season or the problem
was already had already reared its head. I guess more
generally would be the best way to put it. So
it the circumstance is what ends up. I guess how
much how much. The best way to put it is
how much you emphasize a given weakness is completely based
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on how much success you've had, and the Vikings have
had almost no success with any number of quarterbacks this
year trying to be you know, creative and throwing on
a down where if you have a real offense and
you have a real functioning quarter you say, well, that's
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the play call. It made sense to to to follow
through it that play call. Unfortunately, that's not a real
world in twenty twenty five. And yet the head coach again,
I'm not gonna hold him responsible for ultimately the underhand toss,
which was the worst sign of desperation in any quarterback
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in that situation. It's a play obviously you cannot even
ever consider making. But human nature being what it is,
you're feeling the heat literally and figuratively, you're trying to
make a play. And I don't know what he I
assume addressed it. I have no idea what he was thinking,
what what Max was thinking about me, but it was
it was. It was honestly, was one of those plays
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where you want to look away, you know, you're like, oh,
I think I did almost like, no, oh my, was.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That really where we're at? Are we really there? Because
at that point, what was the score?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Ten?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It was three zero? Wasn't it? Was it three to zero?
Hang on, I was close.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I know that it was. The game at that point
was not out of control. It was three zero and
it was fourth and one at Seattle's four. That touchdown
made it ten zero, and the Vikings had just gotten
the strip sack, right, they sacked Arnold and got the fumble.
So you're in a good spot. Even though the offense
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didn't do anything for the entire first quarter. The offense
kept in it. They gave you the turnover, they give
you the short fields. What I was what I was
trying to get to. And then I had one of
those who's the.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Analyst on NBC Saturday Night or Sunday Night who's getting
ripped because he lost his train of thought, Rodney Harrison.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Oh, it's it's odd though.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The people are I guess somehow projecting that must mean
he had a bunch of concussions and he's losing his mind.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Now it's like, well, could he have just lost his
train of thought? That happens.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, I do it every day and and you know it.
It does happen from time to time. It's really I
wouldn't say it's the end of the world. If kocs
record in one score games was average, well, probably five
hundred or worse with him, Yeah, I mean, but that
cuts both ways. You can say, is there a skill
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to being able to run to win one score games?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think it can be a sign of knowing how
to run a game, and I think he does. But
the other thing that gets lost that would have been
bigger if somehow the Vikings would have been more competitive
and still in the game, is Sam Darnold did not
look that good yesterday. No did well the he I'm
not saying he didn't look as bad as Brosmer, but
he did not look sure of himself.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He did not look confident.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That offense ultimately got a touchdown late when it really
didn't matter at that point, but their only their made.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Whatever success they had offensively tended.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
To be running the ball or just going far enough
to set up another fifty five year ad field goal.
So again, in better circumstances for the people who have said, well,
they blew it. Not keeping Sam Darnald, the AMMO yesterday
would have been the opposite would have been, well, know
what we saw yesterday was maybe he's starting to come
back to the pack a little bit now he's allowed
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to not have a great game every week. Overall, I
believe he's top ten in QBR in the National Football League,
and so you have to get him a little bit
of slack for that. But it wasn't a game at
all where the Seattle offense looked like it was beyond
the control of the Minnesota defense.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Correct, No, the defense handled it. Daniel Jones, by the way,
is coming back to the pack as well.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
He is.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
They've lost a couple in the row inhouse. People are
thinking the Colts are in free fall.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
The think part of Donald's confusion was that he wasn't
aware of who Dallas Turner was, because that version of
Dallas Turner has not existed.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I didn't exist. He had a great game yesterday. I did.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
That's cheap shot number one. The PA tweet. I was
at Great Food Hall for one of our appearances, you know,
doing the watch party. How does that go? How does
the watch party go when it's that kind of ball game?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I mean, is it?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Do you do gallows? I mean, yeah, are you doing
one liner? Gallows? Humor kind of a thing for people
accept that and they get grumpy, Bob. They don't want
to hear any snark if they show up for an
event like that. Even if the product is as wretched
as it was.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
It's not fun. Thankfully, the food's good and everybody there
is drinking. I'm not the and I was talking with
the staff there yesterday. I've had like four Death March
watch parties at grays, like the combined. Well, the first
game was the first game, the Monday night game, where
it was terrible until the fourth quarter, and then it
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was fun because the people that were still there at
ten thirty on Monday night. Yes, we're having a great time.
And McCarthy played well, so that was cool. But Darryl
Thompson came and watched with me yesterday, my buddy from
the Gopher Radio Network, former Gopher, former packer, and Charlie
Swanson les why is that? They were all there so
we were just hanging out. It was fun and a
bunch of Gopher rubs are there.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It was cool.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
But I showed the PA tweet to both of them
and said, do you guys understand how bad it has
to be that mid game, mid quarter Paul Allen has
to go to Twitter to tweet out about how best
the call is? Yes, and did you can we read
it for the audience?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah? I pulled it up. Just pulled up. Yeah, I
just pulled up on Alec Lewis when we go ahead?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I mean, what the bleep with that fourth down by
the Viking? Seriously, Brosemer foolishly throws an eighty four yard
pick six, but with respect, just shocked the way that
play developed on fourth and short. Sorry to second guess,
but this is the guy's first NFL start. Wow hashtag
still skull. I was donned by it? Do you realize
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It's what I said? I go, I can't believe what
I'm seeing here. That's how bad that situation was.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Here's the the stat that a lot of people have used.
I saw it via Alec Lewis regarding converting on a
third and three or fewer. Yeah, this is not astonishing,
but again not so surprising when you dovetail it with
and messure with every other stat and analytic that just
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continues to confirm that what we're seeing via the eye test,
it's as bad as the eye test it would indicate,
and may be worse the vikings converting I have converted
on third and three or fewer. In other words, they
have been able to get a first down thirty six
point one percent of the time. That's the third lowest
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percentage of any team in twenty five years in the
National Football League League average league average over the twenty
five year span span, I should say, is around sixty percent.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Rust. That's the more damning part right there.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
The other stat is, and somebody I've seen this floating
around too, is our breakdown on how often on third
and three or shorter we even try to run the
ball compared to when we try to throw the ball.
I don't even think. I don't think there's another team
that's close to us in that regard. And look, I'll
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admit that it's probably too easy to make it seem
like everything's great with the Chicago Bears, like they're never
going to lose another game. Right there, they're emerging as
the flavor of the month. They're a good story. They're
having a good season to this point. They went to
Philadelphia when everybody said we're going to They're about to
be exposed on Black Friday, and they took care of
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the Eagles rather handily and rushed for close to three
hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
They're built differently. I get that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You know they don't have an established wide receiver superstar
in in Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I understand that part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
But I'm just here to tell you Ben Johnson is
not only not afraid to run on second and ten,
he welcomes the opportunity to run on second and ten.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't think most of the time he thinks he's
going to get the ten, but I think he thinks
he's got a good chance to get six, yeah, or five,
and he goes, okay, sure, now we're third down, and
I got a lot of tricks up my sleeve on
third and five, running and throwing the ball. I said
this on Sermons yesterday before any of this nonsense took place.
Ben Johnson runs because he relishes it, KOC when he
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bothers to run, does it just because he thinks he
has to it's a big difference in the Ben Johnson
world of offense. It's cool to run, and again, they
still have some limitations both off passing game and occasionally
the run game fails him a little bit. And it's
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still a passing league. I understand that as well. But
it speaks to and maybe this has got to be
part of the makeover again. Maybe we still don't have
the right even with the changes we made on the
offensive line, maybe it's still not the right kind of
offensive line. Versus talk about this. Are we a road
grading offensive line? Maybe we're still not. But if the
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answer is we're not, then we got to do something
about it. I honestly believe this, even if we still
want to make our bread and butter throwing the football.
I'm running late, So let's get a pause in. We'll
get to another Vikings talking point. We'll prepare for Ben Lieber.
He will join us as well at four forty. I
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got more Vikings talking points to get to. But an
interesting text just came in via the branche on Brian Kavan.
Text line from Mike in looks like new Richmond Dan.
I know you've been kind of a JJ skeptic in
this season has proven he has a lot of work,
a lot to work on, which has a right to
do as a very young player. That's said, and with
what we saw from Max's additional evidence, at what point
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we're willing to say it might be Ko failing the
young quarterbacks more than the young quarterbacks failing Koh Well,
I mean, in fairness, I'm not going to go that
far about failing, but I am going to say what's
good for the goose is good for the gander. I mean,
if we're going to praise Ko s every time things
go well, as it certainly did with Sam Darnold and cousins, Cousins,
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you're right, then you have to have some reponsibility for this.
And this is obviously a different circumstance because these are
quarterbacks who aren't reclamation projects. These are quarterbacks who've never
really made a name for themselves at this level. Here's
where it gets funky to me, in all seriousness, as
much as I hate the national speculation we talked about
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earlier that the clocks started today on are the Vikings
going to have to trade?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
When is JJ? When is Justin Jefferson going to demand
a trade? Do you know who stoked some of those flames.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Randy Moss on yesterday, that doesn't surprise Greene started the
whole conversation by playing it because they were saying, at
what point do you, yeah, does JJ get frustrated?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
In mos Bass said I'd have asked out.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, well we asked out after one week. Yeah, it
shouldn't surprise any true. But but what I what I
more honestly do wonder is if you're justin Jefferson, how
do you not start considering it? Because let's say you
believe what you've said publicly that JJ McCarthy still has
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a chance. You know that you believe in him, and
he's got to be patient and he's going.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
To get better.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
But on the basis of what we've seen, there's no guarantee.
I don't think that he breaks through next season, no
even but realistically, at least as of right now, you're
going to play him according to the current plan. So
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if you're justin Jefferson, I think the wheels have to
be turning a little bit and going on, wait a minute,
so I I've got to project this out realistically that
he you know, he's missed a bunch of games already. Again,
he missed the entire rookie season. He's already missed a
bunch of games this year. He might get hurt again.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Who knows. And by the way, somebody earlier is mad
at you.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And I guess me by extension about the cheap shots
about injuries like you had mentioned, we might get another injury. Well, well,
here's the truth of it, our four to forty seven guests.
When we talked to him last week, Ben Lieber was
muttering about injury. I don't think it's meant as he's
defective in that regard. But this is a league in which,
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any of these leagues in which you're going to be
evaluated in part on the ability to stay on the fields.
What they all say, it's just a fact. It doesn't
mean the player has to be soft, but it's a factor.
It definitely is. But I really think it for JJ,
justin Jefferson, that JJ, You're going, well, I do I
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have that much time to wait. He's twenty six years old.
He'll be twenty seven before next season, so I gotta
wait till twenty eight before I can go. Okay, now
he's ready to maybe make a big time playoff run.
Now again, maybe the light bulb goes off even the
rest of this season, and he's in a lot better place,
and then it's easier to project next year. But here's
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where again, And I guess this is all depends on
how the degree to which the Vikings value Justin Jefferson
to get the most out of what he represents to
not I guess have to sort of regret the possibility
that you're wasting two more of his prime years. Aren't
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you back to doing what you haven't wanted to do,
going out and getting a veteran quarterback, which is what
they were talking about today on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Exactly the back to mac Jones.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That name is going to come up because he is
at least a competent professional. Maybe again he too has
figured something out.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Daniel Jones will be available. Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I even understand why some people might roll their
eyes and say, well, we are here, we go again.
We're back to exactly where we were, which means that
might be a year experiment or a two year experiment,
and then we're looking again and then what you know,
are we ever just going.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
To get the guy?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, the timing might be off here if your goal
is to just live with the ups and downs of
the young quarterback if he is as ill prepared right
now as JJ McCarthy seems to be. So do you
value McCarthy, I should say, justin Jefferson that much ago
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
We're never gonna trade him. You out of your mind.
He's too good a player.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But I think you do run matt risk of saying, well,
we thought we had the franchise quarterback, but what if
we don't and then we're wasting two more years or another.
This year is already a waste, and next year even
there's a good chance that that's gonna be maybe not
as bad as this year, but just kind of middle
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of the road here where McCarthy kind of gets.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
His feet under him.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's where the catch twenty two sets in. Where you go,
you might have to go the other route. Even if we,
in our hearts don't believe that the upside of mac
Jones and or Daniel Zones is as great as what
we thought we saw on tape and projected JJ McCarthy
to be, you have to rethink all of that. I
don't think you have any any choice. So I hate
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those formulaic story angles, you know, about you know, flower
Country Town to player. Gotta get him out of there
because sometimes it's it's it's oversimplified. But I think there's
some truth to it now. And frankly, let's be honest,
justin Jefferson's approach after the game doesn't help.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
That's what got it all started.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm not mad at him right because the guy he's
almost always available, but understandably you're going, well, okay, so
where is his head at this point? He looked his
head did not look like in a good play. Helly,
he wouldn't even sit on the bench for a while.
He was sitting on a stool next to the next
to the gatorade.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Looked like he didn't want to be around anybody else.
He was just gonna be off by himself. So all
those things have to make That's part of what makes
this thing so complicated moving forward.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I know we have to break again, but the the
JJ discuss is part of it. But honestly, I think
what you talked about with Johnny earlier is an even
bigger problem. The lack of formidable draft picks in depth
on the team in general, right like and JJ is
obviously a huge part of that McCarthy. But I'm sure
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he's looking at all them, going, yeah, he went out
and spent this money. Offensive line. They're not on the
field a lot of the time, even our high draft picks.
Jackson was out again yesterday, Zara saw I was out
again yesterday. Like the guys that are supposed to be
the high priced ones aren't playing. Like where is this
thing going? It's of course a lot about the QB,
but all of a sudden it's getting late early on
a lot of these guys. It seems like Kyle is
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suggesting that I should not forget about Kyler Murray. I
have no interest in Kyler Murray more do I maybe
as Wolf's point guard, but not so much as the
Viking shore.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's a baseball player too. The Twins could use him.
I didn't think of it. I remember that was a
big thing. Is he going to play baseball or football?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
A lot of people have also are hoping that very
soon on a regular basis, Joe Polett will be on
the program on the Bumper for show.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
We take him?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We would take them, wouldn't we? There's no question about there.
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Speaker 3 (23:37):
Should This one probably will not take very long. This
is the.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Justin Jefferson production, the all of all, in their entirety
of the Justin Jefferson catches in Seattle yesterday evening or afternoon.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Justin Jefferson class skill without a reception. This is a
good time for you right now.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Justin never has played a game without a reception in
the NFL. Rosmer Is thirteen of twenty for ninety two
yards and a pick works out of the shotgun, looks left,
gets away from pressure, throws left. It's caught by Jefferson
behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
He's thrown down so violently throw that flag. I mean,
what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Even worry?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
That's a rookie move by a rookie, and he's going
to be penalized for it. Minnesota two of nine on
third down, pass less to Jefferson, caught it the forty
five dives ahead inside the numbers to the forty yard line,
gain of eight on third and twenty one.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So now it's fourth and thirteen and there we go.
We're going for it. Now we're going to go for it.
Okay on fourth and thirteen.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Beat that.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So two catches was a four yards net. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
The play where he got thrown down, he lost four, yeah,
and then he gained eight on that last one.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's hard to believe.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Get to fifteen yards for the penalty because he technically
threw that after he got thrown down.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
A dumb play, really dumb, because it's terrific play. They
had him behind the line of scrimmage and not that.
I mean, look at the time, I'm going, well, maybe
this this is what lights a fire into the vikings.
I should have known better than that. There was no
fire that was going to change everything in that game.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But yeah, not it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It didn't go particularly well for JJ. As we said,
his numbers have been well chronicled regarding what he the
average number of yards he has had with pretty much
several different quarterbacks before McCarthy. With McCarthy was a forty
five yards, fifty yards, and obviously with Brozmer it was
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net of four yards as well. Oh, was there anything
else from the I listened to a decent amount of
them of the koc pressure today. Did anything else strike
you about it? Other than he seemed. He did seem
rather forlorn.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They did.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
The tone, The tone seemed a little bit more what's
the word I'm looking for, surrender worthy.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
He'll never admit to that and would never agree with it,
but it just it just looked like he was more
resigned to the Vikings fate than I've seen before. He
did bring up Adam Feelin before he started taking questions
from the Jackals. Yep, and most of you probably know
by now, Feeling has been released by the Vikings. He'd
apparently asked to be released a week ago, and he's
(26:38):
irregular with us at three point thirty. He did not
guards you. Did reach out to him today, but he
has not responded. Maybe he does not want to talk
at this point. We'd love to have him on at
least once more.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
There.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, it's interesting because some of the texts from
people are very, very tough on Feeling. And I'm not
here to automatically defend him because he's been on our
show every week, But I think you're kind of missing
the point, at least for me. I look at the Feeling.
(27:14):
I always viewed his acquisition as insurance, especially because the
Vikings are going to be without Addison was the first
three weeks.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yep. They kind of projected that's what they was going
to be the case. That's what turned out to be. Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And JJ was heard during training camp too, exactly. You
throw those two things in and you assume it's the
game of football. Well, we're gonna lose a receiver during
the season two and it's probably been the healthiest position
on the entire team. Now can you argue well that,
but yeah, if you're a wily veteran, you still should
find a way to make yourself more vital and he has.
(27:48):
I think you dropped three passes. The answer to that
question is ordinarily yes, but not with the current quarterback situation.
This is unprecedented what this Vikings offense is going through
in terms of the quarterback position. It really is for
this organization for sure, and some others have been through it.
(28:10):
But at that point, all bets are off on my
ability to evaluate any of the receivers. I know we've
dropped some balls. I know it could have helped the
ear guy Brosemer out yesterday that went over the middle,
although I did think he needed to put a little
bit more under a little more air on it, under it.
But and even with McCarthy, have there been some catches
that should have been made? Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Does he throw a hard ball?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I think that's true too, And a lot of the
balls aren't even close to the same area code. So
I never had the expectations at Adam Thielen, We're going
to see Adam Thielen in his prime catching six balls
a game or anything like that. So I'm not as
down on the acquisition. I went into it with eyes open. Clearly,
(28:53):
he's disappointed that it's ending this way. There's no way
he of course this was orchestrated the way it was
with him thinking well, i'mnn have leave again, okay, And
I don't know if he's gonna have a landing place,
whether he's gonna have a chance where he goes to
actually contribute. But I don't I don't think we can
honestly evaluate any of the receivers right now in the Vikings,
including the ones in their prime, on the basis of
(29:15):
the way this thing has played out at the at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You know what else?
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Hurt feelings that Jalen Naylors had a pretty good but yeah,
exactly like the question I think developed into a really
nice piece. Again, we're not gonna get the full experience
with him because of how the quarterbacks have played. But
when Naylor's playing really well, making tough catches the dagger
catch a couple of weeks ago against Detroit like he's
playing well, So that was gonna hurt Adam Theelen too.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, now I'm logged out again and said, I'm gonna
have to get the verification code again.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
It's good system. Well he got a break before Leber. Yeah,
we do.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Let's do that and then we'll get Nacho's second day
take on the first day or something like that of
what he observed regarding the late the the I guess
you could say night marriage performance in Seattle, not to
be confused with several other night marriage performances in Seattle
for the Vikings over the decades, liber and more Vikings
Talking Points, Top five at five yet to come, and
(30:12):
much more SATs
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