December 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show talking about another great performance by Jesper Wallstedt in Edmonton and if we are truly ready to have a great goalie?? Wolves guard Mike Conley makes his regular appearance on the show to recap the last few weeks.
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Two minutes and thirty one seconds past three Central Standard time,
we welcome you back.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It is a midweek.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Wednesday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on a
well getting decidedly by the hour more frigid Wednesday afternoon
here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis.
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And Saint Paul. Guardsy produces the program.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
My name is Dan Barrero, former instane Retch newspaper.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Of the Twin Cities.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We are delighted that you are along for at least
a part of what could end up being an extremely
bumpy ride between now and Guardsy tells me six o'clock today.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's a three hour.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Tour today preempted a bit early for Golden Gopher men's basketball.
It's our big ten lidlifter correct for the two thousand
and twenty five twenty six season. We're playing a football
school against the I believe Indiana is undefeated in football
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and basketball.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The Hoosiers lost in basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
They haven't played like the a loaded schedule, but I
don't think they've lost a game yet. We know Indiana
football hasn't lost a game yet, they have not big
ten title games coming up this week.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean, who knew? Who knew that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Indiana University is now one of the blue bloods, as
we like to say in the business, one of the
blue bloods. So that is why we're out at six o'clock.
Eventually I'll get my verification code in and we will
get to the branch on Brian kfe In text line
as well. More on that later in the broadcast it does.
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This is sort of a follow up to how I
started the program yesterday, where I mused during our Toys
for Tots events event at Shields and Eden Prairie, thank
you for your participation and your generosity. So which cataclysmic
Vikings game do I have to think about today to
start to show it's got nothing to do with the
Vikings in this case, and it's really the other end
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of the spectrum. As I said, the question yesterday is
whether deep down Vikings fans, despite all the moaning and
whining and complaining, that you do actually prefer to keep
that as your identity, that you wouldn't know what to
do if you couldn't do what you just did already
whine and moan and complain and a poor, poor, pitiful me,
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because right now we are in a prosperous situation when
it comes to goaltending in the National Hockey League. You know,
we always complain about the trades that we screw up,
or we look at other teams who are able to
seemingly steal a player or steal a spot in the
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draft and then prosper for the next five to ten
to fifteen to twenty years as a result of it.
Right now, we're that team. Right now, we're the ones
who are reaping the benefits of a draft day maneuver
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that allowed your Minnesota while to move up. I believe
it was two spots three drafts ago. Was it three
drafts to go?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Or four?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Twenty twenty one? So I guess that'd be well, they'd
be coming up on more than that and secure the
opportunity to draft mister Volstett, who pitched I believe his
fourth shutout in is it six games or is it
eight games?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I have to check out.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I had it in front of me, and I lost
the I forgot to bring my print out last night.
At the expense of Edmonton and the hockey inside and
hardcorees know this, but the hockey casuals might not. That's
the team we made the pick, the trade within.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I did not know that until last night.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Their pick at number twenty that we stole. And for
the record, if you if you want to further talk
about how we are prospering, my understanding is the player
they took a twenty two isn't even I think has
already been traded away from the team, and the extra
the third round pick we had to give up to
move up to spots.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
In addition, I don't think he's ever even played with
the club.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I don't think he's a factor at all. Now, big picture,
I'm not sure that that we can declare volst At
the best goaltender in the history of hockey, or at
the very least even yet the history.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Of the Minnesota Wild might be the way.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's a long way from here to there, but all
of the signs are quite positive so and promising certainly
so to that extent, we're that team right now.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
We are that franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We'd identified a player and a goalie who and I
guess I'd forgotten this part.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He was not.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Universally loved at the time of the draft, there were
some people who thought he had a chance to be special.
There were other people as young as he was who
thought he was going to be a disaster, that he
wasn't mature enough, that there were In fact, he articulated
some of those raps against him. He felt they were false,
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But he got into that last night after pitching the
shutout against Edmonton. Now it is fair to say, though
even the Wild admit he's made some changes since last
season that they feel a team officials feel have contributed
to his turnaround this season, including better conditioning, which was
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one of the charges against him back during that draft.
But we don't have to in this case wallow in
our misery like, oh god, look what that team did.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
They got they found.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Their goaltender maybe for the next ten years by just
moving up in the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Why can't we ever do that? Well we did in
this case.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
We have, and last night it crystallized nicely that the shutout,
in this case, his fourth, would come against the team
that apparently had no interest in him. Perfectly and by
the way, a franchise that is desperately continues to be
desperately in need of a goaltender as well.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So we like to think, well, that's us.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Usually we're the team that gave up or gave up
a draft choice, or allowed another team to move the
leap frog, us to take a player that we weren't
interested in.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Look what that players doing. We're on the other end
of that.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Now it's in Edmonton where they feel like they're the
victims there what now?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Of course it's all relative.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
They've had a lot of success as a team, but
they haven't been able to take the last step, have they?
And part of the reason, allegedly is because they can't
find a big time goaltender. Fourth shutout in his last
six games, and Edmonton, I mean they tested him last night.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You had to make thirty three.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I watched about the last period and a half of
that one after a scintillating overtime victory for your Minnesota
Timberwolves in New Orleans, the always plucky New Orleans Pelicans,
and even like listening to Lapanta. Lapanta is very excitable, right,
he's he can get the octaves going. I think he's
so used to these epic saves by the Great Wall
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of Saint Paul that it's just second nature now to
go another saved by Valstad kicks it away, a lot
of activity up front, No problem saved Walstad.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
We're going the other way because that's all he's watched
basically for the last ten games of his plays.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Pretty fun. It's it's great.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because you can't say the Wild had the better of play.
You know, we've always talked about that. Yeah, especially in
the playoffs. Well we dominated their goalie just played better.
Now it's happening in the opposite too. That's the other
way that this has changed, which is fun. People say,
I can't say they played great the whole time. They
obviously got the goal that they needed brodein, which was funny.
But you have goaltenders that are you have a goaltender
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that's basically either stealing you games, but certainly keeping you
in games while you find your own game, which is
a fun place to live. He is the fourth rookie
goaltender in the history of the league, and the first
in eighty seven years to pitch four shutouts in six games.
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Can you name any of the others? I probably can't.
I probably shouldn't try. I couldn't. Although I liked the
nickname of the Boston Bruins goalie who did it most
recent in nineteen twenty eight on the nineteen twenty twenty
nine Boston Bruins.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh goodness, Tiny Thompson. Tiny Thompson.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Now does that mean Tiny was literally tiny or was
it the opposite? The tiny was actually an enormous goaltender
for the time. Yeah, and so the nickname was against
type Tiny Thompson. His pads were probably bigger than nah
yeah ja ja's. They were probably bigger the others. Frank
we Actually the most recent is Frank Brimseck. Bruins Tiny Thompson.
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Uh did it in nineteen twenty eight twenty nine. Somebndy
named Dolly Dolson did it for the nineteen twenty eight
twenty nine Detroit Cougars.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh interesting, the Detroit Cougar's. I didn't know they were
a team.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Tiny wasn't very big. He was only five to ten,
so they were being literal. Well, but I bet you
five point ten then I think that was pretty been
pretty tall. Yeah, don't you think? I don't know how
was he how much did he weigh? Do we know?
I don't see this weighed in? There was it like,
you know, like one hundred and sixty pounds. Well that
is pretty tiny then, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Maybe they meant it literally in that game back in
the twenties. They told the truth. I like the John
Hines quote too. He's he's I think he's k telling
it a little bit. Here's this was his comment after
the game. You need to have consistency, and each month
presents different challenges. There's still a lot of hockey left
to be played. What's encouraging is that he had a
good offseason, made some real commitments to show he wants
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to be able to get the best out of himself.
We know he has NHL talent, but now he's learning
the other parts, whether it was the game or being
a starting goalie, or how important sometimes some things around
the game are, whether it's nutrition, your rest, recovery. Practice
is a big win. Let's keep taking it in short
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spurts with him, and as long as he continues to
do what he's doing, he'll get an opportunity to play.
That sounds like a coach who is well aware of
his goalie's history and he doesn't want him to get
the big head too fast, doesn't it. It sounds like
he's yeah for sure. Again, this is great, This is wonderful,
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This is in some ways historic, and we'll ride it out.
He's already, I mean, the head coach has already acknowledged
how well he's doing because he's gone from having him
as a backup goalie to to gus boss to now
we're going every other game. Right, Basically we're alternating goaltenders
for the for the president and perhaps the immediate future
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as well. So Tiny Thompson, by the way, was the
tallest player on his team as a teenager. That's why
they gave him the nickname Tiny, so at the time
it was ironic. Yeah, he played at times for the
Duluth Hornets, even local. Right, this is the second time
something like this has happened for a Minnesota led goaltender.
I love this Discovery Radio. We had no I had
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no idea any Thompson. Yeah, he was kind of one
of us for a while. Millers, that's that's too good.
So again, we don't have a banner out of this yet.
I understand all of that, but it's the perfect kind
of angle and that we wallow in our misery that
why can't we ever steal somebody? Well, right now, it
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looks like they stole somebody from a franchise desperately in
need for a goaltender. And as it turns out, what
we gave up was not nearly enough. Basically, we had
to give up our own one. You know, we swept
swap spots, and we give up a number three. And
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that all looks very very good, very very promising right now,
And again, not so long ago, it didn't look like
anything because it didn't look like he was going anywhere.
But maybe it's the classic light bulb off in the head.
Let me ask you this question as we go to
break two. So if you if you believe the most
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I believe the most important position in hockey is goalie.
Sure it's not going out on a limb. Other people
might say center, you know, scoring, so whatever, But I
would say goal We can we say check that box
right now. Okay, in football we would assume it's quarterback.
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We can't check that box right now. What player in baseball? Like,
what position in baseball? For me, it's pitcher. It used
to be starting. I would say, still starting pitcher. We
have a chance to semi check that box. But we're
apparently wanting to erase one of the checks at least one,
at least one, maybe both of them correct and maybe
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with bux it on the way as well for an
everyday player. And then what support am I leaving out basketball?
What what's considered the box you need to check in basketball?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
What position? Is it a position? It's probably just get
you a bucket, it's is it?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, one would assume it's what Anthony Edwards represents.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I think so it is very better.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was about a time it might have been point guard,
but the league has changed a little bit on that.
Give me your thoughts on that via the branch on
brykafean text line six four six eighty six will set
up the rest of the program as well when we.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Come back.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And Ronnie Lang Guy Wrights, I think basketball's most important
player is a two way guy, regardless of position.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Slightly expand out.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Baseball is up the middle, catcher, shortstop, center field, football,
center or line, quarterback, hockey, goalie, and center. Basketball needs
two or three.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Star wings.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think he's trying to say, or center, power forward.
That's from four of the five positions. Yeah, Hugo guy, Well,
maybe he's just those.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I don't know. I'm a little confused by by that one.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
NBA's most important position is an ownership is ownership, and
GM goes out and gets the best players, pays the
most star players, run the show, Sga, Joker and ant.
I think Oklahoma City has still only lost one game.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They're twenty in one. Yeah, I think there are twenty
two in one, all right? Is that what it is now?
And the game they.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Lost shouldn't count because this is I think it was
the second night of a back to back in Portland,
so I'm surprised that the league is even counting that,
to be honest with you, twenty one and one, it's
twenty one in one, okaykind of split the difference. What's
our show lineup today? We got Mike Conley at the
bottom of the hour, correct, coming up about seven minutes
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from now, and a Mason your face and studio between
four and five?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Is that correct? Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And then so we do think we're gonna get Kessler
on the way back. We're okay, yeah, I think we're
getting him. We're out at six tonight, as you mentioned
over hoops, so he would join at five pot fifteen.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There's a lot to get to with him. That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Uh, so we'll try to get caught up if we
have a chance to with uh with special k Dan
opening with wild Hockey Talk Toys for Tots must have
put him in a holiday mood. We're just trying to
follow the story. I mean, it's not that difficult. What
I'm learning from the hockey community is that you're damned
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if you do.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You're damned if you don't.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know, if we don't start the show talking about
the red hot Minnesota Wild and the kid goaltender, it's
what you're going to talk about it today? When were
you going to talk about it? Then you talk about
what looks like you're jumping on the bandwagon. You know,
m's must be in a holiday spirit. Seriously, and you wonder,
hockey guys, why people accuse you of that much defensiveness.
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It's just just just take the victory. Uh speaking of
victory six one two, guy, are you going to give
Billy Garrean any credit?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
What was implied Garran made the pick? Didn't he?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I would imagine the trade and he was very specific
about the development. Yes of yesper correct. He talks about
it a lot like we can't he can't. He did
the old KOC organization's failed goalies more than goalies fail organizations. Yes,
that's why they kept him in Iowa and kind of
bounced him back and forth and didn't want to give
him too much too soon. You though, his debut last year,
if you remember, was a meat grinder. I think it
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was Dallas, Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It was.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, it's because we've screwed up. We screwed him up
going to the three, their three goalie system.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Maybe I do remember vaguely he tried to get garon
going on that, but he was very particular about how
he should be brought along. That's true. Which that's true.
You're obviously he's not done yet. He just started. But
it's a good, good sign of how he's playing. And
that was all part of this. Uh, this is an
interesting this is Hugh, This is a Hue guy a
second time or actually first self awareness. Loved to hear
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it from him last night postgame about his maturity level
or lack there of last year.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
How quickly would.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The will the Minnesota hockey community get in his head
and mess him all up?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Wow? Is you guy?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Is that really a Johnny Athletic burner account? Do you
think I think they could be. I mean cause joh
who was complaining yet again about the inconsistency regarding commitment
to the defensive side of the floor of your Minnesota Timberwolves.
It was Johnny Athletic, Yeah, among others. Ain't no inconsistency
about the way the Wild is committing itself to defense
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right now, sir, between the goaltenders and what's happening in
front of them as well. I don't believe I'll keep
the I'll keep some of the other texts in mind.
On mind I should say on key positions. I yeah,
basketball is a little funkier, but I'll tell you, man,
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if everything feels better in hockey if you have big
time goaltending and in baseball if you have big time
starting pitching.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I know about the up the middle stuff and that
it all fits together, But why do they matter? Because
they set the tone right almost regardless of what your
offense is doing. They can keep you in the game,
whether the game is hockey, goaltender or baseball starting pitcher. Right,
starting pitcher throws well. I was about to say eight
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shutout innings. That's a different era, but it sets a
tone in a way that makes everything seem cleaner and
more possible, regardless of what you are doing offensively. Mike Conley,
point guard Minnesota Timberwolves, will get his reaction to a
couple of interesting things said by his head coach in
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the wake of the Wolves really way too messy, but
nevertheless crucial victory against the terrible Pelicans and more.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
When we return, Randall sees two in the corner.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Steven Jenzo out to read extra pass.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Conley yes, corner pocket for Mike Conley from down ten,
top ten Wolves, one ten Spurs, one hundred, beautiful fall
movement and resultans in a Mike Conley wide open look.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
As I mentioned, Glenn Mason will join in studio about
four o'clock or so, and then we expect to visit
with Pat Kesler. But Mike Conley just heard there. Our
favorite play by play guy hit a very key three
pointer against the Spurs to help save them in that game.
Joined us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. I'm assuming,
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what do you get three days in New Orleans? Is
that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Three days?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Are you a New war.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Would you classify yourself as a New Orleans guy?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I mean it's cool. I like the South, you speing
down this way. But you know, I have a good
time when I'm here. But yeah, I've been here so
many times now I probably stay in my room more
often than that.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, that's you know what, that's probably There's probably a
few players over the years Mike Conley have said that's
what I should have done, right, that's for sure. There
could be the occasional temptation in that regard. I want
to get to a quote. Get your reaction to a
quote from your head coach. I think he said this
before last night's game. Kind of started the season a
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little bored. That's not something that you want to admit to.
But a team that's had two deep runs, I think
we just maybe started the season a little bit flat
and board and just realizing you got to put the
work in now. That might be just great honesty from
the head coach. You know, that's not something fans ever
want to hear. But is there some truth to that
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or what do you make of those comments?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You know, I think it. You know, I'll say coach
has a good pulse of our team and understands, you know,
the ins and out of what we need to be
who we want to be for a season. But as players,
I think you come into every season and you come
in with the right mindset. You come in with you know,
you want to come out here and be the best
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team you can be and individually and and as a whole.
And you know, I think making two big runs like
we did the last two seasons, you get shorter off seasons.
You you get you know, fixated on the idea of
getting back to that point so much that you can
bypass some of the smaller steps they get in the
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way of that route of getting back to that situation.
And and we still have a lot of young guys,
We still have a lot of guys who you know,
are navigating that and it's in front of them, and
and and it takes time. You know, It's not something
that we take for granted at all that we think
that we just going to make it back. But you
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can see how a lot of guys' minds are, you know,
wanting to get back to where we're at. But we
still have to do the work and stuff, have to
do the small things to get us there.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Does that all that make the Oklahoma City Thunder defending
champions twenty one and one an outlier.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
It makes I mean, them being who they are is amazing.
It just goes down to, you know, the culture they have,
the players that they have acquired, the you know, the
way that team is put together, and Shay and all
those guys just buying into a way of playing. And
they do it every single night, regardless if it's the
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fourteenth worst team or the you know, the second best
team in the league. Whoever they're playing that night. They
don't play the they don't play the opponent. They go
out there and implement their game no matter who they're
out there playing against. And and that's the impressive part
of what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It is pretty astonishing for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So last night it felt to me like it followed
a pattern. We've seen a few games where defense looked
very casual to me early and then you're on the
risk of encouraging a team with a terrible record that hey,
maybe it's our night. I mean, we can we can
win a game, maybe we can steal a victory, and
then you guys got too got a lot more serious defensively.
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Turn things as it was, it still felt very very
nerve wracking the way the thing played out.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
What did you see last night?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh yeah, I think it was that was evident.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I thought we.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
You know, we had stretches where we were trying to
do the right thing, but there was part of the
game we just were not able to get a hold
of early. And you know that was there, playing with
a lot of pace, and they were getting up and
down in transition and kind of beating us down the
floor before our defensive gets set and and that's how
they were kind of getting into a good rhythm. And
once we kind of you know, lost the lead and
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had to dare our way back into the game, I thought,
guys to start taking away those things, taking away the
easy opportunities and and trying to create more physicality defensively
and impose our will offensively. And when both those things
are going our way, we start playing better basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, you know, Edwards obviously had another hit a huge
second half. I think he was ten for sixteen from
the floor. What I liked the best was the tying
basket to the hoop, driving all the way in, didn't
take didn't take a fade away, which he can hit.
We all know he can hit a lot of shots.
He's he can hit for all over the place. But
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I liked, I encourage that. I like to see more
of that, and I know sometimes the defenses take that away,
but I loved that he just went downhill and went
to the basket.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, we told him at the time out man, you
got to get in the paint, you got to go
make a play. And he did just that, and and
that's exactly where we went from him. And there's so
many good things that happens. When he's able to get
downhill and get to the rim, they're going to have
to foul him to stop them most times, and if not,
he's going to finish. So he gave ourselves, gave our
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give our team second life with that bucket, and gave
us a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Mike Conley joining us. The Wolves have a day off.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
They're gonna play the Pelicans again, I believe, tomorrow night.
So you know, it's interesting you've been around. We've talked
a lot over the years with you about how long
you've been in this league, and you're at a point
in your career now where if I feel like every
other week there's a there is speculation nationally speaking about Okay,
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is this a point guard? The Wolves might consider it's
already coming up since Chris Paul was released, whether that
might be something that would would interest the Wolves. Are
you adult enough on this like you are about everything
else to say it's just it comes with the territory
or do you.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Take it more personally?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
How do you process what seems to be this sort
of ongoing feeling of okay to the Wolves?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Are they gonna stand.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Pat or might they make a big move and supplement
themselves at the point guard position? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:05):
No, I've always handled this this stuff like I handle everything.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Man.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I'm no stranger to being traded. I'm not a stranger
from being in the trade talks. For the majority of
my young career Memphis, I was there were drafting guards
every other year, and you know, I was on the
trade block early in my first two years, and so
it just became part of what I thought the NBA was.
So just handling that has always been a big thing
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for me, and knowing that that'side of my control. I
go out there and play the minutes I play. I play,
you know, as hard as I can. If a team
wants me here, I'm here. If I'm not, I'll help
whoever I have to help. So it is part of
the it's a part of our society, our our game today,
and there's a lot of speculation every day on it
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if you win or lose, or how your team looks
on a weekly basis. So just handling it, handle it,
handle it, and you know, just trying to, you know,
take control of what I can.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Would you still in your herder hearts rather be starting.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
You know, as a competitor. Yeah, I think everybody wants
to be a starter in the league. But for our team, honestly,
I think I'm I'm in the right spot. I think
I am. I think I'm I'm you know, Dante and
that group is playing really well together. They play off
each other very well, and I think it's best for
our team, so you know. But yeah, so I'm happy,
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excited for all the guys, and I'm still excited for
the opportunity I have right now and as soon keep
trying to go forward with it and and get better
with it each week.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
One of the tough things I think for I think
one of the places where it's challenging for Finchy to
thread the needle though, is who to play at the
end of the game. We've had some as you know,
with two three minutes to go, some meltdowns where there
have been there a series of bad turnovers or maybe
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a couple of dumb fouls, maybe a couple of miss
free throws that all contribute to big leads evaporating, and
in Fincy's world, he may say, Okay, well, this is
the lineup that largely got us the lead, so therefore
I want to kind of stick with it. And sometimes
that means you're not on the floor, and I still
feel like they miss what I think at your best
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you represent in those situations where you're the guy who's
going to likely you know, get the inbounds pass, get
the ball from out of bounds. I still think that's
that's that's part of the challenge for for for Fincy,
even if, as you say, in terms of balancing the lineups,
that might make more sense at this point for you
to come off the bench.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
What do you think, Well, yeah, I think you know,
coach Coach is going to make the right decisions at
the end of the game. And some games I'm in there.
Some some games I'm not as obvious. Obviously, when when
I am in there, I'm trying to you know, manage
the game in a lot of different ways, and in
be in that voice, understanding time and score, not letting
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us lose our minds over stuff, and kind of resettling
things down. Is what I can really really provide for
the unit we have is, you know, a lot of
the guys out there maybe not be in their true
position and not having to bring the ball up in
uncomfortable positions or in an uncomfortable situation. So just trying to,
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you know, when I do get the opportunity to be
out there, is to be as much help as I can.
And when I'm not out there, just you know, on
the bench, just guiding those guys and trying to prepare
them and trying to make sure that they have everything
in front of them to help hopefully minimize, you know,
any more mistakes that we have going forward, especially this season.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
A texture named Linwood Township Guy wants to know from you, well,
why doesn't ant get the calls of the superstars good?
Or is the contact minimal? And he just wants every
touch to be a file. I'll broaden the question out
this way. I've always felt there is an art to
attracting file calls, and some players just get better at
it than others, and we can you know, as you know,
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Gildas Alexander is a good example. Some people feel like
he pushes off subtly with that left arm on almost
every drive to the basket and gets way too many
calls that should have actually go the other way. I
look at it in part is why I think he
is good at drawing contact as well. Give me your
assessment of where Ant is in the area of drawing
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contact and what goes into a really gifted player adding
that to his arsenal.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Well, yeah, I think that's something that Ant is still
working on. He hasn't made that that much of a
he hasn't put that much of a priority on that
part of the game. For himself. He's he's a pure
scorer man. He can score in so many ways, and
he's you know, matches so many levels of scoring that
he's not looking ever to get a foul. He's looking
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to go score. And I think that's a difference. You
get Luca, you get Shay and these guys who are
playing games, they're playing the mind game. They're playing the
leverage game and checking where your hands are at, seeing
if your arms are out. What they can reach for
what they can you know, kind of run into and
and and get two free throws here and there to
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kind of rest of the free throw line, those things
that the you know, ant's gonna have to learn, you know,
to kind of throw that in there here and there
if he wants to start to get these same type
of calls. Because an it's just too strong to too,
you know, physically gifted that he gets hit on the
wrist or arm, he just goes right through it and
goes and lays it up or goes and try to
finish it, while other guys might you know, lose the
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ball or you know, it's it's more obvious foul. So
he's it's kind of like the gift and the curse
for him. He's so gifted that he's able to score
such a pure manner that he doesn't kind of get
into the the gimmicky side of things. But it's become
part of the art of basketball and getting to the freak.
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The line is a big, big part of scoring nowadays.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, I've always wondered too if if body type enters
into it. Obviously Gildas Alexander is slighter. I think Edwards
is built to me almost more like a football player,
you know, and that used to be always the dealon Shack.
There's a lot of people felt that Shack actually should
have gotten a lot more calls, but because he was
a big body, that that that the rest didn't give
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him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I just an't.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
To me, looks better built, almost like he can handle
the contact. That's not a reason to not call it.
But sometimes I wonder if that enters into the decision
making when it's but you know, between a player built
like him and let's say a bit of a you know, leaner,
uh more willowy player.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, for sure, I think that that's happened, you know,
in the past, with even guys like Lebron. You said
Shack like Lebron's probably the most recent example where you
get him going downhill and guys are pulling and grabbing, slapping,
and he's just running through you and land it up
or dunking it and there's no foul called. In most guys,
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that probably is a foul call, and it's kind of
scratching that territory where he gets downhill and he takes
off or he exposes his arms in the paint and
gets slapped a few times. They're not, you know, going
to call it unless he loses the ball. But unfortunately
he's not going to lose the ball. He's strong, he's
got great hands, and and he's still able to finish
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through a lot of those plays. So you know, like
I said, that's that kind of gift from the curse
of having that that body type. And as far as
the referee calls and stuff like that's concerned, but it's
something that he will hopefully continue to get better at
and study it and something that he can add to
his game.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
One last thing about the current state of the club
itself is one of the team leaders and the consciences
of this club.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Are you satisfied with the position that this team is
in at this point? Are you saying, no, we we
should have x a better record? How do you decide,
you know, when to come down hard laying out your
own views as one of the player leaders of where
this this thing is at and when do you sort of,
you know, bide your time and let the thing play out.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
A little bit?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
What what would you if somebody had not watched your
team all season thus far? See I I haven't seen
anything of the Wolves. What would you say the condition
to the club is at this point.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You know, I would say that the so far has
just been inconsistent. I would say because from our are
from what we you know, believe our standard to be
on a nightly basis, we haven't brought that on a
game to game basis. And we've done it for a
four game stretch here and there, and then you know,
take a game or two or we don't look like ourselves,
or you throw in like a Phoenix game or a
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Sack game, or games where we had in control and
and still lost, and and and it kind of puts
a sour taste and and and what we're you know
building at the moment, and and so it's it's easy
for that to overs at the things we're we're doing
good and the things that we're you know, changing and accomplishing.
So I said, it has been inconsistent, but I think
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it's the building blocks of doing the smaller things more
consistently and doing the things that helped affect winning. I'm
both into the floor from everybody has been picking up,
you know, and headed in the right direction, you know,
every week. And the record is the record, Yeah, we
feel like we should have a couple more wins obviously
(36:31):
with you know, blown leads, latent games and stuff like that.
But outside that, the direction that we're headed, I think
is the right one.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Last, but most importantly, we got to, I guess, try
to delve into your handshake history, because I'm learning that
you basically have a handshake, a different handshake for every player. Well,
tell me the history here, whether this has been true
every place you've played, if this is something new here?
Uh and and and so how did all this stuff
come about?
Speaker 5 (36:59):
And I've had a handshake with people. I got some
people for like twenty years. Man, I've got handshakes the
day back a long time. And it's always been just
a part of my deal. Like if I'm if we're
gonna be teammates, we're gonna be on the court together, Like,
you gotta have a handshake with me. So I even
got Yoan to get a handshake with me the other day.
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So he's he's probably my newest one. But I just
try to, you know, build a personal connection with everybody
is something that you know, regardless of our teammates or not,
the first thing we see each other, you know, it's
just like like muscle memory. So just a cool, cool
way to keep everybody kind of together.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, I see, my memory is so bad though, I'd
have trouble remembering them all. I mean, you were it's
it's easy for you to remember the distinctions between each
and every one of them. You never screw up and
mix up, you know, ants with randalls or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Never, it's a weird thing. It's like, I don't know,
it's like the cues, you know, you look at the person,
you automatically, no muscle memory pops in. It's like not
even a question. You don't get it right. So I
do have a handshake with uh, to my nephews who
are twins, and sometimes I get confused between them two.
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I'm like, I can't remember which one is with right now,
I'm in the middle of handshake, and I just kind
of follow their lead and I'm like, okay, there it is,
you know. So it's it's just, you know, it's fun.
Like I have handshakes with my kids everybody. So it's
it's just a cool thing to have.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Do you have a handshake with Tim Conley?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
We we go the professional route man, you know, to
the you know, it's just normal handshake or this is
a little fist bump.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Man, all right, how about a rod.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
To I don't see them, I don'm not around them
that much be able to to do it. But we
have to do that.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So executives, maybe it's a little bit different, you know,
than than teammates and relatives, that sort of thing. Maybe
that's the distinction for you, A little more formal.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
A little bit more, a little bit more corporate.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, enjoy enjoyed the conversation as always, Enjoy your time
in New Orleans, and we will.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
We'll talk in a couple of weeks. Thanks sir, all right.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So good, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Mike Conley, Timberwolves point guard, kind enough to join us
via the Connecticot Water Systems hotline. Kessler is scheduled for
the five o'clock hour of today's broadcast, and contractually we're obligated,
I guess between four and five today again to chat
with Glenn Mason.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's true. I'm looking forward to a Yeah. Well, it's
because you've missed the last forum.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's true. It's true. I've missed the last couple.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I haven't seen Mason a while haven't seen Kesler in
a while, it's been good catching up here as they wait,
do you know what the one constant has been through
all those shows you've missed, Indiana has still not lost
a football. Oh well, I've been here for a lot
of victory too, that's true. So if you're thinking of
using me as a good luck charm, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I was here for. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well no, I just meant that's the that's the cons'
knowing who's the hotline. We'll maybe do a little bit
of golfer stuff. I got to get back to the
Lane Kiffin's story with him. We discussed that some last week,
but now that it's seemingly resolved, did you see I'm
sure he saw the rather interesting schism or reaction in
this case from one of the ole Miss players allegedly
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in the room to something that Kiffin had sent out
as a statement. I did see that pretty juicy stuff
there as well. And if the player's telling the truth,
what's Lane Kiffin thinking. Well, I'm going to go out
on a limb and say, that's not the first time
a coach has fibb about reaction. I suppose that situation
and I'll give you my own example involving a guy
(40:45):
that Mace almost went to work for, Vince Dooley when
I was covering Georgia and Dooley was flirting with going
back to his alma mater in Georgia's national championship season.
So there's there's a lot of meat on the bone
this week, Mace, in your face is neck
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Tour today preempted a bit early for Golden Gopher men's basketball.
It's our big ten lidlifter correct for the two thousand
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and basketball.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The Hoosiers lost in basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
They haven't played like the a loaded schedule, but I
don't think they've lost a game yet. We know Indiana
football hasn't lost a game yet, they have not big
ten title games coming up this week.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean, who knew? Who knew that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Indiana University is now one of the blue bloods, as
we like to say in the business, one of the
blue bloods. So that is why we're out at six o'clock.
Eventually I'll get my verification code in and we will
get to the branch on Brian kfe In text line
as well. More on that later in the broadcast it does.
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This is sort of a follow up to how I
started the program yesterday, where I mused during our Toys
for Tots events event at Shields and Eden Prairie, thank
you for your participation and your generosity. So which cataclysmic
Vikings game do I have to think about today to
start to show it's got nothing to do with the
Vikings in this case, and it's really the other end
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of the spectrum. As I said, the question yesterday is
whether deep down Vikings fans, despite all the moaning and
whining and complaining, that you do actually prefer to keep
that as your identity, that you wouldn't know what to
do if you couldn't do what you just did already
whine and moan and complain and a poor, poor, pitiful me,
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because right now we are in a prosperous situation when
it comes to goaltending in the National Hockey League. You know,
we always complain about the trades that we screw up,
or we look at other teams who are able to
seemingly steal a player or steal a spot in the
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draft and then prosper for the next five to ten
to fifteen to twenty years as a result of it.
Right now, we're that team. Right now, we're the ones
who are reaping the benefits of a draft day maneuver
(03:19):
that allowed your Minnesota while to move up. I believe
it was two spots three drafts ago. Was it three
drafts to go?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Or four?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Twenty twenty one? So I guess that'd be well, they'd
be coming up on more than that and secure the
opportunity to draft mister Volstett, who pitched I believe his
fourth shutout in is it six games or is it
eight games?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I have to check out.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I had it in front of me, and I lost
the I forgot to bring my print out last night.
At the expense of Edmonton and the hockey inside and
hardcorees know this, but the hockey casuals might not. That's
the team we made the pick, the trade within.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I did not know that until last night.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Their pick at number twenty that we stole. And for
the record, if you if you want to further talk
about how we are prospering, my understanding is the player
they took a twenty two isn't even I think has
already been traded away from the team, and the extra
the third round pick we had to give up to
move up to spots.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
In addition, I don't think he's ever even played with
the club.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I don't think he's a factor at all. Now, big picture,
I'm not sure that that we can declare volst At
the best goaltender in the history of hockey, or at
the very least even yet the history.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Of the Minnesota Wild might be the way.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's a long way from here to there, but all
of the signs are quite positive so and promising certainly
so to that extent, we're that team right now.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
We are that franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
We'd identified a player and a goalie who and I
guess I'd forgotten this part.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He was not.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Universally loved at the time of the draft, there were
some people who thought he had a chance to be special.
There were other people as young as he was who
thought he was going to be a disaster, that he
wasn't mature enough, that there were In fact, he articulated
some of those raps against him. He felt they were false,
(05:39):
But he got into that last night after pitching the
shutout against Edmonton. Now it is fair to say, though
even the Wild admit he's made some changes since last
season that they feel a team officials feel have contributed
to his turnaround this season, including better conditioning, which was
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one of the charges against him back during that draft.
But we don't have to in this case wallow in
our misery like, oh god, look what that team did.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
They got they found.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Their goaltender maybe for the next ten years by just
moving up in the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Why can't we ever do that? Well we did in
this case.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
We have, and last night it crystallized nicely that the shutout,
in this case, his fourth, would come against the team
that apparently had no interest in him. Perfectly and by
the way, a franchise that is desperately continues to be
desperately in need of a goaltender as well.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So we like to think, well, that's us.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Usually we're the team that gave up or gave up
a draft choice, or allowed another team to move the
leap frog, us to take a player that we weren't
interested in.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Look what that players doing. We're on the other end
of that.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Now it's in Edmonton where they feel like they're the
victims there what now?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Of course it's all relative.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
They've had a lot of success as a team, but
they haven't been able to take the last step, have they?
And part of the reason, allegedly is because they can't
find a big time goaltender. Fourth shutout in his last
six games, and Edmonton, I mean they tested him last night.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You had to make thirty three.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I watched about the last period and a half of
that one after a scintillating overtime victory for your Minnesota
Timberwolves in New Orleans, the always plucky New Orleans Pelicans,
and even like listening to Lapanta. Lapanta is very excitable, right,
he's he can get the octaves going. I think he's
so used to these epic saves by the Great Wall
(07:45):
of Saint Paul that it's just second nature now to
go another saved by Valstad kicks it away, a lot
of activity up front, No problem saved Walstad.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
We're going the other way because that's all he's watched
basically for the last ten games of his plays.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Pretty fun. It's it's great.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because you can't say the Wild had the better of play.
You know, we've always talked about that. Yeah, especially in
the playoffs. Well we dominated their goalie just played better.
Now it's happening in the opposite too. That's the other
way that this has changed, which is fun. People say,
I can't say they played great the whole time. They
obviously got the goal that they needed brodein, which was funny.
But you have goaltenders that are you have a goaltender
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that's basically either stealing you games, but certainly keeping you
in games while you find your own game, which is
a fun place to live. He is the fourth rookie
goaltender in the history of the league, and the first
in eighty seven years to pitch four shutouts in six games.
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Can you name any of the others? I probably can't.
I probably shouldn't try. I couldn't. Although I liked the
nickname of the Boston Bruins goalie who did it most
recent in nineteen twenty eight on the nineteen twenty twenty
nine Boston Bruins.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh goodness, Tiny Thompson. Tiny Thompson.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Now does that mean Tiny was literally tiny or was
it the opposite? The tiny was actually an enormous goaltender
for the time. Yeah, and so the nickname was against
type Tiny Thompson. His pads were probably bigger than nah
yeah ja ja's. They were probably bigger the others. Frank
we Actually the most recent is Frank Brimseck. Bruins Tiny Thompson.
(09:25):
Uh did it in nineteen twenty eight twenty nine. Somebndy
named Dolly Dolson did it for the nineteen twenty eight
twenty nine Detroit Cougars.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh interesting, the Detroit Cougar's. I didn't know they were
a team.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Tiny wasn't very big. He was only five to ten,
so they were being literal. Well, but I bet you
five point ten then I think that was pretty been
pretty tall. Yeah, don't you think? I don't know how
was he how much did he weigh? Do we know?
I don't see this weighed in? There was it like,
you know, like one hundred and sixty pounds. Well that
is pretty tiny then, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Maybe they meant it literally in that game back in
the twenties. They told the truth. I like the John
Hines quote too. He's he's I think he's k telling
it a little bit. Here's this was his comment after
the game. You need to have consistency, and each month
presents different challenges. There's still a lot of hockey left
to be played. What's encouraging is that he had a
good offseason, made some real commitments to show he wants
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to be able to get the best out of himself.
We know he has NHL talent, but now he's learning
the other parts, whether it was the game or being
a starting goalie, or how important sometimes some things around
the game are, whether it's nutrition, your rest, recovery. Practice
is a big win. Let's keep taking it in short
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spurts with him, and as long as he continues to
do what he's doing, he'll get an opportunity to play.
That sounds like a coach who is well aware of
his goalie's history and he doesn't want him to get
the big head too fast, doesn't it. It sounds like
he's yeah for sure. Again, this is great, This is wonderful,
(11:03):
This is in some ways historic, and we'll ride it out.
He's already, I mean, the head coach has already acknowledged
how well he's doing because he's gone from having him
as a backup goalie to to gus boss to now
we're going every other game. Right, Basically we're alternating goaltenders
for the for the president and perhaps the immediate future
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as well. So Tiny Thompson, by the way, was the
tallest player on his team as a teenager. That's why
they gave him the nickname Tiny, so at the time
it was ironic. Yeah, he played at times for the
Duluth Hornets, even local. Right, this is the second time
something like this has happened for a Minnesota led goaltender.
I love this Discovery Radio. We had no I had
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no idea any Thompson. Yeah, he was kind of one
of us for a while. Millers, that's that's too good.
So again, we don't have a banner out of this yet.
I understand all of that, but it's the perfect kind
of angle and that we wallow in our misery that
why can't we ever steal somebody? Well, right now, it
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looks like they stole somebody from a franchise desperately in
need for a goaltender. And as it turns out, what
we gave up was not nearly enough. Basically, we had
to give up our own one. You know, we swept
swap spots, and we give up a number three. And
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that all looks very very good, very very promising right now,
And again, not so long ago, it didn't look like
anything because it didn't look like he was going anywhere.
But maybe it's the classic light bulb off in the head.
Let me ask you this question as we go to
break two. So if you if you believe the most
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I believe the most important position in hockey is goalie.
Sure it's not going out on a limb. Other people
might say center, you know, scoring, so whatever, But I
would say goal We can we say check that box
right now. Okay, in football we would assume it's quarterback.
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We can't check that box right now. What player in baseball? Like,
what position in baseball? For me, it's pitcher. It used
to be starting. I would say, still starting pitcher. We
have a chance to semi check that box. But we're
apparently wanting to erase one of the checks at least one,
at least one, maybe both of them correct and maybe
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with bux it on the way as well for an
everyday player. And then what support am I leaving out basketball?
What what's considered the box you need to check in basketball?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
What position? Is it a position? It's probably just get
you a bucket, it's is it?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, one would assume it's what Anthony Edwards represents.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I think so it is very better.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was about a time it might have been point guard,
but the league has changed a little bit on that.
Give me your thoughts on that via the branch on
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up the rest of the program as well when we.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Come back.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And Ronnie Lang Guy Wrights, I think basketball's most important
player is a two way guy, regardless of position.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Slightly expand out.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Baseball is up the middle, catcher, shortstop, center field, football,
center or line, quarterback, hockey, goalie, and center. Basketball needs
two or three.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Star wings.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think he's trying to say, or center, power forward.
That's from four of the five positions. Yeah, Hugo guy, Well,
maybe he's just those.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I don't know. I'm a little confused by by that one.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
NBA's most important position is an ownership is ownership, and
GM goes out and gets the best players, pays the
most star players, run the show, Sga, Joker and ant.
I think Oklahoma City has still only lost one game.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They're twenty in one. Yeah, I think there are twenty
two in one, all right? Is that what it is now?
And the game they.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Lost shouldn't count because this is I think it was
the second night of a back to back in Portland,
so I'm surprised that the league is even counting that,
to be honest with you, twenty one and one, it's
twenty one in one, okaykind of split the difference. What's
our show lineup today? We got Mike Conley at the
bottom of the hour, correct, coming up about seven minutes
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from now, and a Mason your face and studio between
four and five?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Is that correct? Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And then so we do think we're gonna get Kessler
on the way back. We're okay, yeah, I think we're
getting him. We're out at six tonight, as you mentioned
over hoops, so he would join at five pot fifteen.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There's a lot to get to with him. That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Uh, so we'll try to get caught up if we
have a chance to with uh with special k Dan
opening with wild Hockey Talk Toys for Tots must have
put him in a holiday mood. We're just trying to
follow the story. I mean, it's not that difficult. What
I'm learning from the hockey community is that you're damned
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if you do.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You're damned if you don't.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know, if we don't start the show talking about
the red hot Minnesota Wild and the kid goaltender, it's
what you're going to talk about it today? When were
you going to talk about it? Then you talk about
what looks like you're jumping on the bandwagon. You know,
m's must be in a holiday spirit. Seriously, and you wonder,
hockey guys, why people accuse you of that much defensiveness.
(16:44):
It's just just just take the victory. Uh speaking of
victory six one two, guy, are you going to give
Billy Garrean any credit?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
What was implied Garran made the pick? Didn't he?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I would imagine the trade and he was very specific
about the development. Yes of yesper correct. He talks about
it a lot like we can't he can't. He did
the old KOC organization's failed goalies more than goalies fail organizations. Yes,
that's why they kept him in Iowa and kind of
bounced him back and forth and didn't want to give
him too much too soon. You though, his debut last year,
if you remember, was a meat grinder. I think it
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was Dallas, Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It was.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, it's because we've screwed up. We screwed him up
going to the three, their three goalie system.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Maybe I do remember vaguely he tried to get garon
going on that, but he was very particular about how
he should be brought along. That's true. Which that's true.
You're obviously he's not done yet. He just started. But
it's a good, good sign of how he's playing. And
that was all part of this. Uh, this is an
interesting this is Hugh, This is a Hue guy a
second time or actually first self awareness. Loved to hear
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it from him last night postgame about his maturity level
or lack there of last year.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
How quickly would.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The will the Minnesota hockey community get in his head
and mess him all up?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Wow? Is you guy?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Is that really a Johnny Athletic burner account? Do you
think I think they could be. I mean cause joh
who was complaining yet again about the inconsistency regarding commitment
to the defensive side of the floor of your Minnesota Timberwolves.
It was Johnny Athletic, Yeah, among others. Ain't no inconsistency
about the way the Wild is committing itself to defense
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right now, sir, between the goaltenders and what's happening in
front of them as well. I don't believe I'll keep
the I'll keep some of the other texts in mind.
On mind I should say on key positions. I yeah,
basketball is a little funkier, but I'll tell you, man,
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if everything feels better in hockey if you have big
time goaltending and in baseball if you have big time
starting pitching.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I know about the up the middle stuff and that
it all fits together, But why do they matter? Because
they set the tone right almost regardless of what your
offense is doing. They can keep you in the game,
whether the game is hockey, goaltender or baseball starting pitcher. Right,
starting pitcher throws well. I was about to say eight
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shutout innings. That's a different era, but it sets a
tone in a way that makes everything seem cleaner and
more possible, regardless of what you are doing offensively. Mike Conley,
point guard Minnesota Timberwolves, will get his reaction to a
couple of interesting things said by his head coach in
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the wake of the Wolves really way too messy, but
nevertheless crucial victory against the terrible Pelicans and more.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
When we return, Randall sees two in the corner.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Steven Jenzo out to read extra pass.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Conley yes, corner pocket for Mike Conley from down ten,
top ten Wolves, one ten Spurs, one hundred, beautiful fall
movement and resultans in a Mike Conley wide open look.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
As I mentioned, Glenn Mason will join in studio about
four o'clock or so, and then we expect to visit
with Pat Kesler. But Mike Conley just heard there. Our
favorite play by play guy hit a very key three
pointer against the Spurs to help save them in that game.
Joined us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. I'm assuming,
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what do you get three days in New Orleans? Is
that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Three days?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Are you a New war.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Would you classify yourself as a New Orleans guy?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I mean it's cool. I like the South, you speing
down this way. But you know, I have a good
time when I'm here. But yeah, I've been here so
many times now I probably stay in my room more
often than that.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, that's you know what, that's probably There's probably a
few players over the years Mike Conley have said that's
what I should have done, right, that's for sure. There
could be the occasional temptation in that regard. I want
to get to a quote. Get your reaction to a
quote from your head coach. I think he said this
before last night's game. Kind of started the season a
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little bored. That's not something that you want to admit to.
But a team that's had two deep runs, I think
we just maybe started the season a little bit flat
and board and just realizing you got to put the
work in now. That might be just great honesty from
the head coach. You know, that's not something fans ever
want to hear. But is there some truth to that
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or what do you make of those comments?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You know, I think it. You know, I'll say coach
has a good pulse of our team and understands, you know,
the ins and out of what we need to be
who we want to be for a season. But as players,
I think you come into every season and you come
in with the right mindset. You come in with you know,
you want to come out here and be the best
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team you can be and individually and and as a whole.
And you know, I think making two big runs like
we did the last two seasons, you get shorter off seasons.
You you get you know, fixated on the idea of
getting back to that point so much that you can
bypass some of the smaller steps they get in the
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way of that route of getting back to that situation.
And and we still have a lot of young guys,
We still have a lot of guys who you know,
are navigating that and it's in front of them, and
and and it takes time. You know, It's not something
that we take for granted at all that we think
that we just going to make it back. But you
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can see how a lot of guys' minds are, you know,
wanting to get back to where we're at. But we
still have to do the work and stuff, have to
do the small things to get us there.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Does that all that make the Oklahoma City Thunder defending
champions twenty one and one an outlier.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
It makes I mean, them being who they are is amazing.
It just goes down to, you know, the culture they have,
the players that they have acquired, the you know, the
way that team is put together, and Shay and all
those guys just buying into a way of playing. And
they do it every single night, regardless if it's the
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fourteenth worst team or the you know, the second best
team in the league. Whoever they're playing that night. They
don't play the they don't play the opponent. They go
out there and implement their game no matter who they're
out there playing against. And and that's the impressive part
of what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It is pretty astonishing for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So last night it felt to me like it followed
a pattern. We've seen a few games where defense looked
very casual to me early and then you're on the
risk of encouraging a team with a terrible record that hey,
maybe it's our night. I mean, we can we can
win a game, maybe we can steal a victory, and
then you guys got too got a lot more serious defensively.
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Turn things as it was, it still felt very very
nerve wracking the way the thing played out.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
What did you see last night?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh yeah, I think it was that was evident.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I thought we.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
You know, we had stretches where we were trying to
do the right thing, but there was part of the
game we just were not able to get a hold
of early. And you know that was there, playing with
a lot of pace, and they were getting up and
down in transition and kind of beating us down the
floor before our defensive gets set and and that's how
they were kind of getting into a good rhythm. And
once we kind of you know, lost the lead and
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had to dare our way back into the game, I thought,
guys to start taking away those things, taking away the
easy opportunities and and trying to create more physicality defensively
and impose our will offensively. And when both those things
are going our way, we start playing better basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, you know, Edwards obviously had another hit a huge
second half. I think he was ten for sixteen from
the floor. What I liked the best was the tying
basket to the hoop, driving all the way in, didn't
take didn't take a fade away, which he can hit.
We all know he can hit a lot of shots.
He's he can hit for all over the place. But
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I liked, I encourage that. I like to see more
of that, and I know sometimes the defenses take that away,
but I loved that he just went downhill and went
to the basket.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, we told him at the time out man, you
got to get in the paint, you got to go
make a play. And he did just that, and and
that's exactly where we went from him. And there's so
many good things that happens. When he's able to get
downhill and get to the rim, they're going to have
to foul him to stop them most times, and if not,
he's going to finish. So he gave ourselves, gave our
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give our team second life with that bucket, and gave
us a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Mike Conley joining us. The Wolves have a day off.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
They're gonna play the Pelicans again, I believe, tomorrow night.
So you know, it's interesting you've been around. We've talked
a lot over the years with you about how long
you've been in this league, and you're at a point
in your career now where if I feel like every
other week there's a there is speculation nationally speaking about Okay,
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is this a point guard? The Wolves might consider it's
already coming up since Chris Paul was released, whether that
might be something that would would interest the Wolves. Are
you adult enough on this like you are about everything
else to say it's just it comes with the territory
or do you.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Take it more personally?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
How do you process what seems to be this sort
of ongoing feeling of okay to the Wolves?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Are they gonna stand.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Pat or might they make a big move and supplement
themselves at the point guard position? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:05):
No, I've always handled this this stuff like I handle everything.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Man.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I'm no stranger to being traded. I'm not a stranger
from being in the trade talks. For the majority of
my young career Memphis, I was there were drafting guards
every other year, and you know, I was on the
trade block early in my first two years, and so
it just became part of what I thought the NBA was.
So just handling that has always been a big thing
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for me, and knowing that that'side of my control. I
go out there and play the minutes I play. I play,
you know, as hard as I can. If a team
wants me here, I'm here. If I'm not, I'll help
whoever I have to help. So it is part of
the it's a part of our society, our our game today,
and there's a lot of speculation every day on it
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if you win or lose, or how your team looks
on a weekly basis. So just handling it, handle it,
handle it, and you know, just trying to, you know,
take control of what I can.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Would you still in your herder hearts rather be starting.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
You know, as a competitor. Yeah, I think everybody wants
to be a starter in the league. But for our team, honestly,
I think I'm I'm in the right spot. I think
I am. I think I'm I'm you know, Dante and
that group is playing really well together. They play off
each other very well, and I think it's best for
our team, so you know. But yeah, so I'm happy,
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excited for all the guys, and I'm still excited for
the opportunity I have right now and as soon keep
trying to go forward with it and and get better
with it each week.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
One of the tough things I think for I think
one of the places where it's challenging for Finchy to
thread the needle though, is who to play at the
end of the game. We've had some as you know,
with two three minutes to go, some meltdowns where there
have been there a series of bad turnovers or maybe
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a couple of dumb fouls, maybe a couple of miss
free throws that all contribute to big leads evaporating, and
in Fincy's world, he may say, Okay, well, this is
the lineup that largely got us the lead, so therefore
I want to kind of stick with it. And sometimes
that means you're not on the floor, and I still
feel like they miss what I think at your best
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you represent in those situations where you're the guy who's
going to likely you know, get the inbounds pass, get
the ball from out of bounds. I still think that's
that's that's part of the challenge for for for Fincy,
even if, as you say, in terms of balancing the lineups,
that might make more sense at this point for you
to come off the bench.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
What do you think, Well, yeah, I think you know,
coach Coach is going to make the right decisions at
the end of the game. And some games I'm in there.
Some some games I'm not as obvious. Obviously, when when
I am in there, I'm trying to you know, manage
the game in a lot of different ways, and in
be in that voice, understanding time and score, not letting
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us lose our minds over stuff, and kind of resettling
things down. Is what I can really really provide for
the unit we have is, you know, a lot of
the guys out there maybe not be in their true
position and not having to bring the ball up in
uncomfortable positions or in an uncomfortable situation. So just trying to,
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you know, when I do get the opportunity to be
out there, is to be as much help as I can.
And when I'm not out there, just you know, on
the bench, just guiding those guys and trying to prepare
them and trying to make sure that they have everything
in front of them to help hopefully minimize, you know,
any more mistakes that we have going forward, especially this season.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
A texture named Linwood Township Guy wants to know from you, well,
why doesn't ant get the calls of the superstars good?
Or is the contact minimal? And he just wants every
touch to be a file. I'll broaden the question out
this way. I've always felt there is an art to
attracting file calls, and some players just get better at
it than others, and we can you know, as you know,
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Gildas Alexander is a good example. Some people feel like
he pushes off subtly with that left arm on almost
every drive to the basket and gets way too many
calls that should have actually go the other way. I
look at it in part is why I think he
is good at drawing contact as well. Give me your
assessment of where Ant is in the area of drawing
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contact and what goes into a really gifted player adding
that to his arsenal.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Well, yeah, I think that's something that Ant is still
working on. He hasn't made that that much of a
he hasn't put that much of a priority on that
part of the game. For himself. He's he's a pure
scorer man. He can score in so many ways, and
he's you know, matches so many levels of scoring that
he's not looking ever to get a foul. He's looking
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to go score. And I think that's a difference. You
get Luca, you get Shay and these guys who are
playing games, they're playing the mind game. They're playing the
leverage game and checking where your hands are at, seeing
if your arms are out. What they can reach for
what they can you know, kind of run into and
and and get two free throws here and there to
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kind of rest of the free throw line, those things
that the you know, ant's gonna have to learn, you know,
to kind of throw that in there here and there
if he wants to start to get these same type
of calls. Because an it's just too strong to too,
you know, physically gifted that he gets hit on the
wrist or arm, he just goes right through it and
goes and lays it up or goes and try to
finish it, while other guys might you know, lose the
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ball or you know, it's it's more obvious foul. So
he's it's kind of like the gift and the curse
for him. He's so gifted that he's able to score
such a pure manner that he doesn't kind of get
into the the gimmicky side of things. But it's become
part of the art of basketball and getting to the freak.
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The line is a big, big part of scoring nowadays.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, I've always wondered too if if body type enters
into it. Obviously Gildas Alexander is slighter. I think Edwards
is built to me almost more like a football player,
you know, and that used to be always the dealon Shack.
There's a lot of people felt that Shack actually should
have gotten a lot more calls, but because he was
a big body, that that that the rest didn't give
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him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I just an't.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
To me, looks better built, almost like he can handle
the contact. That's not a reason to not call it.
But sometimes I wonder if that enters into the decision
making when it's but you know, between a player built
like him and let's say a bit of a you know, leaner,
uh more willowy player.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, for sure, I think that that's happened, you know,
in the past, with even guys like Lebron. You said
Shack like Lebron's probably the most recent example where you
get him going downhill and guys are pulling and grabbing, slapping,
and he's just running through you and land it up
or dunking it and there's no foul called. In most guys,
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that probably is a foul call, and it's kind of
scratching that territory where he gets downhill and he takes
off or he exposes his arms in the paint and
gets slapped a few times. They're not, you know, going
to call it unless he loses the ball. But unfortunately
he's not going to lose the ball. He's strong, he's
got great hands, and and he's still able to finish
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through a lot of those plays. So you know, like
I said, that's that kind of gift from the curse
of having that that body type. And as far as
the referee calls and stuff like that's concerned, but it's
something that he will hopefully continue to get better at
and study it and something that he can add to
his game.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
One last thing about the current state of the club
itself is one of the team leaders and the consciences
of this club.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Are you satisfied with the position that this team is
in at this point? Are you saying, no, we we
should have x a better record? How do you decide,
you know, when to come down hard laying out your
own views as one of the player leaders of where
this this thing is at and when do you sort of,
you know, bide your time and let the thing play out.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
A little bit?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
What what would you if somebody had not watched your
team all season thus far? See I I haven't seen
anything of the Wolves. What would you say the condition
to the club is at this point.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You know, I would say that the so far has
just been inconsistent. I would say because from our are
from what we you know, believe our standard to be
on a nightly basis, we haven't brought that on a
game to game basis. And we've done it for a
four game stretch here and there, and then you know,
take a game or two or we don't look like ourselves,
or you throw in like a Phoenix game or a
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Sack game, or games where we had in control and
and still lost, and and and it kind of puts
a sour taste and and and what we're you know
building at the moment, and and so it's it's easy
for that to overs at the things we're we're doing
good and the things that we're you know, changing and accomplishing.
So I said, it has been inconsistent, but I think
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it's the building blocks of doing the smaller things more
consistently and doing the things that helped affect winning. I'm
both into the floor from everybody has been picking up,
you know, and headed in the right direction, you know,
every week. And the record is the record, Yeah, we
feel like we should have a couple more wins obviously
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with you know, blown leads, latent games and stuff like that.
But outside that, the direction that we're headed, I think
is the right one.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Last, but most importantly, we got to, I guess, try
to delve into your handshake history, because I'm learning that
you basically have a handshake, a different handshake for every player. Well,
tell me the history here, whether this has been true
every place you've played, if this is something new here?
Uh and and and so how did all this stuff
come about?
Speaker 5 (36:59):
And I've had a handshake with people. I got some
people for like twenty years. Man, I've got handshakes the
day back a long time. And it's always been just
a part of my deal. Like if I'm if we're
gonna be teammates, we're gonna be on the court together, Like,
you gotta have a handshake with me. So I even
got Yoan to get a handshake with me the other day.
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So he's he's probably my newest one. But I just
try to, you know, build a personal connection with everybody
is something that you know, regardless of our teammates or not,
the first thing we see each other, you know, it's
just like like muscle memory. So just a cool, cool
way to keep everybody kind of together.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, I see, my memory is so bad though, I'd
have trouble remembering them all. I mean, you were it's
it's easy for you to remember the distinctions between each
and every one of them. You never screw up and
mix up, you know, ants with randalls or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Never, it's a weird thing. It's like, I don't know,
it's like the cues, you know, you look at the person,
you automatically, no muscle memory pops in. It's like not
even a question. You don't get it right. So I
do have a handshake with uh, to my nephews who
are twins, and sometimes I get confused between them two.
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I'm like, I can't remember which one is with right now,
I'm in the middle of handshake, and I just kind
of follow their lead and I'm like, okay, there it is,
you know. So it's it's just, you know, it's fun.
Like I have handshakes with my kids everybody. So it's
it's just a cool thing to have.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Do you have a handshake with Tim Conley?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
We we go the professional route man, you know, to
the you know, it's just normal handshake or this is
a little fist bump.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Man, all right, how about a rod.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
To I don't see them, I don'm not around them
that much be able to to do it. But we
have to do that.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So executives, maybe it's a little bit different, you know,
than than teammates and relatives, that sort of thing. Maybe
that's the distinction for you, A little more formal.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
A little bit more, a little bit more corporate.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, enjoy enjoyed the conversation as always, Enjoy your time
in New Orleans, and we will.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
We'll talk in a couple of weeks. Thanks sir, all right.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So good, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Mike Conley, Timberwolves point guard, kind enough to join us
via the Connecticot Water Systems hotline. Kessler is scheduled for
the five o'clock hour of today's broadcast, and contractually we're obligated,
I guess between four and five today again to chat
with Glenn Mason.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's true. I'm looking forward to a Yeah. Well, it's
because you've missed the last forum.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's true. It's true. I've missed the last couple.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I haven't seen Mason a while haven't seen Kesler in
a while, it's been good catching up here as they wait,
do you know what the one constant has been through
all those shows you've missed, Indiana has still not lost
a football. Oh well, I've been here for a lot
of victory too, that's true. So if you're thinking of
using me as a good luck charm, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I was here for. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well no, I just meant that's the that's the cons'
knowing who's the hotline. We'll maybe do a little bit
of golfer stuff. I got to get back to the
Lane Kiffin's story with him. We discussed that some last week,
but now that it's seemingly resolved, did you see I'm
sure he saw the rather interesting schism or reaction in
this case from one of the ole Miss players allegedly
(40:25):
in the room to something that Kiffin had sent out
as a statement. I did see that pretty juicy stuff
there as well. And if the player's telling the truth,
what's Lane Kiffin thinking. Well, I'm going to go out
on a limb and say, that's not the first time
a coach has fibb about reaction. I suppose that situation
and I'll give you my own example involving a guy
(40:45):
that Mace almost went to work for, Vince Dooley when
I was covering Georgia and Dooley was flirting with going
back to his alma mater in Georgia's national championship season.
So there's there's a lot of meat on the bone
this week, Mace, in your face is neck
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