October 27, 2025 • 24 mins
Dan and Gaardsy react to the news that Carson Wentz is done for the season and will have shoulder surgery; Dan discusses the craziness of keeping him in the game on Thursday knowing what we know now. They also discuss the terrible Gopher performance in Iowa City and what that does to how people view the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Carson Wentz will undergo season ending surgery on his left
shoulder that is apparently now official. He'll go on ir
and so his season, maybe his career as a Minnesota Viking.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Is over.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Kyle Fromisanti writes after the game presser, Koc thanked Wentz
for weathering the storm that wasn't a storm, that was
a five, that was a Category five hurricane he was
asked to weather, one could say, right, and he ain't blameless.
I get that he was not perfect any stretch of
(01:00):
the imagination, but it will be I think it's going
to stand up as one of the great mysteries of
Koc's run, no matter how long that run is in Minnesota,
that he did not pull him from that game. Again,
that's the sort of thing where if Mike Zimmer doesn't
(01:22):
be like God, that's cruel.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What's that I mean? Does he does he have a
heart that So there's a piece of this that's got
to be explained. To me.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Maybe Seaffert will be able to tell me. I'm not sure.
Maybe liber It still doesn't make hell of a lot
of sense. Here's my question. You can't go with two quarterbacks.
I know you want your guy to start, right, so
do we Is there a quarterback? I'm forgetting that we
still had on on our taxi squad that we can
(01:50):
move up or are we going to be in the
We got to add another body, don't we don't you
have to have three in the building.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
They must already have that, because they bo my forgetting. Well,
what wasn't there? Wasn't there a Desmond Ridder? Do we
still have him? I don't know him. I've lost touch.
I'm gonna look, I'm gonna look it up here quickly.
But they brought in they're signing a tight end. I
saw that. Yeah, that roster spot is going to to
a tight end. You're right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So, by the way, it was tight end day on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And how about the Packers tight end? Did he celebrate
or what he was a beast last night? It is unbelievable.
We're already three games behind the Packers and the lost column.
By the way, Yeah, the Packers, we're three and four,
and we got to go to avoid being three and five.
We got to go to Detroit and win.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And by the way, by the time we played Baltimore,
is that the next week Lamar is going to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
In fact, the rumor is Lamar will probably I think
they play Thursday this week, that he may be back then.
And you know the other rumor, despite the.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Fact they went into that game, I think one in
five they were convinced that they could win the game
against the Bears without Lamar Jacks And you know what,
they're right, thirty to sixteen Hutley, I mean, and you
know for all the people, oh he could, It's hard
to win with a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Huntley was the third string quarterback. They didn't even go
to him originally as the backup. They went to the
guy who beat us. The guy used to be in
Dallas was their backup. Wasn't until this week that they
went with Hutley, and he was. He looked brilliant against
the Bears. So don't tell me you can never win
a game with a backup quarterback. They won with a
third stringer.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So keep that in mind for the future. But now
it doesn't matter. And now it's JJ McCarthy's on the clock.
Now it's his baby, and there's gonna be a lot
of pressure on him from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
By the way, his ankle looked pretty good when he
had to hop one of them teammates. Yeah, sure, everybody said,
everybody was he that was like a fifteen inch vertic
gold just out of nowhere. He just hopped over. You
think he's been playing possible. Well, he looks. I'm saying,
he looks pretty good. He didn't look like he landed
funny or he had any residuals from that jump. It
looks quick, nice explosiveness. And then he just stood there,
(04:15):
looks pretty looks ready to go. Heard a lot about
his lower body base, you know, the last few weeks
his lower body base seemed fine. Base balance and bros.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That's what happens when you got to fill in the
you know, and you can't talk about him playing. You
got to make stuff up and and fill in and
all these other other areas.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Who starts tonight do we know is in place of
Anthony Edwards? It's a good question. It's Denver, right, Denver
is a problem. I really believe. I like their.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Offseason Actually, I think I think they're a better team
than they were here. I think they have better support
help for him than they did a year ago.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I really do. They had a hillacious game with Golden
State that was a fun game. Stephan went nuts, scored
like the last thirty. I'm trying to think, do they
go Do they go with Clark? Do they go with Shannon? Yeah?
One of those two, don't you think? Yeah, Well, you
know I ain't gonna be doing him. No, it's not
gonna be dilling Ham for sure. Am I forgetting somebody?
(05:17):
It's got to be one of the young kids, Tyland. Yeah,
but he's the point guard. Yeah, So if you're starting
Dante at the point, I think it's got to be
Clark or Shannon. Could be Shannon, that would be my
guess who are we forgetting? I mean, it's obviously they're
gonna sender the offense more around Randall than they have.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And he had what he was over thirty last night?
Was he was good? Yeah? He had had a nice
ball game. All Right.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I got to go for a question for you because
I think this is the biggest disappointment for me regarding
the Iowa game. And then we'll mix and match, and
as I mentioned, Ben Leeber is going to join. Later
we get his reaction to the Wentz news out now
for the season, preparing for shoulder surgery, and then Johnny
Athletic will file a live report.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
He'll be at Target Center by then onenty five to thirty.
Probably it's a home game, isn't he? Yes, eight thirty tips.
We got the Lakers? Is it Wednesday? Wednesday? Another eight
thirty tip? No Lebron, no Luca, no skinny Luca. But
the best third option in the NBA. Austin Reeve won
fifty one last night, fifty one undrafted. Yeah, he's been good.
He was good the other night against us. He killed
(06:23):
us too. Yeah, not for I mean, Luca was the
story that night. But helps. They call him the Hillbilly Koby,
which sounds a little bit, you know, suspicious to me,
but you know he can do the stereotyping if that's
his nicknames, yea, okay, the Hillbilly Kobe. Okay. I mean
I think.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
There's like, well, that's another one, but that's kind of
falling out of face.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Can't do that one either.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think in the history of the league there have
been is it three or four player undrafted players to
ever score fifty or more.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's not one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think he was like twenty one for twenty two. Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (07:10):
Play.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Ryan wants to know whether the Wolves game will be
exclusively on Peacock tonight or also on FanDuel Sports Network.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Do you know the answer to that question? I don't
think I do. I don't, but I'll double check it.
We'll find out check.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But I'm pretty sure it's just on Peacock, but you
might be right as well. Was Fridays just on Amazon
or was that on FanDuel as well? Because I watched
the question. I watched it on Amazon, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I did, And it's it's so much harder to go
back and forth between you know, dish stuff and that.
So I don't have the answer to that question either,
But we'll try to get to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Of exactly that. Yeah, it's hard to keep up, right,
you got it. You do have to pay attention these days.
You have a lot of options, There's no question about that.
Here's my but this is Jack ad Jason from Egan.
Caleb got ripped for the same behavior last Year's what
(08:20):
Herb Street. I don't share Gg's affection for that guy
ripped Wentz for. Well in this case, you were not
agreeing with herb Street. That was your point. R right, Yeah,
you were saying I thought ridiculous, Yeah, yeah, yeah Caleb, Well, yeah,
Caleb did get ripped for some of that. With Caleb,
it it seemed like it happened whether he was injured
(08:43):
or not, or whether he was just frustrated and then
was on the bench, you know, like laying down things
like that, which is never a helpful. Look.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't know that's the difference between being good and bad,
but I don't know that it's necessarily helpful. But again
to your point, I don't want to be labored. But
it almost feels to me like the Vikings agreed with
Herbstreet because I otherwise it doesn't make any sense that
you don't pull a guy who's in that much agony
(09:12):
unless you're convinced that it's not that he's just he's
kind of milking a little bit. But it's hard to
accuse a man of milking it when this he's now
going to undergo surgery on said shoulder. That would indicate
some structural issues, would it not?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It would? I know people want to hammer him, and
I'm not here to.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Tell you he's looked like an MVP candidate, but I
I lawed his ability to hang in man, I do,
and I still think he's not. He wasn't as bad
as the mc bobos want to believe, given the position
he walked into.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He came in was it three days before the season? Yeah,
I have nothing but respect. So Carson, he is who
he is, and he is who he is. Yeah, it's
exactly you shouldn't be expecting for good that's been on.
He's he's got a record for starting six games for
six different teams in six straight seasons, right, or a
game for six different teams in six seasons. Yes, like
there's a reason because he's not great. No, he's not,
(10:11):
but he's functional and he's he answered the call and
he played and well, he was obviously very tough I've
got There's no Wentz slander for me.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
There is so much else going on with this team
beyond the quarterback position, and if you can't figure that
out after that last.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Game, then you're delusional. I mean we laid out some
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I mean we we've given up over twenty of yards
rushing twice. We give up major rushing to good runners,
great runners and third and fourth string runners.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Doesn't seem to matter.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
We're getting gashed on pass defense whenever the quarterback is
pretty good or very good. We've still got these bizar
well I say bizarre are just untimely penalties in the
special teams game and a couple other places that hurt.
We do not have solid defensive line play. We do
(11:09):
not have solid offensive line play. Not all of that
can be about injury because the defensive line isn't that
hurt offensive line. Yeah, that's certainly part of it. And
I also think that the head coach is not stuck
to what who had the stat today? Was it your
guy alec Lewis? See if I can find it here
(11:30):
on the fly? I think I saved it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Because I thought it was It's not at the top
of the list of problems, But it does I think
reflect one vikings in second and two or fewer, or
third and two or fewer since twenty twenty two. You
want to guess our pass rate since twenty twenty two,
(11:55):
pass rate on second and two or fewer, third and
two or few I'm gonna say seventy. No, No, it's
not quite that bad. It's fifty one point two, but
that is the highest in the league in that period.
Run rate forty eight point eight lowest in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Did you see the game success rate fifty five point
seven percent, also lowest in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So we're not making this stuff up. And I added
to the list.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's I think what I said Friday, and I think
I heard you use the same term with the Gophers
because they both apply. Both those games were total It's
the poll ad quote. Both those games were total system
failures completely. I mean, it wasn't about any one thing.
That's what made it so disturbing. You can't micro manage
that one.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, everything just peacock tonight, by the way, it is
the peack Okay, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Here's what disappointed me about the Iowa game. We've talked
about this before. The Gophers are never going to be
the Vikings in this town, right, It's just not going
to work that way. That's not there. That's not about results.
That's just about the pecking order. But there have been
(13:06):
in several seasons opportunities to say, for maybe the casual
football fan of.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Going, huh, wait a minute, this feels a little different.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It feels like something difference going on right now. You
could say, to a certain extent, the Govers already blew
that by losing to cal and even the way they
played against Purdue, even though they came back and won.
But then you have such a total system success against Nebraska.
I think it opened the door to huh, this season
(13:37):
has you gotta You've opened the door a little bit
to what might be something really worth paying attention to.
And by the way, at the same time, the Vikings
seem to be going in the wrong direction, so you
even have a chance to maybe gain a little leverage
there too. And then you play as poorly as they
did in that game, as non competitively as they did
(14:00):
in that game, You played it. Every stereotype about the
Iowa Gopher rivalry going back forever, right, thirty years, forty years,
fifty years, whatever the case may be. And to me,
it's at that point you go, again, this is gonna
be another cute season. They're gonna win more games than
they lose. They could still win eight, right, they still
have a chance to win eight games. But the window,
(14:20):
the opportunity that you created by a really good performance
against Nebraska, I don't even think it called for the
that you had to win the Iowa game, but obviously
that would have been the home run. But you had
to at least make it a ball game, right, you
had to make it.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
A ball game.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And now that you haven't, now, I just I think
people are done. They're gonna tune out. The casual fan
is out again. A yeah, I'll see what. I'll give
it this Saturday.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
What they do.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
They got Michigan State this week. Michigan State, I think
is winless in the Big Ten. So that's obviously a
game they can win, they probably should win. But what
do we got left? We got to go to Oregon? Right,
we got Wisconsin, which obviously is very winnable. Whom I forgetting Northwestern?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So I just think that's and in several years there
have been that those games where it looks encouraging, but
it doesn't get sustained to a place where you go, oh,
they're moving up one level. The one level is gone
again this year as far as screensory, that to me
was that it had to be. The disappointing part for
them is we didn't They didn't show. They did not show.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
They showed less even than the Viking showed up against
the Chargers in LA.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Two days before. About sixty percent of what you just
said is essentially what I said in the car ride
home from Iowa with my family, because I thought the
same thing after Thursday night. If the Gophers go and
beat Iowa, people are going to pay attention because you know,
they always have their fans, right, Yeah, they always have
(15:53):
their students, and they always have the people that go correct.
But there is We've talked about it with all the
sports in this town. If the Vikan give you an opportunity,
people will flock and go and go check some things out.
And I think the Nebraska game got some people's attentions
more than more than they had been paying attention to
so far this season, and so it was completely deflating
(16:15):
when within so I was excited about the game, so
excited to see how they were going to play against
Iowa Iowa. As good as they played the other day
and as well as they played last week against Penn State,
there were still I think some questions about them. Now
people are talking about them being in the playoffs potentially
if they beat Oregon in two weeks and that games
in Iowa City. It is correct, they have a bye
and then Oregon comes to town, so that that's going
(16:36):
to be probably the game of the week that week
in the Big Ten. I'll watch that game. That game
will interest me, it'll interest most of the country. It should.
We kind of curious to see can they can they
carry it through? And so that's where I was fired
up about what that game was going to look like
and what it could potentially mean. Again, not that you
have to win that is the home run, but let's
see it. Let's go down there and see what happens.
(16:57):
I was excited to see how Drake Lindsay was going
to play it, because he's good now. It was his
worst game obviously by far, and that's the that's the
disappointing part is because there is the reality that you
have these little moments as the years go on to
really kind of get other people's attention and show that
it's going to be something different. And they within fifteen
(17:17):
minutes of the game, it was over in every every
way possible. And now it's we've talked about this before,
you got to go beat Oregon, which is obviously, you know, unlikely, difficult.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and so that's the tough part. So I don't
think I hallucinated this. Did I not see in the
goer Iowa game? Iowa throw the ball downfield on a
second and two. Speaking of second and two's you know
we're talking about Ben, we're talking about with the with
the Vikings, it's we we we we refuse to run
on second and two. Iowa, you look as the exact
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opposite extreme. They refuse to pass the ball on second
and two. And to me, that's the other thing. Where
as much as I thought PG and Company looked like
they'd out coached Rule and company, they looked out coached
against Iowa. They looked like they had a better plan.
Their plan wasn't just at the quarterback run all of
the time. He obviously ran some, but it was also
(18:15):
we're gonna, we're gonna, we got a few throws. We
think we can make at least early in the game
that they did, and that was the stunner to me.
And now I'm not expecting them to become air Coriel obviously,
but no. And then but then, let's face the second half,
they weren't going to throw it all because they're just
they want to end the game, right, they just they
want to get out of Dodge.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
With the victory. Well, it was frustrating is they actually
did throw it a little bit and the quarterback couldn't
complete the passes. That's where it was also annoying because
he obviously made some passes in their first dyes. And
then you watch him because he hasn't been a good
passer all season, and you go, that's the guy you
were kind of expecting to see, right, and for whatever
the reason, they didn't see him. And the stat I
(18:53):
used on the Sunday Show yesterday was since Kirk Ferns
kind of got it going in his third season, he's
twenty in five against Minnesota, He's twenty seven all time.
He lost his first two to Mace. Think about that,
twenty and five and he's just owned them no matter
who the coach was. And that and sometimes you think
I've been down there when you think the Gophers are
gonna win twenty nineteen. I've been down when they hate
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their coordinator. That's like every other year when they want
a fire Kirk and like none of it has mattered
in this matchup. He's because we spent all that time
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Speaker 2 (20:07):
Christian darisaw today, I came back way earlier than anyone
had projected for me. I played in more games than
I thought I would be at already, So it's just
a part of the rehab. Twelve months is what they
told me, crushed the rehab process and was able to
play week three. Regarding this week, he says his knee
(20:28):
is feeling pretty good. See how it progresses as the
week goes on. I'm not here to debate and disagree
with Christian Darisaw about being ahead of schedule and crushing it.
But then I'll go back to what I've said at
least once before. The Vikings then have done a very
(20:49):
bad job of managing expectations in this case, right, And
I you know, it's it's not an it's a challenge
to know how to publicly.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Shape this, I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
But we've talked to several of the reporters who are
around this team, and there was never really I mean,
we just kept being told he's right on schedule and
everything's going good, and the implication was he'll pretty much
be ready for the start of the regular season.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't know if those words were ever used, But
being the you know, the league being set up the
way it is, attention being what it isn't isn't there
a way an artful way for whether it's O'Connell, whether
it's a general manager or the position whatever. Somebody say Hey, look,
(21:44):
we're very, very pleased with where Christian is here, but
let's remember when this injury took place and how long
these injuries are supposed to take. So we're going in
with our eyes open. The more Christian we get, the better,
that's our hope. But there may be stretches early in
this season where we don't see him. I just think
(22:04):
there that that would have served his purpose better because
I think what he's he's finding himself more on the defensive.
It's clearly that I think he thinks he should be
and I believe they could have done something about that.
We've gotten texts on that on this for weeks. It's like,
what was he pulling? Sof what do you mean he's
pulling stuff? What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
He's soft? What's the deal?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Obviously he's not soft, But because all along it was, hey,
everything's great with Christian, well they and literally they might
have meant that, but there should have. They should have
found a way training staff somewhere in there to say
what I just said that.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Don't expect that. We know that everybody knows we're.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Gonna he's gonna be able to play every down of
every every offensive snap. Of every game from the start
of the season. It may be a little bit more complicated,
It may be a little bit we may have to
go sideways a little bit, because all of this is
in the name of caution, because what's the objective the
long term viability and health of one of our most
important players.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Good friend of mine used to be a host at
a restaurant somewhere, and one thing they were always told,
when a guest comes in and says, we'd like a
table for four, is no problem. That'll be twenty minutes,
you know, Okay, when they know it's going to be tense,
when they pull up and all of a sudden, they're
little buzzer rings ten minutes earlier than they thought. Everybody's excited. Right,
(23:24):
When do the customers get pissed? Yeah, we're told our
table is gonna be ready fifteen minutes. We've been here
for twenty five. We've been here for thirty Any update
on the on the guard table for four? The point is,
if you just manage things the right way on the
front end, people I think are fairly reasonable, correct. I
don't know if you talked about this on Friday, but
I also thought it was interesting when They were asking
(23:46):
Koc about JJ after the game on Thursday, and he
said something like he'll be the starter when he's healthy,
as has always been the case. Yes, like, well that
hasn't been what you've told us for three weeks, right
and again. And we don't expect you to name a
starter every single time you go to the podium. But
that's not what we heard right after Carson in London,
(24:07):
And will just answer your question. That's why I didn't
say it, because at that point Carson was in a
different place and he had to keep the option open,
didn't he. So to your point, he is trying to
have it both ways. He is saying something different and
I don't even blame for saying it, but he can't
be upset with the question. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The defensiveness regarding this whole thing. Thankfully, that's about to
go away, right because there's no mystery left now. Right,
McCarthy is going to be the quarterback the rest of
this season unless he can't stay healthy, right period, end
of story.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, let's break.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Let's get Nacho Lieber's reaction to the Carson Wentz news,
maybe what he sees regarding the National Football Conference North
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Carson Wentz will undergo season ending surgery on his left
shoulder that is apparently now official. He'll go on ir
and so his season, maybe his career as a Minnesota Viking.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Is over.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Kyle Fromisanti writes after the game presser, Koc thanked Wentz
for weathering the storm that wasn't a storm, that was
a five, that was a Category five hurricane he was
asked to weather, one could say, right, and he ain't blameless.
I get that he was not perfect any stretch of
(01:00):
the imagination, but it will be I think it's going
to stand up as one of the great mysteries of
Koc's run, no matter how long that run is in Minnesota,
that he did not pull him from that game. Again,
that's the sort of thing where if Mike Zimmer doesn't
(01:22):
be like God, that's cruel.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What's that I mean? Does he does he have a
heart that So there's a piece of this that's got
to be explained. To me.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Maybe Seaffert will be able to tell me. I'm not sure.
Maybe liber It still doesn't make hell of a lot
of sense. Here's my question. You can't go with two quarterbacks.
I know you want your guy to start, right, so
do we Is there a quarterback? I'm forgetting that we
still had on on our taxi squad that we can
(01:50):
move up or are we going to be in the
We got to add another body, don't we don't you
have to have three in the building.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
They must already have that, because they bo my forgetting. Well,
what wasn't there? Wasn't there a Desmond Ridder? Do we
still have him? I don't know him. I've lost touch.
I'm gonna look, I'm gonna look it up here quickly.
But they brought in they're signing a tight end. I
saw that. Yeah, that roster spot is going to to
a tight end. You're right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So, by the way, it was tight end day on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And how about the Packers tight end? Did he celebrate
or what he was a beast last night? It is unbelievable.
We're already three games behind the Packers and the lost column.
By the way, Yeah, the Packers, we're three and four,
and we got to go to avoid being three and five.
We got to go to Detroit and win.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And by the way, by the time we played Baltimore,
is that the next week Lamar is going to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
In fact, the rumor is Lamar will probably I think
they play Thursday this week, that he may be back then.
And you know the other rumor, despite the.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Fact they went into that game, I think one in
five they were convinced that they could win the game
against the Bears without Lamar Jacks And you know what,
they're right, thirty to sixteen Hutley, I mean, and you
know for all the people, oh he could, It's hard
to win with a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Huntley was the third string quarterback. They didn't even go
to him originally as the backup. They went to the
guy who beat us. The guy used to be in
Dallas was their backup. Wasn't until this week that they
went with Hutley, and he was. He looked brilliant against
the Bears. So don't tell me you can never win
a game with a backup quarterback. They won with a
third stringer.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So keep that in mind for the future. But now
it doesn't matter. And now it's JJ McCarthy's on the clock.
Now it's his baby, and there's gonna be a lot
of pressure on him from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
By the way, his ankle looked pretty good when he
had to hop one of them teammates. Yeah, sure, everybody said,
everybody was he that was like a fifteen inch vertic
gold just out of nowhere. He just hopped over. You
think he's been playing possible. Well, he looks. I'm saying,
he looks pretty good. He didn't look like he landed
funny or he had any residuals from that jump. It
looks quick, nice explosiveness. And then he just stood there,
(04:15):
looks pretty looks ready to go. Heard a lot about
his lower body base, you know, the last few weeks
his lower body base seemed fine. Base balance and bros.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That's what happens when you got to fill in the
you know, and you can't talk about him playing. You
got to make stuff up and and fill in and
all these other other areas.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Who starts tonight do we know is in place of
Anthony Edwards? It's a good question. It's Denver, right, Denver
is a problem. I really believe. I like their.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Offseason Actually, I think I think they're a better team
than they were here. I think they have better support
help for him than they did a year ago.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I really do. They had a hillacious game with Golden
State that was a fun game. Stephan went nuts, scored
like the last thirty. I'm trying to think, do they
go Do they go with Clark? Do they go with Shannon? Yeah?
One of those two, don't you think? Yeah, Well, you
know I ain't gonna be doing him. No, it's not
gonna be dilling Ham for sure. Am I forgetting somebody?
(05:17):
It's got to be one of the young kids, Tyland. Yeah,
but he's the point guard. Yeah, So if you're starting
Dante at the point, I think it's got to be
Clark or Shannon. Could be Shannon, that would be my
guess who are we forgetting? I mean, it's obviously they're
gonna sender the offense more around Randall than they have.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And he had what he was over thirty last night?
Was he was good? Yeah? He had had a nice
ball game. All Right.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I got to go for a question for you because
I think this is the biggest disappointment for me regarding
the Iowa game. And then we'll mix and match, and
as I mentioned, Ben Leeber is going to join. Later
we get his reaction to the Wentz news out now
for the season, preparing for shoulder surgery, and then Johnny
Athletic will file a live report.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
He'll be at Target Center by then onenty five to thirty.
Probably it's a home game, isn't he? Yes, eight thirty tips.
We got the Lakers? Is it Wednesday? Wednesday? Another eight
thirty tip? No Lebron, no Luca, no skinny Luca. But
the best third option in the NBA. Austin Reeve won
fifty one last night, fifty one undrafted. Yeah, he's been good.
He was good the other night against us. He killed
(06:23):
us too. Yeah, not for I mean, Luca was the
story that night. But helps. They call him the Hillbilly Koby,
which sounds a little bit, you know, suspicious to me,
but you know he can do the stereotyping if that's
his nicknames, yea, okay, the Hillbilly Kobe. Okay. I mean
I think.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
There's like, well, that's another one, but that's kind of
falling out of face.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Can't do that one either.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think in the history of the league there have
been is it three or four player undrafted players to
ever score fifty or more.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's not one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think he was like twenty one for twenty two. Yeah,
he can get going. Yeah, all right, let's stay on schedule.
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Speaker 3 (07:10):
Play.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Ryan wants to know whether the Wolves game will be
exclusively on Peacock tonight or also on FanDuel Sports Network.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Do you know the answer to that question? I don't
think I do. I don't, but I'll double check it.
We'll find out check.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But I'm pretty sure it's just on Peacock, but you
might be right as well. Was Fridays just on Amazon
or was that on FanDuel as well? Because I watched
the question. I watched it on Amazon, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I did, And it's it's so much harder to go
back and forth between you know, dish stuff and that.
So I don't have the answer to that question either,
But we'll try to get to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Of exactly that. Yeah, it's hard to keep up, right,
you got it. You do have to pay attention these days.
You have a lot of options, There's no question about that.
Here's my but this is Jack ad Jason from Egan.
Caleb got ripped for the same behavior last Year's what
(08:20):
Herb Street. I don't share Gg's affection for that guy
ripped Wentz for. Well in this case, you were not
agreeing with herb Street. That was your point. R right, Yeah,
you were saying I thought ridiculous, Yeah, yeah, yeah Caleb, Well, yeah,
Caleb did get ripped for some of that. With Caleb,
it it seemed like it happened whether he was injured
(08:43):
or not, or whether he was just frustrated and then
was on the bench, you know, like laying down things
like that, which is never a helpful. Look.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't know that's the difference between being good and bad,
but I don't know that it's necessarily helpful. But again
to your point, I don't want to be labored. But
it almost feels to me like the Vikings agreed with
Herbstreet because I otherwise it doesn't make any sense that
you don't pull a guy who's in that much agony
(09:12):
unless you're convinced that it's not that he's just he's
kind of milking a little bit. But it's hard to
accuse a man of milking it when this he's now
going to undergo surgery on said shoulder. That would indicate
some structural issues, would it not?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It would? I know people want to hammer him, and
I'm not here to.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Tell you he's looked like an MVP candidate, but I
I lawed his ability to hang in man, I do,
and I still think he's not. He wasn't as bad
as the mc bobos want to believe, given the position
he walked into.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He came in was it three days before the season? Yeah,
I have nothing but respect. So Carson, he is who
he is, and he is who he is. Yeah, it's
exactly you shouldn't be expecting for good that's been on.
He's he's got a record for starting six games for
six different teams in six straight seasons, right, or a
game for six different teams in six seasons. Yes, like
there's a reason because he's not great. No, he's not,
(10:11):
but he's functional and he's he answered the call and
he played and well, he was obviously very tough I've
got There's no Wentz slander for me.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
There is so much else going on with this team
beyond the quarterback position, and if you can't figure that
out after that last.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Game, then you're delusional. I mean we laid out some
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I mean we we've given up over twenty of yards
rushing twice. We give up major rushing to good runners,
great runners and third and fourth string runners.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Doesn't seem to matter.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
We're getting gashed on pass defense whenever the quarterback is
pretty good or very good. We've still got these bizar
well I say bizarre are just untimely penalties in the
special teams game and a couple other places that hurt.
We do not have solid defensive line play. We do
(11:09):
not have solid offensive line play. Not all of that
can be about injury because the defensive line isn't that
hurt offensive line. Yeah, that's certainly part of it. And
I also think that the head coach is not stuck
to what who had the stat today? Was it your
guy alec Lewis? See if I can find it here
(11:30):
on the fly? I think I saved it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Because I thought it was It's not at the top
of the list of problems, But it does I think
reflect one vikings in second and two or fewer, or
third and two or fewer since twenty twenty two. You
want to guess our pass rate since twenty twenty two,
(11:55):
pass rate on second and two or fewer, third and
two or few I'm gonna say seventy. No, No, it's
not quite that bad. It's fifty one point two, but
that is the highest in the league in that period.
Run rate forty eight point eight lowest in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Did you see the game success rate fifty five point
seven percent, also lowest in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So we're not making this stuff up. And I added
to the list.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's I think what I said Friday, and I think
I heard you use the same term with the Gophers
because they both apply. Both those games were total It's
the poll ad quote. Both those games were total system
failures completely. I mean, it wasn't about any one thing.
That's what made it so disturbing. You can't micro manage
that one.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, everything just peacock tonight, by the way, it is
the peack Okay, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Here's what disappointed me about the Iowa game. We've talked
about this before. The Gophers are never going to be
the Vikings in this town, right, It's just not going
to work that way. That's not there. That's not about results.
That's just about the pecking order. But there have been
(13:06):
in several seasons opportunities to say, for maybe the casual
football fan of.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Going, huh, wait a minute, this feels a little different.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It feels like something difference going on right now. You
could say, to a certain extent, the Govers already blew
that by losing to cal and even the way they
played against Purdue, even though they came back and won.
But then you have such a total system success against Nebraska.
I think it opened the door to huh, this season
(13:37):
has you gotta You've opened the door a little bit
to what might be something really worth paying attention to.
And by the way, at the same time, the Vikings
seem to be going in the wrong direction, so you
even have a chance to maybe gain a little leverage
there too. And then you play as poorly as they
did in that game, as non competitively as they did
(14:00):
in that game, You played it. Every stereotype about the
Iowa Gopher rivalry going back forever, right, thirty years, forty years,
fifty years, whatever the case may be. And to me,
it's at that point you go, again, this is gonna
be another cute season. They're gonna win more games than
they lose. They could still win eight, right, they still
have a chance to win eight games. But the window,
(14:20):
the opportunity that you created by a really good performance
against Nebraska, I don't even think it called for the
that you had to win the Iowa game, but obviously
that would have been the home run. But you had
to at least make it a ball game, right, you
had to make it.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
A ball game.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And now that you haven't, now, I just I think
people are done. They're gonna tune out. The casual fan
is out again. A yeah, I'll see what. I'll give
it this Saturday.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
What they do.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
They got Michigan State this week. Michigan State, I think
is winless in the Big Ten. So that's obviously a
game they can win, they probably should win. But what
do we got left? We got to go to Oregon? Right,
we got Wisconsin, which obviously is very winnable. Whom I forgetting Northwestern?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So I just think that's and in several years there
have been that those games where it looks encouraging, but
it doesn't get sustained to a place where you go, oh,
they're moving up one level. The one level is gone
again this year as far as screensory, that to me
was that it had to be. The disappointing part for
them is we didn't They didn't show. They did not show.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
They showed less even than the Viking showed up against
the Chargers in LA.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Two days before. About sixty percent of what you just
said is essentially what I said in the car ride
home from Iowa with my family, because I thought the
same thing after Thursday night. If the Gophers go and
beat Iowa, people are going to pay attention because you know,
they always have their fans, right, Yeah, they always have
(15:53):
their students, and they always have the people that go correct.
But there is We've talked about it with all the
sports in this town. If the Vikan give you an opportunity,
people will flock and go and go check some things out.
And I think the Nebraska game got some people's attentions
more than more than they had been paying attention to
so far this season, and so it was completely deflating
(16:15):
when within so I was excited about the game, so
excited to see how they were going to play against
Iowa Iowa. As good as they played the other day
and as well as they played last week against Penn State,
there were still I think some questions about them. Now
people are talking about them being in the playoffs potentially
if they beat Oregon in two weeks and that games
in Iowa City. It is correct, they have a bye
and then Oregon comes to town, so that that's going
(16:36):
to be probably the game of the week that week
in the Big Ten. I'll watch that game. That game
will interest me, it'll interest most of the country. It should.
We kind of curious to see can they can they
carry it through? And so that's where I was fired
up about what that game was going to look like
and what it could potentially mean. Again, not that you
have to win that is the home run, but let's
see it. Let's go down there and see what happens.
(16:57):
I was excited to see how Drake Lindsay was going
to play it, because he's good now. It was his
worst game obviously by far, and that's the that's the
disappointing part is because there is the reality that you
have these little moments as the years go on to
really kind of get other people's attention and show that
it's going to be something different. And they within fifteen
(17:17):
minutes of the game, it was over in every every
way possible. And now it's we've talked about this before,
you got to go beat Oregon, which is obviously, you know, unlikely, difficult.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and so that's the tough part. So I don't
think I hallucinated this. Did I not see in the
goer Iowa game? Iowa throw the ball downfield on a
second and two. Speaking of second and two's you know
we're talking about Ben, we're talking about with the with
the Vikings, it's we we we we refuse to run
on second and two. Iowa, you look as the exact
(17:52):
opposite extreme. They refuse to pass the ball on second
and two. And to me, that's the other thing. Where
as much as I thought PG and Company looked like
they'd out coached Rule and company, they looked out coached
against Iowa. They looked like they had a better plan.
Their plan wasn't just at the quarterback run all of
the time. He obviously ran some, but it was also
(18:15):
we're gonna, we're gonna, we got a few throws. We
think we can make at least early in the game
that they did, and that was the stunner to me.
And now I'm not expecting them to become air Coriel obviously,
but no. And then but then, let's face the second half,
they weren't going to throw it all because they're just
they want to end the game, right, they just they
want to get out of Dodge.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
With the victory. Well, it was frustrating is they actually
did throw it a little bit and the quarterback couldn't
complete the passes. That's where it was also annoying because
he obviously made some passes in their first dyes. And
then you watch him because he hasn't been a good
passer all season, and you go, that's the guy you
were kind of expecting to see, right, and for whatever
the reason, they didn't see him. And the stat I
(18:53):
used on the Sunday Show yesterday was since Kirk Ferns
kind of got it going in his third season, he's
twenty in five against Minnesota, He's twenty seven all time.
He lost his first two to Mace. Think about that,
twenty and five and he's just owned them no matter
who the coach was. And that and sometimes you think
I've been down there when you think the Gophers are
gonna win twenty nineteen. I've been down when they hate
(19:14):
their coordinator. That's like every other year when they want
a fire Kirk and like none of it has mattered
in this matchup. He's because we spent all that time
about Wisconsin. Yeah, and now they've kind of flipped that one,
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Speaker 2 (20:07):
Christian darisaw today, I came back way earlier than anyone
had projected for me. I played in more games than
I thought I would be at already, So it's just
a part of the rehab. Twelve months is what they
told me, crushed the rehab process and was able to
play week three. Regarding this week, he says his knee
(20:28):
is feeling pretty good. See how it progresses as the
week goes on. I'm not here to debate and disagree
with Christian Darisaw about being ahead of schedule and crushing it.
But then I'll go back to what I've said at
least once before. The Vikings then have done a very
(20:49):
bad job of managing expectations in this case, right, And
I you know, it's it's not an it's a challenge
to know how to publicly.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Shape this, I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
But we've talked to several of the reporters who are
around this team, and there was never really I mean,
we just kept being told he's right on schedule and
everything's going good, and the implication was he'll pretty much
be ready for the start of the regular season.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't know if those words were ever used, But
being the you know, the league being set up the
way it is, attention being what it isn't isn't there
a way an artful way for whether it's O'Connell, whether
it's a general manager or the position whatever. Somebody say Hey, look,
(21:44):
we're very, very pleased with where Christian is here, but
let's remember when this injury took place and how long
these injuries are supposed to take. So we're going in
with our eyes open. The more Christian we get, the better,
that's our hope. But there may be stretches early in
this season where we don't see him. I just think
(22:04):
there that that would have served his purpose better because
I think what he's he's finding himself more on the defensive.
It's clearly that I think he thinks he should be
and I believe they could have done something about that.
We've gotten texts on that on this for weeks. It's like,
what was he pulling? Sof what do you mean he's
pulling stuff? What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
He's soft? What's the deal?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Obviously he's not soft, But because all along it was, hey,
everything's great with Christian, well they and literally they might
have meant that, but there should have. They should have
found a way training staff somewhere in there to say
what I just said that.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Don't expect that. We know that everybody knows we're.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Gonna he's gonna be able to play every down of
every every offensive snap. Of every game from the start
of the season. It may be a little bit more complicated,
It may be a little bit we may have to
go sideways a little bit, because all of this is
in the name of caution, because what's the objective the
long term viability and health of one of our most
important players.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Good friend of mine used to be a host at
a restaurant somewhere, and one thing they were always told,
when a guest comes in and says, we'd like a
table for four, is no problem. That'll be twenty minutes,
you know, Okay, when they know it's going to be tense,
when they pull up and all of a sudden, they're
little buzzer rings ten minutes earlier than they thought. Everybody's excited. Right,
(23:24):
When do the customers get pissed? Yeah, we're told our
table is gonna be ready fifteen minutes. We've been here
for twenty five. We've been here for thirty Any update
on the on the guard table for four? The point is,
if you just manage things the right way on the
front end, people I think are fairly reasonable, correct. I
don't know if you talked about this on Friday, but
I also thought it was interesting when They were asking
(23:46):
Koc about JJ after the game on Thursday, and he
said something like he'll be the starter when he's healthy,
as has always been the case. Yes, like, well that
hasn't been what you've told us for three weeks, right
and again. And we don't expect you to name a
starter every single time you go to the podium. But
that's not what we heard right after Carson in London,
(24:07):
And will just answer your question. That's why I didn't
say it, because at that point Carson was in a
different place and he had to keep the option open,
didn't he. So to your point, he is trying to
have it both ways. He is saying something different and
I don't even blame for saying it, but he can't
be upset with the question. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The defensiveness regarding this whole thing. Thankfully, that's about to
go away, right because there's no mystery left now. Right,
McCarthy is going to be the quarterback the rest of
this season unless he can't stay healthy, right period, end
of story.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, let's break.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Let's get Nacho Lieber's reaction to the Carson Wentz news,
maybe what he sees regarding the National Football Conference North
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