November 20, 2025 • 50 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show recapping the great homestand for the Wild and the outstanding play by both goalies before Sean Salisbury joins for his weekly appearance and dives deep into the struggles of JJ McCarthy.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is YoY. While the kid quarterback keeps.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Rewiring neurological pathways, the kid goalie just keeps denying pathways
to the wild net.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Take that, Kevin Falmas.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Two minutes eleven seconds past the hour of three o'clock
Central Standard time, we welcome you back to a Thursday
edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on a well
not too cold, but rather overcast Thursday afternoon here in
the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
My name is Dan Barrero, Hockey Ambassador Guards.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He's the producer of the show, fresh off a trip
to Glenn Mason's old territory, Lawrence, Kansas, and we are
delighted that you are along for today's ride between now
and I'm presuming six o'clock tonight. Yes, sir, big kind
of a program change today to accommodate schedules. Russo Radio
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is going to join us tomorrow, and we needed somebody
to move to today, and that person, graciously indeed, is
Lavelle lavell E Neil the Third.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So he's five h two correct, Is that correct? You
got it?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Doctor Dan's inbox five thirty ish or in that vicinity.
In addition, we've got Sean Salisbury confirmed for three thirty tonight,
and Bill ghan, the while general manager, is scheduled to
join us probably about four to twenty two ish, twenty
five ish. Whatever we're going to do, Bill Garon will
be with us then, and we'll get caught up with
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him regarding his suddenly red hot Minnesota Wild hockey team.
I will fully admit that I will try to get
him going really on a goalie controversy, oh yeah, but
my heart won't be in it because, as we talked
about yesterday with Brett Blake Moore, there is there's no
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need to turn it into a who's actually number one?
In other words, there may be a time where that's
worthy conversation as we get much deeper into the season.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Now it's all for the good.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's all for the good, right because you've got you
came into this season feeling good about I think your
number one goalie and and not so good or a
little concerned about, well, where where's the kid waalst at,
where's he gonna when's he gonna start.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
In prospect picking it up?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it's the kind of his performance gives you if
it if it creates any sort of drama, it's the
kind of drama you live for. I've always felt that
the goaltender position is one of the most romantic in
all of sports.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You know, mythic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You can build myths around great goaltenders over the course
of a season, over the course of of of a
single game, right, sometimes a single period. And it ain't
a problem if you feel like you can go with
either of your goaltenders, especially the way the league has evolved,
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where generally speaking, it's not like the old days where
like Tony Esposito Caesar Moniago might start like eight seventy
five of eighty two. Those days I think are gone,
or you prefer for them to be gone the way
the league is up here. And the kid was very
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good again when he needed to be last night, right
they they eventually did score well, I shouldn't say earlier
in the game, they did score on him, which in
of itself might have been worthy of a commemorative print.
Right he had the minutes one hundred and seventy five
minutes wow, and twelve seconds ninety five consecutive saves.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's awfully good, by the.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Way, for the record twenty two minutes, shy of the
franchise record set by karda hazard A guess o, guy, Yeah, dude,
I'm a regular on the bumper of bush.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That's just like the one goalie I could name off
the top of my head because of that.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And it worked, and it absolutely worked, and you know eventually, well, look,
we've been giving up like one two goals a game
for a while. The kid gave up more than that.
But by all accounts, by all accounts, he's the reason
you steal the game. That for much of it, And
as I said, we'll talk about a lot of this
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with Bill Garrin.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
For really much of the puck.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Game, shall we say we did not have the better
end of the.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Action at all.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That's the beauty of the position and the beauty of
what a goaltender can do to change the game. You
never apologize for a goaltender stealing a game. It's I
would say, not a luxury. It's a requirement if you're
going to be a team that eventually has a ship
chair and a chance to dare I actually say it
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get out of round number one? And in his case, again,
there was I don't think anybody was giving up on him,
but there was a lot of JJ McCarthyism going on
with him, like, oh, man is he is? He is,
he's awfully highly toutored, but we're not seeing the returns
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on it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Dan Orlowski was doing videos about his mechanics. That's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, well his bass.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Everybody knows, his balance was screwed up, his shoulder, eyes knows,
the rest of his eyes feet nice.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I did like the did you see the wall?
By the way, is it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Officially wall I've heard Walstead or Volstead? What's what's correct?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't know, but we're going with great Wall of
Saint Paul, so I think it has to be Wallstead.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh and then in that case it probably that's how.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
People are going with. Here's I love the quote that
he had. You know, we're getting a lot of philosoph
from our kid quarterback. Yes, JJ McCarthy, Yes we are so.
I I kind of like this philosophy. And apparently as
this as the our favorite writers from the athletic laid out.
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Uh whilst that was spending some time scrolling TikTok, it's
important And here's the quote he saw.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I don't know how it was presented if.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
There were no goals scored in hockey, yes, no one
would play it. He said that last night to Joe O'Donnell.
I was listening to the post time, and I'm glad
you brought that up. I thought it was the greatest
quote I've ever heard. It's such a good quote.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And I didn't even have to rewire my you know,
my neurological pathway to understand it exactly. And and his
response to it was that kind of made me think
a little bit like, Okay, there's supposed to be goals
in hockey, but then it's my job to not make
them happen exactly. It was so good, absolutely well played.
And you'll notice it was played after another standing performance,
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in this case a four to three shootout win over
the Carolina Hurricanes, where he blanked the opposition in the
shootout period with some ridiculous Yes. Well, he also wasn't
didn't he have to save a breakaway in the overtime?
He did, Yes, because he gave up a late goal
to tie it, but that he more than redeemed himself
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with the way he.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Finished the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So if you look at sort of the position that
this team is in, Now the surge that has taken place,
We've talked about it for several days. It starts with
better goaltending, and it starts with very good defense, and
suddenly we're not giving up four or five, you know, three, four, five,
six goals a game, right, All that matters. By the way,
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there's another interesting stat that I had missed that last
night was the tenth consecutive game in which the Wild
scored first.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's helpful, and it is helpful.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
In fact, it's, according to Russo, the last team to
score first in more than ten games in a row
with the Lanch going back to twenty twenty one, twenty two. Now,
again they blew the lead in this one, but ultimately
they were able to save it. And you know, I
think we find in any sport scoring first doesn't guarantee
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you a victory, but it does put you in very
good stead in a very good position. So the surge
we are seeing in the standings, so to speak, because
it's hard to move up, I know the way the
standings are setup in the NHL. But the surge we're
seeing in terms of victories right points, Suddenly we're starting
to get consistently get two points or at least one.
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All of that starts with very good defense, better defense,
and better goaltending as well. And when they started the season,
what did we think the percent between the two goaltenders
was likely to be. I would think seventy thirty, sixty five,
thirty five. I think seventy thirty, maybe even seventy five
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to twenty five defend again, depending on.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But that's not ideal because they just signed Gus Bust too, right,
they gave an extension.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
They believe in them exactly it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Now, I think the more you see you're saying, well,
maybe it's going to be fifty to fifty, or maybe
it's going to be fifty five to forty five, whatever
the case may be, that's always to the better. Because
we've talked about this how many times with Luigi. There
is other than quarterback. There is no other position I
don't believe is important in any major sport as goaltender. Right,
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I just don't think anything it matches up to it.
And we see that last night evidence of that, where
you go, well, we should be down several goals in
this game. Now, the comeback to that is, of course
you want to play better. You do not want to
send out the message it was okay the way you played,
but it's hockey and and so good teams have goaltender
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steel games all of the time. It's a wonderful attribute
to have, and if you can get, if you can
nurture the notion that you've got two goaltenders going pretty
good and you can maybe for a while goal with
one who's especially hot but not fear then going back
to the other one, that's all good. And that's not
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a place we felt this team was headed at the
goaltender position when the season began. Now again, we got
a long way to go. Things change for you day too,
but the indications are are very good and he has
been outstanding for sure. The only time the goalie controversy
has come up where it's been bad is when you
have a goalie that's playing better, but you play Marc
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Andre Flurry in Game one of the playoffs, because he's
been there before. You can ring it up with garn again.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I mean you can, I don't.
They're in the town right where they became so closer
to Pittsburgh. But yeah, it was great. It was a
really long post game show by the way, it got
me almost all the way home from the airport to
my house. So I don't know if Falness was taking
liberties because it was after midnight.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Does Fallna say yesper valstat?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
He might.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm getting a lot of those yesper valstat. I feel
like that's what yes, spa valstat. But then how do
you do the nickname exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, well maybe we'll ask Bill Garrion. He would you
think he'd be an authority on that?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
If anybody would know, you think he would know? No
bonus bucks? Correct? Correct.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Let's come back and prepare for bottom of the hour
for our guys. Shawanee, I've got a couple of football
nuggets early as well, all right, Shaan Salthwick coming up
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at the bottom of this hour. Bill Garren about halfway
through the four o'clock hour of the program, Lavell and
the Inbox in the five o'clock hour as well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I feel like I'm kind of lost in the wilderness
when it comes to the ongoing effort to rehabilitate JJ
McCarthy's quarterback image.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Every day but Sunday you know that, and it clearly.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You tell me, I mean It clearly doesn't bother everybody
as much as it does me, because I keep waking
up not intending to go back to it, and then
I find another observation, either from the player or the
head coach or somebody around the head coach, and I
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just I just shake my head. And because I honestly
believe we're in bilateral leg weakness territory here. It's a
good comparison in that, you know, by the way it
long term, it didn't damage Joe Maher that much because
he ended up as a first ballot Hall of Famer.
But as that contrivance was uttered that quote to describe
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whatever series of injuries he was dealing with at that
point were apparently about, there was a lot of eye
rolling because it just didn't make any sense, and it
didn't help. It really didn't help the player at that
point in a public sense, from an image standpoint, and
I continue to believe that the people around him are
not doing JJ McCarthy any favors. With some of the
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gibberish that we're hearing. I've said, even if some of
it's true, it sounds so other worldly, It sounds so
much like we're trying too hard that I actually think
on this occasion a Mike Zimmerized approach would be better,
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which would be a lot more tight lipped, excuse me,
and really not maybe giving away much of anything other
than well, he just needs to play better.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And now though.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
The problem is, I'm saying the people around him are
not doing any favors. Now he's speaking about these neurological pathways.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And then what was the one somebody sent me this?
Did you see this one? I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
New this is.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I got a lot of texts yesterday regarding the things
that were said by JJ and okay on behalf of
JJ yesterday, so I've seen most of these.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
This is from Ben Gesling. McCarthy said, when he's out
walking his dogs, he'll try to sneak in an extra
ten reps with his dropback and delivery footwork.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm just telling you I know. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
If you talk to ex players off the record, they're
rolling in their eyes too, not again because they think.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
He's done that, he can't get better. But it's the.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Old just just play, just get better, improve and then
we can talk about, you know, burnishing your image, making
it seem you know, like you've got your your legendary
whatever the case may be. I like somebody tweeted me
earlier and I like the way he put it. Uh,
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this is from jan Jan the sports fan.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I had to jump out of the way of your
eyes rolling when you read about JJ rewiring neurological pathways
as a key to his development. What how many freaking
excuses will he koc make before the season is over?
He's learning, it ain't going well, say it, that's it
in a nutshell, It's okay to say he's learning.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, got a lot of things to improve on.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And don't say well, and don't say we're being presented
with learning opportunities or some fancification of it. Just say, yeah,
we've got to clean up some things. Speak English, that's it.
Speak football.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
In this case, cleaning up some things is actually better
than trying to articulate the things, if you're going to
articulate them the way they are, like.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
This is some new age lab expirit.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
He's playing quarterback in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And again, all it's.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Gonna take is some better performances, which may start as
soon as this week.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Who knows. Weird things have happened.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The whole world thinks the Vikings are going to get.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Killed in Green Bay. Yeah, you know how that goes.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Often That means the exact opposite will happen for whatever
the reason, right, because football's weird. The football gods work
in mysterious ways. I'm going to ask Sean about it.
I'll get his reaction to Salisbury as well. I mean,
I said yesterday, there's people mad at Chris Carter. You know,
I didn't know that one of McCarthy's personal private coaches
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had gone after Carter when we had him on.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Do you know about that?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So I asked him, Yesterda if he wanted to come
back on and he said no.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He said.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
The only quote I want for the record is who
is this guy? Yeah, which is you know, probably makes
some sense. But there's some people mad at Carter because
we're not really supposed to talk like that because he
used to be a member of the team.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Chris Carter with us. Were you on that day or
he was Monday?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I thought he was more than fair and he didn't
go scorre to Earth and he said yes, he said,
so you got to keep playing him, yep, And you
got to figure it out. He was concerned by some things,
there's no question about that. But I didn't think he
went over, you know, any sort of line. And I
think players who've played that that's that's what they're looking for.
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And just whatever those ten steps are, just do them correct.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Just do them. If they will get you to a
better place, that's great.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But laying it out the way you do all again,
it all it comes off as it isn't.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It doesn't come off as tweaking. It comes off.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
As a fundamental and complete change on how you do
your job. Which, again, if you believe it, then you
say to yourself, they were wrong about inserting him as
the starter from the start of this season.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They were wrong. I mean they just were.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
If it if he if you have to start a
or continue a revolution with him, and you know that
he didn't practice much last year, right, then to me,
what you're admitting or revealing in.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
A sort of in a strange sort of way, as.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
We did need to wait another year, we did need
to play this out even longer. If indeed the fundamental
elementary stuff you're talking about him needing to do better
or do completely differently than they ever did before.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
If you're that, if you still have that far to.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Go in the process, right, I'm going to defend them
in the explanations in this way. Our media jackals love
bringing up the process and the fundamental. They love pulling
at this thread.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
They do.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We've been I've been teasing all of them about it
basically for like the last month. You know, how do
you even in training camp you know the process?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Do you think it's because they love they they love
the detail?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is that it? Why do they think?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Why is there not any ability to say, really, that's
really what we're Is this really what we're I know
we asked, but is this what you want.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
To give us?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But they're also beat writers as opposed to like columnists.
They're looking for stories and explanations. So I'm defending all
sides there, that's true. But what I've left with this week,
and I know we have to break for Salisbury after
listening again to another week about base balance, body, brozemer, feet, knives, neuropathy,
whatever we're talking about here, I'm guessing Mahomes wasn't worried
about neuropath neurological pathways. Josh Allen, who we compare him
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to now, I'm guessing he wasn't worried about pathways. My
succinct reaction to everything I've heard specifically this week, especially
JJ saying they're basically reteaching him the entire position from
what he's learned as a fetus, all the way through
IMG Academy and the private coaches. And the other story
is Daniel Jones should be the starting quarterback there right now.
That's what I've learned for the week. They should have
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given him seventy million bucks and said it's your job
to or at least yeah, you can compete for the job. Yes,
we are, we are, We promise you. It's an open competition.
That's not close. That's what I've come away with. Well, yeah,
and I'm not giving up on JJ either. I believe
in development and obviously he needs it, and I'm not
saying he's a bust like so many are willing to
do right now.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I believe. I still believe in KOC.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But that sound like we got to he's they have
to rework almost everything he does so that he does
it right, non mechanically, he just does it out of habit,
And then that means you, guys and I'm sure they
would say, well, we didn't. We didn't know that he
was this had this far to go, but they should
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have and and and now we're left with the position
you're in where the season itself can't say it's going
to be wasted if you get experienced from him.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But that's very different than the problems. They're honest.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They thought that was gonna We're going to be among
the goals that they were going for this year. Real quick,
where did it go? This is rebuilding?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I had one other quick? They're coming in so fast?
Is the problem?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Oh, Zimer? This is from Tom Columbia Heights. Zimmer was
tight lipped. Didn't he rip all his quarterbacks and training
camp for being unvaccinated? I'd rather have short end to
the point answers than the word salad that koc is
giving us.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Would see the game.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Let's come back and get Sean Salisbury's view of the
JJ McCarthy dilemma and a name for next year that
is already being floated for Minnesota by, among others, your
guy Mike Florio.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's neck.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Sean Salisbury is rare and to go.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I apologize for a lousy clock management to getting him earlier,
because we like every minute we can get with Sean.
If you have questions or comments, and some of you
already have passed them along to us, the branch on
Brian Kfein text line is open at six four six
eighty six. You're the perfect person to get into this
with us and to answer this particular question because we're
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in it, you know, we're in the middle of it.
You're on the outside of it, and I think maybe
you can be a little bit more objective and so
before we explore what you're seeing in the JJ McCarthy performance,
I'm in the group that is in kind of eye
rolling mode Sean regarding the approach verbally publicly that the
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head coach and now even the QB that are taking
and that is, you know, reminding us that you know
feet and eyes, feet and eyes, and always telling them
about feet and eyes and bo what's the other one?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Base body based body, boased body.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
There's there are all these sayings that that are our
our attempts, I guess, Sean to sort of explain why
he's struggling that to me. The newest one, by the way,
was from JJ yesterday about he's rewiring his neurological pathways,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Going, man, that's too much to me. It comes off
like this is a lab experiment rather than just just
figure out.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
What habits you have to improve on and go do it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So are we making too much out of the approach
here or does it contribute to the notion that, my god,
this kid's not even close even if eventually he could
end up being a really good good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, and I think eventually, Dan, he is going to
be a good player.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I've stayed that on here. I think there's you know,
at the college level at accuracy. Didn't throw it a lot.
He's still in the infancy. He hasn't even played a
full season yet as a starting quarterback. So let's put
that aside because we're talking about now on exactly what.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Your question is.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
So I do no matter how I criticize a compliment,
I'm going to always be honest.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I'm not gonna send them this. I'm gonna tall.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I I think JJ McCarthy knows how to win, and
I think he's gonna be a good player.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
You've seen flashes real quick well in both.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Chicago games at the end of one and to get
him into this one and then the defense you.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Know, allowed him to go down and they lose the game.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But under duress in pressure situations, he's come through a
couple of times this year.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
But he's got a lot to learn. All right.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Now to your point question, I'm one hundred and eighty
degrees different from the way they're talking during the season.
Mechanics matter to me. I'm a when I teach and
train kids, I'm a mechanics fanatic. I'm not a robotics guy.
I can tell you this though. The things that they're
telling you, that's all off season stuff and lonely work.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
When you're reading a book and you're thinking about it.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
If you're jj and going through you see him like
in college, and I still think he does in the NFL.
He sits down and meditates before the game, right, and
that's great. All that to get in your zen fine,
too much clutter if this is what you're thinking about
during the season. Hence why we're having some trouble all
this base ball. I mean, we all have our slogans
we go to or stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I like base balance and load where you keep the
ball loaded. You got good based, good mouths. But if
I'm emphasizing that and constantly have that on my mind.
My number one goal is to remove clutter, not to
add to it. Right, And it looks to me like
he's playing with clutter. And I get all the jargon
of the motivational zig ziggler Tony Robbins motivational stuff get
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I do, and I understand that. But like anything, I've
said it here before, how many coaches do we know
constantly beating up mental and emotional and physical mechanics and
players during the season. Minimal that's done between your last
game and when you get to the next one. So
you're trying to I always compare golf in quarterbacking. I
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just do because there's a lot of parallels to the
mental approach. It's hard to play the position angry on
golf if you're angry and you're over gripping. Same thing
with football, now focused or irritated sometimes when you got
the ball and you got to make a first down running.
I just talking about your approach when everybody else the
middle linebacker can do that because he's flying around and
beating people up.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You've got twenty one other guys.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
You're dealing with defense, and your other ten on offense,
not SAMs you and really twenty two with you.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
So I'll try to remove clutter.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So all this stuff you're telling yourself sounds great in
a loud but Gatorade wasn't created during the season. It
was created in the off season, so you can drink
it during the season. Clutter removed. I know what I'm
going to I eat a bottle of water grape what
goes in? I don't know all the alkaline, but I
do know this, I gotta drink it to stay hydrid.
Same thing here, Why am I adding all this clutter?
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And to the media and fans worse than here.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Go what what I can't? They can't fathom it.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
And so when a guy drops back to pass, just
like they say read golf, I just if.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You've got more than three or four swing.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Thoughts on your three by five car, if they can't fit,
it's too many. So all this stuff is fine as
long as you're applying it with your mechanics. Because if
you're doing that during the season, how am I executing
a game plan and studying defenses?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
There's not enough hours in the day.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
So while I love the thought, I love the thought
between elimination time when your season's over and training camp
that's and then asking questions and.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't mind you're sitting around.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
You go in and have your meeting with your head
coach Kevin, and you say, hey, man, let's make sure
we stay focused on those things we've talked about. Great,
but I'm up in the media and I'm working on this,
working on this. How about right now, I'm at the
stage of the season, dude, just go make me a play.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Julet's get it done. Execute, Simplify in your own mind.
I'm not adding clutter. It's tough enough to succeed against
good teams and bad teams, let alone, when you're carrying
around the burden of a Santa Claus bag full of
tricks in your mind that you're trying to execute, can't
do it. And so I get he's young, he's still
doing it. He benefited from that. But remember when he
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left Michigan won a national title. He was the veteran
who'd been in a system for a while. Now he's
new in the system, hasn't even played a full season.
I don't want to overload with all the stuff you
may have learned at your academy in high school.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
That'll be fine in the off season. I need your
mind clear.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
I'd rather have him come back to me and say,
you know, I'm gonna do within the structure of this offense.
I'm gonna go like I'm playing in my Thanksgiving Day
Turkey Bowl with my buddies, like we did in high school.
I'm gonna let the damn thing rip, and I'm gonna
cut it loose. What's happened in the last two minutes
of a game, Dan, Normally, while they may be sending
it in in a two minute drill and you're playing fast,
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you're not thinking. That's why you see a lot of success.
Sometimes defenses will zone it up and give you a
chance to get completions. But as a quarterback, always liked
it because you know what You're just the game's in
your hands. Okay, call two plays before we come out. Boom,
hit the screen, come back, next play, hit it.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
You look over. They may be telling you, but coaches
are usually playing it our day.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Wen we knew the five or six plays we were
going to never cross over a formation. When you started
in a right formation, stay in a right formation, and
then you're execute, because then you're just becoming a football player.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
But man, you're carrying.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Around that hulebrid And look at his success in these
two Chicago games where he's been able to at the
end because now he's just going back to what he
knows instead of overloading his mind. And I just you
just can't do it. You'll blow a gasket. It's like
your internet's going to go out because eight billion people
are on it. So get rid of that. We'll deal
with that in the offseason. I'm just as soon have
you say, you know what, it's time for me to
go be a damn football player, because that's what he
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is and he'll be good, But get.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Rid of the clutter. Now. I'd rather at this stage
of the season eliminate some of these things.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Let's execute what you do well and give our team
a chance, because right now JJ McCarthy looks like a
guy who's overwhelmed in the majority of the game and
the majority of the season.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And like I said, I love his game. I think
he's going to be fine.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Right now, he looks like the biggest mistake that the
Vikings made was to let Sam Darnold walk, even regardless
of his game last week, Sam doing I'm just talking
to him.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
It looks to me.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
It looks to me like it's a guy who's got
too much on his mind and has tried too hard
to please all this and that instead of just going
and doing what JJ's always done. Go win games, man,
We'll deal with all the other stuff. Your mechanical sweep.
I play golf a lot, Dan, and I'm going to
tell you, And you know you go up and down
like everything, And I'm going to tell you right now,
every time I go get a lesson and then go
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right to the golf course. Do you want to know
how well I play, I've got zero. It's like the
first time I've ever played, because okay, hand grip and
mix sure square the club and your takeaway and your tempo.
And by the time he done it, even if you
hit a good shot, you assume it's a bad one
because like my mind's overloaded. So I would assume more
simplicity and we'll do all the psychological Tony Robbins stuff
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in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Let me ask you to translate this part of a
quote from yesterday. He said, coming in here, I was
taught how to play quarterback in a very different way,
and that's expected going into the league, going to any
new team, any new system. But the end of the day,
it was really just the injuries that I felt like
took away all those reps to make those a habit
and make them concrete. So when he talks about this
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is all very new playing, I'm being taught to play
quarterback in a very different way.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
What do you think he's referring to there, Well.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I think he's got to be referring to the way
it was taught in their meeting room or had you
know harvort O'Connell. Now, there is a big difference in
the way they go about their business, right, I mean,
as far as one's in a different.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Jim is Jim has always coached the kind of the
way he played.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
We're gonna get under center, we're going to run play action,
and we're going to play this way. Kevin, Well, we've
seen it in their result. It feels like their past
first run second, right, Jim has always been run first,
past second, play action, playing the strength. So regardless, he
didn't say in there that I wasn't coached right at
either place, being coached different, of course you are, and
you'll be coached different every time a new coach or
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you go somewhere else, or if having left or a
new quarterback coach gets this one gets a job or whatever,
You're going to be coached a little bit different. The
Verbiagill change. Maybe somebody will teach different mechanics. But a
curl still a curl, a dig route still.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
A dig route.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
There's only eleven guys, how we identify them as usually
the same?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Will, Sam and Mike.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
So the basis of football and between one hundred yards
the stripes and fifty two and a third, whatever it
is wide, it's still football. So it tells me even
with this answer, did he still grabbing some of the
past stuff bringing it with him here and saying, well,
I have coach different?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yes? And guess who else is coached different?
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Caleb Williams's coach different, Ben Johnson's don't like something he
may have seen, even though Lincoln Riley and Ben Johnson
got mad scientists written all over. The mechanics may be different,
but it's still football. He's got to know.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And I don't mean this disrespectful to his coach at all,
but I tell this to anybody. You got to know,
garbage in, garbage out.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Good stuff in. I'm not saying what he's teaching garbage.
You got to know what to come in right and
bring in and keep in and what to kind of
let go in one ear and out the other, so
you don't overload your mind with your ass. Basically you
don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
So that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
I mean, so coach different the NFL, and it moves faster,
it just does. It does, and then the windows close quicker,
so if you're not on time. So the offense is
far different than what Jim was running in college.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So I get it.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Completely different, doesn't mean wrong, but different. There is an adjustment.
And he's right about the reps. The injuries have gotten
the way of consistent practice and game reps. But to
me it feels, looks and sounds like that over analyzation
and can wear you down. Man. You get rid of
the numbers, give me one, get us in the end zone,
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and find a way to get the second one, which
is a win.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But if indeed the head coach is accurate in terms
of the habits that he believes are not to use
his terms settled in concrete, yet are as important, as
Koc seems to say, to be accurate, in other words,
to not throwing the ball you know, ten feet over
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JJ's head on that short route to the right side
that actually led to a bunch of booze. I come
away from that saying they did miscalculate then on how
ready he was. You can't blame him for being heard
and not even able to practice much of last year.
But if that's the case and he is still needs
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to be broken down to be built back up fundamentally
to the degree that these quotes seem to indicate, then
aren't you admitting that we jumped the gun man. I'm
thinking that we could hand them the ball and really
try to keep this thing together and in the same
year try to be as good a contender as we can.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
We wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
You're on correct.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
What was our biggest comment when we went last year
coming into this year the off season, Sam, We've had
these conversations and when they decided and we talked about this,
so could you keep Sam Donald with the you know,
the franchise down all the things we discussed last year,
and we said, and the biggest thing that's going to
face is do they have the guts to turn.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
It over to a guy who's an as it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
A rookie that is coming up, not just a rookie,
but a rookie who has injured the entire year, has
got no reps. Are you willing to part with everything
and just turn the whole He hand him the Ferrari now,
and here's the keys, dude, But you don't want to
turn a Ferrari into a penta. Not that there's anything
wrong with pentos, but I don't want an AMC pacer.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I had one of those, so I don't want one.
But they don't move this slick and as fast.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
But it was a risk, and you were going to
have a step back regardless of how you felt about
it coming out. Because I feel highly about him too.
I love that they drafted him. It didn't mean you
had to force feed it. Because we're always everything is
such changing gratification, And I know Kevin saw something at Michigan.
This ain't Michigan, I thought too. I also know he
sees something in the kid's attitude and of the way
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that people gravitate to I get it, but it's still
got to get under center and play sixty five plays
a game, and if it's still not in concrete, as
JJ says, and there's still it's a work in progress.
Couldn't that a work in progress be brought along a
tad slower when you had a Pro Bowl quarterback, We
through thirty plus touchdowns and it wasn't going to cost
you fifty million.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I mean probably, This isn't hindsight. This is the stuff
we asked.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Even then, as good as JJ may end up being, yes,
it's still he's out there yet, and now you're learning.
Guess what happens now? Dan? You know you were talking
about missed by ten yards, and you know you hear
me talking about that sniper mentality of aims small, miss small,
where even your missus are on the golf course, and
that your missus are still playable. Some of his misses
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aren't playable, but he's not inaccurate yet. You start to
get to a point what happens when you start to
miss stuff like that? Then you go back and over analyze. Yeah,
it could just be the one play you didn't get
too wide a base, You overstride it because you're anticipated.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And the ball missed. Let's not make a mountain out
of a molehill.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Not that the losses are a mole hill, but when
it comes to mechanics, it's like, dude, you don't have
to make It's not a lifetime sentence to miss a
throw or two.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It happens. My question is how we can to overcome
the next roe. Just get it to him.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
We'll work on this six days, we prepare. The seventh
day we go play, so we can discuss this after.
I don't want all this stuff eating up on the sidelines.
You missed the thrown and I know it was, but
I can't keep living like that.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So for me, yeah, it's okay to admit.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
And I know it's hard for them, But who thought
JJ McCarthy was gonna be ready and go out and
do this. It's rare that you're the Strouds and Jayden daniels.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
That's not normal.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
What they did is rookies, So that's that is not normal.
What is normal is Jackson darts up and down. Is
JJ McCarthy win and then lose and throw a bunch
of picks.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
That's a veteran too. That's what's normal.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
And you feel like, oh my gosh, I made over
my head. Talked to veterans, you know, from eight min
zero and eleven to manning twenty eight picks. What did
we think was gonna happen, especially for a guy who
didn't throw forty times a game and has been a
game forty times a game in college and has been hurt.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I mean, I mean, unless you thought he dressed in
a phone booth already. It took that guy in Buffalo
quite a while to get to the point he's at now.
So I think.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
They overplayed the JJ's hand on a team that had
playoff aspiration is now reeling.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And that does not mean that JJ's not going to be.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
A streat player. I think he can if he uses
this properly. But what I do know, and I made
it look tough plenty of times, that the more overloaded
and cramped and more things you're thinking about as a
player prevent you from reacting. And this is a reactionary position.
And if you have to react and you have to adjust,
an adapt and adjust an adapt is removing the clutter
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from your mind. There's enough clutter without you adding it yourself. Yes,
the mistake is it is premature to think that JJ
McCarthy was going to win eleven or twelve games this year,
and the mistake is they put it all on him,
and now you're reeling because not just him, but he
is not playing.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Good football right now.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
But I think that he'll learn because he's a smart
and competitive guy and it'll serve him well down the road.
But as a Viking fan or you don't want to
hear that right now, because you've still got six games
to go or whatever it is to play and see
if you can salvage a way off birth did you
get going in a very difficult division and a difficult
opponent coming up?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Sunday afternoon, an NFL analyst you may know named Emmanuel Acho.
He had posted a video praising the late go ahead
touchdown pass that didn't hold up unfortunately because of the
long kickoff return in the late Bears field goal. So
Chris Carter, who you know well and who just joined
us on Monday, in fact, he was at the game
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on Sunday, he quoted the post, but then added did
you watch the first fifty nine minutes? And then he
had a thumbs down emoji, So at that point you
may have heard this. One of McCarthy's private coaches, Greg Holcombe,
responded with a kind of an obscene calling Carter a
bleeping clown. He has apologized for that, and I think
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since deleted the reply.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So here's what's interesting to me from your perspective.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I heard from some fans who said, you know, I
don't disagree completely with what cc said because he was
kind of stating the truth, But I don't like it
when it's a next player. You know, he's supposed to
be a little bit more understanding than that. And the
only reason he do that is because he went to
Ohio State and JJ's a Michigan guy, so he liked
pion on it is it is it considered sort of
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against the unwritten rules for a player, a former player,
Hall of Fame player in this case, to offer that
that kind of opinion, which was which was tough.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
In the moment. I thought it was accurate, but was
pretty tough.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Now Carter was with us with I think was very
nuanced and very balanced in what he had to say
about McCarthy beyond that one comment.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
But what do you think, what rules do you think
should apply?
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Well, I'm looking at it from a player standpoint, former
players standpoint, and a broadcaster stat right, and see it
for the fans point if you listen, I know Viking
fans and Bears fans in their Chicago with their former players.
No matter what city you go in, they want you
to do nothing but tell him how good they are.
But do you really do you really did actually point
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out something that was wrong? The answer is no, are sensitivity? Well,
you're a former player, and you're a former Viking. I
don't know about the michigan O house, the.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Thing asked me. I'm an SC guy. I know we're
in the Big ten.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I'm as critical of my former team as anybody is,
and I played for at SC for all those years.
So to me, if you're fair without making it personal,
why should we be met. We pay Chris Carter when
he's on TV or what I'm doing my show to
be and then when we don't give the truth, there's
some people who are well, I can't trust you, lose
credibility if you don't. So he's got his career. So
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if you want the truth, I'll give you the truth.
Chris is right. JJ wasn't very good for fifty nine minutes,
but he came in big at the end, and they
didn't get a good special teams playing get a stop.
The other side, I understand, is a personal quarterback trader.
Do you want everybody to say great things about your quarterback?
In Holcomb's case, and rightfully so, I don't think we
were anybody was criticizing the private trainer because obviously he's
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done well with JJ, because JJ's been successful at every level.
So I get that too, but I just don't make it.
I'm not going at a guy who criticized my team
because he was a former player and a former player
for that very team that's got him in the Hall
of Fame. Chris's job is to be honest. I come
on here every week. While I love JJ mccarth, they're
not going to rip this private qud. I don't know
what they do in their private sessions. I'm sure pretty
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good JJ's a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
But on the other.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Side of it is what do you want to hear?
Did you want to hear him say yeah, the guy's
been awesome? So everybody goes and say, what do you
mean he's been awesome? He's been good at times, he's
been bad at times, and he's been averaging between at times.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That means if he uses it right, I imagine J j.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
McCarthy's going to funnel all this and take it all
in and go do it and play really good football
down the road. Right now, he's still in the process.
It's a learning thing, and it's a learner. We expect
too much at a rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
We just do. So there's no written protocol that I
got to go to because I.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Played with the Chargers and tell your Herbert plays great
every week, you know, or as a four player. Now,
if I crossed the line say yeah, JJ didn't play well,
I wonder what his personal trainers coach. You know. You
know what I'm saying, that guy must su Yeah. Now
we're tread into Come on, man, you've got to be fair.
Just like if you said Chris dropped the ball, which
he didn't do very often career, that defines his whole
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career that he dropped the ball in a game when
he caught eight billion other ones on balls that were
thrown over his head and he still made it catch.
So we got to stop sensitivity. If you want honest opinion,
then then you're gonna get it.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Now.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
I think we can see through when a guy's made
it personal. I think Chris made it personal. He loves Minnesota,
and I understand that quarterback trainer is like, oh so
I'm covering the whole Damn, I'm in the media.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I trained quarterbacks, I played for Minnesota, and I played
in the league.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
But I also know how hard it is, because trust me,
I've been made it look hard at times. But I
don't think criticizing a guy properly, just like you compliment him,
as long as it's not personal, should be make people mad.
It's just a fact that maybe it helps somebody get better.
Chris knows football. I'm sure as private trainer knows football too,
so I like to think I know some football. So
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there's not one answer for all of it, but understanding
that it's okay to be critical because the first fifty
nine minutes really worked great football by JJ, and I
can tell you who knows that more than anybody him.
That's why he's going to be good. Self Self criticism
and self evaluation is your number one thing before any
coach opens his mouth, or any private trainer or any
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former player, because we're not in those meeting rooms, and
he can't get to this point without having some skill set.
There's just some things that need to be polished up.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
But I'm never backing off from my opinion on a guy.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
I'm on here to give you honest feelings, and if
those honest feelings hurt somebody else's feelings, they're just going
to have to get over it.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Does it does it? Does he? Does it? Do him
help or harm?
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Though?
Speaker 3 (44:42):
When okay, he had they had the Lions on J
tell about JJ McCarthy, They they they obviously have a
great performance, probably certainly the best performance a year against
the Lions, and I think it was after I think
it was that week.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Then it was we come to find out that.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
JJ refers to the player he becomes or wants to
be on Sunday as nine, that there's this alter ego,
and I don't doubt.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's maybe how he thinks.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
But I'm going, man, wait to wait to establish or
to build the myth until you've got a body of
work at this level.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You know where you can go down that road.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I just don't think he does himself any favors, even
if it's not intended as anything to say I've got this.
I mean, they're all Hall of Fame quarterbacks. They didn't
talk about alter egos on Sunday?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So does that? Does that?
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Does he doing himself any favors when he goes down
those road, that road before anything really has happened to
the good.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
Well, in a different case, he use it to that
guy who gives himself the self appointed nick name. Right, yes, yes,
like it's four games. I'm not talking about JJ, but
four games in his careers, they do. Nobody calls you
that you and then you expect to call you that,
and then when you struggle like.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
You're the one or the man, and then you throw
four picks, it's like, well, you were the man last week.
So of course when you do that stuff, whether even if.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
It motivates him great whatever whatever, you know, you know,
floats his boat to get going any of us, it
gets it, whatever that motivation is. I like the fact
the alter ego. If it's Hulk, great, but we expected
to play like folk. If it's nine, wherever you go,
no problem.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
But when you say that, you know, especially on social media,
is brutal and relentless.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
You open to yourself.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Up to criticism from everybody, and then you know, but
we don't need bore. I like the guy who's got
confidence in SA But here's what happens, Dan is eventually
we'll all do that for him, that alter egos kicking
ass to once you do and let us know and
kind of joke, Yeah, trying to get into my alter
ego where you know, this beast comes out great and
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then leave it and then we'll all say, man, where's that?
Speaker 4 (46:48):
All three? Let us tell you how great you are.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I've always just thought, you know, it's good to have
confidence and let people know that you're good, you're overcoming
it and find But I just think that now with
social media. Twenty years ago, nobody we'd have heard it
once and moved on, but now you'll get reminded of it,
good or bad along the way.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
So JJ's gonna learn. Man, he's a kid and we've
got to understand that.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
And I know he's an adult making money, but he's
still a kid when it comes to the infancy of
this game. But yes, when you, like any of us,
I've been there, you say something, you're like, oh my gosh,
I shouldn't have said that, because now and we all do,
and then you learn and you go back how he
handles it'll be fine, But yes, you open yourself up
good or bad to criticism or compliments when you're going
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to the truth of the matter is if you take
care of your business, which he will, we'll all do
all the great stuff for you. We'll all do all
the talking for you, like we all intend to do.
And I think like Viking fans plan and I can
tell you this, with the commitment the Vikings made to
JJ McCarthy, they're not turning.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
On him anytime soon because they gave up.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
A pro bowler and a guy who's playing like a
pro bowler of the Giants, two guys, yes, that are
killing it right now, that went through the same stuff
JJ's go right now. They were obliterated by their people.
They were obliterated by meeting some of their home crowd.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Literally.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
There are compliments that he's young, but they went through
getting kicked in the teeth. And now, look, JJ's got
some toughness, and that alter Eagle's going to have to
be tough because they face another good defense this week
and it's going to be a challenge and he's got
to get after it, and I would fully expect it
along the way, he's going to look back and say
my rookie year, which rookie year, the injury and then
his second year were the greatest thing that happened to
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me because I learned a great deal. Just remove the clutter,
and you don't need our approval or our validation. Yet
when we're asked our jobs to give it, whether people
like it or not.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Kill the clutter. I think is the is the mantra
from Sean Salisby today.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
I'm very late. We got one minute left.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
If you can get this in quick, what are the
chances the Vikings can can can beat the Packers on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Well, the chance exists because I've seen every week week
is adding all the states, so it happens every week. Listen,
if they both play their best, the Packers are the
better team right now. JJ's going to have to have
an out of body experience.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
Dad. That doesn't mean clutter it up.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Just deliver the ball to the open guy, get through
it and play a little When I say street yard,
play a little relaxed street yard in your mind, not
where you're just running helter skelter all just play. Just
play a little football like you did when you were
in the seventh grade with your buddies and let it rip.
But you're going to have to defend the whole field.
They've got a good quarterback. The key is keeping him
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up right where he doesn't have to, you know, bail
out of that pocket.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Soon you're going to get a vicious defense coming after him.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
But if they don't protect the football, they'll be in
trouble and he's going to have to convert a lot
of third downs and touchdowns in the red zone would
be a big thing.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
This week we.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Will say Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours because obviously
next Thursday is Thanksgiving, so you will be off.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
We will be off as well.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
So thanks again for all the insight and we will
chat in a couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
How's that sound.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Yes, I love it, And good luck to the Vikings,
and thanks for the great fans, and always thank you
for having me on. And I hope everybody has a
happy and healthy and safe Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Thanks my friend, be good you bet Sean Salisbury excellent
stuff from him.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
We'll finish with this.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Vike's taking a take, Vikings take a dive, JJ tries
to survive, Koces, jive Moss and Carter ain't dropping No.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Five. It's not bad. That's a nice veryation
This is YoY. While the kid quarterback keeps.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Rewiring neurological pathways, the kid goalie just keeps denying pathways
to the wild net.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Take that, Kevin Falmas.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Two minutes eleven seconds past the hour of three o'clock
Central Standard time, we welcome you back to a Thursday
edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on a well
not too cold, but rather overcast Thursday afternoon here in
the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
My name is Dan Barrero, Hockey Ambassador Guards.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He's the producer of the show, fresh off a trip
to Glenn Mason's old territory, Lawrence, Kansas, and we are
delighted that you are along for today's ride between now
and I'm presuming six o'clock tonight. Yes, sir, big kind
of a program change today to accommodate schedules. Russo Radio
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is going to join us tomorrow, and we needed somebody
to move to today, and that person, graciously indeed, is
Lavelle lavell E Neil the Third.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So he's five h two correct, Is that correct? You
got it?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Doctor Dan's inbox five thirty ish or in that vicinity.
In addition, we've got Sean Salisbury confirmed for three thirty tonight,
and Bill ghan, the while general manager, is scheduled to
join us probably about four to twenty two ish, twenty
five ish. Whatever we're going to do, Bill Garon will
be with us then, and we'll get caught up with
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him regarding his suddenly red hot Minnesota Wild hockey team.
I will fully admit that I will try to get
him going really on a goalie controversy, oh yeah, but
my heart won't be in it because, as we talked
about yesterday with Brett Blake Moore, there is there's no
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need to turn it into a who's actually number one?
In other words, there may be a time where that's
worthy conversation as we get much deeper into the season.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Now it's all for the good.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's all for the good, right because you've got you
came into this season feeling good about I think your
number one goalie and and not so good or a
little concerned about, well, where where's the kid waalst at,
where's he gonna when's he gonna start.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
In prospect picking it up?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it's the kind of his performance gives you if
it if it creates any sort of drama, it's the
kind of drama you live for. I've always felt that
the goaltender position is one of the most romantic in
all of sports.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You know, mythic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You can build myths around great goaltenders over the course
of a season, over the course of of of a
single game, right, sometimes a single period. And it ain't
a problem if you feel like you can go with
either of your goaltenders, especially the way the league has evolved,
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where generally speaking, it's not like the old days where
like Tony Esposito Caesar Moniago might start like eight seventy
five of eighty two. Those days I think are gone,
or you prefer for them to be gone the way
the league is up here. And the kid was very
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good again when he needed to be last night, right
they they eventually did score well, I shouldn't say earlier
in the game, they did score on him, which in
of itself might have been worthy of a commemorative print.
Right he had the minutes one hundred and seventy five
minutes wow, and twelve seconds ninety five consecutive saves.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's awfully good, by the.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Way, for the record twenty two minutes, shy of the
franchise record set by karda hazard A guess o, guy, Yeah, dude,
I'm a regular on the bumper of bush.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That's just like the one goalie I could name off
the top of my head because of that.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And it worked, and it absolutely worked, and you know eventually, well, look,
we've been giving up like one two goals a game
for a while. The kid gave up more than that.
But by all accounts, by all accounts, he's the reason
you steal the game. That for much of it, And
as I said, we'll talk about a lot of this
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with Bill Garrin.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
For really much of the puck.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Game, shall we say we did not have the better
end of the.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Action at all.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That's the beauty of the position and the beauty of
what a goaltender can do to change the game. You
never apologize for a goaltender stealing a game. It's I
would say, not a luxury. It's a requirement if you're
going to be a team that eventually has a ship
chair and a chance to dare I actually say it
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get out of round number one? And in his case, again,
there was I don't think anybody was giving up on him,
but there was a lot of JJ McCarthyism going on
with him, like, oh, man is he is? He is,
he's awfully highly toutored, but we're not seeing the returns
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on it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Dan Orlowski was doing videos about his mechanics. That's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, well his bass.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Everybody knows, his balance was screwed up, his shoulder, eyes knows,
the rest of his eyes feet nice.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I did like the did you see the wall?
By the way, is it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Officially wall I've heard Walstead or Volstead? What's what's correct?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't know, but we're going with great Wall of
Saint Paul, so I think it has to be Wallstead.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh and then in that case it probably that's how.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
People are going with. Here's I love the quote that
he had. You know, we're getting a lot of philosoph
from our kid quarterback. Yes, JJ McCarthy, Yes we are so.
I I kind of like this philosophy. And apparently as
this as the our favorite writers from the athletic laid out.
(06:14):
Uh whilst that was spending some time scrolling TikTok, it's
important And here's the quote he saw.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I don't know how it was presented if.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
There were no goals scored in hockey, yes, no one
would play it. He said that last night to Joe O'Donnell.
I was listening to the post time, and I'm glad
you brought that up. I thought it was the greatest
quote I've ever heard. It's such a good quote.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And I didn't even have to rewire my you know,
my neurological pathway to understand it exactly. And and his
response to it was that kind of made me think
a little bit like, Okay, there's supposed to be goals
in hockey, but then it's my job to not make
them happen exactly. It was so good, absolutely well played.
And you'll notice it was played after another standing performance,
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in this case a four to three shootout win over
the Carolina Hurricanes, where he blanked the opposition in the
shootout period with some ridiculous Yes. Well, he also wasn't
didn't he have to save a breakaway in the overtime?
He did, Yes, because he gave up a late goal
to tie it, but that he more than redeemed himself
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with the way he.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Finished the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So if you look at sort of the position that
this team is in, Now the surge that has taken place,
We've talked about it for several days. It starts with
better goaltending, and it starts with very good defense, and
suddenly we're not giving up four or five, you know, three, four, five,
six goals a game, right, All that matters. By the way,
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there's another interesting stat that I had missed that last
night was the tenth consecutive game in which the Wild
scored first.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's helpful, and it is helpful.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
In fact, it's, according to Russo, the last team to
score first in more than ten games in a row
with the Lanch going back to twenty twenty one, twenty two. Now,
again they blew the lead in this one, but ultimately
they were able to save it. And you know, I
think we find in any sport scoring first doesn't guarantee
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you a victory, but it does put you in very
good stead in a very good position. So the surge
we are seeing in the standings, so to speak, because
it's hard to move up, I know the way the
standings are setup in the NHL. But the surge we're
seeing in terms of victories right points, Suddenly we're starting
to get consistently get two points or at least one.
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All of that starts with very good defense, better defense,
and better goaltending as well. And when they started the season,
what did we think the percent between the two goaltenders
was likely to be. I would think seventy thirty, sixty five,
thirty five. I think seventy thirty, maybe even seventy five
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to twenty five defend again, depending on.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But that's not ideal because they just signed Gus Bust too, right,
they gave an extension.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
They believe in them exactly it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Now, I think the more you see you're saying, well,
maybe it's going to be fifty to fifty, or maybe
it's going to be fifty five to forty five, whatever
the case may be, that's always to the better. Because
we've talked about this how many times with Luigi. There
is other than quarterback. There is no other position I
don't believe is important in any major sport as goaltender. Right,
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I just don't think anything it matches up to it.
And we see that last night evidence of that, where
you go, well, we should be down several goals in
this game. Now, the comeback to that is, of course
you want to play better. You do not want to
send out the message it was okay the way you played,
but it's hockey and and so good teams have goaltender
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steel games all of the time. It's a wonderful attribute
to have, and if you can get, if you can
nurture the notion that you've got two goaltenders going pretty
good and you can maybe for a while goal with
one who's especially hot but not fear then going back
to the other one, that's all good. And that's not
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a place we felt this team was headed at the
goaltender position when the season began. Now again, we got
a long way to go. Things change for you day too,
but the indications are are very good and he has
been outstanding for sure. The only time the goalie controversy
has come up where it's been bad is when you
have a goalie that's playing better, but you play Marc
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Andre Flurry in Game one of the playoffs, because he's
been there before. You can ring it up with garn again.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I mean you can, I don't.
They're in the town right where they became so closer
to Pittsburgh. But yeah, it was great. It was a
really long post game show by the way, it got
me almost all the way home from the airport to
my house. So I don't know if Falness was taking
liberties because it was after midnight.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Does Fallna say yesper valstat?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
He might.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm getting a lot of those yesper valstat. I feel
like that's what yes, spa valstat. But then how do
you do the nickname exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, well maybe we'll ask Bill Garrion. He would you
think he'd be an authority on that?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
If anybody would know, you think he would know? No
bonus bucks? Correct? Correct.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Let's come back and prepare for bottom of the hour
for our guys. Shawanee, I've got a couple of football
nuggets early as well, all right, Shaan Salthwick coming up
(12:02):
at the bottom of this hour. Bill Garren about halfway
through the four o'clock hour of the program, Lavell and
the Inbox in the five o'clock hour as well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I feel like I'm kind of lost in the wilderness
when it comes to the ongoing effort to rehabilitate JJ
McCarthy's quarterback image.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Every day but Sunday you know that, and it clearly.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You tell me, I mean It clearly doesn't bother everybody
as much as it does me, because I keep waking
up not intending to go back to it, and then
I find another observation, either from the player or the
head coach or somebody around the head coach, and I
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just I just shake my head. And because I honestly
believe we're in bilateral leg weakness territory here. It's a
good comparison in that, you know, by the way it
long term, it didn't damage Joe Maher that much because
he ended up as a first ballot Hall of Famer.
But as that contrivance was uttered that quote to describe
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whatever series of injuries he was dealing with at that
point were apparently about, there was a lot of eye
rolling because it just didn't make any sense, and it
didn't help. It really didn't help the player at that
point in a public sense, from an image standpoint, and
I continue to believe that the people around him are
not doing JJ McCarthy any favors. With some of the
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gibberish that we're hearing. I've said, even if some of
it's true, it sounds so other worldly, It sounds so
much like we're trying too hard that I actually think
on this occasion a Mike Zimmerized approach would be better,
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which would be a lot more tight lipped, excuse me,
and really not maybe giving away much of anything other
than well, he just needs to play better.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And now though.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
The problem is, I'm saying the people around him are
not doing any favors. Now he's speaking about these neurological pathways.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And then what was the one somebody sent me this?
Did you see this one? I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
New this is.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I got a lot of texts yesterday regarding the things
that were said by JJ and okay on behalf of
JJ yesterday, so I've seen most of these.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
This is from Ben Gesling. McCarthy said, when he's out
walking his dogs, he'll try to sneak in an extra
ten reps with his dropback and delivery footwork.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm just telling you I know. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
If you talk to ex players off the record, they're
rolling in their eyes too, not again because they think.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
He's done that, he can't get better. But it's the.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Old just just play, just get better, improve and then
we can talk about, you know, burnishing your image, making
it seem you know, like you've got your your legendary
whatever the case may be. I like somebody tweeted me
earlier and I like the way he put it. Uh,
(15:33):
this is from jan Jan the sports fan.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I had to jump out of the way of your
eyes rolling when you read about JJ rewiring neurological pathways
as a key to his development. What how many freaking
excuses will he koc make before the season is over?
He's learning, it ain't going well, say it, that's it
in a nutshell, It's okay to say he's learning.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, got a lot of things to improve on.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And don't say well, and don't say we're being presented
with learning opportunities or some fancification of it. Just say, yeah,
we've got to clean up some things. Speak English, that's it.
Speak football.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
In this case, cleaning up some things is actually better
than trying to articulate the things, if you're going to
articulate them the way they are, like.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
This is some new age lab expirit.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
He's playing quarterback in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And again, all it's.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Gonna take is some better performances, which may start as
soon as this week.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Who knows. Weird things have happened.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The whole world thinks the Vikings are going to get.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Killed in Green Bay. Yeah, you know how that goes.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Often That means the exact opposite will happen for whatever
the reason, right, because football's weird. The football gods work
in mysterious ways. I'm going to ask Sean about it.
I'll get his reaction to Salisbury as well. I mean,
I said yesterday, there's people mad at Chris Carter. You know,
I didn't know that one of McCarthy's personal private coaches
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had gone after Carter when we had him on.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Do you know about that?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So I asked him, Yesterda if he wanted to come
back on and he said no.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He said.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
The only quote I want for the record is who
is this guy? Yeah, which is you know, probably makes
some sense. But there's some people mad at Carter because
we're not really supposed to talk like that because he
used to be a member of the team.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Chris Carter with us. Were you on that day or
he was Monday?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I thought he was more than fair and he didn't
go scorre to Earth and he said yes, he said,
so you got to keep playing him, yep, And you
got to figure it out. He was concerned by some things,
there's no question about that. But I didn't think he
went over, you know, any sort of line. And I
think players who've played that that's that's what they're looking for.
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And just whatever those ten steps are, just do them correct.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Just do them. If they will get you to a
better place, that's great.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But laying it out the way you do all again,
it all it comes off as it isn't.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It doesn't come off as tweaking. It comes off.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
As a fundamental and complete change on how you do
your job. Which, again, if you believe it, then you
say to yourself, they were wrong about inserting him as
the starter from the start of this season.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They were wrong. I mean they just were.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
If it if he if you have to start a
or continue a revolution with him, and you know that
he didn't practice much last year, right, then to me,
what you're admitting or revealing in.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
A sort of in a strange sort of way, as.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
We did need to wait another year, we did need
to play this out even longer. If indeed the fundamental
elementary stuff you're talking about him needing to do better
or do completely differently than they ever did before.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
If you're that, if you still have that far to.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Go in the process, right, I'm going to defend them
in the explanations in this way. Our media jackals love
bringing up the process and the fundamental. They love pulling
at this thread.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
They do.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We've been I've been teasing all of them about it
basically for like the last month. You know, how do
you even in training camp you know the process?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Do you think it's because they love they they love
the detail?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is that it? Why do they think?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Why is there not any ability to say, really, that's
really what we're Is this really what we're I know
we asked, but is this what you want.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
To give us?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But they're also beat writers as opposed to like columnists.
They're looking for stories and explanations. So I'm defending all
sides there, that's true. But what I've left with this week,
and I know we have to break for Salisbury after
listening again to another week about base balance, body, brozemer, feet, knives, neuropathy,
whatever we're talking about here, I'm guessing Mahomes wasn't worried
about neuropath neurological pathways. Josh Allen, who we compare him
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to now, I'm guessing he wasn't worried about pathways. My
succinct reaction to everything I've heard specifically this week, especially
JJ saying they're basically reteaching him the entire position from
what he's learned as a fetus, all the way through
IMG Academy and the private coaches. And the other story
is Daniel Jones should be the starting quarterback there right now.
That's what I've learned for the week. They should have
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given him seventy million bucks and said it's your job
to or at least yeah, you can compete for the job. Yes,
we are, we are, We promise you. It's an open competition.
That's not close. That's what I've come away with. Well, yeah,
and I'm not giving up on JJ either. I believe
in development and obviously he needs it, and I'm not
saying he's a bust like so many are willing to
do right now.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I believe. I still believe in KOC.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But that sound like we got to he's they have
to rework almost everything he does so that he does
it right, non mechanically, he just does it out of habit,
And then that means you, guys and I'm sure they
would say, well, we didn't. We didn't know that he
was this had this far to go, but they should
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have and and and now we're left with the position
you're in where the season itself can't say it's going
to be wasted if you get experienced from him.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But that's very different than the problems. They're honest.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They thought that was gonna We're going to be among
the goals that they were going for this year. Real quick,
where did it go? This is rebuilding?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I had one other quick? They're coming in so fast?
Is the problem?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Oh, Zimer? This is from Tom Columbia Heights. Zimmer was
tight lipped. Didn't he rip all his quarterbacks and training
camp for being unvaccinated? I'd rather have short end to
the point answers than the word salad that koc is
giving us.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Would see the game.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Let's come back and get Sean Salisbury's view of the
JJ McCarthy dilemma and a name for next year that
is already being floated for Minnesota by, among others, your
guy Mike Florio.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's neck.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Sean Salisbury is rare and to go.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I apologize for a lousy clock management to getting him earlier,
because we like every minute we can get with Sean.
If you have questions or comments, and some of you
already have passed them along to us, the branch on
Brian Kfein text line is open at six four six
eighty six. You're the perfect person to get into this
with us and to answer this particular question because we're
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in it, you know, we're in the middle of it.
You're on the outside of it, and I think maybe
you can be a little bit more objective and so
before we explore what you're seeing in the JJ McCarthy performance,
I'm in the group that is in kind of eye
rolling mode Sean regarding the approach verbally publicly that the
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head coach and now even the QB that are taking
and that is, you know, reminding us that you know
feet and eyes, feet and eyes, and always telling them
about feet and eyes and bo what's the other one?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Base body based body, boased body.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
There's there are all these sayings that that are our
our attempts, I guess, Sean to sort of explain why
he's struggling that to me. The newest one, by the way,
was from JJ yesterday about he's rewiring his neurological pathways,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Going, man, that's too much to me. It comes off
like this is a lab experiment rather than just just
figure out.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
What habits you have to improve on and go do it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So are we making too much out of the approach
here or does it contribute to the notion that, my god,
this kid's not even close even if eventually he could
end up being a really good good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, and I think eventually, Dan, he is going to
be a good player.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I've stayed that on here. I think there's you know,
at the college level at accuracy. Didn't throw it a lot.
He's still in the infancy. He hasn't even played a
full season yet as a starting quarterback. So let's put
that aside because we're talking about now on exactly what.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Your question is.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
So I do no matter how I criticize a compliment,
I'm going to always be honest.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I'm not gonna send them this. I'm gonna tall.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I I think JJ McCarthy knows how to win, and
I think he's gonna be a good player.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
You've seen flashes real quick well in both.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Chicago games at the end of one and to get
him into this one and then the defense you.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Know, allowed him to go down and they lose the game.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But under duress in pressure situations, he's come through a
couple of times this year.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
But he's got a lot to learn. All right.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Now to your point question, I'm one hundred and eighty
degrees different from the way they're talking during the season.
Mechanics matter to me. I'm a when I teach and
train kids, I'm a mechanics fanatic. I'm not a robotics guy.
I can tell you this though. The things that they're
telling you, that's all off season stuff and lonely work.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
When you're reading a book and you're thinking about it.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
If you're jj and going through you see him like
in college, and I still think he does in the NFL.
He sits down and meditates before the game, right, and
that's great. All that to get in your zen fine,
too much clutter if this is what you're thinking about
during the season. Hence why we're having some trouble all
this base ball. I mean, we all have our slogans
we go to or stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I like base balance and load where you keep the
ball loaded. You got good based, good mouths. But if
I'm emphasizing that and constantly have that on my mind.
My number one goal is to remove clutter, not to
add to it. Right, And it looks to me like
he's playing with clutter. And I get all the jargon
of the motivational zig ziggler Tony Robbins motivational stuff get
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I do, and I understand that. But like anything, I've
said it here before, how many coaches do we know
constantly beating up mental and emotional and physical mechanics and
players during the season. Minimal that's done between your last
game and when you get to the next one. So
you're trying to I always compare golf in quarterbacking. I
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just do because there's a lot of parallels to the
mental approach. It's hard to play the position angry on
golf if you're angry and you're over gripping. Same thing
with football, now focused or irritated sometimes when you got
the ball and you got to make a first down running.
I just talking about your approach when everybody else the
middle linebacker can do that because he's flying around and
beating people up.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You've got twenty one other guys.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
You're dealing with defense, and your other ten on offense,
not SAMs you and really twenty two with you.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
So I'll try to remove clutter.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So all this stuff you're telling yourself sounds great in
a loud but Gatorade wasn't created during the season. It
was created in the off season, so you can drink
it during the season. Clutter removed. I know what I'm
going to I eat a bottle of water grape what
goes in? I don't know all the alkaline, but I
do know this, I gotta drink it to stay hydrid.
Same thing here, Why am I adding all this clutter?
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And to the media and fans worse than here.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Go what what I can't? They can't fathom it.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
And so when a guy drops back to pass, just
like they say read golf, I just if.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You've got more than three or four swing.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Thoughts on your three by five car, if they can't fit,
it's too many. So all this stuff is fine as
long as you're applying it with your mechanics. Because if
you're doing that during the season, how am I executing
a game plan and studying defenses?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
There's not enough hours in the day.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
So while I love the thought, I love the thought
between elimination time when your season's over and training camp
that's and then asking questions and.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I don't mind you're sitting around.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
You go in and have your meeting with your head
coach Kevin, and you say, hey, man, let's make sure
we stay focused on those things we've talked about. Great,
but I'm up in the media and I'm working on this,
working on this. How about right now, I'm at the
stage of the season, dude, just go make me a play.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Julet's get it done. Execute, Simplify in your own mind.
I'm not adding clutter. It's tough enough to succeed against
good teams and bad teams, let alone, when you're carrying
around the burden of a Santa Claus bag full of
tricks in your mind that you're trying to execute, can't
do it. And so I get he's young, he's still
doing it. He benefited from that. But remember when he
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left Michigan won a national title. He was the veteran
who'd been in a system for a while. Now he's
new in the system, hasn't even played a full season.
I don't want to overload with all the stuff you
may have learned at your academy in high school.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
That'll be fine in the off season. I need your
mind clear.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
I'd rather have him come back to me and say,
you know, I'm gonna do within the structure of this offense.
I'm gonna go like I'm playing in my Thanksgiving Day
Turkey Bowl with my buddies, like we did in high school.
I'm gonna let the damn thing rip, and I'm gonna
cut it loose. What's happened in the last two minutes
of a game, Dan, Normally, while they may be sending
it in in a two minute drill and you're playing fast,
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you're not thinking. That's why you see a lot of success.
Sometimes defenses will zone it up and give you a
chance to get completions. But as a quarterback, always liked
it because you know what You're just the game's in
your hands. Okay, call two plays before we come out. Boom,
hit the screen, come back, next play, hit it.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
You look over. They may be telling you, but coaches
are usually playing it our day.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Wen we knew the five or six plays we were
going to never cross over a formation. When you started
in a right formation, stay in a right formation, and
then you're execute, because then you're just becoming a football player.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
But man, you're carrying.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Around that hulebrid And look at his success in these
two Chicago games where he's been able to at the
end because now he's just going back to what he
knows instead of overloading his mind. And I just you
just can't do it. You'll blow a gasket. It's like
your internet's going to go out because eight billion people
are on it. So get rid of that. We'll deal
with that in the offseason. I'm just as soon have
you say, you know what, it's time for me to
go be a damn football player, because that's what he
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is and he'll be good, But get.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Rid of the clutter. Now. I'd rather at this stage
of the season eliminate some of these things.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Let's execute what you do well and give our team
a chance, because right now JJ McCarthy looks like a
guy who's overwhelmed in the majority of the game and
the majority of the season.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And like I said, I love his game. I think
he's going to be fine.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Right now, he looks like the biggest mistake that the
Vikings made was to let Sam Darnold walk, even regardless
of his game last week, Sam doing I'm just talking
to him.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
It looks to me.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
It looks to me like it's a guy who's got
too much on his mind and has tried too hard
to please all this and that instead of just going
and doing what JJ's always done. Go win games, man,
We'll deal with all the other stuff. Your mechanical sweep.
I play golf a lot, Dan, and I'm going to
tell you, And you know you go up and down
like everything, And I'm going to tell you right now,
every time I go get a lesson and then go
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right to the golf course. Do you want to know
how well I play, I've got zero. It's like the
first time I've ever played, because okay, hand grip and
mix sure square the club and your takeaway and your tempo.
And by the time he done it, even if you
hit a good shot, you assume it's a bad one
because like my mind's overloaded. So I would assume more
simplicity and we'll do all the psychological Tony Robbins stuff
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in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Let me ask you to translate this part of a
quote from yesterday. He said, coming in here, I was
taught how to play quarterback in a very different way,
and that's expected going into the league, going to any
new team, any new system. But the end of the day,
it was really just the injuries that I felt like
took away all those reps to make those a habit
and make them concrete. So when he talks about this
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is all very new playing, I'm being taught to play
quarterback in a very different way.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
What do you think he's referring to there, Well.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I think he's got to be referring to the way
it was taught in their meeting room or had you
know harvort O'Connell. Now, there is a big difference in
the way they go about their business, right, I mean,
as far as one's in a different.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Jim is Jim has always coached the kind of the
way he played.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
We're gonna get under center, we're going to run play action,
and we're going to play this way. Kevin, Well, we've
seen it in their result. It feels like their past
first run second, right, Jim has always been run first,
past second, play action, playing the strength. So regardless, he
didn't say in there that I wasn't coached right at
either place, being coached different, of course you are, and
you'll be coached different every time a new coach or
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you go somewhere else, or if having left or a
new quarterback coach gets this one gets a job or whatever,
You're going to be coached a little bit different. The
Verbiagill change. Maybe somebody will teach different mechanics. But a
curl still a curl, a dig route still.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
A dig route.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
There's only eleven guys, how we identify them as usually
the same?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Will, Sam and Mike.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
So the basis of football and between one hundred yards
the stripes and fifty two and a third, whatever it
is wide, it's still football. So it tells me even
with this answer, did he still grabbing some of the
past stuff bringing it with him here and saying, well,
I have coach different?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yes? And guess who else is coached different?
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Caleb Williams's coach different, Ben Johnson's don't like something he
may have seen, even though Lincoln Riley and Ben Johnson
got mad scientists written all over. The mechanics may be different,
but it's still football. He's got to know.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And I don't mean this disrespectful to his coach at all,
but I tell this to anybody. You got to know,
garbage in, garbage out.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Good stuff in. I'm not saying what he's teaching garbage.
You got to know what to come in right and
bring in and keep in and what to kind of
let go in one ear and out the other, so
you don't overload your mind with your ass. Basically you
don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
So that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
I mean, so coach different the NFL, and it moves faster,
it just does. It does, and then the windows close quicker,
so if you're not on time. So the offense is
far different than what Jim was running in college.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So I get it.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Completely different, doesn't mean wrong, but different. There is an adjustment.
And he's right about the reps. The injuries have gotten
the way of consistent practice and game reps. But to
me it feels, looks and sounds like that over analyzation
and can wear you down. Man. You get rid of
the numbers, give me one, get us in the end zone,
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and find a way to get the second one, which
is a win.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
But if indeed the head coach is accurate in terms
of the habits that he believes are not to use
his terms settled in concrete, yet are as important, as
Koc seems to say, to be accurate, in other words,
to not throwing the ball you know, ten feet over
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JJ's head on that short route to the right side
that actually led to a bunch of booze. I come
away from that saying they did miscalculate then on how
ready he was. You can't blame him for being heard
and not even able to practice much of last year.
But if that's the case and he is still needs
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to be broken down to be built back up fundamentally
to the degree that these quotes seem to indicate, then
aren't you admitting that we jumped the gun man. I'm
thinking that we could hand them the ball and really
try to keep this thing together and in the same
year try to be as good a contender as we can.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
We wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
You're on correct.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
What was our biggest comment when we went last year
coming into this year the off season, Sam, We've had
these conversations and when they decided and we talked about this,
so could you keep Sam Donald with the you know,
the franchise down all the things we discussed last year,
and we said, and the biggest thing that's going to
face is do they have the guts to turn.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
It over to a guy who's an as it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
A rookie that is coming up, not just a rookie,
but a rookie who has injured the entire year, has
got no reps. Are you willing to part with everything
and just turn the whole He hand him the Ferrari now,
and here's the keys, dude, But you don't want to
turn a Ferrari into a penta. Not that there's anything
wrong with pentos, but I don't want an AMC pacer.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I had one of those, so I don't want one.
But they don't move this slick and as fast.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
But it was a risk, and you were going to
have a step back regardless of how you felt about
it coming out. Because I feel highly about him too.
I love that they drafted him. It didn't mean you
had to force feed it. Because we're always everything is
such changing gratification, And I know Kevin saw something at Michigan.
This ain't Michigan, I thought too. I also know he
sees something in the kid's attitude and of the way
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that people gravitate to I get it, but it's still
got to get under center and play sixty five plays
a game, and if it's still not in concrete, as
JJ says, and there's still it's a work in progress.
Couldn't that a work in progress be brought along a
tad slower when you had a Pro Bowl quarterback, We
through thirty plus touchdowns and it wasn't going to cost
you fifty million.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I mean probably, This isn't hindsight. This is the stuff
we asked.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Even then, as good as JJ may end up being, yes,
it's still he's out there yet, and now you're learning.
Guess what happens now? Dan? You know you were talking
about missed by ten yards, and you know you hear
me talking about that sniper mentality of aims small, miss small,
where even your missus are on the golf course, and
that your missus are still playable. Some of his misses
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aren't playable, but he's not inaccurate yet. You start to
get to a point what happens when you start to
miss stuff like that? Then you go back and over analyze. Yeah,
it could just be the one play you didn't get
too wide a base, You overstride it because you're anticipated.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And the ball missed. Let's not make a mountain out
of a molehill.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Not that the losses are a mole hill, but when
it comes to mechanics, it's like, dude, you don't have
to make It's not a lifetime sentence to miss a
throw or two.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
It happens. My question is how we can to overcome
the next roe. Just get it to him.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
We'll work on this six days, we prepare. The seventh
day we go play, so we can discuss this after.
I don't want all this stuff eating up on the sidelines.
You missed the thrown and I know it was, but
I can't keep living like that.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
So for me, yeah, it's okay to admit.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
And I know it's hard for them, But who thought
JJ McCarthy was gonna be ready and go out and
do this. It's rare that you're the Strouds and Jayden daniels.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
That's not normal.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
What they did is rookies, So that's that is not normal.
What is normal is Jackson darts up and down. Is
JJ McCarthy win and then lose and throw a bunch
of picks.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
That's a veteran too. That's what's normal.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
And you feel like, oh my gosh, I made over
my head. Talked to veterans, you know, from eight min
zero and eleven to manning twenty eight picks. What did
we think was gonna happen, especially for a guy who
didn't throw forty times a game and has been a
game forty times a game in college and has been hurt.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I mean, I mean, unless you thought he dressed in
a phone booth already. It took that guy in Buffalo
quite a while to get to the point he's at now.
So I think.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
They overplayed the JJ's hand on a team that had
playoff aspiration is now reeling.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And that does not mean that JJ's not going to be.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
A streat player. I think he can if he uses
this properly. But what I do know, and I made
it look tough plenty of times, that the more overloaded
and cramped and more things you're thinking about as a
player prevent you from reacting. And this is a reactionary position.
And if you have to react and you have to adjust,
an adapt and adjust an adapt is removing the clutter
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from your mind. There's enough clutter without you adding it yourself. Yes,
the mistake is it is premature to think that JJ
McCarthy was going to win eleven or twelve games this year,
and the mistake is they put it all on him,
and now you're reeling because not just him, but he
is not playing.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Good football right now.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
But I think that he'll learn because he's a smart
and competitive guy and it'll serve him well down the road.
But as a Viking fan or you don't want to
hear that right now, because you've still got six games
to go or whatever it is to play and see
if you can salvage a way off birth did you
get going in a very difficult division and a difficult
opponent coming up?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Sunday afternoon, an NFL analyst you may know named Emmanuel Acho.
He had posted a video praising the late go ahead
touchdown pass that didn't hold up unfortunately because of the
long kickoff return in the late Bears field goal. So
Chris Carter, who you know well and who just joined
us on Monday, in fact, he was at the game
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on Sunday, he quoted the post, but then added did
you watch the first fifty nine minutes? And then he
had a thumbs down emoji, So at that point you
may have heard this. One of McCarthy's private coaches, Greg Holcombe,
responded with a kind of an obscene calling Carter a
bleeping clown. He has apologized for that, and I think
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since deleted the reply.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So here's what's interesting to me from your perspective.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I heard from some fans who said, you know, I
don't disagree completely with what cc said because he was
kind of stating the truth, But I don't like it
when it's a next player. You know, he's supposed to
be a little bit more understanding than that. And the
only reason he do that is because he went to
Ohio State and JJ's a Michigan guy, so he liked
pion on it is it is it considered sort of
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against the unwritten rules for a player, a former player,
Hall of Fame player in this case, to offer that
that kind of opinion, which was which was tough.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
In the moment. I thought it was accurate, but was
pretty tough.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Now Carter was with us with I think was very
nuanced and very balanced in what he had to say
about McCarthy beyond that one comment.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
But what do you think, what rules do you think
should apply?
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Well, I'm looking at it from a player standpoint, former
players standpoint, and a broadcaster stat right, and see it
for the fans point if you listen, I know Viking
fans and Bears fans in their Chicago with their former players.
No matter what city you go in, they want you
to do nothing but tell him how good they are.
But do you really do you really did actually point
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out something that was wrong? The answer is no, are sensitivity? Well,
you're a former player, and you're a former Viking. I
don't know about the michigan O house, the.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Thing asked me. I'm an SC guy. I know we're
in the Big ten.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I'm as critical of my former team as anybody is,
and I played for at SC for all those years.
So to me, if you're fair without making it personal,
why should we be met. We pay Chris Carter when
he's on TV or what I'm doing my show to
be and then when we don't give the truth, there's
some people who are well, I can't trust you, lose
credibility if you don't. So he's got his career. So
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if you want the truth, I'll give you the truth.
Chris is right. JJ wasn't very good for fifty nine minutes,
but he came in big at the end, and they
didn't get a good special teams playing get a stop.
The other side, I understand, is a personal quarterback trader.
Do you want everybody to say great things about your quarterback?
In Holcomb's case, and rightfully so, I don't think we
were anybody was criticizing the private trainer because obviously he's
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done well with JJ, because JJ's been successful at every level.
So I get that too, but I just don't make it.
I'm not going at a guy who criticized my team
because he was a former player and a former player
for that very team that's got him in the Hall
of Fame. Chris's job is to be honest. I come
on here every week. While I love JJ mccarth, they're
not going to rip this private qud. I don't know
what they do in their private sessions. I'm sure pretty
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good JJ's a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
But on the other.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Side of it is what do you want to hear?
Did you want to hear him say yeah, the guy's
been awesome? So everybody goes and say, what do you
mean he's been awesome? He's been good at times, he's
been bad at times, and he's been averaging between at times.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That means if he uses it right, I imagine J j.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
McCarthy's going to funnel all this and take it all
in and go do it and play really good football
down the road. Right now, he's still in the process.
It's a learning thing, and it's a learner. We expect
too much at a rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
We just do. So there's no written protocol that I
got to go to because I.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Played with the Chargers and tell your Herbert plays great
every week, you know, or as a four player. Now,
if I crossed the line say yeah, JJ didn't play well,
I wonder what his personal trainers coach. You know. You
know what I'm saying, that guy must su Yeah. Now
we're tread into Come on, man, you've got to be fair.
Just like if you said Chris dropped the ball, which
he didn't do very often career, that defines his whole
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career that he dropped the ball in a game when
he caught eight billion other ones on balls that were
thrown over his head and he still made it catch.
So we got to stop sensitivity. If you want honest opinion,
then then you're gonna get it.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Now.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
I think we can see through when a guy's made
it personal. I think Chris made it personal. He loves Minnesota,
and I understand that quarterback trainer is like, oh so
I'm covering the whole Damn, I'm in the media.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I trained quarterbacks, I played for Minnesota, and I played
in the league.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
But I also know how hard it is, because trust me,
I've been made it look hard at times. But I
don't think criticizing a guy properly, just like you compliment him,
as long as it's not personal, should be make people mad.
It's just a fact that maybe it helps somebody get better.
Chris knows football. I'm sure as private trainer knows football too,
so I like to think I know some football. So
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there's not one answer for all of it, but understanding
that it's okay to be critical because the first fifty
nine minutes really worked great football by JJ, and I
can tell you who knows that more than anybody him.
That's why he's going to be good. Self Self criticism
and self evaluation is your number one thing before any
coach opens his mouth, or any private trainer or any
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former player, because we're not in those meeting rooms, and
he can't get to this point without having some skill set.
There's just some things that need to be polished up.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
But I'm never backing off from my opinion on a guy.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
I'm on here to give you honest feelings, and if
those honest feelings hurt somebody else's feelings, they're just going
to have to get over it.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Does it does it? Does he? Does it? Do him
help or harm?
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Though?
Speaker 3 (44:42):
When okay, he had they had the Lions on J
tell about JJ McCarthy, They they they obviously have a
great performance, probably certainly the best performance a year against
the Lions, and I think it was after I think
it was that week.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Then it was we come to find out that.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
JJ refers to the player he becomes or wants to
be on Sunday as nine, that there's this alter ego,
and I don't doubt.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's maybe how he thinks.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
But I'm going, man, wait to wait to establish or
to build the myth until you've got a body of
work at this level.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You know where you can go down that road.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I just don't think he does himself any favors, even
if it's not intended as anything to say I've got this.
I mean, they're all Hall of Fame quarterbacks. They didn't
talk about alter egos on Sunday?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So does that? Does that?
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Does he doing himself any favors when he goes down
those road, that road before anything really has happened to
the good.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
Well, in a different case, he use it to that
guy who gives himself the self appointed nick name. Right, yes, yes,
like it's four games. I'm not talking about JJ, but
four games in his careers, they do. Nobody calls you
that you and then you expect to call you that,
and then when you struggle like.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
You're the one or the man, and then you throw
four picks, it's like, well, you were the man last week.
So of course when you do that stuff, whether even if.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
It motivates him great whatever whatever, you know, you know,
floats his boat to get going any of us, it
gets it, whatever that motivation is. I like the fact
the alter ego. If it's Hulk, great, but we expected
to play like folk. If it's nine, wherever you go,
no problem.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
But when you say that, you know, especially on social media,
is brutal and relentless.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
You open to yourself.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Up to criticism from everybody, and then you know, but
we don't need bore. I like the guy who's got
confidence in SA But here's what happens, Dan is eventually
we'll all do that for him, that alter egos kicking
ass to once you do and let us know and
kind of joke, Yeah, trying to get into my alter
ego where you know, this beast comes out great and
(46:45):
then leave it and then we'll all say, man, where's that?
Speaker 4 (46:48):
All three? Let us tell you how great you are.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I've always just thought, you know, it's good to have
confidence and let people know that you're good, you're overcoming
it and find But I just think that now with
social media. Twenty years ago, nobody we'd have heard it
once and moved on, but now you'll get reminded of it,
good or bad along the way.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
So JJ's gonna learn. Man, he's a kid and we've
got to understand that.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
And I know he's an adult making money, but he's
still a kid when it comes to the infancy of
this game. But yes, when you, like any of us,
I've been there, you say something, you're like, oh my gosh,
I shouldn't have said that, because now and we all do,
and then you learn and you go back how he
handles it'll be fine, But yes, you open yourself up
good or bad to criticism or compliments when you're going
(47:27):
to the truth of the matter is if you take
care of your business, which he will, we'll all do
all the great stuff for you. We'll all do all
the talking for you, like we all intend to do.
And I think like Viking fans plan and I can
tell you this, with the commitment the Vikings made to
JJ McCarthy, they're not turning.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
On him anytime soon because they gave up.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
A pro bowler and a guy who's playing like a
pro bowler of the Giants, two guys, yes, that are
killing it right now, that went through the same stuff
JJ's go right now. They were obliterated by their people.
They were obliterated by meeting some of their home crowd.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Literally.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
There are compliments that he's young, but they went through
getting kicked in the teeth. And now, look, JJ's got
some toughness, and that alter Eagle's going to have to
be tough because they face another good defense this week
and it's going to be a challenge and he's got
to get after it, and I would fully expect it
along the way, he's going to look back and say
my rookie year, which rookie year, the injury and then
his second year were the greatest thing that happened to
(48:23):
me because I learned a great deal. Just remove the clutter,
and you don't need our approval or our validation. Yet
when we're asked our jobs to give it, whether people
like it or not.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Kill the clutter. I think is the is the mantra
from Sean Salisby today.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
I'm very late. We got one minute left.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
If you can get this in quick, what are the
chances the Vikings can can can beat the Packers on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Well, the chance exists because I've seen every week week
is adding all the states, so it happens every week. Listen,
if they both play their best, the Packers are the
better team right now. JJ's going to have to have
an out of body experience.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
Dad. That doesn't mean clutter it up.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Just deliver the ball to the open guy, get through
it and play a little When I say street yard,
play a little relaxed street yard in your mind, not
where you're just running helter skelter all just play. Just
play a little football like you did when you were
in the seventh grade with your buddies and let it rip.
But you're going to have to defend the whole field.
They've got a good quarterback. The key is keeping him
(49:20):
up right where he doesn't have to, you know, bail
out of that pocket.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Soon you're going to get a vicious defense coming after him.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
But if they don't protect the football, they'll be in
trouble and he's going to have to convert a lot
of third downs and touchdowns in the red zone would
be a big thing.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
This week we.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Will say Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours because obviously
next Thursday is Thanksgiving, so you will be off.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
We will be off as well.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
So thanks again for all the insight and we will
chat in a couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
How's that sound.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Yes, I love it, And good luck to the Vikings,
and thanks for the great fans, and always thank you
for having me on. And I hope everybody has a
happy and healthy and safe Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Thanks my friend, be good you bet Sean Salisbury excellent
stuff from him.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
We'll finish with this.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Vike's taking a take, Vikings take a dive, JJ tries
to survive, Koces, jive Moss and Carter ain't dropping No.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Five. It's not bad. That's a nice veryation
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