October 21, 2025 • 45 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show explaining why a Wolves Reality Show would have been incredible with some wild details that Pablo Torre reported today about the ownership dispute. ESPN's Kevin Seifert makes his weekly appearance with his thoughts on Carson Wentz getting another game at quarterback and a Chargers preview.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Miss your it could have been one hell of a
reality show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Leader fan Fan Radio Network Stories a Stadium, Good can
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
A N dot Com one minute and forty six seconds
past the hour of three o'clock Central daylight time.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It is a Tuesday edition of the Bumper to Bumper
Program on a rather moist, dark chili weekday afternoon here
in the twin cities that we affectionately referred to as
Minneapolis and Saint Lewis Park. My name is Dan Barrero,
the host of the program guards. He produces the show,
and we are going. I think you reminded me yesterday
(00:44):
the distance today six thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, we got we got a man up today, one day.
It's the only day this week we got a nut up.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is that what you're saying? I think Friday is too,
oh Friday as well. Yeah, but I'll be gone Friday. Yeah,
that's on you care You'll be on your way to
Iowa City.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I will be gunbell tight. You really are you driving?
Are you bussing? Are you flying? Both? Really? Both lying
down there all busting back, busting back.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, I'm teams busting both ways. I see I'm doing
some other things. You're flying one way, then busting back
with them. Yeah, or I got some family going to
the game. Comminator plains, trains and automobiles. It's that time,
Bradshaw and Brian Kafan text line is open and it
is the number, as most of you know by now,
is six four six eight six. The National Basketball Association
(01:34):
season opens tonight, not with the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Wolves open of course.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Tomorrow night in Portland against the Trail Blazers.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The don't sleep on the trail Blazers.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah we.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Uh And then what we go to La Friday night Las. Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Home opener will be Sunday, Yes, Pacers against the Halliburton
Lass Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Don't leap on that me, Oh you can't.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Not the way they play Pacer culture, Rick Carlisle culture
exactly related. Remember the old Obi topping game that my
son and I went to last year top and looked
like fifty. He looked like a first team All NBA
player on that occasion.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
He was.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He was a good player for them. He is a
good player. I think he's stole back with him not
even sure we'll find out. We'll find out, yeah, one
way the other. That's where my son almost gave up
on the season because he had You know, he usually
goes to the good games, Yes, because that's those are
the games.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I go to.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yes, it's easier to say, hey, I'm going to target right,
you know, to watch Wolves Lakers if I can bring
the eleven year old. So he had seen like nine
losses in a row. Yeah, that's tough, and I'm like,
this is a get right game. Caliburn's place, nobody's playing.
We'll go watch the Pacers on a Monday, and then
they lose, lose. We almost lost him forever. That was
last season. It was going to be a new era.
By the way, Johnny Athletics is going to join us
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tomorrow to preview from Portland the Wolves from Dateline Portland, Oregon.
Did you see the Johnny Athletic Athletic prediction? Oh no,
I didn't seen it. I've I read his Anthony Edwards
piece to the way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I understand it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
He was all the folks who cover the NBA for
the Athletic and specialized with his spific a specific team
we're asked to offer up their boldest prediction.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Johnny took him seriously.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Johnny is predicting your Minnesota Timberwolves will be hoisting the
Lombardi Troy Trophy down First Avenue. He went all away
with it all the way with Johnny K. Wow, yeah
about that. Yeah, I'm not gonna look it up. He's
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lost himself in ant's eye. We know that I do
have an NBA story, you know, because it's the start
of the season. We've got to kick it off, even
if the Wolves aren't playing till tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I didn't think I.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Was gonna have to kick it off with this particular story.
That honestly makes me sad in a way that what
we're about to hear just a taste of, was not
chronicled month after month in a way that we could
have had one of the best sports reality shows originate
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right here in Minneapolis, Minnesota. And it's not even close
how good it might have been. What am I talking about? Well,
some of you may know about this, some of you
might not. Your guy Pablo Torre, who suddenly is on
the scene on every big story finding out a lot
of that's his podcast, that's what's called right Pablo Tory
finds out Yes, well, he found out that the winners
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was just say the loser in the Minnesota Timber was
ownership battle. Glenn Taylor had some unique ways that he
tried to go about convincing the powers that be, I'm assuming,
including the arbitration panel which way they should rule.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
In favor of Taylor or in favor of Mark LORII
and Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I think this is about a three minute two and
a half minute snippet. It's him with two of his
companions who I don't know. I apologize, Is that true?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Comedian? Yes? So three of them oblo.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Obviously, Pablo is starting it with laying out exactly what
he has gotten a hold of and how you really
can't make it up.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
What happens here took place in a closed door, secret,
private arbitration sort of. The top line thing here that
has been communicated to me and has been talked about
by multiple league sources is that Glenn Taylor's legal strategy
was quote baffling, which is to say that something that
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Mark and Alex's legal team had discovered in discovery. Glenn Taylor,
in the months during this push and pull, had two
executives create what amounts to a burn book, as in
like a mean Girl style list, a list that has
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been described to me as numbered and seventy seven items long.
And this list of seventy seven things Glenn Taylor Slash
the Timberwolves hate about Mark Laurie and Alex Rodriguez was
communicating to the NBA and then to anyone who would listen.
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You can't approve these guys.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
They have terrible absorption. Some items on this are I'm
so happy right now.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Mark Laurie had dinner with Kevin Garnett and never told
me Alex Rodriguez did steroids. A Rod is a liar,
a Rod is a cheat. Aeron had the largest suspension
in MLB history. They get to seventy seven things, but
it's all along the lines of just like sir, does
anyone here remember that this is a hearing related to
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arbitration about a legal contract, a legal proceeding, legal proceeding. Yeah,
and none of this has anything to do with anything.
They pursue their strategy, which is, nonetheless, to bring out
a series of video exhibits, one of which is and
I cannot reiterate enough how much this is a part
of their strategy. The interview that a Rod did with
Katie Couric, for.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
The record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone,
or any other performance enhancing substance.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
No, none of it is particularly relevant in a legal
proceeding regarding the sale of an entirely unrelated franchise and sport.
So that happens, and the arbitrator is like, yeah, we're
gonna go with the centaur guy and the diapers guy.
And in reality what happens is there is a vote
where the NBA owners have to gather, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
A zoom call.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And something that's stunning to everybody is, of course, the
face that pops up with some questions, even at the
very end when it seems like this has all been decided,
because there on a and I'm told he was muted
and didn't know it and had to be unmuted to
then be told to know is Glenn Taylor. In fairness
to Glenn, if you could undo.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
That deal, you probably should.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
He only made he only made one point four billion
dollars profit.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
But it's not in fairness to him. He's soon who
agreed to it in the first place. He had no
idea how much his asset was worth. But this is
the thing that Glenn ends up negotiating the upshot of
this as Joe Mandy is celebrating and finally Glenn Taylor
is out of his life. Anthony Edwards and Anthony Junior
are free from this man. What Glenn Taylor negotiates at
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the finish line is to have Mark Laurie and Alex
Rodriguez purchased for him for the next decade four courtside
seats next to the team bench.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
As f Okay, there's a lot to chew on there.
We've got Kevin Sefer coming up next segment. But I
wanted to at least lay it out there to give
people a taste of it who would not watched the podcast.
This was sort of a highlight podcast the of the
I was intrigued. Yeah, okay, so you probably have more
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information than I do. I will say I'm not particularly
I'm more interested in what he gleaned what as a
good reporter, uh, Pablo Tory was able to get because
he's very good at that. Wasn't quite as amused by
or fascinated by all the laughter. Some of that got
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a little thick for me, a little bit patronizing, a
little bit too condescending in my view. But it does
fall under the classification of you really can't make it
up because in effect, this apparently was a seven seven
item mean girl style burn book. And look, you know, hey,
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Rod lied. I mean, there's no denying it, there's no
going back on it. It's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But the issue is.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That, of course, for arbitrators has nothing to do with
the agreement nothing. So how Glenn Taylor and his representatives
weren't aware of that, I don't know. Maybe it's out
of desperation, you're gonna, among other things, say well he
had dinner with one of the owners, had dinner with
Kevin Garnett, Like that's illegal or something.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't know. I'm just my lament. My regret is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
The two parties all along did not agree to let
the cameras in as this information and gossip was being
accumulated and discussed. I mean, can you imagine how juicy
it would have been to hear some of Glenn Taylor's conversation, yes,
with whoever the insiders were, and you had some ideas,
some theories on that putting together this so called burn book.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And same on the other side. I don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Likely to emerge as a reality show after the fact,
But man, how juicy might this have been? And it
does in fairness, I should say two things. One, it
comes off as a further sign of the utter desperation
the Glenn Taylor side, right that he realizes his regret.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He had.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Sale regret I think from the beginning, as we talked
about on this show for years, and he didn't know
what to do with it, and so he but what
he came up with is sad and really kind of
pathetic sounding. Also, as in the Fairness part, ad, it's
pretty clear this is all coming from one side for
shodd illegal by the way, because I don't it all
seems to be true if it was in Discovery there
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you know, there may be hopefully an opportunity for reporters
follow up and say.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
There are a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Let's how did the guys on the other side of
this handle that as well?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Because I don't think we know that yet.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
All I know is could have had the greatest sports
reality show in Minnesota sports history, and and and now
it's probably too late. What it does is confirm because
you were saying that at the time, wouldn't it be
great if we had cameras inside the arbitration room?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Remediation room. You were on it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You because you're right, and it confirms that it would
have been juicy and it would have been good. I
just think about all the times we pulled there. I
want to know some of the other ones on there,
even ones on the list.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
That's what I want to know. I want to know
all seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
There's seventy seven. I mean, that's pretty deep. The tickets
court side thing doesn't bother me at all. I remember
Louis was even in studio that no problem, and he said, yeah,
that happens all the time. Former executives and former owners
get their technic indictment. That to me was meaningless, meaningless.
I agree, but only because the one fan just wants
him out of the building completely, so they've bothered him.
And there's a lot of fans that are probably like
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that correct, which again I think is overblown.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I agree too.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I would love to see the actual list just to know,
because I'm sure there's some real stuff in there that
also wasn't all right. There's no question, but the stuff
that you're this stuff that you're laying out, it's like,
come on, man, what you really think you're gonna get
anywhere with this thing. And obviously the arbitrator said, these
may be bad guys or they a Rod lie, they
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might not have the money, but the fact is it's
got to be about the agreement, not what a Rod
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Speaker 3 (13:36):
I wonder if on the other side a Rod and
Laurie brought up the secret Joe Smith deal that huh
Glenn Taylor agreed to Huh. I wonder if they would
have gotten that deep on the other side of the table.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
We wanted to have a plan at the quarterback position,
and it'll be very similar to last week. Carson will start,
Max will be the backup, and JJ will be available
in the case of emergency as the third and like
I said, encouraged about where he's at and very much
looking forward to continuing his progression and hopefully having a
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chance to go next week. And we'll keep you guys
posted on that.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I know it's a very very funereal day for the
mc bobo's out there. The announcement official that JJ McCarthy
will not be starting when the Vikings take on the
Chargers on Thursday night in Los Angeles. Kevin Seffert waiting
patiently before we get to him to get his reaction
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to I think was the what was the obvious announcement?
If JJ's simply not physically ready. I want to mention
a couple of things. If you have ideas on what
some of the other items in the Glenn Taylor files
that we have not yet heard of hit the bratch
on Brian Cafe in text line as some of you
already have at his six four six eight six. In fact,
(15:01):
we already have a hashtag release the Tailor files. I
don't know if that will happened, but if you have ideas.
For example, Nate Tice suggests that number seventy two, not
yet known elsewhere, he did not like the lasagna. He
meaning a rod did not like the lasagna. This is
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the seventy seven eye to mean girl style burn book.
Apparently I should have been ready for the Nate line.
That's true, it's to change my best next time for sure.
So more on that later, and I have a hunch
Larry Mondelo guy, among others might want to get in
on all that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Fun as well.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Seaford joins us now via the Connecticut Water Systems Hotline.
Unfortunately had two tightest schedule to meet to see us
in studio today, but we've got.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Plenty to discuss.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Nevertheless, I assume, well, how important do you think it
was for the head coach to direct the message that
seemed to indicate if we're in a normal week here,
I might have by Friday a very different announcement.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I think that it's nothing else. It continues the narrative,
which I you know, I say.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Narrative as if that's a pejorative. It's not.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
It continues the narrative that he's making progress and that,
as we've talked about, and I think internally the Bidens
have talked about as well. They had this two weeks
of wiggle room before they really had to face any
like really tough decisions about who the quarterback should be. Like,
I think the only way it was going to be
McCarthy last week or this week was if he made
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just miracle, miraculous progress in practice, and you know they
wanted him to have a full week. He hasn't had
that yet. You weren't going to get it in a
short week, so you had last week and this week
to explain that he's still making progress towards recovery. And
had this been Sunday, it might have been an even
closer decision, And that just really what that does is
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tell us that next week, as they get ready for
the game in Detroit on Hallowing weekend, that's the game
where they either need to start him, acknowledge that there's
been a setback, which I don't think to this point
there has been or acknowledged that Carson Wentz had earned,
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had has will have earned the starting job. And so
those are the questions they're going to face next week
as a result of just the timing of it, but
also the fact that had this econn of acknowledging this
week today, that had this game been on Sunday, it's
possible that would have been a much more difficult decision
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on who the starter would have been than it was today.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
For the record, if I again did my math right,
I've got this is day thirty seven since the injury,
since he went down with the injury, which I still
maintain is longer than they expected. I don't expect him
to say that I understand these things are goofy and
that no two high ankle sprains are alike. But you're
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not going to convince me that they thought thirty seven
days into this thing, whether a game was on a
Thursday night or a Sunday night, that he wouldn't be
ready to play by Now what do you think?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Well, the interesting thing is McCarthy said last week that
he had been told by second in second opinions that
the timetable was.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Up to six weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You know what, it was, two to six, four to six.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
He kept using the word six, And so at least
the information that he had gotten through those second opinions
suggested that this timetable was possible. I the vikings, you know,
I understand why they didn't officially portray the full timetable
when the injury happened. You know, they just said he
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wasn't going to play this week, and he would that
particular week, and that he would be week to week
after that. And I think we've all done a decent
job of reading the tea leaves on where things are,
and I think they just kind of left it open
that they weren't. They didn't want, you know, they don't
want him to miss six weeks, but they also didn't
want it to be just, you know, it's going to
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be six weeks, no matter what. If he made more
progress then than he had. They wanted to be flexible
enough to be able to put him out there without
having to explain why they were speeding up his process.
So I understand why they have sort of presented it
the way they have. I think that they knew that
six weeks was was possible, but just didn't want to
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put that official timeframe out there. In the event that
things moved quicker than they thought it might, I would.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Argue, we got to Guardian and I talked about this yesterday.
Though I think that worked against him. I think they
would have been better. I might have you know that,
because I think part of why there's some questioning about
this locally and even nationally is the impression, whether it
was intended or not, was we're moving quicker than that.
And I think they might have been because I don't
think anybody's everything get mad to say, well, we thought
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it was going to be six weeks, but it turns
out it's going to be four.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's always easier.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It's easier to go back that direction because nobody's going
to be mad in that regard if it goes the
other way. Though, we kind of went through this with
Karl Anthony Towns with one of his injuries, where it
was so slow and there was so little information that
then it became you tried to fill in the gaps
with ominous stuff, whether it was merited or not. And
I think that's maybe a little bit what's happened here.
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Do you buy the theory that the Wentz performance against
the Eagles opened the door from maybe being a crack
open to being wide opened, that at that point there
was enough inconsistency in that performance that it ended any
of the fantasy discussion about well, can you just keep
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playing him and playing him and maybe he keeps being
the guy who's your quarterback? Did that end in your
mind any of that speculation.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I mean, potentially it would have been a leverage point
had he played really well and they had won. I mean,
he had beaten Cincinnati, which at the time was really,
you know, a team that was not that good, and
he beat came back to beat the Browns, which is
a team that's now competing for the number one overall pick.
And so I don't know that he had like a
signature performance or a signature win that would tell you
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that this is he was going to be this year
Sam Darnold, or he would be this year's you know,
Randall Cunningham or whoever you want to go back into
Biden's history and say this he was going to be
the backup that would that would come in and play
surprisingly well and lead them to the playoffs. But you know,
so if he I think he had, I guess he
had the opportunity had he played much better against the
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Eagles than he did.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
But you know, I think.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
We've what we've seen just in total, is kind of
what you would expect from from him and from you know,
really any high end backup. I mean, we've seen backups
come into the league and not be able to you know,
once they actually get on the field, turns out they
can't play at all. And that's not the case with
Carson Wentz.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He's just I don't.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Think he's played at a level at any point that
would make you think that he's playing so well, we
need to redirect the approach we're taking with our franchise quarterback.
And so it was a high bar, I think to
get there in the first place, but certainly he did
not reach it in that game.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
They had how much follow up discussion there was on
this today because obviously the quarterback is a key part
of this. But we got into this subject a lot
yesterday on the program during Vikings talking points. You had
two drives in the red zone where you had first
down I think one time at the fifteen I can't remember,
and the other one was not that far with maybe
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in the nineteen and I counted up seven pass plays.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Seven.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now, I did mention there's times where a quarterback can
see something a line of scrimmage and change to a pass,
even if a run had been the primary call by
the head coach. But I'm not here to tell you
there was the difference between winning and losing that game.
But I'll say again, I don't think the head coach did,
whoever was the quarterback, whoever it was going to be
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any favors in that game.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
At a couple of key points.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, there were a couple of points where you'd say,
and we've seen this in some other games this year,
so it was a little surprising, but we've seen there
were a couple of points where it was like short
yardage or second goal or whatever, and you think, like, okay,
Jordan Mason's back there, let's bring out three tight ends.
Let's you know, get behind your first round pick from
a few years ago. Christian Darris saw your first round pick,
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Donovan Jackson, your big free agent Will Fries.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Whoever you want to run behind.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Brian O'Neil was back on the field, and let's just
pound it, let's just get it.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Let's just push it.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Into the end zone and right here, right now. And
we did not.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
There were a couple opportunities where you thought maybe that
was what was coming and it turned out it didn't.
And so but I like, and so I can't defend that.
I can't say that that that those don't counter that
we shouldn't pay attention to those. I will say that
there's been other time. I mean, George Mason already has
four touchdowns this year, and I think that's more than
Aaron Jones had rushing all of last year. Maybe, And
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so I think they're especially in the goal to go situations,
they are looking at Jordan Mason more than they had
in the previous two years. But but you're right, there's
I mean in that in that situation against Philly, like
there it seemed like there was a reticence to just
really go physical on physical and see how it turned out.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And they'd had and there were some encouraging signs that
they might be capable of doing exactly that. It's an
easy second guess obviously, yeah, but to me it was
it was a it's a sneaky element that I still
I just shake my head and because I'm going you
don't have yet a real your real offense. So once
you whether it's you're playing a backup quarterback now or
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earlier you were playing a young quarterback who might need
a minute or two. But why you don't do all
use all your other tool and you have an offensive
line that's in flux constantly, and and and and one
running back down. I just don't know why you wouldn't,
you know, Okay, I've got to I can't think in
terms of that you know that that that I just
want to sing the balls we've talked about before. It
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just surprises me that he says he gets it, because
then he gets in the game.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It doesn't seem like he does.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
You're never gonna be happy, though, Like you just submit that,
unless unless they go full Lombardi on it. You know,
how about full house three yards and a cloud that
does about every time?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
How about full house? I'm I want round the goal line.
I want a full house backfield. Remember those days? You
don't you probably yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Well, I mean yeah, take the quarterback off the field,
put the tight end, put one of the tight ends
behind center.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
And just and just like run over you that.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean basically they need Kevin O'Connell wasn't born at the.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Time they use that. You want them to use.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, I don't want him to go wishbone. I'm not
gonna go quite that far, but I do. I just
I just want to give yourself when you're limited. I
want to give yourself the best chance to get something done.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
That's all. Or maybe maybe you steal you probably still
would lose the game.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But you know who's to say totally fair? Here's the debate.
On the defensive side. You watch a team give up
the number of explosive plays. If the Vikings did and
you were there, for it, and it's easy to say.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well, that's a that's a fail.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean you can't in the NFL, you can't give
up that many big plays. The comeback to that is, well,
all said and done, they gave up twenty one points
because the other touchdown obviously was a was a pick six,
And so it's not as bad if you're giving them
an overall letter grade. It's really not as bad as
it appears when you have those spectacular misses and wide
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open receivers. So which way do you go in that
regard regarding the defensive ones?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, and I wrote this last week and I think
it still applies.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I think they've been good this year.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like you can't say they're a bad defense when they're
giving up the points. If you said twenty one, I
think entering the game, like defensively, they were giving up
like nineteen twenty points a game.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I mean that that canon often is winning football.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I think they rank in the top five of points allowed,
and that's obviously the most important stat out there, and
they rank highly in a lot of other cases. But
the way the leakings are constructed and the way the
quarterback situation has played out, like a good defense is
not enough, and like it feels like we're I'm unfairly
(27:30):
picking on them because they are playing you know, like
I said, good, well whatever, the correct grammar would be there,
But they need, I think, especially during this this gauntlet
of the schedule that they have, they have to play
lights out, Like they have to not only just give
up twenty one points, but they on third and fifteen
they cannot They have to get off the field, you know,
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in a situation where they have their you know, one
of their top cornerbacks, you know, in man de man
coverage against a good receiver, that cornerback has to make
a play. And that might seem like we're holding them
to an unfair standard given the way other parts of
the team is playing, but like that's that's they're gonna
need to be their formula for winning some of these
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games that look pretty difficult on paper right now, is
that the defense can't just be good. It can't just
you know, say, oh, you know, they're given up only
twenty twenty one points whatever like it has. It has
to be exceptional in every way, and most importantly in
those key moments in the fourth quarter when games you know,
can be turned or flipped.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
That's where they have not been able to make the
plays and again holding them to.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
A very high standard.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
But that's what they need from that group to have
better chances to win some of these games.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
To your point, playing great obviously also has to mean
taking the ball away, which I think you covered yeah
in that piece as well. And we spend a lot
of time on this. Yesterday, I believe it's three straight
games zero tways. You've got seven for the year, but
five came against Cincinnati, And I get some of that's
luck and you right place, right time, and the ball
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bounces a certain way, but that's non negotiable for them.
I mean that that also is part of what they
have to get better at one way or another, whether
it's skill, luck or combination or of both. With this
offense having very little Martin for air at this point
at least, that's probably a requirement as well, is it
not moving forward?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, and that's that's part of the formula last year,
I mean, lots of turnovers and help them get you know,
help the team get to early leads.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
They the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Defense led the league, and the number of snaps they
played with the lead last year. And you know that's
not a secret around football that when you have a lead,
there's certain ways that you can you can play defense
to really pressure the offense that you may not be
able to if you're behind or it's tied and you're
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worried about about giving up a winning score, you're worried
about giving up a tying score or what or what
have you.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And so.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
That's that that.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
They were.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
That was also partly the offense last year that was
giving them the leads. But when you when you have
that lead and you get out to that early lead,
turnovers can be a big part of that as well.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Second and one from the six incomplete pass, then another
pass where it was a touchdown but it got nullified
by the holding penalty that was on fourth down. That's
another example we're talking about regarding just hand the damn
ball off every once in a while, even if that's
kind of what they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
We I don't think we've perfected the.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Tush push the way the Eagles have. As an aside,
which we didn't get to yesterday, tell us about the
interesting quirk offered up by b Flow to try to
combat the Eagles tush push. What was that all about?
And who was the poor guy who was being sacrificed.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, so the poor guy being sacrifice was Tyler Battie,
who had was an undrafted free agent that they signed
a linebacker and went through training camp with them.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He went on.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Injury reserve to start the year, but he practiced for
two weeks as part of the activation process, and he
was activated for this game. I don't want to say
for this role, but I don't know that he got
on the field for anything else.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
But basically what he did was sort.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Of lie down parallel to the line of scrimmage right
in front of the center to be a human obstacle
to the Eagles offensive lineman who liked to get low
and try to dig out the defensive tackles and then
over top of him.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
They had several other defensive.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Linemen kind of come in over the top and try
to get to Jalen.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Hurts that way. And it's actually been there's I.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Talked to Klen Taylor, who's our resident ESPN Push Push expert,
and she said that the Commanders have actually used something
similar to that. Jonathan Allen, who's currently the Biden's defensive
tackle would have I don't think he was the guy
that laid down, but he would have been a part
of that.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And I believe there was.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
One other team, the Chief Chris Jones might have done
it for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. So it's
been tried before and they they barely got it the
first time, and the second time they fall started and
so there was not a play, and so it's you
know that this is what the NFL is kind of
asked for by allowing this play to continue, that the
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quote unquote unstoppables teams are going to come up with
very creative ways. If you're worried about safety, I can't
imagine being laying down on a on a football field.
To serve as a human obstacle is the safest uh
play and role or position for a player to be
in because of nothing else. All the humanity of that
interior line falls on top of you. Credit to Tyler
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Baddy for being willing to do that. But you know
this is what they're gonna You're going to see, and
you're gonna see other creative things, like people are not
going to just accept that the Eagles are going to
get a first down every time they have one or
two yards ago, and they may not stop it, but
it doesn't mean that they're not going to try everything
they can take.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I hope that at some point forces the hand
of the owners to get rid of this stupid play.
I can't stand it if I don't know if you
look at the all twenty two since of the Eagles game,
but what in your mind happened? Where did we break
down in terms of our past coverage. Were they just
really smart about what they did? Did we have some
(33:29):
breakdowns that were not accustomed to what happened on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I think you know, to me, like it's two things.
One is the Eagles have two really good receivers and
both of them made really big plays down the field.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
And the other thing is the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Clearly, you know we're worried about and for good reason
that Jalen hurts breaking the pocket and running. And so
I wouldn't say that this was their heaviest pass rush.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Game in history.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And there were a few times times when.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Uh, it looked like they were basically rushing one guy
and the rest of the guys were just kind of
standing on the line of scrimmage or spying just to
make sure and.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
So ultimately you give Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
The amount of time that he had, and they'll give
those receivers time to get downfield and it's really hard
to cover them. Josh Mantelis is a is a really
good player in a lot of ways, but it's going
to be very difficult for him to stay with aj
Brown for five or six seconds and then eventually get
you know, down the field. And DeVante Smith has beaten
a lot of cornerbacks and now including Isaiah Rodgers on
(34:36):
deep passes, and so I think there's some of it
as a pass rush thing and some of it as
they had you know, those were those are two of
the best players on the Eagles entire roster.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
They're good man there. I know they had some struggling,
but it just it just comes off to me. They're
a team of substance. I still watched I watched the
Lions last night, and I'm not saying again they're unbeatable.
They had lost what the week before, but I just
I just feel like they're playing on a different level
than we are. But maybe that's what the rest of
this season is going to be about. Let's get a
pause in here, and I'll have you look ahead a
little bit too, regarding injuries and the Chargers as an
(35:09):
opponent as well. Kevin Seaffort kind enough to hang with
us for another segment. Luigi will join at the top
of the hour, and beginning at four thirty, we have
a full hour in studio with former US attorney Andy Lueger.
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Speaker 2 (35:53):
Louis will join the top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Before we continue with Kevin Seaffert that regarding that seventy
seven item mean Girl style burn book that apparently Glenn
Taylor had put together in hopes of winning back the franchise,
Quinn from Eton Prairie writes that item number seven from
the burn book, Glenn Taylor was unhappy with the fact
that a Rod had more playoff victories in Minnesota than
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he did hashtag release the Taylor files. Seaffert back with
us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline as well. Texter
asks this question of you, I think I know what
your answer is going to be, but I'm going to
throw it your way anyway. What does Kevin Seaffert think
(36:43):
the twenty twenty five Minnesota Vikings do well?
Speaker 6 (36:51):
I think.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Interesting, Yeah, there's still a very For the most part,
they have been a good downfield passing team. I mean they're,
you know, justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison are getting open downfield,
even against some exotic coverages, and they're piling up a
lot of yardage. And it's not as if the Vikings
(37:15):
have been down by tons of points and they had
to throw the ball every although they did throw a
lot against the Steelers, but that was maybe the one game.
But for the most part, it's not like they're in
these games where they have to set aside their game
plan and just start throwing the ball every play. So
I think that, like if you're making a list, I
think that's something that they've done very well. The kicker,
(37:37):
you know, I know, people don't like to include kicking
in actual football discussions, but the kicker as well, Yeah,
fifty nine yards the other day. You know, he's amongst
the kickers in the league where that as soon as
you're getting in the sixty yard range, you know, it's
a reasonable consideration. And that's a huge weapon they have,
especially at the end of close games or at the
(37:59):
end of halves even steal some points, which they've done
on several occasions.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
So those are two things that come to my mind
right away.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Brad Brad has an I think a compelling question. If
Hockinson's catch doesn't get overturned, are we talking about how
gutty and clutch Carson Wentz is overcoming getting pressured knocked
around all game and leading the team to game winning drives.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Probably unless not unless he did it again because they
again behind.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Yeah, and you know, there's.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Still a lot of like not ideal throws on tape
that people can can cut up and put on the
internet and create a tape of a lot of throws
that don't necessarily look like NFL throws in terms of
the way they're hitting the ground. But that's also part
and parcel with having a guy who wasn't deemed a
starting caliber quarterback when the season began by any team,
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and so you had he had he had that touchdown
count it had been had been a better throw first
and foremost, and had that touchdown then counted and they
had had they gotten the ball back, which based on
the way the last Eagles last drive goes, there's no
guarantees that they would have. And then had he gotten
in a position for what we were talking about with
(39:19):
will record in the possible game winning field goal, then
maybe we're having that discussion, but not just based on
the hockins and play.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Do you believe I don't know if this question was
asked directly or not, but do you believe that the
head coach had any temptation for this Thursday night game
given the fact that JJ's obviously not ready and Wentz
is at very the very least banged up, still got
the shoulder and did not excel. He was very inconsistent
(39:49):
this last game to throwing the ultimate monkey wrench into
the room Guardsey's fantasy Max Brosmer starting against the Chargers.
Do you think that was ever under consideration or has
ever been.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Not in a serious way that I'm aware of. He
did want to see what Carsons Wentz, Carson Wentz's shoulder
looked like once they got back in yesterday and came
back today, and so obviously it's not any further along,
but it's definitely a painful injury, and it's he's not
going to have a full week to recover. So that
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probably would have been the option if Wentz's shoulder.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Wasn't in good enough shape. And and the fact.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
That they're making him the number two and they didn't
keep Desmond Ritter around who was here for a few weeks,
you know, shows that they do have a level of
confidence in him.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
But I you know, I think that they wanted it to.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Be Wentz as long as Wentz was not had not
suffered any setbacks in his in his recovery from that
shoulder injury.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
If we lose Thursday, Texter guy six one wants to know,
do we become sellers?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
The headline?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I mean, you could make an argument that that would
make the most sense from a very long term approach
to the team building here, But after the way they
just seeing and how they've sort of behaved and didn't
certainly didn't do it two years ago when Kirk Cousins
got hurt. Yeah, I don't know if they've regretted at all.
(41:25):
Daniel Hunter was a player that they maybe could have
moved for more than what they got in terms of compensation,
but certainly hasn't been the way they've ever approached things here,
at least in the tenure of O'Connell and Clacy deflamensa.
So I don't go into it expecting them to be sellers.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
If somebody blows them away.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Knowing that there's a lot of older guys on this
team and there's a pretty big salary cap definicit that
they're facing next year, you would imagine they would at
least can take a call. But I don't think that
they're looking to dump gow on it by any stretch
of the imagine.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Can we be a buyer?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Because I keep bearing these predictions from people in your
business saying this is going to be an unusually active year, Yeah,
in the trade market, which would be I think great
if it could materialize in the NFL, because it really
seems to just go ahead and say it.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Are they going to go trade for Kirk Cousins?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That would be funny?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, that would be the thing potentially for something on
a relative second level or third level deed, But I certainly,
you know, given this division, and you know, and given
where they're at in terms of the quarterbacks they have
on this roster, and what the top priority is going
to be. I mean, frankly, from a team building perspective,
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the best thing that in some ways, the very longest
term perspective, the best thing that can happen for this
team is for number one, them to get JJ McCarthy
on the field and for a nice long run that
gives them a lot of data points and a lot
of things to look at in preparation for next year,
and in the process maybe ending up with a top
(43:09):
fifteen pick along the way for next year. And so
I know, no one wants to talk about that, and
everybody hates.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Hearing those things, and every year is the.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Year in two itself.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
But you know, and if I work for the team,
or if I were the coach of the team or
player on a team, I certainly wouldn't feel that way.
But in some ways that could be the most ideal
scenario for them.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
How beatable are the Chargers?
Speaker 5 (43:34):
They are beatable, and that's the thing like they. You know,
this is such a week to week league. Were here
I am talking about, you know, potentially just not being
happy with a top fifteen pick for next year. And
they could be the Chargers and be four and three,
and here we go with the Lions coming up.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I just think that that.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
In itself shouldn't spur anything us thinking anything dramatically different
about where this team might be headed. But the Chargers,
you know, they just gave up almost forty points at
the Colts last week, and it's I mean, it's a
team that, like the Eagles, frankly, they were vulnerable. I
mean that that was not unwinnable game and this is
(44:16):
not either. They're going to need to play better than
they've played here from most of the games of this season.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I have a wonderful trip to Los Angeles, California. I
know you were tracking the vikings for the Thursday night
game and we will let.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Chat this week.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Thank you, Okay, Dan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Kevin Seffert extended version not in studio, but still got
a lot of good stuff from him. Moving a lot
of pieces around today to fit various schedules. Luigi is
going to join us next You have hockey questions about
the Wild road trip, other things hockey related. Brad Shawn
Bryant Kafan text line six four six eighty six. Andy
Luger is going to join us in studio, mainly to
(44:56):
talk about an op ed piece he wrote that's getting
a lot of attention out of the start Bune. Over
the weekend, he has scheduled for a four thirty appearance,
so we've got a lot to get to State
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, we got we got a man up today, one day.
It's the only day this week we got a nut up.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is that what you're saying? I think Friday is too,
oh Friday as well. Yeah, but I'll be gone Friday. Yeah,
that's on you care You'll be on your way to
Iowa City.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I will be gunbell tight. You really are you driving?
Are you bussing? Are you flying? Both? Really? Both lying
down there all busting back, busting back.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, I'm teams busting both ways. I see I'm doing
some other things. You're flying one way, then busting back
with them. Yeah, or I got some family going to
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(01:34):
season opens tonight, not with the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Wolves open of course.
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Tomorrow night in Portland against the Trail Blazers.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The don't sleep on the trail Blazers.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah we.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Uh And then what we go to La Friday night Las. Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Home opener will be Sunday, Yes, Pacers against the Halliburton
Lass Indiana Pacers.
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Don't leap on that me, Oh you can't.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Not the way they play Pacer culture, Rick Carlisle culture
exactly related. Remember the old Obi topping game that my
son and I went to last year top and looked
like fifty. He looked like a first team All NBA
player on that occasion.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
He was.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He was a good player for them. He is a
good player. I think he's stole back with him not
even sure we'll find out. We'll find out, yeah, one
way the other. That's where my son almost gave up
on the season because he had You know, he usually
goes to the good games, Yes, because that's those are
the games.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I go to.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yes, it's easier to say, hey, I'm going to target right,
you know, to watch Wolves Lakers if I can bring
the eleven year old. So he had seen like nine
losses in a row. Yeah, that's tough, and I'm like,
this is a get right game. Caliburn's place, nobody's playing.
We'll go watch the Pacers on a Monday, and then
they lose, lose. We almost lost him forever. That was
last season. It was going to be a new era.
By the way, Johnny Athletics is going to join us
(02:51):
tomorrow to preview from Portland the Wolves from Dateline Portland, Oregon.
Did you see the Johnny Athletic Athletic prediction? Oh no,
I didn't seen it. I've I read his Anthony Edwards
piece to the way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I understand it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
He was all the folks who cover the NBA for
the Athletic and specialized with his spific a specific team
we're asked to offer up their boldest prediction.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Johnny took him seriously.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Johnny is predicting your Minnesota Timberwolves will be hoisting the
Lombardi Troy Trophy down First Avenue. He went all away
with it all the way with Johnny K. Wow, yeah
about that. Yeah, I'm not gonna look it up. He's
(03:42):
lost himself in ant's eye. We know that I do
have an NBA story, you know, because it's the start
of the season. We've got to kick it off, even
if the Wolves aren't playing till tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I didn't think I.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Was gonna have to kick it off with this particular story.
That honestly makes me sad in a way that what
we're about to hear just a taste of, was not
chronicled month after month in a way that we could
have had one of the best sports reality shows originate
(04:14):
right here in Minneapolis, Minnesota. And it's not even close
how good it might have been. What am I talking about? Well,
some of you may know about this, some of you
might not. Your guy Pablo Torre, who suddenly is on
the scene on every big story finding out a lot
of that's his podcast, that's what's called right Pablo Tory
finds out Yes, well, he found out that the winners
(04:40):
was just say the loser in the Minnesota Timber was
ownership battle. Glenn Taylor had some unique ways that he
tried to go about convincing the powers that be, I'm assuming,
including the arbitration panel which way they should rule.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
In favor of Taylor or in favor of Mark LORII
and Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I think this is about a three minute two and
a half minute snippet. It's him with two of his
companions who I don't know. I apologize, Is that true?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Comedian? Yes? So three of them oblo.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Obviously, Pablo is starting it with laying out exactly what
he has gotten a hold of and how you really
can't make it up.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
What happens here took place in a closed door, secret,
private arbitration sort of. The top line thing here that
has been communicated to me and has been talked about
by multiple league sources is that Glenn Taylor's legal strategy
was quote baffling, which is to say that something that
(05:49):
Mark and Alex's legal team had discovered in discovery. Glenn Taylor,
in the months during this push and pull, had two
executives create what amounts to a burn book, as in
like a mean Girl style list, a list that has
(06:09):
been described to me as numbered and seventy seven items long.
And this list of seventy seven things Glenn Taylor Slash
the Timberwolves hate about Mark Laurie and Alex Rodriguez was
communicating to the NBA and then to anyone who would listen.
(06:30):
You can't approve these guys.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
They have terrible absorption. Some items on this are I'm
so happy right now.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Mark Laurie had dinner with Kevin Garnett and never told
me Alex Rodriguez did steroids. A Rod is a liar,
a Rod is a cheat. Aeron had the largest suspension
in MLB history. They get to seventy seven things, but
it's all along the lines of just like sir, does
anyone here remember that this is a hearing related to
(07:01):
arbitration about a legal contract, a legal proceeding, legal proceeding. Yeah,
and none of this has anything to do with anything.
They pursue their strategy, which is, nonetheless, to bring out
a series of video exhibits, one of which is and
I cannot reiterate enough how much this is a part
of their strategy. The interview that a Rod did with
Katie Couric, for.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
The record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone,
or any other performance enhancing substance.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
No, none of it is particularly relevant in a legal
proceeding regarding the sale of an entirely unrelated franchise and sport.
So that happens, and the arbitrator is like, yeah, we're
gonna go with the centaur guy and the diapers guy.
And in reality what happens is there is a vote
where the NBA owners have to gather, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
A zoom call.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And something that's stunning to everybody is, of course, the
face that pops up with some questions, even at the
very end when it seems like this has all been decided,
because there on a and I'm told he was muted
and didn't know it and had to be unmuted to
then be told to know is Glenn Taylor. In fairness
to Glenn, if you could undo.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
That deal, you probably should.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
He only made he only made one point four billion
dollars profit.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
But it's not in fairness to him. He's soon who
agreed to it in the first place. He had no
idea how much his asset was worth. But this is
the thing that Glenn ends up negotiating the upshot of
this as Joe Mandy is celebrating and finally Glenn Taylor
is out of his life. Anthony Edwards and Anthony Junior
are free from this man. What Glenn Taylor negotiates at
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the finish line is to have Mark Laurie and Alex
Rodriguez purchased for him for the next decade four courtside
seats next to the team bench.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
As f Okay, there's a lot to chew on there.
We've got Kevin Sefer coming up next segment. But I
wanted to at least lay it out there to give
people a taste of it who would not watched the podcast.
This was sort of a highlight podcast the of the
I was intrigued. Yeah, okay, so you probably have more
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information than I do. I will say I'm not particularly
I'm more interested in what he gleaned what as a
good reporter, uh, Pablo Tory was able to get because
he's very good at that. Wasn't quite as amused by
or fascinated by all the laughter. Some of that got
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a little thick for me, a little bit patronizing, a
little bit too condescending in my view. But it does
fall under the classification of you really can't make it
up because in effect, this apparently was a seven seven
item mean girl style burn book. And look, you know, hey,
(10:09):
Rod lied. I mean, there's no denying it, there's no
going back on it. It's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But the issue is.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That, of course, for arbitrators has nothing to do with
the agreement nothing. So how Glenn Taylor and his representatives
weren't aware of that, I don't know. Maybe it's out
of desperation, you're gonna, among other things, say well he
had dinner with one of the owners, had dinner with
Kevin Garnett, Like that's illegal or something.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't know. I'm just my lament. My regret is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
The two parties all along did not agree to let
the cameras in as this information and gossip was being
accumulated and discussed. I mean, can you imagine how juicy
it would have been to hear some of Glenn Taylor's conversation, yes,
with whoever the insiders were, and you had some ideas,
some theories on that putting together this so called burn book.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And same on the other side. I don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Likely to emerge as a reality show after the fact,
But man, how juicy might this have been? And it
does in fairness, I should say two things. One, it
comes off as a further sign of the utter desperation
the Glenn Taylor side, right that he realizes his regret.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He had.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Sale regret I think from the beginning, as we talked
about on this show for years, and he didn't know
what to do with it, and so he but what
he came up with is sad and really kind of
pathetic sounding. Also, as in the Fairness part, ad, it's
pretty clear this is all coming from one side for
shodd illegal by the way, because I don't it all
seems to be true if it was in Discovery there
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you know, there may be hopefully an opportunity for reporters
follow up and say.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
There are a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Let's how did the guys on the other side of
this handle that as well?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Because I don't think we know that yet.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
All I know is could have had the greatest sports
reality show in Minnesota sports history, and and and now
it's probably too late. What it does is confirm because
you were saying that at the time, wouldn't it be
great if we had cameras inside the arbitration room?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Remediation room. You were on it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You because you're right, and it confirms that it would
have been juicy and it would have been good. I
just think about all the times we pulled there. I
want to know some of the other ones on there,
even ones on the list.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
That's what I want to know. I want to know
all seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
There's seventy seven. I mean, that's pretty deep. The tickets
court side thing doesn't bother me at all. I remember
Louis was even in studio that no problem, and he said, yeah,
that happens all the time. Former executives and former owners
get their technic indictment. That to me was meaningless, meaningless.
I agree, but only because the one fan just wants
him out of the building completely, so they've bothered him.
And there's a lot of fans that are probably like
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that correct, which again I think is overblown.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I agree too.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I would love to see the actual list just to know,
because I'm sure there's some real stuff in there that
also wasn't all right. There's no question, but the stuff
that you're this stuff that you're laying out, it's like,
come on, man, what you really think you're gonna get
anywhere with this thing. And obviously the arbitrator said, these
may be bad guys or they a Rod lie, they
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might not have the money, but the fact is it's
got to be about the agreement, not what a Rod
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Speaker 3 (13:36):
I wonder if on the other side a Rod and
Laurie brought up the secret Joe Smith deal that huh
Glenn Taylor agreed to Huh. I wonder if they would
have gotten that deep on the other side of the table.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
We wanted to have a plan at the quarterback position,
and it'll be very similar to last week. Carson will start,
Max will be the backup, and JJ will be available
in the case of emergency as the third and like
I said, encouraged about where he's at and very much
looking forward to continuing his progression and hopefully having a
(14:11):
chance to go next week. And we'll keep you guys
posted on that.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I know it's a very very funereal day for the
mc bobo's out there. The announcement official that JJ McCarthy
will not be starting when the Vikings take on the
Chargers on Thursday night in Los Angeles. Kevin Seffert waiting
patiently before we get to him to get his reaction
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to I think was the what was the obvious announcement?
If JJ's simply not physically ready. I want to mention
a couple of things. If you have ideas on what
some of the other items in the Glenn Taylor files
that we have not yet heard of hit the bratch
on Brian Cafe in text line as some of you
already have at his six four six eight six. In fact,
(15:01):
we already have a hashtag release the Tailor files. I
don't know if that will happened, but if you have ideas.
For example, Nate Tice suggests that number seventy two, not
yet known elsewhere, he did not like the lasagna. He
meaning a rod did not like the lasagna. This is
(15:22):
the seventy seven eye to mean girl style burn book.
Apparently I should have been ready for the Nate line.
That's true, it's to change my best next time for sure.
So more on that later, and I have a hunch
Larry Mondelo guy, among others might want to get in
on all that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Fun as well.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Seaford joins us now via the Connecticut Water Systems Hotline.
Unfortunately had two tightest schedule to meet to see us
in studio today, but we've got.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Plenty to discuss.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Nevertheless, I assume, well, how important do you think it
was for the head coach to direct the message that
seemed to indicate if we're in a normal week here,
I might have by Friday a very different announcement.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I think that it's nothing else. It continues the narrative,
which I you know, I say.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Narrative as if that's a pejorative. It's not.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
It continues the narrative that he's making progress and that,
as we've talked about, and I think internally the Bidens
have talked about as well. They had this two weeks
of wiggle room before they really had to face any
like really tough decisions about who the quarterback should be. Like,
I think the only way it was going to be
McCarthy last week or this week was if he made
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just miracle, miraculous progress in practice, and you know they
wanted him to have a full week. He hasn't had
that yet. You weren't going to get it in a
short week, so you had last week and this week
to explain that he's still making progress towards recovery. And
had this been Sunday, it might have been an even
closer decision, And that just really what that does is
(17:01):
tell us that next week, as they get ready for
the game in Detroit on Hallowing weekend, that's the game
where they either need to start him, acknowledge that there's
been a setback, which I don't think to this point
there has been or acknowledged that Carson Wentz had earned,
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had has will have earned the starting job. And so
those are the questions they're going to face next week
as a result of just the timing of it, but
also the fact that had this econn of acknowledging this
week today, that had this game been on Sunday, it's
possible that would have been a much more difficult decision
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on who the starter would have been than it was today.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
For the record, if I again did my math right,
I've got this is day thirty seven since the injury,
since he went down with the injury, which I still
maintain is longer than they expected. I don't expect him
to say that I understand these things are goofy and
that no two high ankle sprains are alike. But you're
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not going to convince me that they thought thirty seven
days into this thing, whether a game was on a
Thursday night or a Sunday night, that he wouldn't be
ready to play by Now what do you think?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Well, the interesting thing is McCarthy said last week that
he had been told by second in second opinions that
the timetable was.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Up to six weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You know what, it was, two to six, four to six.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
He kept using the word six, And so at least
the information that he had gotten through those second opinions
suggested that this timetable was possible. I the vikings, you know,
I understand why they didn't officially portray the full timetable
when the injury happened. You know, they just said he
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wasn't going to play this week, and he would that
particular week, and that he would be week to week
after that. And I think we've all done a decent
job of reading the tea leaves on where things are,
and I think they just kind of left it open
that they weren't. They didn't want, you know, they don't
want him to miss six weeks, but they also didn't
want it to be just, you know, it's going to
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be six weeks, no matter what. If he made more
progress then than he had. They wanted to be flexible
enough to be able to put him out there without
having to explain why they were speeding up his process.
So I understand why they have sort of presented it
the way they have. I think that they knew that
six weeks was was possible, but just didn't want to
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put that official timeframe out there. In the event that
things moved quicker than they thought it might, I would.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Argue, we got to Guardian and I talked about this yesterday.
Though I think that worked against him. I think they
would have been better. I might have you know that,
because I think part of why there's some questioning about
this locally and even nationally is the impression, whether it
was intended or not, was we're moving quicker than that.
And I think they might have been because I don't
think anybody's everything get mad to say, well, we thought
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it was going to be six weeks, but it turns
out it's going to be four.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's always easier.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It's easier to go back that direction because nobody's going
to be mad in that regard if it goes the
other way. Though, we kind of went through this with
Karl Anthony Towns with one of his injuries, where it
was so slow and there was so little information that
then it became you tried to fill in the gaps
with ominous stuff, whether it was merited or not. And
I think that's maybe a little bit what's happened here.
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Do you buy the theory that the Wentz performance against
the Eagles opened the door from maybe being a crack
open to being wide opened, that at that point there
was enough inconsistency in that performance that it ended any
of the fantasy discussion about well, can you just keep
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playing him and playing him and maybe he keeps being
the guy who's your quarterback? Did that end in your
mind any of that speculation.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I mean, potentially it would have been a leverage point
had he played really well and they had won. I mean,
he had beaten Cincinnati, which at the time was really,
you know, a team that was not that good, and
he beat came back to beat the Browns, which is
a team that's now competing for the number one overall pick.
And so I don't know that he had like a
signature performance or a signature win that would tell you
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that this is he was going to be this year
Sam Darnold, or he would be this year's you know,
Randall Cunningham or whoever you want to go back into
Biden's history and say this he was going to be
the backup that would that would come in and play
surprisingly well and lead them to the playoffs. But you know,
so if he I think he had, I guess he
had the opportunity had he played much better against the
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Eagles than he did.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
But you know, I think.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
We've what we've seen just in total, is kind of
what you would expect from from him and from you know,
really any high end backup. I mean, we've seen backups
come into the league and not be able to you know,
once they actually get on the field, turns out they
can't play at all. And that's not the case with
Carson Wentz.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
He's just I don't.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Think he's played at a level at any point that
would make you think that he's playing so well, we
need to redirect the approach we're taking with our franchise quarterback.
And so it was a high bar, I think to
get there in the first place, but certainly he did
not reach it in that game.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
They had how much follow up discussion there was on
this today because obviously the quarterback is a key part
of this. But we got into this subject a lot
yesterday on the program during Vikings talking points. You had
two drives in the red zone where you had first
down I think one time at the fifteen I can't remember,
and the other one was not that far with maybe
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in the nineteen and I counted up seven pass plays.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Seven.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now, I did mention there's times where a quarterback can
see something a line of scrimmage and change to a pass,
even if a run had been the primary call by
the head coach. But I'm not here to tell you
there was the difference between winning and losing that game.
But I'll say again, I don't think the head coach did,
whoever was the quarterback, whoever it was going to be
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any favors in that game.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
At a couple of key points.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, there were a couple of points where you'd say,
and we've seen this in some other games this year,
so it was a little surprising, but we've seen there
were a couple of points where it was like short
yardage or second goal or whatever, and you think, like, okay,
Jordan Mason's back there, let's bring out three tight ends.
Let's you know, get behind your first round pick from
a few years ago. Christian Darris saw your first round pick,
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Donovan Jackson, your big free agent Will Fries.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Whoever you want to run behind.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Brian O'Neil was back on the field, and let's just
pound it, let's just get it.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Let's just push it.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Into the end zone and right here, right now. And
we did not.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
There were a couple opportunities where you thought maybe that
was what was coming and it turned out it didn't.
And so but I like, and so I can't defend that.
I can't say that that that those don't counter that
we shouldn't pay attention to those. I will say that
there's been other time. I mean, George Mason already has
four touchdowns this year, and I think that's more than
Aaron Jones had rushing all of last year. Maybe, And
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so I think they're especially in the goal to go situations,
they are looking at Jordan Mason more than they had
in the previous two years. But but you're right, there's
I mean in that in that situation against Philly, like
there it seemed like there was a reticence to just
really go physical on physical and see how it turned out.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And they'd had and there were some encouraging signs that
they might be capable of doing exactly that. It's an
easy second guess obviously, yeah, but to me it was
it was a it's a sneaky element that I still
I just shake my head and because I'm going you
don't have yet a real your real offense. So once
you whether it's you're playing a backup quarterback now or
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earlier you were playing a young quarterback who might need
a minute or two. But why you don't do all
use all your other tool and you have an offensive
line that's in flux constantly, and and and and one
running back down. I just don't know why you wouldn't,
you know, Okay, I've got to I can't think in
terms of that you know that that that I just
want to sing the balls we've talked about before. It
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just surprises me that he says he gets it, because
then he gets in the game.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It doesn't seem like he does.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
You're never gonna be happy, though, Like you just submit that,
unless unless they go full Lombardi on it. You know,
how about full house three yards and a cloud that
does about every time?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
How about full house? I'm I want round the goal line.
I want a full house backfield. Remember those days? You
don't you probably yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Well, I mean yeah, take the quarterback off the field,
put the tight end, put one of the tight ends
behind center.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
And just and just like run over you that.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean basically they need Kevin O'Connell wasn't born at the.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Time they use that. You want them to use.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, I don't want him to go wishbone. I'm not
gonna go quite that far, but I do. I just
I just want to give yourself when you're limited. I
want to give yourself the best chance to get something done.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
That's all. Or maybe maybe you steal you probably still
would lose the game.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But you know who's to say totally fair? Here's the debate.
On the defensive side. You watch a team give up
the number of explosive plays. If the Vikings did and
you were there, for it, and it's easy to say.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well, that's a that's a fail.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean you can't in the NFL, you can't give
up that many big plays. The comeback to that is, well,
all said and done, they gave up twenty one points
because the other touchdown obviously was a was a pick six,
And so it's not as bad if you're giving them
an overall letter grade. It's really not as bad as
it appears when you have those spectacular misses and wide
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open receivers. So which way do you go in that
regard regarding the defensive ones?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, and I wrote this last week and I think
it still applies.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I think they've been good this year.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like you can't say they're a bad defense when they're
giving up the points. If you said twenty one, I
think entering the game, like defensively, they were giving up
like nineteen twenty points a game.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I mean that that canon often is winning football.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I think they rank in the top five of points allowed,
and that's obviously the most important stat out there, and
they rank highly in a lot of other cases. But
the way the leakings are constructed and the way the
quarterback situation has played out, like a good defense is
not enough, and like it feels like we're I'm unfairly
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picking on them because they are playing you know, like
I said, good, well whatever, the correct grammar would be there,
But they need, I think, especially during this this gauntlet
of the schedule that they have, they have to play
lights out, Like they have to not only just give
up twenty one points, but they on third and fifteen
they cannot They have to get off the field, you know,
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in a situation where they have their you know, one
of their top cornerbacks, you know, in man de man
coverage against a good receiver, that cornerback has to make
a play. And that might seem like we're holding them
to an unfair standard given the way other parts of
the team is playing, but like that's that's they're gonna
need to be their formula for winning some of these
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games that look pretty difficult on paper right now, is
that the defense can't just be good. It can't just
you know, say, oh, you know, they're given up only
twenty twenty one points whatever like it has. It has
to be exceptional in every way, and most importantly in
those key moments in the fourth quarter when games you know,
can be turned or flipped.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
That's where they have not been able to make the
plays and again holding them to.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
A very high standard.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
But that's what they need from that group to have
better chances to win some of these games.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
To your point, playing great obviously also has to mean
taking the ball away, which I think you covered yeah
in that piece as well. And we spend a lot
of time on this. Yesterday, I believe it's three straight
games zero tways. You've got seven for the year, but
five came against Cincinnati, And I get some of that's
luck and you right place, right time, and the ball
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bounces a certain way, but that's non negotiable for them.
I mean that that also is part of what they
have to get better at one way or another, whether
it's skill, luck or combination or of both. With this
offense having very little Martin for air at this point
at least, that's probably a requirement as well, is it
not moving forward?
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, and that's that's part of the formula last year,
I mean, lots of turnovers and help them get you know,
help the team get to early leads.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
They the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Defense led the league, and the number of snaps they
played with the lead last year. And you know that's
not a secret around football that when you have a lead,
there's certain ways that you can you can play defense
to really pressure the offense that you may not be
able to if you're behind or it's tied and you're
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worried about about giving up a winning score, you're worried
about giving up a tying score or what or what
have you.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And so.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
That's that that.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
They were.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
That was also partly the offense last year that was
giving them the leads. But when you when you have
that lead and you get out to that early lead,
turnovers can be a big part of that as well.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Second and one from the six incomplete pass, then another
pass where it was a touchdown but it got nullified
by the holding penalty that was on fourth down. That's
another example we're talking about regarding just hand the damn
ball off every once in a while, even if that's
kind of what they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
We I don't think we've perfected the.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Tush push the way the Eagles have. As an aside,
which we didn't get to yesterday, tell us about the
interesting quirk offered up by b Flow to try to
combat the Eagles tush push. What was that all about?
And who was the poor guy who was being sacrificed.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, so the poor guy being sacrifice was Tyler Battie,
who had was an undrafted free agent that they signed
a linebacker and went through training camp with them.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He went on.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Injury reserve to start the year, but he practiced for
two weeks as part of the activation process, and he
was activated for this game. I don't want to say
for this role, but I don't know that he got
on the field for anything else.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
But basically what he did was sort.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Of lie down parallel to the line of scrimmage right
in front of the center to be a human obstacle
to the Eagles offensive lineman who liked to get low
and try to dig out the defensive tackles and then
over top of him.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
They had several other defensive.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Linemen kind of come in over the top and try
to get to Jalen.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Hurts that way. And it's actually been there's I.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Talked to Klen Taylor, who's our resident ESPN Push Push expert,
and she said that the Commanders have actually used something
similar to that. Jonathan Allen, who's currently the Biden's defensive
tackle would have I don't think he was the guy
that laid down, but he would have been a part
of that.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And I believe there was.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
One other team, the Chief Chris Jones might have done
it for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. So it's
been tried before and they they barely got it the
first time, and the second time they fall started and
so there was not a play, and so it's you
know that this is what the NFL is kind of
asked for by allowing this play to continue, that the
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quote unquote unstoppables teams are going to come up with
very creative ways. If you're worried about safety, I can't
imagine being laying down on a on a football field.
To serve as a human obstacle is the safest uh
play and role or position for a player to be
in because of nothing else. All the humanity of that
interior line falls on top of you. Credit to Tyler
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Baddy for being willing to do that. But you know
this is what they're gonna You're going to see, and
you're gonna see other creative things, like people are not
going to just accept that the Eagles are going to
get a first down every time they have one or
two yards ago, and they may not stop it, but
it doesn't mean that they're not going to try everything
they can take.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I hope that at some point forces the hand
of the owners to get rid of this stupid play.
I can't stand it if I don't know if you
look at the all twenty two since of the Eagles game,
but what in your mind happened? Where did we break
down in terms of our past coverage. Were they just
really smart about what they did? Did we have some
(33:29):
breakdowns that were not accustomed to what happened on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I think you know, to me, like it's two things.
One is the Eagles have two really good receivers and
both of them made really big plays down the field.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
And the other thing is the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Clearly, you know we're worried about and for good reason
that Jalen hurts breaking the pocket and running. And so
I wouldn't say that this was their heaviest pass rush.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Game in history.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And there were a few times times when.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Uh, it looked like they were basically rushing one guy
and the rest of the guys were just kind of
standing on the line of scrimmage or spying just to
make sure and.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
So ultimately you give Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
The amount of time that he had, and they'll give
those receivers time to get downfield and it's really hard
to cover them. Josh Mantelis is a is a really
good player in a lot of ways, but it's going
to be very difficult for him to stay with aj
Brown for five or six seconds and then eventually get
you know, down the field. And DeVante Smith has beaten
a lot of cornerbacks and now including Isaiah Rodgers on
(34:36):
deep passes, and so I think there's some of it
as a pass rush thing and some of it as
they had you know, those were those are two of
the best players on the Eagles entire roster.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
They're good man there. I know they had some struggling,
but it just it just comes off to me. They're
a team of substance. I still watched I watched the
Lions last night, and I'm not saying again they're unbeatable.
They had lost what the week before, but I just
I just feel like they're playing on a different level
than we are. But maybe that's what the rest of
this season is going to be about. Let's get a
pause in here, and I'll have you look ahead a
little bit too, regarding injuries and the Chargers as an
(35:09):
opponent as well. Kevin Seaffort kind enough to hang with
us for another segment. Luigi will join at the top
of the hour, and beginning at four thirty, we have
a full hour in studio with former US attorney Andy Lueger.
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Speaker 2 (35:53):
Louis will join the top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Before we continue with Kevin Seaffert that regarding that seventy
seven item mean Girl style burn book that apparently Glenn
Taylor had put together in hopes of winning back the franchise,
Quinn from Eton Prairie writes that item number seven from
the burn book, Glenn Taylor was unhappy with the fact
that a Rod had more playoff victories in Minnesota than
(36:20):
he did hashtag release the Taylor files. Seaffert back with
us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline as well. Texter
asks this question of you, I think I know what
your answer is going to be, but I'm going to
throw it your way anyway. What does Kevin Seaffert think
(36:43):
the twenty twenty five Minnesota Vikings do well?
Speaker 6 (36:51):
I think.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Interesting, Yeah, there's still a very For the most part,
they have been a good downfield passing team. I mean they're,
you know, justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison are getting open downfield,
even against some exotic coverages, and they're piling up a
lot of yardage. And it's not as if the Vikings
(37:15):
have been down by tons of points and they had
to throw the ball every although they did throw a
lot against the Steelers, but that was maybe the one game.
But for the most part, it's not like they're in
these games where they have to set aside their game
plan and just start throwing the ball every play. So
I think that, like if you're making a list, I
think that's something that they've done very well. The kicker,
(37:37):
you know, I know, people don't like to include kicking
in actual football discussions, but the kicker as well, Yeah,
fifty nine yards the other day. You know, he's amongst
the kickers in the league where that as soon as
you're getting in the sixty yard range, you know, it's
a reasonable consideration. And that's a huge weapon they have,
especially at the end of close games or at the
(37:59):
end of halves even steal some points, which they've done
on several occasions.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
So those are two things that come to my mind
right away.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Brad Brad has an I think a compelling question. If
Hockinson's catch doesn't get overturned, are we talking about how
gutty and clutch Carson Wentz is overcoming getting pressured knocked
around all game and leading the team to game winning drives.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Probably unless not unless he did it again because they
again behind.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Yeah, and you know, there's.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Still a lot of like not ideal throws on tape
that people can can cut up and put on the
internet and create a tape of a lot of throws
that don't necessarily look like NFL throws in terms of
the way they're hitting the ground. But that's also part
and parcel with having a guy who wasn't deemed a
starting caliber quarterback when the season began by any team,
(38:58):
and so you had he had he had that touchdown
count it had been had been a better throw first
and foremost, and had that touchdown then counted and they
had had they gotten the ball back, which based on
the way the last Eagles last drive goes, there's no
guarantees that they would have. And then had he gotten
in a position for what we were talking about with
(39:19):
will record in the possible game winning field goal, then
maybe we're having that discussion, but not just based on
the hockins and play.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Do you believe I don't know if this question was
asked directly or not, but do you believe that the
head coach had any temptation for this Thursday night game
given the fact that JJ's obviously not ready and Wentz
is at very the very least banged up, still got
the shoulder and did not excel. He was very inconsistent
(39:49):
this last game to throwing the ultimate monkey wrench into
the room Guardsey's fantasy Max Brosmer starting against the Chargers.
Do you think that was ever under consideration or has
ever been.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Not in a serious way that I'm aware of. He
did want to see what Carsons Wentz, Carson Wentz's shoulder
looked like once they got back in yesterday and came
back today, and so obviously it's not any further along,
but it's definitely a painful injury, and it's he's not
going to have a full week to recover. So that
(40:23):
probably would have been the option if Wentz's shoulder.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Wasn't in good enough shape. And and the fact.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
That they're making him the number two and they didn't
keep Desmond Ritter around who was here for a few weeks,
you know, shows that they do have a level of
confidence in him.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
But I you know, I think that they wanted it to.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Be Wentz as long as Wentz was not had not
suffered any setbacks in his in his recovery from that
shoulder injury.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
If we lose Thursday, Texter guy six one wants to know,
do we become sellers?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
The headline?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I mean, you could make an argument that that would
make the most sense from a very long term approach
to the team building here, But after the way they
just seeing and how they've sort of behaved and didn't
certainly didn't do it two years ago when Kirk Cousins
got hurt. Yeah, I don't know if they've regretted at all.
(41:25):
Daniel Hunter was a player that they maybe could have
moved for more than what they got in terms of compensation,
but certainly hasn't been the way they've ever approached things here,
at least in the tenure of O'Connell and Clacy deflamensa.
So I don't go into it expecting them to be sellers.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
If somebody blows them away.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Knowing that there's a lot of older guys on this
team and there's a pretty big salary cap definicit that
they're facing next year, you would imagine they would at
least can take a call. But I don't think that
they're looking to dump gow on it by any stretch
of the imagine.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Can we be a buyer?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Because I keep bearing these predictions from people in your
business saying this is going to be an unusually active year, Yeah,
in the trade market, which would be I think great
if it could materialize in the NFL, because it really
seems to just go ahead and say it.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Are they going to go trade for Kirk Cousins?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That would be funny?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, that would be the thing potentially for something on
a relative second level or third level deed, But I certainly,
you know, given this division, and you know, and given
where they're at in terms of the quarterbacks they have
on this roster, and what the top priority is going
to be. I mean, frankly, from a team building perspective,
(42:47):
the best thing that in some ways, the very longest
term perspective, the best thing that can happen for this
team is for number one, them to get JJ McCarthy
on the field and for a nice long run that
gives them a lot of data points and a lot
of things to look at in preparation for next year,
and in the process maybe ending up with a top
(43:09):
fifteen pick along the way for next year. And so
I know, no one wants to talk about that, and
everybody hates.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Hearing those things, and every year is the.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Year in two itself.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
But you know, and if I work for the team,
or if I were the coach of the team or
player on a team, I certainly wouldn't feel that way.
But in some ways that could be the most ideal
scenario for them.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
How beatable are the Chargers?
Speaker 5 (43:34):
They are beatable, and that's the thing like they. You know,
this is such a week to week league. Were here
I am talking about, you know, potentially just not being
happy with a top fifteen pick for next year. And
they could be the Chargers and be four and three,
and here we go with the Lions coming up.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I just think that that.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
In itself shouldn't spur anything us thinking anything dramatically different
about where this team might be headed. But the Chargers,
you know, they just gave up almost forty points at
the Colts last week, and it's I mean, it's a
team that, like the Eagles, frankly, they were vulnerable. I
mean that that was not unwinnable game and this is
(44:16):
not either. They're going to need to play better than
they've played here from most of the games of this season.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I have a wonderful trip to Los Angeles, California. I
know you were tracking the vikings for the Thursday night
game and we will let.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Chat this week.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Thank you, Okay, Dan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Kevin Seffert extended version not in studio, but still got
a lot of good stuff from him. Moving a lot
of pieces around today to fit various schedules. Luigi is
going to join us next You have hockey questions about
the Wild road trip, other things hockey related. Brad Shawn
Bryant Kafan text line six four six eighty six. Andy
Luger is going to join us in studio, mainly to
(44:56):
talk about an op ed piece he wrote that's getting
a lot of attention out of the start Bune. Over
the weekend, he has scheduled for a four thirty appearance,
so we've got a lot to get to State
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