October 28, 2025 • 44 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show celebrating an epic World Series Game 3 last night that went into the early hours of the morning before ESPN's Kevin Seifert makes his weekly trip in-studio to discuss Carson Wentz's injury and how the Vikings handled it, JJ McCarthy coming back and the issues the team has had defensively against top-tier quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is your last night baseball felt like the national
past time once again. Leader fan Fan Radio Network's Pretty
Good and k fa N dot Com. Two minutes twenty
four seconds past three o'clock Central daylight time, we welcome
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you back to the Bumper to Bumper program on a
very murky Tuesday here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis
and Saint Paul Guards. He produces the show. My name
is Dan Barrero, former Ringstine Retch newspaper the Twin Cities.
We are again going the distance today, that means all
the way until six thirty tonight. Both of our guests
are expected in studio today. Lou Nanny in the five
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o'clock hour. I'm shocked, very shocked that he's still here
given the weather conditions, we have any need. I don't
even think we've hit fifty today, have we? Or if
we have not much north of fifty or fifty one
right now? Okay, well, I don't think we're gonna get
mu warmer than that. That's way too chilly for him.
Despite his Sussaint Marie Roots and Kevin Seffert in studio.
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It's scheduled to join us about thirty minutes from now.
Seafert and Luigi Those are only two scheduled guests at
the moment. Brad Shawn Brian kafein text line is open
at six four, six, eight six as well. I'm assuming,
maybe I shouldn't that you did not stay up for
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the eighteen inning Game three of the World Series last
night or this morning, you assume correctly. Here's where I
feel really proud about the way it went for me
last night. I'm not gonna lie and pretend that I
watched the last four or five six innings, but you
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know what I did do said to myself, I'm kind
of tuckered on a little tie. I don't think I
have it in me to stay with it on the TV.
So I turned down the radio. Wow, and I listened
to the last two innings as I'm dozing like it.
But I woke up to the excited cries of whoever
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was doing the radio This is I think via sirius,
whoever was doing the radio play by play of the
game winning Freddie Freeman walk off home run That was
at eleven fifty pm Pacific time, correct, So that would
be one fifty yes here. And I felt like a
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kid again because I'm one of those people, one of
those old time guys, old enough to have often listened
to baseball, the national pastime, on the radio. So I
felt kind of good. At first, I felt guilty. I
gotta stay up for this. This is unbelievable. You gotta
watch it, I said, Do I really well, how about
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if I play it halfway? And I got it on
the radio and I can at least tell myself, well,
this is how you used to listen on the transistor radio.
This wasn't transistor. This is my phone, which can also
double as a radio. It can via online purposes. And
I heard the game winner if it was kind of
cool because it had so many elements of what you
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could say as I mentioned once upon a time, boys
and girls. And I know this is difficult for people
to believe. Baseball was easily the most popular sport in
the United States of America, and it wasn't close. Football
wasn't close to how big and mythic Major League Baseball was.
And I don't know that you can get any more
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mythic than what took place over six hours, thirty nine
minutes last night. Dodgers six, Toronto Blue Jays five. Is
it the pivotal game. There are some people saying the
Dodgers are not gonna They're gonna win the next two
and it's gonna be over. I'm not exactly sure about that,
but it had a lot of really really entertaining elements,
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not the least of which, of course, was again I
still feel like because baseball is not the national pass
time anymore. Yeah, the Otani phenomenon I still don't believe
is getting the do beyond the ball guys. It's just
not nationally it's not permeating the way it should. He
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reached base nine times last night, nine times, nine times,
four extra base hits in his first four at bats.
He gets intentionally walked four times the rest of the way,
and they pitch around him another time. And to boot,
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he's the starting pitcher in Game four tonight. I mean,
you can't make that out. He takes the ball to night.
He takes the ball tonight after being the one of
the dominant offensive players. Yet again, we're we're seeing something
boys and girls that we're not gonna see. I don't
want to say ever, but I think it's unlikely we're
going to see it in a long, long time. I mean,
this stuff. I'm trying to project if this was an
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NFL player, if this was an NBA player, even Yeah,
I feel like all the shows would be on Tilt,
all the national sports shows, and I still don't believe.
I mean a lot of us aren't. I'm not as
plugged into baseball as I used to be a lot
of I'm not blaming anybody, nor am I, but I
do think that it's actually an underplayed story. The ball
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guys get it. The people who still adhere to, you know,
the ways and means of baseball and still think of
baseball for them as the national pastime, they get it.
But I'd say the vast majority of people absolutely have
no idea what they're either watching or missing.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
They're not even paying attention to it. They just kind
of go oh, Tony had another big game.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Bill Simmons had a funny tweet. He took a video
he was sitting like right behind the place last night.
He's la guy and it was a tiny second home
run I think the one the opposite field, and his
caption was they stopped pitching to Otani after this. Yeah,
that's all he said, By the way, to get you
ready for tonight. I'm minded. We you can do it.
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Maybe during the break all of us including you can
listen to ESPN Radio and the World Series on the
iHeart radio app. So maybe make that a preset tonight,
and then you don't even have to worry about, you know,
finding your serious or you don't have to make a decision.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You just go to your iHeart as. Do you get
a text on that? No, I just off off the
top of my head. I just came up with this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I wasn't urged at all by anybody in management or
my direct boss. But you've you can move the Timberwolves
channel down one pre set, or just put it right
next to the Wolves channel and listen to ESPN Radio.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
By the way, I know the debate's broken out about
whether it's fair game to walk him intentionally that many times,
whether you know you're you're you're kind of destroying the
of competition. Why at some point you got to go
out and come on, want us play the game? I
have zero? You want to try to win the game zero?
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I mean, this is not your average slugger. This guy's unprecedented.
I have zero. That's part of that, That's always been
part of the strategy. Of baseball. To be honest, you
don't always challenge people. In fact, sometimes challenging that player
is stupid and reckless, and you can say, well, that's
really not what competition is supposed to be. Maybe if
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you're Jack Morris, I get it, But even him, I
think there's times where you say discretion is a better
form of valor We're not gonna let this guy beat
us because he's already beating us. He's already beaten everybody
so often. Now is it disappointing to people who I
want to see another reel at bat? Yeah, I want
to see what he can do with it to that extent, yeah,
But the fact is they did pitch to him. They
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pitched to him plenty, and they got tired of him
tattooing the ball out of the ballpark or for extra
base hits.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, what's the comeback if they do pitch to him
and he wins the game in the fourteenth inning? Why
are you pitching to a time that's anybody's saying that
the act of pitch, certainly pitching around hitters is as
old as the game.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Of course, now intentional walks, you can say, what's the line,
But I'm just not going to give him anything good.
How many times has a pitching coach walked out to
the mount or manager and said, don't give him anything
to swing it a lot? Correct? That surprising? So it was.
It was actually kind of cool to hear the call
in that way and to sort of be transformed back
to the way a lot of us used to listen
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to baseball. And that's as I said it. You can
listen to any sport obviously on the radio, on the
iHeart app, whatever the case may be. But there is
I still think something romantic about baseball in the radio,
and I was, I was, I kind of sent back
to exactly that eighteen innings correct, Yes, so that game
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East Coast ended just before three. It did. Yeah, it's awesome. Imagine,
by the way, an eighteen inning game before the shot
clock that probably would would they'd still be playing potentially,
or at least it'd be a lot longer in terms
of number of hours. Six hours thirty nine minutes, Yeah,
it would be. I bet you in the old days
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would be closer to seven thirty nine. I liked what
you got that going for. I liked how Jeff Passton wrote.
He called it a relief, because holding your breath for
hours on end is not a sustainable way to live. No,
that's that's I'd love to know the numbers as the
game went on, because there's there are like you say,
baseball not what it once was, right, Yes, and it's
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the Dodgers in the Blue Jays. Obviously, the Dodgers are
a huge market, the blue Jays not a huge draw.
But to see if the numbers were always told about
the Twitter tune ins that we have to get. Hey,
koc is talking to Paul Allen. Listen now, Kevin Seffert's
coming up in twenty minutes. Listen now.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
As people are reacting to the crazy stuff that was
happening as the night went on, I'd love to know
if and how the audience built.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's a great question. As the night went on, word
of mouth go, wait a minute, there's still the World
Series game is still going. And then I do think
for some people they go, well, this is starting to
look historic. Yes, I might want to get in on
it totally, even if I wasn't in on it from
the beginning, I might want to get in on that.
And there and you don't have and there's nothing I
don't think there's anything rippable about that. I know problem
with it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Even if I'm locked into Wolves Nuggets on Peacock, I'm
happy to switch the triple double by the way, you see,
of course, a seventh triple double.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That guy, I swear to God man that guy, well
who said it yesterday, Johnny, he's already born. He may
already be borderline top ten player of all time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I know he's crazy, I know, and he's got a
supporting castes.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, that Murray has rarely played that way against us,
and I don't know if he's healthier. I don't know
if it's because Aunt wasn't there to harass him some,
or naw wasn't there to harass him some. That's a
different Jamal. If he's if he plays anywhere close to
that level, that's how they won the title. We might
be in trouble again. Yeah, that's how they won the title.
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Speaker 1 (11:41):
Jeff calling from Monacello World Series. Last night, I tuned
in at about nine to fifteen to watch the last
readings of the game. I still like baseball, especially I
assume it means last innings. This could be a dictated text.
I still like baseball, especially the World Series. Next thing
I know, I couldn't turn it off, and I'm going
to bed at two o'clock in the morning. Great game.
Baseball's back for at least another week or two. And
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in Saint Paul, Dan, the baseball game sustained so long
that the Commanders played a full football game in Kansas
City on MNF boarded their playing and made it back
to DC shortly after the baseball game ended. That's very
well played, Dan. Uh don't tell you this. But the
pitch clock is not used in the postseason. Well that's false.
It is used in the post season. They may not
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make as big an issue. Part of I mean, the
success of the pitchclock is maybe you don't even notice
it as much. And I don't think pet strange that
everybody's kind of trained. That was the whole idea. Here's
what's starting to get a little scary. The number of
as baseball games are shortening the time of game for
NBA games, it's going up. Yeah, it's getting longer. There
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are a bunch of games in the like two thirty
to forty in a couple of cases range. I don't
know what. I don't know what's happening, what's bleeding there,
or why that's that trend seems to be growing. I
feel like the media timeouts are very long. That could
be some of it. I feel like there's a lot
of timeouts. Again, there's too many games in an NBA season,
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just like a baseball for the average now, I don't
know that the average is two forty. That might be
still be an outlier, but the fact that you have
any of those things going on not very good. Wol's
games started late because we were the second game of
the national double header, and we had a terrific first
half after a relatively slow start, turned it big time
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in the second quarter and couldn't sustain it, which may
not be all that surprising. The head coach pretty frontal
after the game. Yeah, goes after Jaden and and Rudy
and everybody. Defensively. Again, no Anthony Edwards, which we knew
was going to have some impact, but we talked about
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this with Johnny Athletic, Denver's supporting cast is vastly you
know who I'm guessing wishes he had this supporting cast
in Denver. It's the former Nuggets coach Michael Malone. Mike Malone,
you think he say, you know, if I'd have had
that supporting cast around Joker, I think I don't think
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people would be as mad at me for being unhappy
with the supporting cast I had before. They're gonna be
a tough out. I'm not saying they're unbeatable by any means,
but as you mentioned, Murray was was good and Joker
was just Joker. I mean it just what he is. Man.
He just makes the right play so often, the last
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pass to get to that tenth assist that that may
have been a box score stuffer, but I've never been
offended by the way he gets to his triple doubles.
It because generally they feel like they are helping the
team win, right, So what do we care even if
it is there's somebody at the bench going, hey, you
need one more assist? Yeah. To me, he's just a
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winning players what he is, and he probably he looks liberated.
I bet you he's excited because he feels like I
got more people around me that might give me a
chance to win this thing, including a legitimate, at least
to a degree, backup center, which they hadn't had. Is
that Cam Robinson? No, that's uh one of the Eastern Europeans.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Who's name now? Because I know they got somebody from
Brooklyn right. I was listening to the day Moore pomecasting.
They had Alan Horton on and Horton is just bitter
with the Nets for basically giving away icy get Yeah. No,
that's that's their important players correct to help the Nuggets.
That's that's part of where the Nuggets are. I guess
you could say improved.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But last year didn't they have who was their back
wasn't their backup center DeAndre Jordan the team for a while.
I really want to think about Valanchonis is now the
backup yet he's the guy they brought in and is
the is the backup center? Cam Johnson is who you're thinking?
Is that what you said? Yes? Cam Johnson is he's
a he's a he's a swing po wing player and
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he is he missed some shots early, but he's very
helpful to them and they took Michael Porter off they did,
which I think was a helpful, a helpful move. Yeah,
I really do so. In any case, well, I don't
even know why I was going down this particular road,
but the trip that game ended well late because it
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started late, right eight thirty, and then it was pretty
easy to you know, see where it was going. I
stayed with it fairly late, and I think Finchy called
off the dogs like two and a half minutes to
go and start putting in the kids and putting in
the the scrubs. And you know, again, I hope you know.
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The prediction is Edwards is going to miss a couple
of weeks. Right, that's it. We'll see if that's indeed
the case. Let me get a couple more baseball related
uh text, very hard to keep up with Jamal Murray
on a heater like he was cooking last night. Either
you lock him down, letting Joker get his, or you
keep pace with your own high volume score. Who was absent? Yeah,
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all I can tell you is when Murray has not
looked right to me for a while last year, and
again I don't know if it was mental, physical or both.
He looks different now. He's not going to go forty
every night. Last night he was on a heater. That
was some of it. He just looked healthier, He looked lighter.
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I don't mean like in terms of his body weight,
I'm turning. I'm talking about his head. He just everything
seemed better about what he was he was doing. Watched
the whole game, just praying the Toronto wouldn't win. I
think it. Ankal does not like the Jays. Oh that's
apparently it was on believable Now again, a lot of
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people have a hard time rooting for the Dodgers payroll
approaching half a billion. They can just do whatever whatever
they want and still make money. I mean, that's that's
that's the sick thing about the case the Dodgers. I
think they're still making I think they're making so much
money internationally, sure in Japan alone, that they probably make
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up whatever that huge payroll disparity is as well. Talk
about the World Series game last night, Dan and the
records that were broken had to be numerous, not only
the longest game as far as innings, but also time
of game. But that was just one example. Tany had
nine plate appearances, was on base every time as we
did mention just incredible. This is Tom from Columbia Heights.
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I really appreciate two non ball guys that you two
are putting that game over. You're a real breath of
fresh air. I've heard all day is people crying that
the game ended so late. Come on, and how we
need to eliminate the intentional walk? What's wrong with people?
I don't, honestly, I don't know. And I mean I'm
Danny Downer, but I don't know how you if you
just follow the story, how is how is that your
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takeaway from it? I don't. It's I guess that falls
into classification of that that there's really nothing that you're
going to allow to ever be mythic or semi mythic, right,
I mean, you're just you're just you're going. It makes
no sense to me. The intentional walk has always been
a part of the game, as it should be, and
it's disappointing. I get it. In one uh to one respect,
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somebody said that either the pitching coach or the manager
came out before one of his appearances, was out there
for like twenty minutes, and then you know, I'm sure
to say be careful with him, and then he crushed
one yep on that at bad almost immediately. So I
I what I mean, if every game, or every every
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World Series game lasted that long, probably that would get old.
We'd probably changed some things. But isn't that what we
wait for? I mean, in all honesty, baseball has been
a song worst enemy for decades, there's no question. But
one of the saving graces of baseball has been historically
when it mattered to people, there is no time limit.
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Michaeh nine, Michael eleven, Michael twelve. And in the postseason,
we don't have the phantom base runner, right, and so
you got to do it the hard way exactly. So
that was one of the beauties of the game. Yeah,
every once in a while you might have a World
Series game that goes eighteen innings. Yeah, exactly. I don't
So I haven't heard. Is that a lot of people
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have been I hadn't heard that. You're worrying to me
about the wrong things. Yeah, that's your takeaway out of
a game like that, The strategy of continually saying we're
not going to let this guy beat you. That's not
non competitive. That's a smart basis, that's smart. Exactly. You're
trying to win. You're you're trying to win the damn
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game in the end, aren't you? You give them the base?
I see it in the house. He's right behind me.
That's a ball guy. Mean, we'll talk to Seyfford a
little about that. I think Steford and I might be
arguing a little bit today. Regarding the Wentz quarterback controversy,
which is ongoing. We'll see, We'll find out just the
way he has characterized a few things via X makes
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me wonder the head coach talked about it a little
bit today with PA. Is that correct he did? We'll
get into all that. With Seafert, we'll get in another
things regarding this football tea. We haven't had a chance
to talk to Seffert since the debacle on Thursday night
in Los Angeles. Correct, we have not. He's not been
on the program. Is the season done? In effect? All
those things will be explored if you have questions. Brat
Shawn brad kfan text line is six four six all right,
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Kevin Seffert is in the house. Questions for him via
the bratshaw Brid cafe and text line at six four
six eight six. You did not have a chance. You're
a big red eye guy from the West Coast. But
not practical given it was a night game. Is that correct.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's a correct I looked into it, But it would
have I would have the whole trip would have been
meaningless if I had to leave in the fourth.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Was there any thought of you leaving the game early? Well,
that would give it was just one sided as it was.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, we had to go down there and grill the contestants,
so we can't.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Really didn't grill According to the emails text I've seen tweets,
you guys were sawing. We laid Yeah, we let them
off the hood happened.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, it's I guess the only way to properly get
the information is to scream at them until they're on
their knees begging for forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, even though I think we didn't show car he
didn't show Carson wentz any mercy.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
No, that is that is accurate and he uh and
the fight thing is like, I mean, that was one
of the big complaints that we didn't hold them accoun funtable.
And actually, whether you like the answers or not, I
think O'Connell did address everything that needed for the most part.
That needed to be addressed that night, and so did
Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, part of the I think in part of this
gets I think misunderstood. The job you guys are in
is to ask the questions, then he answers, and then
the average group can decide is that a satisfactory answer
to me? Or does that sound half asked? Right? I mean,
that's that always is there. But that's the bit that's
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your job. Your job is to get him to answer
the question. And just because the average listener might not
find the answer satisfactory, I would say, well, that's part
of the point. Then you have every right to judge
and say, well I didn't like that he's sidestepping the
most important issue, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And it's okay on our end to like follow up
and yeah, they didn't really answer the question. You know,
you were trying to get information. We're not trying to correct,
get to generate humility, or to try to get them
to change their viewpoint.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So here's my most important quote crucial question today. Have
we found it? We got to get another QB, don't
we We have to have three? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, I think that's you know, just a matter of course,
Kevin O'Connell talked today to Pa and he said he
sort of referenced that. But what's clear is that the
top two guys moving forward are going to be McCarthy
and Max Brosmer. And so whether they try to sign
Brett Rippen off the Colts practice squad or had him before,
didn't we had him last year and then camp or
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uh Desmond Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Desmond BANEBA player keep wanting to call him Spencer Rattler
but Desmond ritter yea for a cup of coffee.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yah, he was here for a couple of weeks. Uh
after the McCarthy injury as well.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Probably not realistic or is it silly?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Like?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Like is it necessary?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think would be the the key thing, And I
guess it would come down to do they judge themselves
to be in position to challenge for you know, a
playoff spot slash division title and do they not?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I mean they want to play McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So the only way that a Kirk Cousins trade would
make sense is to be a strong backup if McCarthy
gets hurt again.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And that's that's quite a luxury at this point, that's true.
I guess you're right. It's the idea is, if worst
case scenario, you get two quarterbacks hurt, you got to
have somebody else play the position. That's probably not Cousins.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Baker threw for three thousand years. Nice option, but I
don't think that's a long term option.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Very very true, Davy. So, I don't know. The debate
has continued regarding the O'Connell approach with Wentz. My position
continues to be as follows. I'm looking at the box score.
I'm looking at the play by play. We score six
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plays twenty six yards to at the twenty four to ten,
and the third they counter by going seventy three yards
in twelve plays. It's now thirty one to ten. Right,
we early in how much time, relatively early in the
early in the fourth quarter. Then we get the ball
back and on the second play from scrimmage, Wentz over.
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That's the overthrow on JJ. I think correct that interception. Okay,
I believe so. To me at that point, I don't
care how much pride he has. I don't care why he,
you know, misses that he hasn't had many chances to play.
The game's over. I am proclaiming it without a sign
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that it's over. As head coach, and I'm telling Carson
Wentz you're over by me, and the comeback to that
has been well, but what if another you sacrifice another quarterback?
Not because you're trying to win, because I'm not trying
to win at that point, I'm just trying to get
out of dodge. And I think it is borderline abusive
no matter how much he's his quarterback, Carson Wentz raising
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it handsy, I'm fine. I'm gonna play this thing out
to continue to put him on the field, especially for
a coach who views himself as this humanitarian as much
as a football coach. And is there a risk with
Brosmer a little? But you run the ball a lot,
you throw a lot of short passes, you get out
of dodge. To me, for me, it was never about well,
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Wentz has played so badly, you got to put somebody
else out there to see what might happen. For me,
it's game's over and I'm not going to continue to
watch him WinCE. Carson Wentz in pain, like he's dying
out there every fifty every two plays, and I'm calling it.
Why is that unreasonable?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I don't think it's. I mean, in the overall scheme
of the world. It's definitely not unreasonable. I've had that happened.
Maybe some people would have said, well, you're giving up,
and you only have seventeen of these games, and now
you've given up, and you came back from a thirty
three not than you know, a few years ago or
whatever it was, and there's been a lot of comebacks,
so I guess they potentially would have a segment of
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people criticizing them for that, which by definition means it
was a no win situation.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But you know, there was definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I mean, there was football reasons for why he did it,
and there were moral reasons to argue that he shouldn't
have that he should have taken him out and football
went out, and you know, I think that's what he's
made pretty clear. His answer Thursday night was that Carson
understood the circumstances and that it was asking too much
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to ask a rookie to and the circumstances were, you're
you're sacrificed. You know, you're sacrificing yourself. We're sacrificing you
to protect. Frankly, two assets that they valued more in
the long term, which are McCarthy and Brosmer and we
can certainly argue about whether that's savage or sedition or
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realistic or the way the game is played. But I think,
like to me, it's pretty clear where he landed on
that spectrum.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It is, and I would submit that if Mike Zimmer
did the same thing, he would be called a neanderthal
for doing it.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well, And I think O'Connor's taking it pretty good from
the fan base. I don't know if they're using words
like that or like, you know, if we're getting into
the cutting the animal's heads off, yes, and whatnot, And
we've generally understood O'Connell not to be that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, Yeah, that for me, that goes out the window.
That's what I'm saying. You can't with a straight face
come to me with that. I'm not even saying what
he did isn't the same thing a lot of coaches
would have done. But then you have to stop pretending
that somehow you you you grade yourself in a different
way on a humanitarian scale, because there was nothing humanitarian.
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And again that to me, the head coach he can
hide behind. Carson knew what he was in for, and
we talked to doctors. Yeah, although I've heard some interesting
things behind the scenes. Maybe about that not all doctors
necessarily agree either with the decision whatever, if that was
the recommendation. But in the end, you are the head coach. Yeah,
so you can unilatterly say Carson did not in any
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way pull himself. Let me make that clear. I made
a decision under these circumstances, because we're never gonna know
if even if if the the the whatever surgery they
have to do, the damage got worse or not on
the basis of what took place in that game. They're
gonna they're gonna say it didn't. They're gonna say the break,
the the mechanism, they had him attached to her and
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made sure that nothing like that was gonna We're never
gonna know that, though.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
No, and no, probably not. And you know, I would
also say though that there's a difference between being a
humanitarian in public in the real world and being a
humanitarian and the football. Yeah, I agree that, because that
because that becomes like and you might have some thoughts
and it's like, and I haven't had a chance to
talk to many players about this or not, but do
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we think that the players necessarily viewed this as unnecessarily
savage A great question, or is this you know, two
weeks ago Brian O'Neil played seventy plays with the sprained MCL.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
The camera is not on him.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Because he's not a quarterback, he may not be as
an expressive of a pain shower as Carson Wentz was
in that particular case. And I will say that Carson
said that he's been in paining a lot. This was
probably the most pain he's ever been in a game.
And so I'm not trying to draw an equivalent between
Brian O'Neil two weeks ago with the the MCL sprain
and what Carson was going through. But you know, and
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I have always tried to be very like cognizant of
not being neanderthal football guy and expecting the NFL to
do more from a health and safety standpoint, and having
witnessed a fair bit of that you know, evolution over
the years, I don't want to then fall back and say, well,
this is you know, the game is savage, and that's
the way it is.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And so this I think this was an extreme case.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But I do think that on a weekly basis, on
every field in the NFL, there are people paying playing
in some levels to up to extreme pain and maybe
we don't always know about it because it's not the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I agree with that. I just I think I
get it. Three touchdowns we've seen, you know, people can
convince themselves that the game is not over, but the
eye test said that game was over. Yeah. And again
I don't even know after the pick whether the Chargers
scored again or not. Yeah, I think they.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Goal.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, that's exactly here's the I N T field goal.
So now it's thirty four to ten. I say I'd said,
we appreciate you if you want to. If anybody wants
to be mad at me for pulling the plug, that's fine,
I'll do it. But that's the end of it. I
don't know. I'm I'm still very much surprised that this
isn't an easy for me. It was an easy cat
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all on the basis of again because some people wanted
to switch because they're so excited about Rosmer that they
want to see him. And I'm even here to tell
you that I'm not putting him out there for that
reason because it's an unfair, uh situation we may be
put into in terms of evaluating him on how good
does he look, I'm saying, well, that you can't judge
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him on that game based on the circumstances. You're on
the road, the offensive line is a disaster, and the
game is pretty much over. I am saying, yeah, I'm
gonna take my chances that he might get hurt because
I I can control that to a degree by by
not dropping my quarterback path on deep drops at all,
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and handing the ball off and and and quick kicking
if I need.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
To, and and and and that's and it's you know,
it's a tough one. And I think like it also
opens up the question of okay, you know again, you know, yeah,
there's the injuries happened. But like if you if your
starter is dealing with what we now know and this
and this is an important point, like this all happened
in the Browns game. It's not like he you know,
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all the information about the injury came out yesterday, But
he had the torn lay room and he had the
fractured socket shoulder socket, you know, three weeks ago. So
it's not as if so they walked into this game
knowing that that's the injury and that this is the
potential for pain on a short week and they went
in with a you know you, I mean, you could
make an argument that they needed to have a better
option as a backup quarterback if you if the backup
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quarterback is a guy you're only going to put in
in certain situations, or you're going to try to protect him,
or you think that it could hurt his development.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Understood, But like.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
From a team building standpoint, even if it's just for
one game, like, don't you need to have a quarterback
that you're ready to put in when.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
The time Yeah, when the time calls, can you make
the argument?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
And not for performance reasons, but for for morality, for
moral like one of the reasons he's saying he didn't
put him in there was because he didn't want to
essentially expose him to the carnage. And like you need
to have I mean, at every position you need to have.
This wasn't like you'd already have a quarterback hurt and
this is the second and then now it's a third,
Like the backup quarterback should be available to go in
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independent of the carnage.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So it's basically what this is telling me is whence
his mistake was not going to the silent and say
I can't go anymore. Yeah, but at that point the
head coach has no choice. But I but I what
I'm saying is I get the football mentality, I really do.
But I would not have based on what I saw
with notwithstanding a color analyst guy who guards he was
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talking about yesterday, H Street herb Street basically, San, Hey,
you got you know you're showing too much whift on
that yea badly that he he I would because can
you make the argument even with A you can't play
McCarthy yet, obviously, even if Brosmer is an undrafted free agent,
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he's been around you since, you know, the for the
entire offseason, can you make the argument that healthy QB
then I mean, might have actually given you a better
chance to have a couple of good plays compared to
I mean, how much is it fair to say that
Wentz was was limited beyond just and and we assume
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not so much because it's his left arm, but he
sure as hell looked to me like he was off
as much as anything physically, as much as mental.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I mean, think about doing anything, Think about doing the
radio show when you're in excruciating pain, Think about doing
like like I mean, it just it is the chance
of being at your peak performance when you're in that
kind of pain is not is not high. And I
don't think anyone thinks that he was. How do we
know it didn't get worse? I mean we know that's
what they're scientist talk to themselves. But example, the brace
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he had on whatever they the contraption had on him
for that game was far more elaborate than they had
the two previous weeks, right, fair to say, so that
to me, he says, well, some and some going on.
I think that was part of that was probably the
fact that he didn't get as much recovery time in between.
But I talked to somebody yesterday said like, you know,
you can never say one hundred percent that and this
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was a medical person. You can never say one hundred
percent that it's not gonna get worse, because there's there's
ways for everything to get worse. Uh, the damages are
already done. But what about when you compensate? You know,
Brian O'Neal we were talking earlier, he played on and then
he didn't play because he had been compensating and his
left knee got swelled up, and so uh, there you
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can never say with one hundred percent certainty that it
couldn't that it couldn't get worse. And I can't tell
you right now that it didn't somehow get worse. It
was a you know, there was a there was a
you know, a fork in the road, and he took
and he took that, and I think he opened himself
up to the criticism. And based on what I heard
today with him from PA, like he's not having any
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second thoughts about it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
All right, the we have more than half the season
yet to go. The team is sitting at what three
and four? Yeah, it feels like the season is teetering,
given who you got to play this week? Really, what
your schedule is the next four or five weeks, notwithstanding
the Bears game? Right, So is it? I mean? Are we?
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Are we pretty if they lose to Detroit? Are we
then at a point where, in an odd sort of way,
the Vikings and koc can relax and say, we're we
We don't really have anything to worry about regarding competing ideas.
You know, whether we're going for it this year or not.
With all the free agent picks we've made now it's
pretty clear we're not going anywhere this year, and we
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can give the young quarterback the opportunity to make this
mistakes that he's going to inevitably make to get him
to a better place a Lah the new England quarterback
from a year ago, Rick Maye. I think that's going
to happen regardless. I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
He would have to perform at such a low level
for them to feel like they need to bench him,
assuming that he's healthy, right that, like I think, I mean,
he's going to be the starter absent playing at like
a middle school level frankly, for the rest of the year,
and he should be seven of the first eight quarters. No,
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like even worse, that was pretty middle schools. I'd say
that was it was maybe big big tennis.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
And so.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
That whether you know they somehow be Detroit this weekend
or not, like, that's the from a long term team building,
uh perspective, that is the number one priority here is
to get him the development time he needs and enough
of us, you know, to get him better, but also
to be able to make a intelligent decision this offseason,
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you know. And it's crazy to be talking about that
already with ten games to go, but he's already missed
twenty three of his first twenty five I think is
what it is. He needs to give them a large
enough sample size so that they can reasonably go into
next season with him as their starter or not if
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they think that what they've seen tells him, they can't
do that and go find You know that next year
is Daniel Jones, and it doesn't mean they you give
up on I certainly don't think that there's any scenario
where they would give up on him by the end
of this year, but maybe, you know, change gears in
terms of the speed with which he's going to assume
the full time job and whether that means taking a
(40:21):
step back next year if necessary or not. They need,
they need data to make that decision, and so I
can't foresee a scenario realistically speaking, that he's not the
starter for every game for the rest of the year
unless there's an injury.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Until there's an injury, I go with, Wow, we don't
know he's going to start against Detroit. Uh, he's got
to prove he's healthy enough. Everybody's saying and assuming it. Now,
let's let's let's see it, let me see him, Let's
see the ankle hold up through a week of practice
that my three days into practice this week.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I don't think KOC would have let Carson Wentz gets
the surgery of wasn't ready to go throwing him back
out there.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He's got a backup anymore.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Keny, I think they knew Thursday that McCarthy was going
to start, and that was part of leaving Wentz in
the game.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Seven to six to three. Guy Rights. I think Herbstreet's
comments are being misinterpreted. I believe he's saying that if
he's showing that much pain, he shouldn't be on the field.
That's another interesting wrinkle. I don't know if that was
his motivation. I will say I didn't hear it, it's
it's if it's but if you're the head coach, to
be honest, the optics of that would inform me and
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perhaps lead me to the direction of I'm pulling them.
Because he whatever Wentz might have said about I want
to stay there, he looked like he was dying.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Well, And to be fair, I think that it was
after his last play because it was very late in
the game, and so by the time they got the
ball back there was like two minutes left. If I'm
remembering the order of things, and so that is when
Brozmurk came in. I think I think the very the
I think Wentz's last play he got it on like
a fourth down and it was incomplete, so the offenses
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off the field, and that's when he came out the
field and threw his helmet and was basically, you know,
trying to stay conscious. And I'm pretty sure that by
the time the Theys got the ball back, that's when
Brozemer came in.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Six one two, guy asks this, how can you properly
evaluate any quarterback with this offensive line? I mean, it's
not that.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
First of all, it's the end of part of evaluating
a quarterback is can he can he perform in less
than ideal circumstances?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
So was the Chargers offensive line kind of screwed up?
And they weren't they down to like their third or
fourth or fifth string running back? The running back.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yes, they did get the left tack of the Joe
all back. He had not played, but like that and
every team doesn't and they will. And to be frank like,
the way things are trending, they should have both Darrisaw
and O'Neil on the field this week and so that
would give them four of their five, you know, as
close as they've been to health all year. But I
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I don't think it's impossible to evaluate a quarterback when
things are not perfect around them. In fact that in
some ways it's preferable because it gives you a more
realistic evaluation of how he can do in what circumstances
typically are in the NFL, which is less than perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
All Right, we got a lot of texts have come in.
We'll make this the top of the hour pause. I
do want to discuss other things, including the state of
the of the Vikings defense. So there's some hard questions
we going to need to start asking there as well.
Six four six eighty six is the branch on Bryant
cafan text line number Louis is scheduled in studio probably
about five o'clock or so. It's a hugely calamitous day
(43:40):
on the Minnesota sports calendar. Calamity guards ye, especially related
to your favorite football team, the Golden Gophers. Are you
aware of that? It's amazing? Famili many there are today
and maybe I forgot.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
It's the fall. Everybody's in now, everybody's playing. There's a
lot of options.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, Unfortunately, in the history of this program. There's quite
a few, so we'll get to all of that before
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This is your last night baseball felt like the national
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you back to the Bumper to Bumper program on a
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and Saint Paul Guards. He produces the show. My name
is Dan Barrero, former Ringstine Retch newspaper the Twin Cities.
We are again going the distance today, that means all
the way until six thirty tonight. Both of our guests
are expected in studio today. Lou Nanny in the five
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o'clock hour. I'm shocked, very shocked that he's still here
given the weather conditions, we have any need. I don't
even think we've hit fifty today, have we? Or if
we have not much north of fifty or fifty one
right now? Okay, well, I don't think we're gonna get
mu warmer than that. That's way too chilly for him.
Despite his Sussaint Marie Roots and Kevin Seffert in studio.
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It's scheduled to join us about thirty minutes from now.
Seafert and Luigi Those are only two scheduled guests at
the moment. Brad Shawn Brian kafein text line is open
at six four, six, eight six as well. I'm assuming,
maybe I shouldn't that you did not stay up for
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the eighteen inning Game three of the World Series last
night or this morning, you assume correctly. Here's where I
feel really proud about the way it went for me
last night. I'm not gonna lie and pretend that I
watched the last four or five six innings, but you
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know what I did do said to myself, I'm kind
of tuckered on a little tie. I don't think I
have it in me to stay with it on the TV.
So I turned down the radio. Wow, and I listened
to the last two innings as I'm dozing like it.
But I woke up to the excited cries of whoever
(02:16):
was doing the radio This is I think via sirius,
whoever was doing the radio play by play of the
game winning Freddie Freeman walk off home run That was
at eleven fifty pm Pacific time, correct, So that would
be one fifty yes here. And I felt like a
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kid again because I'm one of those people, one of
those old time guys, old enough to have often listened
to baseball, the national pastime, on the radio. So I
felt kind of good. At first, I felt guilty. I
gotta stay up for this. This is unbelievable. You gotta
watch it, I said, Do I really well, how about
(02:58):
if I play it halfway? And I got it on
the radio and I can at least tell myself, well,
this is how you used to listen on the transistor radio.
This wasn't transistor. This is my phone, which can also
double as a radio. It can via online purposes. And
I heard the game winner if it was kind of
cool because it had so many elements of what you
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could say as I mentioned once upon a time, boys
and girls. And I know this is difficult for people
to believe. Baseball was easily the most popular sport in
the United States of America, and it wasn't close. Football
wasn't close to how big and mythic Major League Baseball was.
And I don't know that you can get any more
(03:39):
mythic than what took place over six hours, thirty nine
minutes last night. Dodgers six, Toronto Blue Jays five. Is
it the pivotal game. There are some people saying the
Dodgers are not gonna They're gonna win the next two
and it's gonna be over. I'm not exactly sure about that,
but it had a lot of really really entertaining elements,
(04:05):
not the least of which, of course, was again I
still feel like because baseball is not the national pass
time anymore. Yeah, the Otani phenomenon I still don't believe
is getting the do beyond the ball guys. It's just
not nationally it's not permeating the way it should. He
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reached base nine times last night, nine times, nine times,
four extra base hits in his first four at bats.
He gets intentionally walked four times the rest of the way,
and they pitch around him another time. And to boot,
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he's the starting pitcher in Game four tonight. I mean,
you can't make that out. He takes the ball to night.
He takes the ball tonight after being the one of
the dominant offensive players. Yet again, we're we're seeing something
boys and girls that we're not gonna see. I don't
want to say ever, but I think it's unlikely we're
going to see it in a long, long time. I mean,
this stuff. I'm trying to project if this was an
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NFL player, if this was an NBA player, even Yeah,
I feel like all the shows would be on Tilt,
all the national sports shows, and I still don't believe.
I mean a lot of us aren't. I'm not as
plugged into baseball as I used to be a lot
of I'm not blaming anybody, nor am I, but I
do think that it's actually an underplayed story. The ball
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guys get it. The people who still adhere to, you know,
the ways and means of baseball and still think of
baseball for them as the national pastime, they get it.
But I'd say the vast majority of people absolutely have
no idea what they're either watching or missing.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
They're not even paying attention to it. They just kind
of go oh, Tony had another big game.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Bill Simmons had a funny tweet. He took a video
he was sitting like right behind the place last night.
He's la guy and it was a tiny second home
run I think the one the opposite field, and his
caption was they stopped pitching to Otani after this. Yeah,
that's all he said, By the way, to get you
ready for tonight. I'm minded. We you can do it.
(06:16):
Maybe during the break all of us including you can
listen to ESPN Radio and the World Series on the
iHeart radio app. So maybe make that a preset tonight,
and then you don't even have to worry about, you know,
finding your serious or you don't have to make a decision.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You just go to your iHeart as. Do you get
a text on that? No, I just off off the
top of my head. I just came up with this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I wasn't urged at all by anybody in management or
my direct boss. But you've you can move the Timberwolves
channel down one pre set, or just put it right
next to the Wolves channel and listen to ESPN Radio.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
By the way, I know the debate's broken out about
whether it's fair game to walk him intentionally that many times,
whether you know you're you're you're kind of destroying the
of competition. Why at some point you got to go
out and come on, want us play the game? I
have zero? You want to try to win the game zero?
(07:08):
I mean, this is not your average slugger. This guy's unprecedented.
I have zero. That's part of that, That's always been
part of the strategy. Of baseball. To be honest, you
don't always challenge people. In fact, sometimes challenging that player
is stupid and reckless, and you can say, well, that's
really not what competition is supposed to be. Maybe if
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you're Jack Morris, I get it, But even him, I
think there's times where you say discretion is a better
form of valor We're not gonna let this guy beat
us because he's already beating us. He's already beaten everybody
so often. Now is it disappointing to people who I
want to see another reel at bat? Yeah, I want
to see what he can do with it to that extent, yeah,
But the fact is they did pitch to him. They
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pitched to him plenty, and they got tired of him
tattooing the ball out of the ballpark or for extra
base hits.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, what's the comeback if they do pitch to him
and he wins the game in the fourteenth inning? Why
are you pitching to a time that's anybody's saying that
the act of pitch, certainly pitching around hitters is as
old as the game.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Of course, now intentional walks, you can say, what's the line,
But I'm just not going to give him anything good.
How many times has a pitching coach walked out to
the mount or manager and said, don't give him anything
to swing it a lot? Correct? That surprising? So it was.
It was actually kind of cool to hear the call
in that way and to sort of be transformed back
to the way a lot of us used to listen
(08:34):
to baseball. And that's as I said it. You can
listen to any sport obviously on the radio, on the
iHeart app, whatever the case may be. But there is
I still think something romantic about baseball in the radio,
and I was, I was, I kind of sent back
to exactly that eighteen innings correct, Yes, so that game
(09:00):
East Coast ended just before three. It did. Yeah, it's awesome. Imagine,
by the way, an eighteen inning game before the shot
clock that probably would would they'd still be playing potentially,
or at least it'd be a lot longer in terms
of number of hours. Six hours thirty nine minutes, Yeah,
it would be. I bet you in the old days
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would be closer to seven thirty nine. I liked what
you got that going for. I liked how Jeff Passton wrote.
He called it a relief, because holding your breath for
hours on end is not a sustainable way to live. No,
that's that's I'd love to know the numbers as the
game went on, because there's there are like you say,
baseball not what it once was, right, Yes, and it's
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the Dodgers in the Blue Jays. Obviously, the Dodgers are
a huge market, the blue Jays not a huge draw.
But to see if the numbers were always told about
the Twitter tune ins that we have to get. Hey,
koc is talking to Paul Allen. Listen now, Kevin Seffert's
coming up in twenty minutes. Listen now.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
As people are reacting to the crazy stuff that was
happening as the night went on, I'd love to know
if and how the audience built.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's a great question. As the night went on, word
of mouth go, wait a minute, there's still the World
Series game is still going. And then I do think
for some people they go, well, this is starting to
look historic. Yes, I might want to get in on
it totally, even if I wasn't in on it from
the beginning, I might want to get in on that.
And there and you don't have and there's nothing I
don't think there's anything rippable about that. I know problem
with it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Even if I'm locked into Wolves Nuggets on Peacock, I'm
happy to switch the triple double by the way, you see,
of course, a seventh triple double.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That guy, I swear to God man that guy, well
who said it yesterday, Johnny, he's already born. He may
already be borderline top ten player of all time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I know he's crazy, I know, and he's got a
supporting castes.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, that Murray has rarely played that way against us,
and I don't know if he's healthier. I don't know
if it's because Aunt wasn't there to harass him some,
or naw wasn't there to harass him some. That's a
different Jamal. If he's if he plays anywhere close to
that level, that's how they won the title. We might
be in trouble again. Yeah, that's how they won the title.
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Speaker 1 (11:41):
Jeff calling from Monacello World Series. Last night, I tuned
in at about nine to fifteen to watch the last
readings of the game. I still like baseball, especially I
assume it means last innings. This could be a dictated text.
I still like baseball, especially the World Series. Next thing
I know, I couldn't turn it off, and I'm going
to bed at two o'clock in the morning. Great game.
Baseball's back for at least another week or two. And
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in Saint Paul, Dan, the baseball game sustained so long
that the Commanders played a full football game in Kansas
City on MNF boarded their playing and made it back
to DC shortly after the baseball game ended. That's very
well played, Dan. Uh don't tell you this. But the
pitch clock is not used in the postseason. Well that's false.
It is used in the post season. They may not
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make as big an issue. Part of I mean, the
success of the pitchclock is maybe you don't even notice
it as much. And I don't think pet strange that
everybody's kind of trained. That was the whole idea. Here's
what's starting to get a little scary. The number of
as baseball games are shortening the time of game for
NBA games, it's going up. Yeah, it's getting longer. There
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are a bunch of games in the like two thirty
to forty in a couple of cases range. I don't
know what. I don't know what's happening, what's bleeding there,
or why that's that trend seems to be growing. I
feel like the media timeouts are very long. That could
be some of it. I feel like there's a lot
of timeouts. Again, there's too many games in an NBA season,
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just like a baseball for the average now, I don't
know that the average is two forty. That might be
still be an outlier, but the fact that you have
any of those things going on not very good. Wol's
games started late because we were the second game of
the national double header, and we had a terrific first
half after a relatively slow start, turned it big time
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in the second quarter and couldn't sustain it, which may
not be all that surprising. The head coach pretty frontal
after the game. Yeah, goes after Jaden and and Rudy
and everybody. Defensively. Again, no Anthony Edwards, which we knew
was going to have some impact, but we talked about
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this with Johnny Athletic, Denver's supporting cast is vastly you
know who I'm guessing wishes he had this supporting cast
in Denver. It's the former Nuggets coach Michael Malone. Mike Malone,
you think he say, you know, if I'd have had
that supporting cast around Joker, I think I don't think
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people would be as mad at me for being unhappy
with the supporting cast I had before. They're gonna be
a tough out. I'm not saying they're unbeatable by any means,
but as you mentioned, Murray was was good and Joker
was just Joker. I mean it just what he is. Man.
He just makes the right play so often, the last
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pass to get to that tenth assist that that may
have been a box score stuffer, but I've never been
offended by the way he gets to his triple doubles.
It because generally they feel like they are helping the
team win, right, So what do we care even if
it is there's somebody at the bench going, hey, you
need one more assist? Yeah. To me, he's just a
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winning players what he is, and he probably he looks liberated.
I bet you he's excited because he feels like I
got more people around me that might give me a
chance to win this thing, including a legitimate, at least
to a degree, backup center, which they hadn't had. Is
that Cam Robinson? No, that's uh one of the Eastern Europeans.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Who's name now? Because I know they got somebody from
Brooklyn right. I was listening to the day Moore pomecasting.
They had Alan Horton on and Horton is just bitter
with the Nets for basically giving away icy get Yeah. No,
that's that's their important players correct to help the Nuggets.
That's that's part of where the Nuggets are. I guess
you could say improved.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But last year didn't they have who was their back
wasn't their backup center DeAndre Jordan the team for a while.
I really want to think about Valanchonis is now the
backup yet he's the guy they brought in and is
the is the backup center? Cam Johnson is who you're thinking?
Is that what you said? Yes? Cam Johnson is he's
a he's a he's a swing po wing player and
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he is he missed some shots early, but he's very
helpful to them and they took Michael Porter off they did,
which I think was a helpful, a helpful move. Yeah,
I really do so. In any case, well, I don't
even know why I was going down this particular road,
but the trip that game ended well late because it
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started late, right eight thirty, and then it was pretty
easy to you know, see where it was going. I
stayed with it fairly late, and I think Finchy called
off the dogs like two and a half minutes to
go and start putting in the kids and putting in
the the scrubs. And you know, again, I hope you know.
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The prediction is Edwards is going to miss a couple
of weeks. Right, that's it. We'll see if that's indeed
the case. Let me get a couple more baseball related
uh text, very hard to keep up with Jamal Murray
on a heater like he was cooking last night. Either
you lock him down, letting Joker get his, or you
keep pace with your own high volume score. Who was absent? Yeah,
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all I can tell you is when Murray has not
looked right to me for a while last year, and
again I don't know if it was mental, physical or both.
He looks different now. He's not going to go forty
every night. Last night he was on a heater. That
was some of it. He just looked healthier, He looked lighter.
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I don't mean like in terms of his body weight,
I'm turning. I'm talking about his head. He just everything
seemed better about what he was he was doing. Watched
the whole game, just praying the Toronto wouldn't win. I
think it. Ankal does not like the Jays. Oh that's
apparently it was on believable Now again, a lot of
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people have a hard time rooting for the Dodgers payroll
approaching half a billion. They can just do whatever whatever
they want and still make money. I mean, that's that's
that's the sick thing about the case the Dodgers. I
think they're still making I think they're making so much
money internationally, sure in Japan alone, that they probably make
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up whatever that huge payroll disparity is as well. Talk
about the World Series game last night, Dan and the
records that were broken had to be numerous, not only
the longest game as far as innings, but also time
of game. But that was just one example. Tany had
nine plate appearances, was on base every time as we
did mention just incredible. This is Tom from Columbia Heights.
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I really appreciate two non ball guys that you two
are putting that game over. You're a real breath of
fresh air. I've heard all day is people crying that
the game ended so late. Come on, and how we
need to eliminate the intentional walk? What's wrong with people?
I don't, honestly, I don't know. And I mean I'm
Danny Downer, but I don't know how you if you
just follow the story, how is how is that your
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takeaway from it? I don't. It's I guess that falls
into classification of that that there's really nothing that you're
going to allow to ever be mythic or semi mythic, right,
I mean, you're just you're just you're going. It makes
no sense to me. The intentional walk has always been
a part of the game, as it should be, and
it's disappointing. I get it. In one uh to one respect,
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somebody said that either the pitching coach or the manager
came out before one of his appearances, was out there
for like twenty minutes, and then you know, I'm sure
to say be careful with him, and then he crushed
one yep on that at bad almost immediately. So I
I what I mean, if every game, or every every
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World Series game lasted that long, probably that would get old.
We'd probably changed some things. But isn't that what we
wait for? I mean, in all honesty, baseball has been
a song worst enemy for decades, there's no question. But
one of the saving graces of baseball has been historically
when it mattered to people, there is no time limit.
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Michaeh nine, Michael eleven, Michael twelve. And in the postseason,
we don't have the phantom base runner, right, and so
you got to do it the hard way exactly. So
that was one of the beauties of the game. Yeah,
every once in a while you might have a World
Series game that goes eighteen innings. Yeah, exactly. I don't
So I haven't heard. Is that a lot of people
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have been I hadn't heard that. You're worrying to me
about the wrong things. Yeah, that's your takeaway out of
a game like that, The strategy of continually saying we're
not going to let this guy beat you. That's not
non competitive. That's a smart basis, that's smart. Exactly. You're
trying to win. You're you're trying to win the damn
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game in the end, aren't you? You give them the base?
I see it in the house. He's right behind me.
That's a ball guy. Mean, we'll talk to Seyfford a
little about that. I think Steford and I might be
arguing a little bit today. Regarding the Wentz quarterback controversy,
which is ongoing. We'll see, We'll find out just the
way he has characterized a few things via X makes
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me wonder the head coach talked about it a little
bit today with PA. Is that correct he did? We'll
get into all that. With Seafert, we'll get in another
things regarding this football tea. We haven't had a chance
to talk to Seffert since the debacle on Thursday night
in Los Angeles. Correct, we have not. He's not been
on the program. Is the season done? In effect? All
those things will be explored if you have questions. Brat
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Kevin Seffert is in the house. Questions for him via
the bratshaw Brid cafe and text line at six four
six eight six. You did not have a chance. You're
a big red eye guy from the West Coast. But
not practical given it was a night game. Is that correct.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
That's a correct I looked into it, But it would
have I would have the whole trip would have been
meaningless if I had to leave in the fourth.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Was there any thought of you leaving the game early? Well,
that would give it was just one sided as it was.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, we had to go down there and grill the contestants,
so we can't.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Really didn't grill According to the emails text I've seen tweets,
you guys were sawing. We laid Yeah, we let them
off the hood happened.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, it's I guess the only way to properly get
the information is to scream at them until they're on
their knees begging for forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, even though I think we didn't show car he
didn't show Carson wentz any mercy.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
No, that is that is accurate and he uh and
the fight thing is like, I mean, that was one
of the big complaints that we didn't hold them accoun funtable.
And actually, whether you like the answers or not, I
think O'Connell did address everything that needed for the most part.
That needed to be addressed that night, and so did
Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, part of the I think in part of this
gets I think misunderstood. The job you guys are in
is to ask the questions, then he answers, and then
the average group can decide is that a satisfactory answer
to me? Or does that sound half asked? Right? I mean,
that's that always is there. But that's the bit that's
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your job. Your job is to get him to answer
the question. And just because the average listener might not
find the answer satisfactory, I would say, well, that's part
of the point. Then you have every right to judge
and say, well I didn't like that he's sidestepping the
most important issue, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And it's okay on our end to like follow up
and yeah, they didn't really answer the question. You know,
you were trying to get information. We're not trying to correct,
get to generate humility, or to try to get them
to change their viewpoint.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So here's my most important quote crucial question today. Have
we found it? We got to get another QB, don't
we We have to have three? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, I think that's you know, just a matter of course,
Kevin O'Connell talked today to Pa and he said he
sort of referenced that. But what's clear is that the
top two guys moving forward are going to be McCarthy
and Max Brosmer. And so whether they try to sign
Brett Rippen off the Colts practice squad or had him before,
didn't we had him last year and then camp or
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uh Desmond Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Desmond BANEBA player keep wanting to call him Spencer Rattler
but Desmond ritter yea for a cup of coffee.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yah, he was here for a couple of weeks. Uh
after the McCarthy injury as well.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Probably not realistic or is it silly?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Like?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Like is it necessary?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think would be the the key thing, And I
guess it would come down to do they judge themselves
to be in position to challenge for you know, a
playoff spot slash division title and do they not?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I mean they want to play McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So the only way that a Kirk Cousins trade would
make sense is to be a strong backup if McCarthy
gets hurt again.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And that's that's quite a luxury at this point, that's true.
I guess you're right. It's the idea is, if worst
case scenario, you get two quarterbacks hurt, you got to
have somebody else play the position. That's probably not Cousins.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Baker threw for three thousand years. Nice option, but I
don't think that's a long term option.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Very very true, Davy. So, I don't know. The debate
has continued regarding the O'Connell approach with Wentz. My position
continues to be as follows. I'm looking at the box score.
I'm looking at the play by play. We score six
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plays twenty six yards to at the twenty four to ten,
and the third they counter by going seventy three yards
in twelve plays. It's now thirty one to ten. Right,
we early in how much time, relatively early in the
early in the fourth quarter. Then we get the ball
back and on the second play from scrimmage, Wentz over.
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That's the overthrow on JJ. I think correct that interception. Okay,
I believe so. To me at that point, I don't
care how much pride he has. I don't care why he,
you know, misses that he hasn't had many chances to play.
The game's over. I am proclaiming it without a sign
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that it's over. As head coach, and I'm telling Carson
Wentz you're over by me, and the comeback to that
has been well, but what if another you sacrifice another quarterback?
Not because you're trying to win, because I'm not trying
to win at that point, I'm just trying to get
out of dodge. And I think it is borderline abusive
no matter how much he's his quarterback, Carson Wentz raising
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it handsy, I'm fine. I'm gonna play this thing out
to continue to put him on the field, especially for
a coach who views himself as this humanitarian as much
as a football coach. And is there a risk with
Brosmer a little? But you run the ball a lot,
you throw a lot of short passes, you get out
of dodge. To me, for me, it was never about well,
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Wentz has played so badly, you got to put somebody
else out there to see what might happen. For me,
it's game's over and I'm not going to continue to
watch him WinCE. Carson Wentz in pain, like he's dying
out there every fifty every two plays, and I'm calling it.
Why is that unreasonable?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I don't think it's. I mean, in the overall scheme
of the world. It's definitely not unreasonable. I've had that happened.
Maybe some people would have said, well, you're giving up,
and you only have seventeen of these games, and now
you've given up, and you came back from a thirty
three not than you know, a few years ago or
whatever it was, and there's been a lot of comebacks,
so I guess they potentially would have a segment of
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people criticizing them for that, which by definition means it
was a no win situation.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But you know, there was definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I mean, there was football reasons for why he did it,
and there were moral reasons to argue that he shouldn't
have that he should have taken him out and football
went out, and you know, I think that's what he's
made pretty clear. His answer Thursday night was that Carson
understood the circumstances and that it was asking too much
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to ask a rookie to and the circumstances were, you're
you're sacrificed. You know, you're sacrificing yourself. We're sacrificing you
to protect. Frankly, two assets that they valued more in
the long term, which are McCarthy and Brosmer and we
can certainly argue about whether that's savage or sedition or
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realistic or the way the game is played. But I think,
like to me, it's pretty clear where he landed on
that spectrum.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It is, and I would submit that if Mike Zimmer
did the same thing, he would be called a neanderthal
for doing it.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well, And I think O'Connor's taking it pretty good from
the fan base. I don't know if they're using words
like that or like, you know, if we're getting into
the cutting the animal's heads off, yes, and whatnot, And
we've generally understood O'Connell not to be that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, Yeah, that for me, that goes out the window.
That's what I'm saying. You can't with a straight face
come to me with that. I'm not even saying what
he did isn't the same thing a lot of coaches
would have done. But then you have to stop pretending
that somehow you you you grade yourself in a different
way on a humanitarian scale, because there was nothing humanitarian.
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And again that to me, the head coach he can
hide behind. Carson knew what he was in for, and
we talked to doctors. Yeah, although I've heard some interesting
things behind the scenes. Maybe about that not all doctors
necessarily agree either with the decision whatever, if that was
the recommendation. But in the end, you are the head coach. Yeah,
so you can unilatterly say Carson did not in any
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way pull himself. Let me make that clear. I made
a decision under these circumstances, because we're never gonna know
if even if if the the the whatever surgery they
have to do, the damage got worse or not on
the basis of what took place in that game. They're
gonna they're gonna say it didn't. They're gonna say the break,
the the mechanism, they had him attached to her and
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made sure that nothing like that was gonna We're never
gonna know that, though.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
No, and no, probably not. And you know, I would
also say though that there's a difference between being a
humanitarian in public in the real world and being a
humanitarian and the football. Yeah, I agree that, because that
because that becomes like and you might have some thoughts
and it's like, and I haven't had a chance to
talk to many players about this or not, but do
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we think that the players necessarily viewed this as unnecessarily
savage A great question, or is this you know, two
weeks ago Brian O'Neil played seventy plays with the sprained MCL.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
The camera is not on him.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Because he's not a quarterback, he may not be as
an expressive of a pain shower as Carson Wentz was
in that particular case. And I will say that Carson
said that he's been in paining a lot. This was
probably the most pain he's ever been in a game.
And so I'm not trying to draw an equivalent between
Brian O'Neil two weeks ago with the the MCL sprain
and what Carson was going through. But you know, and
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I have always tried to be very like cognizant of
not being neanderthal football guy and expecting the NFL to
do more from a health and safety standpoint, and having
witnessed a fair bit of that you know, evolution over
the years, I don't want to then fall back and say, well,
this is you know, the game is savage, and that's
the way it is.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And so this I think this was an extreme case.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But I do think that on a weekly basis, on
every field in the NFL, there are people paying playing
in some levels to up to extreme pain and maybe
we don't always know about it because it's not the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I agree with that. I just I think I
get it. Three touchdowns we've seen, you know, people can
convince themselves that the game is not over, but the
eye test said that game was over. Yeah. And again
I don't even know after the pick whether the Chargers
scored again or not. Yeah, I think they.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Goal.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, that's exactly here's the I N T field goal.
So now it's thirty four to ten. I say I'd said,
we appreciate you if you want to. If anybody wants
to be mad at me for pulling the plug, that's fine,
I'll do it. But that's the end of it. I
don't know. I'm I'm still very much surprised that this
isn't an easy for me. It was an easy cat
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all on the basis of again because some people wanted
to switch because they're so excited about Rosmer that they
want to see him. And I'm even here to tell
you that I'm not putting him out there for that
reason because it's an unfair, uh situation we may be
put into in terms of evaluating him on how good
does he look, I'm saying, well, that you can't judge
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him on that game based on the circumstances. You're on
the road, the offensive line is a disaster, and the
game is pretty much over. I am saying, yeah, I'm
gonna take my chances that he might get hurt because
I I can control that to a degree by by
not dropping my quarterback path on deep drops at all,
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and handing the ball off and and and quick kicking
if I need.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
To, and and and and that's and it's you know,
it's a tough one. And I think like it also
opens up the question of okay, you know again, you know, yeah,
there's the injuries happened. But like if you if your
starter is dealing with what we now know and this
and this is an important point, like this all happened
in the Browns game. It's not like he you know,
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all the information about the injury came out yesterday, But
he had the torn lay room and he had the
fractured socket shoulder socket, you know, three weeks ago. So
it's not as if so they walked into this game
knowing that that's the injury and that this is the
potential for pain on a short week and they went
in with a you know you, I mean, you could
make an argument that they needed to have a better
option as a backup quarterback if you if the backup
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quarterback is a guy you're only going to put in
in certain situations, or you're going to try to protect him,
or you think that it could hurt his development.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Understood, But like.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
From a team building standpoint, even if it's just for
one game, like, don't you need to have a quarterback
that you're ready to put in when.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
The time Yeah, when the time calls, can you make
the argument?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
And not for performance reasons, but for for morality, for
moral like one of the reasons he's saying he didn't
put him in there was because he didn't want to
essentially expose him to the carnage. And like you need
to have I mean, at every position you need to have.
This wasn't like you'd already have a quarterback hurt and
this is the second and then now it's a third,
Like the backup quarterback should be available to go in
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independent of the carnage.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So it's basically what this is telling me is whence
his mistake was not going to the silent and say
I can't go anymore. Yeah, but at that point the
head coach has no choice. But I but I what
I'm saying is I get the football mentality, I really do.
But I would not have based on what I saw
with notwithstanding a color analyst guy who guards he was
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talking about yesterday, H Street herb Street basically, San, Hey,
you got you know you're showing too much whift on
that yea badly that he he I would because can
you make the argument even with A you can't play
McCarthy yet, obviously, even if Brosmer is an undrafted free agent,
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he's been around you since, you know, the for the
entire offseason, can you make the argument that healthy QB
then I mean, might have actually given you a better
chance to have a couple of good plays compared to
I mean, how much is it fair to say that
Wentz was was limited beyond just and and we assume
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not so much because it's his left arm, but he
sure as hell looked to me like he was off
as much as anything physically, as much as mental.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I mean, think about doing anything, Think about doing the
radio show when you're in excruciating pain, Think about doing
like like I mean, it just it is the chance
of being at your peak performance when you're in that
kind of pain is not is not high. And I
don't think anyone thinks that he was. How do we
know it didn't get worse? I mean we know that's
what they're scientist talk to themselves. But example, the brace
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he had on whatever they the contraption had on him
for that game was far more elaborate than they had
the two previous weeks, right, fair to say, so that
to me, he says, well, some and some going on.
I think that was part of that was probably the
fact that he didn't get as much recovery time in between.
But I talked to somebody yesterday said like, you know,
you can never say one hundred percent that and this
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was a medical person. You can never say one hundred
percent that it's not gonna get worse, because there's there's
ways for everything to get worse. Uh, the damages are
already done. But what about when you compensate? You know,
Brian O'Neal we were talking earlier, he played on and then
he didn't play because he had been compensating and his
left knee got swelled up, and so uh, there you
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can never say with one hundred percent certainty that it
couldn't that it couldn't get worse. And I can't tell
you right now that it didn't somehow get worse. It
was a you know, there was a there was a
you know, a fork in the road, and he took
and he took that, and I think he opened himself
up to the criticism. And based on what I heard
today with him from PA, like he's not having any
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second thoughts about it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
All right, the we have more than half the season
yet to go. The team is sitting at what three
and four? Yeah, it feels like the season is teetering,
given who you got to play this week? Really, what
your schedule is the next four or five weeks, notwithstanding
the Bears game? Right, So is it? I mean? Are we?
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Are we pretty if they lose to Detroit? Are we
then at a point where, in an odd sort of way,
the Vikings and koc can relax and say, we're we
We don't really have anything to worry about regarding competing ideas.
You know, whether we're going for it this year or not.
With all the free agent picks we've made now it's
pretty clear we're not going anywhere this year, and we
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can give the young quarterback the opportunity to make this
mistakes that he's going to inevitably make to get him
to a better place a Lah the new England quarterback
from a year ago, Rick Maye. I think that's going
to happen regardless. I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
He would have to perform at such a low level
for them to feel like they need to bench him,
assuming that he's healthy, right that, like I think, I mean,
he's going to be the starter absent playing at like
a middle school level frankly, for the rest of the year,
and he should be seven of the first eight quarters. No,
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like even worse, that was pretty middle schools. I'd say
that was it was maybe big big tennis.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
And so.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
That whether you know they somehow be Detroit this weekend
or not, like, that's the from a long term team building,
uh perspective, that is the number one priority here is
to get him the development time he needs and enough
of us, you know, to get him better, but also
to be able to make a intelligent decision this offseason,
(39:39):
you know. And it's crazy to be talking about that
already with ten games to go, but he's already missed
twenty three of his first twenty five I think is
what it is. He needs to give them a large
enough sample size so that they can reasonably go into
next season with him as their starter or not if
(39:59):
they think that what they've seen tells him, they can't
do that and go find You know that next year
is Daniel Jones, and it doesn't mean they you give
up on I certainly don't think that there's any scenario
where they would give up on him by the end
of this year, but maybe, you know, change gears in
terms of the speed with which he's going to assume
the full time job and whether that means taking a
(40:21):
step back next year if necessary or not. They need,
they need data to make that decision, and so I
can't foresee a scenario realistically speaking, that he's not the
starter for every game for the rest of the year
unless there's an injury.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Until there's an injury, I go with, Wow, we don't
know he's going to start against Detroit. Uh, he's got
to prove he's healthy enough. Everybody's saying and assuming it. Now,
let's let's let's see it, let me see him, Let's
see the ankle hold up through a week of practice
that my three days into practice this week.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I don't think KOC would have let Carson Wentz gets
the surgery of wasn't ready to go throwing him back
out there.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He's got a backup anymore.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Keny, I think they knew Thursday that McCarthy was going
to start, and that was part of leaving Wentz in
the game.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Seven to six to three. Guy Rights. I think Herbstreet's
comments are being misinterpreted. I believe he's saying that if
he's showing that much pain, he shouldn't be on the field.
That's another interesting wrinkle. I don't know if that was
his motivation. I will say I didn't hear it, it's
it's if it's but if you're the head coach, to
be honest, the optics of that would inform me and
(41:34):
perhaps lead me to the direction of I'm pulling them.
Because he whatever Wentz might have said about I want
to stay there, he looked like he was dying.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Well, And to be fair, I think that it was
after his last play because it was very late in
the game, and so by the time they got the
ball back there was like two minutes left. If I'm
remembering the order of things, and so that is when
Brozmurk came in. I think I think the very the
I think Wentz's last play he got it on like
a fourth down and it was incomplete, so the offenses
(42:04):
off the field, and that's when he came out the
field and threw his helmet and was basically, you know,
trying to stay conscious. And I'm pretty sure that by
the time the Theys got the ball back, that's when
Brozemer came in.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Six one two, guy asks this, how can you properly
evaluate any quarterback with this offensive line? I mean, it's
not that.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
First of all, it's the end of part of evaluating
a quarterback is can he can he perform in less
than ideal circumstances?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
So was the Chargers offensive line kind of screwed up?
And they weren't they down to like their third or
fourth or fifth string running back? The running back.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yes, they did get the left tack of the Joe
all back. He had not played, but like that and
every team doesn't and they will. And to be frank like,
the way things are trending, they should have both Darrisaw
and O'Neil on the field this week and so that
would give them four of their five, you know, as
close as they've been to health all year. But I
(43:00):
I don't think it's impossible to evaluate a quarterback when
things are not perfect around them. In fact that in
some ways it's preferable because it gives you a more
realistic evaluation of how he can do in what circumstances
typically are in the NFL, which is less than perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
All Right, we got a lot of texts have come in.
We'll make this the top of the hour pause. I
do want to discuss other things, including the state of
the of the Vikings defense. So there's some hard questions
we going to need to start asking there as well.
Six four six eighty six is the branch on Bryant
cafan text line number Louis is scheduled in studio probably
about five o'clock or so. It's a hugely calamitous day
(43:40):
on the Minnesota sports calendar. Calamity guards ye, especially related
to your favorite football team, the Golden Gophers. Are you
aware of that? It's amazing? Famili many there are today
and maybe I forgot.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
It's the fall. Everybody's in now, everybody's playing. There's a
lot of options.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, Unfortunately, in the history of this program. There's quite
a few, so we'll get to all of that before
we're done. At six thirty more seaffert Neck
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