Fan Outdoors: Andy Peterson, Mark Courts, Tackle Terry

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Human from the fish filled Midwest Lakes to the deep
woods of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

(00:22):
the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning,
Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics
and conversations. You can also send us a question or
opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's
your host, the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good morning, Fan.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Outdoors, faithful, good morning to you this fine day, yep,
the twenty ninth day of November, and holy mackerel. Yeah, well,
they say, although it hadn't hit in the North metro yet,

(01:14):
there's a chance that we could get a whole little
bit more snow. And if you're further south listening, you
could get a lot more snow, like up to ten
inches or so. But you know, it is what it is,
and I've quit winding about it kind of for a
little bit, but it'll come back. It'll be back. I

(01:37):
guarantee you that. So sitting on the other side of
the table in KFA and World Studios is none other
than the see him one time, then you don't see him,
and you see him and you don't see him. That's

(01:58):
mister bomb sake, Pierre Good.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It feels different in here. Is it the light?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I don't know, you just your memory is kind of foggy.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It might be the early morning. And there's new cameras well.
Are they on? No? Okay, So I don't think that's it,
although now I'm looking at it, there are new cameras.
Are the lights new or is it just we normally
have the lights off this early? Maybe you just have
the lights off. It is bright here this morning. Maybe

(02:29):
I just haven't been here in so long yet. That
might be it. So I did not have any snow
when I left home. You didn't either. And there's a
there's snow falling here in Saint Louis Park and it's
snow blowing on a road when I.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Got off the three ninety four, and weather dot com
says it's been snowing a fair amount this evening across
southern Minnesota. So I believe that.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I think there's a pretty clean line of where
the snow is and where the snow isn't.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well here, here I go again. They can have a
clean line further south from me.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
That's true. That's it's there's there is a fair amount
of snow north is there on the ground and you
would know that. Excuse me? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go
explore a little bit north today. Ah see, how see
how much snow there is? How far north are you going?

(03:30):
I think Kinkley? Okay, yeah, I'm gonna see if it's
my rough grouse season is over? Oh well, there there
is a season opening today. There's some of the final
ones too, I believe. But it's it's okay. I bought
my license yesterday, and uh it is.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Uh. The muzzleloader deer season statewide is opening this morning.
And if that's something that you do, I wish you success.
And I know I've talked with I talked with some
people up further my where the cabin is up around

(04:13):
Sox Center in Central Minnesota, and these guys are all
hunting antlers and I come on, man, go out and
and they're all they've got these these the big antlers
that they're after. I said, you just give me a deer.
I don't care if it has antlers or for stan
horns or not. I'm just looking for something that I

(04:38):
can put in the freezer. That's all.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So are you muzzle loading? Yeah? You are.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Are you at the cabin or closer to home? Oh,
we're going to go south a little bit, okay? And
where there they are a permanent heated blind. Oh I've
never I've never been in a heated blind. And I'm
as I had a conversation, I said, I guess that
would spoil me because I'm used to sitting either on

(05:06):
a bucket or on a stand. If it's a portable stand,
it's pretty close to the ground, because I have sometimes
I will doze off if nothing is happening, and I
don't want to hit the ground and wake up.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Are you going today?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
No? No, not. Eric is out. Eric is out, And
I suspect a dear moving with this.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I would think.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
In fact, I see a text on my phone, but
I haven't had a chance to tell it yet.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Too early to have one.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, it is, it won't tall. He's probably got one
last suit out there. He knows why, watched one bed
down or something. But he and Jack, my grandson, were
out scouting all day yesterday and Jack called and talked
to my wife and he had a blast. He said,

(06:01):
to have Daddy says, I talk too much but how
are you going to learn if you don't ask questions.
So they had a good time, and I think he
saw it too, But we'll see, we'll see. Hey, this morning,
we are going to spend some time talking with a

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dad who has taken his two kids hunting. I think
this might be the second year. But they too have
their eyes or their goal on what they're going to
shoot the smallest, but what they want. And that's kind
of one of the things on their property that they

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it has to be so many points or else. I think,
I don't know what happens. You pay a little wast
them a whole bunch of money. I know I hunted
with them once a few years ago. I was so afraid.
I it was eight points, it had to be, and
I was so worried that I was going to shoot

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something that wasn't the right side. I didn't shoot anything
at all. Yeah, yeah, earn a earn something else that
is wrong. But then we're going to talk with a
gentleman that makes his living fishing, but he's also a
pheasant guide in Dakota, and he has just returned from

(07:28):
Texas and I don't know if he was hunting hogs
down there or what it was, but probably fishing down there.
I don't know what. We'll talk with him and uh
then of course tackle Terry will be along a little
bit later in the program. And the ice show is
right around the corner. I think it's in a week

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and I haven't been to the ice show for a
number of years. I believe so. I believe so. But
it's well attended. And in talking with Denny Fletcher last week,
he predicts that they will have ice up in that
part of the world, fishable ice maybe this weekend. And

(08:13):
they're hoping for.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
This weekend as in right now or whoa.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
And in some of the bays and stuff like that.
Of course there's some idiots up there too that are
going to go out.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Do you think they'll be fishable ice? I guess. I
haven't been in that part of the state. We've been
everywhere else. Well, I have been everywhere, man, I haven't
seen it. I haven't seen fishable ice anywhere yet, but
I haven't been north.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I understand, not until today.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, I check things out today. I'll get back to ye.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And I do want to caution people on one thing. Well,
I said it last week and I mean it again
this week. When you're talking ice. If you've got something
with water, it gets frozen in your neighborhood, tell your
kids to stay the heck off it. It isn't that's
safe yet it isn't. And warn them because it's ice

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and a little one. It's like a mag that it
just attracts them.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And you don't want them going through.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You don't want an accident to happen, and has happened
last week with or the week ago with a young
man from Champlain that drowned trying to save his buddy's dog.
And I said on the air then, and I'll stick
to it. I can't tell you I know what I'm
supposed to do. I can't tell you I would do

(09:35):
any different, very honestly. But on that same kind of note,
be careful if you're going out with your hunting buddies,
because a few years ago, Eric and his Golden Cala
went out and Cala went through some ice and tore
her leg up, her front legs up, and she was

(09:58):
out of commission for two to three weeks as things
healed up. So be aware and caution them, because you
know the dogs. Your responsibility is taking care of your dog.
That's really the bottom line. You are responsible for allowing
them to do certain things, even if they want to.

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Sometimes you need to hold them back and tell them
it's not this way we're going to do it. So
be forewarned and take good care of your canine companion,
because it's important take good care of yourself too. I
know sometimes I think that there's some I know it's

(10:42):
shallow water, but shallow water or not.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Cold is cold. Yeah, cold is cold.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And when you go through, you go up to your
knees or something like that. I did that down to
Saint James, and I took a lot of long steps
trying to get across this, and I went down halfway
through and I was going to go back. Well, the
other side was just as close, and if I would
have walked around it, my feet would have stayed dry.

(11:11):
Of course I didn't. I was wet.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, it's open water in southern Minists. Yeah, there's not
even a sniff of frozen.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, maybe, well maybe last night, yeah, and tomorrow it's
supposed to be real cold tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I haven't aversion to being cold when I hunt. Now,
I don't like it. But if you're walking it's usually
it's you're usually warming up and I'm always wearing too
many coolthes.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
You wear like four layers on opening day.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
What can I say?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm not cold? Yeah, No, you're not cold. You're dripping.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
But so it goes. Let's take our first pause of
the morning, and on our return we'll be joined by
a dad, mister Andy Peterson. Next we're back seventeen minutes

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after the hour of six o'clock. My headphones have got
a short in it, and oh one ear, well, they're
both ears now, but sometimes they are nowheares.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I sat in that chair and had that happen?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, then was there we launch into?
I told Eric we would perhaps launch into some tree
rope talk.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh taking jabs at me?

Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I just do seventeen minutes. Can you report for us?

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Would you like one? Yes? I would not today unless
I get really frazzled. Let's walk up into conversation our
next guest, because he has a friend, he's a dad,
and he is a deer hunter, also mister Andy Peterson,
and he's also the owner of the Wellman Sports Marketing too.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Andy. Good morning, sir, Good morning, Billy well Bob, good morning.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
How tell us how the deer hunt went, my friend.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Deer hunting's gone really good and it's still going okay.
We're on the quest for Breeley, my daughter. She's fourteen.
She wants to shoot her first buck, and she's quite
I can't tell if she's a hunter or just very

(13:43):
picky because she's she's passed up some deer. But we're
having fun. We're enjoying it. Up at the farm. My
cousin Ken has done an awesome job this year with
food plots. He's done some milo, some greenery and then

(14:07):
left some standing corn that was harvested later, so that
was good during the postseason. But he was able to
shoot a nice ten pointer up near Hinckley. We got
a glimpse at one Saturday of opening weekend. Really actually

(14:28):
took a shot at one and missed. It was gear
had come out onto a cut beanfield at like two
hundred and eighty yards, and it did what a mature
buck does when it hits the beanfield like that and
there's no deer on it. He came out and looked
and quartered the wind and was on a mission and

(14:50):
was going away from us in our stand and I
tried everything from grunting to rattling to the north wheeze
through everything him, just to try and get him to stop,
maybe get some attention. I didn't have a decoy out.
I've had mixed luck with that. Sometimes it works, sometimes

(15:10):
it doesn't, and didn't have one out. And this year
got to about four hundred yards and I told Greeley,
I was like, he's just too far. And I looked
and or she looked back at me and was like, well,
can I try? And I was like, okay, I said,

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we hadn't shot. Her gun sighted in at two hundred
I said, put it at the top of his back,
were a little lower, and they're a little higher meant,
and she shot and I saw the dirt cloud hit
underneath it, and it was my business partner. I call
it the the name's jet color. And she gave him

(15:52):
the old jet colored comeback shot because the buck turned
and started running right back at us and got to
it in a hundred thirty yards, and it was total
chaos in the stand trying to get her out a
different window and then back on the deer, and the
scope was zoomed and too far. She couldn't find it.
So we had to zoom it back out and get

(16:14):
the gun out the window, and it was a mad
rush and it made it back into the woods and
didn't hit it. My cousin ended up harvesting that deer
the Thursday of the first week season, so all good,
but there might have been a tear shed from Breeley there,
which don't blame her.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
They fucking.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Learning lessons though. That's that's the name of our game.
For the most part.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's Andy. It's okay boy, it's you.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Sometimes the ones you miss make the best stories too.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Gosh, I've done it, and she was upset and I
started thinking back of the years. I mean, we we
put a model on this year stand just kind of
a little knockout where we can sleep in it. It's
on a field that's back in the woods and kind
of disturbs some of our other hunting ground. So we

(17:13):
have a in wall heater in it, and it's nice
enough to spend the night in. So we camp out
there pretty much, watch movies and I'll get the jet
boil going for a coffee in the morning, and it's
pretty it's a pretty easy sit for the most part.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
We have on the back wall. There's a list since
two thousand and seven, I think, is when we put
the addition onto that stand, and it's what did you see?
And I just look up at that and there are
some misses on that board too, and some kills, and
you know what we've planted over the years in the field.

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And I recall two different scenarios where one my old man,
he missed the buck kind of the same story. It
came out, went the same direction, and that time he
was on the gun and I would did the same thing.
Brunn had rattled, did everything I could to get it
to stop a turn, and this guy was just moving.

(18:14):
Finally I just yelled, yelled out the window and he
spun around the look and my old man missed him.
So I told her that story and didn't really help
the cause, but I thought it would a good try.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, So what what's her minimum size that she's looking for?

Speaker 5 (18:36):
She wants an a pointer And it came out this
last the last weekend, that she wanted to be bigger
than her brother's the when he got two years ago.
That's the main goal.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I see. Well, one year wasn't the same as her
number of verse soccer.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah, so that's that was the fun part too, is
her very first year, she wanted to shoot a seven
pointer and I was like, holy smokes, this is getting
down to it here. And I asked her why and
she says, well, that's because it's my soccer jersey number.
So I was like, okay, okay, here we go look
for a seven pointer. And then that year we had

(19:19):
haunted two weekends, so we hunt the first weekend up
in Hankley, and then we had moved down near man Cato.
I got eighteen acres on a just a little travel
pinch point on the swamp, and we get some dose
coming around and nice bucks during the night. And I've
only seen a couple during the day, but there's always

(19:43):
that hope. And we left for church one morning and
standing right in the driveway was a big ten pointer.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
So if it went from the seven pointer to the ten.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Pointer in her opinion, is that a bonus? Then if
it's bigger than what we were trying for, would she
have passed that, well.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
That one would have that one would have had some
lead fire at it for sure.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, let's just checking, because I don't know how serious
she was about her seven pointer or if it's eight now,
is her number change or did she just make an adjustment.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Now she's The funny part is is that I don't
know that the not harvesting the deer is bothering her
at all. She's got more hours in the deer stand
than her brother just because it's he was Uh he's
hunted with us. But he's a very nice brother, a

(20:42):
lot nicer than I would have been, for sure, and
to take first stab at anything that comes through. And uh,
so she's got more hours in the stand, she's able
to spot and identify the deer better. And now she's
at the point where she just wants it to be

(21:05):
eight points are better and mature. I'm like, okay, junior, here,
let's you know, she's she's idea and classifying all these deer.
And when I was her age, I was I was
still in tags.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, and with how big was her brother's deer, it was.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
A you know, typical little basket eight pointer, nice buck
for a first buck, and okay, great deer overall, I
guess in my opinion, But yeah, he shot that two
years ago and this past year he's sixteen now, so
he's in the blind on his own and that's that's

(21:54):
been kind of fun. He kind of he spent a
couple of days with us and the taj that the
stand we sleep in, and then we got some other
enclosed blinds on plastic ones on stilts. And he's been
on the little field the last last weekend of the season.
He was out there for two days. And you know,

(22:17):
I have him text me when he gets in the
stand and give me the report. And you know, he's
very quick to respond, which means his telephone is probably
in his hand. But I also get accurate information as
to what's on the field too.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So ah, well, if the gun season is done, Andy,
is she gonna hunt muzzle?

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, okay, yeah, this weekend will be pretty interesting. Now,
there's a little snow on the ground here. I don't
know what you guys ran into getting in there. Just
just a dusting so far down here near Mankato.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, it's the same here. It's the same here, although
the North Metro when I left there was nothing. It
was there was nothing coming down. And I noticed in
the headlights about halfway down here, I could see a
little bit a glimmer of snow coming down. And then
the closer. I get now down by the station, which
you know the roads down here, I've got snow blowing

(23:19):
across them, so it's a little bit different. But you
guys could get dumped on pretty good too.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Yeah, I kind of looking forward to it. Lakes are
still open down here, so yeah, it's not going to
screw up any ice, so it'd be a good time
to get some snow on the ground and then get cold.
Makes nice for good ice season this year would be good.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah. Do your kids ice fish too?

Speaker 5 (23:46):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Oh yeah, man.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
He's been. He's gone out a couple of times on
his own. I got all my stuff at the cleaned
up and ready to roll. We got a training this
next week h with with shields for university doing Hummingbird
on the ice training. So hopefully hopefully we get enough
to be had safe conditions as it will just be

(24:12):
classroom stuff. But all my stuff's ready to roll for that.
And then he's got the ability to hook up the
wheeler and go dragging out onto our little pond and
there's decent sunfish and crappies in it.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, that's very fun. Well how did your dad do?
Did he?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Is he hunting?

Speaker 5 (24:34):
He is but he kind of took this year off
in Minnesota. He he went to Kansas just to hang
out with one of his buddies who had an archery peg,
and he shot a nice a pointer down there, and
then actually we are going he and I are going
back for a rifle hunt, and so that's that's what

(24:58):
he's done. He's he in the process of moving, so
he's been kind of getting his house cleaned up and situated,
but definitely looking forward to our Kansas trip, which is different,
very cool hunting that you know, up north where we hunted,

(25:19):
you can't see very far unless you're on one of
our fields and such, or you're in the woods and
you got maybe a fifty yard shot if you're absolutely lucky.
But down there you can see for miles and it's.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
Really fun to watch and code from.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
Betting to Egg or just you can see him throughout
the daily pattern a lot better, and you can use
that info that you learn from seeing your move down
there to help figure out or visualize what they do
up north too, because you can't see them from betting
to Egg the whole time. Where you can down there,

(25:58):
you can see him, you know, ten their dolls or
rut and chase longer down there than you can up north,
and just pretty cool to watch for sure, if you
ever get a chance, it's definitely worth well.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
You have changed up some scenery.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
You haven't mentioned any elk cutting, did you You and
your dad do the hatters as you chuckle?

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yeah, well not that my headsets breaking up a little
bit so I couldn't hear you there.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Oh did you go? Yeah? Okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
I did go el Cott in the first week of September.
It was typically or historically we've we've gone the last
week of the season out in Colorado, which is last
week of September, a little more rut activity as they're
more into the breeding season. So this is our first
time opening weekend, which you know, it's it's a horse

(26:58):
of peace. Either you know, you wait till the last
season when they're talking a little more, moving around a
little more, or you know, I think positive. On the
first season, you're the first ones in there to sneak
in and just be quiet and get to where they live.
And my brother and I did that on the first morning,
and I had a nice four by five. The freezer

(27:23):
was empty, so I was looking for a legal bowl
and out in Colorado, it's four on the side with
at least the four inch brow time, and this one
was well beyond that, and I had it went right
behind a nice spruce tree, you know, come out on
a trail at about twenty yards. I drew back, everything

(27:46):
was perfect, and then out of the corner of my eye,
I see a slightly larger one coming up that same trail.
I was still at full draw, and it did exactly
what I wanted to do. It went behind the tree
and I could see it moving through the tree a
little bit. In my head, I was like, this thing's toasted.

(28:08):
I'm tagged out. And he went up the trail. I
call called at it and knewed at him to stop,
and before I shot, I was like, this is over
with and I shot. And then the first thought that
ran through my head was that was low. And he
took off and I tracked it for a day and

(28:28):
a half and I never didn't recover it. So I'm
a little bummed out about that. It was and out
west there is always a lot different track. And then
here the soil of Kansas is similar to It's always
so dry, and when that blood hits the ground it's
hard to see you and looks different than it does

(28:51):
here at home. We could really only find where he
was going when he was in some soft soil and
he could track by a hoof prints, or when he
go the logs, he'd leave some shmear on the log
a little bit.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
And we only were able to stay on it for
about a mile and a half and then it hit
a meadow and we lost it after the second day
of looking for it. But the good news was is
my brother about So I had shot at like seven thirty.
My brother shot a nice six point at about eight thirty,

(29:32):
and I had the whole herd come up the hill.
And it's kind of funny because typically in the morning
she hunted, start at the bottom and work your way
up just because your thermals are pulling down the hill
so you're not winning anything. And for whatever reason, this
spot had wind carving through the mountains coming up the

(29:53):
hill right at us, and we were up top and
I watched over sixty head an elk come up within
and around between fifty and ten yards of me. Go
to my brother, and I got video of a nice
six point that was thirty yards from me, And that's
one he ended up taking, and he had shot at

(30:17):
a bowl the year before and his freezer was full.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
And he was, you know, now, what am I gonna do?
I gotta go buy another freezer. And I said, well,
how about you let me pay for the processing and
I take the meet home to my freezer and he says, well,
I'll take some of it, and I thought.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well, that sounds like a good deal for both of Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well that's a good deal. That's kind of fun. Do
you think the shot you made on the one that
you didn't find Andy was a fatal shot eventually or
wouldn't that heal back up?

Speaker 5 (30:52):
I think it was. There was. I found some debris
along the trail too, and they was spotted by another
one of our guys in the party in Marroads, some
stuff hanging from the side of it, So it was
it was. My shot was England down and it was low,

(31:13):
probably just slightly forward a mid and I don't I
don't think it will have survived. They're tough, but this
was important stuff to be able to continue.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, those things happen when you're hunting, too, as much
as you don't want it to ever happen, but it does. Yeah. Well, anyway, sir,
I'm thanks for joining us, and it sounds like a
fun time.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It really does score. Will you let me.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Know, well, you'll you'll be on the text list.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
For sure, okay, because we will make it another We'll
have to talk with her also, because that'll be a
great story to hear it from her and her side
on her point of view too. You got it, Andy,
Thanks man, and good luck. That's Andy Peterson Welman Sports Marketing.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
And he's a really really.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Good guy and he's a great dad too. And I hope,
really I wish you. I wish your success be kind
of fun, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
It would be it would be helped you out out
compete her brother.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I bet she does. She will, and she sounds very persistent,
very determined. Yes, yes, we will take a pause and
be back with mister Mark Kurtz and talking fishing, hunting
and what's going on down in Texas. Right after this,

(32:52):
we're back and Oldurs coming your way until the eight
o'clock hour. Bob Saint Pierre Pheasants Forever is in studio
for a short time next week too. Oh okay, then
I'm going to disappear a little bit yeah, Well, I'm
we're used to Brett and I are used to you
just kind of fighting. Yeah. I don't know what it is,

(33:20):
but you just kind of bounce around. So that's the
way it goes. We just were thankful when you're here.
When you're not, we miss you. Our next guest is
a man that I have known for all gosh a
long time, and he makes his living fishing. Part of
his limit I think is living, but he is.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
He's also a hunter turkey turk shoots turkeys out as
we could out his backyard, I believe, and sounds familiar
my dime down the driveway, You're right down the driveway.
But he also hunts pheasants and guides for pheasants. Also

(33:59):
from courts Pro angler Mark Quartz. It joins us right now. Mark.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Good morning, sir, Good morning guys. How are you well.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
I'm still in a little shock. I got off the
plane late last night from South Texas and I woke
up to this gross white stuff on the ground. A
little little culture shock, but yeah, you know it's uh,
it's good. I'm doing really good.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
You know, you'll get no sympathy from me, man, I'm
just telling you, I'm I'm killing the world's greatest whiner
about snow and now.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
So you know I did something for the first time
in my life. Billy, what's that? I actually duck hunted
in shorts.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Oh my goodness, gracious, how was it?

Speaker 8 (34:44):
And it was. I'm gonna tell you you know how
nice it is to sit in the duck blind in shorts.
It's amazing not be bundled up like a snowman. You
actually shoot well, you know, you're not trying to get
the gun around four layers of.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Clo There might be alligators in them waters.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
There is, yeah, alligators. We did not see any of those,
so I wasn't too worried about it. But no, what
an amazing trip. We went down and filmed a couple
episodes for Lake Commandos and and got a day in
that it was windy and rainy, and we took the
airboat and went and I seen the most amazing thing

(35:26):
I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen that
many redheads in one area. I mean, really, tens of
thousands of redheads. It's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well, tell us about Lake Commandos and I read some
things about it. As you were being asked to take
over tell everybody what Lake Commandos if they don't have
television or they don't have cable, what it is and
what you're doing.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
Yeah, so I was lucky enough Steve Panas asked me
to take over Lake Commandos after he had hosted it
for thirteen years. I was lucky enough beyond all thirteen
years of that show, and so he asked myself and
Chad Cool who's a producer, to take it over, and
so we took it over in August. I guess is

(36:11):
when the final I guess when we actually took it over.
So we kind of were in a scramble point and
had to get thirteen episodes of TV done. So we're
sitting on twelve right now, and we've got one more
episode to go at will air Quarters one and two
on Outdoor Channel and then it goes to World Fishing

(36:34):
Network and then it goes to MLDTV, which is YouTube
and then that. So, yeah, we're doing a lot of
fun things. We're going to a lot of great places.
We're down Okoboja, Iowa catching some walleyes. We've been out
to South Dakota and caught small mouth bass and crappies.

(36:55):
So yeah, you're going to see a lot of different
techniques used around the Midweest and even down south. So
we're going to have a couple of salt water shows
in this year. So it's a lot of fun. It's
been It's definitely been different, you know from my daily
life of fishing tournaments, going out and producing TV. But
it's been a lot of fun and I've really enjoyed it.

(37:16):
It's just taken away from a little bit of hunting
this fall.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Have you learned things that you didn't really know you
had to know?

Speaker 8 (37:25):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot more to TV, right, Billy.
I Mean it's not just go out and catch as
many fish as you can, and you got to be
able to talk about what you're doing, and you know,
be able to fish multiple species, which I'm very comfortable
doing it. I mean I fish salt water for most
of my life, and so yeah, it's been a learning curves.
It's the whole you know, make sure the camera's in

(37:47):
the right spot at the right time, and and doing
all the extras to make sure you produce a great show.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Well, you're going to do very well at it, Mark,
I know that, and I congratulate.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Yeah, I mean, all wise it's been good. Went out
South Dkota into the Veterans hunt. On the day before
Veterans Day, we took a bunch of veterans out to
Crest Park, South Dakota and filmed the episode of American
Heroes out there, which I'm on the board for American
Heroes Outdoors, which is another television show that airs on

(38:20):
the Outdoor Channel. And then we went further west and
we've actually had planned on doing a lot of pheasant,
but when we get out there, the crops were all
in yet, so we had sunflowers and corn in and
there was a little thousands of birds out there. The
hatch looked really good. Actually seeing a ton of hungarian

(38:41):
so that was really cool to see, and a ton
of sharp tails, so we did kill a few while
we were out there, but then we were lucky enough
to kill a really big white tail. So it's been Yeah,
it's been a great fall.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
That sounds like it.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
You often have great falls, buddy, I'm just selling them.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Know.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
It's normally my season is it goes into October and
then I have, you know, a good majority of the
fall to go hunting and guiding and and things like that.
And with the TV thing. I just haven't had that
much time. So I hunted Minnesota deer hunted Minnesota opening weekend,
and then took off for self goota right way. So yeah,

(39:21):
we've been h it's been busy and I'm not complaining.
Fishing has been phenomenal. We got lucky with probably one
of the best balls that we've had in a long time,
with being able to get on the water, with water
temperatures being right and everything, so it was. It's been
a great fall. And now I'm sure everybody's excited about,

(39:41):
you know, getting ready to go ice fishing.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I'm sure they are, too, Mark, And I know
that you one of your one of your main or
primary sponsors is Pure Fishing, And I also I got
some emails this last week from from it from Pure
Fishing about some of the hard tackle, some of the
not new ones, but they were new to me and
I hadn't seen them before and I've been leaning real

(40:06):
hard on flicker shads for the last few years.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Wow, you rarely share that sort of information, So wait,
color you want to share? Well, I can't find them anymore.

Speaker 8 (40:18):
I'm sure I probably know a guy, Billy that has.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Some well okay, well we'll talk. But it's then the
one of the baits, and I can't remember what they
called it, but it reminded me of a flicker shad,
just a little bit wider wobble than that.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
And the money bag. The money badger, is that what
it is?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (40:42):
We built a standard money badger, and then we also
came out this fall with the shallow money Badger, so
we really covered episode like one to three foot all
the way to twenty twenty foot.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, they and the waters that I fish are everything's well,
that's not everything, but I fishell, it's just me, but
I fish well and we do very well, and it's yeah,
it's it's but the hard baits. I had never fished
really very much hard bait. But man, I'm loving this.

(41:21):
So that's great stuff. I just it really is.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
You know, it's been really fun. And that's one of
the companies that I spend a lot of time with,
and we design a ton of baits. And Dan Spangler,
who's a hardbat designer. I don't know if that kid's
mind ever shuts off. I mean it's every day he's
got a new lewer. He sent his pictures of and
and we're testing and a lot of people don't understand

(41:45):
that a lot of these baits that we produced take
two to three years to get to a final product.
You know, you'll get a concept and then you'll get
prototypes and then you go out and fish them. We
actually do tests against baits that we're trying to look
at and figure out what it's going to take to
get that same action or if there were feel like

(42:07):
we're missing something in the water column, you know, we
try to design a bait for that. So, I mean,
Dan is just an absolute genius when it comes to
building hard baits. And and that's the unique thing about
Berkeley versus a lot of the other companies. We have
a test facility that we actually can record vibrations, we
can we have an underground tank that we can actually

(42:30):
go down under. It's twenty foot deep, so you can
see a dive curve. There's a lot to it. And
that's the that's the super cool thing about the Berkeley
Labs is that's really what it is. It's it's a
lab and and the guys do a great job down
in Spirit Lake, Iowa.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Well, when you're talking about the creation of the baits
mark are they created to something. Let let's say that
you have an idea. Are they created that idea or
are they created to imitate or both.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Both?

Speaker 8 (43:09):
Really, you know, when you look at a lot of
the technologies today, whether we talk about forward facing sonar
or you know, just sonar in general, you start to
try to figure out how you can get a bait
to certain depths or you know, fish certain water columns,
and and so when you start designing a bait, is

(43:29):
it is it going to be a casting bait? Is
it going to be a trolling bait? You know, those
are the first two things you look at. Is it
going to be a shallow bait or a deep bait?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (43:39):
Is it going to be a wide wobb or is
it going to be a super tight wobble. Is it
going to have rattles or no rattles? So there's a
lot that goes into it. And and that's the thing
like when we're testing, and some will have rattles, some won't.
And is it a weight transfer system? Because if it's
a casting bait, you want to wait transfer system so
that bait casts a long ways. So when when you

(44:03):
talk about baits and looking for certain actions. That's really
what it comes down to. And so and then it
has to catch fish, right, I mean, that's ultimately the goal,
is it to be able to catch fish. And and
so not only do we have fish down there in
our lab that we can actually run baits around and

(44:23):
count how many times they strike it or go after it,
how they react to it.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
Do they turn away?

Speaker 8 (44:29):
Do they keep going after it if they don't, you know,
because we don't obviously have books on them there, so
do they keep going after it and hitting it multiple times?
And then once we figure that out in the lab,
then we take them out in the real world situation.
And you know, we do a lot of testing up
in Fergus Fall area. We do a lot of testing
in the Dakotas. So we go to lakes where we

(44:52):
can catch a lot of fish, but then do tests
to see, okay, does the rattles make a difference on
on this particular bait or you know, we might have
two wobbles, one tight one and one wide one. And
so then you really just put it head to head.
And that's how we come up with the baits that
we come up with.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
We have to take a pause Can you stay with
us for a segment?

Speaker 8 (45:15):
Absolutely wonderful.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Our guest is Mark Quartz. We're talking. I don't know
what we're talking. We're kind of bouncing all over hunting
and fishing and duck hunting. We're gonna ask Mark about
duck hunting and shorts too. That is a unique thing,
and I think it's kind of cool, very cool actually.
But we'll take that pause and we'll be right back

(45:38):
with more Mark Quartz after this.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Did you catch that that bumper? Coming back to guaranteed human?
I want to vouch that you're human. You have no
idea what I'm referencing. Welcome back to stand out Doors Captain.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Three minutes after the hour of seven o'clock, Classic Bob
Saint Pierre going on here in the break.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Guaranteed human.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, gee, I have no clue what he's talking about,
but we'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It's not artificial intelligence, it's Captain. Oh yeah, that's human.
I can guarantee that guarantee.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Our guest, our guest right now is mister Mark Courtz,
and we've been talking creation of tackle and heartbeats from Berkeley,
of which he is pretty deeply involved. And it's kind
of interesting too, Okay, Mark, I think that I think
a lot of us, myself included, kind of take for

(46:58):
granted that you go into his and these baits just come.
It's like an egg. You just hatch it and they
show up. And I don't think we really understand or
realize all the planning and the testing and everything that
goes into them before they get on the shelf. Pretty amazing,

(47:20):
it is, Billy.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
And when you look at not only just hard bats
soft baits, I mean, you know, we've got a lot
of super super cool stuff. I was down in Charleston,
South Carolina, and we've got a facility down there and
we were going over new products coming out and for
twenty six and I mean, it's just super cool to see,

(47:41):
you know, what these guys are doing. And we've got
some mad scientists when it comes to sense and bait
colors and things like that too. So yeah, I really
look forward to the future. And that's one of the
things that you know, like you said, people don't take
for it because there is so many new baits out

(48:04):
there and new sense and new technology and plastics and
all those things.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
You know.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
I mean, if we look back, you know, the Gulf
Minimal still today is probably one of the most used
baits around the country, whether you talk about panfish, whether
you talk about walleys, whether you talk about bass. So
you know, everybody that has these issues of getting live
bait and all the issues that there is, you know,

(48:31):
transporting live bait. Now, there really isn't a need for
live bait. I mean, if I look back at this
season on the Professional Wall, I said things there wasn't
I don't know if there was a tournament that I
actually used live baits. So it's it's pretty amazing to
see the technology in the future.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Of fishing well. And if from the other side, mark too,
the companies have to do something in order to stay
in existence too.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
One hundred percent. And that's one of the things that
you're seeing is you know, the companies that are surviving
are the ones that are continue to create new baits
and come out with new products. You know, we've got
some new lines coming, We've got new rods coming, new
reels coming. It's it just never ends. It's it's just like,
you know, these guys are constantly developing new things, and

(49:21):
so it's super cool to see where the industry is going.
And I'm looking forward to being a part of it
for as long as I can. Anyway, Well, I'm on
your twenty seven. Let's keep her going.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, I hear you, buddy, I hear you. I really do. Well,
let's let's go hunting for a little bit. You mentioned
that you were down in South Dakota, and I think
last year or the year before when we spoke, you
were guiding down there. How did that go this year?

Speaker 8 (49:52):
They're doing really well. The birds are phenomenal out there.
I didn't get a chance to get out there and
go and guide, but I have been out there. I
did stop in and see the guys, and and we
went further west. We were in the basically then the
northwestern corner of South Dakota when I was deer hunting,

(50:13):
and I like literally could see the North Dakota border
when I shot my deer. But the amount of pheasants
out there is absolutely awesome Western Minnesota. The pheasant hatch
was phenomenal. So yeah, there's a lot of pheasants. And
and this is the time of year and now we
finally got snow on the ground and all the crops
are starting to get out, and for the most part,

(50:34):
out west, they were all out, but further the further
west we went, that's where we started to see a
lot more crops. When we got west of the Missouri River,
there was still a lot of crops in and a
lot of it had to do with rains, lake fall
and things like that. But uh, yeah, no, the the
amount of birds out there is looking good. And one

(50:55):
of the things that I think we've see in here
and I've been seeing on social media is that a
lot of those ducks and geese from up north are
just starting to really make that transition south. But when
I was in South Texas this week, I can tell
you there was a lot of redheads and a lot
of other species of ducks. So that was kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Have you has this a first for you to go
down there and that environment and hang out for a bit.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
Yeah. It was not so much on the fishing side
of things, because my grandparents had a place in South
Texas when I was young, so that's really where I
kind of cut my teeth in saltwater fishing. But it
was the first time I'd ever duck on it, and
that was super cool to see. And I mean even
when we were out and we were actually wade fishing
while we were there, and so you're fishing in anything

(51:48):
from knee deep to maybe waist deep water, and which
was super fun. I mean, you know, to be right
there with the fish and to see everything. So I
caught lots of red fish, got lots of speckled trout,
so it was it was a super fun trip with the.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
With the waterfall that are down there.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
If a person is used to that, and I have
never been there the preface what I'm saying, but if
you haven't seen that, that's got to be quite a
spectacle when you're talking comparing to Minnesota and experiences up here.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
So I didn't know it, and as I was talking
to my friend Matt that him and his wife run
a little business down there in Port Mansfield. Port Manfield
Fishing and hunting charters. But it was of the redhead's
winter in South Texas and Mexico. So the flights and

(52:45):
what these birds do is they rest on the bay,
they eat the seedgrass, and then they go inland to
get fresh water to drink. So these birds are kind
of in a transition all day long, back and forth.
So the flight really goes all day long, and you know,
we set up obviously before sunrise, and to watch those

(53:08):
guys raise up with the amount of birds that are
down there was absolutely insane. The sky turns black and
it's just flock after flock after flock, and you're allowed
to redheads down there. They do shoot lots of pintails,
they shoot teal, they shoot shovelers, they shoot uh gadwells

(53:31):
and wigeon. We shot snow goose, so that, yeah, they
get a little bit of everything. San Hill cranes a
lot of them winter down in South Texas, so there's
a yeah, there's there's a ton of waterfall down there,
and it was super cool. I mean, you're waiting in
knee deep water and are They actually have a short
hair that they use for retrieving, So all our ducks

(53:54):
get retrieved by a short hair, which was super fun.
And yeah, it was just a just a unique trip.
Most of the duck hunting is done out of the
airboat and then they take you and they build a
blind with palm leaves and you sit on shore and yeah,
it was just absolutely something I had never seen and
it was super cool.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Uh cool.

Speaker 8 (54:14):
And the cool thing is that all the birds are
typically in their full plumes. So the redheads we had were,
you know, just gorgeous birds, and and the TiO were
really pretty. So you know, by the time they get
down there, they're in their full plumes. The pintails have
big sprigs on them. So if you're looking for, you know,
a duck to go on the wall or a full
plumage of some of those species, that's definitely a place

(54:37):
to go.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I'd be there in a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I'd love to have that anyway.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Mark, Thank you so much, buddy, and I really appreciate it.
Are you going to be around Minnesota for a while now?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Are you off?

Speaker 3 (54:49):
And again?

Speaker 8 (54:49):
I am, I'm going to I'm gonna be home for
a little bit here. I might try to sneak out south,
go to one more time to get the dogs a
little bit of a pheasant hunting in, and then then
we'll say to go down south over the holidays and
then we'll be back. So yeah, looking forward to the
rest of the fall. And I'm gonna go try to
enjoy this white stuff today.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Good luck, you can enjoy it plenty for me to
have fun.

Speaker 8 (55:14):
Sounds good guys, have a great day.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah you too, Mark, We'll talk again.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Buddy. That's Mark Kurtz and he's a good friend. We
have known each other for a long long time. We
will take a pause and be back with none other
than Tackle Terry. I think that I don't. I think
he's looking for ice now. At one time he was
looking for open water. I think he's looking for ice.

(55:41):
But we'll find out right after this eighteen minutes after

(56:02):
the hours seven a m. On a fan outdoors Saturday morning,
Bob Saint Pierre in studio. He has birds on his mind.
I can tell you that right now. This is this
is transparent. Oh yeah, yeah. There was a man that
had his boat winter rise June third. It was fourth

(56:25):
of July, but no, I think it was a closer
in June. You're already talking about it. And our next guest,
he's his boats. They're winter rised, but they're all set
to come back out to in a moment's notice. If
we would find spring again almost last week, yeah, almost,
lakes are wide open. I was just up there, tackle Terry.

(56:47):
There's when I was up with the lake this last week.
It was wide open. But my friend in the bait
shop told me that he expected it anytime. It could
be now that the bays were going to be frozen,
then there will be ice fishing soon.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
Well, good morning to you and good running everyone. You're
exactly right. Yes, the bays are definitely skimming over. On
the lake we live, the bays are skimmed over, and
it won't be long with the cold weather coming. The
only issues, especially in our area here, we're talking quite
a bit of snow, so that's not a good thing.

(57:23):
But then I just talked to Riverbend Resort and they're
going to anti space time to fish on lake. What's
the seventh of.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
December, really, Terry, it was just wide open?

Speaker 7 (57:34):
Yeah. Yeah, But you know what really made a big
difference here. I don't know about you guys, but we've
had an awful lot of wind and even with the
cold temperature has really kept the lakes pretty much wide open.
But it appears that it's going to change and we'll
be ice fishing even here, I think, much more than anticipated.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, Terry, if we get if we get a lot
of wind when the lakes are freezing up and it
gets rough, that's kind of a that's the kiss of
death too.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
Yeah, it really is. You're one hundred percent right. Yeah,
where you have those ridges on the ice itself or
becomes extremely rough, or you have you know, trouble traveling
on that ice. It is a big factor. And then
the other thing too, on the wind side of that lake.
Many times you have those big ice builds up. So
there's a lot of factors here too. Let's just hope

(58:28):
we don't get a lot of snow and a nice
freeze up and no wind.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yeah, I agree with you. I mean for the sake
of not so much me, but for the sake a
lot of sake of a lot of industries and a
lot of companies that really really look forward to ice
and they haven't had good ice the last few years.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
Yeah, you're right, and you know it just a last
year was a good year. But the ice fishing industry
is the products are selling now already, and a lot
of people have ice fishing on their mind. I don't
know how many people I've talked to talking about new
products and what's new and you know, and where we're

(59:09):
going to go and what we're going to fish for.
In fact, I just talked to my neighbor yesterday about
ice fishing. So it is becoming a big part of
today's outdoor activities.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Well, the ice Show is coming up right around the corner, TERRYA.
What are you looking for down there this year?

Speaker 7 (59:27):
Well, yeah, it really is. We're going to see a
lot of new products again coming out and I'll be
at the VXR Boat bill Boat Friday and Saturday, and
also too, we'll be doing a panel discussion. We're talking
about different destinations so forth, and we'll be joined with

(59:47):
Dave Gains and Jason Mitchell and there'll be at two
o'clock on Friday. So I didn't invite anybody to come
out over to the vex our Boat talk fishing or
be sure to attend a the panel discussion on Friday
at too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
What are the topics, Terry, Well, it's going to be
a lot of talking about destination, but Matt Johnson is
going to do the m seeing of that, and I
know he mentioned to me we'll talk about different techniques
and how to catch these fish, what to look for
in that specific fishery.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
And at the ends you can be general answering a
lot of questions from the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
And there's always there, always seems to be so many
questions that people have. And that's okay too, because not
everybody is on the same level as some of the
everybody else, and that's how they learn to is asked
the questions, Well.

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
You're exactly right, and you know, a lot of times
you hear the question, well, what do I need to
just start to ice fish? Or how much do I
need to pay for a rod and a real Do
I need a two hundred dollars roden real combo for
ice fishing? Or what kind of clothes you know, oh,
hobbot line. Those are a lot of questions that are asked,
you know, or like how much jigging action? These are

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so many questions that are asked at at at seminars
or hopefully at the panel discussion or at the booth itself.
And the best way to learn, of course is you know,
ask questions. But actually the best way, just like would
open water fishing, get out and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Well, yeah, but I think that it's important for people
to come and see that different people, different pros, have
different ways of doing everybody arriving at the same ultimate end.

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
Yes, you're exactly one hundred percent right, yeah, and you know,
and it's really what it boils down to, I think, Bill,
is that it really is it's that individual him or
herself that you know, really maybe pay electric a lot
of attention to electron mix, you know, jigging actions a

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selecting the right rod and real and you know, and
once you put all those together, so to speak, then
you've become very successful. And you're right, it's going to
be different grades of experiences.

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
I think one big factor here is you know, patients,
concentration and having the right equipment. These are all ingredients
that's catching fish today well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
And the right equipment doesn't necessarily mean the high end
the best, very best of everything either.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
I mean it does not exactly right. That's one, you know,
Plus frice fishing, you can go alter and you can
start with very inexpensive products. The biggest thing is you
stay warm out down the ice, otherwise you're going to
lose interest in concentration. But you're right, you can start
a very very you can startle with really, to be

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honest with you, you know, if you're just going to
fish for sunfish and crappies, you can get by with
a couple of rods and you know, inexpensive portable house.
There's so many things we can do with that. Not
spending a ton of money and then to bait too,
is you know, you don't have to go and invest
in twenty five hours worth of bait just to out
the fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
No, I agree, Terrian. I think that's that's the draw
that a lot of people have, and a lot of
the kids too. And when I was younger, all we
had was a stick and a piece of line basically
with a spike in the end of the stick, some
straight hard rod and when you get a bite, you

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just take off running the other way and the fisher
come flying out of the hole.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
We just got blood, right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
I even made some of those ice fishing stakes with
you know, going to the lumberyard and getting some and
I don't even know what they call them, the poland
and put the stike, the spike in it. Yeah, And
that was our fishing, you know, And then of course
graduated to remember the inexpensive Jago rods. Yeah, I still

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see people using a bill.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Well, sure you do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
I mean that's you just put the line to put
the rod down there and you got probably five dollars
invested in the rod and it'll do everything you wanted
to do. And what you want to do is to
catch a fish.

Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
Right, Yeah, you're right, you know, just and of course
you know, investing in technology and the equipment, you're going
to be more productive. I don't there's any question about that.
You're trying to learn as much as you can. Is
another big factor, and I still maintain today is using
patients out there. Don't give up immediately if you're not

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catching fish. Just have a very positive attitude and you
will be successful. Just pay attention to you know, weather conditions,
fishing pressure, and for sure pick out the specie you're
going to pursue. Do not go out there and I
Am going to fish for whatever it's going to bite that.
It's just not a good approach.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
And if I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Going out and I change that all the time, Terry,
I say that I'm going to fish crappies and I
end up on the sunfish or catch a wall man.
That's what I'm fishing for whatever comes up out of
that hole.

Speaker 7 (01:05:13):
But you know, but but you know you're not going
to go to uh, you know, anticipate fishing just you know, sunfisher,
crappies and you okay to catch a wall you know,
that's I think a different scenario by you say I'm
going to go fishing walleyes and you don't look for
you know, sunfisher, crappies. I think you really need to

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because therefore, then too, what you're really doing is you're
really taking the tackle and the locations that you're going
to be fishing for. And I think that's such a
big ingredients sketching fish terry.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
You know, in my world too, as long as I'm warm,
I can be patient, but as soon as I get cold,
I'm going to be one of the ones dancing around
on the ice and thinking about there's got to be
a warmer thing to do than this.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
But you're right, you know, I don't know how many
times I've seen people, you know, basically many times sitting
on the bucket or just kneeling down the ice and
they're cold. You can see that they're cold, they're shivering.
And what happens then is we start our brain automatically
since a message to our body to start to shiver.
We have no control over that. So therefore then confidence

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and patients become secondary, and that's going to red affect
our fishing productivity. It's just it's a big, big factor.
That's why it's so important. Just while they're invest in
good clothing, and that good clothing doesn't mean it has
to be just rice fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I agree, Well, any in the winter area and
in the winter time, any clothing that's warm is good clothing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:51):
Yes, you're right, you know, and it just here again too.
You know, the layering system we all hear about the
warm clothing also is a good spent but just you know, basically,
just keep your feet in your hands and your head
area warm. Those are going to be the main parts
of the body that you really have to and you
want to avoid frost by. I've had frost by too

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many times over the years, and mother Nature always remind
me of those tender spots every time I go out.
No wonder time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
When I was a kid, my dad had and this
is a long time ago, but he had some Army
surplus flight clothing, flight pants and flight the long jacket,
and they were.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
They were really really warm.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
If you could if they could stand the weight that
you had on your body, because they had to weigh
twenty pounds in trying to move that around.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
It just didn't oh right, though.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
I do recall, in fact, I can remember when the
first time I went out fishing with my dad. We're
the only two sitting on the lake bill and I
think at that time when we were growing up, we
were almost competing can I handle this with Mother Nature?

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
Then?

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
You know, just going out there and catching fish. You know,
almost like who was the hardest person out there that
could withstand Mother Nature's elements? And now that's all change.
With unbelievable clothing we have available and even you know,
with the equipment we have, the heating system, we have wheelhouses,
kid houses, portable houses, we can go on and not

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with how we can really enjoy the time on the
ice am also being very presure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I totally agree, Terry. And that's and it's really for
people who haven't ice fished, and either maybe they're from
the South and they don't don't realize what it is.
It is a very very nice, wonderful pastime to get
your heads around straight again and just not be having

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to think about what's going on in the world and
everything else. You're just it's quiet and you're just concentrating
on what you're doing right there and having a blast.

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Well, you're one hundred percent, creck. I agree with you,
one hundred percent, and you're thing too, Bill is it's
a great time to really enjoy mother nature. Maybe you're
getting out there before daybreak watching the sunrise, or going
out and you watching the sunset. Maybe there's some geese
sitting on you, so you see a couple of eagles. Uh,
you know, a really enjoying mother nature at the same time.

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And like you said, it's a very relaxing time. Of course,
that relaxing time can be dependent on the individual too.
How bad you want to catch fish, right, you know,
But but here too, you're one hundred percent crack. It's
totally different environment than open water fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
And it can if you go fishing with Bob, it's
like a fire drill.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
It's just because you can get his line, you can
have him fishing for a big one, the biggest fish
he's ever had on his life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
It's hilarious. It's really funny. It like stays with you too.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
But hey, hopefully that is that true, Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
You never know. I never got it in tackle.

Speaker 7 (01:10:03):
But but you know it is. Just I think it's
a wonderful sport, and it is. It's a fast growing activity.
You see more and more of it. And also too,
I've seen an awful lot of young families out there
fishing many times. You know, if it's a portable for
the wheelhouse or a skid house maybe Marshall wheelhouses or portable,

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but especially wheelhouses where you see a whole families out there.
They're there for the weekend. The kids, they're running around,
they got a grill outside.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
And that's really part of the ice fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Environment that that terry I will agree totally with. And it's, uh,
that is a phenomenon that's not too old, but it's
also unique to the Upper Midwest or the Midwest too
where we got.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
We got wheelhouses, and so you know, there's not a
lot of states that you know, offer that kind of
fishing with ice conditions that access the ability to these lakes.
But you're right, it is really something to get out
there and enjoy it. You know, you really got you know,
all the comforts of the camper in the summertime on
that ice, and you got generators, you got heat, you

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got some of them have several math toilets in them.
So they're just so many things you can do and
just to really enjoy a weekend on the ice.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
YEP, totally agree Terry, you're going to be down at
the Ice Show in a week correct.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
Yes, yeah, it'll be will be there Friday and Saturday
in the thatch Star Boots will be showing showing that
fl X eighteen, that new unit, and then I'll be
there both Friday and Center Dex Star Boats and on
Friday I will be joined with Dave Agains and Jason
Mitchell with pand of discussion June. That'll be a two
block on Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Wonderful. Thank you sir for joining us this morning. And
I hope your weekend is a good one. And if
the ice is solid, go fishing. If not, stay off
the ice.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
That's exactly correct. Thank you guys so much. You have
a great weekend and we'll see everybody at day show.
Make sure you stop and see how you there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
That's tackle. Terry joins us every other week on Fan Outdoors.
So we will take our final break before it's time
for in the zone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
But don't go anywhere yet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
We'll see what Bob has got planned for us coming
up right around the corner. Yeah, our producer is waiting

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patiently for me to say, well, last segment, so he's uh,
he's happy he is happy again now, but it is
and once again a reminder to keep it here on
the fan because in the zone follows us and last

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week it was just a one hour show. And I
think this year, this week we're back to full strength
against So it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Might be a little talk about how the Green and
Gold destroyed the Honolulu Blue and Silver for the second
time this year. Yeah, I know, we just don't have
it this year. Yeah, I don't know. Now it's onto
the Bears because apparently they're good. Apparently beat the Super
Bowl champions yesterday. They look terrible. Anyways, we'll get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
These teams that were so good last year and the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Baby, Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Lions have got not much of a roar left any
how much not much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
We're moving on to the Red Wings, who have all
of a sudden went into a losing street. Uh, the
opposite of the Wild who have found their way. He
at least the Pistons are good. Yeah, there is that. Yeah,
we get the Wolverines today. Well there's yeah that game.
The game back to the outdoors. Yes, yes, it's snowing out, Captain,

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it is. It's coming down, coming down in a flurry.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
So it's time for you to drive home. Yeah, I'll
just stay out of my way. Come slip sliding by
you man, Hopefully it's not slippery. I hope not either.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
But keep that in mind if your if your travels today,
take you by the highways and byways are out and about.
Be safe as you go because that makes a big
difference for everybody involved, especially in the holiday season two
or any season. And once again, remind your kids to
stay off of the ice, and sometimes you got to

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remind the adults to stay off of the ice if
it's not safe. There's no fish in the world that
is worth a life, none, not one. So that being said,
this is the time of year. Like Chad yesterday found
pheasants all bunched up down so that they are going

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to bunch up. They're not just running them unusually, there
aren't the normal routines that are coming because they're getting
together again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, I was down south yesterday as well. Just the
dusting snow, sleepy eye to Marshall. I think that's changing
as we speak. So I think it's based on what's
happening here. The predictions are heavier snows up to ten inches.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Aren't you excited about first snow and Pheasants.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I am, but I'm not excited about driving to get there,
So I'm not entirely sure. I don't think I'm gonna
head into the mix today. I am planning to go
tomorrow though, And it looks a little bit chili Captain
high of fifteen. I'm going tomorrow, can I can? I

(01:16:14):
reminisce a little bit? Oh boy? Are we going to
go for the gray Squirrel?

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
No? No, no, no, it's a slippery roads. Oh yeah, are.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
You coming down the wrong direction on my side of
the road down by Wasika?

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, And I ended up in the ditch and that
wasn't super fun.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
No, no, that wasn't fun at all. That was was
that from the Pheasant Summit? No? No, we you and
I boy? That was a long time ago now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
But we did a a Do we do a Thursday
night show?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
I think we did a Thursday night show. Then we
hunted on Friday. Because this is pre date, this pre
dates Thursday Night NFL. So we did a Thursday night
fan outdoors, then we hunted on Friday, and then we
did a Saturday morning show and then we were driving
home and driving home on that Saturday was slippery. Oh boy.

(01:17:15):
But we did maybe two seasons for sure, one season
where we did maybe eight shows on the road, maybe
maybe at eight. But one of my memories, it was
a fond memory too. We got into a cattail slough
and it was the biggest cattail slow ever seen in

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my life. That was with Aaron Sandquist. I remember that
cattail sow that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Was that was so giant, and I had no I
couldn't see my way around, I couldn't see anything. Yeah,
I kept talking to my dogs so to be sure
they would stick around, and I had visions of never
seeing them again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Am I thinking of the same cattail slow where we
with Aaron? I think, so, you don't you know he's
a tall guy, so that's so he sticks out in
my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Well, the uh, I can't, I can't. I just remember
the size of that of that cat fail slough. It
was just he ginormous. And but we've had some interesting experiences.
There was one that you were stuck at a snow
bank and you were right up to your chest.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Abbott was with us on that, I believe. So that
was with Oh, that was kind of a promotional like
let's talk about crap or wasn't it that was? That
was actually before all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
I can remember is it was me or somebody had
to get you out.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
Of this hand.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Matt Holland pulled me out of that snow bank. And
that was before I started doing uh regularly with you.
That was maybe this season before I remember being pulled
out of a snow I remember that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yes, But then as we traveled the one time going
out to the river, out to the Missouri out there, yeah,
and doing the radio show from that Fort Byle Estate
real estate office.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
In Fort Betton, Montana, the bloodiest block in the West.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
And the the mule deer came wandering right down the
middle of main street during the show. It was like
somebody just released it to walk by the window. But
then we got onto the island and across a little
bit of a water to get on the island, and
the pheasants were out there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah. We hunted up what do you say, forty acre
island in the middle of the Missouri River, and there
was three of us and we each shot a limit
of versters on that forty acre island.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
And I remember putting the pheasant up and it was
getting out over the river and I had a beat
on it, and I knew if I dropped it, it
was going to land in the river and hit the
current and go down and my dog would have gone.
And I was worried I was going to lose it
in the current, and I didn't shoot. But it went

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up up, up, higher and high. I remember that bird too,
and it lit just prior to getting to the very top.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
It like in a crevice. Yeah, it was in the
canyon rather than going all the way up to the
top of the egg field. He was he was safe there.
He was very safe there. That bird was not going
to be hunted.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
No, no, And it was so high it was just
a speck in the sky that you could see land.
That was That was really fun. You shot a duck
on that trip, too, didn't you? I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I came.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you had a Montana waterfall license
and he did a sneak. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
I think that I was the only one that had
the license. I think you and Anthony, that was the
time I had to paddle so hard. I've never forgotten that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
You never let me forget that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I will never forget to there's like four or five
canoes going down the Missouri room. And I was paired
with a gentleman, a young man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Who from Iowa, Yeah, from I won't mention his name.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
No, his paddle just kind of leaned over the bow
of the mote. And Bob said, well, you want to
be in the back because I see he's just places
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Well, your name is the captain.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Let's be real, all right, So I won't forget because
everybody went to the shore and I'm trying to turn
that dang boat and get back to the side to
join the group. And I'm down about thirty forty yards
from everybody else as as soon as I can get
the shore. But it was so fun. That was a

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fun trip. Yeah, it was really a good time, long drive.
I got a pack for a trip today.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Oh, I'm leaving for Kansas. I will be in studio
with you next week, but then the following Sunday go
to Kansas. Our annual Rooster road trip is in Kansas
this year. So and where what states will you hit?
Just Kansas. We're traveling a couple different spots within the

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state of Kansas. So Pheasants ba Boy quail, chance of prairie,
greater prairie chicken. So yeah, it'll be have it haunted
Kansas in five years years?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Is that kind of the end of your hunt for
a while?

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
To be determined, to be determined. I we have a
cabin up the gun Flint for Christmas. So the season
still open, but depends on how much snow there is.
Some years it's been really good late season, grouse running
up there. Other years it's pretty hard to move. So

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we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
The skiing will turn out. The skiing will will be
the plan. B Yeah, and I still want a video
or you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Crash, we'll be we'll be talking about that before love.
I'm sure there's some hunting to do before that. Yeah,
schedu skeeduring. Yeah yeah, Where where I ski and have
the dodge pull me? Yeah, that's what you want? A video,
like a video, just anything, it would be great. I

(01:23:36):
really will where I rapidly approach the ski season when
I look outside.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Yeah, well it's uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Do you have a ski report?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
I have no ski report other than it is snowing.
It it is snowing, and I think we have seen
the end of the warmer weather until we get to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
April, I think we are transitioning from autumn to winter.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, and I think the Hildebrandt family is going to
be selecting a Christmas tree soon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
No, is that today?

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Not today?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
No, you're not going to leave. Drive home after the
show and not leave.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
I will go down in front of my woodstove and
I will put thee I will feed it and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
The day logs in the fire.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yeah. Yeah, it's really really nice and warm down there.
It's at the expense of the rest of the house
because it's quite chilly when the woodstove burns upstairs because
the furnace doesn't run, and it's nice and warm. But
it's cool, cool upstairs. But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Thanksgiving was good. It was good. Yeah, yeah, pretty low key.
Did a turkey on our weber turned out great.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Your turkey turned out turned out. It was close. It
was both. But it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
And we've got a little bit of leftovers, although the
kids took the majority of it. I have enough for
breakfast and maybe a snack, So that's okay. Music is playing,
which means that, man, it's time, so I will say
thank you to our guests. To Andy Peterson for joining us,
and really I wish you success and we'll find out

(01:25:26):
about it. To Mark Courts for joining us also and
sharing some things interesting information about creation of Bates and
what goes into it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Tackle Terry for.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Reminding us that the Ice Show is next week, but
thank you for letting us travel with you on this
fine day. For Brett Blakemore, my executive producer and friend.
Also for Bob Saint Pierre, my traveling friend. I am
Billy Hildebrand. Wishing you a wonderful weekend. Till next week,
Tata