November 10, 2025 • 49 mins
Reaction, takes, talkbacks and more off yesterday's loss to the Ravens~!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, I guess I good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I guess it only hurts when you laugh, It only
hurts when you cry. It only that good work with
that montage Nordo by the master mixer of the Monday
montage Nine to Noon.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm disappointed. I could only fit. I could only fit
I think five or six fall starts in there. I
left audio on the table. Yeah, so it wasn't perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
If you were you were in, if you were in
your producing bag with that Diana Ross and the Supremes,
Stop stop, just stop.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Stop in the name of love. Just stop.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Already first home team since two thousand and nine to
have at least eight fall start in fractions at home.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Stop in the name.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Of love when we lovingly request our favorite football team.
Just with all that and the airmailing of the passes
and immortality stopping for some reason on a pick and
taking the highs up to cloud nine and the lows
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then have us all crashing to the ground and just
splatting with football fandom carnage.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All over the place.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Stop like the lady saying, stop in the name of love.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Welcome to nine to Noon.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The order produces master mixer Monday Montage impeccable, and I'm
Paul Allen.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You know, into the season.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know what triggered me to think of this
last night, but into the twenty twenty five Minnesota Vikings
football season, yours truly said, I expect the twenty twenty
five Minnesota Vikings to make the playoffs and win a game.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Remember that, met I do remember that. Yeah, it had
a little mandate would be too strong, but.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I think it was in the spirit of a good team,
quality roster, good coaching. You've been to the playoffs twice,
you're zeroing too, and that's the next wrong on the ladder.
The evolution of it is you're going to go to
the postseason and this time you're actually going to come
out with a w.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There also was a side of to whom much is given,
much as expected. So the context was off fourteen victories
last season and with the veterans brought in and belief
the kid quarterback, and belief in the kid quarterback, it's
time to win a playoff game. Lots of accolades and
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flowers were heading the way of several and to whom
much is given, much is expected. Now there was a qualifier,
it's it's fiqua fairness and qualifying act.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Find this to be fair.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The qualifier was that predictive bet is off if you
have a string of season long, debilitating injuries. Remember that
part the con Yes, I can't remember, all right, So
let's unpack that. Like seventeen different offensive line combos, two quarterbacks,
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no Cashman for a month, Van Ginkel out longer, No
Aaron Jones for a month, Aaron Jones out five of them. Yes,
that's a lot, and was at the time debilitating. Stop,
but they got all.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But they got all of them.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Say center Ryan Kelly back with ten to go and
with three victories, then they professionally beat one of the
game's best with said studs back intact, then yesterday happened.
All right, My expectations have not changed. If most of
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the guys playing now stay healthy the rest of the way. Yeah,
I'm foolhardy as people may think it is. I will
be frustrated and I will be mad if the Minnesota
Vikings do not make the playoffs. Stop, Okay, four and
five make the playoffs. I get a big money roster.
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We know many of them are very, very good, and
to whom much is given, much is expected. Yeah, so
I and I'm saying we expect leadership to figure out
things and win enough to make the playoffs without debilitating injuries.
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The rest of the way and offensive line combinations eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one. That all factors into it, no doubt.
And if debilitating injuries like that linger to like the
sixty seventy seventy five percent part of the season, well
that's a different conversation when it comes to the expectations
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off the metaphorical predictive bet, the symbolic predictive bet, because
the majority of them outside of the former Indianapolis Center, well,
they're all bat and they're all playing, and they played
quite well. When you beat the Motor City Kitties, sweeping
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Chicago and going three and zero in the division, well
that'd be a good start. That'd be a good start
to the old predictive into the season predictive bet comeback trail.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It's kind of a necessary part of the part of
the predictive VAT and I mean we've worked together a
decade plus, man, I mean I make so many predictions.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's like God rest the soul of Jimmy the Greek
Schneider but when it comes to the local team, specifically
this football team, and when yours truly repeatedly gets rather
loud with the one four team. Yep, we saw a
Week eight team, and we saw the playoff game, and
we've seen the bally hooed veterans that have come in,
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and we like, for the most part what we have already. Yeah,
unless there are more than a handful that are like
lost for the year seventy five percent of the season,
I ain't backing off that thing then. I mean to
who much is given, much is expected, and whether it's
the false starts, whether it's myriad details that went into
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what transpired yesterday and or against the LA Chargers, don't
I don't really have any reason to back off that prognostication,
which would lead to either Oh cool, they rattled off
a bunch of games and they got into the postseason,
and that sure would be sweet if they found a
way to win a game. The other side of it is,
you had significant injuries for fewer than half the games
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of the season, and during that time you found a
way to win three. Then you get back the gank.
The gank. The gink is on fire. Cash Money's playing
out of his skin right now and at tall several others.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And what do you do.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You go to the motor City and you make greater
hits than anybody in Motown ever has Here we come
on cloud nine.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You can be who you want to be.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And then the next week it's stop in the name
of love with the eight fall starts and all the
details that led to the lost yesterday. Yeah, to who
much is given, much is expected, and this has to
be fixed because the right players are playing and we
are more Nine to noon is more than welcoming, willing
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and of the acquiescing variety with the patient's plan, with
the second year quarterback, first year playing regular season games,
second year in the NFL. Now we understand that and
we are in it for the patient's game. All the
details off yesterday's loss and opinions formulated off the sixty
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two O'Connell is coached, I mean, like two point tries
and when to run and when not to run. They
at this moment and that could change segment by segment.
At this moment, they just don't really matter that much
to me. Raising a kid quarterback ain't easy, and we're
living those highs and lows with all of them right now,
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win the game had Soldier field with your arm, your legs,
and your will. Then you can't find a touchdown on
the next one and home against Atlanta, then you're gone.
Upon return, you steal one as a fat underdog against
Aiden Hutchinson and Brian Branch and display to the world
the kid quarterback is bursting at the theams with poise
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and confidence. And then in the next one, stop I mean,
in the next one, you're sailing them like a new
age Josh Freeman. I mean, I'm sorry to play the
Josh Freeman card here, but somebody in the second row
caught a pass yesterday. Hev somebody in the second row
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caught a freaking pass yesterday. And I don't mean second
row of the bench. I don't mean second layer of
the end zone. I mean second row of the stadium.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
That was what over Addison's had wasn't And I don't
know the stop of them.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And and and along. We're both parents, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
There.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
There's personal and there's professional.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It can be challenging raising kids, but it also can
be incredibly satisfying and incredibly rewarding. And along the journey
we just have to remember this side of Tom Brady.
The topsy turvy performances by new quarterbacks have been happening forever.
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We don't need face changes. We know that we've watched
a lot of it. We know that elite football minds
listen to nine to noon. Now we're talking about mad
producer and yours truly God's cartoon character. We know that
we are in for the patient's game, but it's required
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to recognize and factually remember stuff like this with new
quarterbacks has been happening forever. I mean, shoot, John Harbaugh
is one of the greatest coaches in the history of
the National Football League. Man He's fifty three and eighteen
against quarterbacks in their first or second years. Year first
or second year Zah. He finished off Caleb earlier this season,
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did the same to our kid yesterday and JJ McCarthy.
Gaining experience and coming to from emotional wins and realizing
bad games won't be the norm. One day matters immensely
more right now than some of the details to games
on which we harp. The details matter, but the overarcher
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is the progress, lack thereof, or ascension of this kid
quarterback and what's transpiring in front of our very audio
ears is not new to the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Consider the context with just a few new England's.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Drake May through his first four last year was sixty
five percent on his completions. Not bad this year with
all that experience emphasis on the word experience, Now he
leads the National Football League close to seventy five percent.
He also had four picks and took ten sacks in
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his first games last year. Why Why Because kid quarterbacks
can be indecisive and hold the ball too long. But
the gifted push through and our guy JJ McCarthy is very,
very gifted and that can't be disputed. Denver's bon Nicks
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is being raised by one of the greatest offensive minds
in the history of the National Football League. His first
four starts, he completed fifty nine percent of his throws
and threw a pick every single game. Now, with experience,
he might help guide a team to a division title.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Shoot.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Matt Producer believed in bon Nick so much into the
season he put Denver in the AFC title game. It
looked fullhardy at the moment it might happen. What about Lamar?
What about Lamar? Two time MVP making his one hundred
start yesterday. His first four starts in twenty eighteen super special.
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He hit on fifty six percent of his throws, kept fumbling,
and had three touchdowns and three picks, and then he
gained experience. Josh Allen, you say, Josh Allen the quarterback,
not the pass rusher. First four starts, completed fifty five
percent of his passes, which is awful, with one touchdown,
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three picks, and sixteen sacks.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Elle.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean, Josh Allen was running into sacks more than
Josh Freeman. So how much better at ages twenty six
to say twenty nine is Josh Allen than in twenty
eighteen when he was twenty two and riding that roller
coaster we all are on right now with our.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Twenty two years year old quarterback.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, JJ McCarthy is the team's a topic and that's
the end of the story. I mean, we have talkbacks
coming up later. We got two point tried terrorism. We
have seven yards per run throwing forty two. I mean
I slash, we hear it, see it.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Read it all. So we know what's out there.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
We know the slings and arrows of the outrageous negatives
that will be firing our way and It's not that
we disagree with everything, we just don't want the main
thing to be forgotten. JJ McCarthy is this team's a
topic to who much is given, much is expected, and
that's the end of the story. I mean, Shoe, who's
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the greatest quarterback in the history of the Minnesota Vikings.
I mean frand the Man on the fan, brandom man
on the fans, Sir Francis Tarkenton for Super Bowls, he
hosted Saturday Night Live multiple times. He was in the
Monday Night Football Booth h F. In Tarkenton's first four starts, Well,
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you sure look the part of a future hof, didn't he,
you know, completing fifty percent of his passes with one
touchdown and six interceptions. Nineteen sixty one, Twitter would have
labeled fram the Man on the Fan as a bummer
and far out man and all show no go and
would claim he's boguarding the football. I always love that
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one talkback start around nine forty five. Talkbacks around nine
forty five. There's a lot talkbacks. Yeah, free iHeart audio
app thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean, you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's it's a habit state and a habit audience and
the talkback machine was exploding during the Vikings fan line yesterday,
and we fully expected to explode during nine to noon today.
Of those talkbacks started nine forty five. The weekend rap.
The weekend rap starts right now.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Stop in the name of.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
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bears are next and Soldier Field was rocking yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Another Titan's mike in motion.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Here's the snap of a Playpake Willams rolling to his left,
running now fifteen to ten five hold zird tiptoz in
clutch down in the blue pain. Caleb Williams seventeen yards
took care of business himself. He has had himself quite
the day running all over in between away from packing up,
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moving left, moving right, and finally getting into the ends
over the touchdown head a Bears lead twenty three.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Twenty Didn't hear the vox Jeff Joni X say that
much during Caleb Williams first four starts, did you? Bucks
ex spearience box experience, challenging professionally raising these kids.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I would imagine Caleb won the game.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
He and beloved Bjay embraced after the game winner like
they've been waiting for this moment all of their lives.
Caleb is hot and the Baby Bears have won two
in a row in dramatic fashion. And I'm sure Wobble
is going to be high on his Hallas Hall horse
Friday at the Lakeville Feast.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Holy oh great, Oh wait that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
He's out of town, so he's going to be in
studio Wednesday, three two. I'm sure Wobble is going to
be high on his Hallis Hall horse Wednesday in the
six five to one carpets plus studios. But the Friday
Football Feast is at Buffalo Wild Wings Lakeville this week.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
See all there. The Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The Motor City Kitties still have not lost two consecutive
regular season games in more than two years.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Detroit three every sign every twenty eight to five, cut
down Detroit Lions for forty four yards, Sir, sirve together
with days and the Lions have opened up that lead.
It is now forty one to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Nordo, Yes, sir, I heard you laugh during the highlight.
Is that because it only hurts when we laugh? I
always love gract what. I don't know what these Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Maybe we pissed them off, yes, sir, maybe the Vikings
pissed them off.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, Campbell took over the play calling duties.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know I read that this morning only cow Goff
three twenty and three, Gibbs one forty two and two
on the ground, Jamison six and one nineteen six for
one nineteen and one Jamison Williams six one nineteen and one. Hey,
you know what, at least the Commander's got control of
Sam Laporta. I always love that one who failed to score.
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So the Minnesota Vikings next took the Bears, uh then
off the Lambeau and after that they get this guy.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Opening drive by the Seahawks playfake and Donald's gonna roll
left pastime, gonna let it fly. Got a man deep,
reaching a touchdown, say Hawks, and guess who Jackson fifth
and Chicka with the touchdown reception tightly covered but dlopping
that baby in the buckets.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Sam Donald from forty three.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Out balk fixed up Sam the man who used to
be on the fan through twelve passes all game, twelve passes,
and Seattle ran up forty four points and crushed the cards.
We got two defensive touchdowns from DeMarcus Lawrence Carol king,
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I feel the earth move under my feet. I mean
the twelves must have been shaken with DeMarcus Lawrence rambling
up and down that field. They also got a rushing
touchdown from somebody named Olani. Olani and Darnold through twelve passes.
Strange game, strange game.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
This is gonna be another Kamani Vidal situation. We got
to go to a little deep dive in on Olani.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh geez, I don't know about that. We got time.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
This is aggressive, all right. The Minnesota Wild I can't
find my wild notes. That's super duper special.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
All right, Minnesota Wild got the money last night. Sound
a little like.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
This final minute Wild at front one Nothing What a
minute empty net for the Flames Coronado slashed that by Boldie.
It comes free arc tonight except past trouble at center.
He'll puk an egg caprice soving an.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Empty Nutco caprice.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Just see on the Neil.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Lean what forty nine point three seconds ago capriz OFVN
Boldy get on the score sheet last night.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Boldi gets the game winner in period number two Calgary
in town. Jasper Wallstett gets the first home shutout of
his lifetime, and the Minnesota Wild hook the They've gotten
hot all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
They beat the Islanders on a back to back.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I thought they played quite well, specifically offensively against the
speedy Carolina Hurricanes, despite losing four to three, So that
frown has been turned upside down. And now they've won
two consecutive. They get the ratty Sharks tomorrow night. And
that's part of an elongated home stand that has some
cool teams here this weekend. A sky you Mom, Minnesota Wild,
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sky you mom uh, the Minnesota Timberwolves. Basically within the
last week it went like this. Chris Finch turned fifty
six years of age on Thursday. On Wednesday, they basically
ruined his fifty six birthday by get getting killed by
the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden. But then
the Utah Jazz came to town beat them by forty slumpbuster,
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and last night they went to dominating Demontes and.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
His threes a heavy volume once again.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Cottley knocks it away from Sabonis on the move, a
stop it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Pot free, got it in a fowl. It was four
point opportunity for that man. Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, and went for and went for like twenty five
and thirty minutes last night and he hit five threes.
And it was this third game back from that swoon
over his hammy. A Steifel Tower had a double. He
also had five blocks last night. So the hal went
to Howling and has won two in a row. They're
at Utah this evening on a back to back, and
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then they chill until Sacramento with a Domontes domination. Part
two takes place Friday night here at Target Center, and
I think they host Denver the day after that. Get
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Speaker 1 (23:36):
Reaction to the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Try at a two pointer yesterday has some fascinating, has
some fascination and fascinating to the chat at least to
me that then talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Around the corner.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Segment three, maybe segment two. Thank you very much for
listening to the fan when you do. Thank you timber
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Speaker 1 (24:32):
Before the snap, full start by the center. It's a
five yard penalty. It's third down, first and ten straight.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
I'm behind McCarthy, co C. J. Hammond in front of
Aaron Jones.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Fal start by the offense, number seventy five, five yard penalty, second.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Down, twenty seven thirteen ravens.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's number six. You've got to be kidding me with
this fall star offense.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Number seventy five. It's a five yard penalty.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
It shut down Dustin Jefferson slot left, TJ. Howkinson inside
slot left.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This is our seventh fall start in one game, fall start.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Offense number seventy five and one five yard penalty.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's their death, all right. So down twenty seven to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Late, the Minnesota Vikings opted to try for two and
make it a six point game with three twenty three
to go.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Some fought the move was dumb.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Most have a little to say about it because it
for sure can be argued it was the right thing
to do. Get the two, make it a six point game,
get a stop, go win the game. In fact, that's
exactly how I think I heard Matt Producer lay it
out hosting Vikings fan line yesterday when talking out both
sides of the equation. Get the two, make it a
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six point game, get a stop, go win the game.
It's the aggressive, cold blooded, take what we want when
we wanted approach. But is it right and just to
be aggressive and cold blooded when it's the first touchdown
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you've scored in three and a half quarters and the
quarterback was five of twelveth throwing in the fourth up
to the two point try. I think that's a very
fair question because the age old adage in football especially
but in a lot of sports is you play to
win at home and you played a tie on the road. Now,
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I mean that's as antiquated as you know. It's it
take three points when you're a home team, and that's
like the starting point for where point spreads begin and
stuff like that. It has an antiquated side to it,
but there also is a cliche factor to it with
approach out on your side, weather conditions, and in certain places,
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stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You played a win at home, you played a tie
on the road.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So with the two point try yesterday, while calling the game,
didn't really think it out because they're down eight, and
like I just said and fan line shared yesterday, get
the two, make it a six point game, get a stop,
go win the game. Aggressive, cold blooded, damn it. We're
going to take what we want when we want it,
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and there's nothing you can do about it. Problem is,
they did a lot about it for three and a
half quarters.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So from a.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Talkback standpoint, if anybody really wants to talk this out.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Is is it right and just?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And is it the right approach to be aggressive end
or cold blooded when that's the first touchdown you've scored
in three and a half quarters and the quarterback was
having his problems with accuracy and cadence and all starts
and all that. If you argue McCary arthy wasn't consistent
or in control at that point and had some Josh
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Freeman to his accuracy. So take the extra point and
just make it a seven point game. Yeah, I'm not
going to push back. I like Baltimore's offense a lot.
Lamar is so much better than the guy we saw
out there in twenty twenty one. Yet they didn't find
a touchdown until the third quarter and after the Miles
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Price l so game flow, quarterback flow, just the whole
flow found a touchdown to Jailen Naylor and now you're
down eight. So the mantra I believe of this head
coach and this staff is going to be we are
going to play to win the game. We are at home,
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We're going to get the two. We're going to make
it a six point game, We're going to get a stop.
We're going to go win this game. We're going to
go to five and four. I just wonder if really
that in is yesterday's individual circumstance, given it's the first
touchdown you scored in three and a half quarters and
the quarterback was five of twelfth rowing in the fourth. Yeah,
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if the two point trive was the right idea, I mean,
it's twenty twenty five, so therefore, no matter which side
you're on, it requires banging a fist down on for
Micah and making the people on the other side of
the conversation feel dumb. Quite honestly, I could go either
way on this thing, because I don't mind the aggressive approach,
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and this team has been good at two point conversions
the last three and a half years. They don't do
it often, but when they do, it's pretty good. But
was it the right time yesterday? So I can hear
all about that talkback machine if you're interested. Thirteen penalties, yeah,
minus three in the take give fans leaving early all
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negative butt, which of course means and just think about this,
if everything we just shared, thirteen penalties minus three and
the take give fans leaving early, that of course means
they're going to win on Sunday. Slow the Bears stand
undfeed in the division, and the kid quarterback will manage
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the game wonderfully, win, lose, win, lose bad good, bad good, win,
lose win, lose bad, good, bad good. I mean that's
just like after the after the Chargers game. I mean,
ninety four percent of the football loving world gave the
Minnesota Vikings minimal if no chance at the Motor City
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Davy because of what everybody just saw. Likewise, for yesterday
there it wasn't La Chargers bad, but thirteen penalties, eight
fall starts and the minus three and.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The take give. Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Will leave a mental mark, so to speak. So a
lot of people will be down on them into the
Bears game. And if it's if it's the way the
inconsistency of the twenty twenty five Minnesota Viking season has
gone to this point, of course they win Sunday. I'm
hoping Bernard's shoulder is okay. Kevin O'Connell is a press
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conference later today, maybe an update on that. Plus Jonathan
Grenard joins the Power Trip each and every Tuesday morning
in the eight o'clock hour. That's one of my favorite
segments on KFA, and during the course of the week,
look forward to that, hoping that shoulders. Okay, we need
to start grabbing some interceptions and four and six heading
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to Lambeau then the Cappuccino capital.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
That ain't what the doctor ordered.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Because to who much is given, much is expected, and
the fixing of problems and the challenges associated with raising
a kid quarterback, well that's all part of the to
who much is We haven't much as expected, so we'll
see what happens Sunday at noon.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Hey, guys, plenty of things to criticize on nine and
he did not obviously play a great game, but he
didn't get a lot of help, and there was some
real embarrassing moments from other veterans. But I think what's
important to keep in mind is JJ maintained his composure,
He hustled his butt off until the last play of
the game, and most importantly, there was no semblance of
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finger pointing, and he put the loss on his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's mark. I'm a really good leader, so let's stick
with him. And I agree with every facet of that talk.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Back in JJ McCarthy's post came press conference yesterday, yours
truly was in attendance, and I was curious to see
what the young man's demeanor was going to be like,
his level of sadness, his level of contrition, and his
level of reality when it comes to He's not the
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first bally Hood highly drafted quarterback through four starts to
struggles like this. We chronicled some of the moments in
the first segment of nine to Noon today. He indeed
handled things with a plumb and we'll just leave it
at that and see what happens against beloved Bjay's defense.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
Hey, Paul and Nordo just got a question regarding the
last few weeks in the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell's play
calling choices. Why does he abandon the run so quickly?
I mean over forty pass attempts and we were averaging
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I think it was definitely over five yards per Carrie.
I don't know how much longer this team can be
successful and keep.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Abandoning the run. Nordo, you want to handle that one well.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I just when we look at JJ's ups and downs,
I think, as you noted, whether it's the first four
starts of other players or just raising a kid on
the fly, not a mandate, but the predictive bet of
a team going to the playoffs and winning a game.
We heard kind of the terminology from from a Dan
Orlovski a few weeks ago when he was talking about
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kind of the disappointing aspects of this team, and he
noted that, you know, kind of the idea that this
was a quarterback independent roster, So some of the things
that go into that relates to complimentary football. So defensively,
this is a team that was tied to top the
NFL in takeaways last year, and I think the team
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ended the year like plus eleven plus twelve in the
take gift, and you can actually kind of, to be
honest with you, and this one at four and five
is trending that way. When you see the team winning
thirteen and fourteen games two of the first three years,
you're seeing a team on the good side of the
take gift twenty twenty three and right now twenty five
bad side of the take gift.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The vikings are thirty three and five when Kevin O'Connell
wins or pushes the take give, and I would imagine
as not just with KO, but maybe just about every
other coach in the history of the game. When you're
on the wrong side of that, your record is probably
the inverse part of it.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
To that end, the running game is part of the
complementary nature of this football team, and so was Is
it ever going to be fifty to fifty in totality?
Absolutely not, we get that, but the balance part of
it and such a significant focus. You know, we can
go back in time and I'm not going to do it.
It would take forever, but we can find all the
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segments that we talked about from the spring, through free agency,
post draft, throughout the summer that a really important aspect
once JJ McCarthy takes the field is the exciting tandem,
the efficiency potentially the explosion involved, but certainly the productivity
of not just an upgraded offense of line interior, but
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the combination of Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones and what
that meant to the development of JJ for a team
that was built to be competitive and contend right now,
one aspect of that was going to be good run game,
help protect the kid as we raise him on the fly,
and you just you do see it consistently in games,
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specifically yesterday, we're starting out first first downs with eleven
yard twelve yard runs like it was fantastic at times.
I think the team ran it seven times and this
is just a I think it was five scrambles for McCarthy,
thirteen carries combined for the Backs. As important as it
was in that win, by the way, before he got hurt,
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the platform that JJ could work from when you got
all that explosion, the catch and run and all those
things that Aaron Jones was doing. That first third down conversion,
the catch that was labeled to run, et cetera. How
important that was to the game. You saw moments with
Jones yesterday, including opening you get the five yard score,
beautiful excellent fishing in the red zone, boom one for one,
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Vikings take the lead, dig it and then he does
DEVI eight away And I'm not going to go through
the game log of yesterday play by play. I actually
I'm not offended. We talked about it last night. I'm
fan line the third and one and he throws it
deep justin Jefferson falls. It's an interception. I mean, take
that shot. You get one on one with the superstar.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
And then he mentioned in the press conference as well,
Kevin O'Connell I was going to go for it on
fourth down regardless of the results. So he kind of
explains that was two down territory for the team. That's
the mindset. We're right at midfield, sad circumstance with the
kid falling down on the back end of it. I do,
I do want to see this team with a better
commitment to the run. I am not an offensive play
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calling genius. So in terms of specific points, the flow,
the feel of the game, we had him on the
ground yesterday. We had him on the ground yesterday if
we want him to compl mentary aspect of it is
that either instead of punting or scoring in two minutes,
you keep that team on that offense on the field
for six seven minutes in a scoring drive, and you
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keep the defense not having to deal with Lamar and
Dereck Henry off the field for six and seven minutes.
So it's never going to be fifty to fifty. But
I think yesterday was a great opportunity to show the
true nature of balance where kids make mistakes, but you
were super productive nearly six yards of carry for the
most part from your backs. You had an opportunity to
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keep the pressure off the kid a little bit and
move the chains on the ground and I was disappointed.
I just think, you know, as we raise the kid
game by game, there will be certain circumstances. Forty two
attempts for the kid in his fourth game is not
a winning formula. I just don't see that as a
winning formula, neither for the kid nor the offense in general.
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So yes, running the ball, I think is part of
the complementary nature of this team, the roster, the predictive
bet that we are not seeing maybe to the level
that we should be.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
There's a reason I deferred the question.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And as part of everything that we just heard through
nine games, it is fair to note the best of
the two running backs did not play in five and
a half of them. So how much does that change
during the course of that month and change? Yeah, well,
of course it changes.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
On the offensive line combinations we've talked about too.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah right, I mean, those are the details.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
The over archer is a three and a half year
take that many have had regarding the head coach, the
twenty twenty four Coach of the years approach to run
and pass. The reason I deferred is I can't answer
the question. I'm just going to be straight with I
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have no idea because I don't know what to look for,
how to look for it. I can count at boxes
with the best of them. I can, you know, as
an outsider, I can look at game flow, I can
look at series after series. I can watch all all
twenty two anybody ever wants me to watch. And I
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can't explain why coach or coach is do certain things
at certain times that fly in the face of what
people think they should do.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
But that's not just here.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
For instance, if you, if you, if you do some
deep diving into the Miami upset of the Buffalo Bills,
well you're gonna you're you're gonna read reaction from a
lot of Bills fans complaining they don't pass enough. And
then you're going to read Sean McDermott, their coach, throwing
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his hands in the air, palms to the sky, basically
being like, we need to pass better, we need to
pass more. Out don't know what's happening right now, but
we're here to fix it. So it's something. It's something
everywhere in the same fishbowl, but under different rocks, and
it all involves media slash fan opinions about how they
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believe things should go.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
And that's great.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
That's fantastic because guess what if they didn't have an opinion,
then nobody would come to the games, nobody would care,
nobody would listen, nobody would watch.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
They care.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
These opinions are born of caring. But I deferred because
I've thought it out. I've looked at a lot of stuff.
I've chatted with people behind the scenes a little bit.
I can't explain it. I don't know what goes into
setting up plays, running plays that you potentially may be
setting something up for later. There's just so much, there's
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so much layering to it. Yeah, that okay, third and
one when they threw and Nordo said, the coach said, well,
you know we were going to run on fourth down
or we were going to go for it and for
it and didn't get the opportunity. All right, Well, I mean,
what did Baltimore do around the line of scrimmage? I mean,
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how many were there nine players around there? And was
the average weight of those players two hundred and eighty
seven and a half pounds? And are you going to
run wide away from Kyle Hamilton and or Malachi Starks,
who may or may not have been on the edge,
or are you going to take on John Jenkins and
Travis Jones, and it combined six hundred and seventy five
and a half pounds of beef right up the middle.
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Yeah sure great? Or don't Yeah, sure great. That's that's
That's why to who much is given, much is expected.
They're compensated to do that job and make those decisions,
and make those decisions in real time, and make those
decisions without the ability to look back and second guests.
What they do is they look back and not second guess,
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but correct if they feel mistakes were made.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So that's why I deferred. I can't. I can't answer
the question. I just don't know what to say.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, and I'm not a coach and I've never designed
an offensive game plan. But again, I think at a
base level, my head is absolutely right along with any
listener or anybody that's questioning, hey, why didn't we run here?
I don't have an answer as to why in particular situations.
I truly believe at a base level, we cannot see
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forty two attempts thirty five attempts. We can't see that
from the kid, QB. And go down the road that
you were talking about where we can raise the QB.
We have a talented roster, the dogs, save for the
new center, are healthy, and we can compete and still
contend for a playoff spot. Totally with you, But the
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complimentary aspect, when you take that away in terms of
the run game, I think you're going to have problems
in a big way.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
And agree and so yeah, I agree, But but my
point would be, and why I defer things like that
is I just want to know where it stops, like what,
why are why are certain players being targeted X amount
of times when others are wide open?
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Why?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay, so so now the next It just it can
never stop if you just keep going down that road.
Why was so and so in the game when he's
in the game defensively and they run for six seven
a carry, But when he's out of the game they
run for three to four. But he's in the game
and they just ran for nine. Does that mean somebody
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needs to be fired? No, that means a correction needs
to take place. So it's just it's just that that
I it's it's it's like that two point try thing.
It's like I agree philosophically with some things, but I
want to hear the context laid out for to get
me over the hump. I like how you put it.
We got a pause, we got burst it around the corner.
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I like how you put it a little bit earlier.
And if if you take the totality from play one
twenty twenty two to final play right now twenty twenty five, well,
there's an organic feel that you can get without analyzing
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minutia of who's hurt, how many offensive line combinations? Is
CJ blocking as the quarterback executing play action? What are
the safety's doing right before the snap? Was it a
six man box and it ended up being a nine
man box? All of that, it's you can look at
the total. Like the first year O'Connell was the head coach,
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they threw sixty percent of the sixty one percent of
the time.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
The offense was the bomb. The offense was the absolute bomb.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, Dalvin Cook went for well over one thousand scrimmage yards.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Well, I mean, yeah, he was six running NFL with
twelve and change on the ground alone.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, he's running and catching yep, but percentage wise it
may not have been enough for some people. He was
the home run hitter, so I mean, okay, why and
then the next season, all right, well not running enough?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Cool? You should run more.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
You got Dobs and you got Jaron Hall and the
quarterback and run And there's just so much to it
that that's why I you know, I'm sorry to heap
that on you. It's when the talkback came in. I
thought a lot about it. I can't answer the question.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, and I just remember in twenty twenty two it's
there was there's you you mentioned, like, for instance, in
yesterday's game, why certain people were being targeted. Why weren't
there were open guys that were missed there there's the
other side of this too, By the way, the coach
when he schemed some of these plays, the guys are open.
When the kid QB was try when he was sailing
balls yesterday, he had one to Jade Jefferson on the
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boundary that was almost identical to that out route far
hash boundary throw that he aced at Ford Field and
complete and he just completely ruined it. Yes, made a
mess of it. And I don't know yesterday exactly so,
but I think it all. No, No, I'm sorry, I
do understand it, and.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
So do you.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Because it's not the first it's not the first time
it's happened to a quarterback in his first four starts. True, yes,
now that may be the example here Lamar kept dropping it.
There were a couple where just he like dropped the
ball and hit his knee and bumble lost. Fran Tarkentin
is Hall of Fame or one touchdown, six picks his
first four games. I don't know what happened there. Maybe
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was sailing them over Bobby Richards, but anyway.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
But I just think so in a vacuum, each of
those games will have those moments, the inconsistencies of it.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Why did this happen?
Speaker 3 (47:26):
There is a trend over the course of Kevin O'Connell's
tenure in terms of percentage of running the ball certain
spots specifically maybe some third and shorts. We can dig
into those numbers, but that's exhausting. Just in the end,
I think to protect the kid and to continue to
raise on the fly with the competitive nature that you're
talking about, I know, Jame, I think there has to
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be you know, whatever that commitment looks like, it sounds
weird as an outsider saying it. There has to be
some some push to make sure that everything's right with three,
three and two seven in the backfield. Let's keep those
cats involved.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
And a term nine to noon created years ago plays
into this too. Competitive arrogance are our head coach is
competitively arrogant And that is not a negative term. That
means that the arrogance part of it is my stuff
is proving out to be better than your stuff. I
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will get them open and they will hit them well
when they don't hit them. And you know, that's why
the two point try terrorism, that's why you know when
you and I were texting during fanline yesterday, it's I'm like,
what's with all this two point try stuff? I mean,
in eight goes to a six, So you get the two,
you stop them, you go win the game, right, Well,
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that's the competitively arrogant. That is the competitively proven way
to handle a game at home when you're when you're
four and four trying to go to five and four,
or is it when you haven't scored a touchdown in
three and a half quarters and quarterbacks five of twelve
in that quarter and was was tooth and nail on
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fourth down to just get the next touchdown.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe you know feel that moment, Maybe it's maybe it's
a different decision.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
In that spot.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, so that's why, like I can hear, I can
hear either side of it. And same thing with that
talkback is the running plays are good. So yes, okay,
if they do it more and it works, great, But
it also can't be disputed that if you watch back
things that took place yesterday, whether it's TV copy replays
or all twenty two, they were wide open all over
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the field.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
They were open all over the field.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Kid missed them and or didn't see them and held
it a long time because new quarterbacks hold the ball
a long time and they're indecisive.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
And he's not the first to be that, and he
won't be the last. We'll be right, Ba
Well, I guess I good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I guess it only hurts when you laugh, It only
hurts when you cry. It only that good work with
that montage Nordo by the master mixer of the Monday
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm disappointed. I could only fit. I could only fit
I think five or six fall starts in there. I
left audio on the table. Yeah, so it wasn't perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
If you were you were in, if you were in
your producing bag with that Diana Ross and the Supremes,
Stop stop, just stop.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Stop in the name of love. Just stop.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Already first home team since two thousand and nine to
have at least eight fall start in fractions at home.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Stop in the name.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Of love when we lovingly request our favorite football team.
Just with all that and the airmailing of the passes
and immortality stopping for some reason on a pick and
taking the highs up to cloud nine and the lows
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then have us all crashing to the ground and just
splatting with football fandom carnage.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All over the place.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Stop like the lady saying, stop in the name of love.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Welcome to nine to Noon.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
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Paul Allen.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You know, into the season.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know what triggered me to think of this
last night, but into the twenty twenty five Minnesota Vikings
football season, yours truly said, I expect the twenty twenty
five Minnesota Vikings to make the playoffs and win a game.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Remember that, met I do remember that. Yeah, it had
a little mandate would be too strong, but.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I think it was in the spirit of a good team,
quality roster, good coaching. You've been to the playoffs twice,
you're zeroing too, and that's the next wrong on the ladder.
The evolution of it is you're going to go to
the postseason and this time you're actually going to come
out with a w.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There also was a side of to whom much is given,
much as expected. So the context was off fourteen victories
last season and with the veterans brought in and belief
the kid quarterback, and belief in the kid quarterback, it's
time to win a playoff game. Lots of accolades and
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flowers were heading the way of several and to whom
much is given, much is expected. Now there was a qualifier,
it's it's fiqua fairness and qualifying act.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Find this to be fair.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The qualifier was that predictive bet is off if you
have a string of season long, debilitating injuries. Remember that
part the con Yes, I can't remember, all right, So
let's unpack that. Like seventeen different offensive line combos, two quarterbacks,
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no Cashman for a month, Van Ginkel out longer, No
Aaron Jones for a month, Aaron Jones out five of them. Yes,
that's a lot, and was at the time debilitating. Stop,
but they got all.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But they got all of them.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Say center Ryan Kelly back with ten to go and
with three victories, then they professionally beat one of the
game's best with said studs back intact, then yesterday happened.
All right, My expectations have not changed. If most of
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the guys playing now stay healthy the rest of the way. Yeah,
I'm foolhardy as people may think it is. I will
be frustrated and I will be mad if the Minnesota
Vikings do not make the playoffs. Stop, Okay, four and
five make the playoffs. I get a big money roster.
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We know many of them are very, very good, and
to whom much is given, much is expected. Yeah, so
I and I'm saying we expect leadership to figure out
things and win enough to make the playoffs without debilitating injuries.
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The rest of the way and offensive line combinations eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one. That all factors into it, no doubt.
And if debilitating injuries like that linger to like the
sixty seventy seventy five percent part of the season, well
that's a different conversation when it comes to the expectations
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off the metaphorical predictive bet, the symbolic predictive bet, because
the majority of them outside of the former Indianapolis Center, well,
they're all bat and they're all playing, and they played
quite well. When you beat the Motor City Kitties, sweeping
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Chicago and going three and zero in the division, well
that'd be a good start. That'd be a good start
to the old predictive into the season predictive bet comeback trail.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It's kind of a necessary part of the part of
the predictive VAT and I mean we've worked together a
decade plus, man, I mean I make so many predictions.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's like God rest the soul of Jimmy the Greek
Schneider but when it comes to the local team, specifically
this football team, and when yours truly repeatedly gets rather
loud with the one four team. Yep, we saw a
Week eight team, and we saw the playoff game, and
we've seen the bally hooed veterans that have come in,
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and we like, for the most part what we have already. Yeah,
unless there are more than a handful that are like
lost for the year seventy five percent of the season,
I ain't backing off that thing then. I mean to
who much is given, much is expected, and whether it's
the false starts, whether it's myriad details that went into
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what transpired yesterday and or against the LA Chargers, don't
I don't really have any reason to back off that prognostication,
which would lead to either Oh cool, they rattled off
a bunch of games and they got into the postseason,
and that sure would be sweet if they found a
way to win a game. The other side of it is,
you had significant injuries for fewer than half the games
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of the season, and during that time you found a
way to win three. Then you get back the gank.
The gank. The gink is on fire. Cash Money's playing
out of his skin right now and at tall several others.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And what do you do.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You go to the motor City and you make greater
hits than anybody in Motown ever has Here we come
on cloud nine.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You can be who you want to be.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And then the next week it's stop in the name
of love with the eight fall starts and all the
details that led to the lost yesterday. Yeah, to who
much is given, much is expected, and this has to
be fixed because the right players are playing and we
are more Nine to noon is more than welcoming, willing
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and of the acquiescing variety with the patient's plan, with
the second year quarterback, first year playing regular season games,
second year in the NFL. Now we understand that and
we are in it for the patient's game. All the
details off yesterday's loss and opinions formulated off the sixty
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two O'Connell is coached, I mean, like two point tries
and when to run and when not to run. They
at this moment and that could change segment by segment.
At this moment, they just don't really matter that much
to me. Raising a kid quarterback ain't easy, and we're
living those highs and lows with all of them right now,
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win the game had Soldier field with your arm, your legs,
and your will. Then you can't find a touchdown on
the next one and home against Atlanta, then you're gone.
Upon return, you steal one as a fat underdog against
Aiden Hutchinson and Brian Branch and display to the world
the kid quarterback is bursting at the theams with poise
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and confidence. And then in the next one, stop I mean,
in the next one, you're sailing them like a new
age Josh Freeman. I mean, I'm sorry to play the
Josh Freeman card here, but somebody in the second row
caught a pass yesterday. Hev somebody in the second row
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caught a freaking pass yesterday. And I don't mean second
row of the bench. I don't mean second layer of
the end zone. I mean second row of the stadium.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
That was what over Addison's had wasn't And I don't
know the stop of them.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And and and along. We're both parents, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
There.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
There's personal and there's professional.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It can be challenging raising kids, but it also can
be incredibly satisfying and incredibly rewarding. And along the journey
we just have to remember this side of Tom Brady.
The topsy turvy performances by new quarterbacks have been happening forever.
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We don't need face changes. We know that we've watched
a lot of it. We know that elite football minds
listen to nine to noon. Now we're talking about mad
producer and yours truly God's cartoon character. We know that
we are in for the patient's game, but it's required
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to recognize and factually remember stuff like this with new
quarterbacks has been happening forever. I mean, shoot, John Harbaugh
is one of the greatest coaches in the history of
the National Football League. Man He's fifty three and eighteen
against quarterbacks in their first or second years. Year first
or second year Zah. He finished off Caleb earlier this season,
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did the same to our kid yesterday and JJ McCarthy.
Gaining experience and coming to from emotional wins and realizing
bad games won't be the norm. One day matters immensely
more right now than some of the details to games
on which we harp. The details matter, but the overarcher
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is the progress, lack thereof, or ascension of this kid
quarterback and what's transpiring in front of our very audio
ears is not new to the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Consider the context with just a few new England's.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Drake May through his first four last year was sixty
five percent on his completions. Not bad this year with
all that experience emphasis on the word experience, Now he
leads the National Football League close to seventy five percent.
He also had four picks and took ten sacks in
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his first games last year. Why Why Because kid quarterbacks
can be indecisive and hold the ball too long. But
the gifted push through and our guy JJ McCarthy is very,
very gifted and that can't be disputed. Denver's bon Nicks
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is being raised by one of the greatest offensive minds
in the history of the National Football League. His first
four starts, he completed fifty nine percent of his throws
and threw a pick every single game. Now, with experience,
he might help guide a team to a division title.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Shoot.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Matt Producer believed in bon Nick so much into the
season he put Denver in the AFC title game. It
looked fullhardy at the moment it might happen. What about Lamar?
What about Lamar? Two time MVP making his one hundred
start yesterday. His first four starts in twenty eighteen super special.
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He hit on fifty six percent of his throws, kept fumbling,
and had three touchdowns and three picks, and then he
gained experience. Josh Allen, you say, Josh Allen the quarterback,
not the pass rusher. First four starts, completed fifty five
percent of his passes, which is awful, with one touchdown,
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three picks, and sixteen sacks.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Elle.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean, Josh Allen was running into sacks more than
Josh Freeman. So how much better at ages twenty six
to say twenty nine is Josh Allen than in twenty
eighteen when he was twenty two and riding that roller
coaster we all are on right now with our.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Twenty two years year old quarterback.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, JJ McCarthy is the team's a topic and that's
the end of the story. I mean, we have talkbacks
coming up later. We got two point tried terrorism. We
have seven yards per run throwing forty two. I mean
I slash, we hear it, see it.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Read it all. So we know what's out there.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
We know the slings and arrows of the outrageous negatives
that will be firing our way and It's not that
we disagree with everything, we just don't want the main
thing to be forgotten. JJ McCarthy is this team's a
topic to who much is given, much is expected, and
that's the end of the story. I mean, Shoe, who's
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the greatest quarterback in the history of the Minnesota Vikings.
I mean frand the Man on the fan, brandom man
on the fans, Sir Francis Tarkenton for Super Bowls, he
hosted Saturday Night Live multiple times. He was in the
Monday Night Football Booth h F. In Tarkenton's first four starts, Well,
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you sure look the part of a future hof, didn't he,
you know, completing fifty percent of his passes with one
touchdown and six interceptions. Nineteen sixty one, Twitter would have
labeled fram the Man on the Fan as a bummer
and far out man and all show no go and
would claim he's boguarding the football. I always love that
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one talkback start around nine forty five. Talkbacks around nine
forty five. There's a lot talkbacks. Yeah, free iHeart audio
app thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean, you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's it's a habit state and a habit audience and
the talkback machine was exploding during the Vikings fan line yesterday,
and we fully expected to explode during nine to noon today.
Of those talkbacks started nine forty five. The weekend rap.
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Speaker 1 (16:51):
Another Titan's mike in motion.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Here's the snap of a Playpake Willams rolling to his left,
running now fifteen to ten five hold zird tiptoz in
clutch down in the blue pain. Caleb Williams seventeen yards
took care of business himself. He has had himself quite
the day running all over in between away from packing up,
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moving left, moving right, and finally getting into the ends
over the touchdown head a Bears lead twenty three.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Twenty Didn't hear the vox Jeff Joni X say that
much during Caleb Williams first four starts, did you? Bucks
ex spearience box experience, challenging professionally raising these kids.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I would imagine Caleb won the game.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
He and beloved Bjay embraced after the game winner like
they've been waiting for this moment all of their lives.
Caleb is hot and the Baby Bears have won two
in a row in dramatic fashion. And I'm sure Wobble
is going to be high on his Hallas Hall horse
Friday at the Lakeville Feast.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Holy oh great, Oh wait that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
He's out of town, so he's going to be in
studio Wednesday, three two. I'm sure Wobble is going to
be high on his Hallis Hall horse Wednesday in the
six five to one carpets plus studios. But the Friday
Football Feast is at Buffalo Wild Wings Lakeville this week.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
See all there. The Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The Motor City Kitties still have not lost two consecutive
regular season games in more than two years.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Detroit three every sign every twenty eight to five, cut
down Detroit Lions for forty four yards, Sir, sirve together
with days and the Lions have opened up that lead.
It is now forty one to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Nordo, Yes, sir, I heard you laugh during the highlight.
Is that because it only hurts when we laugh? I
always love gract what. I don't know what these Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Maybe we pissed them off, yes, sir, maybe the Vikings
pissed them off.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, Campbell took over the play calling duties.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know I read that this morning only cow Goff
three twenty and three, Gibbs one forty two and two
on the ground, Jamison six and one nineteen six for
one nineteen and one Jamison Williams six one nineteen and one. Hey,
you know what, at least the Commander's got control of
Sam Laporta. I always love that one who failed to score.
(19:28):
So the Minnesota Vikings next took the Bears, uh then
off the Lambeau and after that they get this guy.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Opening drive by the Seahawks playfake and Donald's gonna roll
left pastime, gonna let it fly. Got a man deep,
reaching a touchdown, say Hawks, and guess who Jackson fifth
and Chicka with the touchdown reception tightly covered but dlopping
that baby in the buckets.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Sam Donald from forty three.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Out balk fixed up Sam the man who used to
be on the fan through twelve passes all game, twelve passes,
and Seattle ran up forty four points and crushed the cards.
We got two defensive touchdowns from DeMarcus Lawrence Carol king,
(20:21):
I feel the earth move under my feet. I mean
the twelves must have been shaken with DeMarcus Lawrence rambling
up and down that field. They also got a rushing
touchdown from somebody named Olani. Olani and Darnold through twelve passes.
Strange game, strange game.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
This is gonna be another Kamani Vidal situation. We got
to go to a little deep dive in on Olani.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh geez, I don't know about that. We got time.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
This is aggressive, all right. The Minnesota Wild I can't
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All right, Minnesota Wild got the money last night. Sound
a little like.
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Empty Nutco caprice.
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Just see on the Neil.
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Lean what forty nine point three seconds ago capriz OFVN
Boldy get on the score sheet last night.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Boldi gets the game winner in period number two Calgary
in town. Jasper Wallstett gets the first home shutout of
his lifetime, and the Minnesota Wild hook the They've gotten
hot all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
They beat the Islanders on a back to back.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I thought they played quite well, specifically offensively against the
speedy Carolina Hurricanes, despite losing four to three, So that
frown has been turned upside down. And now they've won
two consecutive. They get the ratty Sharks tomorrow night. And
that's part of an elongated home stand that has some
cool teams here this weekend. A sky you Mom, Minnesota Wild,
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sky you mom uh, the Minnesota Timberwolves. Basically within the
last week it went like this. Chris Finch turned fifty
six years of age on Thursday. On Wednesday, they basically
ruined his fifty six birthday by get getting killed by
the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden. But then
the Utah Jazz came to town beat them by forty slumpbuster,
(22:26):
and last night they went to dominating Demontes and.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
His threes a heavy volume once again.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Cottley knocks it away from Sabonis on the move, a
stop it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Pot free, got it in a fowl. It was four
point opportunity for that man. Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, and went for and went for like twenty five
and thirty minutes last night and he hit five threes.
And it was this third game back from that swoon
over his hammy. A Steifel Tower had a double. He
also had five blocks last night. So the hal went
to Howling and has won two in a row. They're
at Utah this evening on a back to back, and
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then they chill until Sacramento with a Domontes domination. Part
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Speaker 1 (23:36):
Reaction to the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Try at a two pointer yesterday has some fascinating, has
some fascination and fascinating to the chat at least to
me that then talkbacks.
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Around the corner.
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Speaker 1 (24:32):
Before the snap, full start by the center. It's a
five yard penalty. It's third down, first and ten straight.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
I'm behind McCarthy, co C. J. Hammond in front of
Aaron Jones.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Fal start by the offense, number seventy five, five yard penalty, second.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Down, twenty seven thirteen ravens.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's number six. You've got to be kidding me with
this fall star offense.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Number seventy five. It's a five yard penalty.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
It shut down Dustin Jefferson slot left, TJ. Howkinson inside
slot left.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This is our seventh fall start in one game, fall start.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Offense number seventy five and one five yard penalty.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's their death, all right. So down twenty seven to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Late, the Minnesota Vikings opted to try for two and
make it a six point game with three twenty three
to go.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Some fought the move was dumb.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Most have a little to say about it because it
for sure can be argued it was the right thing
to do. Get the two, make it a six point game,
get a stop, go win the game. In fact, that's
exactly how I think I heard Matt Producer lay it
out hosting Vikings fan line yesterday when talking out both
sides of the equation. Get the two, make it a
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six point game, get a stop, go win the game.
It's the aggressive, cold blooded, take what we want when
we wanted approach. But is it right and just to
be aggressive and cold blooded when it's the first touchdown
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you've scored in three and a half quarters and the
quarterback was five of twelveth throwing in the fourth up
to the two point try. I think that's a very
fair question because the age old adage in football especially
but in a lot of sports is you play to
win at home and you played a tie on the road. Now,
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I mean that's as antiquated as you know. It's it
take three points when you're a home team, and that's
like the starting point for where point spreads begin and
stuff like that. It has an antiquated side to it,
but there also is a cliche factor to it with
approach out on your side, weather conditions, and in certain places,
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stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You played a win at home, you played a tie
on the road.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So with the two point try yesterday, while calling the game,
didn't really think it out because they're down eight, and
like I just said and fan line shared yesterday, get
the two, make it a six point game, get a stop,
go win the game. Aggressive, cold blooded, damn it. We're
going to take what we want when we want it,
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and there's nothing you can do about it. Problem is,
they did a lot about it for three and a
half quarters.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So from a.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Talkback standpoint, if anybody really wants to talk this out.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Is is it right and just?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And is it the right approach to be aggressive end
or cold blooded when that's the first touchdown you've scored
in three and a half quarters and the quarterback was
having his problems with accuracy and cadence and all starts
and all that. If you argue McCary arthy wasn't consistent
or in control at that point and had some Josh
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Freeman to his accuracy. So take the extra point and
just make it a seven point game. Yeah, I'm not
going to push back. I like Baltimore's offense a lot.
Lamar is so much better than the guy we saw
out there in twenty twenty one. Yet they didn't find
a touchdown until the third quarter and after the Miles
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Price l so game flow, quarterback flow, just the whole
flow found a touchdown to Jailen Naylor and now you're
down eight. So the mantra I believe of this head
coach and this staff is going to be we are
going to play to win the game. We are at home,
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We're going to get the two. We're going to make
it a six point game, We're going to get a stop.
We're going to go win this game. We're going to
go to five and four. I just wonder if really
that in is yesterday's individual circumstance, given it's the first
touchdown you scored in three and a half quarters and
the quarterback was five of twelfth rowing in the fourth. Yeah,
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if the two point trive was the right idea, I mean,
it's twenty twenty five, so therefore, no matter which side
you're on, it requires banging a fist down on for
Micah and making the people on the other side of
the conversation feel dumb. Quite honestly, I could go either
way on this thing, because I don't mind the aggressive approach,
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and this team has been good at two point conversions
the last three and a half years. They don't do
it often, but when they do, it's pretty good. But
was it the right time yesterday? So I can hear
all about that talkback machine if you're interested. Thirteen penalties, yeah,
minus three in the take give fans leaving early all
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negative butt, which of course means and just think about this,
if everything we just shared, thirteen penalties minus three and
the take give fans leaving early, that of course means
they're going to win on Sunday. Slow the Bears stand
undfeed in the division, and the kid quarterback will manage
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the game wonderfully, win, lose, win, lose bad good, bad good, win,
lose win, lose bad, good, bad good. I mean that's
just like after the after the Chargers game. I mean,
ninety four percent of the football loving world gave the
Minnesota Vikings minimal if no chance at the Motor City
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Davy because of what everybody just saw. Likewise, for yesterday
there it wasn't La Chargers bad, but thirteen penalties, eight
fall starts and the minus three and.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The take give. Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Will leave a mental mark, so to speak. So a
lot of people will be down on them into the
Bears game. And if it's if it's the way the
inconsistency of the twenty twenty five Minnesota Viking season has
gone to this point, of course they win Sunday. I'm
hoping Bernard's shoulder is okay. Kevin O'Connell is a press
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conference later today, maybe an update on that. Plus Jonathan
Grenard joins the Power Trip each and every Tuesday morning
in the eight o'clock hour. That's one of my favorite
segments on KFA, and during the course of the week,
look forward to that, hoping that shoulders. Okay, we need
to start grabbing some interceptions and four and six heading
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to Lambeau then the Cappuccino capital.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
That ain't what the doctor ordered.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Because to who much is given, much is expected, and
the fixing of problems and the challenges associated with raising
a kid quarterback, well that's all part of the to
who much is We haven't much as expected, so we'll
see what happens Sunday at noon.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Hey, guys, plenty of things to criticize on nine and
he did not obviously play a great game, but he
didn't get a lot of help, and there was some
real embarrassing moments from other veterans. But I think what's
important to keep in mind is JJ maintained his composure,
He hustled his butt off until the last play of
the game, and most importantly, there was no semblance of
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finger pointing, and he put the loss on his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's mark. I'm a really good leader, so let's stick
with him. And I agree with every facet of that talk.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Back in JJ McCarthy's post came press conference yesterday, yours
truly was in attendance, and I was curious to see
what the young man's demeanor was going to be like,
his level of sadness, his level of contrition, and his
level of reality when it comes to He's not the
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first bally Hood highly drafted quarterback through four starts to
struggles like this. We chronicled some of the moments in
the first segment of nine to Noon today. He indeed
handled things with a plumb and we'll just leave it
at that and see what happens against beloved Bjay's defense.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
Hey, Paul and Nordo just got a question regarding the
last few weeks in the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell's play
calling choices. Why does he abandon the run so quickly?
I mean over forty pass attempts and we were averaging
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I think it was definitely over five yards per Carrie.
I don't know how much longer this team can be
successful and keep.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Abandoning the run. Nordo, you want to handle that one well.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I just when we look at JJ's ups and downs,
I think, as you noted, whether it's the first four
starts of other players or just raising a kid on
the fly, not a mandate, but the predictive bet of
a team going to the playoffs and winning a game.
We heard kind of the terminology from from a Dan
Orlovski a few weeks ago when he was talking about
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kind of the disappointing aspects of this team, and he
noted that, you know, kind of the idea that this
was a quarterback independent roster, So some of the things
that go into that relates to complimentary football. So defensively,
this is a team that was tied to top the
NFL in takeaways last year, and I think the team
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ended the year like plus eleven plus twelve in the
take gift, and you can actually kind of, to be
honest with you, and this one at four and five
is trending that way. When you see the team winning
thirteen and fourteen games two of the first three years,
you're seeing a team on the good side of the
take gift twenty twenty three and right now twenty five
bad side of the take gift.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The vikings are thirty three and five when Kevin O'Connell
wins or pushes the take give, and I would imagine
as not just with KO, but maybe just about every
other coach in the history of the game. When you're
on the wrong side of that, your record is probably
the inverse part of it.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
To that end, the running game is part of the
complementary nature of this football team, and so was Is
it ever going to be fifty to fifty in totality?
Absolutely not, we get that, but the balance part of
it and such a significant focus. You know, we can
go back in time and I'm not going to do it.
It would take forever, but we can find all the
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segments that we talked about from the spring, through free agency,
post draft, throughout the summer that a really important aspect
once JJ McCarthy takes the field is the exciting tandem,
the efficiency potentially the explosion involved, but certainly the productivity
of not just an upgraded offense of line interior, but
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the combination of Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones and what
that meant to the development of JJ for a team
that was built to be competitive and contend right now,
one aspect of that was going to be good run game,
help protect the kid as we raise him on the fly,
and you just you do see it consistently in games,
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specifically yesterday, we're starting out first first downs with eleven
yard twelve yard runs like it was fantastic at times.
I think the team ran it seven times and this
is just a I think it was five scrambles for McCarthy,
thirteen carries combined for the Backs. As important as it
was in that win, by the way, before he got hurt,
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the platform that JJ could work from when you got
all that explosion, the catch and run and all those
things that Aaron Jones was doing. That first third down conversion,
the catch that was labeled to run, et cetera. How
important that was to the game. You saw moments with
Jones yesterday, including opening you get the five yard score,
beautiful excellent fishing in the red zone, boom one for one,
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Vikings take the lead, dig it and then he does
DEVI eight away And I'm not going to go through
the game log of yesterday play by play. I actually
I'm not offended. We talked about it last night. I'm
fan line the third and one and he throws it
deep justin Jefferson falls. It's an interception. I mean, take
that shot. You get one on one with the superstar.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
And then he mentioned in the press conference as well,
Kevin O'Connell I was going to go for it on
fourth down regardless of the results. So he kind of
explains that was two down territory for the team. That's
the mindset. We're right at midfield, sad circumstance with the
kid falling down on the back end of it. I do,
I do want to see this team with a better
commitment to the run. I am not an offensive play
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calling genius. So in terms of specific points, the flow,
the feel of the game, we had him on the
ground yesterday. We had him on the ground yesterday if
we want him to compl mentary aspect of it is
that either instead of punting or scoring in two minutes,
you keep that team on that offense on the field
for six seven minutes in a scoring drive, and you
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keep the defense not having to deal with Lamar and
Dereck Henry off the field for six and seven minutes.
So it's never going to be fifty to fifty. But
I think yesterday was a great opportunity to show the
true nature of balance where kids make mistakes, but you
were super productive nearly six yards of carry for the
most part from your backs. You had an opportunity to
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keep the pressure off the kid a little bit and
move the chains on the ground and I was disappointed.
I just think, you know, as we raise the kid
game by game, there will be certain circumstances. Forty two
attempts for the kid in his fourth game is not
a winning formula. I just don't see that as a
winning formula, neither for the kid nor the offense in general.
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So yes, running the ball, I think is part of
the complementary nature of this team, the roster, the predictive
bet that we are not seeing maybe to the level
that we should be.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
There's a reason I deferred the question.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And as part of everything that we just heard through
nine games, it is fair to note the best of
the two running backs did not play in five and
a half of them. So how much does that change
during the course of that month and change? Yeah, well,
of course it changes.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
On the offensive line combinations we've talked about too.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah right, I mean, those are the details.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
The over archer is a three and a half year
take that many have had regarding the head coach, the
twenty twenty four Coach of the years approach to run
and pass. The reason I deferred is I can't answer
the question. I'm just going to be straight with I
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have no idea because I don't know what to look for,
how to look for it. I can count at boxes
with the best of them. I can, you know, as
an outsider, I can look at game flow, I can
look at series after series. I can watch all all
twenty two anybody ever wants me to watch. And I
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can't explain why coach or coach is do certain things
at certain times that fly in the face of what
people think they should do.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
But that's not just here.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
For instance, if you, if you, if you do some
deep diving into the Miami upset of the Buffalo Bills,
well you're gonna you're you're gonna read reaction from a
lot of Bills fans complaining they don't pass enough. And
then you're going to read Sean McDermott, their coach, throwing
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his hands in the air, palms to the sky, basically
being like, we need to pass better, we need to
pass more. Out don't know what's happening right now, but
we're here to fix it. So it's something. It's something
everywhere in the same fishbowl, but under different rocks, and
it all involves media slash fan opinions about how they
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believe things should go.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
And that's great.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
That's fantastic because guess what if they didn't have an opinion,
then nobody would come to the games, nobody would care,
nobody would listen, nobody would watch.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
They care.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
These opinions are born of caring. But I deferred because
I've thought it out. I've looked at a lot of stuff.
I've chatted with people behind the scenes a little bit.
I can't explain it. I don't know what goes into
setting up plays, running plays that you potentially may be
setting something up for later. There's just so much, there's
(41:51):
so much layering to it. Yeah, that okay, third and
one when they threw and Nordo said, the coach said, well,
you know we were going to run on fourth down
or we were going to go for it and for
it and didn't get the opportunity. All right, Well, I mean,
what did Baltimore do around the line of scrimmage? I mean,
(42:13):
how many were there nine players around there? And was
the average weight of those players two hundred and eighty
seven and a half pounds? And are you going to
run wide away from Kyle Hamilton and or Malachi Starks,
who may or may not have been on the edge,
or are you going to take on John Jenkins and
Travis Jones, and it combined six hundred and seventy five
and a half pounds of beef right up the middle.
(42:36):
Yeah sure great? Or don't Yeah, sure great. That's that's
That's why to who much is given, much is expected.
They're compensated to do that job and make those decisions,
and make those decisions in real time, and make those
decisions without the ability to look back and second guests.
What they do is they look back and not second guess,
(43:01):
but correct if they feel mistakes were made.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So that's why I deferred. I can't. I can't answer
the question. I just don't know what to say.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, and I'm not a coach and I've never designed
an offensive game plan. But again, I think at a
base level, my head is absolutely right along with any
listener or anybody that's questioning, hey, why didn't we run here?
I don't have an answer as to why in particular situations.
I truly believe at a base level, we cannot see
(43:31):
forty two attempts thirty five attempts. We can't see that
from the kid, QB. And go down the road that
you were talking about where we can raise the QB.
We have a talented roster, the dogs, save for the
new center, are healthy, and we can compete and still
contend for a playoff spot. Totally with you, But the
(43:51):
complimentary aspect, when you take that away in terms of
the run game, I think you're going to have problems
in a big way.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
And agree and so yeah, I agree, But but my
point would be, and why I defer things like that
is I just want to know where it stops, like what,
why are why are certain players being targeted X amount
of times when others are wide open?
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Why?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay, so so now the next It just it can
never stop if you just keep going down that road.
Why was so and so in the game when he's
in the game defensively and they run for six seven
a carry, But when he's out of the game they
run for three to four. But he's in the game
and they just ran for nine. Does that mean somebody
(44:34):
needs to be fired? No, that means a correction needs
to take place. So it's just it's just that that
I it's it's it's like that two point try thing.
It's like I agree philosophically with some things, but I
want to hear the context laid out for to get
me over the hump. I like how you put it.
We got a pause, we got burst it around the corner.
(44:55):
I like how you put it a little bit earlier.
And if if you take the totality from play one
twenty twenty two to final play right now twenty twenty five, well,
there's an organic feel that you can get without analyzing
(45:16):
minutia of who's hurt, how many offensive line combinations? Is
CJ blocking as the quarterback executing play action? What are
the safety's doing right before the snap? Was it a
six man box and it ended up being a nine
man box? All of that, it's you can look at
the total. Like the first year O'Connell was the head coach,
(45:36):
they threw sixty percent of the sixty one percent of
the time.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
The offense was the bomb. The offense was the absolute bomb.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, Dalvin Cook went for well over one thousand scrimmage yards.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Well, I mean, yeah, he was six running NFL with
twelve and change on the ground alone.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, he's running and catching yep, but percentage wise it
may not have been enough for some people. He was
the home run hitter, so I mean, okay, why and
then the next season, all right, well not running enough?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Cool? You should run more.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
You got Dobs and you got Jaron Hall and the
quarterback and run And there's just so much to it
that that's why I you know, I'm sorry to heap
that on you. It's when the talkback came in. I
thought a lot about it. I can't answer the question.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, and I just remember in twenty twenty two it's
there was there's you you mentioned, like, for instance, in
yesterday's game, why certain people were being targeted. Why weren't
there were open guys that were missed there there's the
other side of this too, By the way, the coach
when he schemed some of these plays, the guys are open.
When the kid QB was try when he was sailing
balls yesterday, he had one to Jade Jefferson on the
(46:39):
boundary that was almost identical to that out route far
hash boundary throw that he aced at Ford Field and
complete and he just completely ruined it. Yes, made a
mess of it. And I don't know yesterday exactly so,
but I think it all. No, No, I'm sorry, I
do understand it, and.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
So do you.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Because it's not the first it's not the first time
it's happened to a quarterback in his first four starts. True, yes,
now that may be the example here Lamar kept dropping it.
There were a couple where just he like dropped the
ball and hit his knee and bumble lost. Fran Tarkentin
is Hall of Fame or one touchdown, six picks his
first four games. I don't know what happened there. Maybe
(47:17):
was sailing them over Bobby Richards, but anyway.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
But I just think so in a vacuum, each of
those games will have those moments, the inconsistencies of it.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Why did this happen?
Speaker 3 (47:26):
There is a trend over the course of Kevin O'Connell's
tenure in terms of percentage of running the ball certain
spots specifically maybe some third and shorts. We can dig
into those numbers, but that's exhausting. Just in the end,
I think to protect the kid and to continue to
raise on the fly with the competitive nature that you're
talking about, I know, Jame, I think there has to
(47:46):
be you know, whatever that commitment looks like, it sounds
weird as an outsider saying it. There has to be
some some push to make sure that everything's right with three,
three and two seven in the backfield. Let's keep those
cats involved.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
And a term nine to noon created years ago plays
into this too. Competitive arrogance are our head coach is
competitively arrogant And that is not a negative term. That
means that the arrogance part of it is my stuff
is proving out to be better than your stuff. I
(48:23):
will get them open and they will hit them well
when they don't hit them. And you know, that's why
the two point try terrorism, that's why you know when
you and I were texting during fanline yesterday, it's I'm like,
what's with all this two point try stuff? I mean,
in eight goes to a six, So you get the two,
you stop them, you go win the game, right, Well,
(48:44):
that's the competitively arrogant. That is the competitively proven way
to handle a game at home when you're when you're
four and four trying to go to five and four,
or is it when you haven't scored a touchdown in
three and a half quarters and quarterbacks five of twelve
in that quarter and was was tooth and nail on
(49:05):
fourth down to just get the next touchdown.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe you know feel that moment, Maybe it's maybe it's
a different decision.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
In that spot.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, so that's why, like I can hear, I can
hear either side of it. And same thing with that
talkback is the running plays are good. So yes, okay,
if they do it more and it works, great, But
it also can't be disputed that if you watch back
things that took place yesterday, whether it's TV copy replays
or all twenty two, they were wide open all over
(49:34):
the field.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
They were open all over the field.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Kid missed them and or didn't see them and held
it a long time because new quarterbacks hold the ball
a long time and they're indecisive.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
And he's not the first to be that, and he
won't be the last. We'll be right, Ba
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