Ben Leber/Kyle Potter - Bumper to Bumper 11/10/25 Hour Three

Ben Leber makes his weekly appearance with his thoughts on the Vikings loss before our friend Kyle Potter from Thrifty Traveler joins to give us what we need to know about the chaos in air travel right now.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Sierra Nevada Ruined Company brings our nest next guest

(00:24):
to the phone, Nacho Liber, Ben Leber. If you have
questions for him, the usual place to find him as
available the Bradshawn Bryant Cafe and text line at six
four six eighty six. I guess you could tweet directly
at him, Nacho Liber as well. Whatever works for you, Ben.
Why did we lose to the Baltimore Ravens twenty seven

(00:47):
to nineteen yesterday afternoon?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh boy? I mean, if you want to really want
to simplify it, they had thirteen points off of our
three gibs and we had zero points off of our
zero take. So I would say, right there, that's the game.
And I'm not saying that you can't go into every
game and expect not to turn the ball oger at

(01:11):
least once, especially playing a pretty you know, at least
recently a better playing defense. But yeah, I mean, that's
kind of what it boils down to you. And then
then obviously there's this stuff with the false starts and
all the other things, but that was all like in
an effort to try to claw our way back into
the game. But yeah, it was kind of The turnovers.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Certainly didn't help, that's for sure. I felt like early
Baltimore seems sluggish. I thought our defense was playing well.
Obviously we had the first good offensive, good scoring drive
that you know, we didn't sustain that. But when I
looked up at the scoreboard, the old cliche and you

(01:51):
see it's you're winning, but it's ten to nine, that
to me is largely where I felt like the game
might have been lost, because I felt, on the basis
of the body of work in the field, that the
Vikings should have been further ahead at the half when
they were, because I didn't think Jackson looked particularly dynamic,
you know, certainly as dynamic as he can look running
and throwing the ball. But I felt it shouldn't be ten.

(02:13):
If it's ten to nine, that's got to be a
little bit scary.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I was actually surprised by the ten to nine because
I went into the game I had convinced myself that
it was going to be a higher spelling game and
much higher scolling game, you know, based off of the
momentum that we had from Detroit, based on what I
know thought I knew about Baltimore, and like, look, I
want to give our defense a lot of credit because
they played well enough to win. But I think going
into the game it was more of like, man, you know,
they got this two headed monster thing. They got some

(02:39):
pretty good receivers. Like, you know, I was thinking this
is going to be a twenty eight, twenty four type
of victory for us, and it was kind of a
slug fest, you know, in that first half. And I
look back on it now though, and you know, I
think that Todd Monkin, the offensive coordinator for the Ravens,
kind of took the very intentional approach of like, we
don't have to be explosive. We let's just take care

(03:02):
of the football, let's move the chains. Of course they
want some of those runs to hit a little bit more,
but we did a great job kind of kind of
bottling everything up, aside from a couple of big plays.
But I don't think that they tried to stretch the field. Now.
I don't think they wanted to take any shots. I
don't think they want to put Lamar in a five
or seven step drop. I think it was very intentional
about the methodical nature of their game plan and ended

(03:24):
up working out.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Why weren't we more methodical with the running game.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, I think, you know, I think a lot has
to do with just the game. The game sequence gets
gets away from us a little bit with all the
false starts. You know now, now four of those false
starts took place in the fourth quarter, and I'm not
sure that we're much of a running team so much
in the fourth quarter when we don't when we don't
have a lead. But you know, I think it did.

(03:49):
It did throw us off, you know, play calling wise,
and so many of them happened on first down, and
it's like, well, you know, if we want to get
the second manageable, I don't know if we need to
run the football here again. Although insight, you know, we
finished the game. I think between both of our backs,
you take away McCarthy's scrambling, you know, we're running for
what five.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Run?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
That's right, you know, that's pretty darn good.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
It's very good.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Actually, I agree on the false starts again, different reasons.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
I would.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
The company line is everybody needs to you know, look internally,
and everybody contributed to it. But you're not going to
tell me, or maybe you will that the number one
reason is not that the way the quarterback handled the cadence.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
It.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
To me, it's too much of a coincidence to think
that suddenly got a bunch of people, including a right
tackle or not exactly known for that kind of thing.
That we're getting confused whether it was they thought the
play was being the ball was being snapped at one
of at one of those huts, or that they didn't
know that that you know, JJ was going to try
to change the play again, it's got to be that's

(04:57):
got to be a big piece of this, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
It feels like that. And you know the thing is, though,
you know, I heard Kos's presser today and you know,
he's like, look it, this wasn't one. There wasn't a
smoking gun, you know, and it wasn't just about the
one thing. It's it's mystifying for sure when you have
veteran guys doing it, especially O'Neill who did it twice.

(05:22):
And and the one that's the one that I can't
figure out is how often do you see the quarterback
fall starting? Yeah, you know, when the quarterback gets called
for a false start, it's like, okay, what where's the
disconnect with what he's calling in the huddle, what he
thinks when he thinks the ball is going to come
out on whatever caller cadence, and then all other ten

(05:44):
guys don't move. It's like, Okay, something's really off, you know,
in the in the huddle, in the design of the
play calls or something for this particular game. Maybe they
had certain checks, Maybe they changed up the code word
that they they wanted to use for this particular game.
Maybe they had some inside on the Ravens kind of
knew something about their cadence or whatever. They're going to

(06:06):
try to get off on the ball a little quicker,
So maybe they change up stuff stuff that they hadn't
done the past. So I don't know what it is.
I'm confident that they're going to get it figured out
by the Chicago game because it has to.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
We can't.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We can't play that sloppy before the balls even start.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Does Jefferson have to make that catch on what I
thought was one of McCarthy's better throws over the middle
on near the end near the goal line.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, I think so. I mean, it was a dart,
came with some some hot sauce on it. But if
you want to be the best in the in the world,
and I think he is you got to make that catch.
It's a tough catch, don't get me wrong. I mean
you got on your back yep, and you see the receiver,
you see you see the safety. There's some color there
that that possibly could blow you up, you know, but

(06:53):
you know you've got to focus in on that ball
coming in pretty hot and make that catch. So yeah,
I think he's got to make that grab.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Does Some of the jackals, including our four four o'clock
guess Johnny Athletic, very unsettled by what they thought was
some not great body language from Jefferson after the I
in t's in terms of effort. Now, one of those
I think he knew was down by contact, which I
think Johnny acknowledged and others have as well.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I have a hard time getting two worked up on that.
I if I'm bothered by anything. But JJ I thought
it was more he was in the one of those
modes yesterday where he was he was he was looking
for PI calls almost every time he went out in
a pattern. But as a as a former player, would
you be bugged if you sensed that a teammate on

(07:43):
offense doesn't seem all that interested in trying to, you know,
bring the interceptor down or are we making too much
of this?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I honestly think we're making too much of it. I mean,
it's not even something I noticed during the game. You know,
that fifty to fifty ball that was that was thrown
in zero coverage. I mean, I saw it clear as
day that even though he was running. I'm like, well,
he's down by contact. He's just wasting Indy right now.
I know that he probably didn't hear the whistle, and
maybe that wasn't a whistle, but I'm like, it's very

(08:12):
obvious that he hit him actually in mid air when
he made that play, and so he's down by contact.
So I understand that one, Like, why give all this
extra effort when I know that he's down one hundred percent?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
He is down?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
The other one? You know, it's thrown in a double coverage,
And you know, I never thought that there was a
lack of effort. You know, maybe some body language that's
unbecoming of Justin Jefferson. But look, man, he's built up
so much equity he is. He's such a dog when
it comes to his effort and the way that he
goes out there, and it's such a pro and it's

(08:45):
such a good role model for everybody on that team
that No, he's got to show me a lot more,
a lot more egregiousness than what they're talking about right now,
and he's got to do it for a longer period
of time before I'm on on that team, you know,
starting to question whether his effort it's there and his
focus is there.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Seven to six three guy asks me to ask you
what you thought of the Vikings time management under two
minutes before the half. We got the ball, squad at
the time handed it back for a way too easy
field goal to make it ten to nine.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, I would agree with that. You know, if I
can remember off the top of my head, I think
we had a minute eleven left to go in the
in the first half, we get the ball with two timeouts.
At the end of that that drive that sequence, I
think only thirty two seconds the game clock had went
off the off the board there. So yeah, I mean
every coach talks about it, and we've heard koc talk

(09:35):
about it. You got to win that middle eight that
four minutes at the end of the first half and
the four minutes at the start of the second half,
and that's those moments where you need to own that
middle eight and you need to go down there with
the score views up all of your time, don't allow
the Ravens to even have a possession in which they
went down and scored three points on and then you
want to get the ball back. It's the whole reason

(09:56):
why you defer. You want to get the ball back
at the start of the second half and own that
because as well and hopefully get some points. And we've
seen it, we've been on both sides of it. But
that is a momentum shifter. I mean that changes the
game plan. If they go down there, let's say they
get a touchdown, there's fourteen points on the board in
a span of a couple minutes. That changes their approach
and now puts them on their heels a little bit defensively,

(10:18):
and now it puts them a little bit of aggressiveness
that they didn't want to have in the second half offensively.
So yeah, I think I think if Kosi had to
do it all over again, sure he'd love to have
that end of first half back.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
You're a correct one to eleven left, we get the
ball back. McCarthy hits Addison for five to put us
on the Vikings forty incomplete pass deep left Addison and
then incomplete pass short to the right hand side as well.
So now it's we're punning with forty seconds to go
on fourth and five, and they ultimately get to go

(10:53):
four plays sixty three yards pretty quickly. The big play
was the Flowers short pass to the left right that
Flowers turned into a big, very big play for twenty
seven yards. That's what kind of opened the door. And
then then the other the gift they got was the
personal file roughing the passer penalty on on Dallas Turner,

(11:18):
which was the classic where you got to find a
way to move to the side. In fact, I think
we got that call a week ago in a game,
and that obviously put them in prime field goal position
as well. So it's ten to nine coming out for
the second half.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
How did you feel?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
So we get the ball to start the second as
you said, and we get the running game going early,
and then it's after I think a run and a pass,
it's it's it's going to be third and one. And
that was the fateful pick where I think McCarty where
JJ stumbled the Jefferson stumbled and that ball was intercepted,

(11:57):
and the head coaches said, look, I threw it on
third down because I knew we were going for it
and I had a run called for fourth down.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Do you believe him?

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh yeah, I totally believe him. I mean, I think
that was that was the plan all along for you
know what he was thinking as far as a play
caller goes.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
But you know, the one.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Area that you know, I don't particularly love is the
fact that, yes, you've got a favorable pass situation in
that in that there was zero coverage and you're like, okay,
it was really like third and less than a yard, yes,
And it's like, okay, we're gonna we've got two downs
to go one yard. Why don't we take a shot
here where if we get the coverage that we're looking for. Yeah,

(12:36):
all day long, we should be able to trust Justin
Jefferson in that situation. But then if you don't, though,
now now it's now it's the same situation but even worse,
like of course everybody's being packed up against the line
thinking that you're gonna run forward. Isn't that a better
situation to throw the football in? Right? So you know,

(12:59):
you can. You can talk about it both ways. It's like, yeah,
you've got a favorable passing down on third and one,
but don't you have an even better passing down on
fourth and one when everybody's now pulled into the line
of scrimmage and and and you're showing probably run So like,
I don't know, I think again, we have the beauty hindsight.
I would much rather in that game situation have wanted

(13:22):
to control the game a little bit more. Move the chains. Yeah,
find some sort of rhythm, uh, go with go with
a run play on third and one, and then then
if you don't get it, go again. You know, like,
I have two downs to get six inches. If you
can't do it with the with these new offensive linemen
that you brought in and a brand new rookie left

(13:42):
guard that's kind of a road raider, I mean, then
you got some real problems that you can't You can't
get six inches and two plays on a on a
downhill run. So you know, we I'd rather much rather
be talking about that than a change of possession.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, we don't even like to run on third and three,
And it's okay to run on third and three. In fact,
there's a lot of team teams that do it, including
Credit Frankly, the team they're going to play this week,
the Bears. The hell they're not afraid to run on
second and ten to get Okay, well, maybe we'll get five,
maybe we'll get six. And not all teams are built
the same way. I understand that part of it too,
but I thought there are enough good signs, man. I mean,

(14:18):
Jones looks fresh as hell now again. I know he
can't get hurt and just did again last week, but
he looked awfully fresh to me.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Do we have a tush push anymore? We don't anymore?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Do we.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Our team? You know you're talking about our teams specifically.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, our team specifically? Do we have it?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Do we have that in our arsenal anymore? I feel
like we tried it a year or two ago, but
haven't since.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah. I was going to say, I don't think if
we've tried it, it really hasn't been all that successful. Yeah,
you know the type of play that I think would work.
I mean, shoot, Patrick Riccard, they ran it on us
on a short yard. It's just his I formation quick, Yeah,
belly dive right down the middle with your big fullback.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
I mean, I love that C J.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Ham.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
He's a former running back. I don't know if you
know we've heard him before, but he's back from injury.
I think he's fully capable of, you know, plowing ahead,
whether he's getting a push from the backside to pick
up less than one yard. But yeah, there are definitely
some plays out there that could get us that yard.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
The uh so McCarthy again, he had some the great
the first drive was excellent. He had a lot of miscues,
a lot of arrant balls as well. Do you see
any pattern is it he has he gets sped up,
or he has trouble if he's moving around a little bit,
or is it just okay, this is just part of

(15:37):
the process with him. Is there any constant to when
he seems to lose accuracy?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, I mean I can't really put a finger on it.
Like you know, I don't think we have a bigger
up sample size quite yet. I mean I think that
there's plays shoots. You know, the touchdown to Hawkinson last game,
you know that was scrambled to the right. Sure, it
seemed like he was in under duress, and you'd think
that his mind is moving very fast and his body's
clearly in motion and he's able to throw a dart

(16:08):
right between the numbers on you know, kind of a
throw that you'd be like, eh, you threw that back
to the middle of the field, like just just be careful,
you know. So No, I can't pinpoint any specific moments.
I definitely think that, you know, every first time starter
in their fourth game, you know, still has a process,
process that's being sped up, maybe quicker than you'd like.

(16:29):
You don't see a lot of vets. I mean, you
look at Aaron Rodgers even from last night, even though
it wasn't getting a lot of protection and you know,
they didn't do much offensively, But when he rolls out
and he has to scramble, likes there's urgency. There doesn't
seem to be panic, And I think there's a big
difference between the two. And again that comes from experience
and you know, ten thousand live reps sort of things.

(16:50):
So he'll get there. I definitely have faith that JJ's
gonna get there, and he's shown enough on talent to
make some certain throws. Yeah, I think once he calms
his body down, you know, he'll be much more accurate.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Top splash Player of the Game for Ben.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Leber Hop Splash Sierra, Nevada's Hop Splash Player of the Game.
I'm cheating, okay, Dan, I'm gonna cheat. I'm gonna go
with both of our inside linebackers, Cashman and Eric Wilson.
And again for this award, it's for things that don't
show up in the stat books. They went out last

(17:24):
week and played an athletics style of defense, and this
week they had to bow up and play a physical
brand of football, and I thought they met that on perfectly. Yes,
they had some runs, but you know, you got to
take on a big old fullback that's stang near three
hundred pounds leading the way behind a two hundred and
fifty five pound running back.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
There was one particular play, Eric Wilson came screaming down
the hill in the red zone, took on, took on Ricard,
bounced off of him, and was the first to make
contact with Derrick Henry. I mean I saw multiple plays
where they were taking on the full back and keeping
themselves alive. So I thought they really did a good
job of stepping up, you know, shutting down the run.

(18:08):
For the most part, never really never really got out
the gate and fell out of control. Jonathan Allen I
thought played really well against the run as well. But
for this award, I'm gonna give it to those two
guys who was.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
The running back in your career that you absolutely despised
having to.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Tackle the bus man I play against d Yeah, nightmare
fuel right there.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I talked to those two linebackers after the game and
I was like, you know, how was it playing against
that big dude?

Speaker 6 (18:36):
And they're like, not that bad?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, like, as long as you don't let him
get going downhill and you get that big stiff arm,
you know, you can get low enough to take his
legs out. I think Cashman did that a couple of
times as well. But in they're right, you know, he's
so long legged and high hips that. Yeah, if you
get to him before he starts chugging, you can bring
him down. I mean, the bus was just so low,
you know, like ran with such good pad level that

(18:59):
it's I mean the only way to get lower than
him is a torpedo. But then you have to lose
your feet. Yeah, and if you don't time it up,
he's just gonna step over the top of you.

Speaker 7 (19:10):
Yeah, that's a good name. I haven't thought about him
in a long long time. He was a hell of
a running back, for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It just goes back to how how long ago I
played A long time.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
It's been a while, has it not.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, So we got the Bears, got the NFC North news,
the Packers are hosting the Eagles tonight. That's will be
of interest I think the Vikings fans and NFC North fans.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
And then we got the Bears coming in next week.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I will tell you that I've continued to disparage the
Bears pretty much every week that I I didn't trust
them as they got the five and three. There's still
a party that's not sure I trust them as a
six and three team because they have played the easiest
part of their easy schedule. It's about to get tougher,
I think within the division the rest.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Of the way.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
On the other hand, I got a acknowledge that with
Ben Johnson, he has figured out a way with this
QB to open the door to him making some pretty
ridiculous comebacks late now again, not against great defenses, but
they found a way to do it. So to me,
this falls into the classification of this amount a game.
You can mess around with at all. Given the Vikings position,

(20:22):
and given probably the Bears, whether they're real or not,
have have gained a little bit of confidence in the
fact that they're sitting there at six and three.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, you just said the word that I was I
was going to use myself. I mean, it's confidence. I
don't I don't think most players really look at the
strength of schedule the way.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
That fans dobrue.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
You know, they're they're not saying, oh, I'm going to
discredit this win or this winning streak because you know,
we just haven't played great teams. I mean, you take
these wins and it fuels you, you know, it motivates you.
It in their case, the way that they're able to
come from behind, the way that they're able to watch
their playmaker, a co ter back go out there and
make plays like it's all just building confidence. It's all

(21:04):
just another building block to their whole season and what
they want to build from, not this year, but beyond.
And uh and that's the one thing that you know,
it does worry me. You know, we're we're still trying
to figure out where we sit, and they probably feel like, hey,
we're very comfortable with where we are, and we like
this game plan. We like that what we can do.

(21:25):
We know that division games are tougher, they're a different animal,
and they got to come into our place with our fans,
and you look at it from the positive things from
our game is that you can fix self inflicted wounds.
You know, it's frustrating for us to walk away from
the Ravens game feeling like it's a game that we
lost versus a game that the Ravens won. But to

(21:47):
have that comfort knowing that these are fixable problems and
if like we just fixed some of these very easy
correctable things into the next game, we're still a hell
of a football team. I think it'd be different if
we walk in and it was playing the Ravens and
it felt like the Chargers game and we're soul searching
and we're like, whoa.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
What just happened?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Like we don't even know where to begin because everything
went bad because they were just way better than us
on this particular day. So I'm not super super concerned
about where we are. I know that we're going to
figure it out, and I know that we're going to
bring some extra juice because it's a division game.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, finish with this. This is from seven six three guy, Nacho.
It goes without saying can break down a game like
no one else. So the fans are still out there
in your favor. If your own confidence was it all wavering,
and I'm not here to suggest it was, that might
be the confidence boost you're looking for. A text out
of nowhere giving a great credit for.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
The way you break down a game.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh man, that does make me feel really good.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
You know, I was.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I was having one of those like moondays. Yeah, having
a moonday and it happens to the best of us.
Happened one of those days, and for no real reason,
it's just so man, you know, thank you.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
Who was that again?

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, you didn't have a name, but I just go
with the area code. Yeah, I think it's seven soon three,
let's be clear. Yeah, seven sixth three. Guys, So he you,
he wins you, You win him over, and then maybe
you feel a little bit better about yourself the rest
of the afternoon.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Aye.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
See there it goes.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
You know, seven sixth three, guy, I'm going to give
you a virtual hug right now.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know, we'll hug it out.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
All you can ask for. I have a wonderful week,
and we will talk to you next week. Thanks man.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
All right, and Dan, I promise you I'll give you
a real hug the next time I see you.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
I I got no problems with that.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
I don't. I don't even remember the last time I've
seen you. Now that's my fault.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
I never to.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I never go to games. That's the problem. That's the
The jackals are on me for that. But uh, maybe
maybe I'll maybe maybe that's the week Bear's week. Maybe
you say it's possible. Yeah, thanks man.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
All Right, Nacho Ben Lieber kind enough to join us.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Let's get to another very saucy Vikings talking point, and
then we'll prepare to talk air travel because there's a
lot to get to there. It's a very timely subject
with the thrifty traveler guy Kyle Potter. He is scheduled
for five point thirty oh no famous.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Moments na a gas offense.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
All right, well, let's up flip the script on that,
score a lot of points and actually win the game.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Really they're gonna okay McCarthy, Now with the Paul start
relative Paul start by.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
The offense number nine in five year penalty at first down,
join us again.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
For another famous moments in a gas offense.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well leave her alluded to it and I always like
to call this to their subject in a throwback and
homage to the salad days at the Metrodome.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
You met in the junk truck. By the way, I
want to give you a grand in your hand. Oh
sho bucks, No, that's okay, Grand, I should have done
it coming back. Grand is the final keyword of the
night Cafe dot com keyword Grand Salad Days Metrodome Walks
will haunt.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
If it's third and six for the Vikings three to five.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
On third down, Kyle Hamilton threatens Blitz from the front
side of McCarthy, then he backs off.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
JJ takes the snap throasty bright side.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Jefferson intercept it Malakai Starks. Harry comes to the twenty
five thirty angles to the middle of the field of
the forty. Jordan Addison runs him down from behind at
the forty seven yard line. Fifth interception this year for J. J. McCarthy,
and he floated that one up there too much, picked
off by rookie Malachi Starks, who now has two interceptions

(25:53):
this year. Third and short two tight ends. They're balanced offset.
I right, Carthy on third and one is going to
pass from under center. He's gonna go deep. Jefferson him
now and Marlon Humphrey picked it up, picked it off
at the five yard line. The veteran Marlon Humphrey heads
up the field, lazi lead to the fifteen. Now he

(26:13):
sprints twenty twenty five and JJ McCarthy has thrown two interceptions.
He's sprinting over to the sideline. There's the loop, kitt.
Here comes Miles Price to the five to ten fifteen.
He dropped the ball at the twenty two yard line.
Miles Price second fumble this year at the twenty two
may give the Ravens the ball and very good field

(26:34):
position after they just grabbed the lead. It's a scrum.
It's a scrum. Three officials in there to establish who
has the ball. Miles Price fumbled at the twenty two
to twenty three Ravens ball for minus three and they
take divery.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Kidding me? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Could have in minus four the next kickoff of the
next kickoff is crazy.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
He fumbled in then the next guy it up. I
remember who it up? Yeah, I'm stunned. We got that
one back that would have obviously been.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
The killer.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
So yeah, you're in that goofy zone with Price because
you do not want to you do not want to
discourage what he the kind of weapon that he's already
proven that he can be, so you got to ride
it out. I guess I don't think you can bench
him because he's a really good seems to be a

(27:29):
really good return man. But again, if I tried with
a straight face to pick the Vikings to beat the Ravens,
you're not going to give yourself much of a chance.
Whatever you think of the relative strengths of the two teams.
If you're down oh three right in the takeaways, that's
just not no chance. It's going to be very realistic.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
And they scored on all three. They did score all right.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Well, that's the other reason I thought earlier that the
Vikings were in good shape, because the Ravens had to
keep settling for field goals and the way the games
fills played as well, Eventually, that's going to catch up
with them, right that they're that they're they're having to
settle for three points.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
But our offense wasn't good enough to make them pay
for any of that. It wasn't consistent enough, it wasn't
good enough, and where it was good enough, we didn't.
We didn't even bother to use it. As it pertains
to the to the ground game as well. So we
sit now.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
We continued to be in last place in the division.
The Lions recovered, perhaps as expected from losing to US
last week. They just toyed with the Washington Commanders, who
are without their number one quarterback.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
They scored in the forties, didn't they? The Lions?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
They were clinical offensively, they in a way that they
we not did not allow them to the week before.
And then you've got the Packers tonight hosting the Eagles.
They tell me it's going to be bare weather at Lambeau.
I think in the thirties with a lot of wind.

(29:04):
I don't the ESPN crew looks chilly. There is there
any precip because like Chicago area, there's parts of the
Chicago area and like Kenosha, Wisconsin just got obliterated with snow.
They had like a clipper come through and they got
a lot of snow. My sister, the coach, originally told
me they were supposed to get a foot but I
think it ended up staying closer to the lake than

(29:25):
she is. I don't know if they ended up getting
all that much in Loving, Lovely Barrington, Illinois.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Just clouds tonight in Greane Bay with the lower around
twenty three. So chili. That's Chili col for early November. Yeah, yeah,
that's chili. They may get some snow tomorrow, but nothing tonight.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Bears, as we talked about with Lieber, you know, I
don't know what to say about them. I've been disparaging them,
maybe too much on the basis of who they're playing.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
But I mean, the.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Giants are up ten, driving right down the field with
the kid quarterback, and he's I want to say, he'd
gotten a first down to like the twenty on an end,
like a running a kind of a bootleg around the
left side, but then he was reckless with the ball.

(30:18):
He fumbles the ball, gets hit pretty hard, fumbles the ball,
and the Bears recover. That's what changed the game. The
Giants were on the verge of going up seventeen or
thirteen if they have to settle for a field and
ultimately the Bears did get two touchdowns, so maybe they
would have won anyway. I don't know, but the game,
the momentum of the whole game switched at that point.

(30:38):
And as exasperating as Caleb can be, as inconsistent as
he can be in terms of putting the ball on
the receiver, in this case, I think they had seven
dropped passes.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Their offensive line did not protect the QB at all.
And this is one of those games where you got
to give William's credit that he won it almost on
his own by his escapability making some plays that ultimately
the game winning touchdown was him scrambling around left end
when I think like twenty five yards something like that.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
So and the Giants have seen enough. They relieved Brian David.
They got rid of that. They did that was you
could see it in his face.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'm actually when I was watching the game, he had
one of those like oversized Belichick hoodies and the hood
was up.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
He made it seem like it was like the Wind
Shows minus thirty and kind of looks like Larry the
Cable guy while he's wearing a little bit. That's true,
but the look on his face I really felt was
I'm done. I'm not going to recover from this. You
could sense it and that indeed was the case. So
as Leeber said, I don't know. I mean, if you

(31:49):
keep winning, you start gaining some confidence. Because remember the
Bear started strong last year, then they had that mess
in Washington and never recovered. They were one of the
worst team record wise, ended up being one of the
worst teams in the league. And so you got to
give the new coach credit for something.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Something is kicking in regarding what they what they're their
clutch offense lately is clearly improved over what it was.
And by the way they can run the damn ball.
They got a their second run, their second string running back.
I can't even pronounce it. Is it the Mahanga? No,

(32:25):
I can't remember Monong guy, that's his name.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Very good.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I was going to say, what's the river where Pittsburgh
is Manongahela. I think that's what I thought his name was.
He's surprisingly effected. Then Swift, who I gave up on
and the Lions gave up on. He looks reborn. He's
been really really good this year. And and by the way,

(32:51):
third and seven or second and se or second and
ten can be a running call for them. And not
all teams are built the same way. But I honestly
believe we have a coach who doesn't understand that it
is legal on second and ten to hand them all off,
because the thinking isn't that you're going to get all

(33:13):
ten realistically, but what if you get six?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (33:17):
It's the old third and makeuple kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
There's nothing wrong with, you know, having the difference on
a second and ten giving the defense something to think about,
you know.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I mean it had to be as predictable as hell
for the Ravens, and you hurd burst its earlier via.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
The talking point, say well, the way they're playing defense,
you can't forget the running game, the way there, the
way their secondary is set up. By the way, who's
the safety that we passed on that we could have
gotten and the year we moved down.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yea for Lucy? Oh my god, yeah, I know what
a player. I even watched the game yesterday.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
If I were him, I'd have a hard time doing it,
I admit, because there'd be a lot of self loathing
there have to be after that.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
I mean, that's just that guy's he's a big time taken. Yeah, yeah,
the mess we'll we traded down fifty seven spots.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
You get six extra spots, extra picks, which we've squandered
most of those too, I think.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
And unfortunately for lewis seen he's not with us anymore.
Is he in the league? Think he is? I think
we played him, yeah, but I can't say he's on
anybody's fantasy team.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
The aviation industry is kind of a mess right now,
a lot of flights postponed, canceled, whatever the case may be.
Very special guest Kyle Potter of three feet Traveler AMN
dot com is going to join us next to kind
of update us on how upset the industry is. What

(34:44):
the average rubs, you know, I guess alternatives are, what
their rights are if they get caught in the middle
of a flight that's been canceled because there's been a
lot of cutbacks. How quickly might the system get back
to one hundred percent once if, as expected, the shutdown
is over.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
We'll get to all those things and more with Kyle Potter.
That is coming up next here in the Fan.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Time now for the Vikings Report on the Fan, presented
by Miller Lyte. Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins Denver
reroom next.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
All right, we've had a lot of Vikings conversation today,
as we always do on a Monday, and there'll be
time later this hour and into the six o'clock half
hour to revisit more Vikings talking points.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
But every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Story comes along that I think in our listenership that
includes I think a lot of people that move around
the area, move around the country, in some cases, move
around the world, generally using air you know, air travel
that we didn't want to keep putting off what GUARDSI
had reminded me last week to get to with uh
with Kyle Potter, thrifty traveler guy in fact yesterday and

(36:22):
he'll probably appreciate this. I had several texts from people saying,
what are you going to have him on? So you
are in the public kfe in bumper to bumper slash
Sunday Sermon's consciousness that that can't.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Be all bad, correct, No, I'm curious. I'm glad you've
clarified that she's got a lot of people who are
traveling around the world on aircraft, because I'm curious how
many are traveling via ale.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
That's a great point. Well, you know me, I'm a throwback.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
You know, I'm a throwback I'm a romantic I'm a
romantic guy who you know, wishes I could have taken
a you know, a boat across the pond to Europe
or something, which I guess you still can if you
want to write, or does that not even exist anymore?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
There's no time like the president and to guard these
point that might be the best bet right now.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well, you're right exactly it, all right, So tell us
give me all your best analytics on the percentages of
flight the percentage of flights that are basically just going away.
What the last this weekend has been like? Is it
dogs and cats living together? Open chaos? Not quite as
bad as that?

Speaker 7 (37:31):
How would you describe the current scene during this shutdown
period that allegedly is about to end.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
So I'll put it this way. Yesterday Sunday was one
of the worst days in the air travel that we've
had in the last two plus years. There were nearly
three thousand flights nationwide canceled and more than ten thousand delayed.
Today isn't looking whole lot better than that. The final

(38:01):
numbers might might finish out a little bit better, but
not by a whole lot. We're still in this is
this is everything hit in the fan basically all at once.
I think, most importantly, every time I've come on and
we've talked about, you know, air travel melting down, it
has generally speaking been one airline. It was Delta last

(38:25):
summer as a result of the crowd strikeoutage in July
of twenty twenty four. It was Southwest in you know
winter Christmas twenty twenty two into early twenty twenty three.
And this time it is everyone. Everyone is struggling. Some
airlines are struggling more than others to try to catch
up and get planes moving. But there really isn't a

(38:48):
safe haven here. Everybody is struggling, which means, you know,
if you're traveling on a plane, your odds are perhaps
greater than they've ever been that you're not going to
get where you need to go on time, if at all.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So well, maybe I can introduce this next subject with
a text from six to one to two. Guy who
asks you Clee claims he can't find the answer anyplace else.
I've got a kid flying home from Hartford in two
weeks for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Will this MECHS mess be fixed by then?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Is it specifically departures from MSP or both departures and arrivals.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Well, well, it's everything, and I will admit six one
two guys, I don't know if the Delta non stops
to Hartford. We're on the list of federally mandated cuts.
You know. I think the question on everyone's mind is
is this going to drag into Thanksgiving? And you know,
I think the good good issus is that, you know,

(39:46):
if the deal in Congress moves through at some point
this week, well we should be past the worst of it.
But I do think we're still going to continue to
see lingering problems with air travel for probably at least
a couple of weeks. Nothing on the scale of what
I just talked about, you know, Sunday and again today,

(40:07):
I hope knock on wood. But you know, the Department
of Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said over the weekend that
in normal times, pre shutdown, the SAA would lose you know,
somewhere around four air traffic controllers a day to retirement,
career changes, whatever, and over the past few days that's

(40:29):
been more like fifteen or twenty.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And oh, by the way, all hiring.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Recruiting and training of new air traffic controllers has been
paused for the last forty plus days, which means and
the way that Secretary Duffy put this is that this
is going to have impacts that lasts far beyond whenever
the government reopens. Now again, I don't want people to
think this means it's going to be pure chaos over Thanksgiving,

(40:58):
but you know that that is the single busiest travel
period of the year typically, and I don't want people
to think that it's going to be completely smooth sailing
in a couple of weeks, because all signs are pointing
to there being some lingering issues with travel disruptions, especially
when things get really busy.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
All right, So what are the rights of the average
room under these circumstances?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
You know, really not much here. Travelers in the United
States don't have much in the way of rights when
things go wrong in air travel, especially when it's not
the fault of the airline and it is something like
a work shortage for the FAA as we're seeing now,
or whether you know, we've all been in those situations
where there's been a bad storm and you get stuck

(41:48):
somewhere overnight and you try to get something from the
airline and they tell you to pounce SAMs, and that's
what's going to happen here. The one right that we
really have that does come in handy now is that
when airline cancels your flight for whatever reason, including weather,
including you know, say a federal government issues driven by

(42:08):
a forty day shutdown, you can cancel your entire reservation
and get a refund, not just a credit that might
expire is a year or less, but actually get your
money back, which means, you know, if you're traveling this
week and things aren't looking good and you're happy to say,
you know what, I don't need to take this trip.
I can try again later this year or sometime next year,

(42:31):
you can cancel that flight altogether and get a refund
back to your original form of payment. And that's kind
of it. It's not nothing, but it's there.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
So do you have to be proactive if you decide
I'm gonna roll the dice and then I'm going to
get to that point and I'm going to be told
I don't know how you know, if it's that day
you learn that flight's been canceled. At that point, do
you have that same alternative or do you just have
to live with a credit at that point, No, you do.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Still have that off, and you can really play it
up to a day of hour of your originally scheduled departure.
And if that flight does ultimately get canceled or significantly delayed,
which the Department of Transportation defines as a delay domestically
of three or more hours, same same rights kick and
you can cancel that entire reservation for a full refund.

(43:21):
And and one interesting element that I think speaks to
the kind of trouble that airlines are in and trying
to keep up in all of this mess, is that
all of the major airlines have come out and said, yes,
of course, if we cancel your flight, we'll give you
a refund, which I will note is something that they
have not been so forthcoming about, especially when they were
canceling flights by the thousands in the early days of

(43:44):
the pandemic. But they are now saying that, you know,
if you're scheduled to travel at least through this week,
even if your flight hasn't been canceled or affected by
these disruptions, explicitly, they will allow you to just call
in or tech in or go in and manage your
reservation and cancel your flight. For a full refund, because

(44:05):
they're just trying to get as many people out of
seats as possible so they can get away with flying
less than they normally want.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
So it doesn't matter if when you originally booked it
it's it was called non refundable. That doesn't have any
impact given this circumstance.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Exactly, even a few books the cheapest basic economy flight
for seventy nine dollars to Pittsburgh, you can still cancel
for a full refund.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
That's good to know.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Six to one to two guy wants to know if Amtrak,
depending I guess on where you're going, might be a
legitimate alternative that that that may sound good in theory,
but that can be complicated and where you're headed and
all that kind of stuff, right right.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Well, and you know, I'll say, I think a lot
of people are acting that question. You know, we got
some data from the aviation analytics company Syrium today that
shows that they have soon started to see a slowdown
in how many people are booking flights for Thanksgiving a week,
which means, you know, I think a lot of people

(45:07):
are asking that question, Should I take the train, if
that's an option? Should I just hop in the car
and drive for six seven hours when I would rather
fly for you know, an hour and a half or less.
But when things are looking as uncertain as they are
right now, I can't blame them.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
The we keep hearing that we're on the verge of
finally having a breakthrough and that the shutdown is probably
going to handle. I think nothing is certain until it
is certain, but every indication seems to be that it's
going to take a while, right that even if that,
if there is a breakthrough there, it's not like then

(45:46):
we snap our fingers and everything is back to one
hundred percent correct.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Exactly. And there's a few reasons for that. One, Most
importantly it's, you know, we've we've got a now smaller
air traffic control workforce apparently than we had going in
to the shutdown, and those people aren't going to those offices,
those facilities across the country that have been so handstruck
for the last week and change are not going to
be back up to one hundred percent as soon as

(46:12):
a bill gets tigned, right, It's going to take time
to get those people back in those seats. Two is
that you know, the airlines are clearly struggling to keep up.
That's what we saw really start to spiral out of
control over the weekend is that you know, Delta, for example,
on Sunday, canceled or delayed fifty four percent of its
flight nationwide on Sunday. That's really bad. That is so

(46:36):
far beyond the four percent FAA mandated reductions that the
federal government put in place in order to try to
keep planes moving on time and safely across the country.
And then finally that four percent reduction that the FAA
put in in place starting late last week is going

(46:56):
to start to scale up. It goes up to six
percent tomorrow, and then by Friday it goes up to
ten percent. And Secretary Dusty said today that even if
the shutdown ends, that's not going to change immediately. That
it's going to take time for them to assess the
data and say, yes, okay, we can justify bringing you
know a air traffic back up to one hundred percent.

(47:19):
So all of these things are really playing against the
airlines and trying to get things moving reliably, and it's
going to take time for them to get back there.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
So what accounts for the fifty stat that you gave.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
You know, the biggest thing is, and this is a thing,
when when an airline starts to melt down, there's it's
never just one thing. So in the case of Delta,
there are these you know, these SAA mandated reductions, which
I think put every airline in the country on its heels.
You need to rework your schedules to accommodate those cuts.

(47:58):
And you know that crew that you were banking on
flying from Minneapolis to Denver so that it could fly
on where it from Denver to Seattle. You know, if
one of those legs get cut, you got to rework
everything on the fly, so that automatically puts you out
a disadvantage. And then over the weekend down in Seattle,
which you know, the old joke is that everything for

(48:18):
Delta moves through Atlanta. Right there was some really bad
weather and then there were five plus hour delays getting
off the ground in Atlanta, which again sets your entire
operation back, and so it all ends up in this
kind of ugly snowball effect where an airline struggles to

(48:39):
keep things moving, they start running out of crew trying
to keep the airline running on time to rescue flights
that otherwise might be stuck or stranded or delayed, and
it all leads to, you know, a pretty pretty nasty day.
And again today is for Delta looking a little bit better,
but it's still pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Potter is the editor of Thrifty Traveler and joins us
pretty much every time we get into these sorts of crises,
which unfortunately seen now. I haven't been that often lately,
but this is obviously a big one. A couple of
texts I want to get your reaction to this is
from looks like seven two guy seven oh two. As

(49:22):
a former air traffic controller, I can tell you that
the United States is the only West, the only one
of the next one the western nations where the government
runs air traffic control. Every other nation is privatized. I
think we've talked about this before. Where are we on
that whole process? Are we any closer to that taking place?
Would that be the best solution moving forward? Or is

(49:45):
it more complicated than that.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
In your mind?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
You know, I don't know. I know I'm not smart
enough to answer that question intelligently. I do think this
will probably result in having more of those conversations at
the federal level, right, But also you do I think
there is an element of the devil. You know that

(50:11):
replacing the entire system by which you know, you run
air traffic control and run our nation's airspace is a
really tough sell when there are a lot of other
problems to solve. So I don't know. I know, President
Trump talked about today again for the latest time, more
ways to modernize air traffic control technology. That is obviously

(50:36):
those conversations are obviously going to continue. But in terms of,
you know, the idea of privatizing air traffic control, I mean,
I feel like we talked about that once once a year,
once every two years, and then these stories disappear from
the headlines and everybody moves on. So I don't know
whether that's that's any more likely, truly likely than it was.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
You know, just a couple of weeks ago, six one two,
I asked in a good I think follow up question.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
He's mentioning he's got a trip to DC plan this weekend,
including flight and hotel. If his flight is canceled, does
he have any recourse with hotel reservations, because I think
some hotels demand a certain amount of money ahead of time,
and maybe there's some stuff that's non refundable. How does
that work or how would that work in that sort
of scenario.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
You know, you're really going to.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Have to handle these things on a case by case basis.
We have seen some of the major hotel chains come
out and say, if you will, if your travels are
affected by these disruptions, we will refund your reservation. So
that's a possibility, you know, to either look into it
with the hotel chain or at the property itself. You know.
The other possible recourse here is travel insurance, whether it's

(51:49):
something you buy it separately, whether you add it on
to your your flight reservation, whether you booked on a
good travel credit card that has these things built in.
But we're very clearly learning we went last week that
a lot of these policies either have terms written into
the fine print or fine print is so vague that

(52:12):
there's a lot of wiggle room for the insurance to
actually deny claims that are a result of disruption stemming
from workforce, air traffic control, and any umbrella term that
you can come up with. So I don't want to
discourage anyone from fighting for reimbursement, because they absolutely should

(52:34):
regardless of what the policy says. But I think everybody
who is in that situation of they get stuck somewhere
overnight and they need to pay for a hotel or
they aren't able to make the trip, and they're trying
to recoup some of those costs, I think everybody is
probably going to need to prepare for a fight in
order to try to get some of that money.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Last question from the audience. This is I think a
call or a text out of Randy. In fact in
Duluth he says that he and his wife are flying
are flying from Minneapolis Saint Paul the JFK to Athens,
Greece on the fourteenth of this month. What should be
our biggest concern security lines, air traffic control, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
We have not talked much about that.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Are security lines out of control through this period or
what does what would someone in Randy's position have to
be most concerned with.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
You know, the security lines has been I will say,
a surprise and that it hasn't been worse, And maybe
that's just a reflection of the fact that air traffic
control and flight disruptions have been so bad that it's
overshadowed issues at TSA checkpoints. I mean, I think for Randy,
the biggest thing is just making sure that you get

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to JFK. You know, fortunately, the long haul international operations
have been pretty much spared by these reductions and disruptions
as airlines have struggled to keep things moving. You know,
the same isn't true for flight from JFK to to
London or Athens, but you got to get to JFK first,
and so you know, I would say if if you

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if you are booked on the same ticket, meaning you
know you're flying from Minneapolis to JFK and JFK to Appens. Fortunately,
Delta or whichever airline you're flying with, is responsible for
getting you all the way to Appen. Even if you
know your first flight to New York City gets canceled
or delayed, they'll put you on the next available one.

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But I would say, you know, the best thing anybody
can do right now, especially if they're trying to make
a connection, is to take the first flight of the day.
So you know, even if it's going to be a
brutal wake up time getting to the Doulut Airport down
to Minneapolis and onward to Athens or onward to New York,
you know that that's six or seven am departure, getting

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on that flight, changing your flight if you can is
going to be one of the best things that you
can do just for peace of mind.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Thank you for the intel as always, we appreciate it.
And and why don't you give folks an opportunity to
maybe learn a little bit more about Thrifty Traveler.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, well, right now, our whole team is really just
later focused on helping people out here, whether it's you know,
figuring out what they can do if they're flying in
the days to come, or or asking the questions of
you know, is this going to extend into Thanksgiving? So
Priftytraveler dot com, or writing about these things every single day,
writing about travel insurance policies, all the ins and outs

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of what you need to know to try to get
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well as us to use those credit card points and apere.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Line mile invaluable stuff. Thanks my friend. It's always good
to chat with you, Kyle.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
One of these times we'll get to talk about something fun.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Today is definitely not that day. Thanks again. Have a
good week.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
Yeah you too.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Kyle Potter, Editor, thrifty traveler with a lot I think
of really helpful info and intel as well.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Vikings lost yesterday. I don't know how much of how many.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Of you know that.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Maybe you weren't paying attention.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
Maybe I should have offered up a spoiler alert because
you were going to tape, you had taped the game
you're going to watch tonight.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Well, cat's out of the bag.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I got another at least one more Vikings talking point
as we get back to a very disappointing afternoon at
the People Stadium in downtown Minneapolis yesterday.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Stay tuned. No famous moments up.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Kid gas offense.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
Twenty thirteen, Ravens. I think that's number six. You've got
to be kidding me with this fall.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Start offense number seventy five. It's a five year penalty.
It's port down.

Speaker 9 (56:55):
Join us again for another.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Famous moment a kid gas offfense, but Barbie from us

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from just pounding away at a disappointing twenty seven to
nineteen loss. There were a couple of nice things that
happened in the at the People Stadium yesterday. It sure
started out awfully encouraging, didn't it.

Speaker 8 (57:51):
McCarthy empty backfield, he's out of the shotgun. Three receivers right,
two to the left, Hawkinson and Jones to the left.
The Ravens show blitz the left of McCarthy. Then they
pack off. Actually it's a three man rush and McCarthy
fires right. Caught Jefferson at the twenty two runs out
of allens at the twenty three hits a ten yard
hit and a first down for the Vikings Pete.

Speaker 6 (58:13):
They only rushed three guys. One got through and hit JJ.
That's Kyle, Kyle Hamilton just doing it. It's a three
man stunt, just trying to get everyone to pass that
thing off. But great job by JJ McCarthy recognizing the
coverage and putting that.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Football out there.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
Before JJ was even in his break, that football was
on its way, So that was great anticipation by McCarthy.
McCarthy wearing the nine facing a four man rush, He's
gonna fade left to.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Dalen Naylor conn at the forty, had a Raven blue
and tackle step by.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Nailor at the thirty, falls to the twenty, wins to.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
The ten down at the five, hey sixty two yard
catch and run by the speedy Jaalen Naylor.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
What a huge play for JJ McCarthy. Paul, he lines
up in empty sees man across the board, no one,
he's gonna get pressure.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Up the middle.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
Of course, he knows he's gonna get Jalen Naylor without
any help from the free safety, and delivered a beautiful
fade down the sideline.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
And you know it's a great fade when.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Naylor, after catching it, has the ability to make a
move and make a couple of people miss.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
So just an explosive play.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
And for McCarthy it's important because when defenses want to
roll up and they want to blitz you, you gotta
make them pay.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
You gotta burn them.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
The Ravens are gonna think twice about blitzing JJ McCarthy
after that one.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So promising, But as we've learned, how many times you
can't go Harvey Kite tell on the bit too soon.
You have to let a game play out. That's what
the best teams do. That's why the best teams don't panic.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Early.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Ravens have been through their head coach Harbaugh has been
through this a million times.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Like eighteen years exactly.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
He's like fifty and twenty ag like rookie quarterbacks, quarterbacks,
some crazy number.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
And I think now the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Number for Jackson for Lamar against NFC teams is twenty
five and three, counting yesterday's game, twenty five and three.
That's a pretty good mark. But it did start well,
and I liked what the Vikings did early. Defensively, I
didn't think the Ravens looked all that motivated.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
They didn't look that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
It just it just didn't feel like they were ready
to start the game. And it looked like the Vikings
were ready to start the game. But you got to
be able to start the game, and you have to
be able to finish the ball game as well. Interesting
question offered by a six point two guy back in
the days of the famous bumper and bumper pole questions.

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This might have been one, Oh yeah, those are days.
What has a better chance of happening the Twins increased
payroll or koc running the ball on third and one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
We know it's not good baseball. I think it might
be the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
Twins increasing payroll. Wow, that's you think that's a bit.
So we've got sty years of Kaos's only in year four.
But I understand the center doesn't like running it. I
don't understand why. Well, I do understand why. I think
we've got him pegged in this regard. He ses one

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of those aesthetic guys. But but that's what's so maddening
about it. The run is esthetically pleasing the way that
they do it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
It should be. They've had, they have some beautiful runs.
Should be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I mean, maybe I'm too throwback because I I love
a good run. I do I and I like, like
I said, we all live in this world now where
second and ten is supposed to be has to be
a run and again, depending on the team. Forty nine
Ers don't feel like they have to run on second
and ten, do they? The Ravens don't feel like they

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have to ares I should say pass on second ten.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I don't know if the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Ravens feel like they have to pass on the second ten.
Eagles don't feel like they have to pass on second
and intent. The Bears with it With Ben Johnson, he
proved it with the Lions last year, saying this year
in Chicago, he might view second and ten as a
running down if you have enough faith in your running
game and you don't lose your mind if you don't

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get it. But when we're throwing the number of incompletions,
and again, be careful mac bobos. I'm not saying that
means I'm giving up on JJ McCarthy. It's just a
fact that right now he's throwing a lot of incompletions.
He made the argument that a run is actually makes
more sense because if you pass on second and ten,

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it's an incomplete pass. What's that third and ten, third
and long and third and long? And if you run,
maybe it's gonna be second and six or third and six.
I should say, maybe it's gonna be third and two.
If you break one parish of thought, maybe it'll.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Be a first down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So I don't know, Well, might as well get to
one more. This one is named lovingly for Mike Tice.
We call it Live by the Dog, Die by the Dog.
We'll explain after.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Jackson now gonna shotgun. He is sound man.

Speaker 8 (01:03:21):
They're gonna clang. Came in late Dallas Turner with the
sack and he smashed Lamar Jackson back at the thirty six.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
But they're gonna get They're gonna get Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Turner for roughing the passer, roughing the palace runs in
the first one at fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Body way, it's fifteen money Wait it amunt a first down?

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
Well that's yeah, I mean that's what they're gonna call that.
I mean, they're gonna they're gonna protect the quarterback.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
I've seen Dallas Turner in no way thrust or tried
to harm that young man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
No, no, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
I mean, it's just the way, it's just the way
the league is now. I mean, they're they they're going
to protect the quarterbacks. We had one called last week
on JJ McCarthy that was probably yeah, I am somewhere
in that ballpark. So it's just a it's kind of
a shame in that regard that, uh that that was
a great play by Dallas Turner. He was the penetrator

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on a looping stunt and came free and the acceleration
of the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
I mean, it's it's just.

Speaker 8 (01:04:25):
Too bad that they got to tack that on. I mean,
because that was a huge play. You and Ben played
linebacker for many years in the NFL. If you were
teaching a front side form tackle, tell me you wouldn't
teach what you just saw.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I don't know what. I wouldn't know what to tell him, honestly,
got it's like you're you're unblocked, you got a running start.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
I mean, what else can you do? Versuch is right?
Versus called it that. I hate the call.

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
I hated it when it was that, when we got
the fifteen yards a week ago, last week.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Exactly, Yeah, everybody hates yes, I hate it, We hate it.
Burkhart was bitter, Brady was bitter. But that's the rule.
It is a bad rule.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
It's it's the The reality is that all you really
have to do, I think is half fake going to
the side a little bit, and they're probably not going
to make that call. And again, we can't get high
and mighty about going against us this week when we
received the very same call I think a key situation

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the week before.

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
It's just and it was the exact same deal where
there was no it wasn't like the player the quarterback
was ground into the ground. But if you land fully
and you don't find some way even though I think
it's unfair to expect it of a defensive player and
unnatural to expect of a defensive player to sort of roll.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
To the side a little bit. They're going to call it.
It's just the way it works.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
By the way, I rarely see that same sort of
sack called roughing the passer in college. Is the rule
by letter different? It has different I think where was it?
We just give more license to kids because they're kids.
I don't think they have the body weight rule in college. Yeah,
grim would know if he's listening to he knows every rule.

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Maybe we got to protect pro investments, you know, that's
that's probably a lot of it. And again I don't
I don't think there's a fairness to it because.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Like I said, how do you it was a hard tackle?
How do youah? It's it's the way I want to
do it. I'm worried that if I turn too soon,
what if he gets away?

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
And that's why to me, I don't know what the
answer is, uh, but I think it's it's one hundred
percent unfair to the defender. But it was that's the
way now it's it tends to be called, and it
was called to our favor, the very same call the
week before.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
Can't hit him, I can't hit him low and can't
hit him perfectly in the mid section and have your
weight on top of his weight.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
That's the tough part about being a defensive play.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
That's why at the end versus show, I don't know
what you tell him, because what people also forget is
how fast this thing is moving. Yeah, oh yeah, no question.
Dallas Turner comes free. He's got a free shot at
Lamar Jackson. He's he's got a fire on it. He's
got to go and in the in that tenth of
a second you're asking him to Then also, by the way,

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can you turn a little bit so all your way
doesn't go?

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Honest?

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
None of it makes any sense, no, none of it.
It sounds good on slow motion. Yeah, you can turn
a little bit. It just it's not a good rule.
I think they I almost think they have to get
rid of it. Well they might, I don't know if
there's any movement for that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
That's a subject we can explore with the officiating guy,
Kevin siefercause he's had to cover that part of the
National Football League for many, many years.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
All Right, let's wrap up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
The program will remind you of well kind of try
to summarize what we think we learned today and prepare
you for tomorrow's program as well.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
That's next year in the fan no much moments gets.

Speaker 8 (01:07:59):
On Justin Jefferson slot left, TJ. Hawkinson inside slot left.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
This is our seventh fall start in one game.

Speaker 7 (01:08:09):
Fall start offense number seventy five and one penalty.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
It's their down.

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
Join us again for another famous moment in up Kid
Gas Offense Show rap presented by American Pressure commercial grade
pressure washer since nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
It's the Bumper to Bumper show wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Thank you to Adam Thielen who joined at three point thirty,
Johnny Athletic at four, Ben Lieber about four fifty ish,
and a thrifty traveler guy Kyle Potter to change the subject,
albeit briefly at about five thirty. But we do have
a lot of people who travel, and a lot of
people curious about the state of the of the air

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travel the United States of America right now and the
picture what was more bleak the picture that Kyle Potter
laid out or the current condition your favorite foot ball
team after losing yet again.

Speaker 7 (01:09:01):
Man, tough call. Well, what how about this for a
toss up? Which gets better by Thanksgiving? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
The vikings are the travel situation.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
That's what everybody's thinking about, right, I'd travel Thanksgiving traveling.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
People are going places.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
It's two weeks off? Is it two weeks from Thursday?
I'm bad on the cars at three weeks from Thursday?
What's the day today? Yeah, it's got to be two
weeks from this Thursday. Today's the tenth. Right, Thanksgiving's got
to be two weeks from this Thursday? Yes, yes, Thanksgivings
the twenty seven, so that would be two weeks from
this thirdy around the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
You got a big week though. You're headed west? Right
when you are? You out Thursday and Friday?

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
I figured, yes, you got to prepare for the ducks
Friday night. Well, now I can't get there on my own, like,
I got to go with the team, you know, Is
that right? Well, there's times where I go on my own, yeah,
you know, to not miss as much work. Have you
booked anything already? No?

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Okay, so this is probably working out.

Speaker 7 (01:09:51):
Eugene is a is a unique one to get to
that makes sense and Uh, heck of a barn burner
between the Hawkeyes and the Ducks and duck weather basically right,
a lot of rain. The back to back your club. Yeah,
that was in Penn State into Iowa and Oregon. Was
a nice ball games. That's what Kevin Warren dreamed of

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with the TV windows right like in Fox to CBS.
Really really compelling games, great finishes, very true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Tonight after vikings rewind here on the fan, we got
more Wolves action.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
We're playing Utah again, this time on the road.

Speaker 9 (01:10:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I think our coverage will begin at seven forty five
tonight right here on the Flagship and then via the
Timberwolves channel as well. We were going to play a
good team again. I want I mean, we're we're doing better. Yeah,
we're building something. But I want to see us.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
This king on Friday. Really.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
We'll probably have Mike Conley later this second as well.
Fatten up on the schedule. That's that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
That's good too. Tomorrow is Kevin Seafert Day. It's also
Luigi Day, and who knows what else. Thanks for watching today,
Thanks for texting, and thank you for listening. We will
talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
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