November 11, 2025 • 30 mins
The FAN’s Dave SInykin and Brett Blakemore break down the Week 10 loss to the Eagles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Packer Review, a KFA in production. I'm Dave Sinekin,
joined by Brett Blake Moore as we try to make
sense of what we saw at lambeau Field on Monday night.
Packers fall to the Eagles ten to seven, dropping their
record to five three and one, and a masterful defensive
effort by the pack Jeff Hafley's unit was outstanding all night,
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holding the Philadelphia Eagles to less than three hundred yards
of offense. But it was an absolutely miserable performance by
a Packers offense, Brett Blake Moore that officially appears to
be broken just two weeks in change since they authored
a wonderful second half in Pittsburgh. This offensive game last
night was difficult to watch, to say the least.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, I love making excuses for this offense, especially the
you know, for instance, the Arizona game. Well, they only
had the ball three times in the first half. That's
on the defense, and it's hard to get in a rhythm.
I'm checking both my pockets, I'm checking the pants. You'll
check under the sink. I'm fresh out of excuses for
the offense. There really is an excuse. It was just
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dreadful from start to finish, Jordan Love look flustered like
someone we've never seen before, you know, are very rarely seen.
It's unexplainable, and now we're playing the blame game of
who broke it and who's going to pay for it?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, man, how do we fix it? Because that seems
to be the question DuJour. Happiest person in America on
Tuesday mornings, probably Jerry Jones, who's watching the Packers draft
position suddenly start to rock it up the charts, and
I'm not sure how far we are from bottom, but
it feels like we're not at bottom just yet. Back
to back home losses at Lambeau for the first time
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in the Matt Lafloor era, first time they've lost back
to back in consecutive weeks in like twelve years since
when Rogers broke his collarbone against the Perags. That's how
long it's been since we've seen back to back losses
at Lambeau in consecutive weeks. I don't even know where
to start. Well, obviously we're going to start with the
offense and the issues and the fact that this team
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managed a total of eighty three yards of offense in
the first half, zero for five on third down, twenty
yards net passing at halftime. Every drive seemed like a struggle.
And you know, to me, you know we can talk
about you know, look what's missing, right Look at there's
no Craft, there's no Golden, there's no Red Dobs went
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out in the first half of the chest injury. You're
down to bow Mountain, playing offense and making mistakes as
you would expect a running game that can't get get
on the tracked. The offensive line is abysmal and it's
not going to get better. Elton Jenkins now probably lost
for the season, his packer career likely over. We'll talk
more about that. Aaron Banks has been an unmitigated disaster
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at left guard. You can watch highlights and plays where
he just gets smoked last night. The offensive line has
regressed big time. And I just if you don't have
confidence in your line, and clearly Jordan Love doesn't, because
you could just see how the happy feet flustered, how
he's speeding up everything because he just doesn't trust the protection,
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mostly up up the middle, and unfortunately I don't I
don't know how you fix that on the fly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the run blocking was not there,
the pass blocking was not there. He just seemed just
so not like himself. We're so used to seeing Jordan
being calm, cool and collected. And every time the defense
got to stop, I kept telling myself, all right, here
we go, here's the big opportunity, this is where they
turn on. It just never happened. It never looked like
it was going to happen. And just from play calling
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to love being weird. I mean his QBR I have
it pulled up. His QBR is insanely low for him.
It's a thirty eight point eight. I mean that's inexcusable. So,
especially at home, it's it's just very frustrating.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean the elephant in the room is I
can't believe I'm saying this on November eleventh, but it's
Matt Lafleur's job security, which came up in the press
conference after the game. He was asked, you know, do
you think you're coaching for your's job the rest of
the year, and he gave the cliched answer that you're
always coaching for your job. You know, that's what you
always have to say when you're asked that question. The
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fact that that question came up here in week what ten?
When again, a couple of weeks ago, you're celebrating a
come from behind winning Pittsburgh, you're five to one and one,
you're atop the NFC. Two weeks later, you're being asked
about your job security. I mean, life comes at you
fast as an NFL head coach. And this will be
a talker Brett, because we all know when Ed Policy
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took over for Murphy, he chose not to extend Goody
and Lafleur, as the Packers have always done, never extended
coaches early. They always wait, in this case till heading
into the last season. Policy said he doesn't want a
lame duck situation, So you figure he's going to address
everything after the season. Here we are, and you know,
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both of those guys are gonna be evaluated when the
season is over, and I don't think it's a sure
thing that both are back. I think it's certainly more
likely that Gouda Kun sticks around. Here's your new GM.
You don't have a first round pick for a couple
of years. Have fun. But I don't think it's out
of the realm of possibility that Matt Lafleuur is coaching
for his job. The offense is regressing and not functioning well.
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When you've got fourth and one in the final minute
and change of a game, in a one possession game
on your home field, and you can't line up correctly,
you rush the play. You run the same play you've
run three times already, to the point where Eagles defenders
are yelling inside zone. It's an inside it, like they
know what the Packers are running on fourth and one. Yeah,
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Lafleur has to hurry everybody up. Let's throw them off
by going up tempo on fourth and one. It's the
ballgame on fourth and one, and even if you got
it, it would have been called back by a penalty. How
many penalties do the Packers get on fourth out, some
kind of motion, some kind of illegal formation, the fact
that they ran the same play that they had run
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all night on short yardage situations, to the point where
Josh Jacobs said, yeah, we heard you know a Jomo
yell it's an inside zone. It's an inside zone. Your
play is dead on arrival. At that point. You either
have to have another play to check down to, which
apparently they don't in that situation, or you call time out. Yeah,
you have two left. They're precious, but so is fourth
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and one in the final minute of a game. That's
where Lafleur, to me, needs to get evaluated sharply, because
it's not the first time we've seen him cave under
pressure situations like that. You just can't put your offense
in that kind of situation. It's it's to me, it's
it's indefensible to put that offense in that situation and
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not call time out. Well, you know, you don't have
things set Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's the decision making and the game management and just
the what feels like common sense in hindsight. Of course
easier to say that sitting where we're sitting, but just
some of the questionable. I mean you can think back
to the kicking of field goals and taking the ball
out of Rogers hands. I mean, there's all sorts of
decisions that you're like, what are you doing? Like that
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is so against the grain of what we expect from
a Packer team and from him. It's really fascinating how
quickly it's gone down, and you know, there's plenty of
time for recovery, but it's got to start happening fast.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah. I mean the twenty ten champs were six and six.
We can hold our hat on that. Like, hey, remember
back when we won the Super Bowl, we were six
and six, but that team caught fire. You know, thinking
back talking about Lafleur's decision making, you know, you can
take it back further to the decision to play Bull
Meltin at wide receiver. You know you're down a few guys.
You have like three receivers on your practice squad, guys
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that are practicing as receivers all week long, waiting for
their chance. Yet instead he takes the receiver turn corner
buw Melton and said, you give us more explosive, you're fast,
that we're gonna try you at receiver. And I credit
Melton because the guy's practicing as a cornerback all week
and maybe you know, a couple of plays during practice
he runs out as a receiver. So I give him
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credit for doing as asked and doing his best. But
he was responsible for two of the key reasons the
Green Bay offense didn't put more points on the board.
Right the fourth and nine, that the drop, uh was
you know, right in the chest, and that you know
that was an absolute killer, And and he lined up illegally,
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which you know, negated a big play to Christian Watson.
He had two drops on the night. Again, I don't
want to pound bow Melton because he's doing his best.
But my point is Lafleur put him in a tough situation.
And when you're down receivers, bring other guys up. You know,
don't ask a guy you're trying to turn into a
cornerback to be a receiver. Where was Malik Heath? You know,
why wasn't he I know he's not the speed guy,
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but he's reliable, he's got hands, he could maybe block
for you. Just decisions like that really frustrate me. And
if you listen to any of Lafleur in the game,
he really stood by the Running Game and said, yeah,
I didn't think the Running Game was terrible tonight. The
Running Game was terrible on Monday Night. Jacob's got twenty carries.
We're happy for him. I like it. He works hard,
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he's getting no protection, no blocking up front. Three point
five yards per carry. I understand it's a pretty good
defense you're playing. I understand that. And Jalen Phillips the
New Acquisition was an absolute monster and was probably the
best player on their defense on Monday Night. But the
running game, Matt Lafleur will die on that hill. You know,
That's how he was schooled. You run the football. Power
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running team opens everything else up. That's not what this
team can be the way this offensive line is currently playing,
and I don't think Lafleur either recognizes it or understands
what he has to do to change things.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, you could even go to the kicker situation of
weird decision making the past couple weeks of not I
mean a sixty four yarder, I mean, was there any
hope of that going in towards the end? I mean
that he doesn't have that type of leg, especially with
a hurt leg. Just but earlier, with like twelve or
so minutes left, they're on the fort, you would have
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been similar. They punt that away. So it's just if
you thought he could make it, then why did you
do it earlier? And if you it just doesn't make
any sense. There's so many weird Why would you do
that Zach Tom earlier in the year, Why would you
do that? Why would you put him out there and
gets re hurt? So it's just very very frustrating and disheartening,
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and I think it's time to reevaluate the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Unfortunately, Yeah, I mean lafleur Or McManus said after the game,
this is the first week his cat has felt good.
You know you're thinking, well, really, why were you playing
the last couple of weeks, Like there's another guy in
the roster. I'm sure a lot of Packer fans like me,
when they were looking to kick a sixty four yarder,
we're thinking, I'm sure rather see have her sick, give
it a shot. I've seen him make a sixty one yarder.
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But even that spot Brett like it's there's five seconds left,
And I know I'm not the only one thinking, well,
five seconds, you can actually run a quick out and
get five or six yards. Yet they trot out the
field goal team. Then they changed their mind and decide
to run a play, and the play is ridiculous, like
Love throws it eighty feet in the air out of bounds,
like completely panicked, not you know, not that anybody was open,
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but it was a complete waste of our time. And
now you trot out the field goal like didn't you
realize with five seconds you could run a play, and
just for a guy that's called plays as long as
he has all these years and been very good at it,
just I feel like he's off, like he's just not
he's panicking, he's just not trusting things. And you know
that does happen to coaches. And I'm not saying he
can't get through this. We might look back at a
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month on Thanksgiving and they route the lines and we're
feeling great. But it's hard to see from here to
there right now because it just doesn't feel like the
head coach has a finger on the pulse of that offense.
And I don't think the players, especially the ones up
front that are protecting everything, are up to the challenge.
It's it's going to be really interesting to see what
this offense can do from here, because you've got to
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get healthier and you know, hopefully Doves is not out
for long and hopefully Sean Ryan can step in at
center and maybe prove that he's the center of the future.
But man, on this Tuesday morning as we record this,
it's hard to see any bright lights at the end
of the tunnel for this offense to figure things out.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, and who knows, right, but it's just it's so disheartened.
What a disheartening. I mean if on the schedule when
you look at it when it comes out, you mark
that down as an L. But just the way that
it happened and the fashion, and I know we talk
about the roller coaster so much, but I mean you
saw in the first half a couple drives in they
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just cut to the floor, marking off as play sheet
frantically on the side, not even watching what the defense
is doing. Which that's fine, you're the offensive guy. But
it just felt like they had no game plan whatsoever.
And that's something that I've a praised the floor about,
is the ability to game plan and have you know,
the couple games from Malik Heath or not Malik Heath
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Milik Willis started, they had a great game plan and
they did it flawlessly. And I just I'm wondering where
that Matt with floor went and where that offense went.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, it's like he's coaching scared. It's like he doesn't
trust the old line, so he's not sure what to do.
It's remarkable when you look at the three losses the
Packers have this season, the defense has given up sixteen
points or less in all three losses. That's the most
games a defense has given up that few points and
lost the game for the Packers since nineteen seventy eight.
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And we are just halfway through the season. I don't
want to lose sight of the big picture. The defense
was phenomenal last night against the Philadelphia Eagles offense. And
again that's not a you know, greatest show on turf
Saint Louis Rams offense. The Eagles have been kind of
shuffling along, though they seem to have caught fire the
last couple of games before their bye week. But Jeff
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Hafley's defense, you know, obviously kept this team in the
game last night. You hold the Eagles scoreless through the
first half. Obviously it was a nothing, nothing game at halftime.
Very good on third down, you know, they gave up
the one you know past of Barkley that that's set
up the touchdown. But other than that, you know, Barkley
twenty two carries sixty yards. The Eagles were held to
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obviously ten points, two hundred and ninety four yards, just
thirteen first downs. Hats off to Jeff Hafley's defense. That
unit is humming. That's you know, again, after two weeks.
That's what we were looking at, like, that's gonna be
the identity of this team. This is a defensive team
now with Micah Parsons leading the show, that's gonna be
our identity. And then they kind of lost their way
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a little bit and you kind of wondered whether they're
not taking the ball away and they're giving up you know,
chunks of yards to guys and aren't that great? But
they have settled in and then that was, you know,
an outstanding performance and it's lost in a game where
your offense can't hold up its end of the bargain.
But you know, big picture again, at least you've got
a team whose defense is going to keep you in games.
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I mean, you need the offense obviously to put points
on the board, but I do like watching when a
defense is playing at that level. And I thought on
all three levels last night, the Packers defense was absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, one hundred percent. The It just they even got
the takeaway, which has been kind of, you know, not
as potent as it was last year. But I even thought,
to my head, that's a turning point here we go,
like that's going to spark them, and it just didn't.
It just feels like they can't sync up. Like when
the defense is playing really well, the offense sputters. When
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the offense is humming, the defense sputters. And the rare
times that they have synced up it looked unbelievable. See
Week one, Week two and against the Steelers. But when
they don't, it just it's maddening. And you know, conpimary
football is most overplayed cliche, but it's it's true and
when you don't have it, you know it. And unfortunately
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it doesn't matter how good they were, but they should
get the credit where credit is due because they were
really good. But it's it's even more frustrating how good
they were because you still don't come away with the w.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, you know, and apologists are going to say, well,
look what the Packers have to work with, right, all
those guys are out, You don't have four of your
top five pass catchers, you lost your center. What are
you supposed to do? Well, you're supposed to figure it
out because other teams lose players too, And yeah, it'd
be nice to have Read and Golden and Craft and
and all those guys out there, but you know, you
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have to figure out when times get hard, how to
make things work. And you know, I thought don Tavian
Wicks had a nice game. It was good to see
him back in the mix. But I just I think
there's a real failure by leadership to rally the troops,
you know, when the down some guys to figure out
a way to persevere. It's just not happening. And as
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we sit here on November eleventh, Green Bays now the
seventh seed in the NFC, an eighty one percent chance
to make the playoffs. And you know, you still, you know,
like your chances because there's a lot of talent on
this team. But as we've talked about all season, this
was the time to get out to that seven and
two start, This was the time to make Hay because yes,
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you go to New York next Sunday. Is it dangerous.
It's always dangerous with this team. But a team that
just fired its head coach, that team's sometimes going to
bump that first game after they fire the head coach.
They might be fired up. Packers might catch a break
with no Jackson, Dart might be Russell Wilson. But that
looks like the gimmey and that's not going to be
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a gimmy, because this team doesn't look like it's capable
of taking care of gimmey's. We thought the Panthers was
a gimmey, and we all know after next Sunday. Five
of the last seven are division games, with Denver and
Baltimore thrown in. I mean, there is not going to
be an easy game the rest of the way. So
you start looking at where this team might be. It's
hard to see them getting close to where they want
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to be after watching their performance the last two weeks
at Lambeau. It's just again, we've seen teams have funks
and get out of them. I wouldn't be as down
today if I just didn't look at that offensive line
and say, yeah, that's fixable. I mean, they'll get act
together because nothing works if the offensive line isn't playing well.
And Jordan Love is clearly affected by what he's seeing
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up front. His lack of confidence on Monday night was alarming.
It was stunning. We haven't seen him like that. He
has been a primetime monster for this team, and that
was the first time it looked like deer in headlights.
And again, I'm not blaming him totally because I don't
think he trusted what was in front. And certainly the
Eagles front is tough and they're very good, and they
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just loaded up on talent at the trade downline. They're
a very good defense. But in our house in primetime,
that's a spot where the Packers' offense needs to make
some plays. And man, it's it's hard to see that.
As I said, that bright light, I just don't know
where you go from here.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, I think a frustrating thing was when they started
batting down passes and it just felt like that rattle
Jordan a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, several times passes short, quick over the middle
just get batted down easily. And then the frustrating thing
too from a fan. And again I haven't watched the
all twenty time to break down, but it felt like
this is a feel, not real take. It felt like
a lot of soft zone against the Panthers, where we're
just gonna sit back, we'll let you think and dunk
and we're not going to really pressure you. And the
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Packers couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
This week.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It felt like a lot of pressures and man looks
and the Packers couldn't handle it. So it's like well,
what can you handle? Can we not adjust and move
things around based on what the defense? It just felt
like they were completely not expecting that, and it's so
weird to hear that. How difficult it is to like,
do we not have man beaters in the back pocket
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that we can start going to They started moving it,
I guess in the second half, but not really. So
that's my biggest frustration is it just feels like there's
no flexibility. If the game plan is right, it works
great and it looks amazing. If it's wrong, well we're wrong.
You know, we can't just change on the fly.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It's very frustrating, it is. It felt like a game
where Tucker Craft could have had a monster game because
there was stuff in the middle of the field open
and there's nobody there to really make those plays. And
you know, who do you trust as a pass catcher
with the healthy bodies? You know, last night down Christian Watson.
You know, Dobbs goes out with the chest and now
Bo Melton is your number three, you know with Wix
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and Watson are your guys, and and you know they
weren't able to separate make plays and obviously loved him
at the time to find him, and now you lose
outon Jenkins, who was not having a great year at center,
but you know was the you know Pro Bowl, you know,
stud veteran on that offensive line. Sounds like a fractured ankle,
frank a fractured something, and it sounds like, you know,
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his season likely done. You know, if he comes back,
it's going to be late. Sean Ryan will get an
audition at center, because I think it's safe to say
if Jenkins doesn't come back the season, he's done as
a Packer. He's not going to be back next season.
He is due twenty four point eight million next season,
counting over twenty million. They'll save twenty million on the
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cap if they release Elton Jenkins. I guarantee you they
will be doing that. He had a great career for
this team. You hate to lose a veteran offensive lineman,
especially when you're looking at that unit and going, oh
my goodness. But that's a big loss for this line
for the rest of the season because the depth you know,
now you know, somebody goes down now and now you've
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lost your depth. You had six or seven guys you
felt good about. Center was the one position when you
let Josh Meyers walk that didn't really have a legit
center on the roster. You figure out Elton Jenkins could
slide over, and he was figuring it out, but he
wasn't doing great at center, and you don't really have
a backup center. So Ryan is asked to take over,
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and he'll do all he can. But again, that's where
I'm just sort of I know I'm saying it over
and over again. I just I don't know where this
line gets better, how it improves. Aaron Banks just looks
like a complete free agent flop. If you watch highlights,
he gets beat every other play. I don't know what
Goody saw in him. And when he gets evaluated after
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the season, you know you're going to look at some
of these free agent decisions that do not look like
they were good ones at all. Again, I think Goody's safe,
but he whiffed on Aaron Banks, and I know he's
been banged up. But even when the signing was made,
people were raising their eyes, like seventy seven million for
an average guard. You know who who the Niners were
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happy to let walk through the door. What do you
see that we don't, Well, he's big and he's he
weighs over three hundred pounds. We need girth, we need
physicality in our offensive line. I like the idea, but
he has not been the guy. And I just think
that's where everything starts, is the problems of how they
identify their wanted their line to look and it just
hasn't worked out. And even Rashid Walker, who will likely
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be gone after this season, is struggling at left tackle.
It's for all the resources they put into the offensive line,
with early draft picks and free agency money, it's alarming
the state of that offensive line. As we said in
mid November.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well you talk about Goody too. With the sense of
urgency that we're supposed to see. Who was the best
player on the Eagles defense, a guy they picked up
at the deadline who was a monster, you know what
I mean, or one of the best players on defense.
That's how that works. You have a need, you go
out and get it. If you have a sense of urgency.
That's why they're defending Super Bowl champs, and we just don't.
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I mean, yeah, we did get Micah, which I'm internally
grateful for, but a sense of urgency doesn't stop because
what we already did one, We're done, you know what
I mean. It's that's what big teams do, and if
they have a need, they'll fill it and they'll worry
about it later. It just it feels like Green Bay
isn't willing to play ball in that way yet. Was
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that the reason they lost? Who knows, but it would
have helped if they could have swung an offensive lineman
or another tight end or a corner, any of these
things would help. And it just seems like they're just
kind of happy with where they're at.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So as we sit here at five three and one,
two straight losses at lambeau Field second half of the season, beckoning,
everything's still in front of them. As I said, eighty
one percent chance to reach the postseason. Take care of business,
figure things out. Where are you with Matt Lafleur as
we sit here today, knowing that you're allowed to change
your mind? What is your take on Lafleur as we
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sit here today.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
When you look at the body of work, it's hard
to argue with and he's only missed the playoff once
out of his I believe, seven or eight years. It's
hard to and the highs are just so high, and
they feel so good. It just feels like the lows
are coming in a little bit more frequently, and I
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just don't I like offensive coaches personally, I don't. I
hate having a defensive minded coach. I wouldn't want to
do that, So I don't know where they would go.
His seat's definitely getting warm. That's a fact for me.
I would probably get back to me at the end
of the year. But I'm not ready to defire him
and bring him, you know, an interim or let Halfley
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go wild for the rest of the season quite yet.
But a seat's undoubtedly hot for me, I'd probably let
it ride for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
One hundred percent. I'm not saying let's make a make
a move in this season in fire Lafleur, but I
do think the seat is more than warm. I do.
I think I think the seat is getting hot, and
I think this is going to be something we talk
about as the season goes on. I do think he
is coaching for his job. You've got a new boss
in charge, you have a roster that's still the youngest
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in football, but you know a front office that kind
of went all in by bringing in the game's premiere
or one of the game's premiere pass rushers. And then
the expectation is we're going to get after it this season,
and you know, obviously things happen, injuries are going to
change the perspective, but it's alarming to see the regression,
the decisions in game, the comments post game. I've never
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liked the way Matt Lafleur presents himself when he's talking
to the media. I know this is just my own thing.
He just doesn't sound like a head coach to me.
I know I've said that before. He sounds like a
nice coordinator. He just doesn't sound like a guy that's
gonna fire up a locker room. Even after games when
you're in the locker room and they've got the video
going to them talking to the team. It's cringey to
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me to hear him like he just sounds like a
guy that doesn't belong. You know, you hear other coaches
in locker rooms, and I'm not talking Dan Campbell obviously
because he's on the other end, but even like a
KOC or just a normal regular coaches just sound like coaches,
and Lafleur to me, it's almost like imposter syndrome, Like
do I really have this job? Am I really the
head coach? I know that's not fair. He's been so successful,
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He's reached the playoffs every season, blah blah blah. He
groomed love and turned him into a really good player.
But you know, seven eight years in, if you're still
competing for six seven spots in the playoffs and not
for championships. As Goody said before the season, it's time
to compete for championships, the spotlight go on you. And
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if I don't see things turn, if this becomes kind
of a lost season, I will probably be standing at
the front of the line saying, I'm willing to look
at another leader. Another answer, I don't care if it's
offense or defense. You find the right guy. You know,
if Halfley, if you decide you can't lose Halfley, you
make him the guy and you bring in a you know,
Brian Daball or whoever offensive minded head coach gets fired
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that you like Stefanski, whatever it might be, I'm willing
to listen. I Matt Lafleur is going to prove to
me that he can rally this team and uh and
get back to what we think this team can be.
At the team we saw after Week one or two,
the team that came back against Pittsburgh. They're going to
have lots of opportunities, you know, within the division. They're
going to play, you know, tough game in Denver. They're
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going to have Lamar Jackson in the house in December.
And if this team, you know, starts to figure things
out and pulls himself up, we'll have a different conversation.
But I'm putting him on the clock as a fan,
as an owner, I want to see how he responds
these next eight or nine weeks. And I don't think
that position leading this organization should be guaranteed if you
can't turn this thing around.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, just making the wild card, sneaking into the playoffs
and losing the first round isn't good enough. In Green Bay,
we're not okay with that. So yeah, that is worthy
of getting the seat warm Brian Dable doesn't really fill
me with excitement, but there could be someone out there potentially.
The good news is, at least for la Floor is
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the players always have the last word, the coaches always
have the last word, and you've got basically the whole
second half of the season to.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Prove your point.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And you know, we've seen really good The highs are
euphoric and really good under the floor, but the lows
have just been not only low, but just mesmerizingly frustrating
and puzzling lows. It's very you know, I keep saying
it's very frustrating, but it is. It's mind numbing, how
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just stunning it the mistakes and stupid things that this
team does, to not lining up correctly, to being predictable
on play calling, to just weird decision making. It's yeah,
I mean, it's definitely a problem.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
If it doesn't turn around, it probably will be on Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think what it comes down to for me is,
for the last twenty or thirty years, we've watched great
quarterback play, terrific offensive play, and always had defenses or
special teams that let you down. And now defense is
right where you want it to be. Special teams you
know it's not good, but you know it's not killing
you at the moment. But now it's the offense that's
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a complete mystery. And we're just so unaccustomed to see
a Packers offense lost offensively. I just I don't remember
the last time I felt that way. So we'll see
if Lafleur and his coaching staff and those players can
figure things out and turn this things around. It begins
up front. Get that line figured out and start calling
plays like your job's on the line, Lafleur, because if
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the defense what's coming on fourth and one, that's an
indictment on you and your offensive staff and it's embarrassing. Frankly,
all right, that's enough, let's look ahead. We'll be back
Sunday morning Packer Preview. Packer's looking to write the ship
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you wake up on the iHeart app and our Packer
Review podcast next Monday, hopefully, hopefully we will have the
higher spirits and see a performance worthy of this squad
after these two duds at lambeau Field. All right, Brett,
we'll see you this weekend. But sounds good to see then.
Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll talk to you next weekend.
This is Packer Review, a KFA in production. I'm Dave Sinekin,
joined by Brett Blake Moore as we try to make
sense of what we saw at lambeau Field on Monday night.
Packers fall to the Eagles ten to seven, dropping their
record to five three and one, and a masterful defensive
effort by the pack Jeff Hafley's unit was outstanding all night,
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holding the Philadelphia Eagles to less than three hundred yards
of offense. But it was an absolutely miserable performance by
a Packers offense, Brett Blake Moore that officially appears to
be broken just two weeks in change since they authored
a wonderful second half in Pittsburgh. This offensive game last
night was difficult to watch, to say the least.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, I love making excuses for this offense, especially the
you know, for instance, the Arizona game. Well, they only
had the ball three times in the first half. That's
on the defense, and it's hard to get in a rhythm.
I'm checking both my pockets, I'm checking the pants. You'll
check under the sink. I'm fresh out of excuses for
the offense. There really is an excuse. It was just
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dreadful from start to finish, Jordan Love look flustered like
someone we've never seen before, you know, are very rarely seen.
It's unexplainable, and now we're playing the blame game of
who broke it and who's going to pay for it?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, man, how do we fix it? Because that seems
to be the question DuJour. Happiest person in America on
Tuesday mornings, probably Jerry Jones, who's watching the Packers draft
position suddenly start to rock it up the charts, and
I'm not sure how far we are from bottom, but
it feels like we're not at bottom just yet. Back
to back home losses at Lambeau for the first time
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in the Matt Lafloor era, first time they've lost back
to back in consecutive weeks in like twelve years since
when Rogers broke his collarbone against the Perags. That's how
long it's been since we've seen back to back losses
at Lambeau in consecutive weeks. I don't even know where
to start. Well, obviously we're going to start with the
offense and the issues and the fact that this team
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managed a total of eighty three yards of offense in
the first half, zero for five on third down, twenty
yards net passing at halftime. Every drive seemed like a struggle.
And you know, to me, you know we can talk
about you know, look what's missing, right Look at there's
no Craft, there's no Golden, there's no Red Dobs went
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out in the first half of the chest injury. You're
down to bow Mountain, playing offense and making mistakes as
you would expect a running game that can't get get
on the tracked. The offensive line is abysmal and it's
not going to get better. Elton Jenkins now probably lost
for the season, his packer career likely over. We'll talk
more about that. Aaron Banks has been an unmitigated disaster
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at left guard. You can watch highlights and plays where
he just gets smoked last night. The offensive line has
regressed big time. And I just if you don't have
confidence in your line, and clearly Jordan Love doesn't, because
you could just see how the happy feet flustered, how
he's speeding up everything because he just doesn't trust the protection,
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mostly up up the middle, and unfortunately I don't I
don't know how you fix that on the fly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the run blocking was not there,
the pass blocking was not there. He just seemed just
so not like himself. We're so used to seeing Jordan
being calm, cool and collected. And every time the defense
got to stop, I kept telling myself, all right, here
we go, here's the big opportunity, this is where they
turn on. It just never happened. It never looked like
it was going to happen. And just from play calling
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to love being weird. I mean his QBR I have
it pulled up. His QBR is insanely low for him.
It's a thirty eight point eight. I mean that's inexcusable. So,
especially at home, it's it's just very frustrating.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean the elephant in the room is I
can't believe I'm saying this on November eleventh, but it's
Matt Lafleur's job security, which came up in the press
conference after the game. He was asked, you know, do
you think you're coaching for your's job the rest of
the year, and he gave the cliched answer that you're
always coaching for your job. You know, that's what you
always have to say when you're asked that question. The
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fact that that question came up here in week what ten?
When again, a couple of weeks ago, you're celebrating a
come from behind winning Pittsburgh, you're five to one and one,
you're atop the NFC. Two weeks later, you're being asked
about your job security. I mean, life comes at you
fast as an NFL head coach. And this will be
a talker Brett, because we all know when Ed Policy
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took over for Murphy, he chose not to extend Goody
and Lafleur, as the Packers have always done, never extended
coaches early. They always wait, in this case till heading
into the last season. Policy said he doesn't want a
lame duck situation, So you figure he's going to address
everything after the season. Here we are, and you know,
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both of those guys are gonna be evaluated when the
season is over, and I don't think it's a sure
thing that both are back. I think it's certainly more
likely that Gouda Kun sticks around. Here's your new GM.
You don't have a first round pick for a couple
of years. Have fun. But I don't think it's out
of the realm of possibility that Matt Lafleuur is coaching
for his job. The offense is regressing and not functioning well.
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When you've got fourth and one in the final minute
and change of a game, in a one possession game
on your home field, and you can't line up correctly,
you rush the play. You run the same play you've
run three times already, to the point where Eagles defenders
are yelling inside zone. It's an inside it, like they
know what the Packers are running on fourth and one. Yeah,
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Lafleur has to hurry everybody up. Let's throw them off
by going up tempo on fourth and one. It's the
ballgame on fourth and one, and even if you got
it, it would have been called back by a penalty. How
many penalties do the Packers get on fourth out, some
kind of motion, some kind of illegal formation, the fact
that they ran the same play that they had run
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all night on short yardage situations, to the point where
Josh Jacobs said, yeah, we heard you know a Jomo
yell it's an inside zone. It's an inside zone. Your
play is dead on arrival. At that point. You either
have to have another play to check down to, which
apparently they don't in that situation, or you call time out. Yeah,
you have two left. They're precious, but so is fourth
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and one in the final minute of a game. That's
where Lafleur, to me, needs to get evaluated sharply, because
it's not the first time we've seen him cave under
pressure situations like that. You just can't put your offense
in that kind of situation. It's it's to me, it's
it's indefensible to put that offense in that situation and
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not call time out. Well, you know, you don't have
things set Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's the decision making and the game management and just
the what feels like common sense in hindsight. Of course
easier to say that sitting where we're sitting, but just
some of the questionable. I mean you can think back
to the kicking of field goals and taking the ball
out of Rogers hands. I mean, there's all sorts of
decisions that you're like, what are you doing? Like that
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is so against the grain of what we expect from
a Packer team and from him. It's really fascinating how
quickly it's gone down, and you know, there's plenty of
time for recovery, but it's got to start happening fast.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah. I mean the twenty ten champs were six and six.
We can hold our hat on that. Like, hey, remember
back when we won the Super Bowl, we were six
and six, but that team caught fire. You know, thinking
back talking about Lafleur's decision making, you know, you can
take it back further to the decision to play Bull
Meltin at wide receiver. You know you're down a few guys.
You have like three receivers on your practice squad, guys
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that are practicing as receivers all week long, waiting for
their chance. Yet instead he takes the receiver turn corner
buw Melton and said, you give us more explosive, you're fast,
that we're gonna try you at receiver. And I credit
Melton because the guy's practicing as a cornerback all week
and maybe you know, a couple of plays during practice
he runs out as a receiver. So I give him
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credit for doing as asked and doing his best. But
he was responsible for two of the key reasons the
Green Bay offense didn't put more points on the board.
Right the fourth and nine, that the drop, uh was
you know, right in the chest, and that you know
that was an absolute killer, And and he lined up illegally,
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which you know, negated a big play to Christian Watson.
He had two drops on the night. Again, I don't
want to pound bow Melton because he's doing his best.
But my point is Lafleur put him in a tough situation.
And when you're down receivers, bring other guys up. You know,
don't ask a guy you're trying to turn into a
cornerback to be a receiver. Where was Malik Heath? You know,
why wasn't he I know he's not the speed guy,
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but he's reliable, he's got hands, he could maybe block
for you. Just decisions like that really frustrate me. And
if you listen to any of Lafleur in the game,
he really stood by the Running Game and said, yeah,
I didn't think the Running Game was terrible tonight. The
Running Game was terrible on Monday Night. Jacob's got twenty carries.
We're happy for him. I like it. He works hard,
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he's getting no protection, no blocking up front. Three point
five yards per carry. I understand it's a pretty good
defense you're playing. I understand that. And Jalen Phillips the
New Acquisition was an absolute monster and was probably the
best player on their defense on Monday Night. But the
running game, Matt Lafleur will die on that hill. You know,
That's how he was schooled. You run the football. Power
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running team opens everything else up. That's not what this
team can be the way this offensive line is currently playing,
and I don't think Lafleur either recognizes it or understands
what he has to do to change things.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, you could even go to the kicker situation of
weird decision making the past couple weeks of not I
mean a sixty four yarder, I mean, was there any
hope of that going in towards the end? I mean
that he doesn't have that type of leg, especially with
a hurt leg. Just but earlier, with like twelve or
so minutes left, they're on the fort, you would have
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been similar. They punt that away. So it's just if
you thought he could make it, then why did you
do it earlier? And if you it just doesn't make
any sense. There's so many weird Why would you do
that Zach Tom earlier in the year, Why would you
do that? Why would you put him out there and
gets re hurt? So it's just very very frustrating and disheartening,
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and I think it's time to reevaluate the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Unfortunately, Yeah, I mean lafleur Or McManus said after the game,
this is the first week his cat has felt good.
You know you're thinking, well, really, why were you playing
the last couple of weeks, Like there's another guy in
the roster. I'm sure a lot of Packer fans like me,
when they were looking to kick a sixty four yarder,
we're thinking, I'm sure rather see have her sick, give
it a shot. I've seen him make a sixty one yarder.
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But even that spot Brett like it's there's five seconds left,
And I know I'm not the only one thinking, well,
five seconds, you can actually run a quick out and
get five or six yards. Yet they trot out the
field goal team. Then they changed their mind and decide
to run a play, and the play is ridiculous, like
Love throws it eighty feet in the air out of bounds,
like completely panicked, not you know, not that anybody was open,
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but it was a complete waste of our time. And
now you trot out the field goal like didn't you
realize with five seconds you could run a play, and
just for a guy that's called plays as long as
he has all these years and been very good at it,
just I feel like he's off, like he's just not
he's panicking, he's just not trusting things. And you know
that does happen to coaches. And I'm not saying he
can't get through this. We might look back at a
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month on Thanksgiving and they route the lines and we're
feeling great. But it's hard to see from here to
there right now because it just doesn't feel like the
head coach has a finger on the pulse of that offense.
And I don't think the players, especially the ones up
front that are protecting everything, are up to the challenge.
It's it's going to be really interesting to see what
this offense can do from here, because you've got to
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get healthier and you know, hopefully Doves is not out
for long and hopefully Sean Ryan can step in at
center and maybe prove that he's the center of the future.
But man, on this Tuesday morning as we record this,
it's hard to see any bright lights at the end
of the tunnel for this offense to figure things out.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, and who knows, right, but it's just it's so disheartened.
What a disheartening. I mean if on the schedule when
you look at it when it comes out, you mark
that down as an L. But just the way that
it happened and the fashion, and I know we talk
about the roller coaster so much, but I mean you
saw in the first half a couple drives in they
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just cut to the floor, marking off as play sheet
frantically on the side, not even watching what the defense
is doing. Which that's fine, you're the offensive guy. But
it just felt like they had no game plan whatsoever.
And that's something that I've a praised the floor about,
is the ability to game plan and have you know,
the couple games from Malik Heath or not Malik Heath
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Milik Willis started, they had a great game plan and
they did it flawlessly. And I just I'm wondering where
that Matt with floor went and where that offense went.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, it's like he's coaching scared. It's like he doesn't
trust the old line, so he's not sure what to do.
It's remarkable when you look at the three losses the
Packers have this season, the defense has given up sixteen
points or less in all three losses. That's the most
games a defense has given up that few points and
lost the game for the Packers since nineteen seventy eight.
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And we are just halfway through the season. I don't
want to lose sight of the big picture. The defense
was phenomenal last night against the Philadelphia Eagles offense. And
again that's not a you know, greatest show on turf
Saint Louis Rams offense. The Eagles have been kind of
shuffling along, though they seem to have caught fire the
last couple of games before their bye week. But Jeff
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Hafley's defense, you know, obviously kept this team in the
game last night. You hold the Eagles scoreless through the
first half. Obviously it was a nothing, nothing game at halftime.
Very good on third down, you know, they gave up
the one you know past of Barkley that that's set
up the touchdown. But other than that, you know, Barkley
twenty two carries sixty yards. The Eagles were held to
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obviously ten points, two hundred and ninety four yards, just
thirteen first downs. Hats off to Jeff Hafley's defense. That
unit is humming. That's you know, again, after two weeks.
That's what we were looking at, like, that's gonna be
the identity of this team. This is a defensive team
now with Micah Parsons leading the show, that's gonna be
our identity. And then they kind of lost their way
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a little bit and you kind of wondered whether they're
not taking the ball away and they're giving up you know,
chunks of yards to guys and aren't that great? But
they have settled in and then that was, you know,
an outstanding performance and it's lost in a game where
your offense can't hold up its end of the bargain.
But you know, big picture again, at least you've got
a team whose defense is going to keep you in games.
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I mean, you need the offense obviously to put points
on the board, but I do like watching when a
defense is playing at that level. And I thought on
all three levels last night, the Packers defense was absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, one hundred percent. The It just they even got
the takeaway, which has been kind of, you know, not
as potent as it was last year. But I even thought,
to my head, that's a turning point here we go,
like that's going to spark them, and it just didn't.
It just feels like they can't sync up. Like when
the defense is playing really well, the offense sputters. When
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the offense is humming, the defense sputters. And the rare
times that they have synced up it looked unbelievable. See
Week one, Week two and against the Steelers. But when
they don't, it just it's maddening. And you know, conpimary
football is most overplayed cliche, but it's it's true and
when you don't have it, you know it. And unfortunately
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it doesn't matter how good they were, but they should
get the credit where credit is due because they were
really good. But it's it's even more frustrating how good
they were because you still don't come away with the w.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, you know, and apologists are going to say, well,
look what the Packers have to work with, right, all
those guys are out, You don't have four of your
top five pass catchers, you lost your center. What are
you supposed to do? Well, you're supposed to figure it
out because other teams lose players too, And yeah, it'd
be nice to have Read and Golden and Craft and
and all those guys out there, but you know, you
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have to figure out when times get hard, how to
make things work. And you know, I thought don Tavian
Wicks had a nice game. It was good to see
him back in the mix. But I just I think
there's a real failure by leadership to rally the troops,
you know, when the down some guys to figure out
a way to persevere. It's just not happening. And as
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we sit here on November eleventh, Green Bays now the
seventh seed in the NFC, an eighty one percent chance
to make the playoffs. And you know, you still, you know,
like your chances because there's a lot of talent on
this team. But as we've talked about all season, this
was the time to get out to that seven and
two start, This was the time to make Hay because yes,
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you go to New York next Sunday. Is it dangerous.
It's always dangerous with this team. But a team that
just fired its head coach, that team's sometimes going to
bump that first game after they fire the head coach.
They might be fired up. Packers might catch a break
with no Jackson, Dart might be Russell Wilson. But that
looks like the gimmey and that's not going to be
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a gimmy, because this team doesn't look like it's capable
of taking care of gimmey's. We thought the Panthers was
a gimmey, and we all know after next Sunday. Five
of the last seven are division games, with Denver and
Baltimore thrown in. I mean, there is not going to
be an easy game the rest of the way. So
you start looking at where this team might be. It's
hard to see them getting close to where they want
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to be after watching their performance the last two weeks
at Lambeau. It's just again, we've seen teams have funks
and get out of them. I wouldn't be as down
today if I just didn't look at that offensive line
and say, yeah, that's fixable. I mean, they'll get act
together because nothing works if the offensive line isn't playing well.
And Jordan Love is clearly affected by what he's seeing
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up front. His lack of confidence on Monday night was alarming.
It was stunning. We haven't seen him like that. He
has been a primetime monster for this team, and that
was the first time it looked like deer in headlights.
And again, I'm not blaming him totally because I don't
think he trusted what was in front. And certainly the
Eagles front is tough and they're very good, and they
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just loaded up on talent at the trade downline. They're
a very good defense. But in our house in primetime,
that's a spot where the Packers' offense needs to make
some plays. And man, it's it's hard to see that.
As I said, that bright light, I just don't know
where you go from here.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, I think a frustrating thing was when they started
batting down passes and it just felt like that rattle
Jordan a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, several times passes short, quick over the middle
just get batted down easily. And then the frustrating thing
too from a fan. And again I haven't watched the
all twenty time to break down, but it felt like
this is a feel, not real take. It felt like
a lot of soft zone against the Panthers, where we're
just gonna sit back, we'll let you think and dunk
and we're not going to really pressure you. And the
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Packers couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
This week.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It felt like a lot of pressures and man looks
and the Packers couldn't handle it. So it's like well,
what can you handle? Can we not adjust and move
things around based on what the defense? It just felt
like they were completely not expecting that, and it's so
weird to hear that. How difficult it is to like,
do we not have man beaters in the back pocket
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that we can start going to They started moving it,
I guess in the second half, but not really. So
that's my biggest frustration is it just feels like there's
no flexibility. If the game plan is right, it works
great and it looks amazing. If it's wrong, well we're wrong.
You know, we can't just change on the fly.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It's very frustrating, it is. It felt like a game
where Tucker Craft could have had a monster game because
there was stuff in the middle of the field open
and there's nobody there to really make those plays. And
you know, who do you trust as a pass catcher
with the healthy bodies? You know, last night down Christian Watson.
You know, Dobbs goes out with the chest and now
Bo Melton is your number three, you know with Wix
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and Watson are your guys, and and you know they
weren't able to separate make plays and obviously loved him
at the time to find him, and now you lose
outon Jenkins, who was not having a great year at center,
but you know was the you know Pro Bowl, you know,
stud veteran on that offensive line. Sounds like a fractured ankle,
frank a fractured something, and it sounds like, you know,
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his season likely done. You know, if he comes back,
it's going to be late. Sean Ryan will get an
audition at center, because I think it's safe to say
if Jenkins doesn't come back the season, he's done as
a Packer. He's not going to be back next season.
He is due twenty four point eight million next season,
counting over twenty million. They'll save twenty million on the
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cap if they release Elton Jenkins. I guarantee you they
will be doing that. He had a great career for
this team. You hate to lose a veteran offensive lineman,
especially when you're looking at that unit and going, oh
my goodness. But that's a big loss for this line
for the rest of the season because the depth you know,
now you know, somebody goes down now and now you've
(21:23):
lost your depth. You had six or seven guys you
felt good about. Center was the one position when you
let Josh Meyers walk that didn't really have a legit
center on the roster. You figure out Elton Jenkins could
slide over, and he was figuring it out, but he
wasn't doing great at center, and you don't really have
a backup center. So Ryan is asked to take over,
(21:44):
and he'll do all he can. But again, that's where
I'm just sort of I know I'm saying it over
and over again. I just I don't know where this
line gets better, how it improves. Aaron Banks just looks
like a complete free agent flop. If you watch highlights,
he gets beat every other play. I don't know what
Goody saw in him. And when he gets evaluated after
(22:06):
the season, you know you're going to look at some
of these free agent decisions that do not look like
they were good ones at all. Again, I think Goody's safe,
but he whiffed on Aaron Banks, and I know he's
been banged up. But even when the signing was made,
people were raising their eyes, like seventy seven million for
an average guard. You know who who the Niners were
(22:27):
happy to let walk through the door. What do you
see that we don't, Well, he's big and he's he
weighs over three hundred pounds. We need girth, we need
physicality in our offensive line. I like the idea, but
he has not been the guy. And I just think
that's where everything starts, is the problems of how they
identify their wanted their line to look and it just
hasn't worked out. And even Rashid Walker, who will likely
(22:48):
be gone after this season, is struggling at left tackle.
It's for all the resources they put into the offensive line,
with early draft picks and free agency money, it's alarming
the state of that offensive line. As we said in
mid November.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well you talk about Goody too. With the sense of
urgency that we're supposed to see. Who was the best
player on the Eagles defense, a guy they picked up
at the deadline who was a monster, you know what
I mean, or one of the best players on defense.
That's how that works. You have a need, you go
out and get it. If you have a sense of urgency.
That's why they're defending Super Bowl champs, and we just don't.
(23:23):
I mean, yeah, we did get Micah, which I'm internally
grateful for, but a sense of urgency doesn't stop because
what we already did one, We're done, you know what
I mean. It's that's what big teams do, and if
they have a need, they'll fill it and they'll worry
about it later. It just it feels like Green Bay
isn't willing to play ball in that way yet. Was
(23:45):
that the reason they lost? Who knows, but it would
have helped if they could have swung an offensive lineman
or another tight end or a corner, any of these
things would help. And it just seems like they're just
kind of happy with where they're at.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So as we sit here at five three and one,
two straight losses at lambeau Field second half of the season, beckoning,
everything's still in front of them. As I said, eighty
one percent chance to reach the postseason. Take care of business,
figure things out. Where are you with Matt Lafleur as
we sit here today, knowing that you're allowed to change
your mind? What is your take on Lafleur as we
(24:21):
sit here today.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
When you look at the body of work, it's hard
to argue with and he's only missed the playoff once
out of his I believe, seven or eight years. It's
hard to and the highs are just so high, and
they feel so good. It just feels like the lows
are coming in a little bit more frequently, and I
(24:43):
just don't I like offensive coaches personally, I don't. I
hate having a defensive minded coach. I wouldn't want to
do that, So I don't know where they would go.
His seat's definitely getting warm. That's a fact for me.
I would probably get back to me at the end
of the year. But I'm not ready to defire him
and bring him, you know, an interim or let Halfley
(25:05):
go wild for the rest of the season quite yet.
But a seat's undoubtedly hot for me, I'd probably let
it ride for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
One hundred percent. I'm not saying let's make a make
a move in this season in fire Lafleur, but I
do think the seat is more than warm. I do.
I think I think the seat is getting hot, and
I think this is going to be something we talk
about as the season goes on. I do think he
is coaching for his job. You've got a new boss
in charge, you have a roster that's still the youngest
(25:32):
in football, but you know a front office that kind
of went all in by bringing in the game's premiere
or one of the game's premiere pass rushers. And then
the expectation is we're going to get after it this season,
and you know, obviously things happen, injuries are going to
change the perspective, but it's alarming to see the regression,
the decisions in game, the comments post game. I've never
(25:57):
liked the way Matt Lafleur presents himself when he's talking
to the media. I know this is just my own thing.
He just doesn't sound like a head coach to me.
I know I've said that before. He sounds like a
nice coordinator. He just doesn't sound like a guy that's
gonna fire up a locker room. Even after games when
you're in the locker room and they've got the video
going to them talking to the team. It's cringey to
(26:18):
me to hear him like he just sounds like a
guy that doesn't belong. You know, you hear other coaches
in locker rooms, and I'm not talking Dan Campbell obviously
because he's on the other end, but even like a
KOC or just a normal regular coaches just sound like coaches,
and Lafleur to me, it's almost like imposter syndrome, Like
do I really have this job? Am I really the
head coach? I know that's not fair. He's been so successful,
(26:40):
He's reached the playoffs every season, blah blah blah. He
groomed love and turned him into a really good player.
But you know, seven eight years in, if you're still
competing for six seven spots in the playoffs and not
for championships. As Goody said before the season, it's time
to compete for championships, the spotlight go on you. And
(27:01):
if I don't see things turn, if this becomes kind
of a lost season, I will probably be standing at
the front of the line saying, I'm willing to look
at another leader. Another answer, I don't care if it's
offense or defense. You find the right guy. You know,
if Halfley, if you decide you can't lose Halfley, you
make him the guy and you bring in a you know,
Brian Daball or whoever offensive minded head coach gets fired
(27:23):
that you like Stefanski, whatever it might be, I'm willing
to listen. I Matt Lafleur is going to prove to
me that he can rally this team and uh and
get back to what we think this team can be.
At the team we saw after Week one or two,
the team that came back against Pittsburgh. They're going to
have lots of opportunities, you know, within the division. They're
going to play, you know, tough game in Denver. They're
(27:44):
going to have Lamar Jackson in the house in December.
And if this team, you know, starts to figure things
out and pulls himself up, we'll have a different conversation.
But I'm putting him on the clock as a fan,
as an owner, I want to see how he responds
these next eight or nine weeks. And I don't think
that position leading this organization should be guaranteed if you
can't turn this thing around.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, just making the wild card, sneaking into the playoffs
and losing the first round isn't good enough. In Green Bay,
we're not okay with that. So yeah, that is worthy
of getting the seat warm Brian Dable doesn't really fill
me with excitement, but there could be someone out there potentially.
The good news is, at least for la Floor is
(28:26):
the players always have the last word, the coaches always
have the last word, and you've got basically the whole
second half of the season to.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Prove your point.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And you know, we've seen really good The highs are
euphoric and really good under the floor, but the lows
have just been not only low, but just mesmerizingly frustrating
and puzzling lows. It's very you know, I keep saying
it's very frustrating, but it is. It's mind numbing, how
(28:58):
just stunning it the mistakes and stupid things that this
team does, to not lining up correctly, to being predictable
on play calling, to just weird decision making. It's yeah,
I mean, it's definitely a problem.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
If it doesn't turn around, it probably will be on Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think what it comes down to for me is,
for the last twenty or thirty years, we've watched great
quarterback play, terrific offensive play, and always had defenses or
special teams that let you down. And now defense is
right where you want it to be. Special teams you
know it's not good, but you know it's not killing
you at the moment. But now it's the offense that's
(29:36):
a complete mystery. And we're just so unaccustomed to see
a Packers offense lost offensively. I just I don't remember
the last time I felt that way. So we'll see
if Lafleur and his coaching staff and those players can
figure things out and turn this things around. It begins
up front. Get that line figured out and start calling
plays like your job's on the line, Lafleur, because if
(29:59):
the defense what's coming on fourth and one, that's an
indictment on you and your offensive staff and it's embarrassing. Frankly,
all right, that's enough, let's look ahead. We'll be back
Sunday morning Packer Preview. Packer's looking to write the ship
at the New York Giants Bett Life Stadium. We will
preview that on the fan seven am Live or whenever
(30:20):
you wake up on the iHeart app and our Packer
Review podcast next Monday, hopefully, hopefully we will have the
higher spirits and see a performance worthy of this squad
after these two duds at lambeau Field. All right, Brett,
we'll see you this weekend. But sounds good to see then.
Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll talk to you next weekend.
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