Vikings Fanline: Vikings vs Packers 11-23-25

Eric Nordquist and Ron Johnson take your calls, texts, and talkbacks following the Vikings 23-6 loss to the Packers.

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Now it's your turn. Vikings fan Line starts now.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Gears kf Hans, Ron Johnson and Eric George Quist.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, despite drinking water, I mean choking to death on
water feels almost as entertaining and his delightful experience as
what we saw in the border battle today, I'm NORDO
from nine to noon. Ron Johnson joining me shortly the
head coach. Before we try to explain what happened in
today's loss, maybe the head coach can offer us some
words of wisdom.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Just what are we doing as coaches?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
What are we doing, you know, to emphasize how to
play smart football, you know as the starting point, and
you know on that play, I know what Miles is
trying to do. He's trying to fair catch. And then
you know, see if he can get a piece of
the gunner to to try to help the ball have
time to get in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
But first and foremost, you know, we've got to be
able to make the.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Initial play, which was the decision not to catch that ball,
and then we've got to get all Minnesota vikings away
from it.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
And if they end up downing it, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Like we were able to do a couple of times
with Ryan having a great day punching the ball to
try to help with the field position.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
But if we if they end up downing it down in.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Their tight then it's on the offense to try to
sustain a drive and at least flip the field field
position wise.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
But yeah, we've got to get some of those things handled.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
You think JJ is just in terms of handling this
because in a couple of weeks that really seemed like
a snowball.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Do Yeah, I think, first of all, yeah, the formula
cannot be to you know, end up being down double
digits in the in the second half and at least
you know, knowing where you know, it kind of takes
you out of the game that you want to play
when you're in coming into halftime. Ten to six, you know,

(02:10):
thinking a defensive stop and then you know, having a
chance to go possibly take the lead there in the
third quarter, and then the game can kind of stay
where where you want it, whether where we're really close
in the first half time of possession, we're really close,
you know, yards and able to kind of every single
one of those positive run plays should hopefully be setting

(02:32):
up either another positive run or some plays off of it.
And we just can't quite get to that point without
having some you know, some things happening around JJ or
you know, some variants to having a young quarterback in
there where and when you're playing a good defense and
and just understanding timing of pockets and things like that,
getting the ball out, the power of completions where it's

(02:54):
still definitely a work in progress for sure, but I
still believe, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
He's he's absolutely under control.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
From a play call standpoint, There's little things, you know
that happened, like a quarterback get tripped up, you know,
on a play pass where where you might have a
look at something, or you know, just maybe the dialogue
and the huddle making sure all eleven are on the
same pace. There's little things that come up here and
there that just continue to limit your chances of having
ultimate success enough against a good defense to go put

(03:23):
points on the board. But it is one of those
things where I do believe wholeheartedly that, you know, it
takes a driver to of confidence building to to truly
cement kind of what we want to be as an
offense and moving the boat.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Running the ball is great.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
And got a play pass to justin early and ended
up kind of stalling out from there where you know,
we call, you know, call a pass on first and
ten and then kind of a run play on second
down with the chance to.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
You know, throw that run solution and it's not really
the look to do that.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
And early in the game, young quarterback maybe wants to
try to get an easy completion and we throw that ball.
And it's just little things like that where you know,
I got to do a better job kind of limitating
eliminating some of those things that you know maybe can
can be left for chance. I appreciate it's not just
the quarterback obviously, it's yeah, whole team.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
But can you can you win what he's doing right now?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I think you can.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I do believe that, but it does require, you know,
as a football team not doing things that that that
loses games and special teams turnover I believe in you know,
two out of our last three games.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
And then ultimately, you know, the.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Defense is out there battling, they're they're they're trying to get.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
The ball back for us as much as we can.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
But then there's you know, some things where you can't
have breakdowns around that player just consistently sustained. So as
of as some of those things happen or you start
stacking negatives, that becomes incredibly difficult for any quarterback never mind, uh,
you know, a guy just still in a single digit
world of career starts and and all that. So we

(05:00):
got to keep putting together plans that give us a
chance to express what we want to be as an
offense with some really some talented players in that huddle,
while also giving him a chance to grow, but but
not you know, putting the game totally in his hands,
where you know, the variants of a young quarterback will
cost our whole team. And I think there's a there's
a needle to thread there, and uh, we got to

(05:22):
just keep on building the foundation of playing the position.
But also all eleven guys in that huddle are doing
their jobs and and then special teams has got to
play the phase where I thought will unbelievable with those
two field goals, and those are the types of plays
where you know, drives where if you get points there,
you got to you're staying in the football game, staying

(05:42):
in real football without having to go all pass, likely
against a team with that kind.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Of front surprise.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
It just the amount of the pressure they generate enough front.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, you know, we we we had a pretty good
plan even you know, I know JJ's first interception. You know,
there's there's two tight ends, you know, helping on the edges,
and I gotta go back and look at it, but
didn't particularly feel like we were, like, you know, that
was I believe one of the the first few attempts
for you know, with with Justin stepping in there for
CB at left tackle, and we're trying to help as

(06:11):
much as we can on the edge. But I gotta
the general the general feel sometimes is are we using
that help? Are we you know fundamentally jumping on you know,
right off that and jumping on that player right off
those those bumps and those protections because outside of you know,
calling calling plays where you're doing that, you're essentially when
you're down points, you're you know, there's that that that

(06:32):
call sheet can shrink in a hurry, and we've experienced
it at times this year with guys having to step in,
you know, either early in games or in the second
half of games. And we didn't handle it well today whatsoever.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
Brian O'Neill fucking locker and got a need for emergency
and the guys just understanding of their job is on
every single play. As you think about urgency for these players,
where where does that express itself to.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
You in the game of to see it?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, I think it's a mix, right. I think we've
seen examples of guys pressing. Maybe they try to make
to play here and there, second and long and we're
just trying to put the ball and play and we
get a drop on a second and long play that creates,
you know where where hey, maybe you have a chance
to make that third manageable right there, and it's a
guy trying to catch the ball and make a play
and see if he can get more and more. And

(07:16):
that's where you feel pressing at times. But then there's
other times where it's got to be technique. It's got
to be strained, it's got to be fundamentals, and the
eleven guys in the huddle doing their jobs. You know,
no errors, No, you know, we don't really don't. You
don't get chances for doovers. So when those things turn
into negatives, especially when your team needs to kind of
sustain a drive, maybe we pick up the special teams

(07:39):
after that turnover. I know the defense is going out
on that field wanting to pick up everybody and say, hey,
we're gonna hold him out right here, and they punch
it in.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Big deal.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Let's go take the ball and let's put a drive
together and go get right back to where we want
to be in this game, and just keep applying pressure
to the opponent. But we can't allow that that feeling
to allow the execution and the detail on some of
those things to slip.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
And that's not.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Really referencing the quarterback in any way, shape or form.
But he's still an experienced guy that's building it up
as he goes. And there's just too much bad football today,
specifically in the second half, really second half only that
just didn't give us a chance whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Done.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Hey, that's head coach Kevin O'Connell addressing the media from
lambeau Field. We'll let you know potentially if Ben Lieber
has any other pending chats with any members of the
Vikings down in the locker room following the twenty three
to six loss. Welcome to Vikings fan Line and Ernest
Nordo from nine to noon. Ron Johnson is here with
me as the Vikings just were never really competitive in

(08:43):
the border battle this afternoon, or I should say, I mean,
you get ten six at half, you're kind of feeling good,
you force the punt, and then Miles Price and the
rest is history from there, which is why we're here.
We're going to dig into this, whether it's the phone
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(09:03):
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Johnson's analysis, let's get to let's get to the phone calls.
Justin and Iowa Justin. Welcome to Vikings fan Line.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
Yeah, hey guys, so actually you guys really just touched
on it. I really want to talk about Miles Price
in the last few weeks. How he's really been on
the decline please, just's been messing up and casting the
vikings big points. Yeah, we gave up that best down,
you know, inside the ten yard line today, but I
mean he's been doing it the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Absolutely, I appreciate the call. Let's let's start there. Ron
lots to dig into. Lots of bad things took place
today in Green Bay. And that's not just the fans
near the Fleet Farm entrance at lambeau Field. I'm talking
about the actual gameplay. My goodness, what a freaking disaster.
You're looking for a momentum into the second half, you

(10:00):
force the punt. I think it was five or six
plays in punt. Maybe they got the first down there
and there may have even been a big sack or
something in that spot. Yep, What on earth is Miles
Price doing as he gives up on it, maybe even
trying to make the extra play of that block, zero
awareness whatsoever. We're talking two or three fumbles for Miles
this year now, A couple of turnovers he's directly responsible for.

(10:23):
That was almost kind of the my goodness, this might
be over instance.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah, No, that's not his fault, it's not so in
that scope of that play, he's not calling for a
fair catch. So he's trying to make the gunner come
to him so that the ball can go into the
end zone. The minute it bounces back, the guys that
can see it, because he's engaged in a block at
that point, he doesn't know it bounced.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Somebody has to.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yell Peter, Peter, poison, poison, whatever their call is to everybody.
Scatter if it's just scatter, scatters like whatever, because the gunners,
the runners still coming down the field can see that.
He can't see that. His job is to block the
gunner to stop him from getting to the end zone.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's just a bad bounce. That thing bounce right back.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
But the fact that he's still blocking and nobody's yelling
that it bounced and it did not go through the
end zone, that's a that's the other guys around him
in that moment. Now, yes, he's fumbled some balls, he's
also made some big plays as well in the punt
return game, and we were all over him like, man,
this kid is great. Can we get him on offense?
Blah blah. So you got to take the good with
the bad. Like the fumbles are going to happen. The

(11:27):
big plays don't happen a lot, and he makes them.
But that play is not his fault. That's the guys
around him that can see the ball and not go
through the end zone. And everybody nonchalantly is still just
jogging down the field.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
He has no clue where the ball is.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
He's blocking the gunner to stop him from downing the
ball at the one or the two.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
That's what he's supposed to do as a part return.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
If you don't, if you don't wave your hand and capitate, yeah,
that's his head.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's the play. If I want the gunner to not
down the ball as.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
A punt return, I'm going to look up as long
as I can and make him think it's coming to me,
and then at the last minute, I'm gonna take the now.
I don't know if they changed this rule. The punt
returners used to be able to take off the head
of a gunner. I think they might have changed that. Well,
you could no longer just decapitated guy.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Probably be nicer about it.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Because they used to like te off on a guy
because like he's running down looking at you, you're looking
up faking and then the minute you take off and
you knock him out or you know he's looking for
the ball and you run and block him so he
can't hit the ball. That's all Miles Price is doing.
He's he's doing his job. That's just a bad bounce.
That's a bad bounce. And then nobody else alerted him.

(12:34):
It didn't look like it. They just kept blocking, because
when he's blocking, he's blocking towards the ball as if
nobody And again this is going to be maybe a
reporter in the scrum or asking, hey, did anybody yell
Peter poison, get away, scatter, whatever. But if you're trying
to stop the gunner for downing the ball, then that's
that's what he's taught to do.

Speaker 9 (12:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
The other thing is maybe the.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Coach should say, Coach Daniel should say, hey, after it
goes over your head, just run through.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Maybe we don't need to block here now.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Again that's a different conversation, but yeah, they're definitely taught
to either hit the gunner or running to him getting
his way. I don't know why he's still blocking that
long though, And that's where maybe there's a miscommunication of
what he was supposed to do in that moment. But yeah,
he's definitely supposed to let it over his head. It
laid it bounced at the one, and it just came
back like it was a great punt.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, I'm not saying he shouldn't have let it go
over his head. I'm just I'm just wondering if And
you're not being interrogated here, Ronan, as you're analyzing it
for me in the end, and I got a couple
of text mess Please tell me we're not blaming the
Vikings effort today on the punt returner. No, it just
happened to be the first topic that came up. And
but but it is part I mean earlier in the day,

(13:41):
just before towards the end of the first half, I
think we have Ivan Pace running off the field thinking
there's twelve guys when there's actually just eleven. Correct. This
is kind of along of a grander story about special
teams just.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Running over calling the time out screaming too as well
as well, So somebody either was sub in and didn't
sub in or whatever, because the broadcast team kept counting
and every single time they're like, wait, there's only eleven guys.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
We couldn't find the twelve guys. Somebody gets in Ko's year,
we got to call a timeout, correct, because.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Ivan Pace is like looking around and he's like, oh wait,
did somebody come get me? And he takes off and
the coaches are screaming. Everybody's running down. He's trying to
get a time out. Laflora is actually asking for a flag.
The refs throw the flag, and then their booth probably say, hey,
there's only eleven guys.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Still, nobody's actually counted.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
No, we couldn't find the upstairs because they were the
rest were talking upstairs. They probably counted for them and say, hey,
pick that flag ups it's there was only eleven guys
because he kept You can see Lafora's mouth saying there's
twelve guys in information, because you can't have twelve information,
which is a flag. It's not twelve on the field.
Even if you run off or you call the time out,
you can't have a twelfth guy information.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
You can't line up with twelve, and they didn't. They
lined up with eleven.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
So both Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell, the refs, everybody was wrong.
Everybody thought there was the twelve guys out there.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
And there wasn't. It's all part of an incredibly disorganized
and undisciplined unit. That's the special teams at this point
save for the punter. One of the plays of the game,
the punt down earlier at the two yard line, and
Reker maybe the most consistent player on the Minnesota Vikings
from sixty five. Yeah, in this special team thing. Man,
Chris and O Aatana Chris, Welcome to Vikings fan line. Hey, Chris,

(15:29):
Chris is listening to the radio. That's that's terrific. Chris
callback if so inclined? How about JP, JP and Rochester
Welcome to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
Hey, thank you, and Rob Johnson you're the man anyway,
I think Ron, I think I think it's all good.
I don't think JJ McCarthy is ready yet. I really don't.
I don't know if he's ever going to be. And
I don't like the interceptions happen when you're young. Look

(16:02):
at Brett Farv even Aaron Rodgers. I mean, when they
first started, they were throwing picks all the time. We
were picking them off in fact as the Vikings. But
he's overthrowing. I just don't think that he feels comfortable.
Something else is going on with that team because the
offensive line isn't doing them any justice either. And the
rest today I thought were terrible. They've been bad the

(16:24):
last three weeks. I don't know. I think it's time that,
you know, if if the season is going to tank,
let's just see what Max Blosberg can do. I don't
know why that's such a bad word. You know, you're
not taking anything away from JJ McCarthy. You know, cinema
game or two. You know, just cinem a game or two.
I appreciate what's your take.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, I appreciate it, JP Ron, that's kind of been
four win team you were hoping for five. It's not
happening in teams four and seven. It was awful at
lambeau Field today. Bud. You're thinking, maybe, you know, as
you're leaving the stadium or you're getting up off your
couch to bear yourself mid afternoon commiserate, maybe even calling
the fan line, you're thinking, well, at least I could

(17:07):
see some progression out of JJ McCarthy. Yep. And and
there you know, there are many angles to take with that.
We had seen fewer sacks over the last couple of weeks.
Super pumped to see all five on the offensive line
together for the first well that we didn't even make
it a freaking game. Now we got I think it's
an ankle for Dearris, and I forget what happened for
dearrisaw on an ankle for the other one. So foot

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and ankle for Donovan Jackson. Okay, so foot in an ankle.
That's just terrific. Uh, twenty twenty five in a nutshell
with these injuries. But did you see any progression from
the kid QB today? No? None, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
I mean, here's the thing, the run right, I think, Uh,
I don't know if I was listening to PA say
it or who got hit? Yeah, I think maybe PA
said it like there's no reason to take or Pete
Versus might have said there's no reason to take a
hit here or something.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And then I threw a pick on the next play. Yep,
even that play.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
T J.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Howkins is wide open to his left. Yeah, if he
looks right, high comes low. The next progression one to
three is the flat. It's always post dig shallow or
post dig flat or dig hook flat, like, it's always
three levels of progressions for quarterbacks. It's always the flat.

(18:18):
It's always a running back. If you don't go flat,
you go hook right. So there's a hook in the
middle with a running back, or there's a flat with
a tight end or running back.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
TJ.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Hockinson did not have a guy within I don't know
how many yards of him.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't know if J. J. McCarthy lost faith in TJ.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Hockinson.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I think he was just pressing.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
But when he turned, he never saw Hockinson, Like even
as he's running, he could have stealed through it at
the last minute because Hockinson never went to block for him,
because he's like, oh, dude, I might open just throw
me the ball, Like I don't know if the game
is going too.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Fast, I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Like somebody said he's thinking too much, or the broadcast
teams that looks like he's thinking too much. Maybe he
might be thinking cause he's talking about he's changing his
neurological pathways.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, am I wrong for saying that. I don't care
that he threw the second pick and the first pick
was a pick, though I think that was a strip sack.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
The ball came out his arm and then what's called
it hit it forward his body, which is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
How did it even happened while Justin's school having to
come in and then I think it's Rashan gary kid QB.
I think he needs to feel some of that pressure
and step up in the pocket. He doesn't. At the end, though,
I know what you're saying. They're in a vacuum with
that play. The game was over at that point. Yeah,
Like I just feel like he's pressing, you know, I'm
I'm just thinking more. I mean, you guys wanted TJ.
Hawkinson to get more involved. You got it today. He

(19:33):
was tied for the team leading receptions at four point
eight per reception. Even got a cute little push push attempt. Yeah,
on the this is funny.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
In the pregame show, I did my three minute Drew,
I literally said the tight end is going to be
the number one receiver.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
In the three minute Drow, I was like.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
You have to go to the tight every team they've played,
they've given up, like, what was it, eighty one targets
to tight ends, five hundred yards of tight ends, five
touchdowns out of thirteen where the tight ends McBride zach
Ertz all those tight ends eight Because when the receivers
go their dbs all worry about the receivers and they
forget about the tight end underneath.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I literally said, that was my four plays in the
in the thing.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
And then the one touchdown to Pickens was because the
Cavender Twins husband Ferguson was hooking.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't know if he had a picture of one
of the girls on his back, but Cavender Twins have
a singular husband. Oh yeah, they share them on TikTok. Yeah,
when you marry one twin, the other one's always there.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
She doesn't have a boyfriend. Her boyfriend was the quarterback
for Miami. He broke up with her or she broke
up with him, so you get both of them. But
like the safeties are staring at Jake Ferguson, which.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Lee's Pickens wide open?

Speaker 5 (20:39):
That was the one time a receiver with an open
tight end route worked in the red zone.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
And I said, I was like, whether it's t. J.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Hawkinson or Josh Oliver, they've got to have some plays
drawn up for them, and they did, but it just
wasn't enough. Like Jordan Addison nowhere to be found, and
again with eighty seven yards, I don't think you can
find Jordan Adison in that twelve like twelve throws twelve
complet like it just it just wasn't good. And I
don't understand why they don't go up timboy a little
bit just to say that's what JJ plays best when

(21:07):
he's not thinking he plays best.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
We saw the Packers do that a few times today. Yeah,
they like the personnel group they saw maybe from from
our lot defensively and they're like, all right, we're gonna
keep these guys on the field and try to just
push it a little bit.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Somebody on the pregame show said Kevin o'connough made the
comment about that and said something like or not not
he did that person say, yeah, and JJ McCarthy plays fast.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
But you can't do that all game? Why not?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Like what?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
At what point do you just try stuff?

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Now you're four and seven, you might as well come
out the gate against what was next Seattle. You might
as well come out the gate because you don't want
Sam Darnald to see this. Like I mean, if you're
going to see your ex girlfriend, you better show up
with a bit ley like this offense got that has
to come out moving. You cannot go there to see
your ex girlfriend and then you pull up in a
hooftie cause she's like, Oh, I'm glad I broke up

(21:54):
with you, Like this is what I was gonna have
to deal with, Like Sam Darnald versus JJ McCarthy, this
is what we all thought was gon be a great day, right,
a great Sunday afternoon, three o'clock prime time.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't feel like it.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
I at this moment, it feels like Jackson Smith and
Jigba and Sam Darnold are gonna make Kevin O'Connell be like,
how do we get this kid quarterback to play better?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, I'll be honest, I haven't. I haven't thought that
this was going to be a great Sunday afternoon in
about two months. Maybe, well maybe I shouldn't say that.
Maybe after we beat the kiddies, I'm thinking, okay, pathways,
we're headed in the right direction. And but here's the thing.
I don't get.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Aaron Jones rips off a great run and then you
throw the ball like five straight times after that. That
makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, opening driving the game like the run was a
super productive runs and then you even then you even
had the fifteen yard er to Jefferson correct, So you
get to first downs, run the ball again and then
just three kind of I mean, and they have There
was one. I think it was a quick out and
I forget maybe it was Addison. I think it's Javonne.
Bullard was more ready for that. The screen. He hit

(23:00):
the corner the screen. The corner jumped it so quickly
that they didn't They didn't even have a chance to
get off, and we threw our way into well, it's
a it's a tunnel screen.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
I think if I'm if I'm the way the way
it's supposed to be is most dangerous man.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Somebody was slow to get out there. Yeah, like TJ.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Hockinson kind of was waiting as if Jordan Nas was
going to run at him and run it more like
a tunnel, and Addison stepped back like it was going
to be like they're going to come to him and
then he's going to catch it and go up. So again, fundamentally,
somebody screwed that up because that's not supposed to happen
that way, and there's no way Addison runs backwards and
has no blockers. He either he was just supposed to

(23:37):
come down the tunnel and catch it, or Hawkinson.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Was supposed to go full speed.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
At his guy to hit him and decapitate him early,
and then Addison can catch it and go up the field.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
So it just didn't look right. Yeah, you're right. The
dB turns his turns around to pick six to the line.
To the phone lines again, Mike and Tampa. Mike, welcome
to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
A.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 13 (24:01):
Off of what Ron said, I think that the biggest
high on this team is Will Rekerts.

Speaker 9 (24:08):
That kid is just a beast.

Speaker 13 (24:10):
I think that JJ could learn some neurological pathways and
says psychology from him. But I just want to feed
up what Ron just said. This team is undisciplined from
all facets. I think that the coaching is having a
difficult time. You don't see the fight in the eyes.
There's no identity. I just want you guys to exploud
on that and kind of, you know, feed into what

(24:32):
is going wrong. We have no identity. This is not
a Vikings team that I've seen in many, many, many years.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, I appreciate the phone call in terms of identity
at this stage for a four and sevent team, I
kind of think, I mean, I hate to put it
so bluntly, I think their identity is bad, Like that's
that's the word there, and you want it's like an
episode of Scooby Doo. You just want at the end
somebody's going to pull the mask off and it's like,
oh surprise, we're actually we're a competent, competitive operation. I

(25:02):
don't think that mask pulling moment's gonna happen at this stage.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
So if you had Adrian Peterson at running back, okay,
and let's say Sean Mannion at quarterback, you got forty plays,
how many of those are you gonna run the ball?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, Adrian's gonna get his customary twenty five to thirty
technically for sure.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
And I'm not saying Aaron Jones, I mean or Jordan
Mason is is Adrian Peterson in twenty twelve?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, an MVP season in which I believe Christian Ponder
was the featured option under center.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
And Christian Ponder they I think that came up on
the telecast too. Maybe somebody bought him up for some reason.
I don't know, if there was something about his first
couple games or something. Well, they're starting to make that comparison.
That's not that's not good for the image of the Yeah,
I didn't understand what that was, like, you know that
was that was twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, so that was twenty well, twenty twelve. Bill Musgrave
had a play calling sheet about the size of the
average post. It just run right and seventy five percent
of the post that just had the number twenty eight
written on it. And they found a way, I think,
to win ten games, including the final four to get in. Yeah,
the walkoff, I believe against the Packers, maybe in a

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high scoring affair at Metrodome to seal the playoff opportunity.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, I mean, so here's the problem. You have Justin
jan the ball.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
You have Justin Jefferson, you have Jordan Adison, right, so
you can't say I need.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
To run the ball.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
But the problem is the person getting them the ball.
You have to say I have to run the ball.
And that's why the team lacks identity. Yeah, and that's
you're right what we're seeing it because you have you
have weapons on the outside in Addison, Jefferson, Naylor. Like
Naylor was actually open on that last play. Like there's
a lot of guys opening, he was open on that
last play. He just feed it in there a little bit,

(26:45):
a little touch, you know, not a show Heyo Tani fastball.
You just gotta a little change up, little screwball, get
it to him.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I know it was an overthrow in the second interception,
I was a bad overthrow. Yes, it was a bad overthrow.
Kids press seeing kids out of his head. Kid hasn't
been good enough. Kids not showing progress. That whole thing
I did not see a ton of. And again it's
the lack of passing attempts in the first place. He
kept going three and out and then specifically in the
second half. I'm just looking at the play by play,
the drive sheet via ESPN. Did they finish the second

(27:17):
half with negative yards? I'm doing the math. My main
Cato math puts them at minus one based on the
drive sheet. Yeah, please do. But but yes, no, there
were receivers open today and the team, by the way,
you're talking about running the ball, we don't have Adrian Peterson.
We do have Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason. Fifteen carries

(27:37):
for eighty six yards in the first half by those
two guys, it's not great in the second well, fifteen
carries for eighty six yards in the first half is terrific.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
No, I mean less than that's not great that they
didn't keep doing it, like.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Two carries from minus three right, keep running the ball
in the entire time.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
I was gonna say something to because they brought this up.
We talked about this last week. I talked about the
number of double digit drives. Remember I'm ought this up
last week and I said, the Vikings have a problem
with like patients, it's.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
No patience in the offense where they.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Don't it's almost like, Okay, we get one ten play drive,
maybe one twelve play drive, and it's like, nope, I
got to get a four player. I gotta take the
I gotta slay the dragon. I got to I'm David,
that's the live. Let me give me my sling shot.
The head coach likes explosive plays. It loves explosive plays.
But the problem is when you have the lowest amount
of ten play drives in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
There's something to that.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
If you're four and seven, if you're seven and four,
I don't think anybody cares. They're like, yep, it works right.
So there's the thing we can always say, why not
do this? If they're winning? Who cares?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right? When he's winning fourteen games. Nobody cared what he did. Wow,
nobody cared about this stuff. Dak Prescott just threw a
deep ball. I thought it was J. J. McCarthy highlight
for a second. I'm sorry. Six starts, six starts. We
gotta be patient. Back to the phone lines, Roger and Blaine,
Roger Walkome the Vikings fan line.

Speaker 14 (29:02):
Hey guys, thanks for taking my car. But I like
to say I have to be honest with you. My
name is Hollerin.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
James, Howard. Hollering, Oh, Hollering Howard, James.

Speaker 14 (29:14):
Oh, hey man.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
You know, I like to know.

Speaker 14 (29:18):
If I'm the right caller to win those tickets to
the box suite to the Vikings. Mister Johnson, mister nerdo,
I haven't been on your show for a very very
long time, due to discretion of the intakers of the secretaries.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I hold the position.

Speaker 11 (29:36):
I'm holding my car.

Speaker 14 (29:38):
I love your show so much. I'm an advocate listener.
I listen to Kate Fan all the time, you know,
And I tell you one thing, those Vikings. I'm still
putting the faith in them. I still think they could
pull it out and win a couple more James in
the North Division NFCFC Central Division. I used to follow

(30:01):
in the Black and Blue Division, and I met Ellen Page,
I met Carl Eller, and there's other radio people who
I know in the station that I have met, like
Marky rose In and Ben Mauller and as many sports
talk radio show guys I've met. I'm telling you, I'm
here in the scoop boom and I'm really loving you

(30:21):
on the show. I'm really what you're putting on. And
you know what, I believe you. I believe that they ain't.

Speaker 11 (30:27):
Gonna find that right quarterback of that's Grove her road
from from the University of Minnesota, and they find him
and he plays a good potessional skill and he shows
he can't complete the job as long as we get
a winning team put back in the market. And I
want to thank you for taking my call. And I

(30:47):
got some information for you, and you're rolling to give
me an he's saying that's.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Available to me by I don't have tickets for.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
You, hollering yeah, Height from the show hats yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I mean, well we'll scrape we'll scrape something up. I
mean there's a lot of there's a lot of games left. Hollerant,
I do get the number of yards in the second half.
But here's the deal.

Speaker 15 (31:09):
Holler.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'll tell you stop telling the screener that that you're
Roger and Blaine. Just be real about it, my friend.
Just it's it's hollering. Ready to holler. Absolutely, I want
to holler.

Speaker 11 (31:19):
And don't let me holler, man because I'm gonna steal
my show. That's not my line, right, my lie must not.
Just two years show, mister Johnson, mister Well co existed
with you and facilitate with you. How are you sure
you'll progressed.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
No, I appreciate progress, see.

Speaker 11 (31:40):
And best of you guys in this career as announcers.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's that's incredibly nice. And I appreciate you calling. And
you've stolen my heart is what you have done. And
we've teared up a little bit. I got a little appreciate.
I was teared up.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
And then also want to let you know it wasn't
negative yards nor in the second half.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You can calm down. What was the total? Four That's
just awful. That's just awful and unacceptable. It was negative
ten in the third quarter, fourteen fourteen in the fourth
so four my math is right, that's fourteen minus ten Bennett,
Yeah four, Ben and Alabama. I mean those are tough.

(32:19):
That's a tough act to follow him out four yards
though that was probably hard for Ben well. Ben, Yeah, Ben,
welcome to fanline.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
I don't know how I'm gonna, you know, come after that,
but I've.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Gotta cry, man, you gotta cry, drop a tear.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I can't do that.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
I'm so pissed at this game.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
But tell us why, man, I have to change.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
You guys might need to drop that song. Quation never
fails in a free agency because boy, you signed so
many players over the age of thirty, and that's not
we need football. Almost safety on the first almost safety,
Brian Kelly just got bull rushed by Parsons and yeah,

(33:09):
I thought he was going to take JAG's and off.
But yeah, JJ's not progressing. I was originally calling about that,
but I just don't see what we're gonna do. We
need to resign Redband to a long term extension. But
other than that, I'm just wondering, Oh, we're not given
enough credit to our punter. He had a great couple
of kicks today, But wondering, you know, when you sign

(33:31):
all these guys over thirty Aaron Jones, Brian Kelly, I
know I'm missing a few, Yeah, but hard Grave, Yeah,
I'm just wondering what your thoughts on that. They take
care love you guys, have a great day.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, you too, Bet, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
The fact that so when that happened in free agency
ran and we're kind of watching Isaiah Rodgers digging that
pick up, digging the you know, the financial aspects of
that pickup as well. There are a lot of things
I'm not digging now. But it stinks because in the
off season, like if you listen to nine to noon,
we start adding up everybody that we added effectively via

(34:09):
free agency this last spring has had some sort of
injury issue. Gave a bunch of cash to Will Fryes
he missed most of the season last year. Jonathan Allen
missed most of the half the season, I think, and
then Javon Hargrave I believe missed all but three games.
Ryan Kelly with the concussion issues he missed time last year.
And as we're talking about it, we're talking about it

(34:30):
in the spring with an optimistic tinge to it, where well,
if these guys play out, this is terrific, right, measured
spending spree. We know that cap issues are going to
get more difficult. We've been trying to get more financially flexible,
but we've had to do some work in free agency
because the draft has just been putrid. I mean, there's

(34:51):
just no getting around it. The drafts have been awful
and terrible, and that has to get better, especially four
and seven. If things keep on the wrong way, you're
gonna have a fat You're gonna have a nice draft
pick next April, and you got to you gotta hit
a grand slam with it one way or another. Can't
get cute with it. You got to pick a highlight
player in that draft. But now that plays into it.

(35:14):
The team is old, so you get financially flexible, but
you actually don't get younger. You get much older. And
now we're seeing whether it's the degradation of the play
from some of these veterans, or we're seeing injury issues
plaguing in this team in some regard, which has really
been across the entire roster. We're old. We don't have
a bunch of young talent, which kind of leads fans

(35:36):
down the road. Whether it's been and many others that
I've seen over the recent weeks just kind of where's
the hope around how this roster gets better into twenty
twenty six, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
I mean, honestly, that's a that's the million dollar question
of why gms get paid so much money With the
age thing that you talked about, you have to look
at the injuries with that age, right, So which guys
of age made it?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know, who played this whole season?

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Who do you coho can you retain and not feel
like you're giving away money to somebody who this might
be their last year they might not make it the
entire season. From there, I mean, you got to look
at the free agent market of guys that are you know,
like again Donovan Jackson going or sorry, Donovan Jackson pick
up seemed great, right, But injuries we just can't stay

(36:23):
on the field. And it's not his fault, Like the
one was friendly fire today, his own guy got blown
up and then hitting to him.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
So it's just it's overall. I like Donovan, oh yeah, no,
what I'm saying. He's good, but he says the injury
missed that game earlier with the risk finally comes back
and right, we'll see how this. And he played through
the risk though too.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
He played through the risk to have surgery, like, hey,
we need you to keep going a little bit and
then we'll get you surgery. So yeah, no, I thought
he was a great pickup. I'm just saying the rest
of these guys, like you said, the number of pickups,
it felt like a lot of the draft picks were
traded away for you know, no reason. I think now
looking back on that Adam Field trade, you know, was
that draft pick worth it?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Like?

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Could you have used that for something else? You got
all these draft pick because Jalen Naylor is doing just fine.
Addison's absence at Feeland didn't add anything to it, you.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Know, So it's like, was that pick worth it?

Speaker 15 (37:09):
Or you?

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Can you trade some pieces now or not trade? Sorry
you missed the trade deadline? You know, can you figure
out this offseason to make some moves to get some
draft picks back potentially after the season ends, to say like,
hey we'll trade you this guy for this if we
can move up in the draft now. Yeah, it's got
to be one of those. And again, and I know
this is not the answer, I really do wonder what

(37:30):
Max Brosmer has, Like I do. I just like, I
don't know if it's just the gopher in me the
eighty seven yards today, twelve or nineteen. I don't know
which one of those is the reason. But I'm like,
at what point do you just see if you put
him in like because because again and I know that
creates another storm, because if he goes out there and
throws for two seventy five and goes, you know, nineteen
for twenty two, you got a problem on your hands.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
And that's a problem you do though from a like
the world standpoint and how everybody's gonna view that, Like,
did you really have to move on from jaj McCarthy.
They need to find somebody that can throw the ball roun. Yeah.
So I mean we're we're in week eleven, week twelve,
kind of joking about it through the week, and we're
talking about neurological pathways. We're talking about getting extra reps
when we take the dogs for a walk. We're talking
about corks popping off of bottles, power the completion, imagine

(38:15):
all imagine if mangle shoulders, footwork, the whole thing. We're
talking about that in week.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Twelve, imagine if he was Shad Door Sanders with that
media following Max Brozman I'm talking about, they would be
calling from in the game, you know, because it's Dylan
Gabriel versus or Sanders, Like, why not try it? Max
Brozman just was an undrafted quarterback. So there's not a
huge media push for.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well, absolutely there's a huge fan pushing for it.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Luckily.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, I joll know. But that's the thing though, is
I do believe that that if he is not Max
Brosmer from Minnesota, that if he's actually Max Brosmer from
New Hampshire, and there was not that ever, not ever
a local connection. I don't think you're hearing that. I
think you're playing out the string New Hampshire. Yeah, I
think you're playing out the string yep to see what

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what JJ. I don't think Max really enters the conversation
that he is, at least to that of the local angle.
I do believe that there there is some some fan
bias and not that and it's not judging. I'm not
mad at it. I just thin Delaware. So yeah, and
he got it done. He's from Delaware, absolutely Delaware, New Hampshire. Uh,
when we come back We're we're gonna hit all the

(39:21):
states on the Eastern seaboard and continue to take your
calls as part of Vikings Fan Lives twenty three six.
That's the final Vikings are four and seven border battle.
Uh there, there are maybe a few things we love
the productivity of the run in the first half specifically,
but a lot of negatives off of this one as
the team falls to four and seven. Uh, those on, hold,
we got you. I got some talkback style up. We're

(39:43):
gonna play at the open of the segment and we're
going to continue on. This is Minnesota Vikings Footballnnesota Sports.

Speaker 16 (39:50):
The Leader, Minnesota Sports Leader is FM one hundred point three.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Day the fan, Welcome back Vikings fan line. Some calls
around the corner here. Vikings lose twenty three to six,
But let's hear from the talkback machine. Today was awful.

Speaker 17 (40:13):
But let's zoom out and get optimistic for two seconds
fourth place schedule next year. But holy moly, Quacy and
Kaos have a lot of work to do. KOs we
have no identity on offense none.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
We play slow.

Speaker 17 (40:28):
It's I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me. Quacy,
you have got to nail some draft picks. You have
got to figure this out or we are in so
much trouble. The ty Felton pick now even is more
head scratching than ever.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Thanks for the talkback identity none talkback machine. I love
this coaching staff.

Speaker 18 (40:50):
Don't want him to go anywhere.

Speaker 16 (40:51):
Not a big fan of Quasi to be honest, but
I just don't know how this coaching staff went into
the off seas and thought JJ McCarthy was ready. This
is a year to your business and it looks awful.
I mean, there's no defending it. I'm not saying his
career is over. We've seen so many quarterback revival but it,
I mean obviously carries on.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
What y'all think?

Speaker 16 (41:12):
How much longer can you keep up with this before
you put someone else in?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
What's a good question as we were talking about last segment,
well how about this talkback? I mean, can we just
put Max Brosmer in? McCarthy is a bust. The season
has went pair shape. Let's just see what the kid
can do. We got nothing to lose. Well, through six starts,
the fan base has gone from excited to see JJ

(41:40):
make his debut, get the win and soldier field two
up he's heard again, kids missing more games, already missed
a full season. Two welcome back, and then now they're tired.
They don't want the progression. Have they seen have you
seen as the as the common Vikings fan, I'm a
common Vikings fan. You're just like, we're all just commiserating together.

(42:02):
Have you seen progression from the kid?

Speaker 19 (42:06):
Hey, this is Dudley from all Tana. Hey, this team
is really rocking and rolling. I mean that offense is clicking,
that defense is it's making every tackle. There's no mistackles.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Just kidding with JJ.

Speaker 19 (42:19):
I mean, how much patience do you have because every
one of his cohorts, Drake May and Bo Nicks and Daniels,
I mean, everybody's skyrocketing, and he gets worse every game.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I get it.

Speaker 19 (42:29):
He hasn't been here for five years. I know it's
the Minnesota tradition for the moral victory. I guess we'll
wait till the middle of next year.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, don't take that moral victory tradition away from us. Okay, Dudley, did.

Speaker 20 (42:41):
You guys hear at the beginning of the game on
TV when Greg Olsen said that Kevin O'Connell said that
JJ McCarthy is the best quarterback he's ever coached.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Pre snap, it's just the post snap where he has
the problems. If not looking back. I heard that one.
What kind of malarkey is that?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I was. I was, Ah, there's this cool spot behind
target field raise food haul, Oh yeah, by Travail. It's
actually it's awesome, man, I got different food and have
some beers, the whole thing. Great place to watch the game,
great place just to hang out. I heard that, yeah,
and it did kind of stick with me for a
minute to figure that out.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I didn't want to negatively tweet that out because I'm like,
let me think about it from a coaching perspective. So
I was trying to find every positivity in that, like, oh, okay,
he gets them into the right player. He you know,
he's willing to can can or kill kill a play
into the proper play. I think a lot of people
can do that. Yeah, Like you could do that. It's counting. Literally,
you find, you find, you find the mic, and you

(43:47):
count how many linemen are there, how many dds are there?
Let me kill this play because I can't throw.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I want to run this. Oh wait, I want to
kill this and go opposite, opposite.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
I don't want to run left because there's five guys
to my left, there's three guys to my right.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Let me run into the right. I feel like a
lot of guys can do that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
The what's the ball snaps is where you want? Yeah,
that's where you want people. That's like saying, man, this
receiver runs great routes, but he can't catch well even
like you can't keep them.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
We were talking about it throughout the week. PA had
this this stat and sadly, I don't think I mean,
I think this stat even is going down downhill pretty quickly.
That his first two possessions of the game. JJ McCarthy
has like a buck twenty five passer rating and generating touchdowns.
Like there's a lot of good things happening. Here's two
drives or two plays drives every game. Yeah, it's played

(44:40):
in five okay through the first five into today and
and so you know there are implications off of that.
So it's is it scripted? It just you know, you
start with momentum and then it wanes and then he's
shown the ability, which is true, to find his way
into the end zone. Later stages of the game comporting
himself getting three soldier field. You think about last week,

(45:02):
you get that touchdown against the Bears, you actually had
the lead minus the There's a special team's gaff of
the week another local Chevy Dealers. Awesome people that they are.
They do the drive of the week. I think we
should offer a sponsorship to another great company in town
and just do the Special Teams Gaff of the Week
presented by my Buddy's at the Barbecue Shop. They can

(45:27):
sponsor that. No, but but we talked to it. It's
just those it's the moments in between. Well that's not like, hey,
in the third quarter, that's like the middle forty minutes
of the freaking game. So whether it's Alwa he's the
best pre snap guy I've ever coached, that's cool. Well,
at some point the play starts always terrific. In the
first two drives of the game, that's cool. There's three

(45:48):
quarters after that it's just I mean, and you know what,
the team chose this. The team said we're going to
do this. You know, I, for one, would be of
I'd be in favor of continuing to start JJ McCarthy
for the remainder of the season. So I'll give you this.
That's not a shot against Max Brosmer. But to those
questions in the in the talkbacks and such, from a

(46:09):
patient standpoint, let's play this out. We waited long. It
has not been good. But at this point where we
are a four win team, we need to we need
to know as unequivocally as possible whether this is a
thing we can move forward with or there's a competition
slash pivot in the near future. What do you got?

Speaker 5 (46:28):
I was going to give you the within Like, so
let's just say halfway through the first quarter. That usually
is about two drives, right, So I just went seven
minutes left in the first quarter. So mean JJ McCarthy
is played through it. His passer rating with seven minutes
to go in the first quarter. Okay, one hundred and
forty two point seven.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
How about that? It's right out of the gates fire.
Can we take them out after that?

Speaker 9 (46:50):
Then?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So let them play the first quarter?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
All right?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
So that's like, yeah, so first quarter, JJ, final three Brosmer,
that's what you're going left, I'm trying to like it.
I'm gonn just go the whole first quarter, right, So
you talked about the first two drives. Let's just go
the whole first quarter for JJ McCarthy, first quarter one
hundred and twenty three point one pass rating the entire
first quarter. Not bad, not bad at all, like if

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they can win games.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Fifty percent completions, two touchdowns, no interceptions, three sacks, nine
first downs, seventeen for twenty four sixteen rushes or sorry,
sixteen rush yards five yards in attempt on rushing. But
somehow their yards eight point two yards per attempt.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
But somehow we still can't score a touchdown in the
first half.

Speaker 9 (47:34):
Run.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, I believe today is the second game of the
season in fact, that we did not get into the
end zone at at all. Correct. They did bring that up,
I heard. I think Pete and Pa were saying that one. Well,
that is negative. Let's go to the phone calls. Read
in Wisconsin, Reid, welcome to Vikings fan line. Hey, Hey,
what to do? I try to talk about how bad

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the sole line is. Okay, you pay him so much
money and they let up five sacks.

Speaker 21 (48:04):
This's just horrible, all right?

Speaker 9 (48:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Why thanks for listening and calling in. I appreciate it.
He was sacked five times today. What I would like
to know, so the one that any of those sacks
in the first quarter though, actually I don't think they
were first quarter. You see light bulbs turning on throughout
the greater second that one, second through third quarter, second
through fourth quarter. Sorry, why are you doing this? Yeah, no,

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you have to forty nine. That's his passor rate passeradi.
It's truly second through fourth quarter. You're truly telling me
it was buck twenty three or something like that, three
point one in the first quarter.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
For the rest of the game, the rest of the game,
he's forty nine pass th d forty nine happened.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
His completion percentage is forty nine point one. Oh my goodness.
He has eight in all of his interceptions. He has eight.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
So they didn't count today's game yet because this is
this is still these stats still only go from like
the last whatever games because they wait everybody completes their
game and then eventually the statistician because I'm guessing they
might take one of those interceptions away when the statistician
looks at it again, I think that was a strip
sack that should go under. But eight interceptions, his all
his eight interceptions. We're in the second to fourth quarter.

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He's not throwing a first quarter interception. All season.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Okay, in six games. You look, hey, Vikings loving fan
base looking for positives. First quarter, JJ, so on the checklist,
first quarter, we can check that check off. All right, Now,
we got to get the second, third, and fourth, and
that's what that's what we're trying to do. We got
six games, we got six games left. Let's by the
end of the season. If we're going to set goals,
let's make him first half. We can we get the halftime.

(49:43):
What about halftime? I was actually again second quarter? Oh,
I was second quarter.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
JJ.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Is that a thirty two points aft? That's where it
goes downhill? That's not good.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
First quarter, JJ, is great? Second quarter JJ, you got catfished.
You literally swipe right, and it's not who it was.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
So when he said I become nine, he actually just
meant nine minutes of game time, correct. Okay, all right? Well,
I could have been speaking German too. He might have
just been saying no night. Well I'm saying I'm saying
no thanks. After you know the we were talking about.
You talked about the turnovers. I was waiting as it

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just didn't feel like they had it. And it's not
Miles Price's fault that the team lost the game. I agree,
but but that was kind of that gut punch, air
out of the stadium type of field moment when that happened.
They punch it in a couple of plays later, and
I was actually allowing myself to think, Ron, well, at
least he hasn't turned the ball over. At least say that.

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At least just there. These are the thoughts that go
through my head because I just it's ingrained to me,
because I'm an adult child. I'm thinking of are there
any silver linings to this? Hey, at least play a
clean game and we can talk about our inability to
stop the run. I mean, a Manu Wilson was fantastic today.
The mistackles are an issue, and I think that deserves

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some time. But then it truly became a complete game
for our favorite team in twenty twenty five with the
two later interceptions. Back to the phone lines here, Dave
and Albert Lee. Dave, Welcome to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 22 (51:18):
Hey Nordo, Hey Ron, love the show. I have a
question for Ron. I'm not ready to give up on McCarthy,
and I agree with ninety nine percent of what you
guys have said. What I'm wondering is why not give
Brosmer a shot? And what's more damaging to McCarthy at

(51:39):
this point, benching him and sending him back to I
mean training him. They've already they've talked about the basics
and the feat and everything else and his mental what's
more damaging venting him or the embarrassment of his performance?
Why not give Max to see what you've got in Max? Anyway,

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see what's there. Put McCarthy back in school, train him
and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Okay, yeah, I appreciate I appreciate it. Dave, uh is
is he a fake an injury? Is it more damaging
to bench him and put bros were in that spot again?
It would be a problem. I kind of get what
you're saying. I think that would be the perfect problem.
Is Hey, this guy looks way better than the kid
we drafted. Let's keep let's let's.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Unless Max Broseman goes in and stinks up the joint.
Then at last you're like, Okay, well no, we got
stick with stick with nine.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
So going out there taking five sacks, looking completely helpless
and hapless for large stretches of games, you nailed it.
Basically after the first quarter, good freaking lots. So I
have another positive for you though, fourth quarter ninety six
point eight. So it's really just the second and third quarter. Yeah,
so the middle third, the third quarter is fifteen point three,
So just only half the game. Half the game. He's

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a complete disaster first quarter, fourth quarter, because again, think
about it, he leads teams back, he's hot in the
first he's pretty good in the final frame, and he's
just a complete second and third mass for half the game.
And is it Himmer's at the play calling? I mean, well, well,
I mean, okay, how yeah from a standpoint of I mean,

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whether again running the ball now functionally? And we didn't
hear the entire press conference, but I would bet if
that did come up again. Fifteen carries eighty six yards
in the first half by the backs Mason and Jones.
Two carries for minus three by those backs in the
second half. I can already anticipate what you're going to hear,

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is you know we went three and out and I
believe let me see here, Yeah, you take the sack
on the first down by Parsons. He's going to say, well,
that put us at second seventeen, that running the ball
was no longer an option there, So that's your first possession.
Then the next possession you do run it with Aaron Jones,
you'll lose a yard. Then McCarthy's sacked. It's third and sixteen,

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so you're not running it there. Like, I can already
picture if this was talked about and asked what the
conversation is going to be. It's twenty to six at
what point, twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter. That's
when you get your second carry Mason for minus two.
Then you get Daris saw second and twelve becomes second

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and seventeen because of the false start. Then you get
an incomplete feel and drops it, and then McCarthy's sacked
by Devonte Wyatt and Ryan Kelly just gets completely run over.
I think that's the play where that happens. So I
can already picture that conversation in terms of why they
did not run the ball more in the second half.
As a matter of fact, let's look at this, so

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they had fourteen Yeah, they had fourteen minutes of possession
fourteen ten at halftime. They finished with twenty two. They
had the ball for eight minutes in the entire second half.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Yes, it's not good No, it's not forty four plays
to sixty five.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, that's I mean, it's just a hidious. It's hard.
I mean, you can't wait. There's way to win like
that if you don't have the ball that you know,
that's that's not a lot of time.

Speaker 11 (55:10):
With the ball.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
That's why you're a four win team. Doug in Florida, Doug,
Welcome to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 23 (55:17):
Hey Ron, Hey, Noord, how you guys doing that?

Speaker 10 (55:19):
Good man?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
How are you?

Speaker 23 (55:21):
I'm great, Well, I'm pretty bummed out right now. But
it's just a couple of comments kind of its found
on what you had said earlier about tackling issues. My god,
yards after contact. It's just getting it's getting more ridiculous
every week. And you know what, I just think this
team has got. You know, they talk about culture and
the great culture there.

Speaker 21 (55:40):
In the locker room.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
I don't care.

Speaker 23 (55:42):
I just want them to get tough again, tough in
me and be a big tough meats football and push
some guys around. And they just feel like they get
they get destroyed every week by teams that are just
tougher and can and can tackle better, et cetera.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
Another time.

Speaker 23 (55:57):
And I do think that I think these bad drafts
are just they can't be hidden any longer. And what
we're having to do with free agency, it's, you know,
they're they're blowing up on us, and I think we're
we're in a real train wreck here for the next
two or four years. Last thing, you know, Roun, I'm
with you. Maybe Rosma I'm not a Rosma homer, but

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but why not throw them in just to see what
he's got?

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Thanks Jensen, Yeah, thank you, Doug.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
All right, Ron, you got the right answers. I'm saying,
we we just we we need finality on this JJ
McCarthy thing, whether it is hope or despair the fan base. Hey,
the roops have spoken, and I'm well, first of all,
I have no power in this comp I just I
want to see I want to see more from JJ.
Put a stamp on this thing. I don't want to sit.

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At what point did you think the game was over
to day?

Speaker 9 (56:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I told you when they when they punched it in
after the after the month. So is that twenty that's
when they got to twenty?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Right? We know it was.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
There was ten minutes twenty six to twenty seventeen to
six it was over seventeen to six. Yeah, it just
fell that. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
So, and I'm saying from a stamp point of at
what point would you have said, let's just throw Max
out there now?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Well, actually we have no change. Well actually I'll say this,
when I really thought it was over, was the next
possession one of the many three and outs that we won, correct,
And then they got the field following in the seventeen
I was twenty to six at that point, field goal.
Bring Max, bros. We're out to just finish out the
fourth court well and even yeah Core see. And that's
the thing is is I am of the mind that
I just would whether it no matter how bad it

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gets at this stage. That my expectation for this team
going to the postseason. I mean, you know, even into
this game, it's a border battle. It's kind of cool.
You got seven games left. It's like, all right, you're
trying to do some NFC playoff race math, and you're thinking,
you probably got to win. You have to win six
out of your final seven, maybe win all seven. You're

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looking at who are you passing? Are you're passing the
kiddies and or the Bears in the NFC North, and
then you're thinking about what's going on out West. We're
gonna get to see the Seahawks next up. You got
to probably because one of those two divisions was going
to send three teams to the playoffs. So I'm just
kind of doing that math, but still hope wise, it's
just like, I just want to see the kid. I
think at this point my entire expectation for the remainder

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of this season is just I need to see the
light turn on for the kid QB. Otherwise in twenty
twenty six, I don't have to roll out spring spending
segments going. I wonder if it's get better. It either
will or won't, but we're gonna have, hopefully a more
solidified definition of who McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Can I read you a tweetre so a fan line tweet.
This comes from Jeff Rowan Tens. He tweeted at three
Ron Johnson, that's the number three Ron Johnson and Matt producer.
Next time people hashtag that K fan fan line or something,
I don't know what, what's the hashtag? We have to
have a hashtag for this, but he just said, he
said to Nordo's point, he said, nord I want you
to know, I don't think the fan interest in Brozemer

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is driven by his Gopher roots. And then he goes
on about you know, j mag and stat wise he's
the worst keep being in the league. But you know
he's saying, it's not just the Gopher side of it,
it's the just it's the JJ McCarthy lack of is.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Why there he he specifically is pushing for it. So
it's so it's more the loathing of McCarthy than it
is any local connection to Rosmer. All right, I I
I actually I would have to continue disagreeing with that.
I think that if if if he had just been
at New Hampshire, went undrafted, nobody knew about him. He
flashed a little bit in a PHAs amazing game.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
Here out of New Hampshire. Do you think Kevin O'Connell like,
because you know, Kevin O'Connell and PJ. They talk like
once or twice or like twice a week or sorry,
every two weeks or something like that, like once or
you know one week or two weeks out forgot how pj'
worried it, but you know, don't talk every.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Once in a while. Sorry, meat sauce in the other room,
just completely side railed me, sidetracked me, the shirt off.
Sam Howell was doing nothing true and ripping. Maybe there
was optimism there. I mean, I think I think bros
right the best preseason. I think a farther he did.
I think I think you go even go farther down

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the road. Does he even ever get the opportunity, specifically
at the Vikings if he had not gone to Minnesota.
So again, I I just how you get there? It's
all good said that when Josh McCown watched him during
his pro day and Josh stood there and he like
Joshus was like, man, this kid can spin the ball.
Pj's coming over there, telling Josh like, you can trust
him if you bring him in if he doesn't get drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Do you think you guys will bring him in? You
know all that they were, they were like they had
a plan when they saw him at it's pro day.
And I wonder how many other teams other than the Vikings, like,
really watch Max Broverer. You know, I think most of
them were here for the cornerback. You know, they went
to the Coats and you know the d linemen broke
his arm or some er hand, you know. But yeah,

(01:00:38):
when you look at all of that, that's that's where
I think a guy like Max Brosemur had benefited from
the local angle, but also the fact that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Then he took advantage of the opportunity because they.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Didn't want to bring in another quarterback anyway to compete,
because that was the other thing, why aren't you bring
Like Ryan Clark just tweeted that out, like who do
the Vikings bring in this offseason compete? Because that was
the whole thing this offically, they don't want to bring
anybody into compete with JJ.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
They wanted it to be his show.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
So are they going to bring somebody in this offseason
even just to be number two and be a solid
number two? Or is Max the number two and you're
gonna give Max a chance to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Start well save for some sort of miraculous turnaround, that's
they're gonna have to take a different plan of approach
this offseason. I believe that's Ron Johnson NOBNRDO from nine
to noon right, fan Line still going strong. And by
the way, after fan Line concludes, you're gonna get more
with Vikings overtime with Saucy and Max Fuller as well.
So continue phone calls. I want to jump into those

(01:01:32):
many many many more talkbacks to play as we continue.
Vikings lose the border battle at Lambeau twenty three to six.
This is Minnesota Vikings football.

Speaker 14 (01:01:47):
About that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:47):
I'm not running the balling out for giving up the running.

Speaker 24 (01:01:51):
We'll corfe through for like seventy yards in the first
half and was throwing for I don't know, be through
for any in the second half. I mean it's at
some point unless you just want to become a wishbone
offense and run the ball every down, you got.

Speaker 25 (01:02:03):
To throw it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
So I don't.

Speaker 24 (01:02:06):
It's not play calling. That's not the problem. I think
they ran fifteen offense and plays as second. They got
to convert first downs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Passes have to be completed. Thanks for the talkbacks, free,
iHeartRadio app. I better read this just to make sure
there are no FCC violations before I play it. So
we heard the one call and I'm in on that talkback.
Appreciate it. Not the play calling. Well here's another talkback.
They disagree with that too.

Speaker 25 (01:02:34):
Like Kos's play calling, it's absolutely awful for a rookie quarterback.
It's like he runs the ball just because someone told
him he should. That kid's going to be good. But
those defenses don't respect our run game because he gets
away from it. They just pin their ears back and
blitz the rookie into oblivion. They're not going to win

(01:02:55):
another game unless he fixes that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:58):
That's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Guys, have a good Yeah, I appreciate the talkbacks. I
will say, you saw it on the drive, well, the
opening drive was an example. You saw it later as
well where they were seeing productivity in the run, but
then the kid wasn't completing the passes. So there is
kind of there. And I've been one of the people

(01:03:19):
that has been welcome back to fan line. By the way,
Vikings lose twenty three to six. You guys have phones,
you watch the game. You know what the final score was.
But thanks for listening to your home for Vikings Football
the fan. I'm Nordo from nine to noon. Ron Johnson
is here. I've been one of the people that I
want to see a much higher commitment with the run game,
and I think that is a support and maybe a
pressure valve that can help alleviate some of the issues

(01:03:41):
we've seen from the kid. But even when you had
it going in the first half, JJ just wasn't making
the plays and so you know Ko and again fifty
you hit it. In that first talk back, there like
fifteen offensive plays in the second half. I don't have
the specific number, but certainly it was low and maybe

(01:04:01):
that's what it was. Uh, fewer opportunities. You're not getting
the completions. The power of the completions. We heard that
in the presser from the coach. Maybe not the first
time I've heard the quote power of the completion. There
were none. So you run the ball. Kid doesn't come
up with the with the completions. You can't run the ball.

(01:04:23):
Michael Parsons team off on you, my goodness. And that
hit he took on the run, Yeah, not good. There's
no purpose of doing that. David in Minneapolis, Dave, Welcome
to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 26 (01:04:40):
So I would say that the whole fascination with Brosmer
is more about the fact that the preseason, and I
absolutely understand his preseason. He was decisive with the ball.
The thing with McCarthy, it seems like he holds the
ball longer than anyone that like, you know, they talk
about like young quarterbacks rushing through their progression rush into

(01:05:00):
their throws and getting rid of it quick. He's a
complete opposite. He holds on the ball ridiculous amount of time.
I also think that their offensive play calling at times
is really just bizarre.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
I mean, like you have TJ.

Speaker 26 (01:05:13):
Hockinson, the guy who's not I mean, I would argue
he's probably one of the worst tight ends after the
catch right for getting yardage, And so you put him
a un third and one.

Speaker 8 (01:05:22):
And you expect him to get a first down.

Speaker 26 (01:05:24):
There's so many better players.

Speaker 9 (01:05:25):
That could have run that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
There's times when you get in.

Speaker 26 (01:05:28):
The red zone and you have a wheel route to
Aaron Jones, you know, throws to him. It's like he's
your best offensive option in the red zone. And so
I look at this team at times, like, you know,
a couple of years ago, they were the most disciplined team,
hardly any penalties. This year, they're one of the most

(01:05:48):
penalized teams in the entire league. Eight false starts at home,
like and so I then you watch these players drop
balls and stuff. It feels like there's like a lack
of confidence. I watched, you know, justin Jefferson feeling guys
that have been like the most sure handed receivers the Vikings.

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
Have ever had.

Speaker 26 (01:06:06):
I mean, look at the Buffalo game JJ, JJ makes
an amazing catch.

Speaker 8 (01:06:11):
Now they can't make simple catches.

Speaker 25 (01:06:13):
It's like it feels like this team is losing.

Speaker 26 (01:06:15):
Confidence in their quarterback and then they're not there offensive
play callers aren't setting him up for success. So it
just it's at all feels like it's falling apart really quickly.
I mean you look at like the average depth of pass.
He was like two games ago, they said he was
leading the league at that time for the average depth
of pass. What happens to like slants, easy little throws

(01:06:36):
this guy can make, they will give him success and
build his confidence and build the team's confidence around him.
It feels like everyone's kind of losing hope in him
and they're not setting them up for success. And ultimately,
I don't know if he's going to be any good.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
You've got this, You've.

Speaker 26 (01:06:50):
Got a quarterback whisperer, right if he fails here like
Darnold came here and resurrected his career, if he can't,
if JJ can't make it work here, really what is he?

Speaker 9 (01:07:04):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
I appreciate I appreciate the call, David the the Hawkinson
push push, My goodness, yeah, what are we doing? They
try to trick people and it's not tricky, and it
wasn't tricky. No, you know what, I what I will
ask to that call in talking about play calling, and
this is again I think this is a complete cop out,

(01:07:25):
So feel free to rip me for it. But that's fine.
I think it's a cop out. But I still, I
truly believe in some ways it's difficult for me to
rip the play calling again. I want to commit to
the run. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be consistent that
what if the easy stuff isn't good for JJ? Like
what if he can't do the easy stuff, and so
what does he do hard stuff? Well, that's my entire point.

(01:07:48):
You you mentioned the Hawkinson play late that led to
the second pick, and I can't remember exactly what it
was in the Bears game, but there was a moment
I think Kevin O'Connell actually mentioned that there was a
checkdown and you know, albeit small play within a within
a long game. You mentioned like that was one of
his favorite moments. What if JJ can't do the easiest

(01:08:08):
You're laughing at me, but there's an element to this
like KO wants to win games. So I'm not I'm not.
I'm not full on Kevin O'Connell. Apologies here, that's not
my point in this. But if Kevin O'Connell wants to
win games, that caller is correct. The average depth of target,
specifically even a week or two ago, was like ten
point three. It was longest in the NFL, I think

(01:08:30):
by like two yards by regular starters with one hundred
plus naps or something like that. Will say you think
the head coach doesn't want to win games. You think
he doesn't want to raise the kid on fly on
the fly by while being competitive, Like, what if the
kids just not getting it at this stage because we've
talked about the slants, you're mentioning checkdowns and and that

(01:08:52):
that moment pops in my head. I think JJ was
or KO was proud of JJ for taking the easy one.
Maybe a little more touch on the short stuff. You know,
he had to force Aaron Jones to kind of jump
and then turn on a short pass earlier today. What
if you just can't do the easy stuff, which then
signals that's a problem, That signals a significant problem. Jamison

(01:09:16):
and Chasco Jamison welcome to Vikings fan line. Hey nordal Ron,
how you doing? What's going great? Lope? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
I to Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:09:30):
So I don't know if he saw or if people
saw this, but Fox had pointed out greg Olsen's footwork
or the McCarthy's footwork. Greg Olsen I pointed out, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Don't know, is it footwork?

Speaker 18 (01:09:46):
Is it mechanics. I mean like it just seems like
he's just kind of getting worse and worse and worse,
and you know, to kind of piggyback off of Ron
and Mortals point from earlier. Yes, we need to run
the football more effectively, more efficiently when you have a
young quarterback back there, I think just like simplifying the

(01:10:08):
game for him is like kind of like the key,
you know, quick short throws, Yeah, trying to you know,
kind of establish you know, like a little bit of
yards after catch, especially with guys like Naylor and Addison
and even Jefferson, you know, and then you got t. J.
Hockinson there. I think that would be like kind of

(01:10:29):
like the best thing going forward. But how long of
a leash does McCarthy have because obviously these games aren't
going well and we're four and seven at this point,
and you know, the playoffs seem unlikely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Where do we go from here?

Speaker 18 (01:10:46):
I mean, like, is it like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
I don't think.

Speaker 18 (01:10:50):
Brosmer is going to be any better than McCarthy. I'm
just gonna throw out there. Sorry, Vikings fans, but yeah,
it's just not looking good. And it's very very disappointing
that it's right before Thanksgiving and looks like we're I'm
outside looking in. I'll hang up and listen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Thanks guys, Yeah, I appreciate it. And that's kind of
the question we've been talking about Jamison as well, is
you know, the leash is the way that you put
it there. And I'm very agnostic in terms of my
optimism on what Brosemer can or cannot do. But but
for me, I'm keeping JJ McCarthy in for the rest

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of this season as long as he's healthy to play,
and we're either going to know something, well, we're going
to know something one way or the other. Is really
you know, as you mentioned a four and seven operation,
you got to go six straight to the finish line
and then you probably are looking at a Bear's collapse.
You need the Seahawks to collapse. Part that would be

(01:11:48):
Vikings win this weekend out West, that'd be pretty sweet.
But yes, the playoff opportunities are dwindling. Teams don't look
at it the same way we do as fans. They
look at just go beat the next team until you
officially eliminated. But whether there's a dwindling confidence, I mean,
the damn kind of broke in some respects. I think
later in the game today with the defense, I mean,

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the tackling was just I mean it was it was putrid.
It wasn't effective. Emmanuel Wilson I saw some stat in
the third quarter. I think he had eighty some rushing
yards and sixty plus of it was actually after the
initial contact. So he's a baller. You got Mittel's getting
hurt and hit Man. Hit Man's not hitting too many
people these days. There are actually maybe some things we

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can get into with that. I got another teas for
you too.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
We can talk about this, but there's a category Caleb Williams,
JJ McCarthy and Jayla Hurts are in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
So there's something off with this and we'll talk we
can talk about that. A what a tease during fan line?
Well there's you know, the team loss, so there's no
mystery there The QB is also brought parties in that
list too. Oh goodness, here we go. That's Ron Johnson Imnordo.
Calls are stacked talkbacks in play Vikings lost twenty three
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Vikings overtime with Maxie and Saucy looking forward to further conversation.
There the Wilder in play right now. I don't have
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Speaker 15 (01:13:43):
I think you have to make a point on some
of the sacks as well as a day from Woodbury.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Sometimes the guy holds the ball forever and the.

Speaker 15 (01:13:51):
Pressure is not like he's getting hit from the blind side.
The pressure is right in front of him. And just
like when you were talking about Hockinson earlier on the
play that he gets sacked, about the one he gets
thrown in the end zone, C J. Ham is wide
open in the flat waving his arms right in front
of McCarthy and he doesn't see.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Him and doesn't throw the ball useless. You know what,
that's a good I think that talkback's a good way
to bring you back to Vikings fan line. Vikings lose
twenty three to six to the Packers. The team is
now four and seven, six games remaining in afternoon tilt
in Seattle to cap off Thanksgiving weekend. That's what's ahead.

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But Ron in to break. Actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna
clamp on this real quick. Ron Johnson's here, I'm nordo.
How about this? Check out? Cool one O eight because
the Wild are up one nothing midway well six minutes
left in the second period. Who got the goal? Of
course it was Danilla year Off. Why wouldn't it be
the young Russian in the mix? So on cool one
owait the Wild assisted by mister Trenton Yakoff. Minnesota up

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won nothing on the Winnipeg Jets. To that category that
you were talking about, Ron Johnson, in terms of JJ
McCarthy and a few other notable nflqbs, really.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Good qbs, one of them we're watching right now. Who
is up about to go down to score again to
go up twenty eight? To nothing, most likely against the Cowboys.
But so Kayleb Williams, JJ McCarthy, brock Purty, Jalen Hurts,
time to throw, time to throw Kayleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
We know he holds the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
That was the big thing for Brian Floor is when
Kayleb Williams is out, you got a plaster your guy.
You can't let Kayler Williams get free. Last year he
has three point twenty nine seconds to throw. JAJ McCarthy
has three point one six, like three point one six,
and then he got you got brock Purty three point
one two, and then you got Jalen Hurts three point
oh one. So all those guys, they are the only

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four quarterbacks above three seconds to get rid of the
ball QBR and passer rating three of those guys one hundred,
ninety six and ninety JJ McCarthy sixty one. So what
is he not doing with the time he has to
throw the ball? You look at it, and that's could
be it. You look at aggressiveness. He's going after it
because he's got twenty percent of his throats are aggressive. Yeah,

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they're just going to the wrong person, correct, Like they're
not going to the guy we wanted to go to
and then you know, you can look at yards to
throw to the sticks. Right, So a lot of these
quarterbacks are negative in that, which means they're throwing first
and ten. They're throwing a six yard route first and
seven or sorry, second and seven they're throwing a five
yard route.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
So the first the first, so the water line is
the first route would be sticks.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Yeah, so a zero would be your throwing ten yard
routes either beyond the short.

Speaker 9 (01:16:29):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
JJ McCarthy is one of the only quarterbacks two yards
beyond the sticks on every throw. Now, of course that's
an average, but that just sounds like the plays are
called to go for it or and you bought this up?
Is he not processing it like meat Sauce just walked
in here and said, C J. Ham is opening the
flat well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Meet Sauce takes the flat meet Sauce was processing that
free pizza at a super high level. If we timed
that and we had that in the form of quarterback processing,
we'd never talk about the QB again other than lauding
him for for an all pro performance.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
He get a slice of piece of eating before JJ
McCarthy gets sacked.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Probably that that's the the next video. So so again,
I mean just the way this season's gone. It's you know,
we didn't have the rushing attempts because XYZ situational aspect.
How is the O line looking today? Well, justin school
comes in and then Rashan Gary pulls it, you know,
just absolutely Turnstiles in. I think JJ needs to see

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that or feel that pressure and move up in the pocket.
He doesn't. That leads to the first interception or strip
sack however you want to frame it. And you know,
how do you judge again, the time to throw though,
that's a stat that's a number. The nerds are on it.
Three point ones a lot of time. That's a lot
of time. And and when Saucy was in here in between,
I mean just some of the biggest pizza bites you've

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ever seen in your life.

Speaker 12 (01:17:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
He did mention that play and I think it led
to his sack and I think, yes, correct where it's
just you got Ham, Ham's in motion, He's going to
come out. That's the easy outlet.

Speaker 9 (01:18:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
The one thing I will ask though to that end,
because he's right, I mean, the problem he just JJ
sat there, didn't really move kind of statue es just
kind of hopping and then he just gets pummeled. He
never even turns, and that was front side, going left
to right. I believe he never even turns to make
the play to Ham to his left, to his right,

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excuse his right right. Yeah, So I was thinking about TV.
Ham was motioning near side down correct, and they were
going left to right, and JJ never even looks at Ham.
So my question there would be was that actually the
obvious outlet option was that the main feature of the play,
or was that let's get that obvious action to move

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a corner or a linebacker to find something over the
middle potentially, But if it's not there, then you got
to go to the wide open guy. Three point one
second season, Like, if you give sees a Ham the
ball with three cards, four yards of space where guy's
got to come up and make a tackle.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
I'm gonna put my money on CJ. Ham to run
through an arm tackle, arm tackle. Yeah, yeah, Like he's
he's gonna run through. Yeah, he's gonna run through some
of those dvs. He's gonna outrun the linebackers. Like I forgot,
I forgot what you can talk, CJ. He told He
told me about his like yards as a fullback, and
so I was like, at the time he told me
it was like seven hundred some yards of like receptions

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or somewhere after contact or something like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
He was very bullish on his ability to catch the
ball out in space and make people miss. I mean,
it would be so it would be inappropriate for me
to start a fan club. But if I did, I
might start a CJ Ham one. I love CJ and
running most linebackers, and I don't know CJ can run
a little bit like he's I mean, Redmond trying to
chase down Jordan Love today. But but to your point,

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is he not processing that checkdown?

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Like I don't, is it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
He's so stuck on I got to get this first down,
or I got to get this seven or eight or
ten or twelve yard play that I'm forgetting. Let me
just take the five yard play and maybe being a
manageable third down or manageable fourth down even because if
you know you're in four down territory, get the fourth
and three, get the fourth and two. You don't have
to get it all on third down when you're losing

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by two touchdowns or three touchdowns late in the game,
and that's that's what I wonder, is like in the
game play.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Scope of it, does he know that?

Speaker 9 (01:20:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Like is he is he what is he thinking about?
Or is he thinking about you know, go mon yeah?
Or is he worried about much?

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
I think you know, Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen, Like,
that's what you're saking about. You can do fan line
and think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
I can't. And you you've proven it absolutely earlier. You're
talking about the Cavender twins and Carson.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
I just saw the thing today where they were showing
their little outfits headed to the game and all the
sisters are home for Thanksgiving, and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
So you can compartmentalize those things and still do fan
line clearly, the QB and maybe having.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
Sum Jackson Dart had a picture of Madison beer because
we're about to go play it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
So Jackson Dark can do it. I'm starting, in a
sense a trend to slash theme in terms of the
things that you're thinking about right I'm talking quarterbacks. I'm
thinking about the quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
But Jackson Dark can compartmentalize all of that little stuff,
the petty stuff, the fun stuff. Again, like is nine
so caught up? In being this super hyper holistic meditation.
I get the meditations a part of life, right, that's
part of his life, all that, the mental health side
of it, all that, but like, at what point do you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Just have fun? Like I wonder is he having fun
right now?

Speaker 9 (01:21:29):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Is it the kid or the coaching? And that's what
I wonder, Like it doesn't look fun.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Jackson Dart looks like a frat boy, seriously, and him
AND's camp Scatiba, like they were frat boys out there,
they were having fun, we'd loser draw they were having fun,
Like Jason McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Sometimes doesn't look like it's fun. It looks like it's
pressure carrying Grand Forks Carrie. Welcome to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Thanks guys. Question for you on short yard I think
point calling on short yardage situations is atrocious, okay, And
for one thing, they always go into the middle of
the line.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
There's no imagination.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
They got a two hundred and fifty pounds full back,
why don't they use them? And then the other thing
I'll call on Brosmer and McCarthy is McCarthy didn't win
the quarterback job. He was given the quarterback job. Brosmer
completely played well in the preseason, wasn't even given a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I'll quipped with that, Yeah, I appreciate the call.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
I mean, they're they're not going to give him a chance.
Though it's not his team. Max Rosebery is the backup.
Your job is to hold the clipboard talk to the quarterback.
Like Max said, he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Said, I'm gonna do everything to get JJ ready for
the week. Right, that's his job. And and by the way,
that that's also how it works when you when you
peg it, when you when you pinpoint somebody you want
to select in the first look at the Cavante turpe.
But did you see the route? It was just a
sit in the zone, and that he was the third option. Yeah,
he just sat Look at this. Why it's this? He's pointing,
you go this way? You get that? Oh, yeah, there

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you are. It was he was the third option and
he was able to miss, make a guy miss, and
he's out the gate. Now again they're still losing twenty
one and nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
And by the way, people, sorry, we're watching the Eagles
Cowboys game and I'm just yeah, for sure, And Nordo,
what top down looks like he had a deep post.
He had a deep goat and then he came back
to Turpin, who was the hook who technically could be
the running back in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Just go to the go to the third option. So
here's what I know, eleven games into the season, twelve
weeks is we've been talking about very very similar things,
whether it's where's the slants, the easy stuff, just getting
guys in space, letting athletes do their work. Let's try
to simplify it for McCarthy, et cetera. And again, you know,

(01:23:41):
it's it's good that we have this outlet in this
opportunity to do it. And maybe sometimes the coaches of
the teams don't like that that we're sitting here as outsider.
It's just the ignorant roubes that we are complaining about it.
I just think eleven games in, you think Ko hasn't
tried to put a slant in the mid Yeah, you
think Ko hasn't at some point? Gone, man, we just

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need to get eighteen with some grass in front of them.
Restep drop and speaking of eighteen, take some heat off
the kids. Like I'm starting this and I'm just I'm
building this in my own neurotic head, my own neurological
pathways are being rewired as I speak that, I think
maybe the kid just doesn't get the easy stuff. So
there is something fundamentally freaking wrong right now that even

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the coaching staff inside that building are trying to work
their way through on a weekly basis.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
And eighteen just said this, So Justin Jefferson, this is
from Alec Lewis. It's frustrating. It's frustrating to lose. It's
frustrating to be up here saying some things every single week,
every single week, expectations we're expected to change every single week.
The following week, we're gonna change it. We're gonna change it,
and we're still in the same spot. We've just got
to figure it out. Yeah, that sounds like frustration to me.

(01:24:56):
That sounds like frustration, and that sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
The probably the justin jeff In corporate response. I don't
think a J. Brown would have responded this way. I
don't I don't think a J.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
Brown would have had this type of like AJ Brown
would have called his quarterback out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, well we talked about this during the feast or
his coach, which is probably not the right way to
do it. So by by by highlight, high end, highly compensated,
highly touted NFL athlete standards. JJ has handled this situation
with perfectly, exceptionally well, that is definitely not sadly when

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it comes to the highly touted, highly accolades, highly compensated
NFL athlete, that is not the standard. No, it should
be the standard, but it's not. Well, yeah, that's just
that's you know, that's a train wreck for a team
that's figuring out how to handle adversity. They got brock
perty with a ton of time to throw the Samuel

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the NFL, and we're trying to figure out how to
get win number five. We can't win a border battle
where non competitive the QB either gets it or doesn't.
And here we are, as at this point in time,
we're going to say good evening and have a terrific,
awesome Thanksgiving week. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. Hope
you're feasting. The Vikings Audio Network. The next time you're

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that one YEP and the Seattle Seahawks and at that point,
trying to find win number five after a brutal throttling
at the border battle in Lambeau earlier Today, Vikings lose
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Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
This is Vikings Fan Line with Ron Johnson and fans
Eric Norton Quist twenty three to six, the final a
border battle battering. Sadly your favorite team was on the
wrong end of it. Welcome to Vikings fan Line on'm
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Thanks to all of those listening on the greater Vikings
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iHeartRadio app. And oh how about this end of two
periods a fan family cool one O eight wild up
to nothing on the Winnipeg Jets. It was brock Faber
final couple minutes of the second period to make it
too nothing in favor of your favorite team. I'm excited
to do a Black Friday game Friday afternoon, going to

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the matinee at the x oh Grand Casino Arena. We're
gonna have to work on that Grand Casino Arena. Grand
Casino Arena Grand Casino Arena. Why am I talking about
the hockey team for the first sixty seconds of this
particular segment, because it pains me to talk about the
football team as they fall to four and seven. JJ
McCarthy trying to pull morsels in terms of his progression,

(01:29:05):
didn't see much today. Defense can't tackle the run game
without Josh Jacobs. You're thinking how much that might mean
to the Packers' offense, specifically Jordan Love. Well, you'd have
to stop the run to make it mean something to
Jordan Love. As Emmanuel Wilson goes for one oh seven
on the ground, nothing explosive, just a long run of twelve,
but he was consistent buck forty six, forty two carries.

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It felt pretty comfortable today. The Packers did. Helps when
you're playing with the lead. Helps when your team keeps
turning it over. So that's where we stand, and let's
jump to the phone lines here. Adam in Arizona, Adam,
Welcome to Vikings fan line.

Speaker 21 (01:29:42):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 9 (01:29:43):
How are you well?

Speaker 21 (01:29:45):
Thank you so good good ron. This is more directed
towards you. When does the how long did it take?

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
You know?

Speaker 21 (01:29:53):
When you're playing as bad and you're getting coached as bad,
and your GM and all the draftics are as bad.
How long does it take before the players start rebelling?

Speaker 10 (01:30:02):
Start this?

Speaker 21 (01:30:03):
You know, just not even which they may already have.
You're not listening to kot anymore, not having fun. You know,
give two rats asks about going out there playing, you
know how long before he starts seeing it? Making is
very obvious, you know when you get out on the
field and inside the lock of them, I guess is
probably the bigger question. And then you know, I, as

(01:30:25):
much as as I've said as I am about this
whole season, I just can't help but think that this
organization did it to themselves again with the starting quarterback
situation again. You let You had Kirk Cousin, which I
wasn't the huge Cousins a fan, but he was definitely
better than JJ. You had Daniel Jones, you had Sam Donold.
You let them both go, assuming that this twenty two

(01:30:47):
year old kid who threw thirty percent of the time
in college we'd come into the NFL fourteen and threeteen
and excel and actually do something. And then you and
then everybody surprised me. And the results are like this
because really, in reality, if you look back to the
last season. This started last season, we're at four and
nine now in the last thirteen games, and they most

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of them have not even been close. We had one
key win, which is the Detroit Lions win. But since then,
and really since the last second Gether, it's like their
last game the last season. There's been no fighting the team,
there's been no progression in the quarterback see and then
the season ticket holder, I guess my question to you
is why should I renew my tickets when I don't

(01:31:33):
see any future or anything that is, I don't look
forward to anything with this team moving forward because the
Wilts everybody in this organization.

Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Is so set.

Speaker 21 (01:31:45):
It seems like they're set on mediocrity. And they're so
afraid to call this coach out, so afraid to call
this GM out. The GM is terrible, Just say it.
He sucks at his job. The coach can't change. He
is the Zimmer of offense. He is so stubborn, and
so I'm willing to get out of his own way
to make changes and make adjustments that it's going to

(01:32:07):
cost him his job, you know. And all I hear
in the background is TikTok, TikTok, because that's that's really
the clock is ticking on these guys, and then I'm
not gonna gonna lie. It can't come soon enough as
far as I'm concerned. I know the nupupation with the quarterback,
but there is no progression nationally. These guys are getting
ripped from the top bottom about their decision to let

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other quarterbacks go and bring this guy in. And as
I said, we have no future. I have nothing to
look forward to you as far as this team.

Speaker 10 (01:32:36):
Goes in the future.

Speaker 21 (01:32:37):
So I know he's going to sugarcoat it and everybody's
gonna be nice to Kot and the media asks all
these softball questions. But when the summery's going to step
up and actually start holding these guys accountable and start
putting some fire to defeat and asking the tough questions,
you know, And it's frustrating as a fan. I fly
up every game. We have my wife and I at

(01:32:58):
Arizona where we're looking calib hownaway. Did the same thing
go overseas? You know, it's frustrating. It's frustrating as a fan,
and you know, why should I put my energy into
this team like that, I can not get anything in return.
And by the way, to find JJ eighteen. I'm trying
to get the hell out of here as soon as possible.
He needs to go because he's in the prime of

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his career and it's getting wasted.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
So all right, well I answer all those questions. I'm
gonna answer all your questions for you. Appreciate the call. Yeah, thanks,
thanks for the call.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
First of all, he's going to keep his tickets and
go to games because it's fun and that's what Minnesotans do.

Speaker 9 (01:33:31):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
First of all, let it out, loved it at him,
Appreciate it, and it's the couch, you know, sit sit
on our couch. We'll we'll listen to your problems people.

Speaker 9 (01:33:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
It's interesting though, he's going to go.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
He's gonna go to games. That's what That's what Vikings
fans do. Sure you go, like that's one two. I
don't know if there is an answer as far as
the Max Brozeman versus JJ McCarthy, right, I don't think
justin Jefferson, the answer is leaving unless there's like the
Eagles want you because a J. Brown, you know, wants
to leave. But I don't think AJ Brown wants to
come to this, so that's not an answer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Okay, but what about so to I mean, the crux
of it before, you know, it was more or less
just like let's get a first round pick and then
you just break it all down. So one thing though,
I am curious based on his call though, is when
when do you reach a point of a season. I
mean you can't predict you know, Jefferson requesting and trade this,
that and the other thing. And you know JJ brosm

(01:34:26):
or whatever. Team's got four wins and he's mentioned, you know,
draft picks, you bring in veterans with injury histories. We're
starting to see that play out on the field, the
mistackles like you know, the is there resentment potentially that Hey,
our defense goes out there, We're on the field freaking
forever and I just need something from the offense. It's
not happening twelve weeks into the season, that same competitive

(01:34:50):
fire that brought me to this point, maybe it starts
to peter out a bit. You know, how does that
work in the locker room? You know, I can't imagine
on defense, I'm not I got too much to think
about A lot of the times where I can't just
sit there and just be you know, infuriated at all
times by the offense. But how does that work in
terms of at some point in the season, players just

(01:35:10):
start looking around and it's like, huh, this is awful
and now I'm thinking God going to Cabo.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
Guys definitely lose faith in the situation, Like they might
not outwardly show it because you can't do that, like
I mean, unless you're Brandon Nyuk, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
You know, Brandon now youk is like, man, I screwed
this circle? So Keishean Johnson?

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
Remember when Keshan John's with the Buccaneers and Grooton said, hey,
look just don't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
We will pay you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
You can still win a super Bowl with us, But
this is not working out your personality with what we're
trying to do. It doesn't work right, Keishawn said out
they still won a super Bowl. It happens to the
degree of like who are you though, Like who are
you in the situation that you can do that. Certain
guys can do it and it won't put a red
mark on their resume, you know, Like I think people

(01:35:57):
would understand if justin Jefferson were to kind of lose
it a little bit, but I don't think that's in
his nature. Like, I don't think that's who Justin Jefferson is.
He's a great guy, Like, I don't think he would
do that, like Stefan Diggs faked the sickness and just
stayed home. You know, I'm sick, I don't feel good.
I'm not coming in, man, I remember being there for
that pressure, like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
You know, like at the hood on. Yeah, fake sickness,
like my head hurts, my tummy hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Like.

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
I don't think Justin Jefferson's that guy, but I do
think there's some frustration, like him and Keithan mccardelli probably
having conversations about this. I'm pretty sure, you know, like
you said, simplifying the offense, slants, hitches, bubble screens, like
the bubble screens that they didn't even work.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
But again, is that the code? How is it being
worded right?

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
Because there are certain words that say tunnel screen versus
bubble screen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Clearly either a word was off, something was off.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
Somebody didn't get the call right on the fourth and
one run, I'm gonna have to watch it back. But
three guys blocked one guy is, which is how I
think what Shan Gary came through and blew it up. Yeah,
somebody id'd the front incorrectly, meaning whoever they named the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Somebody counted wrong after that, Like if you you said
earlier it was just counting, you said it was so
eat it. It is simple, right.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
But like if the quarterback comes to the line the
script again pre snap, he's the best quarterback we've ever seen,
But if he's coming to line of scrimmage, he says
Mike fifty two or Mike whatever, Mike number one. I mean,
at one point the mic was freaking if Mike is
number one, If Michael Parson is the mic, I'm calling
time out because something's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Not right here.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
He's about to kill us. Like it's like seeing Michael
Myers come walking around the corner. You just keep trigger treating. No,
you go to the next state, you move, you get
out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
That's where when I saw Michael Parsons, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Why is he standing up on third down behind the
behind the dtacle Time out timeout, coach.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
We haven't talked about this one, Like, who's blocking him? Yeah,
how many are you gonna help me? Like Kevin Hart
when he was doing that comedian thing, help me help me?
Like that's what that's what I can't finish the rest
of it, maxims when neck comes next, But that's what
you have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Max may or may not know that one. Max knows. Yeah,
I know you know what's next.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
But somebody has to identify that, right, So if the
IDs are off, if the number counts off, like you said,
it's simple, but maybe it's not. Maybe there's too much
coaching in this. Fourth and one should not be a
tough run play. It should just be we're man blocking
these guys. Who's got who?

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Say it?

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
Like in basketball, you say who you're guarding. I got
Anthony Edwards, I got Lebron, I got this. Like, there's
no reason to hide what you're doing on fourth and
one when you're running the ball. Everybody should know who
they're blocking. But to the quarterback of this, there could
be something off. Now here's a text right from mem
right Pat Kesler's wife GMT at Fox, and she says,

(01:38:45):
why not have Max Brozman finish out the game when
it's essentially out of reach? And let JJ McCarthy learn
standing next to the quarterback coach or the head coach. Okay,
what's your thought to that? Like, are you opposed to that?
Because he didn't get to learn last year standing up?
He was, you know, he was on the boot Hey,
sky U my nation. I like Max Brosemur, just like

(01:39:06):
you like Max Brosmur. The kid we currently have in
that isn't progressing needs the rep But do you think
he learned from that though watching Max Brosman go through
the reps in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
See, but I don't know because I'm not seeing him
progress and learn on the field field right, Okay, but
we also like, I don't know if benching him is
the right answer. That could be mentally devastating. Maybe I
don't know. None of this has gone the right way.
He misses his entire rookie season. We got the ankle
bit that takes him out of what five games? Yep,
he has to play and Seattle is good, he has

(01:39:37):
to play. The next team up is good. So yes
they are. They're really good. And he's probably not going
to get better in Seattle either. And it's never been
good in Seattle's from Minnesota. It's never been good. At Seattle.
I don't know why they keep sending them there. I
get whatever, how do they have to keep going to Seattle?
I get what everybody's I get what everybody's saying, and
maybe maybe I'm just I'm just standing alone here the
final six games of the season, if JJ McCarthy get

(01:39:59):
the Packer and again, yeah, and they're gonna be here,
and we know how well it's gone at home, right,
and you got the Lions. I understand. I I can
get the schedule in fun, it's it's it's tough. I
think there's the Giants in the mix. They were game
that took the kiddies to overtime. Yeah, I get it. Yeah,
I'm just saying, oh, yeah, they did take that. My
vision of this is that if he is healthy enough

(01:40:21):
to play, he has to get to get every single
freaking rep. And if he loses every game going down
the stretch, and then what four and I live. Yeah,
well it's four and twelve, four and four thirteen, four
and thirteen, and you got a top five pick, and
then we can spend all off seasons. As the caller
did the season ticket holder saying the GM is bad

(01:40:42):
at his job, right, and so then we can spend
segments trying to figure out how we're going to not
mess up the top. I mean, you got Washington in
there too, though, so you could maybe beat the Commanders.
You got Dallas. I don't know about that one. I
think we're entering the territory. We're winning games no longer,
no longer matter. New York's the only give me. I
feel like New York and Washington might be the only
give me. Maybe. I think we're beyond the point where

(01:41:03):
winning the game matters is the it's the quarterback now.
Now I need the players to go out and you know,
they they want to perform at their best, which ultimately
then means collectively, if it happens, they're going to win
a game. But I think from my standpoint, the a
topic is is this going to work?

Speaker 9 (01:41:20):
Or is it not?

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Through six? It's definitely not work if it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
So JJ McCarthy does this the next six games looks
just like this eighty seven yards passing?

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Yeah, then you're investigating the combination of free agency in
the draft or potentially you know Max Max is going
to have that legit competition opportunity in twenty twenty six. Yeah,
it has to. Yeah, that's Vikings fan Line. We're going
to continue on a couple of short segments around the
corner before we pass the baton to Vikings overtime, including

(01:41:51):
for a team that didn't score a touchdown today. I
am going to find a local Chevy Dealers drive of
the game. I can't wait to do it, and that's
why you'll stick with us around the corner. I got
some talkbacks to fire off as we put a rap
on this thing. Twenty three to six the final at
Lambeau Vikings now four and seven. They lose to the Packers.
Vikings fan Line Ron Johnson's here, I'm Nordo fan and

(01:42:12):
the fan radio network. All right, welcome back fan Line.
Two more segments to go here, Let's fire off. Let's
fire off some talkbacks here.

Speaker 12 (01:42:26):
Hi, guys, say listen. I think what people are forgetting
a little bit is it? Max Brosmer and McCarthy both
were Big ten quarterbacks. They played in the same league,
they played against the same competition. So even though Brozemer
didn't get drafted, it doesn't mean that he might not
be better than McCarthy. I don't know the answer. I'm
just thinking that we're thinking about Brosemore a little bit wrong.

(01:42:48):
You should probably think of them as nearly equal and
then go from there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Thanks by Yeah, I'm not mad at I'm not mad
at that opinion at all. He's also what a year
and a half or so older. Again, I'm not I'm
not out on giving Brozmer a chance. I just think
maybe not right now. Second and third quarter? Yeah, go
first quarter McCarthy, second to third quarter, Roseman, then the
fourth quarter. Let McCarthy win it for the middle, for

(01:43:13):
the middle thirty.

Speaker 27 (01:43:15):
Hey guys, hey melo up here in Alaska?

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
What up?

Speaker 27 (01:43:18):
Hey, since the season's over, can they just play like
preseason now and put maybe jjy in for the first
half and rosemar in for the second half and then
see who's going to be good for next year? And
maybe should they bring in a bridge quarterback for next
year since McCarthy's obviously not ready yet.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Thanks, but yeah, thanks for the talkback. I will say
that maybe is becoming more of a gatsta in terms
of the competition at the quarterback season. We still we
still got time chance. They have a one percent chance
of making a playoffs at four and seven. Well, again,
it's I mean, so you're saying there's a chance for me.

(01:43:59):
You know, we move, We got to move our expectations
potentially to the idea of not getting to the postseason
as much as we are getting run out of the QB,
to see something could be a miracle story. That's what
what am I listening to right now? All right? That
Johnny Randall? Yeah little TV? Okay, I think that from

(01:44:21):
the still playing Oh Sweet Well soundtrack? Who was that
was that? Johnny Randall's just say it was John Randall,
Joe from Brooklyn Park going in.

Speaker 28 (01:44:33):
I know, you got to give JJ McCarthy time to
develop as a quarterback. But the reality is our coach
has the nickname quarterback Whisperer for a reason. You know,
we've seen him get four hundred yards of offensive production
out of Nick mallins, and granted that usually came with
two or three picks, but this guy's throwing two or
three picks anyway without the four hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
So maybe instead of.

Speaker 28 (01:44:53):
Being a quarterback whisperer KOs he should turn into a
quarterback screamer.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Thanks, I haven't thought of that. Potentially, the volume up
on which the in which the information is being offered
just needs to pump that up a little bit. How
about this, ladies and gentlemen, in a twenty three to
six game, the local Chevy Dealers brings you the drive
of the game. Now, I had many to choose from?
Is this the backers drive? Many snarky three and outs,

(01:45:18):
and just from a principal from a principal perspective, I
can't choose an Emmanuel Wilson touchdown or something like that.
I will choose a Vikings drive in which they open
the game seven plays, thirty one yards and kick the
field goal.

Speaker 29 (01:45:32):
This will be fifty two yards right hash and Andrew
de paul Is snaps, Ryan right holes, snap spot right kirt, big,
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Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
And that's your local Chevy Dealers drive of the game. Hey,
we can't be mad at the kicker. We can't be
mad at the punter. So there again, Silver Linings. In
every game your team is a four win Operations. They
lose today twenty three to six, but they did have
the lead. You just heard audio proof that just a
couple of minutes into that game, with twelve fifty three
remaining in the first quarter, the Vikings were ahead three

(01:46:11):
to zero. First quarter McCarthy. As we've already talked about
in detailed Vikings fan line, thank you so much to
our local Chevy Dealers drive of the game, hoping my
favorite team offers up more options. A week from today,
we'll pause final segment fan line around the corner as
we finalize our thoughts and hand things off to Saucy
and Max Fuller. Here on the fan final segment Vikings

(01:46:35):
fan line the baton Toss the cross talk for a
few minutes here featuring meet saus Paul Lambert of the
Power Trip Morning Show. He and Max Fuller taking over
for you. Here is we run you up to Sunday
night football coverage and eventually a Sunday night football game,
Wild on Cool one Away. We're up to nothing into
the second intermission and so you can check on them.

(01:46:56):
They're in Winnipeg. This evening loved the current winning ways
of the hockey team. Do not like the current losing
ways of the football team. Twenty three to six. The
final at Lambeau Border Battle Throttling at the hands of
the pack meets us, what do you think? What's ahead?
What is the prevailing theme for you?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
For a four win team, six to go, technically mathematically
still alive, they'd actually have to win basically every game.
So let's not let's not go nuts and start talking
about that kind of thing. Just what at this stage,
what we're seeing kids throwing two picks a game. It
feels like he's good for a couple turnovers a game,
no touchdowns today? What do you think it's weird?

Speaker 30 (01:47:35):
Because you know, I've listened to most of the show
and you always say it, Nordal, You're a rube.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
That's what makes this fun. You and I are rubes. Yeah, roube.
I'm a fan first correct. I'm going to root for
them to beat Sam Darnold and for the kid to
show a pulse our guy next week. I don't think
he can. Yeah, I just I'm not as negative as
it sounds.

Speaker 30 (01:47:56):
When we the play that we've talked about you, we
all talked about me, You and Ron talked about it
off the air.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
When you have those two players.

Speaker 31 (01:48:05):
Running a perfect route where you're gonna just dump it off,
not gun it, not some deep elaborate throw over the
middle right where where you were gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Dump it off basically to Jones, and he's just gonna
follow him up.

Speaker 30 (01:48:21):
For fifteen let a guy run, let the guy, let
the guy do the work for you when you can't
even do that because you're so gun shy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
I want the kid to succeed.

Speaker 11 (01:48:32):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
I was meeting him, they drafted him.

Speaker 30 (01:48:35):
We thought that was gonna be one of the best
nights in Vikings history, was that draft, because they got
their guy, then they got you know, their guy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Then they got Dallas Turner, who has played better. He's better, And.

Speaker 30 (01:48:49):
I don't know, like I we're at the point now
where like, do you trust the guy making the picks?

Speaker 31 (01:48:56):
Do you like?

Speaker 30 (01:48:57):
Yeah, you have no All we've talked about is how
much you've spent this offseason. You got no depth, zero
depth because of how many swings and misses. It's not
just one guy they have had in the draft, collaborati.

Speaker 31 (01:49:15):
You've missed on all of them except for Addison, who's useless.

Speaker 30 (01:49:19):
In this offense. And that's the quarterback. Uh, the best
wide receiver in football. Who have a different regime picked
your left guard? Is he did he not play the
second half? Was he hurt foot injury or ankle?

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Maybe?

Speaker 8 (01:49:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
And I like him though same, I love I think
he's fine. But like the Lewis Cne thing is terrible.
And even Dallas Turner then we've been waiting a while
to start seeing as sound sure the best player they've
ever drafted as well. Riker Man, he's good, isn't he?

Speaker 31 (01:49:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
But I like the kid Kicker. Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 30 (01:49:48):
When you don't have any depth and you don't have
anything like that, you're in trouble. When the first team
and I and you're you're one hundred thousand percent correct.
If Max Brosebern went to Toledo, no one would give
a rip, right, The Minnesota thing is whatever that Max.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Understand why it's happening. You have to play him.

Speaker 30 (01:50:07):
We have to play JJ has to do yes, because
if you go to Broswork it's essentially over. Yeah, for
a while, at least you gotta see what you got
in the kid. I thought maybe you'd play better on
the road. You've lost three straight. He's horrific. I mean,
you went punt punt, punt, interception, interception. That's hideous. That's

(01:50:27):
one of the worst second halfs of football I've ever seen.
And we lived through forty one meat sauce against the
Giants in that NFC champion four yards of offense in
the second four. Yeah, four, it's a total system failure.
I think that's the type two. Actually, I'm still going
to say that they lost a yard.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Yeah, you think it's three. I think, well, I have
no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
They got fourteen yards in the fourth and then the
negative ten quickly they went uh in the third quarter,
they went three plays two yards, three plays negative twelve yards.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, three plays minus seventeen. Now we're seventeen under one
play interception. Five plays twenty six yards in an interception,
So technically that's minus one. Yeah, based on the ESPN
drive chart. So where did this? Where do these other
five mysterious yards come from? I don't trust it, Ron,
but I'm just.

Speaker 5 (01:51:16):
Going off the official stat sheet from NFLGSIS. That's it,
unless they're going to update it. I mean, we'll check
again later tonight once the official one gets entered in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Let's let's do this, let's pass the baton. Excited on
my way home to hear you and Max Fuller as well.
Vikings lose twenty ninety to the quarterback. They're now four
and seven, and well, I just let the kid play
it out. I can't. I'm I'm going to figure it
out before nine to noon tomorrow, but I'm struggling with

(01:51:47):
the optimism as we enter this stage of the season
right now. Thank you so much for listening, to appreciate
the calls and texts and talkbacks and all of that.
Thanks to Ron Johnson for joining Max Fuller for producing
cool computer noise is all of those things I'm thankful
for on a Sunday next up at Seattle, But live
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(01:52:07):
Rainy Days and Mondays. Montage nine to noon style kicks
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