December 5, 2025 • 22 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The cricket Rickett Man.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Come here. Hey everybody, welcome into another episode of The Tailgate,
brought to you by Ticketmaster. I'm your host, Siaminson across
from me, your co host, the great Chad Daniels and
Chatty Daddy. Uh not an awesome time to be a
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Viking fan?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Disagree?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, I mean it's always a good time, but it's
it is. So I think having this show the last
few years, and I don't mind this at all. I
like this, but a lot of fans who listen to
our other show and this show, who are also Viking fans,
you just wind up in a lot of conversations. Sure,
you become a bouncing point for people's thoughts and ideas.
And when the team scores zero points for the first
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time since two thousand seven and people start throwing stuff
your direction, yep, they start going, this is what's happening.
This is what's happening. And so I don't think anybody
thought we would be here right right. But what I
told a bunch of people in the DMS, as the
kids say, and I'm not trying to be sunny side up,
is I just here's the thing. Sports are an escape
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for me. They're a place for joy, and when they
become not joy filled from a winning standpoint, I still
have to frame them that way because I'm not going
to be somebody who walks around miserable because a sports
team is losing. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's not wow. Then I'd like to know what is
making you miserable?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But so much other stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, there must be. There must be.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think, listen, everybody ups the annie, everybody makes it
more crazy than it needs to be. And I still
think this team has a lot of positives.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well and to me, you know, and I don't even
need to be mister positive guy. I just like, here's
big takeaway because I've been lucky enough to be a
part of the organization for a while now. Like and
I told people this in the DMS, when you at
the end of the season, they release these organizational grades
and and there, how do you do from a player
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rehabilitation standpoint? What's your food like like? And the vikings,
every aspect of the organization, all these things you never
think about as a fan. The vikings are always right
at the top. They're one or two in all the grades.
And I think that's why they attract high end coaches
like Flores Josh McCown. I think that's why, you know,
assistant coaches. I think that's why it was such a
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coveted head coaching position. It's just a really well run group.
And so to me, when you get in a moment
like this, whereas I think with other teams you might
like and other sports like, sometimes it can feel destitute,
right or hopeless if I used words I don't understand correctly.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Uh, and you always do.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Hey, I'm not going to stop me from trying, right,
But I continue to believe that the number one thing
in sports is ownership and organizational structure. Especially in the NFL,
where it's a true salary cap sport, there is real parody.
Look at what's happening in the NFL right now. Like
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jur producer said this before the show, there's a real
scenario where the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs all
missed the playoffs. Yeah, the the Bears are that tied
for the number one seed.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I know they are, and we gave them hell both games. Dude,
think of how we were so close on the second game.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Do you think of how like how short of a
distance it is between right now and when that debacle
happened on Thanksgiving, like, and now they're the number one seed, right,
and so in these moments like I can't tell you
to not be upset. I think the people who are
the most upset are the people actually participating.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You can see it on their faces.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, they're they're they're upset. So I like to remind
people that I think we do have a really strong organization,
and I don't think they're gonna go a long direction
away from turning the right corner. I don't know when,
I don't know how, but I but I that's kind
of where I put all my positivity in moments like this,
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because I remember what it was like when we didn't
have an organization like that, right.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And I also want to say here regarding the quarterback situation,
Sam Darnold was a great quarterback before he got here, right,
He was good with the jet. He didn't have an offense,
and then he sat behind guys and.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So he he was good. He went in the first round.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
He gets here, he's got a great offense, and he
performs right. It's not like the air in Mi, Minnesota
pumped his right arm up. I mean We have to
remember that the two people were talking about here, JJ
McCarthy and Max Brosmer is like, they're young kids. And
I've said this before on the show. They're gonna struggle,
there's gonna be growing pains, and there's gonna be problems.
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But I don't think giving up on him. I mean,
you know, I wonder if if all the all the
people having trouble with this listening right now, when they're
when their children weren't walking by the time they were
four months old, they thought, well, that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I guess we just buy him a chair.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I guess we drag him for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I guess we just give him a lazy boy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, the other question I've gotten a lot from people
is how you know, Oh no, Justin. Justin Jefferson is
the guy I'm the least concerned about in the history
of you know this, This is a fan base like
fairness to this city. They have lost sports loves right.
KG goes to Boston wins titles or Ties, goes to
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Bustin wins titles. Randy Moss gone like Steph Marberry breaks
up the original Power duo.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They're like, you know who never left I'm just gonna
throw out, you know who never left Joe Mauer. Even
when Alex Rodriguez was knocking his championship ring on a table.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
When they were all together, he still said, no chance.
It's a great story.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I always forget about that. You know. One thing I
wish that we could change is Minnesota fans that I'm
kind of tired of. And I'm gonna go at the
fans here a little bit so you can reel me
back in. We're actually not that special. We act like
we're like we have a really long championship drought. That
is true for the four major sports. It's absurd. But
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we like, we're not the only organization to miss a kick.
We're not the only like, go look at all we
talked about the Browns earlier year. There's a lot of
like almost every organization has a series of plays where
they go the interception, the kick, like things that have
screwed them.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So yeah, it's the the something. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So I don't think you need to sit around. And
I think Justin Jefferson is this high team character related
of a guy, and I like that he's upset. You know,
you want your or he appears upset I would say frustrated,
it's the better word.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, like you want that?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now, what I will tell you, Chad is did I
am I in Paul Charchion's official Guillotine League league like
the one with the Paul with the Paul himself? And
did I play it so exceptionally this year where I
had the most money? And did I get a chance
at Justin Jefferson oh before the Lions game or so,
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and take a swing and spend a lot of my
free agency dollars?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And am I worried as I head into the playoffs
with my first chance ever at a title that that decision?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So do it?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Do I have? Listen, I'm heavily invested sure in Justin
Jefferson's performance, and even I not worried about the dude
at all.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Two things, I'm in a different league with you, and
I see where your standings are, and I'm not worried
about you having to be worried about anything because you're
not good at it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And secondly, you.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Get you get so many people talking about we haven't
had a title in forever, and you go, what about
eighty seven?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
What about ninety one? With the twins?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And then you get kids going like, oh I wasn't born.
Then it's like, well you should have tried harder to
be born back when in this state.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I've said that for years? Is it time I've thought
about like, do we have enough the Guillotine Leagues? Have
you played Guillotine League before?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I have? Yet?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Are you still in the Are you still in the
Tim Harmsten absolutely, friend of the show. I can't do
regular fantasy because.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Regular fantasy can't do you.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It doesn't I don't need that. I don't feel like
there's a lot of skill in it. It's just whoever,
whoever drafted Jonathan Taylor in the fourth round this year
because nobody thought he was gonna be good. Guess what,
that's who's probably gonna win your league.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, but you don't play one guy.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You play two running backs or quarterback, two receivers, a
tight end, a defense, a kicker, and a swing.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know, I'm right. It's called the flex i like
the Guillotine League for those who aren't familiar, because everybody
Vante Adams.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I took to DeVante Adams and you're gonna tell me that's lucky,
that's a still dude.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I washed him in receiver.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I like his adages and I love that he has
a taco bell in his house, so I took him
thinking like that nutrition plus the new Rams offense boo yeah,
and guess what I am winning?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Winning, winning.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do you like the Guillotine League?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So for those who aren't familiar, everybody you get like
sixteen or seventeen guys. Everybody plays. Everybody the lowest scorach
week is kicked out. You have a certain amount of
free agency dollars all year to spend, and you blindly
bid on the players of the guy who got kicked
out each week. It is if everybody is heavily invested
in the way the game is played, it's the most
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fun fantasy game I've ever played. If not everybody is,
somebody gets like Saquon Barkley for a dollar and the
whole league is pointless. But if everybody's invested, I'm obsessed
with it. Do you think I've been I've been waiting
on this because you don't like to get involved. You
and I are two tangled, right. I think I think
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we're involved in too many things together.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, there's no question your son or other podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Dude, our other other podcasts that hasn't come out yet.
Size Gray's Anatomy, a Gray's Anatomy review podcast where I
tell you about each episode as I watch.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It, and then I just reply that your son is
my son.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
The But I do think we should intertwine deeper, and
I think we should start a comedian's guillotine league.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Nobody will take it serious.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Here's the problem with But then do we do a
non comedian's gillotine.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We have to we have to find some people that
really care about winning. Yeah, because comedians, comedians, especially now
comedians are like, I don't want to win. I just
want to have fun, and I want to make sure
everyone else has fun. Comedians right now are great grandmas.
I just want everybody to tie.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I want to talk about why losing matters. I want
to talk about why losing is good for you. Yeah,
why is that?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Who are we doing? I know who we're doing. Mike
Croning very specific, micron very specifically, Mike Cronin. That's a
shot that not everybody in the audience is going to understand.
But your Minnesota Vikings are playing Washington this week. I'm
I'm going to remain curious as we go forward. That's
where I'm going to say, let's go to commercial. I
want to talk a little bit about because I will
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unwind if I focus too hard on where we're at.
I want to focus a little bit on the insanity
that is the rest of the league. Sure, So, can
we come back from break and talk about that?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I hope so oh, I hope so too.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
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to talk about the rest of them.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, look, let me throw this out. Let me throw
this out. First, I hate to interrupt you, but I
do want to use this segment to let people know
that are listening that if you have your headphones plugged
into your computer and you have slippers on and it's winter,
don't drag your feet on the carpet when your headphones
are in because an electric bolt will go from one
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headphone to the other and it will fry your brain.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Anyways, I feel great, that hurt. What were you saying.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You look like somebody who just got all their pain erase,
but also their abilities and memories. That's the look on
your face.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh yeah, I'm Jim Carrey and the Spotless Sunshine whatever
that movie.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Is nailed it. All three underdogs win on Thanksgiving. Yeah,
Green Bay beats Detroit, Dallas beats Kansas City, Cincinnati beats Baltimore,
and we're in just this really weird place. Like we mentioned,
the three perennial powerhouses in THEFC could all miss the playoffs.
Chicago somehow beats Philly. Like, let me tell you something
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about our fan base. Our fan base is upset, frustrated.
But I'll tell you what our fan base isn't doing
when we are one of the top teams in the
NFC and we lose an important game against another top
team in the NFC. We're not going out and egging
the offensive coordinator's house, which is what people in Philly
are doing.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean, and on their way to the house, they're
still eating cop horse crap.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They did that when they won the Super Bowl? Did
they did that when they want? Of course, somebody's getting
egged when they lose.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You know, A shout out to the Vikes defense against
the Bears in that second game. That was unbelievable performance.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The Chicago thing is interesting to me because on one hand,
you're like, well, you can't deny nine to three. It
would be so insane for all of a sudden, like wait,
are the Bears are the actual number one seed? They
are succeeding in end of games at a rate that
is pretty rare, and you get a lot of credit
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for that, And then you also wonder can it hold up?
And I gotta tell you I need it not to
hold up. I don't want to wish a whole city
a big loser, you know, a big losing moment. But
I don't need this universe where the Bears are the
best team in art and only because I know how
good Green Band Detroit area. I don't like that future.
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I need some crumbling to happen in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, yeah, it has to.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think just coordinators need to realize that if you
have a fourteen point lead, a last minute touchdown isn't
going to matter, So you just need to take care
of that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You need to wrap that up against the Bears.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
The Niners are I think they're m pick to go,
and I know no one agrees with that, but I
think it's just because of the narratives early in the
season and the roster turnover. Basically, the NFC West is
doing what the NFC North did last season. Rams are
nine and three, they're technically the two seed tied record wise.
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Seahawks are nine and three technically like they're the five seed.
The Niners are nine and four, they're the seven seed.
But I think when it's all said and done, you
might go, oh, the Niners pulled it together at the
exact right time, and oh yeah, we forgot rock Perty
and their whole team. They're like, really, really, really good
at football.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Did you have the Rams picked as your favorite there
before the Panther game.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I had the Rams picked as a potential, like one
of the teams that I thought was most likely to
come out in the preseason. Okay, I just think they
are so well coached and that when we lost to
them in the playoffs last year, that defense, you found
out how old some of those guys were, and you went, oh,
this it felt like you remember when the OKC thunder
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had Harden, Durant and Russ Westbrook all like on early contracts, Like, well,
this will probably be some version of a problem going forward.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah you go, oh, man, I had their shoes in college.
This isn't going to go great.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You had their shoes you weren't you in your you
went to college in your fifties.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah? Yeah, non traditional student? You ever heard of it?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Non trad you're back to school mode.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
On the bubble, Detroit, Dallas, and Carolina. I didn't see
Carolina being there. I certainly didn't see Detroit down here.
If there's a universe where Detroit, Buffalo, the Bengals, which
will put that, I'm on the outscrews because they having
a good season because Joe Burrow is hurt. But the Bengals,
the Chiefs, and the Ravens all don't make it what
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a it's kind of what I'm saying, what a bizarro universe?
And it's this feels like the best version of the
NFL since Tom Brady retired. This one year where you go,
I actually don't know. Every year, you felt like it'll
probably be the Chiefs. If not, it's the Bills. Right now,
I don't know in the AFC, and I for sure
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don't know in the NFC. It feels more like a
real we're coming up on a real tournament.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be good. And I love
fresh blood. Right, you get sick of going, oh, it's
these two again. I can't stand it. Even when it's
the same two in the final four. It bothers me.
I want fresh blood. And you won't to talk about
the Patriots, Dude, Drake May is leading that team.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's unbelievable, Dude, watching those guys.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And Denver's defense is so good and Sean Pai. That's
the thing. When you have an offensive coach that good
and a defense that good, it's just gonna be weird.
You just look at standing and you go New England, Denver, Jacksonville,
and I love me some Jacksonville. Yeah, I need one
of two things. I either need a villain that I'm
rooting against, which I like Patrick Mahomes. It's not fun
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to have the chiefs of the villain, or I need
this like, oh my god, I don't really know these teams.
Any of them could take it. Like I know, it's
crazy to say I could find myself rooting for New
England in the game because they had all that success
for years. But I like Rabel and I really like
watching Drake May.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, he's a solid, solid quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And I think when you get fresh blood, it's like
watching the March Madness. Yes, when a team hasn't been
in ever before, and so all they do is run
stories on all the coaches and all the players, and
you're four games into this tournament and they keep winning
as the underdog, and before the game you're like having
to have a box of tissues there because you're weeping
about one of the stories.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's the kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I like, Man, if my team's not in it, teach
me something and let me watch something awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, And and then you look at the games going
into week fourteen and they're nuts. You have Dallas Detroit
where these are two teams right on the edge and
whoever loses this one there's in it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. They both need it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
They both need it, and they're both so good offensively
that that could be an incredible game to watch. You
have Indy Jacksonville, Jacksonville trying to hold onto that spot
in Indy's kind of sputtering with two straight losses. And
then and I know it might happen sometimes it's just time.
But the most insane take in the NFL right now
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is Mike Tomlin shouldn't be our coach anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I know people are booing, they're saying, fire Tomlin, get
out of here.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
What are you even?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love our coach, but let's let's make me the
head of a brand new fake team and you give
me a Mike Tomlin to start an organization. Yeah, I
would be running around high fiving people. And and it's
just nuts that Baltimore Pittsburgh game. Baltimore is favored by
almost a touchdown. That'll be a really intense match given
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everything that's going on. And then we get to Chicago
and Green Bay. Yeah, and it's just an all time
bleep you moment for the Bears if they want it right,
the Packers have owned green Bay forever, and you have
a chance at nine to three to go in six
and a half point underdogs and drop it on their face.
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Yeah what like again, I'm not rooting for the Bears.
I don't want success for the Bears, but I can
understand one of those moments where you get to show
everybody up and it's an all time opportunity.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
This is like watching the two kids that used to
bully you in in elementary school fight.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You go. I don't want any of them to win somehow.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But I certainly don't want big market.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I don't want Yeah, I don't want there to even
be a tie. I somehow want both of them to lose.
I want each team to get penali so severely that
they both have to put a loss on their record, and.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's all we can help for. Let's let that be
Instead of doing a game prediction. Chad and I's prediction
is that Green Bay and Chicago will tie, which is
essentially an unhelpful blemish on both of their records.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You know what I think is interesting is green Bay
because they tied, it actually did help them because they
have even though they have one less win, they have
one less loss, and so they are actually above somebody
with one more win.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't get it, but they need wins right now,
and so let's give them. Let's give them each a
half loss, so we call it a tie, half win,
half loss. That's gonna do it for us on the tailgate, Chad,
I care about you. I hope, I hope deeply that
our techt thread is a fun one this weekend.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh, I can't wait. I listen.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I watched the Commanders, I watched them in their last game,
and I'm excited to put purple against them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Mur you will hear from both of us again next week.
That's gonna do it for us on the tailgate. Thanks
to Chad, Thanks to all you for listening. Remember check
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Come here. Hey everybody, welcome into another episode of The Tailgate,
brought to you by Ticketmaster. I'm your host, Siaminson across
from me, your co host, the great Chad Daniels and
Chatty Daddy. Uh not an awesome time to be a
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Viking fan?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Disagree?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, I mean it's always a good time, but it's
it is. So I think having this show the last
few years, and I don't mind this at all. I
like this, but a lot of fans who listen to
our other show and this show, who are also Viking fans,
you just wind up in a lot of conversations. Sure,
you become a bouncing point for people's thoughts and ideas.
And when the team scores zero points for the first
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time since two thousand seven and people start throwing stuff
your direction, yep, they start going, this is what's happening.
This is what's happening. And so I don't think anybody
thought we would be here right right. But what I
told a bunch of people in the DMS, as the
kids say, and I'm not trying to be sunny side up,
is I just here's the thing. Sports are an escape
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for me. They're a place for joy, and when they
become not joy filled from a winning standpoint, I still
have to frame them that way because I'm not going
to be somebody who walks around miserable because a sports
team is losing. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's not wow. Then I'd like to know what is
making you miserable?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But so much other stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, there must be. There must be.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think, listen, everybody ups the annie, everybody makes it
more crazy than it needs to be. And I still
think this team has a lot of positives.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well and to me, you know, and I don't even
need to be mister positive guy. I just like, here's
big takeaway because I've been lucky enough to be a
part of the organization for a while now. Like and
I told people this in the DMS, when you at
the end of the season, they release these organizational grades
and and there, how do you do from a player
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rehabilitation standpoint? What's your food like like? And the vikings,
every aspect of the organization, all these things you never
think about as a fan. The vikings are always right
at the top. They're one or two in all the grades.
And I think that's why they attract high end coaches
like Flores Josh McCown. I think that's why, you know,
assistant coaches. I think that's why it was such a
(02:37):
coveted head coaching position. It's just a really well run group.
And so to me, when you get in a moment
like this, whereas I think with other teams you might
like and other sports like, sometimes it can feel destitute,
right or hopeless if I used words I don't understand correctly.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Uh, and you always do.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Hey, I'm not going to stop me from trying, right,
But I continue to believe that the number one thing
in sports is ownership and organizational structure. Especially in the NFL,
where it's a true salary cap sport, there is real parody.
Look at what's happening in the NFL right now. Like
(03:23):
jur producer said this before the show, there's a real
scenario where the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs all
missed the playoffs. Yeah, the the Bears are that tied
for the number one seed.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I know they are, and we gave them hell both games. Dude,
think of how we were so close on the second game.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Do you think of how like how short of a
distance it is between right now and when that debacle
happened on Thanksgiving, like, and now they're the number one seed, right,
and so in these moments like I can't tell you
to not be upset. I think the people who are
the most upset are the people actually participating.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You can see it on their faces.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, they're they're they're upset. So I like to remind
people that I think we do have a really strong organization,
and I don't think they're gonna go a long direction
away from turning the right corner. I don't know when,
I don't know how, but I but I that's kind
of where I put all my positivity in moments like this,
(04:29):
because I remember what it was like when we didn't
have an organization like that, right.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And I also want to say here regarding the quarterback situation,
Sam Darnold was a great quarterback before he got here, right,
He was good with the jet. He didn't have an offense,
and then he sat behind guys and.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So he he was good. He went in the first round.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
He gets here, he's got a great offense, and he
performs right. It's not like the air in Mi, Minnesota
pumped his right arm up. I mean We have to
remember that the two people were talking about here, JJ
McCarthy and Max Brosmer is like, they're young kids. And
I've said this before on the show. They're gonna struggle,
there's gonna be growing pains, and there's gonna be problems.
(05:15):
But I don't think giving up on him. I mean,
you know, I wonder if if all the all the
people having trouble with this listening right now, when they're
when their children weren't walking by the time they were
four months old, they thought, well, that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I guess we just buy him a chair.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I guess we drag him for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I guess we just give him a lazy boy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, the other question I've gotten a lot from people
is how you know, Oh no, Justin. Justin Jefferson is
the guy I'm the least concerned about in the history
of you know this, This is a fan base like
fairness to this city. They have lost sports loves right.
KG goes to Boston wins titles or Ties, goes to
(05:59):
Bustin wins titles. Randy Moss gone like Steph Marberry breaks
up the original Power duo.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They're like, you know who never left I'm just gonna
throw out, you know who never left Joe Mauer. Even
when Alex Rodriguez was knocking his championship ring on a table.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
When they were all together, he still said, no chance.
It's a great story.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I always forget about that. You know. One thing I
wish that we could change is Minnesota fans that I'm
kind of tired of. And I'm gonna go at the
fans here a little bit so you can reel me
back in. We're actually not that special. We act like
we're like we have a really long championship drought. That
is true for the four major sports. It's absurd. But
(06:42):
we like, we're not the only organization to miss a kick.
We're not the only like, go look at all we
talked about the Browns earlier year. There's a lot of
like almost every organization has a series of plays where
they go the interception, the kick, like things that have
screwed them.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So yeah, it's the the something. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So I don't think you need to sit around. And
I think Justin Jefferson is this high team character related
of a guy, and I like that he's upset. You know,
you want your or he appears upset I would say frustrated,
it's the better word.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, like you want that?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now, what I will tell you, Chad is did I
am I in Paul Charchion's official Guillotine League league like
the one with the Paul with the Paul himself? And
did I play it so exceptionally this year where I
had the most money? And did I get a chance
at Justin Jefferson oh before the Lions game or so,
(07:37):
and take a swing and spend a lot of my
free agency dollars?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And am I worried as I head into the playoffs
with my first chance ever at a title that that decision?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So do it?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Do I have? Listen, I'm heavily invested sure in Justin
Jefferson's performance, and even I not worried about the dude
at all.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Two things, I'm in a different league with you, and
I see where your standings are, and I'm not worried
about you having to be worried about anything because you're
not good at it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And secondly, you.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Get you get so many people talking about we haven't
had a title in forever, and you go, what about
eighty seven?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
What about ninety one? With the twins?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And then you get kids going like, oh I wasn't born.
Then it's like, well you should have tried harder to
be born back when in this state.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I've said that for years? Is it time I've thought
about like, do we have enough the Guillotine Leagues? Have
you played Guillotine League before?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I have? Yet?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Are you still in the Are you still in the
Tim Harmsten absolutely, friend of the show. I can't do
regular fantasy because.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Regular fantasy can't do you.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It doesn't I don't need that. I don't feel like
there's a lot of skill in it. It's just whoever,
whoever drafted Jonathan Taylor in the fourth round this year
because nobody thought he was gonna be good. Guess what,
that's who's probably gonna win your league.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, but you don't play one guy.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You play two running backs or quarterback, two receivers, a
tight end, a defense, a kicker, and a swing.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know, I'm right. It's called the flex i like
the Guillotine League for those who aren't familiar, because everybody
Vante Adams.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I took to DeVante Adams and you're gonna tell me that's lucky,
that's a still dude.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I washed him in receiver.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I like his adages and I love that he has
a taco bell in his house, so I took him
thinking like that nutrition plus the new Rams offense boo yeah,
and guess what I am winning?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Winning, winning.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do you like the Guillotine League?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So for those who aren't familiar, everybody you get like
sixteen or seventeen guys. Everybody plays. Everybody the lowest scorach
week is kicked out. You have a certain amount of
free agency dollars all year to spend, and you blindly
bid on the players of the guy who got kicked
out each week. It is if everybody is heavily invested
in the way the game is played, it's the most
(09:52):
fun fantasy game I've ever played. If not everybody is,
somebody gets like Saquon Barkley for a dollar and the
whole league is pointless. But if everybody's invested, I'm obsessed
with it. Do you think I've been I've been waiting
on this because you don't like to get involved. You
and I are two tangled, right. I think I think
(10:12):
we're involved in too many things together.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, there's no question your son or other podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Dude, our other other podcasts that hasn't come out yet.
Size Gray's Anatomy, a Gray's Anatomy review podcast where I
tell you about each episode as I watch.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It, and then I just reply that your son is
my son.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
The But I do think we should intertwine deeper, and
I think we should start a comedian's guillotine league.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Nobody will take it serious.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Here's the problem with But then do we do a
non comedian's gillotine.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We have to we have to find some people that
really care about winning. Yeah, because comedians, comedians, especially now
comedians are like, I don't want to win. I just
want to have fun, and I want to make sure
everyone else has fun. Comedians right now are great grandmas.
I just want everybody to tie.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I want to talk about why losing matters. I want
to talk about why losing is good for you. Yeah,
why is that?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Who are we doing? I know who we're doing. Mike
Croning very specific, micron very specifically, Mike Cronin. That's a
shot that not everybody in the audience is going to understand.
But your Minnesota Vikings are playing Washington this week. I'm
I'm going to remain curious as we go forward. That's
where I'm going to say, let's go to commercial. I
want to talk a little bit about because I will
(11:30):
unwind if I focus too hard on where we're at.
I want to focus a little bit on the insanity
that is the rest of the league. Sure, So, can
we come back from break and talk about that?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I hope so oh, I hope so too.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
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to talk about the rest of them.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, look, let me throw this out. Let me throw
this out. First, I hate to interrupt you, but I
do want to use this segment to let people know
that are listening that if you have your headphones plugged
into your computer and you have slippers on and it's winter,
don't drag your feet on the carpet when your headphones
are in because an electric bolt will go from one
(12:49):
headphone to the other and it will fry your brain.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Anyways, I feel great, that hurt. What were you saying.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You look like somebody who just got all their pain erase,
but also their abilities and memories. That's the look on
your face.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh yeah, I'm Jim Carrey and the Spotless Sunshine whatever
that movie.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Is nailed it. All three underdogs win on Thanksgiving. Yeah,
Green Bay beats Detroit, Dallas beats Kansas City, Cincinnati beats Baltimore,
and we're in just this really weird place. Like we mentioned,
the three perennial powerhouses in THEFC could all miss the playoffs.
Chicago somehow beats Philly. Like, let me tell you something
(13:29):
about our fan base. Our fan base is upset, frustrated.
But I'll tell you what our fan base isn't doing
when we are one of the top teams in the
NFC and we lose an important game against another top
team in the NFC. We're not going out and egging
the offensive coordinator's house, which is what people in Philly
are doing.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean, and on their way to the house, they're
still eating cop horse crap.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They did that when they won the Super Bowl? Did
they did that when they want? Of course, somebody's getting
egged when they lose.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You know, A shout out to the Vikes defense against
the Bears in that second game. That was unbelievable performance.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The Chicago thing is interesting to me because on one hand,
you're like, well, you can't deny nine to three. It
would be so insane for all of a sudden, like wait,
are the Bears are the actual number one seed? They
are succeeding in end of games at a rate that
is pretty rare, and you get a lot of credit
(14:33):
for that, And then you also wonder can it hold up?
And I gotta tell you I need it not to
hold up. I don't want to wish a whole city
a big loser, you know, a big losing moment. But
I don't need this universe where the Bears are the
best team in art and only because I know how
good Green Band Detroit area. I don't like that future.
(14:55):
I need some crumbling to happen in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, yeah, it has to.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think just coordinators need to realize that if you
have a fourteen point lead, a last minute touchdown isn't
going to matter, So you just need to take care
of that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You need to wrap that up against the Bears.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
The Niners are I think they're m pick to go,
and I know no one agrees with that, but I
think it's just because of the narratives early in the
season and the roster turnover. Basically, the NFC West is
doing what the NFC North did last season. Rams are
nine and three, they're technically the two seed tied record wise.
(15:32):
Seahawks are nine and three technically like they're the five seed.
The Niners are nine and four, they're the seven seed.
But I think when it's all said and done, you
might go, oh, the Niners pulled it together at the
exact right time, and oh yeah, we forgot rock Perty
and their whole team. They're like, really, really, really good
at football.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Did you have the Rams picked as your favorite there
before the Panther game.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I had the Rams picked as a potential, like one
of the teams that I thought was most likely to
come out in the preseason. Okay, I just think they
are so well coached and that when we lost to
them in the playoffs last year, that defense, you found
out how old some of those guys were, and you went, oh,
this it felt like you remember when the OKC thunder
(16:20):
had Harden, Durant and Russ Westbrook all like on early contracts, Like, well,
this will probably be some version of a problem going forward.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah you go, oh, man, I had their shoes in college.
This isn't going to go great.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You had their shoes you weren't you in your you
went to college in your fifties.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah? Yeah, non traditional student? You ever heard of it?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Non trad you're back to school mode.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
On the bubble, Detroit, Dallas, and Carolina. I didn't see
Carolina being there. I certainly didn't see Detroit down here.
If there's a universe where Detroit, Buffalo, the Bengals, which
will put that, I'm on the outscrews because they having
a good season because Joe Burrow is hurt. But the Bengals,
the Chiefs, and the Ravens all don't make it what
(17:06):
a it's kind of what I'm saying, what a bizarro universe?
And it's this feels like the best version of the
NFL since Tom Brady retired. This one year where you go,
I actually don't know. Every year, you felt like it'll
probably be the Chiefs. If not, it's the Bills. Right now,
I don't know in the AFC, and I for sure
(17:26):
don't know in the NFC. It feels more like a
real we're coming up on a real tournament.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be good. And I love
fresh blood. Right, you get sick of going, oh, it's
these two again. I can't stand it. Even when it's
the same two in the final four. It bothers me.
I want fresh blood. And you won't to talk about
the Patriots, Dude, Drake May is leading that team.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's unbelievable, Dude, watching those guys.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And Denver's defense is so good and Sean Pai. That's
the thing. When you have an offensive coach that good
and a defense that good, it's just gonna be weird.
You just look at standing and you go New England, Denver, Jacksonville,
and I love me some Jacksonville. Yeah, I need one
of two things. I either need a villain that I'm
rooting against, which I like Patrick Mahomes. It's not fun
(18:18):
to have the chiefs of the villain, or I need
this like, oh my god, I don't really know these teams.
Any of them could take it. Like I know, it's
crazy to say I could find myself rooting for New
England in the game because they had all that success
for years. But I like Rabel and I really like
watching Drake May.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, he's a solid, solid quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And I think when you get fresh blood, it's like
watching the March Madness. Yes, when a team hasn't been
in ever before, and so all they do is run
stories on all the coaches and all the players, and
you're four games into this tournament and they keep winning
as the underdog, and before the game you're like having
to have a box of tissues there because you're weeping
about one of the stories.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's the kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I like, Man, if my team's not in it, teach
me something and let me watch something awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, And and then you look at the games going
into week fourteen and they're nuts. You have Dallas Detroit
where these are two teams right on the edge and
whoever loses this one there's in it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. They both need it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
They both need it, and they're both so good offensively
that that could be an incredible game to watch. You
have Indy Jacksonville, Jacksonville trying to hold onto that spot
in Indy's kind of sputtering with two straight losses. And
then and I know it might happen sometimes it's just time.
But the most insane take in the NFL right now
(19:37):
is Mike Tomlin shouldn't be our coach anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I know people are booing, they're saying, fire Tomlin, get
out of here.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
What are you even?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love our coach, but let's let's make me the
head of a brand new fake team and you give
me a Mike Tomlin to start an organization. Yeah, I
would be running around high fiving people. And and it's
just nuts that Baltimore Pittsburgh game. Baltimore is favored by
almost a touchdown. That'll be a really intense match given
(20:09):
everything that's going on. And then we get to Chicago
and Green Bay. Yeah, and it's just an all time
bleep you moment for the Bears if they want it right,
the Packers have owned green Bay forever, and you have
a chance at nine to three to go in six
and a half point underdogs and drop it on their face.
(20:31):
Yeah what like again, I'm not rooting for the Bears.
I don't want success for the Bears, but I can
understand one of those moments where you get to show
everybody up and it's an all time opportunity.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
This is like watching the two kids that used to
bully you in in elementary school fight.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You go. I don't want any of them to win somehow.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But I certainly don't want big market.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I don't want Yeah, I don't want there to even
be a tie. I somehow want both of them to lose.
I want each team to get penali so severely that
they both have to put a loss on their record, and.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's all we can help for. Let's let that be
Instead of doing a game prediction. Chad and I's prediction
is that Green Bay and Chicago will tie, which is
essentially an unhelpful blemish on both of their records.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You know what I think is interesting is green Bay
because they tied, it actually did help them because they
have even though they have one less win, they have
one less loss, and so they are actually above somebody
with one more win.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't get it, but they need wins right now,
and so let's give them. Let's give them each a
half loss, so we call it a tie, half win,
half loss. That's gonna do it for us on the tailgate, Chad,
I care about you. I hope, I hope deeply that
our techt thread is a fun one this weekend.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh, I can't wait. I listen.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I watched the Commanders, I watched them in their last game,
and I'm excited to put purple against them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Mur you will hear from both of us again next week.
That's gonna do it for us on the tailgate. Thanks
to Chad, Thanks to all you for listening. Remember check
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