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October 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Wes Walz joins as we try to understand what we're seeing from the Wild right now, some Vikings opinions follow that, then news to finish the hour!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wes Wallace, Paul Allen, how you been.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Da.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'm doing I'm doing just fine considering the Wilder struggling
to win games right now, as you just heard the
caller from Joe O'Donnell.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
But it's but no, I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
My brother Wes Walla's former wild captain at walls three
seven three seven via the X machine eight and one
versus Winnipeg the last night, oh eight and one, and
and you know, sure they got a o T point
last night, but still no shaking hands and hugging and
jumping in or ramming up against the glass. That that
was a tough one. After Joe Hanson scored. You know,

(00:38):
I thought maybe that that they're going to get over
the hump and grab that too. But it was for
not tough one last night, right Wallsey, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Mean it was obviously the team scuffling for sure, and
and nothing is coming easy, you know, right now for
the team. And obviously it's been well talked about that.
You know this at the beginning of any boarding season,
whether it's the Vikings, Twins or Wild I mean Wolves,
doesn't matter if you get off to a tough start,
everything gets amplified for sure, so you can feel the

(01:09):
stress kind of around the building when you're down there
for practice, and and you know, unfortunately for the while
these you know, first eleven games, they found themselves chasing
more of these games than.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
They need to.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I think it's eight of their last ten they've been
down one nothing. And you know, even the last two
games PA that they've lost in overtime, they've been down
two goals in both those games, they've been able to
dig deep and and find a way at least to
tie up the game. But you know, two points are
were on the line there last night, and they just
weren't able to to you know, get the big save

(01:42):
in overtime. And yeah, they're just they're just they're not
I don't know the easiest way to say. They're just
they're not playing they're not playing winning hockey like they're
they're they're they're around it, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Close to it.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
But too many I'll advise turnovers at wrong time during
the game.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And as you know, being.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Here in football, like I'm sure you have stats too.
You know, he turned the ball over in football, you know,
two more times than your opponent you're not going to
win games, and it's it's really no different in this
sport too. And while there are kind of just beating
themselves right now.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, off what you mentioned earlier, Captain the Wild have
allowed the first goal eight of eleven games and are
five and one when trailing after one period. So I
mean you're chasing the money, you know, after the first
twenty and you're going to lose probably eighty five percent
of the time. Now with the way Connor won it

(02:35):
last night. Okay, I know there was a Caprice off
turnover and there's some social media terrorism about his turnovers
during the course of the year, drop passes things like that. Yeah, okay,
the turnover last night is not preferred, no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
They had ample time to recover.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
So I'm actually putting more of this on the fact,
and you know more than me, ma'am. Does Gus have
to stop that Connor game winner? Or is it just
not that simplistic?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, you know what, I if I could go you know,
all twenty two on the bit, i'd kind of break
it down, but I can't on the radio obviously. But yeah,
there was a turnover, for sure. Kril tried to hit
Eric Sinak in the in the through the neutral zone
and missed him by ten feet right and in the
neutral zone. And obviously three on three in the NHL,
when you when you give the puck to the other team,

(03:23):
possession is just so prized you might not get it back.
The wild proof that the other night against San Jose
and there was a breakdown on the entry of just
a little bit of miscommunication between Caprice off and and
Ac about who was going to take who, and Ek
was just a little bit late, you know, getting up.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
On Kyle Connor.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And because he was a little late getting up on
Kyle Connor, he kind of screened, you know, Gus. And
sure enough, the way that the luck's been going for
the while, the puck went right underneath the skate of
Eric Sanak and didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Hit his foot.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I mean, I mean that that puck could have very
easily hit Ericsonax's foot, and I'm telling you we would
have had a three on zero breakaway the other way
because all Winnipeg Jets were right around the front of
the net. And unfortunately for the while, that goes under
x skate and beats Gus on the far side.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
So yeah, you know what.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yes, there have been a lot of ill advised turnovers
from Carill, and not just from Carill, from from other
players around the around the team. But there's turnovers in
every game. But what's happening with the Wild is when
there's been a turnover and that was a perfect example
example and overtime when there when there is a turnover,
there's no layers underneath to be able to to at

(04:35):
least provide some defense, and a lot of these turnovers, Pa,
because there's no layers of defense in behind to to
to kind of bail out the mistake. The pucks are
finding the back of the net, and it's you know,
it's got to change. I do think the last two games, oh, PA,
And I know this, I'm not a big fan of
moral victories, but I will say this, the last two

(04:56):
games for the Wild, and we showed the graphic at
the end of our post game show yesterday, and it's
been back to back games where we've out attempted our opponent.
I think it was like I think it was eighty
to forty nine last night, and it was very similar
against San Jose. Generally speaking, in those types of games, PA,
you're going to win ninety percent of those games, you
just are, and unfortunately the Wild have not been able

(05:17):
to put two points in the bank.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
In both of those games.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
And the challenge now for the Wild right now, Pa,
in my opinion, is just that the challenge is just
trusting what you're doing and if the Wild continue to
play the way they've played over the last two games
and just take better care of the pocket. Doesn't need
to be perfect, but just better care of the pocket.
The wins are the Blue Skies are going to come out.

(05:41):
That's just how it works. But that's not a given
that has to happen tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Okay, so maybe I'm not bringing this up the right
way West, But can a mindset settle in when losing
that you almost expect or are not surprised when you
do lose more than you count on getting over the
hump and winning, You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Not really, Well, I'll train that up one more time.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
For me.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
It's a mindset where it's like, oh no, here it
comes again. Oh no, you know, this just keeps happening,
as opposed to as opposed to the tenacious take whatever
you want mentality of I don't care that we just
blew a three goal lead, We're still going to beat
you in overtime.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah. No, that is a mindset thing.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And I don't know if it was last year or
the year before PA where we had I don't know.
We we led the National Hockey League and come from
behind wins where we were down. You know, so you
know so much and we thought, I remember talking about
it on the broadcast that the Wild would just continue
to play the exact same way even if they were

(06:46):
down you know, one nothing or two nothing, and eventually
eventually get rewarded for good play and not give up,
you know, a two on one or a three on
two when you're down to nothing and take yourself out
of the game.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So far through eleven games, again, the last two games
have been much better. But generally speaking, through the eleven games,
when the Wild have have have gotten down in games,
they have come out of their team structure and I
and it has cost them and then they get down
you know, two nothing and three nothing.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
And again I.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Think the Wild made the playoffs last year PA, and
they finished twenty fifth and goals four and fifth or
six and goals against there They're not built to be
able to chase games all the time. They you know,
they're built the way they have built their team that
if they get you, you know, if you get the Wild,
get you down one nothing or two nothing, they're just
going to choke you out. They're going to run the

(07:38):
ball and you're never going to get the ball back.
And that's just the way the Wild are built. Unfortunately,
they found themselves behind in too many games, and you know,
it's going to be a good test for the structure.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And the mindset of this team. Pa.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
And it's interesting that you bring up that point because
it is going to be something I'm going to be
watching closely.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
To see tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
If the Wild can back these last two games up
without getting the results and actually continued it to buy in,
and if the game looks exactly the same and the
Wild win for one tomorrow, that's going to be a
really good sign for this Wild team to turn things
around quick.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Captain is Wes, is there one area of the Wild's
game that that is causing concern to your trained eye
that maybe the I don't know, the experts or the analyst,
you know, those who follow it closely are not mentioning.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean, obviously, team defense at the beginning of the
you know, the first nine games, was was all over
the place. If I had to pick one thing, PA,
I would say that that's that's alarming for me is
the lack of scoring from the the bottom half of
the lineup forwards. I mean, I'm just looking at some
stats here this morning and watching the game back here

(08:57):
this morning last night, and I y're off is the
only guy that has a goal? Like Trenion has none,
Felino has none, Hinnestroza has none, Jones has none, Olgrin's
played five games, like it just goes down the list.
So the bottom half, the bottom half of the lineup,
the bottom two lines are the while they're getting like

(09:17):
basically zero production offensively. And yes, obviously Nico Sturm's out
of the lineup and Zucarello's out of the lineup, and
if those guys were in the lineup, PA, some of
those other players like Joe Hanson would get pushed down
in the third and fourth. There's there's some you know,
injury issues right now for sure. But if I had to,
I guess, if I had to pick one thing right now,

(09:39):
I would say that would be the one area that
concerns me the most because it's just, I mean, I
don't know how you're thinking about coming into games, Pa,
but I'm like, I'm coming into games thinking myself, Okay, Carill,
we need you tonight, Matt, we need you tonight. Like
it's there's a lot of pressure on two three guys
to carry the burden right now, and when you have

(10:00):
three four lines that are scoring, it just that's what
makes your team so dangerous because you just don't feel
coming into games, Okay, we need Carill to have a
huge night tonight or Matt Bowley, but right now, it
just it feels like there's a little bit too much
of that right now. And that's the way I feel.
But obviously, you know, when Matt Zucarello comes back and
Nico Sturbell, Nico was gonna be out for a while,
but it sounds like, you know, Matt Zucarello was on

(10:22):
the hece Ford practice, which kind of surprised all of us.
So maybe he's closer than we think, but we we
really miss him. But that would be one of my
biggest concerns for sure.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Pia Nostalgia to close here momentarily, but lastly, on the
current stay to the squad z Bullyam and his second season.
What are you saying, I see, I see a ridiculous
offensive talent.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
That is special.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I see a player right now that has some defensive
warts in his game. You know, obviously played at Denver
for a couple of years. They won a national championship.
I had a chance to watch, you know, of those
games when they made it to the final four. And
I mean this kid, PA was playing thirty thirty four
minutes a game, and there are, in my opinion, there

(11:08):
are a lot of bad habits defensively built into his game,
just simply because he kind of he had to pace
himself to play thirty three thirty four minutes. And in
this league, you can get exposed if you pace yourself
in your own zone. So listen, he's ten games into
his career. I already feel like from game one to
game ten or eleven, it's already I've seen improvements. Actually

(11:30):
showed a couple broke down a couple of his defensive
plays in the game against San Jose. So it's definitely
a work in progress defensively. But I'm telling you, Pa,
if you look at the best teams in the world,
the best teams in the NHL, Colorado, cal mccarr, Dallas, Me,
you know Hiskin and you know the Laane Hudson kid

(11:51):
out in Montreal. That's the top team coming up. Quinn,
Hughes and Vancouver the top teams in the NHL. They
all have a defenseman like Zeve Bullam and he's he's
going to be special to watch. And I mean his
footwork at the top of the zone is is you know,
it's unmatched. It's it's really good. I've been very, very
impressed with the offensive side of his game. He's even

(12:13):
way better than I thought he was going to be
this good and this early in his career. Defensively, just
got to work on a few things and it's slowly
getting better.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
How was it catching up with Pierre, Marc Bouchard, Brian Ralston,
Gabby and Stefan Bayu and the gang last night?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
It was it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I've talked to Butch a little bit, haven't seen Brian
Ralston in a long time, so it's nice to catch
up with those guys. But the one guy really wanted
to catch up with and I didn't have a chance
to was Gabby.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
When he flew in.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
He was supposed to get at one thirty in the afternoon,
and flights got all messed up. He got in at
ten thirty at night, so I didn't get a chance
to maybe go out for dinner with him. And then
he had so many responsibilities Gabby around the building and
interviews and radio stuff, and I didn't really get a
chance to see him. And he's a turn and burn,
he's already on his way back to Slovakia. But just
to see Gabby back in the rink again, and he

(13:04):
was he was such a gamer. Obviously we played. I
played with him when he was eighteen, nineteen years old,
when he came into the league, and he's just he
was just such a gamers. Just that playoff run that
we had in two thousand and two, two thousand and three,
he was twenty years old, Pa, he was He was
our best player. I mean as a twenty year old player,
and the other teams are just I still remember sitting

(13:25):
on the bench with him, and you know, guys like
Adam Foot and Rob Blake, Rob Blaker trying to take
his head off every game, trying to kill him because
he was the best player. We were just telling him Hey,
hang in there, Gabby, who you.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Need you, bud? So he was he was.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
He was just such a gamer and he stayed with
it and very coachable as well.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
And it was.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Interesting that he how he talked, how glowingly he talked
about Jock Lamarn, how much he learned about being a
team player and uh, and so was great to see
Gabby again.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, Pierre Mark Booch is is Pierre Marc Bouchard absolutely
one of the best passers, not only with whom you've played,
but one of the better ones you've seen.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Oh yeah, like he was. He was special with the puck, Yeah,
he was, he was.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
He was incredible obviously the last I think the last
four years, uh three or four years with the wild Pa,
I don't think he played more than like forty games.
I mean he just really struggled with with with head
injuries and things like that. But yet some of the
stuff that we would watch and practice and he was
able to do some of that stuff during.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
The games and stuff. He was he was as gifted, uh.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
A playmaker, as as really like I've ever seen. I mean,
he was that gifted, especially for a guy that small.
And yeah, it was just it was awesome to see
a bunch of the guys the other night that was
that was that was pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
And and Booch is one of the guys, no doubt,
no doubt he's one of the guys. And having he
and Ralston on the radio the last couple of days
to talk about that twenty five year anniversary that started
last night.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
There will be more evenings like that.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I think the next one is November fourth, but it's
it's I I love doing Covenant ketchups like that, including
some of some like conversations like this with with old
schoolers like you, because it triggers the thought or the question, uh,
doing what you do or did? How long does it
generally take after retiring to get the locker room and

(15:20):
the game out of your system, The locker room camaraderie
and friendships and the game out of your system.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Oh, the locker room, Pa, I don't think that ever
gets out of your system.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean I still miss it to this day. I
mean there there are times that you know that I
won't even go down to the locker room because I
just I just I it.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Brings back so many amazing memories that I just sometimes
try to stay out of it. To be honest with you,
it was it's it's our haven. And uh, if you
ask any player, doesn't matter what sport it is, if
you asked any player that retired that that is the
area of the game that the guys miss the most.
You don't miss training during the summer, you know, you

(16:08):
just you miss being around the guys. And you know,
you wake up every day and you walk into a
locker room with with twenty guys, everybody buckles up.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
You're going to go through highs and lows.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
You know, just even the situation right now, the while
they're in like you know, blocking out all the outside noise,
you know, all the pundits talking about how the while
they're struggling right now, and just we every athlete goes
through it as a team and just walking into those
locker rooms and putting everything behind you and coming through
adversity on the other side. It's just it's amazing. It's

(16:38):
amazing that the bond that you build over years with
with athletes and different players around the world, and you
just you just fall in love with these guys and like,
for instance, I mean I didn't I haven't seen any
of these guys in in ten years. Mary and I
haven't seen in probably eighteen years, and like we came
up to each other and hugged each other like it
was just like it was a it was a strong embrace.
It was amazing and it was just an incredible feeling.

(16:59):
And uh, I don't think it ever really leaves athletes,
to be honest, the camaraderie around the locker room.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Stuff beautifully said lastly with and with Wes Wall's former
wild captain va X at Walls three seven three seven
at Walls three seven three seven. The reason I bring
it up, I love your Twitter film breakdowns. I don't
know how long you've been doing it. I don't know
if you plan to do more. I caught two like
a week ago or something. Are you going to continue

(17:28):
to do those? Because they're fantastic?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I am gonna.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I mean, I'm doing a lot of the pre and
post stuff, so I'm watching so many of these games
back the next day like a coach, you know, and
I have some time to do it. That I that
I am going to continue to do it a little bit.
My daughter gave me a hard time there the other day.
She's like, Dad, I know I saw you know, you
put those videos out, can you please clean your your
the screen on your phone. So I got some things

(17:53):
I got to work on. Kind of old school that way,
but I've got five kids. They can all help me
with that stuff. But I am going to continue to
try to break down things as the season goes on
from time to time, just to show, you know, you know, fans,
some of the smaller little details in games that that
wild players are bringing to the table.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, very informative. At walls three seven three seven. All right,
my brother, thanks for the Covenant catchup. We'll do it
again soon.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay, Yeah, listen, you know there is the Box in
the Box coming soon. Man, you got to get on
board and we need we need to win here.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
When is that happening again?

Speaker 4 (18:27):
That's a great question. In fact, I'll text Sicky when
we get done with this and.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
We'll set up we need you, We need you, Archie Runner.
About seventy five percent or something like that.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Overall lifetime seventy two point seven percent, the last two
years forty one point five percent.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
So we got to fix that.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
But since since you brought it up, if and or
when we schedule the next Box in the Box at triam.
Well you need to join at at eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay, we'll see if we can pull that off.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Thanks buddy, See if you that's Wes Waller, one of
my favorites, a captain.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
It's ten twenty four. He comes the cash.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
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a handful of hyperbolic, hyperaccurate, and technically this would be
more of a news de noord item. How about Aiden
Hutchinson per SCHEFTYPA just reupped on a four year deal

(19:29):
for one hundred and eighty million dollars worth every penny
and forty one of it guaranteed. He's now, per year,
the second highest paid pass rusher in the NFL, behind
Michael Parsons, also in the division, at forty six and
a half. But listen to this per shafty three minutes ago. Man,
you want to talk about a team that has figured
out how to go from fans with paper bags on

(19:50):
their heads to kind of building something that could be
consistent for a while. Schefty laid out their recent extensions Hutchinson.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Four and one eighty.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
I mentioned that Goff re upped for four recently in
two twelve. I'm monra four in one twenty, Pine Sewell
another four years, Jamison Williams a three year deal, Kirbye,
Joseph Alee McNeil, who's back in healthy and game in
changing games, and Taylor Decker a three and sixty piece.
So they have spent an absolute ton of cash. As
we look forward at Ford Field, let's get that victory.

(20:20):
Let's find your way to a victory. Heavy underdogs as
we are, but wow, all those recent extensions the guys
will be seeing on the field on Sunday, we're going
to be seeing for multiple years to come down there
in Detroit. Hyperbolic, hyper accurate. I got some Vikings related
bits for you here. Let's start with this. With ten
games left, PA winning the division is out of reach,

(20:42):
so it's only about developing McCarthy at this stage of
the season.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's a really good one. Is that hyperbolic or hyper
accurate was a nice run? Can you can you say
it again? With ten games left.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Winning the division is out of reach, so it's only
about developing McCarthy at this point.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's not out of reach.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
So I K fair.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So I'm gonna have to say it's hyperbolic because I know,
I mean, I can't remember the last time Green Bay
beat this team. Now granted, you know, you had Darnold
and you had Cousins. Yeah, now you got McCarthy and
it's nothing. It's not in the front or nothing negative
to JJ, but he's inexperience.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
So I mean, you got it.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Like we said yesterday, if you want even a puncher's
chance as a long shot to surge on the outside
six wide around the turn and win running away, you
got to sweep those two. I think you have three
and want a worst obviously, but you know, if you
were to win four against them, which is a long shot,
and you can beat the Bears in a few weeks,

(21:41):
I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Talking myself out of it now.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
So I K fair simply because now I'm looking at
the injuries and just the three and four and all
the quarterbacks and everything, and you know, saying yeah, they're
going to go six and oh in the division, They're
not going to go six and oh on the division.
But I'm gonna say it's hyperbolic because I don't put
it at a zero. It's a long shot. And this

(22:05):
next one is for your question. Everything. Yeah, this next
one is everything because you're getting guys back. You haven't
beaten them five consecutive. That's the longest winning straight the
Lions have had against the Vikings since before I was
born and I'm old. So it's six. If they beat
you six times in a row, that's first time in
the history of Lions football they've done that to the Vikings. Yeah,

(22:26):
so you got to get this one to make it
not hyper accurate.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yeah, I think you know, it's kind of an unfair question,
but that's kind of how some of these are intentionally set.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Up that way.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
But I think, well, we'll look back in time. Maybe
the you gotta have that Falcons game. You probably got
to have the Steelers game. You can play that in hindsight.
Doesn't change things, obviously, Yeah, I can't play that. But
you think about how the schedule looked, how it is
teams you thought would regress, teams you would think take
a step up. Yep, And so it looks so bad

(22:59):
right now now because you didn't get that Falcons game,
because you didn't get that Steelers game, and frankly you
were you were outclassed every step of the way against
the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
But certainly hyperbolic to.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Say that this thing is it's just all about the
QB now, no no reason to even take the freaking
field other than the C number nine.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So certainly hyperbolic. You're correct there. How about this hyperbolic
or hyper accurate?

Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yep, after Jonathan Grenard, Jalen Redmond is absolutely the next
best player on this three and four teams defense. Well
you got some good ones, Jalen Redmond, all those pressures.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Well see that, I'm gonna say inaccurate. Okay, hyperbolic if
you're so inclined, Sure I I because I would put
Isaiah Rogers second, and both have produced. But with Isaiah
you were told, you know, really under the cover of

(23:57):
darkness on the first ad free agency they at him,
and then you were told some things about either on
or off the microphone or the record that they liked
and or loved. Then Flores came out and you know,
like there was a Zach Bond twenty twenty four comparison,
And now we start watching the games, and you know,

(24:17):
Isaiah in that Cincinnati game gets to the end zone
a couple of times, had some rough moments, kind of
left out on an island a little bit more than
I thought until I watched it back against the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
But it's Jalen Redman.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
He was here last year and it was kind of
found money and it's gotten better. So this in no
way is short changing Redmond and Grenard is one with
a bullet. But I would put Roger second because in
a season of so far through through seven, there's a
lot of well that's not how you said it was

(24:52):
going to be. Well, that's not how you thought it
was going to be. Rogers for the most part has
been he's been who who they said he would be,
and he's quite the good player. So I would go hyperbolic,
and I would go Grenard Rogers by half a head
over Redmond of the wire.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Oh, I dig that maybe these are all going to
be hyperbolic. You can you can tell me if if
I'm all hyperbolic or haul or we can find some
accuracy in this. How about this hyperbolic or hyper accurate?
And you talked about it yesterday. Hey, we're turning the
page here, let's go, let's go beat those kiddies. Let's
go put something up on the board there at Ford Field.
Why don't we Why don't we just target Justin Jefferson now,

(25:35):
welcome back JJ. We're going to target jets a whole
bunch hyperbolic or hyper accurate, given that he had a
total of thirteen targets in the first two games with
JJ McCarthy and is averaged I think it's eleven ten,
eleven eleven his previous four now with Carson Wentz that
Justin Jefferson will inherently have fewer targets on average over

(25:56):
the final ten games because McCarthy is back in the mix.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's a really, really good question.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I'm going to say it's hyper accurate, and even though
I don't want it to be, and I know with
what they're gonna with, with what they're going to unfurl
this weekend defensively at Ford Field, all right now, one
reason I like their safeties as much as I do
and I always have. It's like I watched Almen Ross

(26:25):
Saint Brown play five games and I'm like, that's top
ten receiver in the NFL. Don't care what anybody says,
I don't care where he was drafted. They just same
thing with these with the safeties, Kirbie Joseph, fourth year Illinois,
Brian Branch, third year Alabama, Branch a second round pick,
Joseph a third round pick. With Branch especially, you can
play some corner with him now, not outside corner necessarily

(26:49):
full time, but with McCarthy at the helm, I can't
envision the Lions defensive approach being we got a make
sure we have eighteen doubled and tripled more than twenty
yards down the field, all right now, Now that's the
standard approach against Justin Jefferson. So with the anticipation of

(27:13):
Darisaw and O'Neil plain, with Donovan Jackson center to be
named later, and Will fries Out, you know, I believe
you can protect well enough to get down the field.
But the thing is that's generally not how young quarterbacks
are raised. They generally all of them may nix Peyton Eli,

(27:36):
all of them. Josh Allen, Josh Allen was like fifty
two percent his rookie year. You don't nobody starts over
the top consistently or are from an intermediate standpoint consistently
they build up to get there, so and and those
are those are a lot of the routes of Jefferson runs. Yeah,

(27:57):
so you know when when when i've kind of like
close circuits to Kevin O'Connell, JJ McCarthy, be nice. If
Jefferson got thirteen targets beginning this game, ten to thirteen targets,
it it can happen. But I just don't think it's
going to be. It's going to be I won't be
the average. It's well, I don't think. I don't think

(28:19):
it's going to be like think that catching buffalo, think
that catch in London. Now, if you need those, McCarthy
can throw them. But I just envision a lot of
running back stuff. I think Hockinson's going to get back
in the mix with dramatically more targets than he's had
of late. But I don't believe with rock yas scene

(28:41):
amiek Robertson and Arthur Molett until until Terry and Arnold
comes back DJ Reed, I thinks out for the year,
But until Arnold comes back, I can't see them singling
Jefferson either and being like your kids play two games. Hey, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.
I don't see him doing that either. This has the
opportunity if they protect McCarthy, to be a massive Jordan

(29:05):
Addison game. If they go to throwing down the field,
Addison is the one. If they can protect and keep
Hutchinson off bodies. And I don't know what's up with
Josh Oliver, but they signed Ben sim so that kind
of means to me that Oliver's probably a goner this
week in unless there's something I missed. So if they
have a big passing game, I put it on Addison.

(29:26):
The touches and targets with Jefferson will come, but I
would expect it to be built from the inside out.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh I dig that all right?

Speaker 5 (29:34):
A couple more for you, And I'm going to need
your help here in changing my face because.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
There will be somewhat of a question, there will.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Be somewhat of a negative bent associated with these and
we'll start We'll hit you with this one.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Hyperbolic or hyper accurate.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Dallas Turner will never live up to the draft equity
it costs to acquire him, So therefore we must begin
to change our expectations for what he can produce.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Well, I'm going to say the never part was a
nice run is hyperbolic. I just don't like putting nevers
on things at this stage of the equation. I believe
the second part is hyper accurate. I mean, as we
continue to play the games with him having an opportunity
this season and moving forward to offset the second part

(30:21):
of the question. But it abundantly is being made apparent
that the compensation they gave up to get somebody they
had glowing things to say about and for whatever the reason,
it's not working or it's kind of working, let's put
it that way, it's kind of working. Well, that appears
to be the volume or the quantity with what was given. Yeah,

(30:45):
that seems to be too significant.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
And lastly, hyperbolic or hyper accurate.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
He's played fifty nine percent of the defensive snaps this season, Pa,
this is Harrison Smith's final season in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
So yeah, I believe it's his final season. Yeah, so
I think that's hyper accurate. Nice job, use Genord's around
the corner and Lions vox. Dan Miller joins about twenty
minutes from now.

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in the World Series. After last night you won Fladdy
hits it high.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Let feel hurting inos back, hold the track.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Looks up, gone block the top.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
Vladimir Carrero Junior puts them in the lead with a
two run shot two to one Blue Jays in the top.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Of the third. Yeah, that did make it two to one.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
And then it was the seventh inning where showe a
Otani again. Just such a weird thing now that I'm
watching so many games with Otani and at the idea
he's not sitting around analyzing pitch, analyzing the opposing team's
hitters like he's on deck because he has to freaking hit.
Then he takes the stage on the mound. He did
go six, but the bottom fell out, gave up four runs.

(32:33):
He heard the two run shot there. Another couple he
was responsible for in the seventh as the Blue Jays
took a commanding six to one lead by the end
of seven, and there was an interesting moment. I'll play
the audio for you, kind of a little bit of strategy.
It's fun digging into these moments as well. In the ninth,
Louis Louis Varlin with an intentional balk.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, I'm almost wonder.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
If you thinks Monsy's relaying signs, is he gonna do
it a third time here and bach Munsey over to third.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I don't know that'd be interesting, and he will.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Varlan did three in a row to intentional months you
over to third because he thinks he's relaying signs.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
And he absolutely knew what he was doing.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
He just did it three times in a row with
no one even suffering.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yeah, so they had Max Munsey on second. I think
there's two outs Alex Call is at the plate and
he was worried about potential sign relays taking place.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
So bottom of the ninth.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Now you still get a little bit of a lopsided
score line. Certainly that's great, but the Cajones it takes
in that spot for Varlin intentionally balking, he ends up.
It was either a flyout, it wasn't a k I
gotta find that here in front of me. Alex Call
ultimately is out in the Blue Jays win, being lauded
by John Schneider after the game. They're loving Louis up
in Toronto, and they're loving the fact that the series

(33:48):
is tied at two to two. Game three is tonight.
I think it's a rematch of Game one. It's trey
Ya Savage and Blake Snell on the mound out in
La looking forward to at seven o'clock.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
And insert insert the low hanging obvious Varland balking line
when he was here and how it was unintentional but
stuff like that just kept happening.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's a b.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Dan Shulman is the radio play by play voice for
the Toronto Blue Jays, and I learned that when the
Twins were beating Kevin Gosman and the Blue Jays a
few years ago. What a high end production the these
Toronto Blue Jays have with their with their radio Holy cow.
I really Dan Shulman, same one from ESPN. Yeah, he's

(34:35):
their radio vox and I think Buck Martinez is that
may be TV, but he might do Radio two as
the analyst, but there. Dan Shulman is incredibly good as
a team announcer. Thirdly, the the Jays went to tripping
in the ninth inning last night. It's like one guy
gets on with no out. Then we got the the

(34:57):
crafty uh mid evening balkup that took place with Barlin.
But they went to tripping because the guy they're there
because of the way they got beat the day before
and they got run down. Then it was extra dings
and they got beat and and there's peril. Well, they're
up six to one and like one guy gets on
with no out. So up Hoffman there their best guy

(35:19):
in their pen. He gets up. Everybody starts scurrying around. Guy.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
People are on phones talking to the manager. The guys.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
You're still up by five runs. But they but that's
that's the intensity that comes with the World Series. And
and one thing that I think is underplayed because so
if you watch baseball these days, that postgame show with
Kevin Burkhart, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and Big Poppy, it's
fantastic for my taste. I just absolutely love it. A

(35:49):
Rod is so good on television. Burkhart's the consummate pro.
But they had a cool interview last night with a
with a Vlad Guerrero Junior after the game. So who'd
you say we have tonight? We have a snake bell
against two. That tray is Savage the game one starter.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, that's going to be good. Yeah, this thing's been good, man.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
It has indeed. Hopefully this Wolves game tonight is good.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Pa.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
The Wolves are seven and a half point favorites, hosting
the Lakers. It's an eight thirty pm tip. Wolves lost
in La last Friday, Luca went for forty nine and
going to play tonight then, and that might be a thing.
Defense was an issue at time against the Nugs the
other night, and it was Jamal Murray putting twenty three
on the Wolves in the third quarter to help Denver
pull away. So regardless, chance to bounce back this evening

(36:36):
against the lebron list and you know, is there a
nagging bit with Luca or.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Okay, So they said a couple of days ago he
was going to be up to a week out, a week,
a week and a half, but it was shrouded a
little bit of a little bit of mystery in that,
like he could return anytime, relatively soon. So you lay
that number out without Anthony Edwards and you don't have
Ukadoncic and you don't have Lebron James. DeAndre Ayton just

(37:03):
played his best game as a Laker. I would imagine
he's playing. Austin Reeves is one of the more unstoppable
players in the NBA right now with his offensive game.
I think he had fifty the other night, like a
game after he had forty one. So they so Austin
basically like shut down Austin, get DeAndre and foul trouble
and you'll win by fifteen. Well we'll see if it's

(37:26):
that easy for the ant Lis Minnesota Timberwolves. This one's
an ESPN game tonight also on KFA.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
And I believe, and he's shooting, I mean, he my goodness,
witness Reeves cat he's out of his mind. Yeah, fifty
nine percent and he's also, of course, he shoots the
three ball fair amount, so that tells you how efficient
he is overall in totality, had nine threes his last
two games.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
He's getting to the line really more than he ever has.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
And uh, how about this, By the way, I mentioned
the Aiden Hutchinson deal, but I was tooling around on
the NFL well and the Patriots right.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Now it's six and two.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Think back to those joint practices and it's just like, Okay,
Drake May is kind of coming along, you know, Vrabel.
It's gonna be a lot of raw raw. And Rabel's
a good coach, there's no doubt. But he's got a
lot of work to do. Now they're six and two,
they won five in a row. They're feeling so good
about themselves, Pa that they're making trades. Kyle Dugger, we
remember him, he lost his starting job. Apparently they're in

(38:25):
love with fourth round rookie Craig Woodson as one of
their safeties along with Jalen Hawkins.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
They traded.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
They're trading away Kyle Dugger as well as let me see,
I'm trying to find the other names. Yes, it's Keon White,
that is correct. They're trading him to the Niners, Dugger
to the Steelers, And so they're feeling so good about
themselves that they're trading away former starters. Yeah, feeling feeling
cool at six and two. You think Quac's Doug Dugger

(38:54):
was a horrible pick?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You think so? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I thought he had some good years for them.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I mean, you know, yeah, I was trying to figure
out leonor what is it leonor Ryan Ry?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He was like a second round pick or some large
school North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
You think even Quacy's sitting in his office right now,
you got the Newton's Cradle bit clicking away over time
on his desk, trying to find an angle right now.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yes, I mean I would imagine, and he probably is
answering Texan calls more than he's making them, because generally speaking,
general managers and teams identify those who they feel are
vulnerable and maybe they're for the taking, and maybe people
think that's the vikings. I don't, and I don't really
know what they would trade, but no, I mean, you

(39:36):
can always concoct trades. But nevertheless, with the forty nine
ers and key On White, I mean, White was good
a couple of years ago or at least he splashed
a few times. The forty nine ers are amazingly stuck
at defensive end. I mean, now like ya Tour gross Matos,

(39:58):
I believe has gotten hurt. They've lost like their top
three or four defensive ends in a four to three defense.
Bosa went out very early in the year for the year.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Well, listen to their defense right now. They got that
Mikel Williams, the rookie. But Jordan I'm talking full D line,
Jordan Elliott on the inside is hurt.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Sam Okay, youmano.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
He's hurt. Bryce Huff is hurt. He Torri gross Matos,
you mentioned him, he's hurt. One of the linebackers, d Winters,
who's filling and he's hurt.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Bret Warner's out for the year. Oh that's, oh my goodness.
I mean, what a disaster that is.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
And that's and they're winning games, and they're winning games
with whether it's Mac Jones or it's you got Purdy's toe,
So they're figuring it out.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
I heard on a NFL radio yesterday the great Pat Kerwin.
I don't exactly have the number, but I'm going to
get close. Since Kyle Shanahan took over I think in
twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen for the.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
He he has lost, they have lost during that time,
like two thousand and sixty five man games to injury
since like if he's if he's been there eight years
or whatever. Yeah, the numbers over two thousand, as is
the number as to what he's lost and been to
a couple of Super Bowls and all that still pulls

(41:14):
a terrific run, a terrific run out of a seventh
round quarterback. For the most part, mccorkel mac Jones and
his resurgence. But it's that that's why they made that trade.
And the Patriots basically just Gabe Kyle duggar away.

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