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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back, middle part of the radio show, and Ben
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Much appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So decade decade plus in the NFL for Ben Liber.
So therefore the cliche a twenty four hour rule is
something you know, he knows, he knows much about where. Hey,
you just want to big game, all right, Well, by
twenty four hours from now, say three to fifteenth Central
that Monday, after you've done everything at the facility, put
that one to the side, move on to the next one.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Ooh, that was an awful loss.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Don't don't lament, don't dwell twenty four hours from now,
like three to fifteen. Gotta have that loss behind us
so we can move on to the next one. And
habit and routine is very important for football players and coaches.
It generally leads to the best of the best. Okay,
So I lay all that out because here we are
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on Thursday. Four and six is so much different than
five and five and getting totally healthy, maybe often exciting
win I mean, it's they got to win them all
to get to the playoffs. I mean, they're going to
probably have to win them all if they want to
get to the postseason, which has some long shot to it.
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But I guess that bears loss. Man, when you got
the lead with fifty seconds to go, I don't care
how many time I'll say, it just still stings a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, it totally stings. And you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I mean, if you want this to be an exciting January,
then they're going to have to win out and they're
going to have to win out. And I think to
make if we make it to that point, you're going
to have to start winning in better fashion than that
we're playing right now, you know, And I think that
we all agree the last couple of games, we've given
those games away. It's not like the other team is
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much better than us. Certainly they're competitive teams, but I
don't think that we are outclassed or out skilled by
any one of those teams, by Chicago or Baltimore. No,
So we've given those games away, and that is the
frustrating part for me, is just you know what, if
we're going to lose a game, at least make it
look good, make it look a little bit more complete
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and so man, at this point in time, that's all
I want to see. I want to see a functional
offense that's able to move the ball against a really
good defense.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
This weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I want to see McCarthy play clean. It's just more
about I know that you're gonna have some bumps in
the road and you're gonna play up and down. Just
don't give the ball away, you know, don't make those
really critical, sort of sloppy decisions that end up in
a takeaway for the other team. So it's clean football
from here on now.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
McCarthy in all of his starts, in the first two
possessions of all of his starts this year, passer ratings
one twenty five to nine yards per attempts almost nine.
It's eight and high change. First two possessions. Now fast
forward to the fourth quarter. It's Soldier field, final two
drives against the Bears, some very very tenuous, pressure filled,
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high leverage moments against the Lions. Clutch gene required, clutch
gene there. So from those first two possessions to when
the clutch gene is required, what's happened. It's in the
middle part. It's the middle part, and it's a big
middle part. Two but excuse me, three to two. That's
a lot of time in there. They you got to fix.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What do you think, Well, listen, you know we talked
about everybody in the league talks about winning that middle
eight that four minutes before the end of the first
half and the four minutes after the the start of
the second half. I think JJ needs to win the
middle thirty. So you know, he's got to expand that
window from eight to thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, he's certainly still focusing on the middle too. About
final minute of the first half and the first minute
of the second half.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Very important. Yeah, I mean you are, yes, that is
very important. But you know, we got to get more
consistent play in that middle thirty, no doubt, but yes,
middle thirty. Whoever talks middle thirty? I mean right now,
but it's middle eight, middle four, final two.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's the point. It's like, he's got to do better
than the middle of thirty. That's how crazy. That's a lot. Yeah, yeah,
we got to start somewhere. You know, he's got to
work on the middle thirty.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
To your point, though, it's like, you see what he
can do when the quote unquote plays are scripted and
he can just let the bullets fly, you know, like
he's just out there just playing looser. I wouldn't say
he's playing super loose because he still has some pretty
airran throws. We made a couple couple of balls on
the first two drives that were like, excuse me.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Which one were you trying to throw to?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like when you have to think about what's your receiver
are you trying to throw to?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
There?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's concerning.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So sometimes it can look really, really bad, But the
point is based on the statue you mentioned that, Hey man,
when he's when he's relaxed and he knows what's the
game plan, he knows kind of what to expect from
the defense. He can play pretty good ball. We just
have to get him in that mindset. In quarters two and.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Three, Nordo and I pine for the days we received
the opportunity to chat voluminously about JJ McCarthy, okay, off games,
off press conferences, things like that, because things have either
come together or we all can see, hey, things are
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coming together here start fifteen, seventeen, nineteen whatever. So we
pined for those days. Neither one of us wants to
talk about neural logical pathways.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And footwork ballot.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I mean, yes, it's important, but sometimes, like I find
myself thinking, I was at his press conference yesterday listening
to the kids Share It Tuesday with O'Connell talking about
McCarthy or latskyme on the tweet machine footwork ballot, I'm
just hips it's it's okay. The lay does not understand it,
but that's okay because it's complicated and that's not what
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we do.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's just boring. It's just it's just exhausting.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sometimes it's almost like, because what I'm struggling with now
is it almost sounds like like a response can be
how did he ever complete a pass at Michigan. How
did he do anything outside of running or giving it
to Blake Korum or throwing the level in a Michigan
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, No, it does sound like sometimes like did this
guy ever know how to play football and play quarterback?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And I think that is slow becoming.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
One of my criticisms and my thoughts about all of
this is like, eventually, just go and play football. I
don't know, like when I don't know any other position
where you have to break it down into six inch
segments for you to be successful, Like your right foot
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has to plant here with the right with the right
weight on the heel versus the toe, and then he's
got a step and you know, sounds like he's overstriding.
Will a little shorten the stride down by six inches.
It's like, you know, at some point in time, like
you can't have that going through your head, even subconsciously
when you're out on the field, because there's too much
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to think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's too much to think about pre snap.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You gotta think about the blocking scheme up front, how
it can how can I check our.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Running back to go in this right positions?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Because I feel like there's a blitz coming off of
our left side, and we got to get the offensive
line to slide to the right. Then I got to
figure out is this disguised coverage? Is it this coverage?
Are they blitzing? You got to think about all that stuff,
then the snap of the ball, then the process of
the play, then figuring out where guys are supposed to be,
not where they are, but where they're supposed to be
in throwing guys open and throwing to windows. You got
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to do all that, and you really want the quarterback
to be thinking in game like, Okay, I gotta tweak
my hips this way and shift my weight this way.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And you can't foss we again, you can't do that.
You can't. You can't build a mechanical quarterback robot.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So but no, it's not like, don't do that. It's
impossible to do that with everything in front of you.
I agree, organically has to happen. And maybe that's when
O'Connell says that make the simple simple. The routine routine
is that you know, he's kind of getting in his
own way with some simple things that that he'll get through.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, I understand that you have to work on things.
You certainly do. And that's what you work on during
practice and.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Especially the off season.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
This is going to be a gigantic offseason for him,
even if the season ended right now, like even if
we see market improvement from today to the season, like,
this is gonna be a monumental off season for him
when it comes to his fundamentals, because he talks about
it himself. Things have to become concrete, is the word
that they use. And for it to become concrete where
you're not subconsciously thinking about it, then you have to
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work on it so repetitively in the off season that
every single moment, in every situation where you're sliding up
in the pocket to the right to the left, you've
got to you know, banana outside the pocket and throw
on your left foot going you know, to the right side,
like you've got to practice all those things.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
That's why he takes his dogs for locks so he
can get a quick ten reps in. We heard it yesterday.
I'm just even listening, and you're dead on about all that.
I have JJ fatigue right now. Either get better or
don't get better. I'm rooting for I'm patient. I'm pumped
to see him in Lambon this weekend. Let's go beat
the Packers. It's a border battle. But that just fatigues
me when I think about the what we're asking the
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kid to do, knowing that a lot of it, Like
I'm here in pitch and Ketch, I'm hearing concrete dry
and each there's a new bit. Just just go be better,
just please please grow on the fly, show us something
JJ and I'm pumped to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know you have fatigue. I I'm with you. I
do too.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We actually were talking to Tom Pelisera this morning on
the Power Trip, and I.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Led my first question was even about the Vikings or
the Packers, because I'm like, I'm sort of just like.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Tired of like we don't we don't know from an
outside looking in, like mechanically what he's doing wrong. Now
there are some people opining on the internet about like
his mechanics and whatever. Like I bet you right now
you could take the top fifteen quarterbacks break down their game.
Nobody's playing with perfect fundamentals. Nobody is because that's not
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the vacuum that you live in when you're playing the
game on Sunday. Right, So at some point in time,
I don't care if he's got a clean pocket or
he's got a dirty pocket and he's got to get out,
Just get the ball to where it needs to go.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like, don't overthink it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You know how to do this, Like you've thrown a
football ten times in different situations already.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I know. I'm not going to dumb it down to
be like, oh, it's not that difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, but just do it. You either can do it
or you can't do it. Work on the fundamentals and
stuff you know in the off season. But that better
not be what's going through your head, because you're gonna
miss an inserting safety that's playing Cover three, that has
that has CJ. Hamm to the flat, that's gonna slough
off and not and not bite on him, and he's
gonna pick the ball off on a very easy Cover
three situation. Tired, That's exactly that's what you should be
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focusing on, not whether or not you're transferring your the
weight from your back foot to your front foot and
your hip is getting is torquing and twisting and my
arm slots up here and whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Like that's off season stuff. If you were to cast
your gaze to say.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Late this year, next year, I don't know, twenty to
twenty five games into it for JJ McCarthy and and
whatever O'Connell wants from McCarthy, and it's hit and it's
all working. Cast the gaze. Hey, wow, it's all working.
This is nice. What would it look like?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I would say, it's sort of what I'm alluded to.
Just play the game of football. When things are on
time and you have a clean pocket, make the throw.
And if it's not, it's not the deep shot, it's
not the first read. Go through your progressions, check the
ball down. Have you guys run after catch, pick up
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three four yards, hopefully they break a tackle, they pick
up a first down. You move the chains. If you've
got to break the pocket. Don't be afraid to eat
your legs. You're an athletic guy, don't be Yeah, you're
coming off knee injury. You're you're coming off an ankle injury.
I get all that. You know it looks were watching
Michael Pennox out with an ACL can't play scared?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Like, go do what's best for your team at that
given moment. If you feel like you've got to throw
the ball at a one on one situation to Jordan
Addison in the left part of the end zone. You
underthrow it when you could have ran for a first down.
Run for the first down, yeap. Like you know, I
think there are times where you can take calculated risks.
But I also think there's time just to be a baller.
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Just go be a baller. Like he wants to talk
about nine, he wants to talk about all this other
stuff like, well, that's not that's what.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
A nine would do.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
A nine would take those situations, run with the football,
maybe dive forward for a first down. Play gritty, play tough.
I think that's the sort of mentality he needs to
have and not take some of these these risky throws.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Just play football, man.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
He clearly has the arm strength to make every single throw.
He's not afraid of the pressure moments and can move
himself out of trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, those are facts. Those are facts. So do it.
So you just just consistently, more consistent. He just has
to do it. Just do it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I mean, I think we're at this point where again,
I think every player goes through this. Yeah, Justin Jefferson
talked about it, and I love I love his quote.
His quotes from last week at some point in time,
we can all of us as athletes, can get an
into our own head. It's like, if you've ever played golf,
you get into your own head. And I'm not a
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golfer quote unquote golfer, but I've played enough that you
know when your best rounds of golf are usually the
first the first two or three times you're playing. You
know why because you don't overthink anything. You're like, okay,
this is my swing. I'm not going to overextend on
my back swing. I'm not going to try to crush
the ball. Because it's the first time out. You end
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up playing a solid round because you're just flowing with
the game. You don't have a lot of worries. Then
all of a sudden, you're like, man, boy, if I
could just tweak this one thing here, I could get
a little extra distance, I could be a little more
accurate if I do this, And all of a sudden,
the next five rounds you're a hot mess because every
time you step up to the ball, you're thinking about
twelve things that you feel like you should be doing
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to get a little bit of an edge. And what
Justin Jefferson was saying, and last week was ef it.
Just stop overthinking it. Just get back to playing football.
Just get open, Just go back to being a dog.
That's what's being a uh, that's what's successful on the
football field. So I think at some point in time,
JJ included with a lot of other people, I know
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that they're facing a lot of criticism right now on
the team fit man, like, just go out there and
play fast. That's all you gotta do. Play fast, no reservations,
don't overthink it. And whatever happens at the end of
sixty minutes, whatever, that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And we but especially you, because you played it's it's
I mean, I'm gonna speak for you here.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And if I'm wrong, take me deep.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Nobody's saying mechanics, technique, hip turns, footwork.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
We're not saying it doesn't matter. It doesn matter.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It does matter. But so let me ask you this question.
And here's why you know I just you know I
I'm going to use an example here of a receiver
which is different than a quarterback, but would as you say,
Cordaryl Patterson is every bit as physically gifted as Justin
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Jefferson to a point close close. Okay, Well, his receiving career.
You couldn't put him on the field as a receiver.
Why technique, mechanics, depth of route knowing plays. So yeah,
I'm certainly in no way comparing anybody in this conversation
to Cordero or Justin. But you can see the specimens
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and have the arm talent and have the clutch gene
and have ABCD and E. But if you don't get
the other part right, there still will be inconsistency and
it may last for a career like it did with Cordero, yeah,
or or it may got a mesh it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The thing is like this is part of the development,
But I think within the development, especially on a week
to week basis in the NFL, where there's not a
lot of time to work on individual craft because there's
only so much time, this is the time where it's
about like.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It when he's walking his dog.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well seriously, I mean when he said that, he's like
thinking about it so much.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
When you walk your dogs, don't think about football. Yeah,
you got to have a separation, even twenty minutes. I
know you got to. You have to have a break.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And that's why you know now that we've been around
McCarthy enough, and we've seen his preparation and we've we've
we verbally hear it come out of his mouth, the
words that he uses, the way that he thinks. I
understand why he has to meditate before games, because I
think his brain is going one thousand miles an hour,
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and to play this position, yes, you have to process
at one thousand miles an hour, but you can't consciously
think about all those different pieces. And I do think
that that comes with repetition, that does come with just
being more comfortable and seeing more things and what's you
start to mentally prioritize what's important on any given play.
But I can see why he understands himself because obviously
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he does a lot of self reflection, which is great.
He realizes that his best version of himself is when
he's the most calm, right when his brain is like
the most is slowed down, quiet mind, his quiet mind.
And I think when we after that first quarter and
after those some scripted plays and off, after all that
pregame meditation quarters three and you know two and three,
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I think he loses that because there's not enough time
on the sideline for him to like quiet his mind
he needs to find a way through repetition or whatever
it is to quiet his mind throughout the game.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Ben Le Brown Paul Allen Nordo produces into the second
half of the radio show after this, I brought this
up with the coach on Tuesday. What about the other kid,
the other kid, twenty two year old Dallas Turner. Are
we seeing anything from him that sells hope for something
big time as he continues to grow?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay, say that again? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Three two brought this up with O'Connell on Tuesday. The
other kid? What about the other kid? Twenty two year
old Dallas Turner. Are we seeing anything from him that
sells hope for something big time as he continues to grow?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Hmm, I think he had one of his best games
this last week, which is great.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You know, I continue to think that. I mean, I
don't want.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
To sit here and project like this is what his
whole career is going to look like. But to me,
he's he's To me, I think he's settling into this
like really really dynamic role player that can come in
with a healthy Grenard and with a healthy van Gyinkle
and give us this this extra piece. But as far
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as being a consistent three down player. In comparing him
to a Grenard or Van Gyinkle, I just just don't
see it at this point. I just, you know, I wish,
I wish I could, And I'm not saying that he's
not an important piece, but I think what you're looking
for with that sort of draft status and that sort
of thought going into his career, as the vikings that
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he was going to be a three down guy, I
just see him as a pretty dynamic role player and
passing situations, and that's fine if he can go out
there and give you, you know, maybe some like dj
Wanham sort of you know, you know, if he can
ever get to eight nine sacks a year, that's productive.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, you kind of mentioning Wantam.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That was kind of the route I was going down,
because I was thinking about, you see, statistically, you mentioned it,
he probably had his best, your most productive game statistically,
certainly in his short stin here. But I kind of
do I'm starting to look at him as a Patrick Jones,
a Wantam. I think about a Faudio Denebo when I
think about Dallas Turner. Now, people don't want to hear that,
given on where he was drafted, but all of those
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guys are great example of in a reserve role, in
a spot moment a faudio I Dentibal playing inside and
outside at times. We saw the success he had here,
he never had that success again once you asked him
to play sixteen games and play a ton of snaps.
And similarly with Dallas Turner, whether he was being used
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in various spots his rookie season, just trying to get
the kid on the field, and now that we've gotten
to see him start sadly because of injury, whether it
was Grenard or Van Ginkel, I'm starting to think like
this is a cat that comes in in certain spots
and can absolutely win the day. But if you got
to play him for nearly seventy snaps like what we
saw against the Bears, I just I'm not seeing the
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evolution and the quality there.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, it is one of those unique positions in every
position on the football field is different. You know, we
talk about quarterbacks. We just had that last segment the
whole thing about McCarthy. I do think quarterbacks they need years.
You know, sometimes they need years to really get their
full potential and see what they look like. And you know,
some of it's just based off of schemes, some of
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it's just reps all of those things. I think that
is very unique just to that one position a lot
of other positions. Man Like, you can see a lot
of where the potential really is and where the reality
is in just one season. You know, you can see
it in one season. And we've seen, you know, a
lot of games out of Dallas Turner. And that's why
I'm saying, like, I'm not saying that he can't be
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a consistent starter. I just think his best role as
he goes down and has a long NFL career, that
it's going to be more of that pass rushing role
in that spot player where he's getting thirty snaps a
game versus sixty five snaps a game.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
What are some of the best routes to beating the
Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Got to jump on them early. This is a team
that is struggling offensively. They're having some issues that are
different than ours. You know, their offensive line is kind
of trending the wrong direction. That's kind of because of injury.
But they haven't really played great on the offensive line
the whole year, and it's it looks.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Like it's regressing.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
They only score in the last four games six and
a half points in the first half. So they're not
a high scoring jump on your early you know, we're
gonna get up on, you know, by a bunch of
scores in the second half and then then let our
defense go eat. You know, it's quite the opposite. They're
kind of a slow starting offense and they're in they're
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becoming more clunky because they don't have Craft and they
don't have, you know, a true solid number one receiver,
and then you know, even even their backup tight ends
are just not not even coming close to what Craft
can do. So you've got Josh Jacobs, who's probably gonna
play because he's just got a knee Brews and he's
a tough SOB and you know, as long as there's
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no structural damage, doesn't sound like there is.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Like he's gonna play their vox Wayne Laravie.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
An hour and a half ago nine to now, I mean,
unless he's playing a game. Was like and I and
he he was leaning more toards know Jacobs this week ND.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Really, I guess that's news to me.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I did not hear that segment, but I was just
kind of like paying attention to what people are saying
and doing on social media the last twenty four hours,
and it just it did seem like he was going
to play. I would imagine that he'd play, but I
don't know if they really look. They're gonna miss him
for sure, But I do think that they can. They
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can run running back by committee this thing for this
at least this one game and be okay, you know,
I think they could manage the run game with the
two backs that they have behind. It's gonna come down
to It's gonna come down to Jordan Love. I mean,
can he find some consistency with having lack of pass catchers.
Can their offensive line hold up against our defensive front,
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which is pretty dang good and can.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Get after the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
That'll be the big thing for us is can we
shut their offense down in the first half. Can we
jump on them and for us to play with the lead.
We've seen our team in spot moments play with the lead.
Can we grind on them in the run game, because
as good as their defense is, I do think that
you can run on these guys, especially if you commit
to it like we did last week.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Maybe a dumb question is Micah Parsons a full game
player because I see him like, you know, you want
to talk about clutch. We look at that in QBS
like Parsons when you need the sack. It feels like
late moments of games he finds the sack. I also
see him leaving the field for not insignificant periods of time.
And so now it's like it's Edar and Cooper, it's
Rashan and just productivity out of the front seven for
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most part is pretty stable. But is Micah truly a
full game player? And maybe jumping them early is part
of that conversation in terms of how we beat the
Green and Gold.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Well, he's proven to not be, you know, a three
down four quarter player, and I think that he understands
that if you listen, you want my best, you want
me to be the closer, you want me to be
impactful on the on the money downs, well then you
got to give me a little break. And I do
think that he's so twitchy, he's so explosive that if
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I'm is it Halflee is at the the If I'm Halflee,
then I would say listen, dude, like I want you
at your very best when we need it. If you
need to take a breather here and there. That's fine.
You know, we rotate guys on our defensive front two.
So is he Is he a Max Crosby type? No,
he's not, and you know only few people are when
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you're that explosive of that twitchy to be to give
it your all that, you know, for every snap for
four quarters. So I'm not going to say that he
intentionally takes plays off because of his attitude or his mood.
I just think that he understands if you want my best,
I got to have a few breathers. And he's going
to come back on when it's you know, third and
six and they need a sack, or it's in the
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fourth quarter and they there's a couple got to have
it plays.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
He's going to be out there. Though.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Lastly, Bills are at the Texans tonight for some reason.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The other day on the radio, I said, I.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Like the Bill skitch to the super Bowl or represent
a middling AFC.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So I guess I'm all in on that one.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I do believe it is like the playing the
Patriots at Gillette or Denver at Denver. Okay, yeah, give
it to me now. I mean, if I'm somebody in
the AFC, I'm like, give it to me now, sure.
So what I'm getting at is I think they're some
middling to that whole conference kind of led me to
Buffalo taking a bad loss to Miami, having to be
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an eye opener, needing to work on that passing game,
working on the passing game. So I just trust Josh Allen.
But anyway, do you have a team from the AFC
you like for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And why no?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I actually have them at the top of my list too.
I think they are well coached. They're super thirsty, right,
I mean, they are beyond dehydrated and.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Parts to get to get into that big game.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Their run defense is I like, the next day, I
look like, all right, well see a couple of things here.
But I'm more riding an emotional organic. Probably should look
at a few things. Okay, cool, they you know, fan
base coaches everything. Yeah, we need to throw better, Yeah
we can run, well, we need to throw better.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They did. Then they're run dye. Ooh they're run defense. Eh,
it's consistently bad.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, listen, I think anytime you have if you just
then the three teams that you named Drake May with
bow knicks and Josh Allen, I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Taking aland in Kansas City. I'm tripping.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, Kansas City has the ninth defense and the
fourth offense, like rankings, Like they win by nineteen and
they lose by four and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
They're five and five. The eye test doesn't look good though.
To me, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And that's you know, that's where I think statistics sometimes
can be thrown out the window. I know there's always
contexts behind stats. Look, they're always a tough out, I
get that, but you could almost see it when you
watch them play. It's not the same team. For whatever reason,
it's not the same team. I don't think that they
have the juice this year. I think when they get
late in this season. Now, listen, they could prove me
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wrong here as we approach December, but they could flip
the switch and turn it on. Because I know how
exhausting is to constantly be in the AFC Championship Game
and be in the in the Super Bowl and playing
late in the season and having a truncated offseason.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I get all that.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
There's something about their mojo this year that seems off. Yeah,
And if you're telling me it's down between the Patriots,
the Broncos, and the Bills. Yeah, I'm taking Josh Allen
and the Bills. They don't have They don't have that.
They don't have to worry about their nemesis, the Kansas
City Chiefs. They can play a little bit more free,
and they can go out there and win the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And Lamar's hurt again and they never throw the ball
down the field and they can't sack their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
He saw that team even they're okay to me, you're
asking me if that's a championship team.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't see the championship level.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well. See, I haven't watched the Broncos play this year,
maybe half a game. So they were on NFL networked
yesterday against the Chiefs, and I sat back and, you know,
while doing some stuff, kind of watched it, and specifically
when they were playing on defense, and first time I've
watched what they do defensively.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
My god.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, but the thing is is they have players on
their team. I think I know their names. I'm sure,
like I've come across them in a game call. But
the anonymity of a lot of players on that defense,
it's unbelievable. The run they're getting out of players most
have never heard of. They are so fast on defense. Yeah,
they're past rushing from the edges. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, Nick Bonito, that's about the only guy I can name.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You know, Well, they got this roach bit that we've
seen before.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I know we have no No, it's not the box,
it's it's this roach bit who plays part time demands
four hands every single time.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So I don't think Sirtain played well.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Fletcher Cox isn't in the league anymore, so he did
four hands on that.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right, But they they have players, you know, they they
have a corner Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I've heard. We've all heard of Riley Moss. Yeah, I
think we have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He might lead the NFL in pass interference penalties. So
this is perfect anti Vike.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well, he doesn't getting openly picked on two big time
in that game as you're talking about, right, this is.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So perfect Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I mean he's able to raise the quarterback and he's
doing a good job. He's got some Marcus Colston's running
around at wide receiver, but they know the plays and
the depth of route, and defensively, well, they lead the
NFL in penalties. So he's pushing the he's pushing the
envelope on everything. He's pushing the envelope on everything, I know,
(31:32):
but it works, you.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Know, like it's uh, there's something, there's there's a respect.
I know that around here. We can't you know, to
put that word with that guy. I know, it's gonna
ruffle a lot of feathers. Peyton's a good offensive mind.
The bottom line, he's a great coach.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I mean, you gotta get you gotta give him his flowers. Man,
he's he's a good coach. Is some of it?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Like the part of coaching is not cheating. Okay, so
he is a high end offensive mind. Okay, that's it.
I'm not gonna I'm not stretching it any farther.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But the other thing is, as a coach, you create
mindset and you create culture in the atmosphere and you know,
I think, and you get suspended for seasons there. But
there's something to be said when you know that your
coach plays with this edge. I got to play with
an edge too, And you've got the other people thinking
about this edge and envelope pushing and what's he going
to do?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, that that's part of it, I mean, wondering.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
They have an intimidating style culture, you know, and I
think that matters. Now again, you may not like it,
but if you're a Denver Broncos fan, you love it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
You're you're a highly competitive team that's that's going to
take no s from anybody. And you know, I think
a lot of Franks like, look at the Eagles. That's
kind of the Eagles mo. Yeah, top down. I mean
that's for decades, that's been their whole thing. Now whether
they live up to that, that's another thing. But it's
kind of nice that, like, hey man, they put with
the chip on their shoulder and they don't give a rip,
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and you know I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's it wins.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
See a Sunday for Appleton on a Saturday for Appleton.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Okay, yeah, we'll see on the bus.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
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Speaker 4 (34:21):
How about forty two saves including that shootout winner. Boldie
was the one with the tally. I think that makes
him nine of eighteen. It might be fifty percent in
his shootout career, mister Boldie. But the Minnesota while handling
business at a high level right now, that's seven of
their last nine in which they've found their way to
two points. You dig that they did have a third
(34:41):
period lead couple goals by the Canes force Cot to
grab themselves a point, but all the same, they're in
the winner circle. It's the Penguins tomorrow night and just
good to see from that conversation. Podcast will later as
well with Michael Russo. Just some of the things that
I think the head coach put a yesterday pa. I'm
starting to see the team beginning to reach and understand
(35:03):
their identity, as we've seen multiple players reaching their own
identity individually, and maybe it starts with the goaltending in particular,
the Blue Liners good in front of them, but whether
it's Volstad or Gus Buss, both have been playing exceptionally
well during this little winning stint that they've had.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's the cliche oxymoron. Coach Hines has a good problem
because he does have a You can frame it up
with whatever word you would like to use, competition, goalie, conundrum,
whatever controversy. Uh, but he has the one on one
A are good and and one A, it can be argued,
(35:42):
has gotten every bit as good, if not better than
the perceived one. But that's not bad because it'll make
both of them better. It's an iron sharpening iron bit
and they I think they finish this home stand four
to zho and one like seven to zero to one.
This month they have said the kid tomorrow night. Then
they have Winnipeg Jets on Sunday. Yeah, and they haven't
(36:03):
beaten Winnipeg in nearly three years. So that has to stop.
To the NBA feasting on bad teams.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
That's kind of been the talker with the Howl, the
Minnesota Timberwolves, and in a way they did. You know,
the final score line one twenty one oh nine doesn't
really tell you about the fact I think they put
up seventy one in the first half. They were up
by twenty five. Third quarter felt like cruise control. Anthony
Edwards can't hit a three to save his life right now. Still,
it was bad with it last night.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, he was like one a eight. Wow. Julius Randall
is unbelievable this year. I think he had thirty two
last night something like that.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
But but his combination good stretch out a nas read
lately as well. Yeah, these games have been fun to
watch and as we again kind of emphasize, while they're
beating on those bad teams, they're doing so in what
appears to be a pretty nice fashion.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I like how you put it the other day.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You didn't box up, you just you you like caused
a light to go on for me, because beating bad
teams over the years has been a problem for this team.
And then and now the the the preference with the
zero to five against two against the Nuggets, two against
the Lakers, one against some other team with a winning record. Yeah, yes,
I mean if that doesn't change, then they're not a
(37:21):
factor that needs to get better. Beats the alternative ten
to zero against teams with l like records. Yeah, so
that's I like how you put that.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Well, and that's the key you're gonna give Phoenix tomorrow night.
So let's go to Phoenix and get a w. They
have a winning record. They have a winning record, so
that could be that's one in our that's a feather
in our cap. Then you go, unless we lose, well,
unless we lose, which we're not going to because I'm
trying to think of who's even healthy out there. I
mean it's basically it's Booker and Dylan Brooks. They scoring
(37:48):
their points right now. Yeah, Dylan' scoring like thirty a
game the last couple of weeks. Have that happen. I
dropped Brooks because Jalen Green was nearing a return. J
Jaen Green reaggravated his hamming is out like six weeks
and Brooks is scoring twenty three game.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
They have a player they play about thirty a game,
who I swear sounds like a blue liner for the
Saint Louis Blues, Ryan Don. I always love that Ryan Done.
That's not a basketball name, that's a blue liner name.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And they got that Mark Williams cat who I think
there was. He was in that Dalton Connect trade with
the Lakers, but then he failed the physical and they
questioned his effort from time to time. But they can
get around Grayson Allen of course still in the mix.
But get that w then I believe it's off to Sacramento.
And then, as you talked about it earlier this week
in ith a big a big three game stretch really
(38:35):
at okay, see, let's not look ahead. Let's focus on
those champs to try to beat him the night before Thanksgiving,
and then you handle Boston at home. Yeah, so let's
you know, let's mitigate the the go off factor for
Jalen Brown yep, and then we potentially see Wemby Now
this calf strain, I don't know how long this thing's
(38:55):
gonna be for. I'm gonna get Wemby. I don't think
we're gonna get Wemby. He might be out a month
with this thing. I mean, he said, good grabbit. So
the calf is a potential problem. Just don't let Caldon
Johnson clown you.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
No, you should not. Absolutely so go Wolves, appreciate the victories,
and then now we'll find it. We'll finish up with this.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
You and Lever basically broke it down. I don't think
there's any more to talk about here. Texans have the
best defense in the NFL trying to find their way through.
I believe with Davis Mills Bill's five and a half
point favorites in Houston, this evening six touchdown performance for
Josh Allen just a handful of days ago.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
But this defense down in Houston presents problems.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
You're going to get to hear that actually on the
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Speaker 2 (40:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
So decade decade plus in the NFL for Ben Liber.
So therefore the cliche a twenty four hour rule is
something you know, he knows, he knows much about where. Hey,
you just want to big game, all right, Well, by
twenty four hours from now, say three to fifteenth Central
that Monday, after you've done everything at the facility, put
that one to the side, move on to the next one.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Ooh, that was an awful loss.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Don't don't lament, don't dwell twenty four hours from now,
like three to fifteen. Gotta have that loss behind us
so we can move on to the next one. And
habit and routine is very important for football players and coaches.
It generally leads to the best of the best. Okay,
So I lay all that out because here we are
(01:32):
on Thursday. Four and six is so much different than
five and five and getting totally healthy, maybe often exciting
win I mean, it's they got to win them all
to get to the playoffs. I mean, they're going to
probably have to win them all if they want to
get to the postseason, which has some long shot to it.
(01:54):
But I guess that bears loss. Man, when you got
the lead with fifty seconds to go, I don't care
how many time I'll say, it just still stings a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, it totally stings. And you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I mean, if you want this to be an exciting January,
then they're going to have to win out and they're
going to have to win out. And I think to
make if we make it to that point, you're going
to have to start winning in better fashion than that
we're playing right now, you know, And I think that
we all agree the last couple of games, we've given
those games away. It's not like the other team is
(02:25):
much better than us. Certainly they're competitive teams, but I
don't think that we are outclassed or out skilled by
any one of those teams, by Chicago or Baltimore. No,
So we've given those games away, and that is the
frustrating part for me, is just you know what, if
we're going to lose a game, at least make it
look good, make it look a little bit more complete
(02:46):
and so man, at this point in time, that's all
I want to see. I want to see a functional
offense that's able to move the ball against a really
good defense.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
This weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I want to see McCarthy play clean. It's just more
about I know that you're gonna have some bumps in
the road and you're gonna play up and down. Just
don't give the ball away, you know, don't make those
really critical, sort of sloppy decisions that end up in
a takeaway for the other team. So it's clean football
from here on now.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
McCarthy in all of his starts, in the first two
possessions of all of his starts this year, passer ratings
one twenty five to nine yards per attempts almost nine.
It's eight and high change. First two possessions. Now fast
forward to the fourth quarter. It's Soldier field, final two
drives against the Bears, some very very tenuous, pressure filled,
(03:39):
high leverage moments against the Lions. Clutch gene required, clutch
gene there. So from those first two possessions to when
the clutch gene is required, what's happened. It's in the
middle part. It's the middle part, and it's a big
middle part. Two but excuse me, three to two. That's
a lot of time in there. They you got to fix.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What do you think, Well, listen, you know we talked
about everybody in the league talks about winning that middle
eight that four minutes before the end of the first
half and the four minutes after the the start of
the second half. I think JJ needs to win the
middle thirty. So you know, he's got to expand that
window from eight to thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, he's certainly still focusing on the middle too. About
final minute of the first half and the first minute
of the second half.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Very important. Yeah, I mean you are, yes, that is
very important. But you know, we got to get more
consistent play in that middle thirty, no doubt, but yes,
middle thirty. Whoever talks middle thirty? I mean right now,
but it's middle eight, middle four, final two.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's the point. It's like, he's got to do better
than the middle of thirty. That's how crazy. That's a lot. Yeah, yeah,
we got to start somewhere. You know, he's got to
work on the middle thirty.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
To your point, though, it's like, you see what he
can do when the quote unquote plays are scripted and
he can just let the bullets fly, you know, like
he's just out there just playing looser. I wouldn't say
he's playing super loose because he still has some pretty
airran throws. We made a couple couple of balls on
the first two drives that were like, excuse me.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Which one were you trying to throw to?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like when you have to think about what's your receiver
are you trying to throw to?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
There?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's concerning.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So sometimes it can look really, really bad, But the
point is based on the statue you mentioned that, Hey man,
when he's when he's relaxed and he knows what's the
game plan, he knows kind of what to expect from
the defense. He can play pretty good ball. We just
have to get him in that mindset. In quarters two and.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Three, Nordo and I pine for the days we received
the opportunity to chat voluminously about JJ McCarthy, okay, off games,
off press conferences, things like that, because things have either
come together or we all can see, hey, things are
(05:51):
coming together here start fifteen, seventeen, nineteen whatever. So we
pined for those days. Neither one of us wants to
talk about neural logical pathways.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And footwork ballot.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I mean, yes, it's important, but sometimes, like I find
myself thinking, I was at his press conference yesterday listening
to the kids Share It Tuesday with O'Connell talking about
McCarthy or latskyme on the tweet machine footwork ballot, I'm
just hips it's it's okay. The lay does not understand it,
but that's okay because it's complicated and that's not what
(06:25):
we do.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's just boring. It's just it's just exhausting.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sometimes it's almost like, because what I'm struggling with now
is it almost sounds like like a response can be
how did he ever complete a pass at Michigan. How
did he do anything outside of running or giving it
to Blake Korum or throwing the level in a Michigan
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, No, it does sound like sometimes like did this
guy ever know how to play football and play quarterback?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And I think that is slow becoming.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
One of my criticisms and my thoughts about all of
this is like, eventually, just go and play football. I
don't know, like when I don't know any other position
where you have to break it down into six inch
segments for you to be successful, Like your right foot
(07:22):
has to plant here with the right with the right
weight on the heel versus the toe, and then he's
got a step and you know, sounds like he's overstriding.
Will a little shorten the stride down by six inches.
It's like, you know, at some point in time, like
you can't have that going through your head, even subconsciously
when you're out on the field, because there's too much
(07:43):
to think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's too much to think about pre snap.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You gotta think about the blocking scheme up front, how
it can how can I check our.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Running back to go in this right positions?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Because I feel like there's a blitz coming off of
our left side, and we got to get the offensive
line to slide to the right. Then I got to
figure out is this disguised coverage? Is it this coverage?
Are they blitzing? You got to think about all that stuff,
then the snap of the ball, then the process of
the play, then figuring out where guys are supposed to be,
not where they are, but where they're supposed to be
in throwing guys open and throwing to windows. You got
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to do all that, and you really want the quarterback
to be thinking in game like, Okay, I gotta tweak
my hips this way and shift my weight this way.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And you can't foss we again, you can't do that.
You can't. You can't build a mechanical quarterback robot.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So but no, it's not like, don't do that. It's
impossible to do that with everything in front of you.
I agree, organically has to happen. And maybe that's when
O'Connell says that make the simple simple. The routine routine
is that you know, he's kind of getting in his
own way with some simple things that that he'll get through.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, I understand that you have to work on things.
You certainly do. And that's what you work on during
practice and.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Especially the off season.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
This is going to be a gigantic offseason for him,
even if the season ended right now, like even if
we see market improvement from today to the season, like,
this is gonna be a monumental off season for him
when it comes to his fundamentals, because he talks about
it himself. Things have to become concrete, is the word
that they use. And for it to become concrete where
you're not subconsciously thinking about it, then you have to
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work on it so repetitively in the off season that
every single moment, in every situation where you're sliding up
in the pocket to the right to the left, you've
got to you know, banana outside the pocket and throw
on your left foot going you know, to the right side,
like you've got to practice all those things.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
That's why he takes his dogs for locks so he
can get a quick ten reps in. We heard it yesterday.
I'm just even listening, and you're dead on about all that.
I have JJ fatigue right now. Either get better or
don't get better. I'm rooting for I'm patient. I'm pumped
to see him in Lambon this weekend. Let's go beat
the Packers. It's a border battle. But that just fatigues
me when I think about the what we're asking the
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kid to do, knowing that a lot of it, Like
I'm here in pitch and Ketch, I'm hearing concrete dry
and each there's a new bit. Just just go be better,
just please please grow on the fly, show us something
JJ and I'm pumped to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know you have fatigue. I I'm with you. I
do too.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We actually were talking to Tom Pelisera this morning on
the Power Trip, and I.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Led my first question was even about the Vikings or
the Packers, because I'm like, I'm sort of just like.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Tired of like we don't we don't know from an
outside looking in, like mechanically what he's doing wrong. Now
there are some people opining on the internet about like
his mechanics and whatever. Like I bet you right now
you could take the top fifteen quarterbacks break down their game.
Nobody's playing with perfect fundamentals. Nobody is because that's not
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the vacuum that you live in when you're playing the
game on Sunday. Right, So at some point in time,
I don't care if he's got a clean pocket or
he's got a dirty pocket and he's got to get out,
Just get the ball to where it needs to go.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like, don't overthink it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You know how to do this, Like you've thrown a
football ten times in different situations already.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I know. I'm not going to dumb it down to
be like, oh, it's not that difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, but just do it. You either can do it
or you can't do it. Work on the fundamentals and
stuff you know in the off season. But that better
not be what's going through your head, because you're gonna
miss an inserting safety that's playing Cover three, that has
that has CJ. Hamm to the flat, that's gonna slough
off and not and not bite on him, and he's
gonna pick the ball off on a very easy Cover
three situation. Tired, That's exactly that's what you should be
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focusing on, not whether or not you're transferring your the
weight from your back foot to your front foot and
your hip is getting is torquing and twisting and my
arm slots up here and whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Like that's off season stuff. If you were to cast
your gaze to say.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Late this year, next year, I don't know, twenty to
twenty five games into it for JJ McCarthy and and
whatever O'Connell wants from McCarthy, and it's hit and it's
all working. Cast the gaze. Hey, wow, it's all working.
This is nice. What would it look like?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I would say, it's sort of what I'm alluded to.
Just play the game of football. When things are on
time and you have a clean pocket, make the throw.
And if it's not, it's not the deep shot, it's
not the first read. Go through your progressions, check the
ball down. Have you guys run after catch, pick up
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three four yards, hopefully they break a tackle, they pick
up a first down. You move the chains. If you've
got to break the pocket. Don't be afraid to eat
your legs. You're an athletic guy, don't be Yeah, you're
coming off knee injury. You're you're coming off an ankle injury.
I get all that. You know it looks were watching
Michael Pennox out with an ACL can't play scared?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Like, go do what's best for your team at that
given moment. If you feel like you've got to throw
the ball at a one on one situation to Jordan
Addison in the left part of the end zone. You
underthrow it when you could have ran for a first down.
Run for the first down, yeap. Like you know, I
think there are times where you can take calculated risks.
But I also think there's time just to be a baller.
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Just go be a baller. Like he wants to talk
about nine, he wants to talk about all this other
stuff like, well, that's not that's what.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
A nine would do.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
A nine would take those situations, run with the football,
maybe dive forward for a first down. Play gritty, play tough.
I think that's the sort of mentality he needs to
have and not take some of these these risky throws.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Just play football, man.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
He clearly has the arm strength to make every single throw.
He's not afraid of the pressure moments and can move
himself out of trouble.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, those are facts. Those are facts. So do it.
So you just just consistently, more consistent. He just has
to do it. Just do it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I mean, I think we're at this point where again,
I think every player goes through this. Yeah, Justin Jefferson
talked about it, and I love I love his quote.
His quotes from last week at some point in time,
we can all of us as athletes, can get an
into our own head. It's like, if you've ever played golf,
you get into your own head. And I'm not a
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golfer quote unquote golfer, but I've played enough that you
know when your best rounds of golf are usually the
first the first two or three times you're playing. You
know why because you don't overthink anything. You're like, okay,
this is my swing. I'm not going to overextend on
my back swing. I'm not going to try to crush
the ball. Because it's the first time out. You end
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up playing a solid round because you're just flowing with
the game. You don't have a lot of worries. Then
all of a sudden, you're like, man, boy, if I
could just tweak this one thing here, I could get
a little extra distance, I could be a little more
accurate if I do this, And all of a sudden,
the next five rounds you're a hot mess because every
time you step up to the ball, you're thinking about
twelve things that you feel like you should be doing
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to get a little bit of an edge. And what
Justin Jefferson was saying, and last week was ef it.
Just stop overthinking it. Just get back to playing football.
Just get open, Just go back to being a dog.
That's what's being a uh, that's what's successful on the
football field. So I think at some point in time,
JJ included with a lot of other people, I know
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that they're facing a lot of criticism right now on
the team fit man, like, just go out there and
play fast. That's all you gotta do. Play fast, no reservations,
don't overthink it. And whatever happens at the end of
sixty minutes, whatever, that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And we but especially you, because you played it's it's
I mean, I'm gonna speak for you here.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And if I'm wrong, take me deep.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Nobody's saying mechanics, technique, hip turns, footwork.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
We're not saying it doesn't matter. It doesn matter.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It does matter. But so let me ask you this question.
And here's why you know I just you know I
I'm going to use an example here of a receiver
which is different than a quarterback, but would as you say,
Cordaryl Patterson is every bit as physically gifted as Justin
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Jefferson to a point close close. Okay, Well, his receiving career.
You couldn't put him on the field as a receiver.
Why technique, mechanics, depth of route knowing plays. So yeah,
I'm certainly in no way comparing anybody in this conversation
to Cordero or Justin. But you can see the specimens
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and have the arm talent and have the clutch gene
and have ABCD and E. But if you don't get
the other part right, there still will be inconsistency and
it may last for a career like it did with Cordero, yeah,
or or it may got a mesh it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The thing is like this is part of the development,
But I think within the development, especially on a week
to week basis in the NFL, where there's not a
lot of time to work on individual craft because there's
only so much time, this is the time where it's
about like.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It when he's walking his dog.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well seriously, I mean when he said that, he's like
thinking about it so much.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
When you walk your dogs, don't think about football. Yeah,
you got to have a separation, even twenty minutes. I
know you got to. You have to have a break.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And that's why you know now that we've been around
McCarthy enough, and we've seen his preparation and we've we've
we verbally hear it come out of his mouth, the
words that he uses, the way that he thinks. I
understand why he has to meditate before games, because I
think his brain is going one thousand miles an hour,
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and to play this position, yes, you have to process
at one thousand miles an hour, but you can't consciously
think about all those different pieces. And I do think
that that comes with repetition, that does come with just
being more comfortable and seeing more things and what's you
start to mentally prioritize what's important on any given play.
But I can see why he understands himself because obviously
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he does a lot of self reflection, which is great.
He realizes that his best version of himself is when
he's the most calm, right when his brain is like
the most is slowed down, quiet mind, his quiet mind.
And I think when we after that first quarter and
after those some scripted plays and off, after all that
pregame meditation quarters three and you know two and three,
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I think he loses that because there's not enough time
on the sideline for him to like quiet his mind
he needs to find a way through repetition or whatever
it is to quiet his mind throughout the game.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Ben Le Brown Paul Allen Nordo produces into the second
half of the radio show after this, I brought this
up with the coach on Tuesday. What about the other kid,
the other kid, twenty two year old Dallas Turner. Are
we seeing anything from him that sells hope for something
big time as he continues to grow?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay, say that again? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Three two brought this up with O'Connell on Tuesday. The
other kid? What about the other kid? Twenty two year
old Dallas Turner. Are we seeing anything from him that
sells hope for something big time as he continues to grow?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Hmm, I think he had one of his best games
this last week, which is great.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You know, I continue to think that. I mean, I
don't want.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
To sit here and project like this is what his
whole career is going to look like. But to me,
he's he's To me, I think he's settling into this
like really really dynamic role player that can come in
with a healthy Grenard and with a healthy van Gyinkle
and give us this this extra piece. But as far
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as being a consistent three down player. In comparing him
to a Grenard or Van Gyinkle, I just just don't
see it at this point. I just, you know, I wish,
I wish I could, And I'm not saying that he's
not an important piece, but I think what you're looking
for with that sort of draft status and that sort
of thought going into his career, as the vikings that
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he was going to be a three down guy, I
just see him as a pretty dynamic role player and
passing situations, and that's fine if he can go out
there and give you, you know, maybe some like dj
Wanham sort of you know, you know, if he can
ever get to eight nine sacks a year, that's productive.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, you kind of mentioning Wantam.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That was kind of the route I was going down,
because I was thinking about, you see, statistically, you mentioned it,
he probably had his best, your most productive game statistically,
certainly in his short stin here. But I kind of
do I'm starting to look at him as a Patrick Jones,
a Wantam. I think about a Faudio Denebo when I
think about Dallas Turner. Now, people don't want to hear that,
given on where he was drafted, but all of those
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guys are great example of in a reserve role, in
a spot moment a faudio I Dentibal playing inside and
outside at times. We saw the success he had here,
he never had that success again once you asked him
to play sixteen games and play a ton of snaps.
And similarly with Dallas Turner, whether he was being used
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in various spots his rookie season, just trying to get
the kid on the field, and now that we've gotten
to see him start sadly because of injury, whether it
was Grenard or Van Ginkel, I'm starting to think like
this is a cat that comes in in certain spots
and can absolutely win the day. But if you got
to play him for nearly seventy snaps like what we
saw against the Bears, I just I'm not seeing the
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evolution and the quality there.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, it is one of those unique positions in every
position on the football field is different. You know, we
talk about quarterbacks. We just had that last segment the
whole thing about McCarthy. I do think quarterbacks they need years.
You know, sometimes they need years to really get their
full potential and see what they look like. And you know,
some of it's just based off of schemes, some of
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it's just reps all of those things. I think that
is very unique just to that one position a lot
of other positions. Man Like, you can see a lot
of where the potential really is and where the reality
is in just one season. You know, you can see
it in one season. And we've seen, you know, a
lot of games out of Dallas Turner. And that's why
I'm saying, like, I'm not saying that he can't be
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a consistent starter. I just think his best role as
he goes down and has a long NFL career, that
it's going to be more of that pass rushing role
in that spot player where he's getting thirty snaps a
game versus sixty five snaps a game.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
What are some of the best routes to beating the
Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Got to jump on them early. This is a team
that is struggling offensively. They're having some issues that are
different than ours. You know, their offensive line is kind
of trending the wrong direction. That's kind of because of injury.
But they haven't really played great on the offensive line
the whole year, and it's it looks.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Like it's regressing.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
They only score in the last four games six and
a half points in the first half. So they're not
a high scoring jump on your early you know, we're
gonna get up on, you know, by a bunch of
scores in the second half and then then let our
defense go eat. You know, it's quite the opposite. They're
kind of a slow starting offense and they're in they're
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becoming more clunky because they don't have Craft and they
don't have, you know, a true solid number one receiver,
and then you know, even even their backup tight ends
are just not not even coming close to what Craft
can do. So you've got Josh Jacobs, who's probably gonna
play because he's just got a knee Brews and he's
a tough SOB and you know, as long as there's
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no structural damage, doesn't sound like there is.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Like he's gonna play their vox Wayne Laravie.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
An hour and a half ago nine to now, I mean,
unless he's playing a game. Was like and I and
he he was leaning more toards know Jacobs this week ND.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Really, I guess that's news to me.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I did not hear that segment, but I was just
kind of like paying attention to what people are saying
and doing on social media the last twenty four hours,
and it just it did seem like he was going
to play. I would imagine that he'd play, but I
don't know if they really look. They're gonna miss him
for sure, But I do think that they can. They
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can run running back by committee this thing for this
at least this one game and be okay, you know,
I think they could manage the run game with the
two backs that they have behind. It's gonna come down
to It's gonna come down to Jordan Love. I mean,
can he find some consistency with having lack of pass catchers.
Can their offensive line hold up against our defensive front,
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which is pretty dang good and can.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Get after the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
That'll be the big thing for us is can we
shut their offense down in the first half. Can we
jump on them and for us to play with the lead.
We've seen our team in spot moments play with the lead.
Can we grind on them in the run game, because
as good as their defense is, I do think that
you can run on these guys, especially if you commit
to it like we did last week.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Maybe a dumb question is Micah Parsons a full game
player because I see him like, you know, you want
to talk about clutch. We look at that in QBS
like Parsons when you need the sack. It feels like
late moments of games he finds the sack. I also
see him leaving the field for not insignificant periods of time.
And so now it's like it's Edar and Cooper, it's
Rashan and just productivity out of the front seven for
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most part is pretty stable. But is Micah truly a
full game player? And maybe jumping them early is part
of that conversation in terms of how we beat the
Green and Gold.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Well, he's proven to not be, you know, a three
down four quarter player, and I think that he understands
that if you listen, you want my best, you want
me to be the closer, you want me to be
impactful on the on the money downs, well then you
got to give me a little break. And I do
think that he's so twitchy, he's so explosive that if
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I'm is it Halflee is at the the If I'm Halflee,
then I would say listen, dude, like I want you
at your very best when we need it. If you
need to take a breather here and there. That's fine.
You know, we rotate guys on our defensive front two.
So is he Is he a Max Crosby type? No,
he's not, and you know only few people are when
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you're that explosive of that twitchy to be to give
it your all that, you know, for every snap for
four quarters. So I'm not going to say that he
intentionally takes plays off because of his attitude or his mood.
I just think that he understands if you want my best,
I got to have a few breathers. And he's going
to come back on when it's you know, third and
six and they need a sack, or it's in the
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fourth quarter and they there's a couple got to have
it plays.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
He's going to be out there. Though.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Lastly, Bills are at the Texans tonight for some reason.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The other day on the radio, I said, I.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Like the Bill skitch to the super Bowl or represent
a middling AFC.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So I guess I'm all in on that one.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I do believe it is like the playing the
Patriots at Gillette or Denver at Denver. Okay, yeah, give
it to me now. I mean, if I'm somebody in
the AFC, I'm like, give it to me now, sure.
So what I'm getting at is I think they're some
middling to that whole conference kind of led me to
Buffalo taking a bad loss to Miami, having to be
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an eye opener, needing to work on that passing game,
working on the passing game. So I just trust Josh Allen.
But anyway, do you have a team from the AFC
you like for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And why no?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I actually have them at the top of my list too.
I think they are well coached. They're super thirsty, right,
I mean, they are beyond dehydrated and.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Parts to get to get into that big game.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Their run defense is I like, the next day, I
look like, all right, well see a couple of things here.
But I'm more riding an emotional organic. Probably should look
at a few things. Okay, cool, they you know, fan
base coaches everything. Yeah, we need to throw better, Yeah
we can run, well, we need to throw better.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They did. Then they're run dye. Ooh they're run defense. Eh,
it's consistently bad.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, listen, I think anytime you have if you just
then the three teams that you named Drake May with
bow knicks and Josh Allen, I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Taking aland in Kansas City. I'm tripping.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, Kansas City has the ninth defense and the
fourth offense, like rankings, Like they win by nineteen and
they lose by four and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
They're five and five. The eye test doesn't look good though.
To me, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And that's you know, that's where I think statistics sometimes
can be thrown out the window. I know there's always
contexts behind stats. Look, they're always a tough out, I
get that, but you could almost see it when you
watch them play. It's not the same team. For whatever reason,
it's not the same team. I don't think that they
have the juice this year. I think when they get
late in this season. Now, listen, they could prove me
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wrong here as we approach December, but they could flip
the switch and turn it on. Because I know how
exhausting is to constantly be in the AFC Championship Game
and be in the in the Super Bowl and playing
late in the season and having a truncated offseason.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I get all that.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
There's something about their mojo this year that seems off. Yeah,
And if you're telling me it's down between the Patriots,
the Broncos, and the Bills. Yeah, I'm taking Josh Allen
and the Bills. They don't have They don't have that.
They don't have to worry about their nemesis, the Kansas
City Chiefs. They can play a little bit more free,
and they can go out there and win the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And Lamar's hurt again and they never throw the ball
down the field and they can't sack their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
He saw that team even they're okay to me, you're
asking me if that's a championship team.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't see the championship level.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well. See, I haven't watched the Broncos play this year,
maybe half a game. So they were on NFL networked
yesterday against the Chiefs, and I sat back and, you know,
while doing some stuff, kind of watched it, and specifically
when they were playing on defense, and first time I've
watched what they do defensively.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
My god.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, but the thing is is they have players on
their team. I think I know their names. I'm sure,
like I've come across them in a game call. But
the anonymity of a lot of players on that defense,
it's unbelievable. The run they're getting out of players most
have never heard of. They are so fast on defense. Yeah,
they're past rushing from the edges. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, Nick Bonito, that's about the only guy I can name.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You know, Well, they got this roach bit that we've
seen before.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I know we have no No, it's not the box,
it's it's this roach bit who plays part time demands
four hands every single time.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So I don't think Sirtain played well.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Fletcher Cox isn't in the league anymore, so he did
four hands on that.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right, But they they have players, you know, they they
have a corner Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I've heard. We've all heard of Riley Moss. Yeah, I
think we have.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He might lead the NFL in pass interference penalties. So
this is perfect anti Vike.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well, he doesn't getting openly picked on two big time
in that game as you're talking about, right, this is.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So perfect Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I mean he's able to raise the quarterback and he's
doing a good job. He's got some Marcus Colston's running
around at wide receiver, but they know the plays and
the depth of route, and defensively, well, they lead the
NFL in penalties. So he's pushing the he's pushing the
envelope on everything. He's pushing the envelope on everything, I know,
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but it works, you.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Know, like it's uh, there's something, there's there's a respect.
I know that around here. We can't you know, to
put that word with that guy. I know, it's gonna
ruffle a lot of feathers. Peyton's a good offensive mind.
The bottom line, he's a great coach.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I mean, you gotta get you gotta give him his flowers. Man,
he's he's a good coach. Is some of it?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Like the part of coaching is not cheating. Okay, so
he is a high end offensive mind. Okay, that's it.
I'm not gonna I'm not stretching it any farther.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But the other thing is, as a coach, you create
mindset and you create culture in the atmosphere and you know,
I think, and you get suspended for seasons there. But
there's something to be said when you know that your
coach plays with this edge. I got to play with
an edge too, And you've got the other people thinking
about this edge and envelope pushing and what's he going
to do?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, that that's part of it, I mean, wondering.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
They have an intimidating style culture, you know, and I
think that matters. Now again, you may not like it,
but if you're a Denver Broncos fan, you love it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
You're you're a highly competitive team that's that's going to
take no s from anybody. And you know, I think
a lot of Franks like, look at the Eagles. That's
kind of the Eagles mo. Yeah, top down. I mean
that's for decades, that's been their whole thing. Now whether
they live up to that, that's another thing. But it's
kind of nice that, like, hey man, they put with
the chip on their shoulder and they don't give a rip,
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and you know I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's it wins.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
See a Sunday for Appleton on a Saturday for Appleton.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Okay, yeah, we'll see on the bus.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
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Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, you know, way back after.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's over. Pauline took a shop steps stand hello one
oh yes, bullet The best performance, baby, miss yis your
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Speaker 4 (34:21):
How about forty two saves including that shootout winner. Boldie
was the one with the tally. I think that makes
him nine of eighteen. It might be fifty percent in
his shootout career, mister Boldie. But the Minnesota while handling
business at a high level right now, that's seven of
their last nine in which they've found their way to
two points. You dig that they did have a third
(34:41):
period lead couple goals by the Canes force Cot to
grab themselves a point, but all the same, they're in
the winner circle. It's the Penguins tomorrow night and just
good to see from that conversation. Podcast will later as
well with Michael Russo. Just some of the things that
I think the head coach put a yesterday pa. I'm
starting to see the team beginning to reach and understand
(35:03):
their identity, as we've seen multiple players reaching their own
identity individually, and maybe it starts with the goaltending in particular,
the Blue Liners good in front of them, but whether
it's Volstad or Gus Buss, both have been playing exceptionally
well during this little winning stint that they've had.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's the cliche oxymoron. Coach Hines has a good problem
because he does have a You can frame it up
with whatever word you would like to use, competition, goalie, conundrum,
whatever controversy. Uh, but he has the one on one
A are good and and one A, it can be argued,
(35:42):
has gotten every bit as good, if not better than
the perceived one. But that's not bad because it'll make
both of them better. It's an iron sharpening iron bit
and they I think they finish this home stand four
to zho and one like seven to zero to one.
This month they have said the kid tomorrow night. Then
they have Winnipeg Jets on Sunday. Yeah, and they haven't
(36:03):
beaten Winnipeg in nearly three years. So that has to stop.
To the NBA feasting on bad teams.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
That's kind of been the talker with the Howl, the
Minnesota Timberwolves, and in a way they did. You know,
the final score line one twenty one oh nine doesn't
really tell you about the fact I think they put
up seventy one in the first half. They were up
by twenty five. Third quarter felt like cruise control. Anthony
Edwards can't hit a three to save his life right now. Still,
it was bad with it last night.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, he was like one a eight. Wow. Julius Randall
is unbelievable this year. I think he had thirty two
last night something like that.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
But but his combination good stretch out a nas read
lately as well. Yeah, these games have been fun to
watch and as we again kind of emphasize, while they're
beating on those bad teams, they're doing so in what
appears to be a pretty nice fashion.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I like how you put it the other day.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You didn't box up, you just you you like caused
a light to go on for me, because beating bad
teams over the years has been a problem for this team.
And then and now the the the preference with the
zero to five against two against the Nuggets, two against
the Lakers, one against some other team with a winning record. Yeah, yes,
I mean if that doesn't change, then they're not a
(37:21):
factor that needs to get better. Beats the alternative ten
to zero against teams with l like records. Yeah, so
that's I like how you put that.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Well, and that's the key you're gonna give Phoenix tomorrow night.
So let's go to Phoenix and get a w. They
have a winning record. They have a winning record, so
that could be that's one in our that's a feather
in our cap. Then you go, unless we lose, well,
unless we lose, which we're not going to because I'm
trying to think of who's even healthy out there. I
mean it's basically it's Booker and Dylan Brooks. They scoring
(37:48):
their points right now. Yeah, Dylan' scoring like thirty a
game the last couple of weeks. Have that happen. I
dropped Brooks because Jalen Green was nearing a return. J
Jaen Green reaggravated his hamming is out like six weeks
and Brooks is scoring twenty three game.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
They have a player they play about thirty a game,
who I swear sounds like a blue liner for the
Saint Louis Blues, Ryan Don. I always love that Ryan Done.
That's not a basketball name, that's a blue liner name.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And they got that Mark Williams cat who I think
there was. He was in that Dalton Connect trade with
the Lakers, but then he failed the physical and they
questioned his effort from time to time. But they can
get around Grayson Allen of course still in the mix.
But get that w then I believe it's off to Sacramento.
And then, as you talked about it earlier this week
in ith a big a big three game stretch really
(38:35):
at okay, see, let's not look ahead. Let's focus on
those champs to try to beat him the night before Thanksgiving,
and then you handle Boston at home. Yeah, so let's
you know, let's mitigate the the go off factor for
Jalen Brown yep, and then we potentially see Wemby Now
this calf strain, I don't know how long this thing's
(38:55):
gonna be for. I'm gonna get Wemby. I don't think
we're gonna get Wemby. He might be out a month
with this thing. I mean, he said, good grabbit. So
the calf is a potential problem. Just don't let Caldon
Johnson clown you.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
No, you should not. Absolutely so go Wolves, appreciate the victories,
and then now we'll find it. We'll finish up with this.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
You and Lever basically broke it down. I don't think
there's any more to talk about here. Texans have the
best defense in the NFL trying to find their way through.
I believe with Davis Mills Bill's five and a half
point favorites in Houston, this evening six touchdown performance for
Josh Allen just a handful of days ago.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
But this defense down in Houston presents problems.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
You're going to get to hear that actually on the
fan this evening Thursday back Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Style and with Fantasy Football Buffalo Wild Wings, Blaine, here
we come tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
With the ihop. There we go. No, I can't wait
for that.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
In honor of Paul as in Paul Chargie and our
next guest, but the Bill of Fair Tomorrow running Backs,
running Backs, Buffalo wild Wings, Blaine for the peace. Can't
wait for that, really, really enjoying the feast ten fifty eight.
We will take you to charge, as in Paul Charchion,
for some fantasy football nuggets and factoids when we return
(40:12):
to the final hour of this Thursday, nine to noon
at FN one hundred point three.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
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