November 3, 2025 • 36 mins
Pete Bercich kicks off the hour with more Vikings opinions, then listener talkbacks, followed by Dave Sinykin and the weekly border battle.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Clap, clap, lap.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We'll be with you in a second.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right nine to noon is at Twin Cities Orthopeds Performance
Center tomorrow, which means right around twenty five hours from mark.
Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, joins us,
and now we head out to said facility to join
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Pete Bursach, the analyst. He's at Pete Bursich via x
for hardcore football takes and when you're on YouTube, don't
forget to search Pete Bursage five six for his Eye
in the Sky video breakdowns.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And the analyst joins us.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Now, Pete, you you called yesterday's when you called it
the biggest win in Kevin O'Connell's head coaching career.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Why would that be?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I think because it was the most improbable victory and
it was the way with which the game was won.
It wasn't one by Detroit just giving the game away
or having a bad day and turning the ball over right,
they didn't drop it in our lap. It was it
was coming off of a awful victory or awful loss
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in Los Angeles and then turning around and getting this
team to play together. There was some infusions some new players,
no question about that. But defensively, it was the way
it was schemed and called was brilliant. And I think
offensively really the same way to get a lot so
much out of Aaron Jones. I mean, the little the
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end around to Jordan Addison when we needed it, the
changes that were made to accommodate JJ McCarthy and his
skill set in a way that these players played, and
how physical they were. So all those things coming together
to win in a place that you had never won before,
and you're playing the division leader coming off of a bye,
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so all those things, you know, Jamier Gibbs, and you know,
it's the whole thing with just how good Jared off
as Ben Montgomery, Gibbs, you know, just stopping am around
Saint Brown, so to speak. Sam with Porto, I mean,
this is a very very good football team. That's the
way he's going out and beat in all that together,
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I just I think that's as impressive. I've never felt
less confident going into a game, right, and to come
out and win and win decisively like we did, it's
to me that's just really impressive.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I agree with you for what it's worth, and
you know, that's a week and small change removed from
getting back from so far coming into nine to noon
at eleven AM, but listening to Nordo and Ron Johnson
on fan line and Nordo in what I thought at
first was like overly emotional fashion, but then I thought
it out a little bit and he was absolutely right
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when you know, he said off the Chargers game for
myriad reasons, all right, this is the greatest adversity Kevin
O'Connor has faced in his three plus years here, and
and they're just from darisaw in and out and Wentz
and the grimacine and the injuries and just so many things.
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I agree that that there was a lot of adversity
into that Lion's game. I agree with what you said
during and after the game about the magnitude of the game.
And it's just nice to feel a bubble burst because
they I don't know where they're going to go from here,
but they're you know, from just taking from somebody who
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is over there and around them quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
There.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
There was a tension bubble that burst yesterday and it
was sorely needed, right.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
It was, it was, and that's that's the head coach's job.
Right when you walk off the field in Los Angeles
and he got a lot of question marks, You've got
a lot of issues that you got to fix. And
then an attitude that needs to be you know, you
get you go out there, you got you were beat
up physically. That was a physical loss. They ran the football. Right,
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You come off that field, beat up, a lot of
question marks, and then you less than you know, a
little over a week later, have to face this. So
the attitude of the team to not give it, to
not give into the adversity, right to keep battling, to
play together, to you know, if they harbored some of
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their inner disdain for Detroit, not personal, just how much
you know, how how hard it is to play that team,
and how close they've been, uh, you know, the week
the game seventeen loss a year ago.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Those things stick with you.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
And to be able to mix all that and they
kind of bring it together and then have the team
go out and play the way they did it was
That's that's a that is not an easy thing to
do for an NFL coach, right, because these guys are
all individuals, they're all adults. But to get them to
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battle together like they did. That was it was pretty remarkable.
So all those things, not just the scheme, but managing
the personnel and the personalities and getting this team to
fight together like they did. And it was all three phases.
I mean, defense played well, especially, teams made some really
big big plays and uh, you know, offense with the
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with the young quarterback looked, you know, looked pretty good.
So he got all of them going and all firing
on this, you know, all of them firing together. So again,
I think that orchestrated, orchestrating and putting all that together
in in uh, you know, all over a week is
pretty pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There was a moment laid in the game at Ford
Field where the analysts became apoplectic listening closely. Here we go,
third down, it's third and one got two minutes to
go in the game. Golf takes a snap out of
the shotgun. Four men rush paid left. The Williams hoot
at the ten.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Oh my god, And that was.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
An awful.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah. Is there a flag? No plan? How can there
not be a flag on that?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think they might say Williams is out of balance
at the three.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
No, And I was right in front of us.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
That was awful. That was ridiculous. Why are you even
out there agreed after review bruling has been changed to
a touchdown. Oh my god, it's garbage.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So I'm sitting on one of the buses UH set
to go to the airport and listening to fanline. And
there was one or two people on Minnesota Vikings fanline
who didn't specifically disagree with what you said because you
weren't referenced.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But Nordo, you can speak for fanline. You're the host.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, feeling the Jamison Williams push off was not as
bad as some people think it was.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 6 (07:54):
That is accurate, Pete, and and we'll talk it out.
You're watching it live. I had the advantage of seeing
multiple replays and working through it that way. I just
thought in some ways there there was the extension, full
arm out and he makes contact. I think it's with Rogers,
and it almost looks like Rogers in some way tried
to sell it. There was no hand fighting or anything
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like that. I did not see it to be as
egregious as as you saw it in the moment, and
that was kind of the vibe talking to Ron Johnson
about it and such.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
That was kind of our vibe on fan line, but
that that was.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Why Ron didn't think it was a push off.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Of course. Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And by the way, before you speak here, Pete, to
the letter of the rule, there are three words that
are very key that that officials look at in the
rule book. Full arm extension. Yeah, and there was full
arm extension.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
There was. It was one hundred percent a missed call.
It was. It was a push off.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But the thing I loved the most about it, Pete,
is while I didn't think it was as egregious as
as you did.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
In moment, that's all good. We're moving on.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I would have loved to see a flag there listening
back to that call, and we were talking about it
with Abbot last night here at the station.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
How much do you hate our division rivals, Pete?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I mean, I've heard you calling games and sitting next
to Pa for fifteen plus years.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
But there's something extra.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Whether it's at Lambeau, it's the motor City, it's shy
town in.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
The shadow of Soldier, with the rubes around you.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
I don't think current players and coaches despise their own
rivals in the NFC North more than you do. That's
what makes that's part of one of the one of
the many reasons that makes these calls so good.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
With you in the vox.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I think that's something that that players we all had
back in the day, you know, we it was okay
to not like the Packers. You can hate them, that's fine.
Twenty years from now when you see them, you know,
at a reunion or something, or meet them somewhere, you're
going to be friends and say, hey, it's not personal,
it's just it's just business. It's how it is right.
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You have to win you division, you know. And then
you know, kind of it bugs me a little bit too.
It's like, hey, isn't this isn't this the state of
Drew Pearson? Do we not remember that play? Have we
not been down that road? Have we not experienced something
like that? I understand it was it was a playoff
game or whatever, but for for God's sakes, that was
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the one time of the game that was the one
thing that the Lions could do to win that football
game was to score quickly. And then they went they
went ahead and did something like that. And I'll tell
you something to that thing. That play happened right in
front of me, right, and the way the way the body,
the way that Isaiah Rodgers' body went back and then
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came forward, it was so evident. And we you know,
we've been I've been watching live football for the NFL
for thirty years, and the way that play just went out,
it was that obvious to me because that's what the
official see. They see the movement of the body of
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the wide receiver coming out of a break and then
all of a sudden kind of stumbles out of a break.
That's a sign of holding it's and this is the
exact opposite way, uh you know again on the dB
and the push off. But it was as obvious from
our angle, and it happened right in front of us,
but from where our angle, where I was sitting, that
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was as obvious of a push off as I have
ever if I I've seen in a long long time.
And it was a bit, it was a big time,
and it was a big time in the game. So
you know what's wrong with me losing it a little bit?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I mean the whole and that's the whole point. That's
how you play this game, right, That's how you play
this game. When things like that happen, you you let it.
You let it get to you, right, you let it
get to You're not gonna lose. You're not gonna lose
to your division rival. We're not gonna lose again in
Detroit of sick of walking the Ford Field and sitting
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it is, sitting by the buses right next to that
gigantic gumpster that's out there, thinking about, my god, what
a you know, what a what a what a day
this was for a while.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, it's a giant incinder raider. It's not a dumpster.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
But whatever it does, you you know what I mean,
whatever it is. But I'm just saying, you just get
you get sick and tired of walking through all the
concrete hallways in that place on your way out going,
Oh I wish we would have done this? Or you know,
how about that? Or Jamiir Gibbs, Boy, that guy's good.
It's like, well, you know what's screw that? Yeah, you know,
there's no reason why we can't beat him. That's my
that's my line of thinking, right, that's that's that's just whatever?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
All right?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Last, what what did the defense do to keep Jared
off so confused?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I don't know if it was Uh, it was the
entire protection up front. I don't think that they and
that's what bodies moving in and out. But they weren't
one hundred percent sure or what they wanted to do
or what they were going to do. They didn't have
per se a max protection or something they could fall
back on to make sure they had all the gaps covered.
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So there was there was indecisiveness in their offensive line,
which allowed our d line and linebackers. We took advantage
of their running backs and pass protection as well. That
was a huge thing. It was something that Montgomery showed
on film against Tampa Bay the week before, giving up
a big sack. So we exploited that with Eric Wilson
and with Cashman and with Ivan Pace making those guys
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block and those blocks occur rare right in front of
the quarterback. And again we mentioned it a million times,
this is a timing offense. Jared Goff is the whole
thing that breaks the throws. That's how they run after
the catch because the balls accurate and delivered on time,
and we were able to get Jared Goff off of
his spot. They were he was picking himself up off
the ground after completions after incompletions. It just that there's
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a cumulative effect of all that. And here's a guy
that has been seventy six point three accurate completion percentage
against us in the last five games, and we got
them down into the sixties. So that's how you beat
the Lions. That it was a textbook example of how
you beat the Lions and being multiple up front, and
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then Andrew Van Ginkle with his talent set, his ability
to rush and to drop and cover. That added a
nice little, nice little gasoline to the fire. And then
Javon Hargrave and playing so well, Jalen Redman continuing to
play well, Jonathan Allen doing a great job. Grenard in
such a leader out there. It's it was. It was
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a different it was such a different group man. We
played on their side of the line of scrimmage. They
were physical and uh, you know Levi Drake Rodriguez blocking
field goals. I mean, come on this this defense was
fired up, and uh they played. They played very well,
and that was eighty two and they did. They got
them on. They got it's not easy to get to
your golf off his game, and they did for for
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the almost the entire game.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
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Speaker 4 (15:06):
Thank you Pete, all right, sounds good, Perry, that's the analyst.
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Speaker 6 (15:26):
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Speaker 7 (15:38):
Week it was about turning the page, and my callback
was turning the page on this season if you remember it,
and I just have to eat my words and say
I apologize Kfan because we're back, baby. This team is back.
JJ is back. Call me Bandwagon. Guys are laying it
on the line.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It's great to.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
See well, but bar fleas, we'll come in.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We'll come in.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, that was fantastic, and there there's no I mean
that there.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Thanks for listening to FM one hundred point three, k FAM.
I mean these guys lay it on the line. I
mean it's clear that your bit raised. Thanks for turning
the page. No need ever to apologize to nine to noon.
You executed your bit in second to none fashion.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
We're back. So we're back.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Sorry, KFAM, school baby back to five hundred.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
JJ McCarthy getting into the rhythm of things.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
I know everybody else feels, but I think JJ McCarthy's
got a long, good career ahead of him. Only been
three games, but for the first time in his career,
he looked comfortable. Even when he had to get out
of the pocket and flush a little bit. He looked
a lot more comfortable, making a lot better decisions. Long
ways to go, very excited soul.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh the young man is play. Had twelve National Football
League quarters, and in my estimation, he has looked comfortable
in five of them. Yeah, the fourth quarter at Soldier Field,
now this is yes. There there was comfortability to a
certain extent in the first three quarters of the Bears game.
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The Falcons l for the home opener Sunday Night football though,
and so those two so yes, I mean there were
moments where there was comfortability, but this was a large
and in charge situation. The fourth quarter at Soldier Field,
he won the game. He basically single handedly won the game,
and he just win or lose. Yesterday, he just seemed
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like he absolutely belonged in that role and it slowed
down for him at a very difficult place to win
against US some high end defensive players and Aiden Hutchinson
and Ali McNeil and Nzeloney.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Campbell's gotten really, really good.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I never thought Jack Campbell's pass coverage and just his
overall game would be as good as it's gotten.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
They they O'Connell, I holt that rule on his sack.
By the way, see that's the bit. I think the
body weight bit is dumb. I mean, oh no, I
see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh yeah, we yeah, there were thirty yards of penalties
that should not have caught against the Detroit They ate
Nutchinson thing was dumb.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think it's really I think it's ridiculous change that rule.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I thought the kick, you know, the I don't even
know about the kick, but I didn't think it was
a kick, but.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm probably wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
But three two, like they neutralized Brian Branch in a way.
I don't know what they did. I mean, I ain't
trying to be Don Coryella in this thing, but Branch
a Branch makes plays every single game, and every single
game against the Vikings, you make a lot of plays
yesterday a Meek robertson, Terry and Arnold and Thomas Harper
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filling in for Kirby Joseph. They paid h and McCarthy
had to make them pay. He targeted Jefferson nine times,
more than double anybody else on the team. That that's
that'll do that that I mean, Justin didn't cross one
hundred yards, but he had a touchdown, both touchdowns from McCarthy.
So all of these little baby stories are developing. But
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that with that talkback, that was really cool.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah, and the talkbacks are certainly JJ dominated. One thing
off of that though, he mentioned decision making and that's
the key. Like, I don't think JJ made a mistake
with his decision making yesterday. I mean, it's it stinks
that you know, he throws it behind Naylor and of
course Terry and Arnold's going to get his first career
interception on a play like that where we're analyzing the
film and one hand here, two hands there.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Unless one of those two broken play running l's was
on the court.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
What happened. That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
It happened, well, the one nice, the one the entire
the entire Vikings team went left and Mason went right.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, and I think he was just patting his chest. Yeah. First,
so I'm curious, like maybe.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Some communication errors potentially there was that second, that one
earlier in the game as well.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I just envisioned him taking the snap and turning around
and going happened because it happened, because that's.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
What I looked. So it wasn't perfect.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
I just think the the spirit of his decisions, the
things that he was looking at on the field and
how he addressed it.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Whether the throws somewhere inaccurate.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
He made mistakes, but I just really liked the decision
making yesterday. Right, let's let's go back to the talkback machine.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Hey, it's a little warning for the NFC North. You
guys are still dealing with babyface JJ McCarthy. I think
wild card this year, maybe a little playoff run, but
I'm telling you another winter of some ring sausage and sauerkraut.
You're gonna see JJ McCarthy come into the season next
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year out of hibernation, maybe with a little hair in
his chest, maybe a beard.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And you guys are in trouble. Well, it's I don't know.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
We're gonna go to the playoffs, man't you. I'll tell
you that right now.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'm I'm going to defer to you on this because
you do fan line, yeah, in fantastic fashion, so you
listen to more talkbacks than I do. I can't recall
a stark difference week to week, game to game because
like last year, Okay, it's like Darnold miss five wide
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open guys in the end zone. Probably could have used
the third and seventeen to Hockinson middle of the field
between the hash marks.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
But good for Sam. Good for Sam.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He's setting an NFL records and winning games and putting
up thirty eight points and Flores is on the horizon.
But we have time to get to that. Okay, three two,
so that's great. But it's like when they lose to
the Lions in Week eighteen up to the playoff game.
I don't recall it being I'm so sad I'm so mad.
I can't believe that that thing just went that way.
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All right, but now I'm fired up for this playoff
game that's in Glendale, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So there wasn't a stark flip there.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Now from the Chargers to what you heard yesterday, what
you're hearing today.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, completely one eighty. It's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Well and it's just and let's let's be real about it.
Like getting the getting his tackles back that helped he
was still I mean it was crazy the press the
pressure yesterday they generated. It was like fifty eight percent
pressures in his dropbacks, Like JJ was under siege at times.
He took five sacks. I think a few of them
are on him. We talked about the rollout. I need
to see him get rid of that ball. But maybe
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it shouldn't count as a sack because he was a
runner on Derek Barnes in particular. But but he was
under siege and he just he handled it. A week ago,
I was taking talkbacks and it was he's going to
get killed behind that olive. Like if you think what
you just saw from Carson Wentz is bad, first of all,
coaching staff. Everyone needs to be fired because of because
Carson Wentz was basically a victim that he was forced
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out into the game, et cetera. That was a big
part of it. But the start contrast between Uh, if
you thought Wentz was gonna be bad, gonna be bad,
just imagine JJ at Detroit Field.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Just put this thing on ice.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
The season is over to now talkbacks like this where
they're praising the kid and he's the next coming of
Dan Marino slash Tom Brady. I think it's definitely a
Stark contract with hair on this jest with hair on
his chest and maybe a beard.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Good morning Pa, this is Tom and rose Mount bought.
McCarthy had a great day considering everything that you need
to consider when goes into that.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Missing that much time being so young.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
One thing I did notice is the snaps and when
he's in shotgun are coming.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
In really low.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I think that's something we need.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
To fix before we get a couple of bad STAPs
going his way.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Skullbucks fair fair, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I don't know if it's a lot or whatever. I'ven't
watched us stuff back yet, but what would that be
for Brandell? His fourth start? Something around there for Blake Brandell?
You know who never at played center at any level
in his life before he had to start that game
in London against the Cleveland Browns. I think, yeah, yep,
so it's I mean, we got some work in progress
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terrorism here. Blake is really good in the running game,
really good in the run blocking game, and and I
think is filling in admirably, in fact above admirably given
he never had done it in his life.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So good for Blake Brandell.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And but but I do understand what you're saying, and
that I mean we're in the La Chargers game. I mean,
you know, we had a snap that went five feet
over McCarthy, I mean once his head. So yes, it
still is kind of a work in progress. But you
know what, speaking of the Minnesota Moving Company it and
don't give Covenant collapse if you don't feel it in
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your heart, I do it behooves us to take a
step back and recognize there's one player on the Minnesota
Moving Company who has started all eight games. He only
has one or two penalties against him. And you never
hear the Tea R Radio box is saying anything bad
about Will Fries, I mean for making all the dances
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my man.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Uh, because think about it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
If Fries is like in and out with questionables and
all that kind of stuff off a season ending injury. Yeah,
that took him all off season to repair or or
to get up to speed with. And whether I heard
this or not, or whether I just whether I just
witnessed it or not, you know, conditioning for Will Fries
off this injury. I mean, you know we're in preseason
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games and and you know, my man's trying to get
himself in full throttle shape for the Bears. Yeah, there
was a lot that went into getting Will Fries back
in one piece.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's why, That's why there there was there was I
don't know, some some uh unum three to two there
there Yeah, whatever, So Will Fries company collapse from nine
to noon, and you uh that return from injury was
antithetical to a perception that Will wrong about mismanagement with injuries.
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But then again, you can't really go after it that
hard because there was no source tied to it. It
was just like source that So I'm like, all right, well, hey,
you know what, they manage that one pretty well. Yeah,
because he because he's played all eight games, he started
all eight games. Will Fries, who knew Man. Sources say,
mismanagement of injuries. Sources say fractured locker room.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I mean, I don't know what to do on a
Monday morning other than play another talkback.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
Morning Pa Morning Nordo say. I think we need to
make an amendment to the fairness in Kevin o'conac and
call it the trust in Kevin o'connac, because the talk
of the town leading up to this game was whether
or not KAO is going to change his play calling
to better suit JJ, And to me, I didn't see
a whole lot that was different. Maybe a little more
short place, but there were still the deep balls that
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JJ was thrown and he stepped up and proved that
he could do it. So I think Kevin saw something
that let him know he'd be fine running Ko's offense.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Uh tkam trusting Kevin o'connall. Act like that well done?
When we return, the Sultan of Smug David Sinecon joins
us to discuss all that is green and gold football
on KFA, host of Packer Previews Sundays KFAM and also
Packer a Review That's a podcast as part of the
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Don't at us. We've been doing this for multiple decades.
Whether Green Bay loses at home, is a thirteen and
a half point under a favorite, or they pull a
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giant upset like get to the super Bowl. David and
I are dogs. We're hippie brothers forever, so don't add us.
Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Thanks for making the time as always, Pia.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Thanks thanks for the nice text after the Vikings beat
the Lion yesterday. I don't know if you. I don't
know what part of the text like came from your heart.
The first part nice win for your boys. Comma, we
can skip boarder battle tomorrow if you want.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I know you were in jest with that second part
of it. But good morning, yeah, good morning.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's a fun sport we follow, isn't it. But you're
ready to call it a day one week and the
next week you think you're the best team in the world.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
It never ends.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I was worried about a possible trap game situation. A
loss was not on my Bengo card. However, I don't
know if.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's a mutual friend. But he's a dear friend of
a nine to noons. He's the mailman, he's the civil servant.
He's Johnny Kotishka. He's an elite fantasy sports mind. He's
also Green Bay Packers fan. In anticipation of you join him,
this elite football mind sent me a text and tell
me if you happen to agree with it. For the
head coach of the Green Bay Packers, Matt Lafleur, enough
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of the I need to be better and do a
better job bs. The team constantly plays to the level
of its opponents and has for years. They are not
a push button team. They need to play with the lead.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
What do you think, Yeah, some of that? I mean
last year this was a team that couldn't beat the
really teams and beat up on all the crappy teams,
and this year it's just the opposite. They perform well
against good teams and seem to struggle against bad teams.
It was a bad day for Matt Lafleur. All around.
Play calling was highly questionable. Made a terrible decision to
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go forward on fourth and eight from the ten down
seven early fourth quarter when the offense was a complete mess.
And Craft and Golden and Watson were on the sidelines.
You had no playmakers on the field. You go for
three there that ultimately might have made a difference in
the game. Yeah, I mean, Laflour's being thrown under the bus,
and he's got a lot to answer to. We all
hate the coach speak, I've got to be better. It's
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on me yesterday. A lot of that loss was on him,
but it ultimately it was a game where Packers got
beat up up front both sides of the ball against
the team or that they should have dominated up front.
Carolina doesn't get pressure. They were love space all day.
Packers came in fourth against the run. They couldn't stop
ric o'dowdell sacked Bryce Young just once. They actually made
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the yardage on the one sack. No hurries for Michael
Parson's first time in his career. Two turnovers, one touchdown,
and five red zone trips pad This team scored thirteen
points and never punted. I've never seen such a thing.
He can't puck that way and be.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So as out. Let's eliminate the part the Parsons. No hurries,
no pressures whatever, All right? That that is mind boggling.
But whatever it happened outside of that, what surprised you
most with the way things developed yesterday?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
How long is the segment. I'll have to try to
make this concise. I think ultimately it it rests on
the offense. You hold the team to sixteen points. Yeah,
the run defense was bad and they didn't get a
stop at the end of the game when you finally
tied it to force overtime, and that's very disappointing. But
the offense was an absolute mess. They could get in
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no rhythm. The running game was working effectively, but then
I thought he thought he'd leaned on it too much.
They try to make these big time explosive plays against
the defense that doesn't give up explosive plays. It didn't
call for that kind of day, and Love throw an
interception on a pass that should have never been thrown.
So just ultimately scratching my head about the inconsistent offense. Yes,
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they're missing some players, everybody is. The offensive line was
a real disappointment yesterday, and not giving Love time and
allowing a very mediocre pass rush to get in his face.
So that stood out to me. Is this team over
the last six weeks is averaging seven points a game
in the first half, and it's hard to win football
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games relying on big second half turnarout. So they got
to figure that out. And they've lost maybe their third
most important player likely for the season, and that's going
to be a really tough blow for this offense to overcome,
not having the one guy that opposing defensive coordinators go
into the week looking for ways to stop.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
So that that would be Tucker Craft.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right, Yeah, it's the twenty fifth birthday today. No official
word yet, but he posted on Instagram a very cryptic
image of the hour glass showing lots of sand left
you know, no worry, but on his knees. So we're
we're awaiting the official moves that he tore his ACL
and just a devastating blow one week after this coming
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out party on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
All right, so this this is not Border Battle trash talk.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But if I say Luke Musgrave has been an underachiever,
would you agree? And then the cat Fitzgerald, you.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Know who they need.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
They needed in a few games for blocking packages and
ended up making Ben Simms available and now he wears purple.
Fitzgerald has problems catching are are Are both those statements accurate?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, Yeah, it's Fitzpatrick. Yeah, they don't really go to
that much of our passing game. He's a good Blockermus
Grade is one of those guys. He's a tight end
in a wide receiver's body. You know, came out of
Oregon really fat, orget to stay, really fast guy. He's
not going to block at all. He hasn't shown the
ability to run after the catch. He can get open,
he's fast. They'll run some place for him. But he
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doesn't give you the all around package that Tucker Kraft
gives you, obviously. And yeah, I mean they really like
Ben Simms. Unfortunately, you know Watson was coming back. They
decided to keep two kickers on the roster and so
they let Sims get away. You guys, scooped him up
for the second time, and they'd love to have him back.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I'm sure we'll make a trade for some underachieving tight
end before tomorrow's deadline. But it's a huge piece of
this offense that the focal point was the tight end.
It cannot be that way anymore. They're gonna have to
look in other directions. Now Golden has a shoulder read
is still out Doms was very good yesterday. He's gonna
be the guy they lean on, but you don't replace
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Tucker Kraft. He was the one proven difference maker. Maybe
Watson's the second guy because of his speed and he's
had a nice return, But losing Craft is a major
blow for this offense.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
How how did the quarterback play overall?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Mediocre?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Not great? He was not the reason they lost, but
it wasn't a It wasn't a great performance. It was
just a sleepy performance by this whole team. And you know,
in between two big primetime games against the Steelers and Eagles,
you worry you're going to get a flat game. And
I thought Love was was part of that. You know,
it wasn't his shining hour, but I don't think the
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play caller did him any favors. And just turnovers, just
able to finish drives was kind of everybody contributed. The
offensive line too, Like I said, he had no time yesterday.
PA Panthers was a thirty first best pressure team in
the league. They looked like a top ten unit and
that was just a real surprise.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
How negative was Blake Moore on the podcast pack or Review?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It wasn't his as we were last Monday. That's for sure.
Our dobbers are down mostly because of the Craft news.
You know, a loss is a loss. Yeah, you beat
the Eagles next Monday night and you're feeling good again.
But man, it's just you lose a guy like that
when you've got title dreams. It makes it hard to
see the goal at the end of the rainbow at
this point.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, looking at that schedule, Philly at home, that should
be a heck of a game. At the Giants, you
should win that one. You got the Vikings at Lambeau
after that, then at Ford Field, then the Bears at home,
then at Denver, at Chicago Ravens at home at US
Bank Stadium. Damn, man, that's a that's kind of a
that's a little bit of a bear coming up here,
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isn't it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, it gets meady, It gets meety five of the
last seven our division games. And that's how you want
to schedule to break, right. We all want to play
our division games late. So they're gonna have to play
a lot better. I mean, the one silver Lining and
Blake Bore and I talked about it is they seem
to play their best when they play good teams, and
so if you've got good teams on your schedule, maybe
you'll get the better version of yourselves late. But again,
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lots of questions after that one. Yesterday to lose as
a thirteen and a half pint favorite. I think it's
the worst loss of the Lafleur era. I don't think
it's the most devastating or heart wrenching. We've got January
playoff games I could list for you, but most disappointing
embarrassing loss. I can't think of one that goes higher
than yesterday's. That was just a complete dug.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And lastly, in the silence you hear is lambeau Field
have a wonderful day.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Thanks Pa again, congrets on the win. That was big time.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Thanks a bout God bless you and your family. See you, David, Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
We'll be with you in a second.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right nine to noon is at Twin Cities Orthopeds Performance
Center tomorrow, which means right around twenty five hours from mark.
Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, joins us,
and now we head out to said facility to join
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Pete Bursach, the analyst. He's at Pete Bursich via x
for hardcore football takes and when you're on YouTube, don't
forget to search Pete Bursage five six for his Eye
in the Sky video breakdowns.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And the analyst joins us.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Now, Pete, you you called yesterday's when you called it
the biggest win in Kevin O'Connell's head coaching career.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Why would that be?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I think because it was the most improbable victory and
it was the way with which the game was won.
It wasn't one by Detroit just giving the game away
or having a bad day and turning the ball over right,
they didn't drop it in our lap. It was it
was coming off of a awful victory or awful loss
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in Los Angeles and then turning around and getting this
team to play together. There was some infusions some new players,
no question about that. But defensively, it was the way
it was schemed and called was brilliant. And I think
offensively really the same way to get a lot so
much out of Aaron Jones. I mean, the little the
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end around to Jordan Addison when we needed it, the
changes that were made to accommodate JJ McCarthy and his
skill set in a way that these players played, and
how physical they were. So all those things coming together
to win in a place that you had never won before,
and you're playing the division leader coming off of a bye,
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so all those things, you know, Jamier Gibbs, and you know,
it's the whole thing with just how good Jared off
as Ben Montgomery, Gibbs, you know, just stopping am around
Saint Brown, so to speak. Sam with Porto, I mean,
this is a very very good football team. That's the
way he's going out and beat in all that together,
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I just I think that's as impressive. I've never felt
less confident going into a game, right, and to come
out and win and win decisively like we did, it's
to me that's just really impressive.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I agree with you for what it's worth, and
you know, that's a week and small change removed from
getting back from so far coming into nine to noon
at eleven AM, but listening to Nordo and Ron Johnson
on fan line and Nordo in what I thought at
first was like overly emotional fashion, but then I thought
it out a little bit and he was absolutely right
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when you know, he said off the Chargers game for
myriad reasons, all right, this is the greatest adversity Kevin
O'Connor has faced in his three plus years here, and
and they're just from darisaw in and out and Wentz
and the grimacine and the injuries and just so many things.
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I agree that that there was a lot of adversity
into that Lion's game. I agree with what you said
during and after the game about the magnitude of the game.
And it's just nice to feel a bubble burst because
they I don't know where they're going to go from here,
but they're you know, from just taking from somebody who
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is over there and around them quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
There.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
There was a tension bubble that burst yesterday and it
was sorely needed, right.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
It was, it was, and that's that's the head coach's job.
Right when you walk off the field in Los Angeles
and he got a lot of question marks, You've got
a lot of issues that you got to fix. And
then an attitude that needs to be you know, you
get you go out there, you got you were beat
up physically. That was a physical loss. They ran the football. Right,
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You come off that field, beat up, a lot of
question marks, and then you less than you know, a
little over a week later, have to face this. So
the attitude of the team to not give it, to
not give into the adversity, right to keep battling, to
play together, to you know, if they harbored some of
(05:29):
their inner disdain for Detroit, not personal, just how much
you know, how how hard it is to play that team,
and how close they've been, uh, you know, the week
the game seventeen loss a year ago.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Those things stick with you.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
And to be able to mix all that and they
kind of bring it together and then have the team
go out and play the way they did it was
That's that's a that is not an easy thing to
do for an NFL coach, right, because these guys are
all individuals, they're all adults. But to get them to
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battle together like they did. That was it was pretty remarkable.
So all those things, not just the scheme, but managing
the personnel and the personalities and getting this team to
fight together like they did. And it was all three phases.
I mean, defense played well, especially, teams made some really
big big plays and uh, you know, offense with the
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with the young quarterback looked, you know, looked pretty good.
So he got all of them going and all firing
on this, you know, all of them firing together. So again,
I think that orchestrated, orchestrating and putting all that together
in in uh, you know, all over a week is
pretty pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There was a moment laid in the game at Ford
Field where the analysts became apoplectic listening closely. Here we go,
third down, it's third and one got two minutes to
go in the game. Golf takes a snap out of
the shotgun. Four men rush paid left. The Williams hoot
at the ten.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Oh my god, And that was.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
An awful.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah. Is there a flag? No plan? How can there
not be a flag on that?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I think they might say Williams is out of balance
at the three.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
No, And I was right in front of us.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
That was awful. That was ridiculous. Why are you even
out there agreed after review bruling has been changed to
a touchdown. Oh my god, it's garbage.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So I'm sitting on one of the buses UH set
to go to the airport and listening to fanline. And
there was one or two people on Minnesota Vikings fanline
who didn't specifically disagree with what you said because you
weren't referenced.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But Nordo, you can speak for fanline. You're the host.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, feeling the Jamison Williams push off was not as
bad as some people think it was.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 6 (07:54):
That is accurate, Pete, and and we'll talk it out.
You're watching it live. I had the advantage of seeing
multiple replays and working through it that way. I just
thought in some ways there there was the extension, full
arm out and he makes contact. I think it's with Rogers,
and it almost looks like Rogers in some way tried
to sell it. There was no hand fighting or anything
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like that. I did not see it to be as
egregious as as you saw it in the moment, and
that was kind of the vibe talking to Ron Johnson
about it and such.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
That was kind of our vibe on fan line, but
that that was.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Why Ron didn't think it was a push off.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Of course. Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And by the way, before you speak here, Pete, to
the letter of the rule, there are three words that
are very key that that officials look at in the
rule book. Full arm extension. Yeah, and there was full
arm extension.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
There was. It was one hundred percent a missed call.
It was. It was a push off.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But the thing I loved the most about it, Pete,
is while I didn't think it was as egregious as
as you did.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
In moment, that's all good. We're moving on.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I would have loved to see a flag there listening
back to that call, and we were talking about it
with Abbot last night here at the station.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
How much do you hate our division rivals, Pete?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I mean, I've heard you calling games and sitting next
to Pa for fifteen plus years.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
But there's something extra.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Whether it's at Lambeau, it's the motor City, it's shy
town in.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
The shadow of Soldier, with the rubes around you.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
I don't think current players and coaches despise their own
rivals in the NFC North more than you do. That's
what makes that's part of one of the one of
the many reasons that makes these calls so good.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
With you in the vox.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I think that's something that that players we all had
back in the day, you know, we it was okay
to not like the Packers. You can hate them, that's fine.
Twenty years from now when you see them, you know,
at a reunion or something, or meet them somewhere, you're
going to be friends and say, hey, it's not personal,
it's just it's just business. It's how it is right.
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You have to win you division, you know. And then
you know, kind of it bugs me a little bit too.
It's like, hey, isn't this isn't this the state of
Drew Pearson? Do we not remember that play? Have we
not been down that road? Have we not experienced something
like that? I understand it was it was a playoff
game or whatever, but for for God's sakes, that was
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the one time of the game that was the one
thing that the Lions could do to win that football
game was to score quickly. And then they went they
went ahead and did something like that. And I'll tell
you something to that thing. That play happened right in
front of me, right, and the way the way the body,
the way that Isaiah Rodgers' body went back and then
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came forward, it was so evident. And we you know,
we've been I've been watching live football for the NFL
for thirty years, and the way that play just went out,
it was that obvious to me because that's what the
official see. They see the movement of the body of
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the wide receiver coming out of a break and then
all of a sudden kind of stumbles out of a break.
That's a sign of holding it's and this is the
exact opposite way, uh you know again on the dB
and the push off. But it was as obvious from
our angle, and it happened right in front of us,
but from where our angle, where I was sitting, that
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was as obvious of a push off as I have
ever if I I've seen in a long long time.
And it was a bit, it was a big time,
and it was a big time in the game. So
you know what's wrong with me losing it a little bit?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I mean the whole and that's the whole point. That's
how you play this game, right, That's how you play
this game. When things like that happen, you you let it.
You let it get to you, right, you let it
get to You're not gonna lose. You're not gonna lose
to your division rival. We're not gonna lose again in
Detroit of sick of walking the Ford Field and sitting
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it is, sitting by the buses right next to that
gigantic gumpster that's out there, thinking about, my god, what
a you know, what a what a what a day
this was for a while.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, it's a giant incinder raider. It's not a dumpster.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
But whatever it does, you you know what I mean,
whatever it is. But I'm just saying, you just get
you get sick and tired of walking through all the
concrete hallways in that place on your way out going,
Oh I wish we would have done this? Or you know,
how about that? Or Jamiir Gibbs, Boy, that guy's good.
It's like, well, you know what's screw that? Yeah, you know,
there's no reason why we can't beat him. That's my
that's my line of thinking, right, that's that's that's just whatever?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
All right?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Last, what what did the defense do to keep Jared
off so confused?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I don't know if it was Uh, it was the
entire protection up front. I don't think that they and
that's what bodies moving in and out. But they weren't
one hundred percent sure or what they wanted to do
or what they were going to do. They didn't have
per se a max protection or something they could fall
back on to make sure they had all the gaps covered.
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So there was there was indecisiveness in their offensive line,
which allowed our d line and linebackers. We took advantage
of their running backs and pass protection as well. That
was a huge thing. It was something that Montgomery showed
on film against Tampa Bay the week before, giving up
a big sack. So we exploited that with Eric Wilson
and with Cashman and with Ivan Pace making those guys
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block and those blocks occur rare right in front of
the quarterback. And again we mentioned it a million times,
this is a timing offense. Jared Goff is the whole
thing that breaks the throws. That's how they run after
the catch because the balls accurate and delivered on time,
and we were able to get Jared Goff off of
his spot. They were he was picking himself up off
the ground after completions after incompletions. It just that there's
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a cumulative effect of all that. And here's a guy
that has been seventy six point three accurate completion percentage
against us in the last five games, and we got
them down into the sixties. So that's how you beat
the Lions. That it was a textbook example of how
you beat the Lions and being multiple up front, and
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then Andrew Van Ginkle with his talent set, his ability
to rush and to drop and cover. That added a
nice little, nice little gasoline to the fire. And then
Javon Hargrave and playing so well, Jalen Redman continuing to
play well, Jonathan Allen doing a great job. Grenard in
such a leader out there. It's it was. It was
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a different it was such a different group man. We
played on their side of the line of scrimmage. They
were physical and uh, you know Levi Drake Rodriguez blocking
field goals. I mean, come on this this defense was
fired up, and uh they played. They played very well,
and that was eighty two and they did. They got
them on. They got it's not easy to get to
your golf off his game, and they did for for
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the almost the entire game.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Pete's inclusion courtesy of Soup Cup Man you and Sue
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and then we got the Ravens coming up this weekend.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Thank you Pete, all right, sounds good, Perry, that's the analyst.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
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Speaker 7 (15:38):
Week it was about turning the page, and my callback
was turning the page on this season if you remember it,
and I just have to eat my words and say
I apologize Kfan because we're back, baby. This team is back.
JJ is back. Call me Bandwagon. Guys are laying it
on the line.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It's great to.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
See well, but bar fleas, we'll come in.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
We'll come in.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, that was fantastic, and there there's no I mean
that there.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Thanks for listening to FM one hundred point three, k FAM.
I mean these guys lay it on the line. I
mean it's clear that your bit raised. Thanks for turning
the page. No need ever to apologize to nine to noon.
You executed your bit in second to none fashion.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
We're back. So we're back.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Sorry, KFAM, school baby back to five hundred.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
JJ McCarthy getting into the rhythm of things.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
I know everybody else feels, but I think JJ McCarthy's
got a long, good career ahead of him. Only been
three games, but for the first time in his career,
he looked comfortable. Even when he had to get out
of the pocket and flush a little bit. He looked
a lot more comfortable, making a lot better decisions. Long
ways to go, very excited soul.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh the young man is play. Had twelve National Football
League quarters, and in my estimation, he has looked comfortable
in five of them. Yeah, the fourth quarter at Soldier Field,
now this is yes. There there was comfortability to a
certain extent in the first three quarters of the Bears game.
(17:18):
The Falcons l for the home opener Sunday Night football though,
and so those two so yes, I mean there were
moments where there was comfortability, but this was a large
and in charge situation. The fourth quarter at Soldier Field,
he won the game. He basically single handedly won the game,
and he just win or lose. Yesterday, he just seemed
(17:40):
like he absolutely belonged in that role and it slowed
down for him at a very difficult place to win
against US some high end defensive players and Aiden Hutchinson
and Ali McNeil and Nzeloney.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Campbell's gotten really, really good.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I never thought Jack Campbell's pass coverage and just his
overall game would be as good as it's gotten.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
They they O'Connell, I holt that rule on his sack.
By the way, see that's the bit. I think the
body weight bit is dumb. I mean, oh no, I
see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh yeah, we yeah, there were thirty yards of penalties
that should not have caught against the Detroit They ate
Nutchinson thing was dumb.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think it's really I think it's ridiculous change that rule.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I thought the kick, you know, the I don't even
know about the kick, but I didn't think it was
a kick, but.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm probably wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
But three two, like they neutralized Brian Branch in a way.
I don't know what they did. I mean, I ain't
trying to be Don Coryella in this thing, but Branch
a Branch makes plays every single game, and every single
game against the Vikings, you make a lot of plays
yesterday a Meek robertson, Terry and Arnold and Thomas Harper
(18:49):
filling in for Kirby Joseph. They paid h and McCarthy
had to make them pay. He targeted Jefferson nine times,
more than double anybody else on the team. That that's
that'll do that that I mean, Justin didn't cross one
hundred yards, but he had a touchdown, both touchdowns from McCarthy.
So all of these little baby stories are developing. But
(19:13):
that with that talkback, that was really cool.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah, and the talkbacks are certainly JJ dominated. One thing
off of that though, he mentioned decision making and that's
the key. Like, I don't think JJ made a mistake
with his decision making yesterday. I mean, it's it stinks
that you know, he throws it behind Naylor and of
course Terry and Arnold's going to get his first career
interception on a play like that where we're analyzing the
film and one hand here, two hands there.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Unless one of those two broken play running l's was
on the court.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
What happened. That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
It happened, well, the one nice, the one the entire
the entire Vikings team went left and Mason went right.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, and I think he was just patting his chest. Yeah. First,
so I'm curious, like maybe.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Some communication errors potentially there was that second, that one
earlier in the game as well.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I just envisioned him taking the snap and turning around
and going happened because it happened, because that's.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
What I looked. So it wasn't perfect.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
I just think the the spirit of his decisions, the
things that he was looking at on the field and
how he addressed it.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Whether the throws somewhere inaccurate.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
He made mistakes, but I just really liked the decision
making yesterday. Right, let's let's go back to the talkback machine.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Hey, it's a little warning for the NFC North. You
guys are still dealing with babyface JJ McCarthy. I think
wild card this year, maybe a little playoff run, but
I'm telling you another winter of some ring sausage and sauerkraut.
You're gonna see JJ McCarthy come into the season next
(20:46):
year out of hibernation, maybe with a little hair in
his chest, maybe a beard.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And you guys are in trouble. Well, it's I don't know.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
We're gonna go to the playoffs, man't you. I'll tell
you that right now.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'm I'm going to defer to you on this because
you do fan line, yeah, in fantastic fashion, so you
listen to more talkbacks than I do. I can't recall
a stark difference week to week, game to game because
like last year, Okay, it's like Darnold miss five wide
(21:21):
open guys in the end zone. Probably could have used
the third and seventeen to Hockinson middle of the field
between the hash marks.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
But good for Sam. Good for Sam.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He's setting an NFL records and winning games and putting
up thirty eight points and Flores is on the horizon.
But we have time to get to that. Okay, three two,
so that's great. But it's like when they lose to
the Lions in Week eighteen up to the playoff game.
I don't recall it being I'm so sad I'm so mad.
I can't believe that that thing just went that way.
(21:51):
All right, but now I'm fired up for this playoff
game that's in Glendale, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So there wasn't a stark flip there.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Now from the Chargers to what you heard yesterday, what
you're hearing today.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, completely one eighty. It's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Well and it's just and let's let's be real about it.
Like getting the getting his tackles back that helped he
was still I mean it was crazy the press the
pressure yesterday they generated. It was like fifty eight percent
pressures in his dropbacks, Like JJ was under siege at times.
He took five sacks. I think a few of them
are on him. We talked about the rollout. I need
to see him get rid of that ball. But maybe
(22:28):
it shouldn't count as a sack because he was a
runner on Derek Barnes in particular. But but he was
under siege and he just he handled it. A week ago,
I was taking talkbacks and it was he's going to
get killed behind that olive. Like if you think what
you just saw from Carson Wentz is bad, first of all,
coaching staff. Everyone needs to be fired because of because
Carson Wentz was basically a victim that he was forced
(22:50):
out into the game, et cetera. That was a big
part of it. But the start contrast between Uh, if
you thought Wentz was gonna be bad, gonna be bad,
just imagine JJ at Detroit Field.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Just put this thing on ice.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
The season is over to now talkbacks like this where
they're praising the kid and he's the next coming of
Dan Marino slash Tom Brady. I think it's definitely a
Stark contract with hair on this jest with hair on
his chest and maybe a beard.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Good morning Pa, this is Tom and rose Mount bought.
McCarthy had a great day considering everything that you need
to consider when goes into that.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Missing that much time being so young.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
One thing I did notice is the snaps and when
he's in shotgun are coming.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
In really low.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I think that's something we need.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
To fix before we get a couple of bad STAPs
going his way.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Skullbucks fair fair, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I don't know if it's a lot or whatever. I'ven't
watched us stuff back yet, but what would that be
for Brandell? His fourth start? Something around there for Blake Brandell?
You know who never at played center at any level
in his life before he had to start that game
in London against the Cleveland Browns. I think, yeah, yep,
so it's I mean, we got some work in progress
(24:05):
terrorism here. Blake is really good in the running game,
really good in the run blocking game, and and I
think is filling in admirably, in fact above admirably given
he never had done it in his life.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So good for Blake Brandell.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And but but I do understand what you're saying, and
that I mean we're in the La Chargers game. I mean,
you know, we had a snap that went five feet
over McCarthy, I mean once his head. So yes, it
still is kind of a work in progress. But you
know what, speaking of the Minnesota Moving Company it and
don't give Covenant collapse if you don't feel it in
(24:42):
your heart, I do it behooves us to take a
step back and recognize there's one player on the Minnesota
Moving Company who has started all eight games. He only
has one or two penalties against him. And you never
hear the Tea R Radio box is saying anything bad
about Will Fries, I mean for making all the dances
(25:05):
my man.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Uh, because think about it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
If Fries is like in and out with questionables and
all that kind of stuff off a season ending injury. Yeah,
that took him all off season to repair or or
to get up to speed with. And whether I heard
this or not, or whether I just whether I just
witnessed it or not, you know, conditioning for Will Fries
off this injury. I mean, you know we're in preseason
(25:30):
games and and you know, my man's trying to get
himself in full throttle shape for the Bears. Yeah, there
was a lot that went into getting Will Fries back
in one piece.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's why, That's why there there was there was I
don't know, some some uh unum three to two there
there Yeah, whatever, So Will Fries company collapse from nine
to noon, and you uh that return from injury was
antithetical to a perception that Will wrong about mismanagement with injuries.
(26:03):
But then again, you can't really go after it that
hard because there was no source tied to it. It
was just like source that So I'm like, all right, well, hey,
you know what, they manage that one pretty well. Yeah,
because he because he's played all eight games, he started
all eight games. Will Fries, who knew Man. Sources say,
mismanagement of injuries. Sources say fractured locker room.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I mean, I don't know what to do on a
Monday morning other than play another talkback.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
Morning Pa Morning Nordo say. I think we need to
make an amendment to the fairness in Kevin o'conac and
call it the trust in Kevin o'connac, because the talk
of the town leading up to this game was whether
or not KAO is going to change his play calling
to better suit JJ, And to me, I didn't see
a whole lot that was different. Maybe a little more
short place, but there were still the deep balls that
(26:48):
JJ was thrown and he stepped up and proved that
he could do it. So I think Kevin saw something
that let him know he'd be fine running Ko's offense.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Uh tkam trusting Kevin o'connall. Act like that well done?
When we return, the Sultan of Smug David Sinecon joins
us to discuss all that is green and gold football
on KFA, host of Packer Previews Sundays KFAM and also
Packer a Review That's a podcast as part of the
(27:17):
vest and ever growing iHeart Audio family. You can learn
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Don't at us. We've been doing this for multiple decades.
Whether Green Bay loses at home, is a thirteen and
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(27:38):
giant upset like get to the super Bowl. David and
I are dogs. We're hippie brothers forever, so don't add us.
Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Thanks for making the time as always, Pia.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Thanks thanks for the nice text after the Vikings beat
the Lion yesterday. I don't know if you. I don't
know what part of the text like came from your heart.
The first part nice win for your boys. Comma, we
can skip boarder battle tomorrow if you want.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I know you were in jest with that second part
of it. But good morning, yeah, good morning.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's a fun sport we follow, isn't it. But you're
ready to call it a day one week and the
next week you think you're the best team in the world.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
It never ends.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I was worried about a possible trap game situation. A
loss was not on my Bengo card. However, I don't
know if.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's a mutual friend. But he's a dear friend of
a nine to noons. He's the mailman, he's the civil servant.
He's Johnny Kotishka. He's an elite fantasy sports mind. He's
also Green Bay Packers fan. In anticipation of you join him,
this elite football mind sent me a text and tell
me if you happen to agree with it. For the
head coach of the Green Bay Packers, Matt Lafleur, enough
(28:56):
of the I need to be better and do a
better job bs. The team constantly plays to the level
of its opponents and has for years. They are not
a push button team. They need to play with the lead.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
What do you think, Yeah, some of that? I mean
last year this was a team that couldn't beat the
really teams and beat up on all the crappy teams,
and this year it's just the opposite. They perform well
against good teams and seem to struggle against bad teams.
It was a bad day for Matt Lafleur. All around.
Play calling was highly questionable. Made a terrible decision to
(29:30):
go forward on fourth and eight from the ten down
seven early fourth quarter when the offense was a complete mess.
And Craft and Golden and Watson were on the sidelines.
You had no playmakers on the field. You go for
three there that ultimately might have made a difference in
the game. Yeah, I mean, Laflour's being thrown under the bus,
and he's got a lot to answer to. We all
hate the coach speak, I've got to be better. It's
(29:52):
on me yesterday. A lot of that loss was on him,
but it ultimately it was a game where Packers got
beat up up front both sides of the ball against
the team or that they should have dominated up front.
Carolina doesn't get pressure. They were love space all day.
Packers came in fourth against the run. They couldn't stop
ric o'dowdell sacked Bryce Young just once. They actually made
(30:13):
the yardage on the one sack. No hurries for Michael
Parson's first time in his career. Two turnovers, one touchdown,
and five red zone trips pad This team scored thirteen
points and never punted. I've never seen such a thing.
He can't puck that way and be.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So as out. Let's eliminate the part the Parsons. No hurries,
no pressures whatever, All right? That that is mind boggling.
But whatever it happened outside of that, what surprised you
most with the way things developed yesterday?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
How long is the segment. I'll have to try to
make this concise. I think ultimately it it rests on
the offense. You hold the team to sixteen points. Yeah,
the run defense was bad and they didn't get a
stop at the end of the game when you finally
tied it to force overtime, and that's very disappointing. But
the offense was an absolute mess. They could get in
(31:08):
no rhythm. The running game was working effectively, but then
I thought he thought he'd leaned on it too much.
They try to make these big time explosive plays against
the defense that doesn't give up explosive plays. It didn't
call for that kind of day, and Love throw an
interception on a pass that should have never been thrown.
So just ultimately scratching my head about the inconsistent offense. Yes,
(31:31):
they're missing some players, everybody is. The offensive line was
a real disappointment yesterday, and not giving Love time and
allowing a very mediocre pass rush to get in his face.
So that stood out to me. Is this team over
the last six weeks is averaging seven points a game
in the first half, and it's hard to win football
(31:52):
games relying on big second half turnarout. So they got
to figure that out. And they've lost maybe their third
most important player likely for the season, and that's going
to be a really tough blow for this offense to overcome,
not having the one guy that opposing defensive coordinators go
into the week looking for ways to stop.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
So that that would be Tucker Craft.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right, Yeah, it's the twenty fifth birthday today. No official
word yet, but he posted on Instagram a very cryptic
image of the hour glass showing lots of sand left
you know, no worry, but on his knees. So we're
we're awaiting the official moves that he tore his ACL
and just a devastating blow one week after this coming
(32:33):
out party on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
All right, so this this is not Border Battle trash talk.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But if I say Luke Musgrave has been an underachiever,
would you agree? And then the cat Fitzgerald, you.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Know who they need.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
They needed in a few games for blocking packages and
ended up making Ben Simms available and now he wears purple.
Fitzgerald has problems catching are are Are both those statements accurate?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, Yeah, it's Fitzpatrick. Yeah, they don't really go to
that much of our passing game. He's a good Blockermus
Grade is one of those guys. He's a tight end
in a wide receiver's body. You know, came out of
Oregon really fat, orget to stay, really fast guy. He's
not going to block at all. He hasn't shown the
ability to run after the catch. He can get open,
he's fast. They'll run some place for him. But he
(33:20):
doesn't give you the all around package that Tucker Kraft
gives you, obviously. And yeah, I mean they really like
Ben Simms. Unfortunately, you know Watson was coming back. They
decided to keep two kickers on the roster and so
they let Sims get away. You guys, scooped him up
for the second time, and they'd love to have him back.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I'm sure we'll make a trade for some underachieving tight
end before tomorrow's deadline. But it's a huge piece of
this offense that the focal point was the tight end.
It cannot be that way anymore. They're gonna have to
look in other directions. Now Golden has a shoulder read
is still out Doms was very good yesterday. He's gonna
be the guy they lean on, but you don't replace
(33:59):
Tucker Kraft. He was the one proven difference maker. Maybe
Watson's the second guy because of his speed and he's
had a nice return, But losing Craft is a major
blow for this offense.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
How how did the quarterback play overall?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Mediocre?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Not great? He was not the reason they lost, but
it wasn't a It wasn't a great performance. It was
just a sleepy performance by this whole team. And you know,
in between two big primetime games against the Steelers and Eagles,
you worry you're going to get a flat game. And
I thought Love was was part of that. You know,
it wasn't his shining hour, but I don't think the
(34:35):
play caller did him any favors. And just turnovers, just
able to finish drives was kind of everybody contributed. The
offensive line too, Like I said, he had no time yesterday.
PA Panthers was a thirty first best pressure team in
the league. They looked like a top ten unit and
that was just a real surprise.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
How negative was Blake Moore on the podcast pack or Review?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It wasn't his as we were last Monday. That's for sure.
Our dobbers are down mostly because of the Craft news.
You know, a loss is a loss. Yeah, you beat
the Eagles next Monday night and you're feeling good again.
But man, it's just you lose a guy like that
when you've got title dreams. It makes it hard to
see the goal at the end of the rainbow at
this point.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, looking at that schedule, Philly at home, that should
be a heck of a game. At the Giants, you
should win that one. You got the Vikings at Lambeau
after that, then at Ford Field, then the Bears at home,
then at Denver, at Chicago Ravens at home at US
Bank Stadium. Damn, man, that's a that's kind of a
that's a little bit of a bear coming up here,
(35:40):
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, it gets meady, It gets meety five of the
last seven our division games. And that's how you want
to schedule to break, right. We all want to play
our division games late. So they're gonna have to play
a lot better. I mean, the one silver Lining and
Blake Bore and I talked about it is they seem
to play their best when they play good teams, and
so if you've got good teams on your schedule, maybe
you'll get the better version of yourselves late. But again,
(36:04):
lots of questions after that one. Yesterday to lose as
a thirteen and a half pint favorite. I think it's
the worst loss of the Lafleur era. I don't think
it's the most devastating or heart wrenching. We've got January
playoff games I could list for you, but most disappointing
embarrassing loss. I can't think of one that goes higher
than yesterday's. That was just a complete dug.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And lastly, in the silence you hear is lambeau Field
have a wonderful day.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Thanks Pa again, congrets on the win. That was big time.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Thanks a bout God bless you and your family. See you, David, Yeah,
see you at tchead Cheese. At tchead Cheese. I think
thehead Cheese dot com is still a thing, But we
also have the Packer Review podcast. Learn more about that
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