#92Noon! 10a Hour 12/11 - Leber

Ben Leber in studio for most of the hour on Vikings/Cowboys and NCAA ills, before a little snippet of news du nord!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:03):
But it's all good, all good. And if you don't know,
you're about to know, about to know about to know.
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in here. Yeah. Probably it's ten o six. The show
begins at noon. He is in here a good hour
and forty eight minutes early recording. Cool Christmas, it's that

(01:24):
time of the year, Nardo. Yeah, cool Christmas schedule. Brother,
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
We uh, I believe we're a week from Sunday, a
week from Oh wow, so we get the thing done
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it'll actually, I think it there. It'll overlap with the
Giants game. So people can be bouncing back and forth
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Speaker 1 (01:51):
Here comes Ben Lieber, sideline analyst for the KFA and
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(02:15):
We have a leftover Vike bite or two, mister Lever
that we would like in order to share with you,
and here they are. I got a couple for you, Ben, welcome,
good morning, good time.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
The Cowboys give up four point seven yards of carry,
so a lot of focus into the game is, of
course what Dak's going to do with Ceede Lamb and
George Pickens.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
But we can run on them.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I'm just curious if there's a scenario where our
commander's game plan is proverbially photocopied in some ways to
commit and maybe run on dem Boys on Sunday night,
you know, I would.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Say why not try it?

Speaker 4 (02:51):
At this point, I think that we need to find
it's important for us as we go into next season,
because that's kind of where we're casting our gaze.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, is you know, what is our identity going to be.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
If it has to shift a little bit from this
high explosive, vertical passing game, then that's fine. If it
looks a little bit more like it did last week,
you know, hopefully a little bit more of an amplified
version of last week, and we do have some more
explosives in the passing game. But if it is a
little bit more run centric and set everything up that way,
then why not test it out. We got tested out

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against all these defenses, against these different looks. What can
the kid handle you know how, how's our offensive line
going to go against a really good defensive front, you know,
not so good in the back end of their defense,
but really good up front.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
How are we going to handle that?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
So, yes, I would like to see the same blueprint
from last week be repeated this week.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And then well, I actually I got a bunch, but
well let's let's let's do this, and then I'll let
the host handle his business. How would you attack Dak?
As impressive as his offense is. In his thirteen games,
he's thrown ten picks, He's lost a fumble as well.
We've been on the bad side of Dak handling us.
We've been on the good side of stifling him and
limiting him at times in this highlight offense. How would

(04:09):
you attack Dak If you're mister Flores in this Vikings.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Defense, somehow, some way you have to be able to
disrupt his receivers at the line of scrimmage. So much
of their production is quicker passing game. I know that
a lot of people see the yards and how potent
this offense can be, they will take their shots. Don't

(04:34):
get me wrong, I mean they are going to try
to get downfield with some of their plays, but by
and large, I mean they set everything up just by
a lot of short, quick passing game.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So if we can marry up some of.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
That disruption at the line of scrimmage with their receivers
and at the same time get the pressure that we
always seem to get, then I think we're going to
throw off the rhythm of Dak. We're going to throw
off the rhythm of the whole offense. So to me,
it is about being physical within that first five yards.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Vikes bikes provided by thousand Eels, Lifetime grays grass fed
with the Vikings. But I guess some college football stuff
for you we'll get into momentarily. But all this pure
progression social media stuff and talk from Vikings coach Kevin
O'Connell regarding JJ McCarthy. First, how familiar are you with it?

(05:27):
And secondly, assuming you are any idea what all this means.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Well, I'm not super familiar with it because I'm not all.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Over the place.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I know, I was never a quarterback and you know,
I never looked at football from that lens. But what
I can what I can tell you though, is being
on the defensive side of things when they are looking
at the coverage aspect of things, going through the passing game,
through coverage and deciphering coverage. I would say so much

(05:56):
of our time as a defensive player, it is all
the funundamental stuff. It's the pre snap stuff, it's alignment,
it's assignment, all that stuff. It's also how can we
best describe disguise our coverages because there really there really
aren't that many coverages in the league, and you can
have some combination coverages. You can get to man coverages

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in different different ways. You can have different guys that
are free, whether it's a whole player like a linebacker
or we we'd call like a plugger or a robber,
which is more of a safety free guy. You know,
there are different ways to kind of skin the cat.
But by and large, Cover two is Cover two. I mean,
there's not a lot of difference between one team running

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Cover two and another team running Cover two. And same
thing can be said for Cover three. You know, as
an example, last week, they played a lot of Cover three,
that's what dan Quinn is kind of known for. And
then from that same look, a single high look you
get in a lot of man free looks, a lot
of man coverage because it all looks the same. But
here's like a little nuanced to how they would run

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a cover three. Normally, one of the two safeties comes
down in the box. Now you you are now that
hook player in a cover three. Well, they could do
the same thing, present themselves as a normal Cover three,
but then they would take that safety. Now picture just
a linebacker in that spot, and they at the snap

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of the ball would roll that guy over the top
of the corner and take that third of the field.
And now the corner plays that that buzz flat area
and then flat and then that linebacker that was adjusted,
he'll now take that new zone.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
So when you.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Look at it pre snap versus post snap, it's a
different way to get in a cover three. And if
I'm a quarterback, because I'm simple minded, I would see
all this stuff happening after the snap by go.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
What are they doing? And you'd be sacked and I
would be sacked, like where are they going?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
And then you'd watch the film like, well, that's just
Cover three, but the safety took the corner spot and
you're like, oh, snap, I didn't realize that. Now, if
you're going off of just pure coverage, based responsibilities. It
takes time, and as JJ was talking about, you have
to break all of that stuff down, and then you
also have the rush that you have to feel. You

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may have to break out the pocket, you may have
to break off things, and then you have to throw
in the fact that the receivers have to see the
same thing and they have to just their route based
on the new look that's different than the pre snap look. Really,
to me, it's like it would break my brain yea
on every given snap. So I do think looking at
dee or looking at offense is in a pure progression

(08:40):
sort of way, just going one, two, three, I'll throw
to the guy that's open, regardless of what the coverage is,
I think is an easier way to look at it.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Brilliantly explained from a learned football mind. But reason sixteen,
can you repeat the part of this stuff where you
said all about the I know I wasn't trying to
don't read those screenshots because of all of that. It's just,
you know, I was trying to I wasn't trying to
make it complicated. I was just trying to paint a
picture like how in a very simple way, how difficult

(09:12):
it can be when you should. But here's here's the
best part.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, you can take this approach of being progression based,
which sounds like they're doing, which is great. Eventually, after
enough snaps and enough starts, yep, you inherently just start
to pick up on the coverage aspects of it. So
then all of a sudden, now when you're watching film
you see dan Quinn, You're like, I'm very familiar with
dan Quinn and the way he runs his defense and

(09:36):
all of his subjects that come from behind him that
take over these other defenses. As the years kind of
stack up, he will just JJ and all these young quarterbacks,
they they just instinctively will pick up on the coverage
stuff without without explicitly having to think about it every snap.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Fiha, fairness and host act. I'm stupid, You're smart Ben
Labern's studio at not your Leber via the X Machine.
So if I say just or I have said many times,
but if I say Justin Fields does not have a swivel,
he lacks a swivel. He can't find his swivel. Does

(10:16):
that mean he's void of progression or purity?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I honestly, it's it's tough to tell. Because I don't
know what he's being taught. You know, maybe it doesn't
have a swivel. Well, maybe he hasn't had a coach
like Koc that says, Okay, let's let's just we can
think about this a different way, like let's let's simplify
this offense in a different way. And as they keep saying,
let's keep stacking these positive and keep stacking these wins,

(10:44):
maybe he hasn't had that mentorship in that coaching. It's
so it's hard to say whether some of these guys
are you know, their loss, doesn't have it, not ever
gonna get it again, go back to Baker Mayfield. A
lot of people said, doesn't have it, ain't ever gonna
get it, We're done with him. Yeah, and then he finds,
he finds his people, he finds he finds his swivel.

(11:06):
He finds his swivel in Tampa Bay. I mean, big
time example right there by the way.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can can you ask that question just one more time
for a moment, PA about justin fields?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Justin fields? If I say he lacks a swivel because
he's like a one one and a half read guy,
does that mean he lacks progression or purity, how much?
How much merit do you think this question has? So

(11:36):
like save the question for Kevin O'Connell at a press conference,
it would be why didn't we do this with McCarthy
early in the season. Earlier in the season. Pure progression.
It's just whatever has gone into the word simplification that
an Egan is preferred to be streamlining, Like do you

(11:58):
think that question as merit? Sure, I think it has merit,
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I don't think that you have to think that deeply
about it as to like why they took the approach
that they did. I mean, McCarthy's a super smart guy.
He's probably been proving in a lot of practices and
classroom settings that he can handle a lot of this stuff,
and he probably can.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know, we heard the same thing.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
About Christian Ponder, Christian Ponder, and I don't I don't
want to like I'm only going to compare the two
in this in this light that you know, Ponder, they
were amazed that he could break down a defense he
could he could watch on film as they're watching that
same play Iff was talking about with dan Quinn's defense
and know exactly like you know what when that guy
comes down and that linebacker shades over. He's gonna stay
down and that's gonna be cover three. Great, we'll run it. Well,

(12:42):
we'll run the routes that you know that are gonna
beat the cover three. When you get out in the game,
you might not see some of that stuff, and things
are happening faster. So it very easily could be like, look,
we thought that he proved it in all of these settings,
through these practices and OTAs and trainings and all this
other stuff, and then we're starting to understand that, you know,

(13:04):
maybe the bullets are a little bit too fast and
too hot for him during the games. Let's just readjust
I mean, he was a start. He was a starting
quarterback for what five games before koc said maybe we
should pull the reins back a little bit. Five games
We went two and then miss five and then play

(13:24):
for then miss one.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah. So all of a sudden, now people are like, well,
you guys should have done this earlier. Well you can't.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
So are we not supposed to give Dallas Turner an
opportunity to run our defense? Like run our defense before
we have to adjust to what you're best at.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
You know, same thing with JAJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
You know, five games is an extremely small sample size,
yep for you to like shift gears.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
So I don't I think it's a valid question. I
don't think it has a lot of merit. Teams now
have film team for Sunday Night, but teams moving forward
now a film on what works Sunday and the pure
progression stuff and just the way Sunday was orchestrated offensively.
So what's the next move for O'Connell McCarthy and the offense.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well, I think it continues to build into again, not
trying to force everything to JJ justin Jefferson, but he
does have to be a part of this offense. And
so however, we can slowly start sprinkling in some more
plays designed for him, looking to him a little you know,

(14:37):
first and second progression, and hopefully it's not just behind
the line of scrimmage. It is those deep overshots. It
is those plays where we are getting him more wide
open thrown to him in stride and in motion so
he can catch it and run. That's probably the next evolution.
And again, does it have to happen this next game? No,

(14:57):
I think we continue to do what they say they're doing,
and they stack the positive plays. They build momentum, and
this defense is going to give you some stuff, right,
they are going to give you opportunities. They've proved it
all year long. There are ways that you can isolate
their linebackers. Their linebackers are not very good. I don't
think they're very good in run and in coverage. You

(15:19):
can't exploit some of the backside stuff that they do.
When they're coverage stuff, they seem to get really undisciplined
on the backside. So if you can and if we
get time against this front four and front five, if
you can get through that progression and get to the
backside of some of these plays, I think there's some.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Big plays over there.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
So it is still about being patient and just taking
what the defense gives you, because this defense will give.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You a lot. So all right, the Vikings lose the
game in Dublin, but it was a parent against the Steelers.
The mark, so to speak, was number six Patrick Queen.
I mean, holy cow, O'Connell just went at him like
a hundred times, and it mostly was working Kenneth Murray
for the Dallas Cowboys from what I'm understanding. And then

(16:02):
now listening to you without mentioning names. I think Kenneth
Murray's the new pat, He's the new king to the
Patrick Queen. And he may be the Mark, well, he
may be the Mark. And the thing is, it's really
more about that position. Because you know they picked up
that Logan. Logan will sense from.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Sincy to because because Murray was struggling so bad, they
play the same position. They will alternate throughout the game,
back and forth. It doesn't matter. I mean, Logan's not
fast in space. Wilson's downhill guy. He's he's not like,
if you get him moving backwards, you got him beat.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Even moving side to side, you got him beat.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Murray doesn't really seem like he knows where to line
up in this defense, yet doesn't seem super comfortable. So
he's also not a space player. I wouldn't trust him
in space. So look, the Lions did a good job
kind of take advantage of all those guys. That's why
I in overshown he's okay. Like again, I think their
inside linebackers are extremely vulnerable, just like their offensive tackles

(17:09):
on the other side with minus geiten are extremely vulnerable.
So it is a big time offense. They do have
them their vulnerabilities, and this defense is as porous as
it looks on paper.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Now, Ben Leeber played two seasons in San Diego with
quarterback Philip Rivers. Now Philip didn't start a game those years,
and as we all know by now, at age forty
four and having not played in five years, he's gonna
start games for the Indianapolis Colts this season, trying to
desperately hold onto the AFC South Crown. What do you

(17:41):
think about all this?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I mean, from a pure comedy standpoint, I love it.
I mean he's he's just a walking, talking SoundBite every
time he gets in front of a microphone.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, now, Kaepernick's just absolutely right. Oh yeah, yeah, what
are we gonna hear? When are we gonna hear the
report that he's still working out at some high schools?
So work it outtay it out. And I'm Roley Leonard,
I'm like, mother, Yeah, I'm gonna guess you know what.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Obviously one guy is gonna be welcome to the locker room.
I think the other guy's not gonna be welcome in
the locker room. So you know, he's he's just the best.
I mean, he's he's such a good guy. He's uh,
he's a great presence in the locker room. Guys are
gonna love him. However, if I understand this correctly, you know,
he took that offense that he ran before and implemented

(18:30):
that into his high school offense that he was coaching.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
So last time he played, well, there hadn't been a pandemic.
I'm not kidding. Yes, it's true. It's true.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
I just don't know how physically he can do it, right,
because even if you sit out for a year, I mean,
look what happened to Frank Ragnow. I mean he was
out for less than a year, and he tried to
he tried to hustle his body back and it sounds
like he popped his hamstring.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
So you know, five years away, he's not throwing the
football as much as he you know, a normal quarterback
would be throwing the football.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, they do some funny things over there. You know,
they had Jeff Saturday as a head coach for a while.
I mean that kind of came out of nowhere with
no real experience. That was sort of fun.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
For three or four weeks. We'll see how this goes.
I don't know if at first hit though, yeh, it's
gonna be brutal. If they are behind in games the
Indianapolis calls and they have to throw, May God be
with him. I mean it's off the first hit, off
the you gotta move, I can't move. I mean it's

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if they're behind and they have to throw, they're in
massive trouble, right, Yeah, yeah, they really are. I'm guessing
that every quarterback that they have.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
On that roster has to be on high alert because
it doesn't He's not coming in there to be the savior,
I don't think. I mean he might give you some,
you know, a game or two maybe, But to your point,
if they get down and they have to throw the ball,
I just take him out.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
This working say it works, okay, and it tangibly works
so that everybody can see it and feel it. And hey,
they won the division. They won a playoff game with
forty four year old Philip Rivers who hasn't played in
half a decade. Every old quarterback this side of Sage
Rosenfels is going to have their agents blowing up general managers' phones.

(20:21):
It's going to be a disaster for thirty one general
managers in the NFL. If this thing works, i'd tell
you what I mean it.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I think there's a lot of players it's in general, Yeah,
that probably been off for a year or two.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Their body feels a lot better.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
They've been mentally and emotionally refreshed, and they're probably tapping
their age on their shoulder and like, hey, I could
go out and give a couple defensive ends Nats, Right,
I can do this. This team is down, they need
a pass rusher. I'm in I can do that. So sure,
I think there's a lot of guys out there. Whether
whether it works or not, I think there are guys

(20:55):
that probably would want to come.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Back, but they don't pick up the phone until somebody
is permitted to do it.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Well, let's let's see it kind of works. Yeah, let's
see if their agent still has their phone number. Unless
unless they've kind of turned the other cheek too.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
How old is Jeff George with the purity of that arm?
Are you kidding me? Like, just like Jeff George, don't
can't throw the football?

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Come on, So I did pose on on my social
media accounts, you know, just you know, just for fun
from Vikings fans who would what plus forty player would
you want to have come back for the for the
remainder of the season.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Oh, I mean it was forty meaning size wise or
a bust size. Okay, Oh jeez, well does that mean
they were a bust or they have a bust plus forty?
What who's winning the well? I think Moss was number one? Yeah, yeah,
John Randall was two. Saucer was up there, top three

(21:49):
for me. I even had some bee feeder by trade
and a feeder for life, and all of a sudden
the day of the bee feeders back.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, we have a blocking tied and that all he
does is catch touchdown. Yeah, So I mean, why not
bring let's We're going to see a thirteen personnel with
the Cowboys this weekend, so why can't we go thirteen
personnel with Kleinsauce and Josh Oliver a whole league folks?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
All right, our final segment with beloved Ben Nacho liber
Via X, thank you Children's cancer research fun. Don't forget
to watch Ben on Twin Cities Live Channel five today
from three to four thirty. We're going to get into
some non Vikings related conversation and also at the end
of the segment. If you missed Nordo's parody free ballin
We're going to play it back about twenty minutes from now.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Thanks to Gray's Food Hall by Travail in Minneapolis for
hosting Vikings watch parties during road games this season. Guards
he's been there several times. I've been there several as well,
double duty and we absolutely love it. And this Sunday
night at Gray's Food Hall cool by the way, several
different food options combined with the drinks, perfect spot to

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watch the Purple in action. And we'll do the Vikings
watch party again. It's a seven pm game on Sunday
night at Gray's Food Hall. I will be there, prizes,
giveaways at the end of each quarter. We're gonna have
a blast and hopefully we're gonna get to see JJ
free ball and we can be singing that together or
not probably that bad answer, but Gray's Food Hall Sunday

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night watch party.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Join us. That's cool. Where it's a place again, Nordo,
Gray's Food Hall. It's in Minneapolis. It's in the shadow,
it's backside of target Field. It's an awesome spot. College football.
Ben Liber at Nacho Liber for a hot tick. First,
why do you applaud Notre Dame, Iowa State, You're Alma mater,

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and Baylor for opting out of bowl games.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Because I think it's going to take something like this,
to something like this and other things as big as
this to get the uncuaa's attention that things have to change,
that people are not happy, that the whole system.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Needs to be So you mean portal NIL games just reevent.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
I mean they they want to act like there are
certain rules and obligations to bowl games when people abuse
the NIL they set a precedence for coaches to jump
ship during the middle of seasons.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know, they they.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Act like you can't do this because this is the
way it's always been. Are you out of your mind?
We are so off the rails with college football, Like
don't even get me, don't eve gnt me started on,
like you have to do this because you know we
allow you to basically be here, Like no, you don't.
Notre Dame and Iowa stayed in, Kansas State and Baylor

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and all these other teams that are opting out. We
don't owe you anything. You put us in a horrible
position because of your lack of leadership, because for years
and years and years the things that were going on
under the table. I mean, and the quote unquote nil
has been going on for decades. It's always been under
the table. They've they've had compliance people, they've they've policed

(25:23):
it a little bit. It remained under the table in
dark because they had.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Rules and they've looked the other way a lot. Well
they well probably because I mean, but they but they
will come hard.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
They will come down hard on organizations when they find
out that they that they really were egregious about some
of this stuff, right, and now that they've now that
the NIL is in the spotlight and now it's this
common practice. They've had so many years to actually legalize this,
allow this and put rules in place to make it fair.

(26:00):
They refuse to do that, and now it's out of control.
And now it's out of control. They've done the same
thing with everything in college football. So I don't want
to hear it that people are like, yeah, but it's
about the fans.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't think the fans.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Find me one Notre Dame fan that's going to turn
their back on the team because they didn't play in
some meaningless bowl game. Nobody, nobody, And don't sit there
don't talk, you know, and preach that, oh we you know,
we want to see our team play, and this is
what like, No, No, it's you're not out there. You're
basically telling these guys to do all this stuff to

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entertain you for three hours.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I don't I don't understand. Will you help me with
one thing? Is there a common thread here, Notre Dame,
Iowa State, k State, Baylor, whomever else as to why
they backed out of these bowl games?

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Oh for sure, Well, not a common thread, but there
are reasons behind, so I know from Kansas State stand point.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Climbing retires, Colin Klein comes in as the new head coach. Again.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Weird timing, you know, it's during the college football season.
He's Colin Klein is the offensive coordinator at Texas A
and M.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You think that they want to lose him right now?

Speaker 4 (27:17):
No, but he's going to go back to Zama Mater
and he's going to become the head coach because what
what an opportunity in the NCAA allows it, So he's
going to do it.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So is he coordinating A and M's game against the games?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
He is?

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I think they're going to allow him to do that. Wow,
well that sounds like five players plucked from the Well
that's the thing. Well, I think the thing is like
I think Texas and A and M is probably looking
as like, well, we don't think that there's a lot
of players that are going to jump from Texas, A
and M to little little Kansas State, you know. And
so they said about the Hoosiers.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well exactly, then if but if Colin is really good
about finding some youthful, younger kids that maybe don't have
the opportunity and may not have the opportunity, he might pluck.
The point is great for them to allow him to
do that. But that's a different situation where Colin wants
to He wants time right now to put together his
staff and hit hit the you know, the transfer portal,

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and make sure that he brings in the right guys.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
He wants to implement his own team.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
He doesn't want to be distracted by Bowl prep for
a meaningless game against another six and six football team
that nobody's going to care about, right and all you're
doing is benefiting the people that run the bulls, that's it.
So he's he's thinking about Kansas State first and foremost,
which you should. I always says, now they're in a
different situation. Matt Campbell had already decided not to before

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he went to Penn State. But you look at Notre Dames.
Notre Dames looks like, hey, we didn't make the college
football Playoff. We're taking our ball and we're going to
go home. Screw all you guys. And I say good.
If that's if that's what it takes to reevaluate how
we choose these teams and who gets in and who doesn't,
I'm fine with that. If they're gonna if they're gonna

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take the heat for it, what do they get? What
are they gonna lose? Virtually nothing? Maybe what maybe a
million dollars are playing in a bowl game.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
And some of their best players would probably opt out
of the game anyway, exactly being like, got the draft,
I'm Jeremiah Love, I'm not playing this game right right.
You know that's a good breach right there in Nordo.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well, I think I think that's the key is as
the NFL calendar continues to expand and just engulf everything
the exhibition, that that word in itself really dwindles down
the meaning of what effectively, in some ways is just
a money grab right. I mean, we can have forty
more bowls. We just need forty more sponsors that are

(29:35):
willing to put their name on a stadium, entertain a
week and schools are going to make some money. The
one thing I wanted to hit on too, though, it's
not just them opting out of bowls, but just what
one of the biggest problems I have and we see
in the NFL two, like the Lane Kiffen thing down
with Ole miss to LSU and just the the within
the construct of a season. We talked about it when

(29:57):
Stefanski left as a coordinator and people doing inner with
head coach. Why can't this happen after the season? Everyone's
in a freaking rush man and the lane not I
mean they they couldn't have just sat down for coffee
at a handshake deal. They got the papers printed out.
We know what the money is going to look like,
and we can't just wait a month. But it's that rush,
and it's the advance, and it creeps into the back

(30:19):
end of the season, further mitigating and kind of watering
down this time of the year for college football.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, I completely agree.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
You know all you know we are one of millions
and millions of people around the country that are screaming
at the NCAA do something. The schedule is out of control,
it doesn't make any sense. It's not fair to the coaches,
it's not fair to the players, it's not fair to
the high school kids, it's not fair to the universities.

(30:48):
But the NCAA yet does nothing. So again, whatever they
can do to tear this thing down and scream from
the highest mountaintops that people aren't happy. I mean, I've
you know, I heard about the Kiffen thing.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
The reason why he was asking for that was a
twenty five million dollars a year in NIL that's perpetual
every year at LSU is because he was he was
staunchly against the nils and just like, how just loose
it is in a wild West it is. And so
he gets this new job, and really it's kind of
a double middle finger to the nc double A and

(31:24):
saying like, if you guys are going to allow this,
I'm just gonna get super stupid, egregious with this thing,
and see what LSU is gonna allow me to do.
And they allow, They're gonna allow him to do twenty
five million dollars every year to pay players. And it's
like he's kind of smiling out of both sides of
his mouth because he's like, I get to build my
roster with twenty five million dollars every year, and I

(31:48):
get to basically tell the nc double A, Hey.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
You're allowing me to do this.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
All of these coaches and these organizations are gonna be
that they're already so pissed in the sec that they
have to now compete against this, and they're going to
go scream to a brick wall because the NCAA won't
listen to them.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right. Lastly, the Indiana Hoosiers name came up, non
blue blood football team and market Bloomington, Indiana. Is it
possible for others, for other off the radar college football
teams to do what they are doing or do you
absolutely have to have a Mark Cuban funding the fun?

Speaker 4 (32:29):
You know, I don't know what these guys are getting paid,
but when four of the defensive starters for maybe five
are James Madison players, this is wow. This is not
about this is not about having all the money in
the world. It's about being a smart recruiter. So I

(32:50):
think I think every every ad in around the country
is saying, well, we can, we can as long as
we have something so more to what Indiana has, Like
Indiana already had, you know, decent facilities. From the way
I understand it, it's not like they're building this thing
from nothing.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
If you have decent facilities.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
And you bring in the right coach and you trust
that he knows how to recruit, then I don't know
why you couldn't compete with an Ohio state that has
nothing but five stars. Yeah, backing up five stars, because
when it comes to recruiting kids, it's not about always
about the talent that you have right now. It's about
what you can have and then the coaching has to

(33:31):
come and be involved in that. And that's the one
thing that I'm super super proud of playing a place
like Kansas State was we had no choice but to
develop that was we didn't have We didn't have four
and five star guys. We had zero star and one
star and two star guys. But yet you know, we're
a game away from that National championship game in nineteen

(33:52):
ninety eight because because we develop, like we actually put
time into practice to develop fundamentals, we find guys actually
want to be there and not just guys that are
looking for handouts and money.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
My last thing, and this has just popped in, is
the NFL wants to control everything. The NCAA continues to
show ineptitude. Is there ever a possibility in your brain
where I mean tradition college football, how about that that
the NFL would find their way into. Well, let's control more,
let's set up development leagues, Let's set up opportunities for

(34:29):
kids bypass the helmet school.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And that's going to be a tough sell, I get it.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
But in the long term, the ability of NFL teams
to actually create a platform for high school age children
and their next step instead of college would actually be
development leagues. To the NFL directly, it's not tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
I think it'd be fascinating to look at it from
this angle, though, you know, there are rumors out there
and I think there's not even one. I forget which
team it is. It's very topical. They're looking at selling.
They're selling the conference is selling off to private equity.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
And Utah. Yeah, Utah is.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
A specific team, and I thought there was a conference
that was, you know, before the conference realignment stuff, they
were thinking about looking at private equity. You know, I
think it'd be beneficial for the NFL to come in
and invest in college football in some capacity like that.
If let's just say the Big Twelve or the ACC,

(35:29):
you know, not the SEC, because that's the ESPN has
a stronghold on that, Fox has a stronghold on the
Big Ten. But if the NFL came in and bought
the Big twelve and bought the ACC and they reshaped
it in the way that they saw fit, man, I
think it's I think it'd be a major money generator

(35:50):
for the NFL, the shield itself, and I think because
they actually have strong leadership, it would force this supposed
NC double to adhere to what they were doing in
their best practices because they have a better idea what's
better for the players than what the NCAA does.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
So you played for the nineteen ninety eight KSA Wildcats, Yeah,
number three in the BCS in December. Whoa, And then
we got Edgar and James for the Canes. As time
was running out on UCLA, Kansas State held a seventeen
to three lead over number ten Texas A and M
in the second quarter of the Big Twelve championship game,

(36:31):
and the crowd roared at the announcement of Miami's victory. However,
the Aggies chipped away at the Wildcats lead and tied
the score at twenty seven. With one minute to play.
Kansas State quarterback Michael Bishop completed a fifty five yard
hail Mary with time running out, but the receiver was

(36:53):
tackled just short of the goal line and the game
went into overtime. The teams traded field goals until a
M's Brandon Stewart through a thirty two yard touchdown pass
to Sir Parker. They gave the Aggies a thirty six
to thirty three double overtime triumph over Nacho Lebers. Kansas

(37:13):
State dreams uh dreams of an unlikely championship seemingly came
to an end. Well, then it got controversial. Number four
Kansas State was left out of the BCS Balls despite
their high ranking, instead being sent to play unranked Perdue
in the Alamo Bile and number ten Tu Lane was undefeated,

(37:35):
but their light schedule eliminated them from championship consideration. The
Green Wave would match up against Brigham Young and the
Liberty Ball. You see you see how long? How long
it's been going on.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
You see how long ago NC DOUBLEA has been royally
eft this whole situation.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Get the NC Double A, the PTSD you have from
football related stuff from this. I thought it was just
a nine Louisiana super Dome, the FARV game. No.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
So, so this is so, this is how this went down.
This is how corrupt college football is. So that so
we had the last game on Saturday night. Okay, we're
going to double overtime against A and m We if
we win that game, we're in.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
The national championship game. Geez, okay. So we end up
losing that game against Miami, I believe. Yeah, they were
the number one seed. Yeah, so wow, you had Gramatica
on your team, yeah, mar team Wow. And Michael Bishop,
by the way, was a bomb college quarterback. Yeah, blin
Blenn junior college.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
So here's what happened was because of the way that
the system worked back then, and it's still as corrupt
as it is now. All of the other bowls had
already agreed to the teams before we played that game.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
So we lose that game, we're not they they expected
us to go in the National championship game. I don't
know why, because we're playing the number ranked, number ten
ranked Texas A and m Aggie's like, then we're not
playing some terrible team here.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
So we get to bull Sunday Selection Sunday. We have
no place to go. So all of the big bulls
that we should we qualified for. We were the notre
dame at the time. You were eleven to zero into
that game, eleven and oh, and we got shuffled down
to the.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Alimable just beating nothing but ranked teams week after week.
Colorado with Cordell Stewart. Jeez, oh, I think we smashed Texas.
You beat number eleven Nebraska forty thirty, you beat nineteen
Missouri thirty one, twenty five. Ah kay, you killed Texas
forty eight seven, third game of the season.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, that was dreadlocks and everything. I think he had well,
I think he had like maybe twenty yards rushing.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
This is the best.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
So then, so the point is we get shuffled down
to the aliable we have and we're playing Drew Brees
and Purdue and we end up getting beat right, But
the point is nobody wanted to play that game. We
had a team, we had a players only meeting that Monday.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
You only lost by three at the wire, yeah, but
it was a high scoring game.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
And what you know, we had a players only meeting
much like a lot of these young kids are doing
right now, and we had a meeting about whether or
not we're going to accept this Bowl invitation to go
down to San Antonio. And we were basically, we as players,
said no, we don't want to play in this.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
This is disrespectful.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
We don't want to play in this in this Bowl game,
and basically are the way we understand it now is
our ad basically came to the head coach and said,
we're leaving, you know, three million dollars or whatever it
is on the table if we don't accept this this
bull bid.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, and you know we're still lowly k state.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I mean that that pays for our whole coaching staff,
you know at the time, So we were forced to
play a game that we didn't want to play and
because we knew at the time it was disrespectful because
of the money. So because of the money. So it's
the same situation. If so, if Notre Dame has the
that's awesome to give a double middle finger to the NCAA.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I say more power to you.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
You go ahead and do it because guess what, their
fans aren't going anywhere. Their TV deals for next year
on CBA or NBC are going nowhere. Right, they can
do whatever they want. Man, Hey, you laid that out
so beautifully. Coven for the second time.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
The show Company Collapse Brad Sham, the forty seven year
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Tom watching them on Channel five today three to four thirty.
Thank you Children's Cancer Research Fund, See you this weekend.
All right, all right, man, Ben Leber back after this

(41:37):
pure progression, this free blowing foot movement that with JJ
McCarthy man nine to news, just looking for a little
free balling. It's a long year talking about our mangles,

(42:03):
the leg whips and the fastballs too. He's a young kid.
I hope he turns out like Elway.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I've lost count to those that he overthrew.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
The party to thrown over the middle.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
And it's intercepted by m duffy neurological pats. The power
of completions with pitch and catch doesn't have to be
this hard.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
But he's a young kid. You gotta keep the patience
even cakes like just go spinning around the yard. Now
he's free.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Free poor.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah is pre he's preta. JJ McCarthy. Now he is
pre That's what Orga wants. He wants some free ball
and pre ball.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Had somebody text ask me why you don't want him
to wear underwear? Is prim.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
He's pre ball. That's beautiful. Thank you Tom Petty, Thank
you Nordo, Thank you Cannonbury Parkcannerbury Park dot com. From
news de nord Thank you Texans, box Mark Vandermere for
your patience and your kindness and your gratitude for recognizing
we're gonna be a couple of minutes later. Here we're
glorifying the greats because we got newsed in nord near that. Yeah,

(43:48):
we do indeed.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Sad for Gophers hoops last night. They weren't able to
replicate their performance against Indiana. They were just absolutely pasted
by Purdue eighty five fifty seven's the final You.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Called that yesterday with that twenty and a half point spread.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Well it was just one of those things, I mean,
you know, slumpbuster for Purdue, who was just barrassed, embarrassed
in nearly historical fashion at home the previous game tomorrow night,
looking forward to the Howel getting back in action. I'm
going through Howell would drawl with this weird Cup game schedule.
It's completely screwing my fantasy team. No one cares about that,
I meant. But the Wolves are back at it at
the Dubs tomorrow night at nine pm.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Well, let's make it worse. Steph Curry's up there in
active lists. He's practicing great narrow casting my fantasy team functually,
of course, face is Steph Curry this week. He's missed
a month. Now I'll get him. So it always works.
But for the how yeah, they're very much a goin
to get Steph tomorrow night pre balling now.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, So thirteen and twelve Dubs have had their own
worries with injuries and various things. Wolves largely healthy. Let's
get that w tomorrow and then final hour, final thing.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
PA.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
We're gonna have Joe Smith of the Athletic on he
covers the Minnesota Wild because that's kind of the a topic.
Tonight YEP is seven o'clock puck drop, Dallas Stars in
Town and the Wild are playing host at Grand Casino Arena,
so bounce back and forth or just stick to the
puckets on your home for Wild Hockey the Fan Thursday
Night football of course Falcons and Bucks.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Who cares.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Let's see if Caprice off and all members of the
Minnesota Wild can be wearing Christmas colors and getting two
points tonight at Grand Casino Arena.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Joe Smith, the lead hockey mind with the Athletic Athletic
dot Com and D does join about twenty minutes from now,
and he tweeted about fifteen minutes ago. Two things here. One,
thank you coach Hines for shooting straight with nine to now.
As he shared yesterday, don't count on Zooki or Midzy tonight. Indeed,
with the line combinations at the morning skate, Joe tweets

(45:44):
at Joe Smith NHL, the Wild goot Caprice off, You're off, Tarasenko,
Jojo Eric Sinec, Baldi, Trainion Hartman and Ogrin, Jones, Sturm
and Pittlick for the fourth line. So no felinos still
then brodine in Faber, Damien Hunt and Jared Spurgeon, AH

(46:05):
Captain and zeb Bullam and a Bogosian for the third
pairing on Deeve Joe from the Athletic fifteen to twenty
minutes from now. Our weekly football segment we began when
the team was four and eight. Now it's five and
eight or we're going to keep the segment going called
Glorifying the Greats, focused on the Pats last week. This

(46:25):
week we will chat about the Houston Texans and we'll
do so with their box around the Corner on Kfan