December 11, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dan called the common Man, a host of the program
in here. Yeah probably it's ten o six. The show
begins at noon. He is in here a good hour
and forty eight minutes early recording. Cool Christmas. It's that
time of the year in Ardoyeah. Cool Christmas schedule.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Brother, Well, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
We I believe we're a week from Sunday, a week
from oh wow, So we get the thing done next week.
Next week, well, we'll coordinate a day, but it'll actually
I think it'll overlap with the Giants game, so people
can be bouncing back and forth between a cool Christmas,
cool one O eight and hopefully you're in a w
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down out of med life.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Here comes Ben Lieber, sideline analyst for the KFA and
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We have a leftover Vike bite or two, mister Leeber,
that we would like in order to share with you,
and here they are.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I got I got a couple for you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Welcome, good morning, good time.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The Cowboys give up four point seven yards of carries,
So a lot of focus into the game is, of
course what Dak's going to do with Ceedee Lamb and
George Pickens.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But we can run on them.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And I'm just curious if there's a scenario where our
commander's game plan is proverbially photo copied in some ways
to commit and maybe run on them Boys on Sunday night, you.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Know, I would say why not try it?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
At this point, I think that we need to find
it's important for us as we go into next season,
because that's kind of where we're casting our gaze. Yeah,
is you know, what is our identity going to be?
If it has to shift a little bit from this
high explosive, vertical passing game, then that's fine. If it
looks a little bit more like did last week, you know,
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hopefully a little bit more of an amplified version of
last week, and we do have some more explosives in
the passing game. But if it is a little bit
more run centric and set everything up that way, then
why not test it out. We got tested out against
all these defenses, against these different looks. What can the
kid handle?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
How how's our offensive line going to go against a
really good defensive front, you know, not so good in
the back end of their defense, but really good upfront.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
How are we going to handle that?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So, yes, I would like to see the same blueprint
from last week be repeated this week.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And then uh, well, I actually I got a bunch,
but well let's let's let's do this and then I'll
let the host handle his business.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
How would you attack Dak?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
As impressive as this offense is in his thirteen games,
he's thrown ten picks, He's lost a fumble as well.
We've been on the bad side of Dak handling us,
We've been on the good side of stifling him and
limiting him at times. And this highlight offense, how would
you attack Dak If you're mister Flores this Vikings.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Defense, somehow, some way you have to be able to
disrupt his receivers at the line of scrimmage. So much
of their production is quicker passing game. I know that
a lot of people see the yards and how potent
this offense can be, they will take their shots. Don't
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get me wrong. I mean they are going to try
to get downfield with some of their plays. But by
and large, I mean they set everything up just by
a lot of short, quick passing game. So if we
can marry up some of that disruption at the line
of scrimmage with their receivers and at the same time
get the pressure that we always seem to get, then
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I think we're going to throw off the rhythm of Dak.
We're gonna throw off the rhythm of the whole offense.
So to me, it is about being physical within that
first five yards.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
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Speaker 2 (03:58):
With the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But I guess college football stuff for you we'll get
into momentarily. But all this pure progression social media stuff
and talk from Viking's coach Kevin O'Connell regarding JJ McCarthy. First,
how familiar are you with it? And secondly, assuming you
are any idea what all this means?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, I'm not super familiar with it because I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Not all over the place.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I know, I was never a quarterback and you know,
I never looked at football from that lens. But what
I can what I can tell you though, is being
on the defensive side of things when they are looking
at the coverage aspect of things, going through the passing game,
through coverage and deciphering coverage. I would say so much
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of our time as a defensive player, it is all
the fundamental stuff. It's the pre snap stuff, it's alignment,
it's assignment, all that stuff. It's also how can we
best describe disguise our coverages because there really there really
aren't that much many coverages in the league, and you
can have some combination coverages. You can get to man
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coverages in different different ways. You can have different guys
that are free, whether it's a whole player like a linebacker,
or we we'd call like a plugger or a robber,
which is more of a safety free guy. You know,
there are different ways to kind of skin the cat.
But by and large, Cover two is Cover two. I mean,
there's not a lot of difference between one team running
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Cover two and another team running Cover two. And same
thing can be said for Cover three. You know, as
an example, last week, they played a lot of Cover three,
that's what Dan Quinn is kind of known for. And
then from that same look, a single high look you
get in a lot of man free looks, a lot
of man coverage because it all looks the same. But
here's like a little nuance to how they would run
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a Cover three. Normally, one of the two safeties comes
down in the box. Now you you are now that
hook player in a Cover three. Well, they could do
the same thing, present themselves as a normal Cover three,
but then they would take that safety. Now picture just
a linebacker in that spot, and they at the snap
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of the ball would roll that guy over the top
of the corner and take that third of the field.
And now the corner plays that that buzz flat area
and then flat and then that linebacker that was adjusted
hill now take that new zone. So when you look
at it pre snap versus post snap, it's a different
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way to get into cover three. And if I'm a quarterback,
because I'm simple minded, I would see all this stuff
happening after the snap, I go what are they doing?
And you'd be sacked and I would be sacked, like
where are they going? And then you'd watch the film like, well,
that's just Cover three, but the safety took the corner
spot and you're like, oh, snap, I didn't realize that. Now,
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if you're going off of just pure coverage based responsibilities,
it takes time, and as JJ was talking about, you
have to break all of that stuff down, and then
you also have the rush that you have to feel.
You may have to break out the pocket, you may
have to break off things. And then you have to
throw in the fact that the receivers have to see
the same thing and they have to just their route
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based on the new look that's different than the pre
snap look. Really, to me, it's like it would break
my brain on every given snap. So I do think
looking at or looking at offense is in a pure
progression sort of way, just going one, two, three, I'll
I'll throw to the guy that's open, regardless of what
the coverage is.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think is an easier way to look.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
At it, brilliantly explained from a learned football mind.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But reason sixteen, can you repeat the part of this
stuff where you said all about.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, I wasn't trying to don't read those screenshots because
of all of that.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It's just you know, I was trying to I wasn't
trying to make it complicated. God, I was just trying
to paint the picture like how in a very simple way,
how difficult it can be under should But here's here's
the best part. Yeah, you can take this approach of
being progression based, which sounds like they're doing, which is great. Eventually,
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after enough snaps and enough starts, Yeah, you inherently just
start to pick up on the coverage aspects of it.
So then all of a sudden, now when you're watching film,
you see dan Quinn, Like, I'm very familiar with dan
Quinn and the way he runs his defense and all
of his subjects that come from behind him that take
over these other defenses. As the years kind of stack up,
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he will just JJ and all these young quarterbacks, they
they just instinctively will pick up on the coverage stuff
without without explicitly having to think about it every snap.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
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Speaker 1 (08:50):
So if I say Justin or I have said many times,
but if I say Justin Fields does not have a swivel,
he lacks a swivel, He can't find his swivel. Does
that mean he's void of progression or purity?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I honestly, it's it's tough to tell, because I don't
know what he's being taught.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, maybe it doesn't have a swivel.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, maybe he hasn't had a coach like Koc that says, Okay,
let's let's just we can think about this a different way,
like let's let's simplify this offense in a different way.
And as they keep saying, let's keep stacking these positive
and keep stacking these wins, maybe he hasn't had that
mentorship in that coaching. It's so it's hard to say
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whether some of these guys are you know, their loss,
doesn't have it, not ever gonna get it again, go
back to Baker Mayfield. A lot of people said, doesn't
have it, ain't ever gonna get it, We're done with him. Yeah,
and then he finds, he finds his people, he finds
he finds his swivel. He finds his swivel in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, big time example right there by the way,
Can can you ask that question just one more time
for a moment, pa about justin fields?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Justin fields?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If I say he lacks a swivel because he's like
a one one and a half read guy, does that
mean he lacks progression or purity?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
How much?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
How much merit do you think this question has so
like save the question for Kevin O'Connell at a press conference,
it would be why didn't we do this with McCarthy
early in the season. Earlier in the season, a pure progression.
It just whatever has gone into the word simplification that
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an egan is preferred to be streamlining, Like do you
think that question has merit?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Sure, I think it has merit, But I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I don't think that you have to think that deeply
about it as to like why they took the approach
that they did. I mean, McCarthy's a super smart guy.
He's probably been proving in a lot of practices and
classroom settings that he can handle a lot of this stuff,
and he probably can. You know, we heard the same
thing about Christian Ponder, Christian Ponder, and I don't I
don't want to like I'm only going to compare the
two in this in this light that you know Ponder,
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they were amazed that he could break down a defense.
He could he could watch on film as they're watching
that same playoff talking about with dan Quinn's defense and
know exactly like you know what when that guy comes
down and that linebacker shades over he's gonna stay down
and that's gonna be cover three. Great, we'll run it. Well,
we'll run the routes that you know that are gonna
beat the cover three. When you get out in the game,
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you might not see some of that stuff and things
are happening faster. So it very easily could be like, look,
we thought that he proved it in all of these settings,
through these practices and OTAs and training camps and all
this other stuff, and then we're we're starting to understand that,
you know, maybe the bullets are a little bit too
fast and too hot for him.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
During the games.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Let's just readjust I mean we he was a start,
he was a starting quarterback for what five games before
koc said maybe we should pull the reins back a
little bit. Five games we went two and then miss
five and then play for then miss one. Yeah, so
all of a sudden, now people are like, well, you
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guys should have done this earlier.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well you can't.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
So are we not supposed to give Dallas Turner an
opportunity to run our defense? Like run our defense before
we have to adjust to what you're best at. You know,
same thing with Jaj McCarthy. You know, five games is
an extremely small sample size for you to like shift gears.
So I don't I think it's a valid question. I
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don't think it has a lot of merit.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Teams now have film team for Sunday Night, but teams
moving forward now with film on what works Sunday and
the pure progression stuff and just the way Sunday was
orchestrated offensively. So what's the next move for O'Connell McCarthy
and the offense.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Well, I think it continues to build into again not
trying to force everything to JJ justin Jefferson, but he
does have to be a part of this offense. And
so however, we can slowly start sprinkling in some more
plays designed for him, looking to him a little you know,
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first and second progression, and hopefully it's not just behind
the line of scrimmage. It is those deep overshots. It
is those plays where we are getting him more wide
open thrown to him in stride and in motion so
he can catch it and run. That's probably the next evolution.
And again, does it have to happen this next game? No,
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I think we continue to do what they say they're doing.
They stack the positive plays, they build momentum, and this
defense is going to give you some stuff. Right, They
are going to give you opportunities. They've proved it all
year long. There are ways that you can isolate their linebackers.
Their linebackers are not very good. I don't think they're
very good in run and in coverage. You can't exploit
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some of the backside stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
That they do.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
When their coverage stuff, they seem to get really undisciplined
on the backside. So if you can and if we
get time against this front four and front five, if
you can get through that progression and get to the
backside of some of these plays, I think there's some.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Big plays over there.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So it is still about being patient and just taking
what the defense gives you, because this defense will give
you a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So all right, the Vikings lose the game in Dublin,
but it was a parent against the Steelers. The mark,
so to speak, was number six Patrick Queen. I mean,
holy cow, O'Connell just went at him like a hundred times,
and it mostly was working Kenneth Murray from the Dallas Cowboys.
From what I'm understanding, and then now listening to you
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without mentioning names, I think Kenneth Murray's the new pat,
He's the new king to the Patrick Queen. And he
may be the Mark. Well, he may be the Mark.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
And the thing is, it's really more about that position
because you know they picked up that Logan when Logan
Wilson from Sincy to because because Murray was struggling so bad.
They play the same position. They will alternate throughout the game,
back and forth. It doesn't matter. I mean, Logan's not
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fast in space. Wilson's downhill guy. He's he's not like,
if you get him moving backwards, you got him beat.
Even moving side to side, you got him beat. Murray
doesn't really seem like he knows where to line up
in this defense yet doesn't seem super comfortable. So he's
also not a space player. I wouldn't trust him in space.
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So look, the Lions did a good job kind of
take advantage of all those guys. That's why I and
in over shown he's okay. Like again, I think they're
inside linebackers are extremely vulnerable, just like their offensive tackles
on the other side with minus geitin are extremely vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So uh, it is a big time offense.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
They do have them their vulnerabilities, and this defense is
as porous as it looks on paper.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now, Ben Leeber played two seasons in San Diego with
quarterback Philip Rivers. Now Philip didn't start a game those years,
and as we all know by now, at age forty
four and having not played in five years, he's gonna
start games for the Indianapolis Colts this season, trying to
desperately hold onto the AFC South Crown.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
What do you think about all this?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I mean, from a pure comedy standpoint, I love it.
I mean, he's he's just a walking, talking SoundBite every
time he gets in front of a microphone.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, now, Kaepernick's just absolutely right. Oh yeah, yeah, what
are we gonna hear?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
When are we gonna hear the report that he's still
working out at some high schools?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I'm Riley Leonard, I'm like, mother, Yeah, I'm gonna guess.
You know what.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Obviously, one guy is gonna be welcome to the locker room.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think the other guy's not gonna be well from
the locker room.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
So you know, he's he's just the best. I mean,
he's he's such a good guy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's he's a.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Great presence in the locker room guys are gonna love him. However,
if I understand this correctly, you know, he took that
offense that he ran before and implemented that into his
high school offense that he was coaching.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So last time he played, well, there hadn't been a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I'm not kidding. Yeah, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
I just don't know how physically he can do it, right,
because even if you sit out for a year, yeah,
I mean, look what happened to Frank ragnow. I mean
he was out for less than a year and he
tried to he tried to hustle his body back and
it sounds like he popped his hamstring, you know. So
you know, five years away, he's not throwing the football
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as much as he you know, a normal quarterback would
be throwing the football.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I mean they do some funny things over there. You know,
they had Jeff Saturday as a head coach for a while.
I mean that kind of came out of nowhere with
no real experience.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
M h.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That was sort of fun for three or four weeks.
We'll see how this goes. I don't know if at
first hit though, it's gonna be brutal.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
If they are behind in games the Indianapolis Colts and
they have to throw, may God be with him. I
mean it's off the first hit, off the you got
to move, I can't move. I mean it's if they're
behind and they have to throw, they're in massive trouble, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They really are.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm guessing that every quarterback that they have on that
roster has to be on high alert because it doesn't
He's not coming in there to be the savior, I
don't think. I mean he might give you some, you know,
a game or two maybe, but to your point, if
they get down and they have to throw the ball,
I just take him out.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
This working, say it works, okay, and it tangibly works
so that everybody can see it and feel it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And hey, they won the division.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
They won a playoff game with forty four year old
Philip Rivers who hasn't played in half a decade. Every
old quarterback this side of Sage Rosenfels is going to
have their agents blowing up general managers' phones. It's going
to be a disaster for thirty one general managers in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
If this thing works, I'd tell you what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I think there's a lot of players, it's in general, Yeah,
that probably been off for a year or two. Their
body feels a lot better, They've been mentally and emotionally refreshed,
and they're probably tapping their age on their shoulder and like, hey,
I could go out and give a couple defensive ends
nets right, I can do this this this team is down,
they need a pass rusher.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I'm in I can do that.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
So sure, I think there's a lot of guys out there,
whether whether it works or not, I think there are
guys that probably would want to come.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Back, but they don't pick up the phone until somebody
is permitted to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, let's see it kind of works.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, let's see if their agent still has their phone
numbers unless they've kind of turned the other cheek too.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
How old is Jeff George with the purity of that arm?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Are you kidding me? Like, just like Jeff George, don't
can't throw the football? Come up?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
So I did pose on on my social media accounts,
you know, just you know, just for fun. Vikings fans,
who would what plus forty player would you want to
have come back for the remainder of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh, I mean it was forty meaning size wise or
a bust size. Okay, oh jeez, well does that mean
they were a bust or they have a bust plus forty?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
What who's winning the well? I think Moss was number one? Yeah, yeah,
John Randall was two. I put Saucer was up there,
top three for me.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Klein.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I even had some bee feeder by trade and my
feeder for life, and all of a sudden the day
of the bee feeders back.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, we have a blocking tight end that all he
does is catch touchdowns? Yeah, So I mean, why why
not bring let's We're going to see thirteen personnel with
the Cowboys this weekend, so why can't we go thirteen
personnel with Clein Saucer.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And Josh Oliver A whole league folks.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
All right, our final segment with beloved Ben Nacho liber
Via X, thank you Children's cancer research fun. Don't forget
to watch Ben on Twin Cities Live Channel five today
from three to four thirty. We're going to get into
some non Vikings related conversation and also at the end
of the segment, if you missed Nordo's parody free balling,
We're gonna play it back about twenty minutes from now.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Thanks to Gray's Food Hall by Travail in Minneapolis for
hosting Vikings watch parties during road games this season. Guards
he's been there several times. I've been there several as well,
double duty and we absolutely love it. And this Sunday
night at Gray's food Hall. Cool spot by the way.
You have several different food options combined with the drinks.
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Perfect spot to watch the Purple inaction. And we'll do
the Vikings watch party again. It's a seven pm game
on Sunday night at.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Gray's Food Hall.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I will be there, prizes, giveaways at the end of
each quarter. We're going to have a blast and hopefully
we're going to get to see JJ free ball and
we can be singing that together or not probably that answer,
but Gray's Food Hall Sunday night watch party.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Join us. That's cool.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Where's the place again, Nordo, Gray's Food Hall. It's in Minneapolis.
It's in the shadow, it's backside of target Field. It's
an awesome spot. College football. Ben liber at Nacho liber
for a hot tick. First, why do you applaud Notre
Dame Iowa State? You're Alma Mater and Baylor for opting
out of bowl games.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Because I think it's going to take something like this,
to something like this and other things as big as
this to get the NCAA's attention that things have to change,
that people are not happy, that the whole system needs
to be so.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
You mean portal nilas just.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, they they want to act like there are
certain rules and obligations to bowl games when people abuse
the NIL. They set a precedence for coaches to jump
ship during the middle of seasons. You know, they they
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act like you can't do this because this is the
way it's always been. Are you out of your mind?
We are so off the rails with college football, like
don't even get me, don't even me started on, like
you have to do this because you know, we allow
you to basically be here, Like no, you don't. Notre
(23:45):
Dame and Iowa State and Kansas State and Baylor and
all these other teams that are opting out.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
We don't owe you anything.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
You put us in a horrible position because of your
lack of leadership because for years and years and years,
the things that were going on under the table, I mean,
and the quote unquote NIL has been going on for decades.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's always been under the table.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
They've they've had compliance people, they've they've policed it a
little bit. It remained under the table in dark because
they had.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Rules and they've looked the other way a lot. Well
they kind well probably because I mean, but they but
they will come hard.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
They will come down hard on organizations when they find
out that they that they really were egregious about some
of this stuff, right, and now that they've now that
the nil is in the spotlight and now it's this
common practice. They've had so many years to actually legalize this,
allow this, and put rules in place to make it fair.
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They refuse to do that, and now it's out of control.
And now it's out of control. They've done the same
thing with everything in college football. So I don't want
to hear it that people are like, yeah, but it's
about the fans.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't think the fans.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Find me one Notre Dame fan that's going to turn
their back on the team because they didn't play in
some meaningless bowl game.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Nobody, nobody, and don't sit there, don't.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Talk, you know, and preach that oh we we you know,
we want to see our team play and this is
what like, No, no, it's you're not out there. You're
basically telling these guys to do all this stuff to
entertain you for three hours.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I don't I don't understand. Will you help me with
one thing?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is there a common thread here, Notre Dame, Iowa State,
k State, Baylor, whomever else as to why they backed
out of these bowl games?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Oh for sure. Well not not a common thread, but
there are reasons behind, so.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I know.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
From Kansas State standpoint. Uh, Climbing retires. Colin Klein comes
in as the new head coach. Again. Weird timing. You know,
it's during the college football season. He's Colin Klein is
the offensive coordinator at Texas A and M. You think
that they want to lose him right now? No, but
he's going to go back to z Alma Mater and
(26:06):
he's going to become the head coach because what what
an opportunity in the NCAA allows it, So he's going
to do it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So is he coordinating A and M's game against the
games he is? I think they're going to allow him
to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wow, Well that sounds like five players plucked from the
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Well, I think the thing is like, I think Texas
and A and M is probably looking as like, well,
we don't think that there's a lot of players are
going to jump from Texas, A and M to little
little Kansas State, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And so they said about the Hoosiers.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Well exactly then, But if Colin is really good about
finding some youthful, younger kids that maybe don't have the
opportunity and may not have the opportunity, he might pluck.
The point is great for them to allow him to
do that. But that's a different situation where Colin wants
to He wants time right now to put together his
staff and hit hit the you know, the transfer portal,
(26:58):
and make sure that he brings in the guys.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He wants to implement his own team.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
He doesn't want to be distracted by Bowl prep for
a meaningless game against another six and six football team
that nobody's gonna care about, right And all you're doing
is benefiting the people that run the bulls, that's it.
So he's he's thinking about Kansas State first and foremost,
which you should, I always states. Now they're in a
different situation. Matt Campbell had already decided not to before
(27:22):
he went to Penn State. But you look at Notre Dames.
Notre Dames looks like, hey, we didn't make the college
football Playoff. We're taking our ball and we're going to
go home. Screw all you guys. And I say good.
If that's if that's what it takes to reevaluate how
we choose these teams and who gets in and who doesn't,
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
If they're gonna if they're gonna take the heat for it,
what do they get? What are they gonna lose? Virtually nothing?
Maybe what maybe a million dollars are playing in a bowl.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Game, and some of their best players would probably opt
out of the game anyway, exactly being like, got the draft,
I'm Jeremiah Love, I'm not playing this game right right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know that's a good breach right there.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Nordo, Well, I think I think that's the key is
as the NFL calendar continues to expand and just engulf
everything the exhibition, that that word in itself really dwindles
down the meaning of what effectively, in some ways is just.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
A money grab, right.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I mean, we can have forty more bowls, We just
need forty more sponsors that are willing to put their
name on a stadium, entertain a week and schools are
going to make some money. The one thing I wanted
to hit on too, though, it's not just them opting
out of bulls, but just what one of the biggest
problems I have and we see in the NFL two,
like the Lane Kiffen thing down with Ole miss to
(28:39):
LSU and just the the within the construct of a season.
We talked about it when Stefanski left as a coordinator
and people doing interviews with head coach. Why can't this
happen after the season? Everyone's in a freaking rush man
and the Lane not I mean they they couldn't have
just sat down for coffee at a handshake deal. They
got the papers printed out. We know what the money
(29:00):
is going to look like. We can't just wait a month.
But it's that rush, and it's the advance, and it
creeps into the back end of the season, further mitigating
and kind of watering down this time of the year
for college football.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yeah, I completely agree, you know all you know, we
are one of millions and millions of people around the
country that are screaming at the NCAA do something. The
schedule is out of control, it doesn't make any sense.
It's not fair to the coaches, it's not fair to
the players, it's not fair to the high school kids,
(29:33):
it's not fair to the universities. But the NCAA yet
does nothing. So again, whatever they can do to tear
this thing down and scream from the highest mountaintops that
people aren't happy. I mean, i've you know, I heard
about the Kiffin thing. You know, the reason why he
was asking for that was a twenty five million dollars
(29:54):
a year in NIL that's perpetual every year at LSU
is because he was he was staunchly against the nils
and just like how just loose it is in wild
West it is. And so he gets this new job,
and really it's kind of a double middle finger to
the nc double A and saying like, if you guys
are going to allow this, I'm just gonna get super stupid,
(30:16):
egregious with this thing. And see what LSU is gonna
allow me to do. And they allow, They're gonna allow
him to do twenty five million dollars every year to
pay players, and it's like he's kind of smiling out
of both sides of his mouth because he's like, I
get to build my roster with twenty five million dollars
every year, and I get to basically tell the NC DOUBLEA, Hey.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
You're allowing me to do this. All of these.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Coaches and these organize organizations are gonna be that they're
already so pissed in the sec that they have to
now compete against this, and they're gonna go scream to
a brick wall because the NC DOUBLEA won't listen to them.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Lastly, the Indiana Hoosiers name came up non blue blood
football team and market me to Indiana. Is it possible
for others, for other off the radar college football teams
to do what they are doing?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Or do you absolutely have to have a Mark Cuban
funding the fun?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
You know, I don't know what these guys are getting paid,
but when four of the defensive starters for maybe five
are James Madison players, this is wow. This is not
about it's not about having all the money in the world.
It's about being a smart recruiter. So I think I
(31:39):
think every every ad in around the country is saying, well,
we can, we can as long as we have something
similar to what Indiana has like Indiana already had.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You know, decent facilities.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
From the way I understand it, it's not like they're
building this thing from nothing. If you have decent facilities
and you bring in the right coach and you trust
that he knows how to recruit, then I don't know
why you couldn't compete with an Ohio state that has
nothing but five stars. Yeah, backing up five stars, because
when it comes to recruiting kids, it's not about always
(32:14):
about the talent that you have right now. It's about
what you can have and then the coaching has to
come and be involved in that. And that's the one
thing that I'm super super proud of playing a place
like Kansas State was we had no choice but to
develop that was we didn't have. We didn't have four
and five star guys. We had zero star and one
(32:34):
star and two star guys. But yet, you know, we're
a game away from that National championship game in nineteen
ninety eight because because we develop, like we actually put
time into practice to develop fundamentals, and we find guys
that actually want to be there and not just guys
that are looking for handouts and money.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
My last thing and this had just popped in. Is
the NFL wants to control everything? The nc double continues
to show ineptitude. Is there ever a possibility in your
brain where I mean tradition college football, how about that
that the NFL would find their way into. Well, let's
control more, let's set up development leagues, let's set up
(33:16):
opportunities for kids bypass the helmet school. And that's going
to be a tough sell, I get it. But in
the long term, the ability of NFL teams to actually
create a platform for high school age children and their
next step instead of college would actually be development leagues
to the NFL directly.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I mean it's not tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I think it'd be fascinating to look at it from
this angle, though, you know, there are rumors out there
and I think there's no even one.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I forget which team it is. It's very topical.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
They're they're looking at selling, They're selling the Conference is
selling off.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
To private equity. And Utah.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Yeah, Utah is a specific team, and I thought there
was a conference that was, you know, before the conference
realignment stuff, they were thinking about looking at private equity.
You know, I think it'd be beneficial for the NFL
to come in and invest in college football in some
capacity like that. If let's just say the Big twelve
(34:16):
or the ACC, you know, not the SEC, because that's
the ESPN has a stronghold on that, Fox has a
stronghold on the Big Ten. But if the NFL came
in and bought the Big twelve and bought the ACC
and they reshaped it in the way that they saw fit, man,
I think it's I think it'd be a major money
(34:38):
generator for the NFL, the shield itself. And I think
because they actually have strong leadership, it would force this
supposed NC double A to adhere to what they were
doing in their best practices because they have a better
idea what's better for the players than what the NC
DOUBLEA does.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
So you played for the nineteen ninety eight ks Wildcats,
number three in the BCS in December, whoa, and then
we got Edgar and James for the Canes. As time
was running out on UCLA, Kansas State held a seventeen
to three lead over number ten Texas A and M
in the second quarter of the Big Twelve Championship game,
(35:19):
and the crowd roared at the announcement of Miami's victory. However,
the Aggies chipped away at the Wildcats lead and tied
the score at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
With one minute to play.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Kansas State quarterback Michael Bishop completed a fifty five.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yard hail Mary with time running.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Out, but the receiver was tackled just short of the
goal line and the game went into overtime. The teams
traded field goals until A and M's Brandon Stewart threw
a thirty two yard touchdown pass to Sir Parker. They
gave the Aggies a thirty six to thirty three double
overtime triumph over Lebers. Kansas State dreams uh uh, dreams
(36:05):
of an unlikely championship seemingly came to an end. Well,
then it got controversial. Number four Kansas State was left
out of the BCS Balls despite their high ranking, instead
being sent to play unranked per Due in the Alamo
Bile and number ten two Lane was undefeated, but their
light schedule eliminated them from championship consideration. The Green Wave
(36:27):
would match up against Brigham Young and the Liberty Ball.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You see, you see how long long it's been going on.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
You see how long ago NC Double A has been
royally ft This whole situation.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Get the NC double A, the PTSD you have from
football related stuff from this. I thought it was just
nine Louisiana super Dome, the FARV game.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Wow, So this is so, this is how this went down.
This is how corrupt college football is. So that So
we had the last game on Saturday night. Okay, we
go into double overtime against A and M. We if
we win that game, we're in the National Championship game. Geez, okay.
So we end up losing that game against Miami, I believe. Yeah,
(37:15):
they were the number one seed. Yeah, so wow.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You had Gramatica on your team, yeah, Martem Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And Michael Bishop, by the way, was a bomb college quarterback.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Yeah, blin Blenn junior college. So here's what happened. Was
because of the way that the system worked back then,
and it's still as corrupt as it is now, all
of the other bowls had already agreed to the teams
before we played that game.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
So we lose that game, We're not they they expected
us to go in the National Championship game. I don't
know why, because we're playing the number ranked, number ten
ranked Texas A and m Aggie's like, then we're not
playing some terrible team here.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
So we get to bull Sunday Selection Sunday, we have
no place to go. So all of the big bulls
that we should we qualified for. We were the notre
dame at the time. You were eleven to zero into
that game, eleven and oh, and we got shuffled down
to the alimable, just beaten nothing but ranked teams week
(38:17):
after week Colorado with Cordell Stewart.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Jeez, oh, I think we smashed Texas.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You beat number eleven Nebraska forty thirty, You beat nineteen
Missouri thirty one, twenty five. Ah kay, you killed Texas
forty eight seven, third game of the season. Yeah, that
was dreadlocks and everything. I think he had well, I
think he had like maybe twenty yards rushing.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
This is the best.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
So then, so the point is we get shuffled down
to the aliable we have and we're playing Drew Brees
and Purdue and we end up getting beat right. But
the point is nobody wanted to play that game. We
had a team, we had a players only meeting that Monday.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You only lost by three at the wire. Yeah, but
it was a high scoring game.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
And what you know, we had a players only meeting,
much like a lot of these young kids are doing
right now, and we had a meeting about whether or
not we're going to accept this Bowl invitation to go
down to San Antonio. And we were basically we as players,
said no, we don't want to play in this.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
This is disrespectful.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
We don't want to play in this in this Bowl game,
and basically are the way we understand it now is
our ad basically came to the head coach and said,
we're leaving you know, three million dollars or whatever it
is on the table if we don't accept this this
bull bid, and you know we're still lowly k state.
I mean that pays for our whole coaching staff, you
(39:35):
know at the time. So we were forced to play
a game that we didn't want to play and because
we knew at the time it was disrespectful because of
the money. So because of the money. So it's the
same situation. If so, if Notre Dame has the money,
that's awesome. To give a double middle finger to the
NC DOUBLEA, I say more power to you. You go
ahead and do it, because guess what their fans aren't
going anywhere. Their TV deals for next year on CBA
(39:57):
or NBC are going nowhere. Right, they can do what
they want. Man, Hey, you laid that out so beautifully.
Covenants for the second time, the show company collapse.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Brad Sham, the forty seven year vox for the tech
for the Cowboys started the radio show.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
He got covenant collapse.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So does Ben liber All right, Tom, watch him on
Channel five today three to four thirty. Thank you Children's
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Ben Liber back after this pure progression, this free blowing
foot movement that with JJ McCarthy man nine to news,
(40:32):
just looking for a little free balling.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's a long year talking about our mangles, the leg
whips and the fastballs too.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He's a young kid. Hope he turns out like Elway.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I've lost count to those that he overthrew.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
A party to throw it over the middle and it's
intercepted by idam.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Duppy neurological paths.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
The power of completions with pitch and catch doesn't have
to be this hard.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
But he's a young kid.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You gotta keep the patience even cas.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Like just go spin around the yard. Now he's pre.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
Pree.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Poor.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, he's free. He's pree poor. Jak mc party. Now
he's pree. That's what Nordon wants. He wants some free
ball and pre balling.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Had somebody text ask me why you don't want him
to wear underwear?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
He's pre balling. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Thank you Tom Petty, Thank you Nordo, Thank you Canterbury
Parkcanterbury Park dot Com for news de nord Thank you
Texans box Mark Vandermere for your patience and your kindness
and your gratitude for recognizing we're gonna be a couple
of minutes later. Here we're glorifying the greats because we
got news to nord.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Near the Yeah, we do indeed. Sad for Gophers hoops
last night. They weren't able to replicate their performance against Indiana.
They were just absolutely pasted by Purdue eighty five fifty
Seven's the final You called.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That yesterday with that twenty and a half point spread.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Oh, it was just one of those things, I mean,
you know, slumpbuster for Purdue, who was just barrassed, embarrassed
in nearly historical fashion at home the previous game tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Looking forward to the getting back in action.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I'm going through Howell would drawl with this weird Cup
game schedule. It's completely screwing my fantasy team. No one
cares about that.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
But the Wolves are back at it at the Dubs
tomorrow night at nine pm.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, let's make it worse. Steph Curry's off there in
active lists. He's practicing great narrow casting my fantasy team. Functually,
of course, face is Steph Curry this week. He's missed
a month. Now I'll get him so how it always works.
But for the how, yeah, they're very much a goin
to get step tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Night pre balling now.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, So thirteen and twelve Dubs have had their own
worries with injuries and various things. Wolves largely healthy. Let's
get that w tomorrow and then final hour, final thing. PA,
We're gonna have Joe Smith of the Athletic on he
covers the Minnesota Wild because that's kind of the a topic. Tonight,
YEP is seven o'clock puck drop Dallas Stars in Town
and the Wild. They're playing host at Grand Casino Arena,
(43:51):
So bounce back and forth or just stick to the
puckets on your home for Wild Hockey the Fan Thursday
Night football of course Falcons and Bucks who care. Let's
see if Caprice off and all members of the Minnesota
Wild can be wearing Christmas colors and getting two points
tonight at Grand Casino Arena.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Joe Smith the lead hockey mine with the Athletic Athletic
dot Com and d does join about twenty minutes from now,
and he tweeted about fifteen minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Two things here.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
One, thank you coach Hines for shooting straight with nine
to now as he shared yesterday, don't count on.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Zooki or Midzy tonight.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Indeed with the line combinations at the morning skate, Joe
tweets at Joe Smith NHL the Wild Goat Caprice off,
You're off, Tarasenko, Jojo, Eric Sinec, Boldi, Trainion Hartman and Ogrin, Jones,
Sturm and Pittlick for the fourth line so no Felinos still.
(44:48):
Then brodin In Faber, Damien Hunt and Jared Spurgeon, AH
Captain and zeb Bullam and a Bogosian for the third
pairing on DEEV Joe from the Athletic fifteen twenty minutes
from now. Our Weekly Football segment we began when the
team was four and eight, now it's five and eight,
or we're gonna keep the segment going called Glorifying the Greats,
(45:10):
focused on the Pats last week. This week we will
chat about the Houston Texans, and we'll do so with
their box around the Corner on Kfan
Dan called the common Man, a host of the program
in here. Yeah probably it's ten o six. The show
begins at noon. He is in here a good hour
and forty eight minutes early recording. Cool Christmas. It's that
time of the year in Ardoyeah. Cool Christmas schedule.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Brother, Well, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
We I believe we're a week from Sunday, a week
from oh wow, So we get the thing done next week.
Next week, well, we'll coordinate a day, but it'll actually
I think it'll overlap with the Giants game, so people
can be bouncing back and forth between a cool Christmas,
cool one O eight and hopefully you're in a w
(00:37):
down out of med life.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Here comes Ben Lieber, sideline analyst for the KFA and
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(01:02):
We have a leftover Vike bite or two, mister Leeber,
that we would like in order to share with you,
and here they are.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I got I got a couple for you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Welcome, good morning, good time.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The Cowboys give up four point seven yards of carries,
So a lot of focus into the game is, of
course what Dak's going to do with Ceedee Lamb and
George Pickens.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But we can run on them.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And I'm just curious if there's a scenario where our
commander's game plan is proverbially photo copied in some ways
to commit and maybe run on them Boys on Sunday night, you.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Know, I would say why not try it?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
At this point, I think that we need to find
it's important for us as we go into next season,
because that's kind of where we're casting our gaze. Yeah,
is you know, what is our identity going to be?
If it has to shift a little bit from this
high explosive, vertical passing game, then that's fine. If it
looks a little bit more like did last week, you know,
(02:01):
hopefully a little bit more of an amplified version of
last week, and we do have some more explosives in
the passing game. But if it is a little bit
more run centric and set everything up that way, then
why not test it out. We got tested out against
all these defenses, against these different looks. What can the
kid handle?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
How how's our offensive line going to go against a
really good defensive front, you know, not so good in
the back end of their defense, but really good upfront.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
How are we going to handle that?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So, yes, I would like to see the same blueprint
from last week be repeated this week.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And then uh, well, I actually I got a bunch,
but well let's let's let's do this and then I'll
let the host handle his business.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
How would you attack Dak?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
As impressive as this offense is in his thirteen games,
he's thrown ten picks, He's lost a fumble as well.
We've been on the bad side of Dak handling us,
We've been on the good side of stifling him and
limiting him at times. And this highlight offense, how would
you attack Dak If you're mister Flores this Vikings.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Defense, somehow, some way you have to be able to
disrupt his receivers at the line of scrimmage. So much
of their production is quicker passing game. I know that
a lot of people see the yards and how potent
this offense can be, they will take their shots. Don't
(03:21):
get me wrong. I mean they are going to try
to get downfield with some of their plays. But by
and large, I mean they set everything up just by
a lot of short, quick passing game. So if we
can marry up some of that disruption at the line
of scrimmage with their receivers and at the same time
get the pressure that we always seem to get, then
(03:43):
I think we're going to throw off the rhythm of Dak.
We're gonna throw off the rhythm of the whole offense.
So to me, it is about being physical within that
first five yards.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
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Speaker 2 (03:58):
With the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But I guess college football stuff for you we'll get
into momentarily. But all this pure progression social media stuff
and talk from Viking's coach Kevin O'Connell regarding JJ McCarthy. First,
how familiar are you with it? And secondly, assuming you
are any idea what all this means?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, I'm not super familiar with it because I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Not all over the place.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I know, I was never a quarterback and you know,
I never looked at football from that lens. But what
I can what I can tell you though, is being
on the defensive side of things when they are looking
at the coverage aspect of things, going through the passing game,
through coverage and deciphering coverage. I would say so much
(04:43):
of our time as a defensive player, it is all
the fundamental stuff. It's the pre snap stuff, it's alignment,
it's assignment, all that stuff. It's also how can we
best describe disguise our coverages because there really there really
aren't that much many coverages in the league, and you
can have some combination coverages. You can get to man
(05:06):
coverages in different different ways. You can have different guys
that are free, whether it's a whole player like a linebacker,
or we we'd call like a plugger or a robber,
which is more of a safety free guy. You know,
there are different ways to kind of skin the cat.
But by and large, Cover two is Cover two. I mean,
there's not a lot of difference between one team running
(05:28):
Cover two and another team running Cover two. And same
thing can be said for Cover three. You know, as
an example, last week, they played a lot of Cover three,
that's what Dan Quinn is kind of known for. And
then from that same look, a single high look you
get in a lot of man free looks, a lot
of man coverage because it all looks the same. But
here's like a little nuance to how they would run
(05:49):
a Cover three. Normally, one of the two safeties comes
down in the box. Now you you are now that
hook player in a Cover three. Well, they could do
the same thing, present themselves as a normal Cover three,
but then they would take that safety. Now picture just
a linebacker in that spot, and they at the snap
(06:11):
of the ball would roll that guy over the top
of the corner and take that third of the field.
And now the corner plays that that buzz flat area
and then flat and then that linebacker that was adjusted
hill now take that new zone. So when you look
at it pre snap versus post snap, it's a different
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way to get into cover three. And if I'm a quarterback,
because I'm simple minded, I would see all this stuff
happening after the snap, I go what are they doing?
And you'd be sacked and I would be sacked, like
where are they going? And then you'd watch the film like, well,
that's just Cover three, but the safety took the corner
spot and you're like, oh, snap, I didn't realize that. Now,
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if you're going off of just pure coverage based responsibilities,
it takes time, and as JJ was talking about, you
have to break all of that stuff down, and then
you also have the rush that you have to feel.
You may have to break out the pocket, you may
have to break off things. And then you have to
throw in the fact that the receivers have to see
the same thing and they have to just their route
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based on the new look that's different than the pre
snap look. Really, to me, it's like it would break
my brain on every given snap. So I do think
looking at or looking at offense is in a pure
progression sort of way, just going one, two, three, I'll
I'll throw to the guy that's open, regardless of what
the coverage is.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think is an easier way to look.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
At it, brilliantly explained from a learned football mind.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But reason sixteen, can you repeat the part of this
stuff where you said all about.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, I wasn't trying to don't read those screenshots because
of all of that.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It's just you know, I was trying to I wasn't
trying to make it complicated. God, I was just trying
to paint the picture like how in a very simple way,
how difficult it can be under should But here's here's
the best part. Yeah, you can take this approach of
being progression based, which sounds like they're doing, which is great. Eventually,
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after enough snaps and enough starts, Yeah, you inherently just
start to pick up on the coverage aspects of it.
So then all of a sudden, now when you're watching film,
you see dan Quinn, Like, I'm very familiar with dan
Quinn and the way he runs his defense and all
of his subjects that come from behind him that take
over these other defenses. As the years kind of stack up,
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he will just JJ and all these young quarterbacks, they
they just instinctively will pick up on the coverage stuff
without without explicitly having to think about it every snap.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Fiha, fairness and host act. I'm stupid, You're smart, Ben
Leber in studio at not your liber via the X Machine.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So if I say Justin or I have said many times,
but if I say Justin Fields does not have a swivel,
he lacks a swivel, He can't find his swivel. Does
that mean he's void of progression or purity?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I honestly, it's it's tough to tell, because I don't
know what he's being taught.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, maybe it doesn't have a swivel.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, maybe he hasn't had a coach like Koc that says, Okay,
let's let's just we can think about this a different way,
like let's let's simplify this offense in a different way.
And as they keep saying, let's keep stacking these positive
and keep stacking these wins, maybe he hasn't had that
mentorship in that coaching. It's so it's hard to say
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whether some of these guys are you know, their loss,
doesn't have it, not ever gonna get it again, go
back to Baker Mayfield. A lot of people said, doesn't
have it, ain't ever gonna get it, We're done with him. Yeah,
and then he finds, he finds his people, he finds
he finds his swivel. He finds his swivel in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, big time example right there by the way,
Can can you ask that question just one more time
for a moment, pa about justin fields?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Justin fields?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If I say he lacks a swivel because he's like
a one one and a half read guy, does that
mean he lacks progression or purity?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
How much?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
How much merit do you think this question has so
like save the question for Kevin O'Connell at a press conference,
it would be why didn't we do this with McCarthy
early in the season. Earlier in the season, a pure progression.
It just whatever has gone into the word simplification that
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an egan is preferred to be streamlining, Like do you
think that question has merit?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Sure, I think it has merit, But I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I don't think that you have to think that deeply
about it as to like why they took the approach
that they did. I mean, McCarthy's a super smart guy.
He's probably been proving in a lot of practices and
classroom settings that he can handle a lot of this stuff,
and he probably can. You know, we heard the same
thing about Christian Ponder, Christian Ponder, and I don't I
don't want to like I'm only going to compare the
two in this in this light that you know Ponder,
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they were amazed that he could break down a defense.
He could he could watch on film as they're watching
that same playoff talking about with dan Quinn's defense and
know exactly like you know what when that guy comes
down and that linebacker shades over he's gonna stay down
and that's gonna be cover three. Great, we'll run it. Well,
we'll run the routes that you know that are gonna
beat the cover three. When you get out in the game,
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you might not see some of that stuff and things
are happening faster. So it very easily could be like, look,
we thought that he proved it in all of these settings,
through these practices and OTAs and training camps and all
this other stuff, and then we're we're starting to understand that,
you know, maybe the bullets are a little bit too
fast and too hot for him.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
During the games.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Let's just readjust I mean we he was a start,
he was a starting quarterback for what five games before
koc said maybe we should pull the reins back a
little bit. Five games we went two and then miss
five and then play for then miss one. Yeah, so
all of a sudden, now people are like, well, you
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guys should have done this earlier.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well you can't.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
So are we not supposed to give Dallas Turner an
opportunity to run our defense? Like run our defense before
we have to adjust to what you're best at. You know,
same thing with Jaj McCarthy. You know, five games is
an extremely small sample size for you to like shift gears.
So I don't I think it's a valid question. I
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don't think it has a lot of merit.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Teams now have film team for Sunday Night, but teams
moving forward now with film on what works Sunday and
the pure progression stuff and just the way Sunday was
orchestrated offensively. So what's the next move for O'Connell McCarthy
and the offense.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Well, I think it continues to build into again not
trying to force everything to JJ justin Jefferson, but he
does have to be a part of this offense. And
so however, we can slowly start sprinkling in some more
plays designed for him, looking to him a little you know,
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first and second progression, and hopefully it's not just behind
the line of scrimmage. It is those deep overshots. It
is those plays where we are getting him more wide
open thrown to him in stride and in motion so
he can catch it and run. That's probably the next evolution.
And again, does it have to happen this next game? No,
(13:44):
I think we continue to do what they say they're doing.
They stack the positive plays, they build momentum, and this
defense is going to give you some stuff. Right, They
are going to give you opportunities. They've proved it all
year long. There are ways that you can isolate their linebackers.
Their linebackers are not very good. I don't think they're
very good in run and in coverage. You can't exploit
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some of the backside stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
That they do.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
When their coverage stuff, they seem to get really undisciplined
on the backside. So if you can and if we
get time against this front four and front five, if
you can get through that progression and get to the
backside of some of these plays, I think there's some.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Big plays over there.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So it is still about being patient and just taking
what the defense gives you, because this defense will give
you a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So all right, the Vikings lose the game in Dublin,
but it was a parent against the Steelers. The mark,
so to speak, was number six Patrick Queen. I mean,
holy cow, O'Connell just went at him like a hundred times,
and it mostly was working Kenneth Murray from the Dallas Cowboys.
From what I'm understanding, and then now listening to you
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without mentioning names, I think Kenneth Murray's the new pat,
He's the new king to the Patrick Queen. And he
may be the Mark. Well, he may be the Mark.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
And the thing is, it's really more about that position
because you know they picked up that Logan when Logan
Wilson from Sincy to because because Murray was struggling so bad.
They play the same position. They will alternate throughout the game,
back and forth. It doesn't matter. I mean, Logan's not
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fast in space. Wilson's downhill guy. He's he's not like,
if you get him moving backwards, you got him beat.
Even moving side to side, you got him beat. Murray
doesn't really seem like he knows where to line up
in this defense yet doesn't seem super comfortable. So he's
also not a space player. I wouldn't trust him in space.
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So look, the Lions did a good job kind of
take advantage of all those guys. That's why I and
in over shown he's okay. Like again, I think they're
inside linebackers are extremely vulnerable, just like their offensive tackles
on the other side with minus geitin are extremely vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So uh, it is a big time offense.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
They do have them their vulnerabilities, and this defense is
as porous as it looks on paper.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now, Ben Leeber played two seasons in San Diego with
quarterback Philip Rivers. Now Philip didn't start a game those years,
and as we all know by now, at age forty
four and having not played in five years, he's gonna
start games for the Indianapolis Colts this season, trying to
desperately hold onto the AFC South Crown.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
What do you think about all this?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I mean, from a pure comedy standpoint, I love it.
I mean, he's he's just a walking, talking SoundBite every
time he gets in front of a microphone.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, now, Kaepernick's just absolutely right. Oh yeah, yeah, what
are we gonna hear?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
When are we gonna hear the report that he's still
working out at some high schools?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I'm Riley Leonard, I'm like, mother, Yeah, I'm gonna guess.
You know what.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Obviously, one guy is gonna be welcome to the locker room.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think the other guy's not gonna be well from
the locker room.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
So you know, he's he's just the best. I mean,
he's he's such a good guy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's he's a.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Great presence in the locker room guys are gonna love him. However,
if I understand this correctly, you know, he took that
offense that he ran before and implemented that into his
high school offense that he was coaching.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So last time he played, well, there hadn't been a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I'm not kidding. Yeah, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
I just don't know how physically he can do it, right,
because even if you sit out for a year, yeah,
I mean, look what happened to Frank ragnow. I mean
he was out for less than a year and he
tried to he tried to hustle his body back and
it sounds like he popped his hamstring, you know. So
you know, five years away, he's not throwing the football
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as much as he you know, a normal quarterback would
be throwing the football.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I mean they do some funny things over there. You know,
they had Jeff Saturday as a head coach for a while.
I mean that kind of came out of nowhere with
no real experience.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
M h.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That was sort of fun for three or four weeks.
We'll see how this goes. I don't know if at
first hit though, it's gonna be brutal.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
If they are behind in games the Indianapolis Colts and
they have to throw, may God be with him. I
mean it's off the first hit, off the you got
to move, I can't move. I mean it's if they're
behind and they have to throw, they're in massive trouble, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They really are.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm guessing that every quarterback that they have on that
roster has to be on high alert because it doesn't
He's not coming in there to be the savior, I
don't think. I mean he might give you some, you know,
a game or two maybe, but to your point, if
they get down and they have to throw the ball,
I just take him out.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
This working, say it works, okay, and it tangibly works
so that everybody can see it and feel it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And hey, they won the division.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
They won a playoff game with forty four year old
Philip Rivers who hasn't played in half a decade. Every
old quarterback this side of Sage Rosenfels is going to
have their agents blowing up general managers' phones. It's going
to be a disaster for thirty one general managers in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
If this thing works, I'd tell you what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I think there's a lot of players, it's in general, Yeah,
that probably been off for a year or two. Their
body feels a lot better, They've been mentally and emotionally refreshed,
and they're probably tapping their age on their shoulder and like, hey,
I could go out and give a couple defensive ends
nets right, I can do this this this team is down,
they need a pass rusher.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I'm in I can do that.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
So sure, I think there's a lot of guys out there,
whether whether it works or not, I think there are
guys that probably would want to come.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Back, but they don't pick up the phone until somebody
is permitted to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, let's see it kind of works.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, let's see if their agent still has their phone
numbers unless they've kind of turned the other cheek too.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
How old is Jeff George with the purity of that arm?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Are you kidding me? Like, just like Jeff George, don't
can't throw the football? Come up?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
So I did pose on on my social media accounts,
you know, just you know, just for fun. Vikings fans,
who would what plus forty player would you want to
have come back for the remainder of the season.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh, I mean it was forty meaning size wise or
a bust size. Okay, oh jeez, well does that mean
they were a bust or they have a bust plus forty?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
What who's winning the well? I think Moss was number one? Yeah, yeah,
John Randall was two. I put Saucer was up there,
top three for me.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Klein.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I even had some bee feeder by trade and my
feeder for life, and all of a sudden the day
of the bee feeders back.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, we have a blocking tight end that all he
does is catch touchdowns? Yeah, So I mean, why why
not bring let's We're going to see thirteen personnel with
the Cowboys this weekend, so why can't we go thirteen
personnel with Clein Saucer.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And Josh Oliver A whole league folks.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
All right, our final segment with beloved Ben Nacho liber
Via X, thank you Children's cancer research fun. Don't forget
to watch Ben on Twin Cities Live Channel five today
from three to four thirty. We're going to get into
some non Vikings related conversation and also at the end
of the segment, if you missed Nordo's parody free balling,
We're gonna play it back about twenty minutes from now.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Thanks to Gray's Food Hall by Travail in Minneapolis for
hosting Vikings watch parties during road games this season. Guards
he's been there several times. I've been there several as well,
double duty and we absolutely love it. And this Sunday
night at Gray's food Hall. Cool spot by the way.
You have several different food options combined with the drinks.
(21:52):
Perfect spot to watch the Purple inaction. And we'll do
the Vikings watch party again. It's a seven pm game
on Sunday night at.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Gray's Food Hall.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I will be there, prizes, giveaways at the end of
each quarter. We're going to have a blast and hopefully
we're going to get to see JJ free ball and
we can be singing that together or not probably that answer,
but Gray's Food Hall Sunday night watch party.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Join us. That's cool.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Where's the place again, Nordo, Gray's Food Hall. It's in Minneapolis.
It's in the shadow, it's backside of target Field. It's
an awesome spot. College football. Ben liber at Nacho liber
for a hot tick. First, why do you applaud Notre
Dame Iowa State? You're Alma Mater and Baylor for opting
out of bowl games.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Because I think it's going to take something like this,
to something like this and other things as big as
this to get the NCAA's attention that things have to change,
that people are not happy, that the whole system needs
to be so.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
You mean portal nilas just.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, they they want to act like there are
certain rules and obligations to bowl games when people abuse
the NIL. They set a precedence for coaches to jump
ship during the middle of seasons. You know, they they
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act like you can't do this because this is the
way it's always been. Are you out of your mind?
We are so off the rails with college football, like
don't even get me, don't even me started on, like
you have to do this because you know, we allow
you to basically be here, Like no, you don't. Notre
(23:45):
Dame and Iowa State and Kansas State and Baylor and
all these other teams that are opting out.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
We don't owe you anything.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
You put us in a horrible position because of your
lack of leadership because for years and years and years,
the things that were going on under the table, I mean,
and the quote unquote NIL has been going on for decades.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's always been under the table.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
They've they've had compliance people, they've they've policed it a
little bit. It remained under the table in dark because
they had.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Rules and they've looked the other way a lot. Well
they kind well probably because I mean, but they but
they will come hard.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
They will come down hard on organizations when they find
out that they that they really were egregious about some
of this stuff, right, and now that they've now that
the nil is in the spotlight and now it's this
common practice. They've had so many years to actually legalize this,
allow this, and put rules in place to make it fair.
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They refuse to do that, and now it's out of control.
And now it's out of control. They've done the same
thing with everything in college football. So I don't want
to hear it that people are like, yeah, but it's
about the fans.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't think the fans.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Find me one Notre Dame fan that's going to turn
their back on the team because they didn't play in
some meaningless bowl game.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Nobody, nobody, and don't sit there, don't.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Talk, you know, and preach that oh we we you know,
we want to see our team play and this is
what like, No, no, it's you're not out there. You're
basically telling these guys to do all this stuff to
entertain you for three hours.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I don't I don't understand. Will you help me with
one thing?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is there a common thread here, Notre Dame, Iowa State,
k State, Baylor, whomever else as to why they backed
out of these bowl games?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Oh for sure. Well not not a common thread, but
there are reasons behind, so.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I know.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
From Kansas State standpoint. Uh, Climbing retires. Colin Klein comes
in as the new head coach. Again. Weird timing. You know,
it's during the college football season. He's Colin Klein is
the offensive coordinator at Texas A and M. You think
that they want to lose him right now? No, but
he's going to go back to z Alma Mater and
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he's going to become the head coach because what what
an opportunity in the NCAA allows it, So he's going
to do it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So is he coordinating A and M's game against the
games he is? I think they're going to allow him
to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wow, Well that sounds like five players plucked from the
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Well, I think the thing is like, I think Texas
and A and M is probably looking as like, well,
we don't think that there's a lot of players are
going to jump from Texas, A and M to little
little Kansas State, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And so they said about the Hoosiers.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Well exactly then, But if Colin is really good about
finding some youthful, younger kids that maybe don't have the
opportunity and may not have the opportunity, he might pluck.
The point is great for them to allow him to
do that. But that's a different situation where Colin wants
to He wants time right now to put together his
staff and hit hit the you know, the transfer portal,
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and make sure that he brings in the guys.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He wants to implement his own team.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
He doesn't want to be distracted by Bowl prep for
a meaningless game against another six and six football team
that nobody's gonna care about, right And all you're doing
is benefiting the people that run the bulls, that's it.
So he's he's thinking about Kansas State first and foremost,
which you should, I always states. Now they're in a
different situation. Matt Campbell had already decided not to before
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he went to Penn State. But you look at Notre Dames.
Notre Dames looks like, hey, we didn't make the college
football Playoff. We're taking our ball and we're going to
go home. Screw all you guys. And I say good.
If that's if that's what it takes to reevaluate how
we choose these teams and who gets in and who doesn't,
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
If they're gonna if they're gonna take the heat for it,
what do they get? What are they gonna lose? Virtually nothing?
Maybe what maybe a million dollars are playing in a bowl.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Game, and some of their best players would probably opt
out of the game anyway, exactly being like, got the draft,
I'm Jeremiah Love, I'm not playing this game right right.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know that's a good breach right there.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Nordo, Well, I think I think that's the key is
as the NFL calendar continues to expand and just engulf
everything the exhibition, that that word in itself really dwindles
down the meaning of what effectively, in some ways is just.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
A money grab, right.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I mean, we can have forty more bowls, We just
need forty more sponsors that are willing to put their
name on a stadium, entertain a week and schools are
going to make some money. The one thing I wanted
to hit on too, though, it's not just them opting
out of bulls, but just what one of the biggest
problems I have and we see in the NFL two,
like the Lane Kiffen thing down with Ole miss to
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LSU and just the the within the construct of a season.
We talked about it when Stefanski left as a coordinator
and people doing interviews with head coach. Why can't this
happen after the season? Everyone's in a freaking rush man
and the Lane not I mean they they couldn't have
just sat down for coffee at a handshake deal. They
got the papers printed out. We know what the money
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is going to look like. We can't just wait a month.
But it's that rush, and it's the advance, and it
creeps into the back end of the season, further mitigating
and kind of watering down this time of the year
for college football.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yeah, I completely agree, you know all you know, we
are one of millions and millions of people around the
country that are screaming at the NCAA do something. The
schedule is out of control, it doesn't make any sense.
It's not fair to the coaches, it's not fair to
the players, it's not fair to the high school kids,
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it's not fair to the universities. But the NCAA yet
does nothing. So again, whatever they can do to tear
this thing down and scream from the highest mountaintops that
people aren't happy. I mean, i've you know, I heard
about the Kiffin thing. You know, the reason why he
was asking for that was a twenty five million dollars
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a year in NIL that's perpetual every year at LSU
is because he was he was staunchly against the nils
and just like how just loose it is in wild
West it is. And so he gets this new job,
and really it's kind of a double middle finger to
the nc double A and saying like, if you guys
are going to allow this, I'm just gonna get super stupid,
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egregious with this thing. And see what LSU is gonna
allow me to do. And they allow, They're gonna allow
him to do twenty five million dollars every year to
pay players, and it's like he's kind of smiling out
of both sides of his mouth because he's like, I
get to build my roster with twenty five million dollars
every year, and I get to basically tell the NC DOUBLEA, Hey.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
You're allowing me to do this. All of these.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Coaches and these organize organizations are gonna be that they're
already so pissed in the sec that they have to
now compete against this, and they're gonna go scream to
a brick wall because the NC DOUBLEA won't listen to them.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Lastly, the Indiana Hoosiers name came up non blue blood
football team and market me to Indiana. Is it possible
for others, for other off the radar college football teams
to do what they are doing?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Or do you absolutely have to have a Mark Cuban
funding the fun?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
You know, I don't know what these guys are getting paid,
but when four of the defensive starters for maybe five
are James Madison players, this is wow. This is not
about it's not about having all the money in the world.
It's about being a smart recruiter. So I think I
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think every every ad in around the country is saying, well,
we can, we can as long as we have something
similar to what Indiana has like Indiana already had.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You know, decent facilities.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
From the way I understand it, it's not like they're
building this thing from nothing. If you have decent facilities
and you bring in the right coach and you trust
that he knows how to recruit, then I don't know
why you couldn't compete with an Ohio state that has
nothing but five stars. Yeah, backing up five stars, because
when it comes to recruiting kids, it's not about always
(32:14):
about the talent that you have right now. It's about
what you can have and then the coaching has to
come and be involved in that. And that's the one
thing that I'm super super proud of playing a place
like Kansas State was we had no choice but to
develop that was we didn't have. We didn't have four
and five star guys. We had zero star and one
(32:34):
star and two star guys. But yet, you know, we're
a game away from that National championship game in nineteen
ninety eight because because we develop, like we actually put
time into practice to develop fundamentals, and we find guys
that actually want to be there and not just guys
that are looking for handouts and money.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
My last thing and this had just popped in. Is
the NFL wants to control everything? The nc double continues
to show ineptitude. Is there ever a possibility in your
brain where I mean tradition college football, how about that
that the NFL would find their way into. Well, let's
control more, let's set up development leagues, let's set up
(33:16):
opportunities for kids bypass the helmet school. And that's going
to be a tough sell, I get it. But in
the long term, the ability of NFL teams to actually
create a platform for high school age children and their
next step instead of college would actually be development leagues
to the NFL directly.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I mean it's not tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I think it'd be fascinating to look at it from
this angle, though, you know, there are rumors out there
and I think there's no even one.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I forget which team it is. It's very topical.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
They're they're looking at selling, They're selling the Conference is
selling off.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
To private equity. And Utah.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Yeah, Utah is a specific team, and I thought there
was a conference that was, you know, before the conference
realignment stuff, they were thinking about looking at private equity.
You know, I think it'd be beneficial for the NFL
to come in and invest in college football in some
capacity like that. If let's just say the Big twelve
(34:16):
or the ACC, you know, not the SEC, because that's
the ESPN has a stronghold on that, Fox has a
stronghold on the Big Ten. But if the NFL came
in and bought the Big twelve and bought the ACC
and they reshaped it in the way that they saw fit, man,
I think it's I think it'd be a major money
(34:38):
generator for the NFL, the shield itself. And I think
because they actually have strong leadership, it would force this
supposed NC double A to adhere to what they were
doing in their best practices because they have a better
idea what's better for the players than what the NC
DOUBLEA does.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
So you played for the nineteen ninety eight ks Wildcats,
number three in the BCS in December, whoa, and then
we got Edgar and James for the Canes. As time
was running out on UCLA, Kansas State held a seventeen
to three lead over number ten Texas A and M
in the second quarter of the Big Twelve Championship game,
(35:19):
and the crowd roared at the announcement of Miami's victory. However,
the Aggies chipped away at the Wildcats lead and tied
the score at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
With one minute to play.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Kansas State quarterback Michael Bishop completed a fifty five.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yard hail Mary with time running.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Out, but the receiver was tackled just short of the
goal line and the game went into overtime. The teams
traded field goals until A and M's Brandon Stewart threw
a thirty two yard touchdown pass to Sir Parker. They
gave the Aggies a thirty six to thirty three double
overtime triumph over Lebers. Kansas State dreams uh uh, dreams
(36:05):
of an unlikely championship seemingly came to an end. Well,
then it got controversial. Number four Kansas State was left
out of the BCS Balls despite their high ranking, instead
being sent to play unranked per Due in the Alamo
Bile and number ten two Lane was undefeated, but their
light schedule eliminated them from championship consideration. The Green Wave
(36:27):
would match up against Brigham Young and the Liberty Ball.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You see, you see how long long it's been going on.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
You see how long ago NC Double A has been
royally ft This whole situation.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Get the NC double A, the PTSD you have from
football related stuff from this. I thought it was just
nine Louisiana super Dome, the FARV game.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Wow, So this is so, this is how this went down.
This is how corrupt college football is. So that So
we had the last game on Saturday night. Okay, we
go into double overtime against A and M. We if
we win that game, we're in the National Championship game. Geez, okay.
So we end up losing that game against Miami, I believe. Yeah,
(37:15):
they were the number one seed. Yeah, so wow.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You had Gramatica on your team, yeah, Martem Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And Michael Bishop, by the way, was a bomb college quarterback.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Yeah, blin Blenn junior college. So here's what happened. Was
because of the way that the system worked back then,
and it's still as corrupt as it is now, all
of the other bowls had already agreed to the teams
before we played that game.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
So we lose that game, We're not they they expected
us to go in the National Championship game. I don't
know why, because we're playing the number ranked, number ten
ranked Texas A and m Aggie's like, then we're not
playing some terrible team here.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
So we get to bull Sunday Selection Sunday, we have
no place to go. So all of the big bulls
that we should we qualified for. We were the notre
dame at the time. You were eleven to zero into
that game, eleven and oh, and we got shuffled down
to the alimable, just beaten nothing but ranked teams week
(38:17):
after week Colorado with Cordell Stewart.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Jeez, oh, I think we smashed Texas.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You beat number eleven Nebraska forty thirty, You beat nineteen
Missouri thirty one, twenty five. Ah kay, you killed Texas
forty eight seven, third game of the season. Yeah, that
was dreadlocks and everything. I think he had well, I
think he had like maybe twenty yards rushing.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
This is the best.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
So then, so the point is we get shuffled down
to the aliable we have and we're playing Drew Brees
and Purdue and we end up getting beat right. But
the point is nobody wanted to play that game. We
had a team, we had a players only meeting that Monday.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You only lost by three at the wire. Yeah, but
it was a high scoring game.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
And what you know, we had a players only meeting,
much like a lot of these young kids are doing
right now, and we had a meeting about whether or
not we're going to accept this Bowl invitation to go
down to San Antonio. And we were basically we as players,
said no, we don't want to play in this.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
This is disrespectful.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
We don't want to play in this in this Bowl game,
and basically are the way we understand it now is
our ad basically came to the head coach and said,
we're leaving you know, three million dollars or whatever it
is on the table if we don't accept this this
bull bid, and you know we're still lowly k state.
I mean that pays for our whole coaching staff, you
(39:35):
know at the time. So we were forced to play
a game that we didn't want to play and because
we knew at the time it was disrespectful because of
the money. So because of the money. So it's the
same situation. If so, if Notre Dame has the money,
that's awesome. To give a double middle finger to the
NC DOUBLEA, I say more power to you. You go
ahead and do it, because guess what their fans aren't
going anywhere. Their TV deals for next year on CBA
(39:57):
or NBC are going nowhere. Right, they can do what
they want. Man, Hey, you laid that out so beautifully.
Covenants for the second time, the show company collapse.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Brad Sham, the forty seven year vox for the tech
for the Cowboys started the radio show.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
He got covenant collapse.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So does Ben liber All right, Tom, watch him on
Channel five today three to four thirty. Thank you Children's
Cancer Research Fund. See you this weekend. All right, all right, man,
Ben Liber back after this pure progression, this free blowing
foot movement that with JJ McCarthy man nine to news,
(40:32):
just looking for a little free balling.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's a long year talking about our mangles, the leg
whips and the fastballs too.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He's a young kid. Hope he turns out like Elway.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I've lost count to those that he overthrew.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
A party to throw it over the middle and it's
intercepted by idam.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Duppy neurological paths.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
The power of completions with pitch and catch doesn't have
to be this hard.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
But he's a young kid.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You gotta keep the patience even cas.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Like just go spin around the yard. Now he's pre.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
Pree.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Poor.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, he's free. He's pree poor. Jak mc party. Now
he's pree. That's what Nordon wants. He wants some free
ball and pre balling.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Had somebody text ask me why you don't want him
to wear underwear?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
He's pre balling. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Thank you Tom Petty, Thank you Nordo, Thank you Canterbury
Parkcanterbury Park dot Com for news de nord Thank you
Texans box Mark Vandermere for your patience and your kindness
and your gratitude for recognizing we're gonna be a couple
of minutes later. Here we're glorifying the greats because we
got news to nord.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Near the Yeah, we do indeed. Sad for Gophers hoops
last night. They weren't able to replicate their performance against Indiana.
They were just absolutely pasted by Purdue eighty five fifty
Seven's the final You called.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That yesterday with that twenty and a half point spread.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Oh, it was just one of those things, I mean,
you know, slumpbuster for Purdue, who was just barrassed, embarrassed
in nearly historical fashion at home the previous game tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Looking forward to the getting back in action.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I'm going through Howell would drawl with this weird Cup
game schedule. It's completely screwing my fantasy team. No one
cares about that.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
But the Wolves are back at it at the Dubs
tomorrow night at nine pm.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, let's make it worse. Steph Curry's off there in
active lists. He's practicing great narrow casting my fantasy team. Functually,
of course, face is Steph Curry this week. He's missed
a month. Now I'll get him so how it always works.
But for the how, yeah, they're very much a goin
to get step tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Night pre balling now.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, So thirteen and twelve Dubs have had their own
worries with injuries and various things. Wolves largely healthy. Let's
get that w tomorrow and then final hour, final thing. PA,
We're gonna have Joe Smith of the Athletic on he
covers the Minnesota Wild because that's kind of the a topic. Tonight,
YEP is seven o'clock puck drop Dallas Stars in Town
and the Wild. They're playing host at Grand Casino Arena,
(43:51):
So bounce back and forth or just stick to the
puckets on your home for Wild Hockey the Fan Thursday
Night football of course Falcons and Bucks who care. Let's
see if Caprice off and all members of the Minnesota
Wild can be wearing Christmas colors and getting two points
tonight at Grand Casino Arena.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Joe Smith the lead hockey mine with the Athletic Athletic
dot Com and d does join about twenty minutes from now,
and he tweeted about fifteen minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Two things here.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
One, thank you coach Hines for shooting straight with nine
to now as he shared yesterday, don't count on.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Zooki or Midzy tonight.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Indeed with the line combinations at the morning skate, Joe
tweets at Joe Smith NHL the Wild Goat Caprice off,
You're off, Tarasenko, Jojo, Eric Sinec, Boldi, Trainion Hartman and Ogrin, Jones,
Sturm and Pittlick for the fourth line so no Felinos still.
(44:48):
Then brodin In Faber, Damien Hunt and Jared Spurgeon, AH
Captain and zeb Bullam and a Bogosian for the third
pairing on DEEV Joe from the Athletic fifteen twenty minutes
from now. Our Weekly Football segment we began when the
team was four and eight, now it's five and eight,
or we're gonna keep the segment going called Glorifying the Greats,
(45:10):
focused on the Pats last week. This week we will
chat about the Houston Texans, and we'll do so with
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