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(01:12):
the every week newsletter at Ben Gessling via Twitter. Good
place to start. The Minnesota Vikings eight and a half
to nine point underdogs Sunday at ford Field eight and
a half two nine point underdogs at ford Field. The
last time they were perceived so beatable in the betting markets,

(01:35):
which is a roundabout way of saying, the last time
they were this big of an underdog Week sixteen. Okay,
twenty twenty one at green Bay thirteen point underdogs, green
Bay killed him by twenty seven. That must have swung weight.
And I think Bradbury caught a pass in that game
he did that.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I bet that line swung late because that was the
game Cousin's missed with COVID. I bet that's mind change
news hit. I think it was like a Friday Morning
man though, yes, Sean Manyon, that was the Kellen Mond.
When Mike Zimmer was asked, do you want to see
kelln Mond? Not particularly?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Right? Why not? I see him every day? Brad Barry
caught a pass in that he did like a deflection, right, yep.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I think we did see Kellen Mond for one drive
in that game too many like hurt his finger and
had to get it wrapped or something.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But Mond goes like two or three for five yards.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I think that was what a game. That was some
of the with the Carson Wentz news from yesterday and
Carson may speak tomorrow, do do you know if he's
speaking tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know for sure. I wouldn't be shocked. I
guess if he wanted to kind of give a valedictory statement.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, yeah, he might speak this week and it could
be tomorrow, but nevertheless would be it'd be good to
hear from him about everything I, you and we and
others are seen on social media about or maybe even
in print. Maybe you hear it on the radio or
see it on TV. Carson wentz, heading to heading to
IR which there's part of it. I'm just going to

(03:00):
frame it up like this. There's part of it from
I dream know how to describe it. Fans, football, just people,
just people where it's basically like there was a part
of the game Thursday night where Kevin O'Connell went Mortal
Kombat on it and looked at Khalil Mack and said
finish him talking about his quarterback. Carson wentz, Yeah, that's

(03:24):
how summer making it sound. What are your.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Thoughts, Yeah, there's been a lot of that sort of thing,
and no, that's not what happened. I think there are
a lot of interests here from different parties that can
align or they can be competing in some cases. What
I mean by that is Carson Wentz, as Kevin O'Connell
said it after the game, was asked multiple times, do

(03:48):
you want to come out? And he said, I want
to stay in the game. And I'm sure in his
mind it's he knows the timeline with JJ McCarthy. He
knows this, maybe you know, the last call at the
OK Corral, so to speak, and he's wanting to stay
in and play and try to help get the team
back in the game. And then eventually it gets to
a point where the pain tolerance is so much that
it's it's just you can't go when it's over. But

(04:11):
I think some of it for him is saying, you know,
I want to stay in the game. I want to play.
I want to try to help my team come back
from this. So you have that piece of it. And
then you know the line they're playing behind too, is
you have Christian Darisol out and you have Brian O'Neil out,
and part of that is they are trying to be
careful with injuries in those particular cases, so you know,
those things compete. I think with Wentz and where he

(04:34):
is kind of being exposed to more pressure because that
offensive line is as beat up as it is, and
then you have the question of Max Brosmurer. I mean,
one of the many theories I've seen in the last
twenty four hours is this idea that, oh, they're hiding
Max brosmur because he's better than JJ McCarthy and Kevin
O'Connell knows it and doesn't want to have everybody see it,

(04:57):
and that all.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's all. That's been a lot of place.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
And if that were the case, and Kevin O'Connell knew
he had basically the answer to his quarterback problem on
his bench, do we really think Kevin O'Connell is not
going to play that quarterback? I mean, that defies logic too,
But I hadn't seen that. That's been one a lot.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Two of his four years here, he has experienced significant strife. Yeah,
he's been doing everything he can to finalize that spot
right that the answer is sitting right over there, but
he won't do it.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
But it's not the preferred answer because it's not the
one he drafted. It's like, I mean, this is Trey
Lance brock purty stuff. I suppose, but it I think
in a lot of cases, and it will be interesting
to hear if Wentz talks because I mean, the sentiment
after the game was I wanted to fight through it
as far as I could.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And the other thing is, from what I understand from yesterday,
he found out after that game in London how bad
this injury was. In other words, when he's preparing for
that Philly game, he knows the same thing, he knows
the same risks, he knows the same pain. He's going
to have to manage through it as he did in
the Chargers game, and he gets through that one. Obviously
had a lot of red zone mistakes in that and

(06:08):
the team had a lot of red zone mistakes in
that game. But he gets through it, plays the whole game,
practices and full the whole week. So this was not
something that became an issue for the first time on
Thursday night. This is not something the Vikings learned about
on Thursday night for the first time. And I don't believe,
at least from what I know at this point, that
the injury was any more severe. I mean, they had

(06:29):
a bigger harness on it. You're trying to figure out
what's going to work better to stabilize that thing. But
my understanding is the damage was done by that hit
in London. I don't I don't think this got progressively
worse other than you know, you're just trying to manage
through a lot of pain and pain. Yeah, yeah, you
get to a point where it's it's a lot to
deal with, as we all saw Thursday night. But yeah,

(06:50):
I think some of this is you have a quarterback
that has some agency in this too, and that discussion.
The quarterbacks always gonna have a voice in am I
got a play or am I not? And I think
that's part of what happen here. What does the scribes
take on doctors, legitimate doctors mds, splashing on social media

(07:11):
while not having access to the medical team here or
being on the sideline, or having access to the head coach. Yeah,
I mean that's always tricky because you do have I mean,
you have doctors who are obviously more educated and more
informed on what these injuries could be than the general
public is. But I have a hard time with it

(07:34):
when doctors don't hage it by saying I don't obviously
have access to the medical records, like if you're offering
a take and saying I am couching this with the
caveat that I don't have the medical records, it's easier
for me to be like, Okay, yeah, this is in
good faith. Then if it's oh, this is absolutely what
it is. They need to do this, You just you
don't have enough information. And I know that social media

(07:58):
generally is not a place where the phrase you know,
I don't know it could be this, but I don't
have enough information to make an informed, complete statement on this.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
That doesn't tend to play well on social media.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
But I tend to I mean, call me old fashioned,
I guess, but I tend to feel a little more
affinity for those who can be like, hey, I don't
have everything here, but here's my best guess at it.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
I feel like they're really mostly battling optics here in
some respects, like actual literal visual optics.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
A standpoint, hard to watch.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
That he's in agony, yep, And you know that you
have the healthy cat on the bench.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Max bros.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right, and so you know the one thing, I mean,
I think you can have conversations about when you finally
did decide to put Max in at that point, because
Carson frankly was not I mean the team in general.
That's that's why there's multiple things that you need to
address with this team conversationally. The team wasn't playing winning football.
So the idea, you know, does does does Carson on

(08:58):
some levels provide you with a better chance to win
the Max Brozmer I think the answer is yes, but
nothing was working right on Thursday. But the optics of
him in agony, Yeah, And you have to like, they
did not force him into the game. Carson's not sitting
there going guys, I just I just need a break.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Guys, guys, I just just give.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Me a breather, let me have a drive off. And
Kevin O'Connell's literally pulling him onto the field. That's not
a thing that happened.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
If that was the thing that happened, you could see
some players probably playing that don't.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
So I just think the you know, the the optics
thing with the agony in combination ben with if it
was Brett Rippon on the bench and not the undrafted
Gopher cat with a lot of built local equity. I
don't think that we're discussing this in the social media
sphere the same way.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
No. I think that's right.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think there is a particular component to this because
it is somebody that the local fan base knows and
likes and played well for the golfers and playball in
the preseason. I mean, we did do this a little
bit with Kyle Slotter Tis where he played well in
the preseason, and hey, this is something that could be intriguing.
But again, if the Vikings seeing him every day and

(10:10):
seeing him throughout training camp and seeing all of these
quarterbacks for as much time as they have had reached
a conclusion this is the guy that gives us the
best chance to win in twenty twenty five, they are
not keeping him on the bench because of trying to
hide some admission that he's better than the guy they
drafted tenth overall. I just I don't think that a

(10:31):
head coach who is paid to win games now for
a team that likes to be in contention regularly, is
going to actively undermine that because of an optical question
on is it the quarterback that I drafted or is
it the quarterback I signed as an undrafted free agent
because I have a good local relationship with the head coach,

(10:51):
which means I got to see him with the protag twice,
which means I like them, which means we brought him in.
I mean, you know, there is that component, there's a
component to the local angle here, but I don't think
that is going to be such that there's some grand
conspiracy to hide Max Brosmer because of the optics of it.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
How far down the road or when do you get
on this path if you even do figuring out if
they're going to sign a veteran this week? Yeah, are
they going to make a trade or are they going
to go with the kids? Go one two with the
kids into the Lions game. I'm cool with that if
they do well my opinion.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I mean, and they did fill the roster spot
yesterday with Ben Simms, and not that that won't create
other opportunities to make roster moves later this week. I mean,
the first names I would look at would be the
guys that have been here. I mean, if you can
bring Desmond Ritter back here. I think Brett Repin is
on a practice squad me with the Colts, Yep, you
could do that.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I suppose.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Those would be the automatics that I would think about,
just people that have already been in the offense and
would give you another option. I think they're going to
have to find another quarterback. I don't think they're going
to want to just go with two in the building
and not have a third at some point. So I
would expect there's a quarterback move here this week, and
we'll see if it's somebody outside of those two names.
But that's the first place my mind goes is those

(12:09):
two guys. And you know, you could make moves. I mean,
I could try to make a trade for Nick Mullins,
I suppose, and I'm conjecturing here, but you know, people
that have been here and would know the offense. I
think some of those things could be options. But I
mean the easy solutions would be guys that have been
here this year already and maybe relatively easy to acquire.

(12:30):
I do think they're going to be looking in that market, though.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I watched minimal football this weekend outside of Green Bay
and Pittsburgh. Yeah, kind of ramping up for that game.
The afternoon games when I had an opportunity to watch,
weren't that great. So I just absence makes the heart
grow fonder, That's basically the way to look at it. Yeah,
So anybody happened to know how Cousins played in that
Atlanta game.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I looked at the box score didn't look great. I
don't think it was very good. I didn't want it either.
I was up in the luth celebrating my twentieth wedding
anniversary with my beautiful wife.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
So I watched very yeah anniversary.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yes, I so we had very little football. I got
back home and watched the Packers and the Steelers on
Sunday night. But yeah, had very little on other than that.
But yeah, from what I saw in the box score
and just a little lot of hurt. I don't think
Cousin played totally well.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
No, I don't think he had any turnovers in the game.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I think it was of the I mean, we watched
a little bit of ourselves on Thursday night. Felt like
everything that could go wrong for the Falcons. They didn't
have Drake London in the mid killed, was Kyle Pitts
even playing. I forget had a bad game. Yeah, yeah,
they lost. I think it was like thirty four or something.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, like it was. It was really bad. Yeah, so uh,
that is that a thing. I mean, we can we
can move on.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
From the idea of trading for Kirk Cousins, right, we
can move on from that.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm just satisfying those who live in the realm of
the low hanging fruit. So therefore that's going to come out. Yeah,
because yeah, it's and I figure we would just bring
it up Ben Gasoline at Ben Gasoline via Twitter that
covers the vikings for the Star Tribune Startribune dot com.
So would you make McCarthy into Brosmer one two prohibitively

(14:14):
favored this week into this game, Yeah, I would.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
I don't think it's terribly likely that you bring somebody
in that is going to jump Max Brosmer as the
number two spot. I mean, this is probably a little
bit like the Josh Dobbs thing in twenty three if
you bring somebody in as you're trying to get somebody
up to speed relatively quickly, especially if it's not somebody
that's already been in the building this year. But yes,

(14:38):
I would expect it's McCarthy to brosmurr and then you're
going to want somebody else as an emergency. Third, I
would expect that's probably out goes and in fairness, you know,
and with respect to JJ McCarthy, it until they rattle
off a consecutive games, really just consecutive games.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Let's say consecutive is three. But until he starts making
all these dances, who is he? He's somebody who played
in a preseason game and played well, and then nobody
saw him again for a year. Didn't exactly know why
for a while, but he was gone, and then you
get excited about him, and he you know, he plays
a little bit in that Houston preseason game, and then

(15:20):
he's gone again, and he's gone again for a month,
month and change. So am I going to say injury prone?
That's unfair to say that, specifically with the high ankle,
and yeah, the freakish nature of the first year he
was in the league, the preseason game, but nevertheless, until
you see him play five, ten, fifteen fifty games consecutively,

(15:42):
I you know, you just need to be on alert
with that, right, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And the where we're at at the moment is we've
seen him for two games and the second one was
not good, and a lot of the first one was
kind of disorganized and disheveled a little bit until they
can get things going again in the four quarters. So
the ledger is stacked heavily in favor of time. We
have not seen him at this point, and he needs

(16:07):
to do some things to balance the ledger. I guess
I'd put it that way, yeah, because yes, he does
need to have some consistency. He needs to have some developments,
some things that people can grab onto to say, Okay,
yes there is progress here, there's some consistency, and there's
some durability. I mean that is the thing as we
talk about Kirk Cousins, that is the one thing that

(16:28):
you could hang your hat on with him in six
years here is he was going to be on the
field just about every week. And that stretch of QB
durability in this franchise's history is not very common. So
you need quarterbacks that you can count on to be
there every single week. And I think until JJ McCarthy
does that, there is going to be some of that

(16:49):
question because that is such an important attribute for a
quarterback and he needs to kind of tip things back
in that direction.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Josh Allen pretty good quarterback, right, Yeah. Josh Allen twenty eighteen,
first season. Now, there was that victory as a sixteen
in that point underknock at US Thanks Stadium where he
jumping over Anthony bar Now he had two rushing touchdowns
in that game. I think He had one touchdown, zero
picks in that game. However, Josh one of the best

(17:18):
in the NFL, if not the best right now. So
twenty eighteen, that's not that long ago. His first season
ten touchdowns, twelve interceptions, fifty eight percent completion. Yeah, Bo Nicks,
Drake May. I mean, when we saw Drake May at
the joint practices, I was like, okay, I mean, yeah,
he's okay. I mean, there's nothing nothing. I was impressident

(17:40):
of the first day. The second day with maybe a
little less, but right, well, the second day counts. Yeah,
So you see what I'm saying, it's like typical for
young quarterbacks. Hey wow yeah yeah, so yea being here,
Nixon may have started to combine forty five, but early
in their runs there were a lot of mistakes and

(18:01):
a lot of growing pains through which Peyton and or
at that time Girod Mayo through they had to endure.
So with May and Nix, clearly it's taken off. Clearly
it's taken off this year, and they look like they belong.
With Josh Allen, same things started end of his rookie year.

(18:21):
Point being here is to predict McCarthy will play this weekend,
then play the rest of the year and have a
three to one four to one touchdown to interception ratio,
completing sixty eight percent of his passes. Yours per attempt
is eight and a half. It runs for ten touchdowns.
It's probably a lot to ask for, right, but that's

(18:42):
not a lot to ask for nearing the end of
the year or next year. Point being here, and I'm
going to bring this up in much more truncated fashion
with O'Connell, just wondering what the number is, like, how
many games before you start to know really what you have?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, I remember there was a lot of this discussion
with younger quarterbacks have covered. When do you say, okay,
this is it a full season's worth? Is it sixteen
seventeen games worth? Or is it more than that that
you have to say he needs this amount of seasoning,
this amount of kind of incubation period. I guess before
he's you know what you have? I think a lot

(19:21):
of that question comes up. I tend to think when
you look at my mind goes to guys like Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones obviously great exactly, Yeah, two of
these three guys were here last year, so there's a
tie in to this as well. But you have a
lot of these quarterbacks. All three of these guys were
top ten picks. Mayfield was the number one pick in
the draft. I think Donald was number three. Where they

(19:42):
bust out with their first teams and everybody says, no,
they're done, they're washed. This isn't going to work, and
in some cases, like Donald, you're bouncing around to different
teams before you get in the right spot and figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
But those guys are in their late twenties at this point,
and you.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Look at quarterbacks that have dominated in the NFL in
recent years. It's Tom Brady in his late thirties early forties.
It's Peyton Manning in his late thirties. It's Aaron Rodgers
winning MVPs in his late thirties. There is something to
be said for time on task at this position and
just getting to the point where everything moves faster, because oh,

(20:19):
I've seen this defense four times and I can go
back to twenty you know, we'll fast forward this say
it's twenty twenty eight, and JJ mcarth can say I
can go back to twenty twenty six. I saw this
look against them and this is what happened. I can
catalog this, this time, I need to do this, and
you're processing all of that. You see quarterbacks process that
in the matter of less time than it took me
to say it. So that stuff doesn't happen until you

(20:40):
have some experience, in some time in the seat, so
to speak. And I think that sometimes why you see,
I mean, the rookie contracts and the general lack of
patience we have in society forces people to make decisions
on these quarterbacks faster than they probably develop. But you
see guys that hit what they're saying in teams like Mayfield,

(21:01):
like Darnold, like Daniel Jones, in some cases third or
fourth teams, whatever, it is the reason to have patients
with a quarterback. I think those guys are examples of that.
And it just is a reminder of how long it
takes for this thing to click for a lot of guys,
because it is really difficult to do.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, And it's it's interesting too where it kind of
tells you then that there's no great formula for finding
that QB because the unicorns, in some respects of the
Tom Brady's and the Peyton mannings, you think about that generation.
At one point it was you can only win a
Super Bowl on a quarterback's rookie contract. And you think
about Flacco early on with the Ravens. You think about

(21:38):
Russell Wilson more recent example, and how is his career
has completely fallen off a freaking cliff. And meanwhile, you'll
have a Patrick Mahomes that sits for a year behind
an already playoff team steps in and it's been dynasty
like ever since. You know, the the sure, true and
tried approach to finding one of these guys and getting

(21:59):
the right answers still was difficult and in some ways
not defined in terms of a specific path to get there.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, it is tricky. I remember talking to Ron Wolf
about this probably well only would have been twenty fourteen
when the Vikings were in the quarterback market back then,
and obviously made the trade for Brett. Favre had drafted
Matt Hasselback, he drafted Aaron Brooks, he drafted I think
Mark Brunell, I mean, had a lot of quarterbacks come
through there that turned into solid NFL starters and is

(22:27):
in the NFL Hall of Fame now in large part
because of the trade he made for Prett Farv and
one of the thing he said, one of the things
he said in that conversation is I've missed on quarterbacks before.
I mean, this is a guy that is known as
one of the great finders of quarterback talents, one of
the great scouts of quarterback talent in the modern era,

(22:49):
and he's still like, yeah, it's not easy to do
all the time. So I think where it gets tricky
is when you are I mean, they've put their eggs
in this basket and I think they're going to be there.
I think that decision makes sense. It does expose you
to the idea that you're going to miss because it
is possible, if not likely, that you're going to miss

(23:10):
on these quarterbacks just because the hit rate is not
very high. But that does come with a risk to reputation,
it comes with a risk to job security, all of
those things. But you have to go through it because
if you do hit on the guy the benefit. Ron
Wolf is in the Hall of Fame because of one decision.
I mean, he had a great career obviously other than that,

(23:30):
but the one decision he made to get Brett Favre
then opens the door for everything else. They did in
the nineties. I mean, Bill Pollian is in the Hall
of Fame because of all probably two I mean getting
Jim Kelly and then getting Peyton Manning. It's the benefit
of it is that if you hit I mean, this
is what Brett Peach in Kansas City too. If you
find the right one, you are living off that decision

(23:52):
for fifteen years. So the payout is really great, even
if the odds are long. So it's why everybody comes
back and plays the game. You have to because if
you find that guy, you have a lot of things
you just don't worry about for a really long time.

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Speaker 3 (26:04):
I don't think we've had anything terribly squabble worthy lately.
I think we Thursday night it was I think it
was just Emily and me after the game. We'll do
one this week. But yeah, it's been I think usually
we just she rolls her eyes in all of our
you know, old guy, old nineties movie references and that
she doesn't understand. So we've been Actually one of the

(26:26):
things we've been doing it's been kind of fun is
Andrew and I will get on some rabbit trail about
some game that happened in twenty fifteen or something, and
we've basically made a list of, Hey, here are all
these old games you need to watch to probably understand
the context of all the stuff we're talking about. But
just like moments, and it's recent Vikings history because this
is year fourteen for me, year thirteen for Andrews, so

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we're kind of limiting it to that scope of time.
But we've given our a few before that as well.
But yeah, that's that's been the thing lately, we've kind
of sent her on a homework project of go watch
some of these. Yeah, and we did not pick all
the fun we gave her like the Buffalo game in
twenty two obviously, but we gave her like the game

(27:08):
at sixteen because we talk about that a lot.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Where what about the Kamarica game and the pandemic when
he had zix We I don't know if you had
that on the list. We had the twenty sixteen winning Green.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Bay, Yeah, where nobody wanted to play road shadowing Jordy Nelson.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I mean that game. We told her like we rung
that up.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Enough Rogers near half on the scram Yeah, save your
roads on skates.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, ceiling goes for two hundred, but I think Jordi
had two touchdowns. You had a big day.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
But yeah, So we've put some of those in there
because just some of those moments that had some ramifications
that carried into future discussions, We've we've given her some
of those too. So that's been probably a lot of
it lately.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, there's a but isn't there a forty nine Ers
game not against the Vikings. I don't think that you
did that. Emily needs to know about. It's the one
where it to put the Carson Wentz situation in context. Yeah,
the forty nine ers had a safety named Ronnie Lott
who I believe had part of a finger amputated just
so he could play. Yes, so that that's kind of

(28:09):
like decades old contact like got.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Cut off on the end up on the guy's helmet,
didn't it. Like the really fragment of his finger ended up, I.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Mean like stuck like a piece of terrific sauces, right,
And he had a decision tap out or play, and
he said, cut off the tip of my finger.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I want to play. Yeah, there is some summer just
wired differently.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
He's a Jeff Overbaugh in twenty eighteen he loses part
of his finger.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh wow with the vikings.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And we had that game in there, the Thursday night game,
Jeff Overbaugh the long snapper. Yeah, because I'm thinking Colisseum
Kevin McDermott. I thought I thought it was it's McDermott. Well, oh,
you're right, yeah, McDermott lost it. Dermott was actually here.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Overbough came in because of that an overball blue or
played into blowing the miracle game seventeen. Yeah, when he
went in the playoff game, when he went to the
wrong guy, there was a block punt the floodgates state.
Oh yes, yes, it's McDermott and Colin Muffler were actually
here yesterday. Really, yeah, they were.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I think mccu McDermott's like a financial planner now, so
they were talking to players. There was like a financial
education meeting that I think he was part of.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
But yeah, both those guys were here yesterday. So with
under the near absolute assumption JJ McCarthy is the quarterback
at Ford Field this weekend. Who do you think gets
most of the looks with McCarthy at the helm, The
most touches are the most targets the most looks. Yeah,
I mean, like, are we just going to target justin

(29:34):
ten to fifteen times sales and doubles Hockinson's you know,
he's been a little non the script this year. But Ty,
it's when you think, at least when I think new
I think running swings to running backs, yeah, screams to
running backs Aaron Jones and tight ends, yeah, you know,
because it's generally within twenty yards.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, the other I think that is correct. I would
agree with that that you're trying to make things a
little more user friendly. I mean kind of like we saw.
I mean, he hits the throat Aaron Jones in the
Bears game. The other guy I'm really curious to see though,
is Jordan Addison because JJ McCarthy and yes, JJ McCarthy
and Jordan Addison had a lot of chemistry and training

(30:16):
camp and that was a lot of the time where
Justin Jefferson was out with the hamstrings, so Addison was
getting a lot of work, a lot of looks from
McCarthy is the first read on those plays, and I
think they developed more timing through that than you would
expect that would have otherwise happened if Justin Jefferson is
in those training camp practices. So JJ McCarthy has not

(30:37):
played with Jordan Addison yet. He hasn't played with a
lot of the offensive linemen either to this point, but
I am very curious to see what that looks like
with Addison.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Is there one thing when JJ, again, presumably JJ McCarthy's
going to start at Ford Field on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I would be very surprised if that's not the case.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Is there one particular thing that you're looking for Okay,
Take two twenty twenty five edition, where it's like, Okay,
you've had the time off and we got the ankle,
we got the injury and all that limited opportunities to
practice all that full week. This week, is there one
thing you're looking for JJ Take two that says, Okay,
that's that's actually that's a graduating factor, a graduating element

(31:17):
of his game that maybe we didn't see through those
limited eight quarter experience early in the season.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, I'll start that conversation with apologies to Guardsy because
I'm gonna bring up the footwork Guardsy is very tired
of the footwork conversation. Yeah, but it it is the
thing that Kevin O'Connell has stressed quite a bit and
we've heard a lot about it, And I think that's
instructive because it's something that they're going to be looking
at pretty closely to see did this get better in

(31:43):
the course of the game. So is he throwing from
a better base balance and body position, to use the
Kevin O'Connell phrase. I'm interested to see that. But the
other thing is I'm interested to see how quickly does
he process things, because we didn't see him get rid
of the ball terribly quickly. In those two games. I
think his time to throw was over three seconds. He's
got to work a little faster in some of those

(32:05):
settings where it can I suppose go either way, because
there's times where he could hold it a click longer
and there's a guy open. But I think generally developing
a little more timing, that little more intuitive feel of
when can I go at the same time that a
play needs to develop and a route needs to develop.
The timing of playing the position, I think is something
that he needs to improve, and I'll be very curious

(32:26):
to see if he does a better job of that,
especially with a defense that likes to grab receivers and
the defense that's going to have a pretty good pass rush.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Hey man, really cool that you came out here when well,
I mean, we do this every Tuesday. However, I didn't
know there weren't Coordinator press conferences today until tomorrow. So
I appreciate sure you doing us as solid making that
drive out. Yeah. Ben Gasoline at Ben Gasoline via x
Star Tribune, Star Tribune dot com. That's where you can
find access vikings. The podcast. Ben is a big part

(32:56):
of news do Nords around the Corner. Then about twenty
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Speaker 2 (34:19):
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Speaker 4 (34:24):
You're going to get to hear that right here on
your home for Wild Hockey the fan. I didn't stay
up for all eighteen innings. I assume you did not either.
Eighteen freaking innings last night. Took for Game three. Jays
were up two or three when I checked out, Yeah,
and it was four to two in the fourth innings,
so Toronto got the bats moving and then I believe

(34:44):
it was the Dodgers who would then tie it up
and it was back and forth the rest of the way.
Didn't see any runs from the seventh inning on until
I believe it was Freddie Freeman in the bottom of
the eighteenth to get it done. I was texting you though,
I mean, this is again, this is a long boring
conversation about you know, our baseball team and just kind

(35:04):
of stealing the spirit and the love of the game.
This World Series has been fantastic, just thinking shoe Otani
is just gonna muscle this team. He comes alive in
the Brewers series, and it's just it's over.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
If it's not a sweep, it's gonna go five games.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
And the Dodgers since losing Game one, have have now
found their way to a two to one lead. But
last night, man, I mean, how game are these guys?
Whether it was Sureser and Glassen now to start, neither
certainly were unscathed in the affair. But you're seeing Varlin
stretch to an inning and a third. You're seeing guys
come out of nowhere. I mean Clayton Kershaw, I don't

(35:39):
know if he'll pitching his MLB career again, pitched a
third of an inning to get a big out, two outs,
bases loaded. I forget which inning that was in. You're stretching,
will climb to freaking four innings because you run out
of pitchers that you know clearly. And I fell asleep
after Kershaw left the mound and he got out of
that inning clean.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
But it was just so much drama last night.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Some defensive plays, Jays are trying to stretch runners to.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Get the extra base.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
They got tagged out a couple of times, one time
at home, another time trying to go first to third.
I think it was the second basement Edmund with one
of the defensive plays of the game, and maybe the series,
Like it's just been, it's been a.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Hell of a lot of fun to watch these.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Two teams, despite maybe being in the cornfields and being like, wow,
they got all the money, they got all the players.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It's been super entertaining. The early stages of the game
had some umpire related controversy and I don't know the
homeplay umpire's name, but he was I don't know if
he's always like this. He was very slow and deliberate
with some of this ball and strike balls and strikes calls.
Oh I saw that later too. Yeah, so it's a
bobashett is on first base, and I think Dalton varshow

(36:46):
is at the play. Just three and one and okay,
the homeplayed umpire blew a call. There was a fastball
that Glasnow threw. It was high, it was a ball.
But nevertheless, he's not the first to ring somebody up
on something that's inches away from a strike. The thing is,
it took him like three seconds to go nahm trike

(37:08):
for a strike. Okay, now that would have made it
three two. Bishett and bar show thought because he didn't
say anything, it was a ball. Barshow starts walking to first,
Bischett starts walking to second. It's a ball. So Glas
now gets the ball back from will Smith, the catcher
who's pointing at first, saying throw over there, and they tap.

(37:29):
They touched Bishett, you're out. Now that's the inning that
Edmund when Steve sacks on it and let a ball
go underneath his glove and the floodgates started to open
a little bit. So the Jays lose by one in eighteen.
Then this is not indicating they wouldn't have lost. But
if Bishett had to have been more chill and waited
for the exact call and didn't lead first base, then

(37:51):
they ended up scoring like three runs on that inning.
It could have been a lot more. That That was
an early game controversy that I think absolutely plays into
the outcome. Well, it's it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
I didn't see that part because I was trying to
bounce in on Monday Night football. By the way, it
looks like Chiefs healthy, Chiefs off again.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, and it was.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, I mean the Commanders are just free falling right now,
lack of health and just I mean they.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Get McLaurin back, which I guess is good.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
But here, guy zach Ertz, though the Guillotine shop was heavy,
I got chopped.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I think you got chopped. Okay, well, you know what,
that may be it for me for fantasy football period.
I lacked so much interest and or desire to play
fantasy football this year, only got in two leagues. The
Guillotine app that we're using is awful, aposcalyptically bad. Okay,
and it's gotten a little better, but it I mean literally,

(38:41):
it's like I got so discouraged trying to research and
follow things on this on this app. Yeah that I'm like,
I'm just I don't I'm not a big fantasy football
guy in the first place, but I'm just like lost
all my desire. No, you know, I don't. I don't
want to get chopped from all my leagues, which I did,
but I forgot to look at arts last night. Now
that that that the app is just dreadful.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
It's embarrassingly bad that they Yeah, anyway, just I and
I had aj Brown. I'm looking on the app. I'm
seeing projected points. I had no idea he was gonna
miss the game, so I took an l on that too,
But I didn't take the big chop l. Yeah, at
any rate with that Chiefs looking good. Didn't see the
ump it. He was taking more than a real time second.
I'm noticing in bed last night to call balls and strikes,

(39:25):
specifically the HA for a strike, speaking of local teams
that are potentially in the mix. No strikes here, but
the Wolves lose last night one twenty seven to fourteen
Jamal Murray twenty three of his like forty seven points
in the third quarter, blew by the howl Lakers in
town Wednesday, and potentially.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
More on that around the corner as we await the
arrival of Kevin O'Connell, which quite likely will happen five
minutes from now. Hey, here's a nine to noon alert.
Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, joins nine
to noon, about five minutes now, turn up your radios,
put them outside, so Billy Johnny Christy Susi, Tamika and Antoine.
They all can run to the radio so they can

(40:09):
hear the audio. They all run to the audio. Kevin
O'Connell joins nine to noon, five minutes from now at
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