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Speaker 3 (01:09):
My grandparents used to call me Benjamin. I actually went
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than I.
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Ben but Benny G has not been when I've gotten
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especially in the nineties during the height of the Kenny
G dynasty. Shall we say I got Benji some as
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Like the dog. So yes, this is uh.
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Paul Alien was what I was teased high school for
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Messed it up.
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So thus, uh, I need to have it waxed every
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Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's a really interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Story, you you this morning. At one time, Nordo, by
a caller John for Minneapolis, was referred to as Eric
nord Quick. Nord Quick, you're just calling him nord quick,
but to Paul.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
More like a speech impediment than an actual nickname. But
some you know, whether it's Benjamin's, you encounter Michael's, you
encounter Richard's, and it's actually like a serious thing, and
you know, whatever, it's your name, you just call you
what you want to be called, certainly, but it's like, no,
I'm not rich No, I'm not Mike, I'm Michael, right rich.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
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Speaker 3 (03:11):
May maybe at some point in my life we'll put
the layers back on the end if I decide to
get more serious with my writing career.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Up there in Nordo's favorite town, Banger as in Banger
Main McCarthy concussion, McCarthy concussion. Rosmer gets a first team
reps unless JJ is cleared. Playing off the press conference
yesterday where Benjamin Gasline was peppering the head coach with questions,
So Frozemer plays Sunday, doesn't he?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I think?
Speaker 7 (03:40):
So?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
What leads you to that conclusion? You're the scribe, I'm
just the three chin to announcer.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think the fact that McCarthy's still in the concussion protocol.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
We don't know how quickly he'll come out of that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It will take at least a couple of days, meaning
tomorrow is the key to it in a lot of ways.
I think because if you're taking first team reps on Wednesday,
which is the big day of the week, especially Thursdays
on a little bit of a truncated schedule because of Thanksgiving.
I think if Brozmur is taking first team reps tomorrow,
which I have every indication to believe he will be, Yeah,
then you're getting the prep work, You're getting the game
(04:14):
plan built with you in mind. I think Brosmur is,
you know, barring some type of a quick return for
Jad McCarthy and and the concussion particle, I don't think
it would allow for him to come back that fast.
I think it's bros Mur that will get the reps,
which means it's it's going to be Brosmo that starts.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Have you done any hardcore All twenty two film watching
to determine exactly where the potential concussion symptoms originated.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I've just been going with.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
I assume that when he scrambled, did not slide, Yeah,
got smacked pretty good, sat there for about two real
time seconds with both of his hands, kind of just.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Up the fencing response as they call it.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
And he required it appeared a little assistance, a little
help from a friend to get off the turf. That
that might be the patient zero moment for him.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, I think that's it. There was one in the
third quarter.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think that Michael Parsons sacked him and he was
down for a second where the official kind of stood
over him and kind of did the hey are you
good check in. He came back after that, obviously with
the scramble it was five minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Actually got face masked on that play. If you watch
it from the end zone copy his face mask got
twist around as he's scrambling out and then gets hit
by Isaam McDuffie. And then yes, when you talk about
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his hands being in the air, that is the thing
that I wonder about because that is the common involuntary response.
People call it a fencing responsor of facing pose. He
had a little bit of that, And I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a neurologist, so I can't say that for sure,
but from what I've learned from covering this and just
being a coach, that you go through concussion training protocol
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with the state High school league every year too, so
you see some of these things. That's I think he
threw his second pick on the very next Yeah, yeah,
that would be the one that I figured Hockkinson helped
him up pretty quickly too, so that would be my guess.
But yeah, there were a couple of times where he
got hit in the second half. Obviously got sacked five times,
so there were a couple of moments that may have
played into it. But the scramble in the fourth quarter
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would be the one where my mind.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Goes from lastly here, then we'll pause and we'll go
marathon with Ben Gesling from the start rebume after a
short pause from four and seven. From four and seven,
that's the record. How do you think they handle the
final six? It is knowing what they have for twenty
twenty six becoming an a topic.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I think it is. I mean, especially at the
quarterback position. I think that becomes the a topic because
you have to figure out where you're going to be at.
With JJ McCarthy, We'll see how long he takes to
come back from this concussion. You'll probably get a week
of Max Brosmer and then I would assume it goes
back to McCarthy, but they'll at least get a look
at Max Brosmer if in fact he's starting on Sunday.
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You have to figure this out, though, I mean, you
have to have a decent sense of where can the
quarterback position go? How do you build around it? I
think it's that, and then there are a lot of
players on the defensive side of the ball that you're
gonna have to make this on a couple of those
defensive tackles, I think there's going to be a lot
of questions about the secondary trying to figure out what
that looks like in twenty twenty six. So it does
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become about that, I think in a lot of ways,
because this is a team that's heading toward another very
pivotal offseason with a lot of draft picks and a
lot of salary cap decisions to make, so yes, I
do think that becomes a big part of what you
get out of these last six if the playoffs aren't going.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
To be a piece of it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
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x for anything interesting that percolates from US set confabs.
Now back to just to land the plane in the
quarterback situation here, if Brozmer plays in what ways do
you think it will look different?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, I mean, the thing we saw in the preseason
that he did really well was playing with some anticipation,
throwing to spots where he expected guys to be, throwing
guys open in a sense. And now I hedge on
that a little bit, because you're not seeing any game
plan for you in the preseason. It's very basic coverage
is it's backups that you're playing against. So extrapolating what
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we see in the preseason and saying, oh, this is
exactly what he's going to do in the regular season,
I think can be a little bit of a jump sometimes.
So expecting that he's going to look exactly like he
did against the Titans in August is I probably a
little bit of a stretch. But if you get him
to transfer those things, that is helpful because we have
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seen times where JJ McCarthy needs to play faster and
needs to play with a little more anticipation. I think
if Brozmer can play fast, if you can get rid
of the ball, if you can make decisions quickly, especially
against the team that's going to throw a lot of
different blitzes, a lot of different looks. With Mike McDonald,
oh yeah, I think that would be certainly the most
helpful thing the Vikings could get out of him. We
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saw enough of it in the preseason. If he can
do it in a more realistic setting, I think that
certainly could be helpful.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Now I've heard and i've heard him say this, I'm
just preparing every day like I'm.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Going to be the starter.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, but that's not necessarily entirely accurate, at least from
the standpoint like he's spending a lot of time, whether
it's scout work and doing some other things throughout the
week to help get the team ready. So really, at
least as far as maybe you know, how much different
will it be with him getting all the one reps
probably tomorrow and if the kid's not cleared from concussion protocol,
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Really he's he's kind of thrust into that spot, and
it feels like a different week of prep for him.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's a lot different because now all of the resources
are devoted to you, the game plan is built with
your input. Hey, what do you like? What are you
comfortable with here? How do you feel about this rock concept?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You know, when Kevin O'Connell talks about the red pen meeting,
if we get to the end of the week and
as Max Brosmer, that's the guy. Max Brosmer is the
one that's helping Kevin O'Connell say, no, we're not putting
this in the game on the call sheet this week,
the red pen goes to this play. All of those
things are handled differently when you're this starter than when
you're where he's been. Where it's you might get a
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rep here or there, but you're getting look team stuff.
You're staying after practice to work with Jordan Traylor and
just getting some work on your own. You have to
do a lot of self study. As the number two
or the number three. In the regular season, it works
differently than it does in training camp, where you're going
to get reps and you're going to get more coaching
devoted directly to you. In the season, it's about getting
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the number one quarterback and the number one offense ready
to play on Sunday. And if Max Brosmer is that guy,
that's getting those reps, which I have, like I say,
every reason to think he will. Yeah, that is going
to look a lot different than what he's had this season. Now,
Oh go ahead, Well, I was just curious. We've heard
it throughout the year. The coach has been challenging JJ McCarthy.
We've heard throughout the year, you know, challenging him to
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such a degree really that it's all on the plate.
So we're making checks, we're making adjustments at the line
pre snap into the act, you know, getting into the
right play. That does feel though in this instant like
that might be a little bit different, And I wonder
how the coach kind of handles, you know, I hate
to say handholding.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That sounds you know, pejorative.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Or negative, but I don't think so in this case,
just you know, trying to ease him into what is
a really massive spot with that defense and what lies
ahead with an eight and three Seahawks team.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And in a building that the Vikings, not last year, notwithstanding,
have not had a ton of success in over the years.
That is not an easy place to play out in Seattle.
So it's a team that's going to be fired up.
It's a team that is in the mix to go
to the playoffs. It's a team that's enjoying its new quarterbacks,
Sam Darnold. So there's going to be a lot going
into this one for Max Brozmer. Yeah, how much does
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he simplify things? I think you'll probably see. I mean
we saw I think a little bit of this on Sunday,
even in Green Bay. There were a lot more design runs.
I think some of that was saying, let's make this
a little easier for JJ McCarthy, let's build the run
game as more of a compliment. And they were able
to do some of that early that. I do think
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it simplified it. It made it more accessible for him.
I would I think I'd put it that way where
they were in better down and distant situations, he was
able to work off play action. I think they'll try
to do some of those same things for Max Brosmer
in terms of how much he's going in with canned
plays and you have package stuff that you can to
one thing if you don't like to look. I mean,
I would imagine they're still going to do a fair
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amount of that stuff. They have not wanted to pull
back on it. It'll be interesting to hear what Wes
Phillips has to say about it today as well. But
I think the key to it is finding enough plays
where it's not on the quarterback's shoulders to say I've
got to read things back to my third or fourth
option and buy some time if the pass rush is
getting to me. I think the number of times you
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can keep him from having to do that, it's helpful.
I think they were moving in that direction in Green Bay.
I would expect a little bit of that to continue
if in fact it's Max Brosmer on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
What triggered you or what intrigued you so to speak
with a Kurt Warner Yeah, podcast, I believe on ways
McCarthy can play faster.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, So Kurt Warner does these.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I mean there's a number of quarterbacks that do them,
but when Kurt Warner does one on the Vikings, I
typically try to watch because it's obviously a guy that
is an NFL Hall of Famer has a pretty remarkable
path from going from you like QB four to the
guy that kind of turned the NFL on its head
in nineteen ninety nine with the Rams and then goes
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to another Super Bowl with the Cardinals and came very
close to winning a Super Bowl with another team with
a second team in the NFC, if not for the
n Roethelisberger is Sanntonio Holmes catch in the back of
the end zone. I was gonna say Hein's word, but yes,
it was Santonio Holmes and the James Harrison before halftimes
Harrison before halftime. Yes, when Larry Fitzgerald split those safeties
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and it looked like, oh, the Cardinals are gonna win
this game. But so Warner is unique in the sense
that he's been at that level, but he takes the
time to do pretty detailed analysis of things, and it's
in with him because he's very opposed to pure progression.
Reads and the fightings you use a fair amount of this,
and he gets into a lot of this in the videos.
(15:07):
So it was interesting to watch it from that perspective
in terms of why he thinks pure progression is a
tough way to play sometimes because it does, in his view,
slow things down.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
So his input on that, I thought was fascinating.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And then he also got into a lot of the
detail about protection issues and just route running details that
could have helped JJ McCarthy out if people are taking
routes a little wider to gain leverage before breaking back in.
It's a lot of nuancee football stuff, but it's a
pretty good watch.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's about forty eight minutes.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Can you please define pure progression?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, So it's basically, rather than trying to read coverages
from you know, pre snap, you're starting from one side
and saying, okay, this is one, and then I'm going
one to two to three, and the reads are you
start from one side of the field and then you're
kind of going through the list of what is there,
and the routes are constructed in such a way that
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it should take you from you take your eyes from
one to two to three relatively easily. But I think
his point has been if you're trying to read all
the way across the field, it makes it harder to
play fast and get rid of the ball quickly. And
a lot of teams do this and you'll I think
you'll hear Kevin O'Connell talk about, you know, voids and vacancies,
and I think he in his mind it's an easier
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way to play because you're not saying, okay, what is
this team in I'm not having to look at Okay,
the safeties are Cover two versus Cover three or Cover four,
you know, the especially cover two versus Cover four in
terms of what the depths of the safeties are on
the wits.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, I'm not trying to do as much of that.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I'm I'm reading things out and saying where is their
space and I'm just throwing to that spot and O'Connell's
mind it should be a relatively easy way for quarterbacks
to play fast. But there's I think Warner has had
a little bit of a different viewpoint on this, and
and he wasn't raised in a pure progression world, so
I think there's a lot of things where he looks
at it and says, this is not something that worked
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for me necessarily. It's just it's a different you point
on the way this offense works that I thought was fascinating.
I'm glad I asked, well.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
It is, but it is fascinating where and Pa and
I were joking about it a week or two ago.
It's like, I wonder, you know, I wish someone would
do like a D line all twenty two yeah, and
start a podcast channel.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Everyone everyone's got big opinions on.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
The quarterbacks for the reason of course, but I've started
digging into some of these as well. I watched the
same video that you were talking about. I love Kurt's analysis.
I've watched J. T. O'Sullivan and the QB School, I
see Orlovsky on ESPN, and there's fifty other that we
could We could run down the list and name. What
makes it fascinating to me, though, is that I've seen
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multiple very different opinions either on what is wrong with
JJ McCarthy, what's potentially right. Sean Salisbury joins Barrero yesterday
and he thinks that there's too much focus on the
mechanics and actually let the kid just sling it, yeah,
and let them loose and just kind of simplify some things.
It sounded like, Yeah, and then that can work on
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the other side of it. If you let them loose
with the wide bass and the weird arm angle and
the shoulders, it's going to be nothing but a dumpster fire,
you know. And then in the end you just have
Ko and his pure progression system that some guys like
or don't like. It's just kind of fascinating now that
there is a massive spotlight.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
JJ McCarthy and Kevin O'Connell inherently that there's still it's
fifty different voices, thirty different opinions, and in the end,
six games that.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Have not looked good.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, and the thing we should add to this discussion
is that all of those voices, and I think a
lot of them, I mean, Warner says this a lot. J. T.
Sullivan will say this. You'll hear Peyton Manning say this.
They're not in the room. They're not privy to what
JJ McCarthy is being coached to do or has to
do directly. So all of this stuff we have to
take with a grain of salt. Nobody that is putting
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an opinion out online has the final say on this,
because none of us have all of the information we'd
need to make a definitive ruling on the this happened
and this should have happened instead. So all of this
we need to take it with a little bit of
a granted's all. I had somebody last night that responded
to me on Twitter. It's saying, hey, so what's the
summary of the day. I tweeted out a tease to
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the video and said, somebody goes well, so that must
mean it's O'Connell's fault, like, No, I'm not going there
because I said we should watch the video. Yeah, because
there's a lot more nuance, there's a lot more context.
There's a lot of times where I think the answer
to these things is well, it depends depends on the
coverage you get, It depends on the leverage that a
receiver has. You have to figure out what the right
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answer is in that particular situation on a down and distance,
what you need to do on a play. It's hard
to just paint with a broad brush and say, well,
this is the one problem or this is the one
thing he needs to do different Sometimes the solution is
different on different plays. And I think that's what makes
this job hard is you have to get to the
point where I've seen everything and I know how to
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answer all of these different problems I'm going to face.
And when you're twenty two, it's hard to have all
of these answers right away.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Special Teams Coordinator Matt Daniels, as we mentioned earlier, speaks today,
what was your read on the punt return gaff down
by the five? Well, I mean we've seen that happen
before where a guy is trying to keep the gunner
from getting to the ball, and that was I think
what Miles Price was trying to do. Obviously, he gets
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blocked into the ball and then it's a live ball
and they get it recovered. So again it's a judgment
call thing where you're trying to keep it from getting
pinned back on your one yard line, but then the
worst possible thing happens and you run. You end up
paying the price pardon the punt because of the turnovers.
So it's one of those where he probably should get
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away from the ball and try to just say, hey,
don't get anywhere near it.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
It's a live ball. You know.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
People have different code words they use for that. They'll
yell them. He could have done that. I think he
was trying to make a play that helped them out,
But in the end, the cost of what he tried
to do out wait any benefit that there might have
been from it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 6 (21:08):
So if Max Brosmer goes out and performs well, doesn't
that just make things kind of weirder?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Post Sunday Sunday afternoon. In terms of how you you
sum all this up?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I mean, you know, special teams he was mentioned it
just you know, there are so many things that we
could probably dig into.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
As part of a four win team.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah, but I but I just now for me, it's
it's it's always been about, for better or worse. If
the twenty two year old is healthy to play, Yeah,
he needs to get all these rests. I agree missed
too much time. A year ago, we got the ankle bit.
Now this concussion thing that sucks. I want to see
the kids so that the team can know. As you mentioned,
but now this undrafted cat rolls in. There's a little
local love because he was wearing maroon and.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Gold before purple and gold.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
He just goes out there and goes toe to toe
with Sammy.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
D out West on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
That's gonna make for very interesting talkers posts Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's gonna be fun if that happened, If he were
to go out and beat Sam Darnold, the discussion on
all of this is gonna get so tangled up that
it's just it's gonna be It's gonna be fun if it's.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
If you know, because O'Connell yesterday talked about I'm gonna
bring it up with him when he when he joins
here within a half hour.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So I'm gonna frame it up the right way.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You mentioned getting getting to attack mode yesterday, and clearly
that's been a calling card of O'Connell since he arrived.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yep, I'm asking him about some keys to returning to that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So say, say Brosemer play Sunday and it's just a
tack mode out of the gate with Jefferson, and like,
here's Jefferson for twenty six. Here's Addison, you know, with
some middle zone attacking thing that he just loved that
he brought from from Los Angeles. And here's Addison for
twenty four and attack mode is just the date.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I mean, what's that gonna be? Like?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, I mean, I would think it would be very
interesting to see what they would do. I would assume I.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Attack mode you think means the downfield passage, Yes, yeah,
And they like to play that way. They like to
look for chunks.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
That is different than some West Coast iterations of this
where they are thinking, let's chase the big play. I mean,
they want to push the ball downfield, which is not
always the way you see this offense run. So yeah,
if they get some of that, it would be I
think a shot in the arm. But yeah, then this
question of what do you do after that is going
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to come up and we're all going to talk about it.
I still think the final rendering on JJ McCarthy has
to be the most important thing they think about. If
Max Brosmer goes and plays that, well, it becomes a
much more complicated discussion. And I'm sure the local angle
has obviously influenced a lot of the discussion on Max
Brosmer to this point, and it will continue to do
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so if he goes out and does that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't I've seen Max Brosmer behind the scenes, either
here or a team hotels on the road. We ride
the same bus to the stadium since a few rows
behind me, I can't remember. It's it's I've seen this
more times than I have not. Him walking around. He's
not going to play, yeah, but he might play. He's
the backup right, walking around with like a laptop or
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some type of surface pro or whatever. They look at
and and he's like always has it with him and
always is looking at He's always looking at plays. And
I think he's the kind that can take on a
lot of that and not and I'm not saying remember
exactly everything, but not become overwhelmed with it.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I mean we heard him say that in the preseason
and the conversations I've had with him, and he's very sharp,
there's no doubt about that in terms of the understanding
of football and just understanding of the situation and the
context of what he's in. I don't think he'll be
overwhelmed by the complexities of the game plan, so that
probably will influence how much they feel like they can
put on him. Yeah, but yeah, he is not, and
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I think he's understood that when I come in as
an undrafted free agent, I come in as the developmental guy.
I have to do a lot of this pull myself
up by the boots drafts stuff because I'm not getting
the same investment that I would.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
If I was the tenth overall pick in the draft,
and that's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I think he understands that if you're going to survive
in the NFL in the way that he came into it,
because there are I mean everybody talks about Okay, it's
a meritocracy, Yes, but if you're a draft pick, you
get more resources and more benefit of the.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Doubt than you do where he came in.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, and guaranteed money plays a lot into this too,
So I think he's understood the context of it very
well and he's done everything he can.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
To put himself in the best possible situation.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Kind Of a weird or dumb question, how much do
you think it means for the rest of the team
just to feel some semblance of success. I mean, you
think about, you know, fresh off of fourteen, changing expectations,
raising the kid. You know, maybe at this stage of
the year there's biting the tongues and people that are
just happy to get big paychecks and not you know,
putting anything on anybody at this stage.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
But how important it would it be just.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
To feel like, Okay, yeah, that slammed across the middle.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
That does work.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
The tunnel screen it works, you know, just have some
moments of success, whether it's a win or a loss
on Sunday at Seattle, just to kind of feel like, oh, yeah,
that's right, you know, we're still pretty damn good at.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
This despite the negativity of the season.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
I think it would help a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I mean, I think if you're able to put drives
together and string plays together. We have not seen them
do a lot of that in the last three weeks,
and just that consistent level of success of hey it's
a first down here, oh we just got another one. Okay,
now it's second and three. Oh, now the first down,
and hey, we put a big play together, and we've
got a drive rolling, and now we're in the red zone,
and now we have a chance to finish this thing.
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That can kind of revive a team. It's not going
to mean six game win streak that gets them into
the playoffs necessarily, but I think just having that taste
of six that's that taste of something that's building momentum.
I mean, Kevin O'Connell talk momentum all the time. Momentum
matters in the terms of how fifty three guys think
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about their prospects for a season and what they're going
to put into it and.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Maybe momentum into the next season.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And so I think that stuff is useful.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean, you know it the momentum from season to season,
you see different examples of this. Does it apply or not?
I mean I can remember the Lions, well yeah, sure,
but I let that win at Lambeau at the end exactly.
That's a great point, and you can see times where
if you get hot and people start to buy in
a little bit, it can make a difference. Now there's
going to be enough changes to this roster that the
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continuity of one thing to the next is a little
harder to apply than our young Lions team what it
was full of draft picks. But I do think there's
value in trying to stir up some of those things
at this point, even if the playoffs are not going
to necessarily be where it goes.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Lastly from me, Seattle Seattle and the potential cat and
mouse game who knows more about whom and why Sam
with Flores defense or Flores with how Donald wants to play.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
When you think of.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
All that, well, I mean, I think there's going to
be quite a bit of that for both because they
saw each other a lot in training camp throughout the season.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Obviously they have.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know, in the preseason in training camp especially, there's
a lot of this We're trying to go at each
other and you're also trying to get your offense installed
and get your defense installed. But there are moments of
genuine competitions, so they have seen enough of those things.
I think Flores is going to have a good handle
on what Donald doesn't like. Certainly O'Connell is going to
have a good handle on what Donald doesn't like because
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he's coached him to try to beat it. So I
think all of that stuff plays into it. I it's
always this is always the question of who knows more
about whom. I think it's harder for one person to
have an entire summation of what a defense is going
to do then a group of coaches and a group
of people to have a summation of one person and
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what he likes or what he doesn't like. So I
think it probably plays in the Vikings advantage a little more,
especially probably having studied that Lions game and that Rams
game a million times throughout the course of the offseason,
they probably know the blitzes that got them beat, and
I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of those
same things coming at him on Sunday. So yeah, I
think it probably plays in the Vikings favor a little
(29:27):
bit more. But yeah, certainly, always a fascinating thing when
we come up to those moments we saw it with
Kirk Cousins last year too. And when you've practiced against
the team this much and this defense is as unique
is what the Vikings run, Darnald will have quite a
bit to go off of, and they'll have plenty to
go off of on him as well.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now Donald has fourteen gibs all right, ten interceptions, He's
lost four fumbles. The Seattle Seahawks have given the ball
away twenty times, second most in the NFL behind the
Minnesota Vikings. So with the uh with with Donald, I
like how you laid that out about you know, things
that they know have given problems, but see it it
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can be even like like.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Well forget Donald for a second.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Just in closing, would you say Seattle's offense with Jackson
Smith and jigba Aj Barner is getting better. Their lines
big and pretty good walker into charbonnay and so on.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Pretty good offense, right.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well it what what plays into this is kind of
like with McCarthy and and Patients required young hasn't seen
it working. Everything we've all talked about a million times.
I think it proves with Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator
for the Seattle Seahawks. Patients also was required with that,
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you know he now, like Grant Yudinsky, who was here,
he's the offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars and he
got that job at a very young age. He's super
well respected and his work with quarterbacks is well recognized.
Liam Cohen calls the plays. So that's cool for Yudinsky
and Jacksonville to.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Be raised that way.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
With Clint Kubiak in his truncated offensive coordinator stint here yes,
I think he did it with the Saints yep. And
now you know the Seahawks offense with ample skill position
guys and stuff like that. Yeah, Kubiak's calling good games. Yeah,
because he's doing a really good job up there. But
I mean a lot listening right now. A half decade ago,
(31:25):
I don't think that ever would have felt that would
be the case. But you have to be patient sometimes
in super hard jobs, whether you.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Want you or not.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Yeah, And I think the context probably matters. They're
a little bit too where. I think that last year
because he was the coordinator here in twenty one, which
was the last year of the old regime, and there
was a certain priority placed on one particular way of
going about things on offense.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Namely running the ball right.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And I do think, and having talked to play callers
about this over the years, I think when that was
the case and you knew that you needed to run
the ball regularly, it does change the way you call games.
So I think that probably played into a little bit
for him here. But yeah, he was young when he
got that job. People were very high on him. I
mean Kevin Stefanski used to talk about Clint Kubiak in
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as high as terms as you could. I mean, this
is back to when Kubiak was applying for like his
first job in the NFL. Stefanski was going to Leslie
Fraser saying, we have to hire this guy. He's he's
that sharp. And this was for like a wow, I'm
like a quality control job or he's talking like twelve
thirteen years ago, I mean very low level, like entry
level NFL job. Stefanski said, this has to be the
(32:35):
guy for this spot, and they had developed a relationship.
But he was as high on Clint Kubiak as you
could be, to the point where he was going to
Fraser and saying, I want to put my neck on
the line for this guy and I want him here.
So he's had a lot of people that are fans
of the way he goes about it. Certainly he learned
from his dad, who's one of the best to ever
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do it, and this offense that has kind of grown
around the NFL. His dad is one of the big
architects of why that's the way it is. The Kubiak
Shanahan type offense that you see everywhere. Gary Kubiak certainly
is a big part of the reason. It's a big
part of the reason it came here because Kevin Stefanski
wanted to bring all that stuff to Minnesota when he
became the coordinator. But yeah, so Clint Kubiak has had
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a lot of people that are high on the way
he does it, high on the way he thinks about offense,
and I think that's continued to give him more chances.
But yes, it certainly has paid off for them. Andrew Genoko,
the former quarterbacks coach here, is out there doing the
same thing and they've had a lot of success early.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
You know, they got Rick Dennison there too, the coordinator here.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Really, Yeah, he's the run game guy out in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Now. He's won multiple Super Bowls with the Denver Roncos.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
YEP yeah, that he was one of those guys that
Gary Kubiak brought in here, and then, yeah, that makes
sense all of those connections. People kind of hire the
people that they've connected with and worked with in the past,
so that makes sense. Well, we give thanks for being
able to connect with you each and every Tuesday, and
a very happy Thanksgiving to you, your wife Marissa and
the rest of your family. Enjoy Thursday and the rest
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
It's two in a row. And this is not a
good trend to see here.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Whether it was losing at the brink against Phoenix last week,
last Friday, and then yesterday, you know, staking it was
maybe a little more competitive than you would have liked
to see it, but still kind of the Wolves fending
them off and you get forty three or forty something
out of ant you dig that. But the Sacramento Kinks
(35:38):
forcing ot and finding their way into the winners circle
last night, this would be and you've chronicled it well, Pa,
just team winless against teams with winning records. Team is
dominating and undefeated against teams with losing records, while the five,
while the four and thirteen sacrament Kings are now five
(36:01):
and thirteen after winning last night, And it's it's just
a couple.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
In a row now.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
And you know I've mentioned it earlier. It's like you
got to just beat on the bad teams. Every win's
gonna matter in a weird West, and you'll find your
way through things against the OKCS. But now tomorrow night,
six thirty pm OKCE Minnesota Timberwolves need to need to
wipe this bad taste out of their mouths hopefully find
a way to beat the seventeen and one the thunder.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Fib top fairness and being tired act, I didn't see
last night's game. I was absolutely cooked at about nine
to fifteen, and that's when that's what I went to bed.
So I don't I'm not going to pretend I looked
at the box scorer, I read read a recapah, and
I know something.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
You know, some things win to miss.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
At the end, Malik Monk and DeMar Derozen had crackiced
to win the game.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
They missed it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Anthony had a crack to win the game, he missed it,
and then they lost in overtime. But I did watch
Friday and the loss of the Phoenix Sun. Yes, uh
that you know as early season losses go. That one
as a fan of the how that one frustrated me
greatly because the Timberwolves did what I've seen them do
a lot this year. They played in a way like
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we know we're gonna beat you whenever we put the
pedal to the medal and we want to beat you,
and they did it, and they look like, hey boy,
you guys, time nothing up nicely. I think they were
up eight points with a minute one or like a
minute to go up eight, and then they start throwing
the ball. You know, if the games in Phoenix, one
pass went to Scottsdale, the other pass went to Masa.
(37:35):
Then we got passes going to Glendale and they got
so sloppy at the end of the game. It just
it just proves that if you let up an ech
in this thing, Devin, when you have a team like
that is Devin Booker, that you better be careful. Even
though he fouled out. But nevertheless, the Suns have a
winning record, So I don't really know what went into
last night. Sacramento is kind of ratty, but they're gonna
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they're gonna get better. They were without some bonus, I
know that, but they're getting better with Doug Christie as
the coach. But it's frustrating now.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I don't know. Was it a look ahead to OKCE?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Was it in any way a look ahead to OKC
because that's the team that bounced us last year?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Did it with a plumb? I mean they were absolutely
the right side in that series, and they got pushed
more by the Indiana Pacers in the NBA Finals than
the Wolves push him in the Western Conference Finals. So
that was frustrating. I'm excited for tomorrow's game just to
kind of see where things stand. No, I'm with you there. Oh,
by the way, Finchy starts tomorrow's show at nine o'clock.
Chris Finch, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Nine to noon
(38:38):
tomorrow at nine.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Catching holiday strays of thanks as we entered the Thanksgiving season.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Monday night football, Niners beat the Panthers.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Panthers just can't they can't get offense going on a
regular enough basis with the defense that provided turnovers last night.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Brock Purty three three picks but still found his way
into the end zone. Christian McCaffrey got a score.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Kittle's hot right now on Jennings gets punched in the
swimsuit area as we would call it.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Is that what he did? Yeah, he got the Merrig thing.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Yeah, Merrig I think just absolutely straight up like kind
of look look like an again in the game uppercut,
Yeah wow, as a play was ending, and then that's
why he went after him after the game.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, Dwan Jennings, from what I've heard from from people
who either have played with him or know him quite well,
one of the last guys in the NFL that you
want to mess with because he's bigger and stronger than
people think as a wide receiver and he just hey,
he has the anchor jing and he's just a tough,
tough guy.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, don't.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Uh, well, frankly, just a general courtesy in the battle
or otherwise.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
How but you just not jab people in the in
the sack.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
I mean, that's that's probably just a right, a good
rule to live by in general, game or no game.
The Niners, though, are eight and four, and as they
they didn't look great, but they're finding their way to victory.
And that's kind of where I was going, I mean
down the stretch here. They're eight and four and in
the playoffs as of now, but they're at Cleveland. They
get a bye, then they get the Titans, Bears, and Seahawks.
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The finale at home. They do go to Indy. That's
gonna be a tough one. That's prime time as well.
But this schedule is laying out for an injured Niners team. Yeah,
that is strapping mac Jones out there and now perty's
throwing three picks, but they're getting by the bad Panthers.
Like this is a team that with Shanahan and company
maybe by nature of the schedule, but also getting healthy
at the right time. Like there, once again, you cannot
(40:28):
talk about the NFC playoffs and Rams and Eagles without
talking about Shanahan's Niners, Right.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
It just further person adviz why, like nine to Noon
started eight years ago, we call him next level Shanning.
He's just next level with a lot of different things.
With the way I mean, they don't you know, they
don't always get to where they thought they were going
to go injuries or not. But to not have Brandon Aiyuk, okay,
you can work around that. Then they lose George Kittle
(40:56):
for a large patch of games. Fred Warner is out
for the year. One of the best middle linebackers in
the NFL. Nick Bosa is out for the year, one
of the best pass rushers in the NFL. They let
Hufonga walk in the off season. He's helping some team
I can't remember which one might be Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos,
thank you. And he's really playing out of his mind
(41:16):
for that good Broncos defense. Whufonga though, But through it all,
they keep doing this and it personifies the age old cliche.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
It's either it doesn't matter how you get to the
winner circle. As long as you get there, we're all
getting our pictures taken. Or the mark of a good
team is one of the plays poorly and finds a
way to win. And it doesn't matter what the margin
of victory it is is it matters what goes in
the left column you start worrying about or thinking about
more style points or margin of victory or how you're
(41:47):
putting things together for the postseason after this upcoming Sunday.
That's why I said the best of the best ever
the best. They start taking off right now, either this
week or the next week after the Sunday games.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
It'd be interesting to watch.
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as nine to Noon does, and as we introduced you
as you were negotiating the hallways of Twin Cities Orthopedic
(00:50):
Performance Center, I think for the first time in the
history of nine to Noon and our friendship, I referenced
you as Benny G. Bettyg's coming up around the corner. A.
When's the last time somebody called you Benny G? And
b Does anybody call Ben Gesline either Benny or Benjamin?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
My grandparents used to call me Benjamin. I actually went
by Benjamin as a as a little kid, more so
than I.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I can't remember what age I switched to.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Ben but Benny G has not been when I've gotten
a ton I've heard it a few times in my life,
especially in the nineties during the height of the Kenny
G dynasty. Shall we say I got Benji some as
a kid Benji though, yeah, like, oh, it's.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Like the dog. So yes, this is uh.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
We get to go down the run of things that
people said to me in fourth grade to make fun
of me.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Whatever, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
For those of you who are making fun of me
in fourth grade, I appreciate you listening now because I
know some of you are.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I had nerd Quist a lot yes stuff and you know.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, see, we have names like he could be ben Benji,
Benny or Benjamin, and his name is Benjamin. Benjamin is
of the regal vers variety. Benjamin is a regal name.
Son of my right hand. Is the really the Old
Testament translation of the He's Eric, So he's he's Eric,
or he's em Paul. I guess I could be Paulie.
(02:13):
Paul Alien was what I was teased high school for
having one eyebrow. Then I made the mistake mistake of
shaving the middle of it and.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Messed it up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So thus, uh, I need to have it waxed every
so often.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's a really interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Story, you you this morning. At one time, Nordo, by
a caller John for Minneapolis, was referred to as Eric
nord Quick. Nord Quick, you're just calling him nord quick,
but to Paul.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
More like a speech impediment than an actual nickname. But
some you know, whether it's Benjamin's, you encounter Michael's, you
encounter Richard's, and it's actually like a serious thing, and
you know, whatever, it's your name, you just call you
what you want to be called, certainly, but it's like, no,
I'm not rich No, I'm not Mike, I'm Michael, right rich.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Ben Gasoline is a scribe covering a football team. Benjamin
Gasoline writes novels. Yeah, resides in Maine on the same
property as Stephen King.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
May maybe at some point in my life we'll put
the layers back on the end if I decide to
get more serious with my writing career.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Up there in Nordo's favorite town, Banger as in Banger
Main McCarthy concussion, McCarthy concussion. Rosmer gets a first team
reps unless JJ is cleared. Playing off the press conference
yesterday where Benjamin Gasline was peppering the head coach with questions,
So Frozemer plays Sunday, doesn't he?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I think?
Speaker 7 (03:40):
So?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
What leads you to that conclusion? You're the scribe, I'm
just the three chin to announcer.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think the fact that McCarthy's still in the concussion protocol.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
We don't know how quickly he'll come out of that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It will take at least a couple of days, meaning
tomorrow is the key to it in a lot of ways.
I think because if you're taking first team reps on Wednesday,
which is the big day of the week, especially Thursdays
on a little bit of a truncated schedule because of Thanksgiving.
I think if Brozmur is taking first team reps tomorrow,
which I have every indication to believe he will be, Yeah,
then you're getting the prep work, You're getting the game
(04:14):
plan built with you in mind. I think Brosmur is,
you know, barring some type of a quick return for
Jad McCarthy and and the concussion particle, I don't think
it would allow for him to come back that fast.
I think it's bros Mur that will get the reps,
which means it's it's going to be Brosmo that starts.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Have you done any hardcore All twenty two film watching
to determine exactly where the potential concussion symptoms originated.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I've just been going with.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
I assume that when he scrambled, did not slide, Yeah,
got smacked pretty good, sat there for about two real
time seconds with both of his hands, kind of just.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Up the fencing response as they call it.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
And he required it appeared a little assistance, a little
help from a friend to get off the turf. That
that might be the patient zero moment for him.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, I think that's it. There was one in the
third quarter.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think that Michael Parsons sacked him and he was
down for a second where the official kind of stood
over him and kind of did the hey are you
good check in. He came back after that, obviously with
the scramble it was five minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Actually got face masked on that play. If you watch
it from the end zone copy his face mask got
twist around as he's scrambling out and then gets hit
by Isaam McDuffie. And then yes, when you talk about
(05:22):
his hands being in the air, that is the thing
that I wonder about because that is the common involuntary response.
People call it a fencing responsor of facing pose. He
had a little bit of that, And I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a neurologist, so I can't say that for sure,
but from what I've learned from covering this and just
being a coach, that you go through concussion training protocol
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with the state High school league every year too, so
you see some of these things. That's I think he
threw his second pick on the very next Yeah, yeah,
that would be the one that I figured Hockkinson helped
him up pretty quickly too, so that would be my guess.
But yeah, there were a couple of times where he
got hit in the second half. Obviously got sacked five times,
so there were a couple of moments that may have
played into it. But the scramble in the fourth quarter
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would be the one where my mind.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Goes from lastly here, then we'll pause and we'll go
marathon with Ben Gesling from the start rebume after a
short pause from four and seven. From four and seven,
that's the record. How do you think they handle the
final six? It is knowing what they have for twenty
twenty six becoming an a topic.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I think it is. I mean, especially at the
quarterback position. I think that becomes the a topic because
you have to figure out where you're going to be at.
With JJ McCarthy, We'll see how long he takes to
come back from this concussion. You'll probably get a week
of Max Brosmer and then I would assume it goes
back to McCarthy, but they'll at least get a look
at Max Brosmer if in fact he's starting on Sunday.
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You have to figure this out, though, I mean, you
have to have a decent sense of where can the
quarterback position go? How do you build around it? I
think it's that, and then there are a lot of
players on the defensive side of the ball that you're
gonna have to make this on a couple of those
defensive tackles, I think there's going to be a lot
of questions about the secondary trying to figure out what
that looks like in twenty twenty six. So it does
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become about that, I think in a lot of ways,
because this is a team that's heading toward another very
pivotal offseason with a lot of draft picks and a
lot of salary cap decisions to make, so yes, I
do think that becomes a big part of what you
get out of these last six if the playoffs aren't going.
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Now back to just to land the plane in the
quarterback situation here, if Brozmer plays in what ways do
you think it will look different?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, I mean, the thing we saw in the preseason
that he did really well was playing with some anticipation,
throwing to spots where he expected guys to be, throwing
guys open in a sense. And now I hedge on
that a little bit, because you're not seeing any game
plan for you in the preseason. It's very basic coverage
is it's backups that you're playing against. So extrapolating what
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we see in the preseason and saying, oh, this is
exactly what he's going to do in the regular season,
I think can be a little bit of a jump sometimes.
So expecting that he's going to look exactly like he
did against the Titans in August is I probably a
little bit of a stretch. But if you get him
to transfer those things, that is helpful because we have
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seen times where JJ McCarthy needs to play faster and
needs to play with a little more anticipation. I think
if Brozmer can play fast, if you can get rid
of the ball, if you can make decisions quickly, especially
against the team that's going to throw a lot of
different blitzes, a lot of different looks. With Mike McDonald,
oh yeah, I think that would be certainly the most
helpful thing the Vikings could get out of him. We
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saw enough of it in the preseason. If he can
do it in a more realistic setting, I think that
certainly could be helpful.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Now I've heard and i've heard him say this, I'm
just preparing every day like I'm.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Going to be the starter.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, but that's not necessarily entirely accurate, at least from
the standpoint like he's spending a lot of time, whether
it's scout work and doing some other things throughout the
week to help get the team ready. So really, at
least as far as maybe you know, how much different
will it be with him getting all the one reps
probably tomorrow and if the kid's not cleared from concussion protocol,
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Really he's he's kind of thrust into that spot, and
it feels like a different week of prep for him.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's a lot different because now all of the resources
are devoted to you, the game plan is built with
your input. Hey, what do you like? What are you
comfortable with here? How do you feel about this rock concept?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You know, when Kevin O'Connell talks about the red pen meeting,
if we get to the end of the week and
as Max Brosmer, that's the guy. Max Brosmer is the
one that's helping Kevin O'Connell say, no, we're not putting
this in the game on the call sheet this week,
the red pen goes to this play. All of those
things are handled differently when you're this starter than when
you're where he's been. Where it's you might get a
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rep here or there, but you're getting look team stuff.
You're staying after practice to work with Jordan Traylor and
just getting some work on your own. You have to
do a lot of self study. As the number two
or the number three. In the regular season, it works
differently than it does in training camp, where you're going
to get reps and you're going to get more coaching
devoted directly to you. In the season, it's about getting
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the number one quarterback and the number one offense ready
to play on Sunday. And if Max Brosmer is that guy,
that's getting those reps, which I have, like I say,
every reason to think he will. Yeah, that is going
to look a lot different than what he's had this season. Now,
Oh go ahead, Well, I was just curious. We've heard
it throughout the year. The coach has been challenging JJ McCarthy.
We've heard throughout the year, you know, challenging him to
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such a degree really that it's all on the plate.
So we're making checks, we're making adjustments at the line
pre snap into the act, you know, getting into the
right play. That does feel though in this instant like
that might be a little bit different, And I wonder
how the coach kind of handles, you know, I hate
to say handholding.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That sounds you know, pejorative.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Or negative, but I don't think so in this case,
just you know, trying to ease him into what is
a really massive spot with that defense and what lies
ahead with an eight and three Seahawks team.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And in a building that the Vikings, not last year, notwithstanding,
have not had a ton of success in over the years.
That is not an easy place to play out in Seattle.
So it's a team that's going to be fired up.
It's a team that is in the mix to go
to the playoffs. It's a team that's enjoying its new quarterbacks,
Sam Darnold. So there's going to be a lot going
into this one for Max Brozmer. Yeah, how much does
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he simplify things? I think you'll probably see. I mean
we saw I think a little bit of this on Sunday,
even in Green Bay. There were a lot more design runs.
I think some of that was saying, let's make this
a little easier for JJ McCarthy, let's build the run
game as more of a compliment. And they were able
to do some of that early that. I do think
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it simplified it. It made it more accessible for him.
I would I think I'd put it that way where
they were in better down and distant situations, he was
able to work off play action. I think they'll try
to do some of those same things for Max Brosmer
in terms of how much he's going in with canned
plays and you have package stuff that you can to
one thing if you don't like to look. I mean,
I would imagine they're still going to do a fair
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amount of that stuff. They have not wanted to pull
back on it. It'll be interesting to hear what Wes
Phillips has to say about it today as well. But
I think the key to it is finding enough plays
where it's not on the quarterback's shoulders to say I've
got to read things back to my third or fourth
option and buy some time if the pass rush is
getting to me. I think the number of times you
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can keep him from having to do that, it's helpful.
I think they were moving in that direction in Green Bay.
I would expect a little bit of that to continue
if in fact it's Max Brosmer on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
What triggered you or what intrigued you so to speak
with a Kurt Warner Yeah, podcast, I believe on ways
McCarthy can play faster.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, So Kurt Warner does these.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I mean there's a number of quarterbacks that do them,
but when Kurt Warner does one on the Vikings, I
typically try to watch because it's obviously a guy that
is an NFL Hall of Famer has a pretty remarkable
path from going from you like QB four to the
guy that kind of turned the NFL on its head
in nineteen ninety nine with the Rams and then goes
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to another Super Bowl with the Cardinals and came very
close to winning a Super Bowl with another team with
a second team in the NFC, if not for the
n Roethelisberger is Sanntonio Holmes catch in the back of
the end zone. I was gonna say Hein's word, but yes,
it was Santonio Holmes and the James Harrison before halftimes
Harrison before halftime. Yes, when Larry Fitzgerald split those safeties
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and it looked like, oh, the Cardinals are gonna win
this game. But so Warner is unique in the sense
that he's been at that level, but he takes the
time to do pretty detailed analysis of things, and it's
in with him because he's very opposed to pure progression.
Reads and the fightings you use a fair amount of this,
and he gets into a lot of this in the videos.
(15:07):
So it was interesting to watch it from that perspective
in terms of why he thinks pure progression is a
tough way to play sometimes because it does, in his view,
slow things down.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
So his input on that, I thought was fascinating.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And then he also got into a lot of the
detail about protection issues and just route running details that
could have helped JJ McCarthy out if people are taking
routes a little wider to gain leverage before breaking back in.
It's a lot of nuancee football stuff, but it's a
pretty good watch.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's about forty eight minutes.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Can you please define pure progression?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, So it's basically, rather than trying to read coverages
from you know, pre snap, you're starting from one side
and saying, okay, this is one, and then I'm going
one to two to three, and the reads are you
start from one side of the field and then you're
kind of going through the list of what is there,
and the routes are constructed in such a way that
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it should take you from you take your eyes from
one to two to three relatively easily. But I think
his point has been if you're trying to read all
the way across the field, it makes it harder to
play fast and get rid of the ball quickly. And
a lot of teams do this and you'll I think
you'll hear Kevin O'Connell talk about, you know, voids and vacancies,
and I think he in his mind it's an easier
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way to play because you're not saying, okay, what is
this team in I'm not having to look at Okay,
the safeties are Cover two versus Cover three or Cover four,
you know, the especially cover two versus Cover four in
terms of what the depths of the safeties are on
the wits.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, I'm not trying to do as much of that.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I'm I'm reading things out and saying where is their
space and I'm just throwing to that spot and O'Connell's
mind it should be a relatively easy way for quarterbacks
to play fast. But there's I think Warner has had
a little bit of a different viewpoint on this, and
and he wasn't raised in a pure progression world, so
I think there's a lot of things where he looks
at it and says, this is not something that worked
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for me necessarily. It's just it's a different you point
on the way this offense works that I thought was fascinating.
I'm glad I asked, well.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
It is, but it is fascinating where and Pa and
I were joking about it a week or two ago.
It's like, I wonder, you know, I wish someone would
do like a D line all twenty two yeah, and
start a podcast channel.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Everyone everyone's got big opinions on.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
The quarterbacks for the reason of course, but I've started
digging into some of these as well. I watched the
same video that you were talking about. I love Kurt's analysis.
I've watched J. T. O'Sullivan and the QB School, I
see Orlovsky on ESPN, and there's fifty other that we
could We could run down the list and name. What
makes it fascinating to me, though, is that I've seen
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multiple very different opinions either on what is wrong with
JJ McCarthy, what's potentially right. Sean Salisbury joins Barrero yesterday
and he thinks that there's too much focus on the
mechanics and actually let the kid just sling it, yeah,
and let them loose and just kind of simplify some things.
It sounded like, Yeah, and then that can work on
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the other side of it. If you let them loose
with the wide bass and the weird arm angle and
the shoulders, it's going to be nothing but a dumpster fire,
you know. And then in the end you just have
Ko and his pure progression system that some guys like
or don't like. It's just kind of fascinating now that
there is a massive spotlight.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
JJ McCarthy and Kevin O'Connell inherently that there's still it's
fifty different voices, thirty different opinions, and in the end,
six games that.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Have not looked good.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, and the thing we should add to this discussion
is that all of those voices, and I think a
lot of them, I mean, Warner says this a lot. J. T.
Sullivan will say this. You'll hear Peyton Manning say this.
They're not in the room. They're not privy to what
JJ McCarthy is being coached to do or has to
do directly. So all of this stuff we have to
take with a grain of salt. Nobody that is putting
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an opinion out online has the final say on this,
because none of us have all of the information we'd
need to make a definitive ruling on the this happened
and this should have happened instead. So all of this
we need to take it with a little bit of
a granted's all. I had somebody last night that responded
to me on Twitter. It's saying, hey, so what's the
summary of the day. I tweeted out a tease to
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the video and said, somebody goes well, so that must
mean it's O'Connell's fault, like, No, I'm not going there
because I said we should watch the video. Yeah, because
there's a lot more nuance, there's a lot more context.
There's a lot of times where I think the answer
to these things is well, it depends depends on the
coverage you get, It depends on the leverage that a
receiver has. You have to figure out what the right
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answer is in that particular situation on a down and distance,
what you need to do on a play. It's hard
to just paint with a broad brush and say, well,
this is the one problem or this is the one
thing he needs to do different Sometimes the solution is
different on different plays. And I think that's what makes
this job hard is you have to get to the
point where I've seen everything and I know how to
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answer all of these different problems I'm going to face.
And when you're twenty two, it's hard to have all
of these answers right away.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Special Teams Coordinator Matt Daniels, as we mentioned earlier, speaks today,
what was your read on the punt return gaff down
by the five? Well, I mean we've seen that happen
before where a guy is trying to keep the gunner
from getting to the ball, and that was I think
what Miles Price was trying to do. Obviously, he gets
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blocked into the ball and then it's a live ball
and they get it recovered. So again it's a judgment
call thing where you're trying to keep it from getting
pinned back on your one yard line, but then the
worst possible thing happens and you run. You end up
paying the price pardon the punt because of the turnovers.
So it's one of those where he probably should get
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away from the ball and try to just say, hey,
don't get anywhere near it.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
It's a live ball. You know.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
People have different code words they use for that. They'll
yell them. He could have done that. I think he
was trying to make a play that helped them out,
But in the end, the cost of what he tried
to do out wait any benefit that there might have
been from it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 6 (21:08):
So if Max Brosmer goes out and performs well, doesn't
that just make things kind of weirder?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Post Sunday Sunday afternoon. In terms of how you you
sum all this up?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I mean, you know, special teams he was mentioned it
just you know, there are so many things that we
could probably dig into.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
As part of a four win team.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah, but I but I just now for me, it's
it's it's always been about, for better or worse. If
the twenty two year old is healthy to play, Yeah,
he needs to get all these rests. I agree missed
too much time. A year ago, we got the ankle bit.
Now this concussion thing that sucks. I want to see
the kids so that the team can know. As you mentioned,
but now this undrafted cat rolls in. There's a little
local love because he was wearing maroon and.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Gold before purple and gold.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
He just goes out there and goes toe to toe
with Sammy.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
D out West on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
That's gonna make for very interesting talkers posts Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's gonna be fun if that happened, If he were
to go out and beat Sam Darnold, the discussion on
all of this is gonna get so tangled up that
it's just it's gonna be It's gonna be fun if it's.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
If you know, because O'Connell yesterday talked about I'm gonna
bring it up with him when he when he joins
here within a half hour.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So I'm gonna frame it up the right way.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You mentioned getting getting to attack mode yesterday, and clearly
that's been a calling card of O'Connell since he arrived.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yep, I'm asking him about some keys to returning to that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So say, say Brosemer play Sunday and it's just a
tack mode out of the gate with Jefferson, and like,
here's Jefferson for twenty six. Here's Addison, you know, with
some middle zone attacking thing that he just loved that
he brought from from Los Angeles. And here's Addison for
twenty four and attack mode is just the date.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I mean, what's that gonna be? Like?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, I mean, I would think it would be very
interesting to see what they would do. I would assume I.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Attack mode you think means the downfield passage, Yes, yeah,
And they like to play that way. They like to
look for chunks.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
That is different than some West Coast iterations of this
where they are thinking, let's chase the big play. I mean,
they want to push the ball downfield, which is not
always the way you see this offense run. So yeah,
if they get some of that, it would be I
think a shot in the arm. But yeah, then this
question of what do you do after that is going
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to come up and we're all going to talk about it.
I still think the final rendering on JJ McCarthy has
to be the most important thing they think about. If
Max Brosmer goes and plays that, well, it becomes a
much more complicated discussion. And I'm sure the local angle
has obviously influenced a lot of the discussion on Max
Brosmer to this point, and it will continue to do
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so if he goes out and does that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't I've seen Max Brosmer behind the scenes, either
here or a team hotels on the road. We ride
the same bus to the stadium since a few rows
behind me, I can't remember. It's it's I've seen this
more times than I have not. Him walking around. He's
not going to play, yeah, but he might play. He's
the backup right, walking around with like a laptop or
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some type of surface pro or whatever. They look at
and and he's like always has it with him and
always is looking at He's always looking at plays. And
I think he's the kind that can take on a
lot of that and not and I'm not saying remember
exactly everything, but not become overwhelmed with it.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I mean we heard him say that in the preseason
and the conversations I've had with him, and he's very sharp,
there's no doubt about that in terms of the understanding
of football and just understanding of the situation and the
context of what he's in. I don't think he'll be
overwhelmed by the complexities of the game plan, so that
probably will influence how much they feel like they can
put on him. Yeah, but yeah, he is not, and
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I think he's understood that when I come in as
an undrafted free agent, I come in as the developmental guy.
I have to do a lot of this pull myself
up by the boots drafts stuff because I'm not getting
the same investment that I would.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
If I was the tenth overall pick in the draft,
and that's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I think he understands that if you're going to survive
in the NFL in the way that he came into it,
because there are I mean everybody talks about Okay, it's
a meritocracy, Yes, but if you're a draft pick, you
get more resources and more benefit of the.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Doubt than you do where he came in.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, and guaranteed money plays a lot into this too,
So I think he's understood the context of it very
well and he's done everything he can.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
To put himself in the best possible situation.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Kind Of a weird or dumb question, how much do
you think it means for the rest of the team
just to feel some semblance of success. I mean, you
think about, you know, fresh off of fourteen, changing expectations,
raising the kid. You know, maybe at this stage of
the year there's biting the tongues and people that are
just happy to get big paychecks and not you know,
putting anything on anybody at this stage.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
But how important it would it be just.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
To feel like, Okay, yeah, that slammed across the middle.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
That does work.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
The tunnel screen it works, you know, just have some
moments of success, whether it's a win or a loss
on Sunday at Seattle, just to kind of feel like, oh, yeah,
that's right, you know, we're still pretty damn good at.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
This despite the negativity of the season.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
I think it would help a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I mean, I think if you're able to put drives
together and string plays together. We have not seen them
do a lot of that in the last three weeks,
and just that consistent level of success of hey it's
a first down here, oh we just got another one. Okay,
now it's second and three. Oh, now the first down,
and hey, we put a big play together, and we've
got a drive rolling, and now we're in the red zone,
and now we have a chance to finish this thing.
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That can kind of revive a team. It's not going
to mean six game win streak that gets them into
the playoffs necessarily, but I think just having that taste
of six that's that taste of something that's building momentum.
I mean, Kevin O'Connell talk momentum all the time. Momentum
matters in the terms of how fifty three guys think
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about their prospects for a season and what they're going
to put into it and.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Maybe momentum into the next season.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And so I think that stuff is useful.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean, you know it the momentum from season to season,
you see different examples of this. Does it apply or not?
I mean I can remember the Lions, well yeah, sure,
but I let that win at Lambeau at the end exactly.
That's a great point, and you can see times where
if you get hot and people start to buy in
a little bit, it can make a difference. Now there's
going to be enough changes to this roster that the
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continuity of one thing to the next is a little
harder to apply than our young Lions team what it
was full of draft picks. But I do think there's
value in trying to stir up some of those things
at this point, even if the playoffs are not going
to necessarily be where it goes.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Lastly from me, Seattle Seattle and the potential cat and
mouse game who knows more about whom and why Sam
with Flores defense or Flores with how Donald wants to play.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
When you think of.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
All that, well, I mean, I think there's going to
be quite a bit of that for both because they
saw each other a lot in training camp throughout the season.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Obviously they have.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know, in the preseason in training camp especially, there's
a lot of this We're trying to go at each
other and you're also trying to get your offense installed
and get your defense installed. But there are moments of
genuine competitions, so they have seen enough of those things.
I think Flores is going to have a good handle
on what Donald doesn't like. Certainly O'Connell is going to
have a good handle on what Donald doesn't like because
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he's coached him to try to beat it. So I
think all of that stuff plays into it. I it's
always this is always the question of who knows more
about whom. I think it's harder for one person to
have an entire summation of what a defense is going
to do then a group of coaches and a group
of people to have a summation of one person and
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what he likes or what he doesn't like. So I
think it probably plays in the Vikings advantage a little more,
especially probably having studied that Lions game and that Rams
game a million times throughout the course of the offseason,
they probably know the blitzes that got them beat, and
I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of those
same things coming at him on Sunday. So yeah, I
think it probably plays in the Vikings favor a little
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bit more. But yeah, certainly, always a fascinating thing when
we come up to those moments we saw it with
Kirk Cousins last year too. And when you've practiced against
the team this much and this defense is as unique
is what the Vikings run, Darnald will have quite a
bit to go off of, and they'll have plenty to
go off of on him as well.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now Donald has fourteen gibs all right, ten interceptions, He's
lost four fumbles. The Seattle Seahawks have given the ball
away twenty times, second most in the NFL behind the
Minnesota Vikings. So with the uh with with Donald, I
like how you laid that out about you know, things
that they know have given problems, but see it it
(30:09):
can be even like like.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Well forget Donald for a second.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Just in closing, would you say Seattle's offense with Jackson
Smith and jigba Aj Barner is getting better. Their lines
big and pretty good walker into charbonnay and so on.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Pretty good offense, right.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well it what what plays into this is kind of
like with McCarthy and and Patients required young hasn't seen
it working. Everything we've all talked about a million times.
I think it proves with Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator
for the Seattle Seahawks. Patients also was required with that,
(30:44):
you know he now, like Grant Yudinsky, who was here,
he's the offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars and he
got that job at a very young age. He's super
well respected and his work with quarterbacks is well recognized.
Liam Cohen calls the plays. So that's cool for Yudinsky
and Jacksonville to.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Be raised that way.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
With Clint Kubiak in his truncated offensive coordinator stint here yes,
I think he did it with the Saints yep. And
now you know the Seahawks offense with ample skill position
guys and stuff like that. Yeah, Kubiak's calling good games. Yeah,
because he's doing a really good job up there. But
I mean a lot listening right now. A half decade ago,
(31:25):
I don't think that ever would have felt that would
be the case. But you have to be patient sometimes
in super hard jobs, whether you.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Want you or not.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Yeah, And I think the context probably matters. They're
a little bit too where. I think that last year
because he was the coordinator here in twenty one, which
was the last year of the old regime, and there
was a certain priority placed on one particular way of
going about things on offense.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Namely running the ball right.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And I do think, and having talked to play callers
about this over the years, I think when that was
the case and you knew that you needed to run
the ball regularly, it does change the way you call games.
So I think that probably played into a little bit
for him here. But yeah, he was young when he
got that job. People were very high on him. I
mean Kevin Stefanski used to talk about Clint Kubiak in
(32:13):
as high as terms as you could. I mean, this
is back to when Kubiak was applying for like his
first job in the NFL. Stefanski was going to Leslie
Fraser saying, we have to hire this guy. He's he's
that sharp. And this was for like a wow, I'm
like a quality control job or he's talking like twelve
thirteen years ago, I mean very low level, like entry
level NFL job. Stefanski said, this has to be the
(32:35):
guy for this spot, and they had developed a relationship.
But he was as high on Clint Kubiak as you
could be, to the point where he was going to
Fraser and saying, I want to put my neck on
the line for this guy and I want him here.
So he's had a lot of people that are fans
of the way he goes about it. Certainly he learned
from his dad, who's one of the best to ever
(32:55):
do it, and this offense that has kind of grown
around the NFL. His dad is one of the big
architects of why that's the way it is. The Kubiak
Shanahan type offense that you see everywhere. Gary Kubiak certainly
is a big part of the reason. It's a big
part of the reason it came here because Kevin Stefanski
wanted to bring all that stuff to Minnesota when he
became the coordinator. But yeah, so Clint Kubiak has had
(33:16):
a lot of people that are high on the way
he does it, high on the way he thinks about offense,
and I think that's continued to give him more chances.
But yes, it certainly has paid off for them. Andrew Genoko,
the former quarterbacks coach here, is out there doing the
same thing and they've had a lot of success early.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
You know, they got Rick Dennison there too, the coordinator here.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Really, Yeah, he's the run game guy out in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Now. He's won multiple Super Bowls with the Denver Roncos.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
YEP yeah, that he was one of those guys that
Gary Kubiak brought in here, and then, yeah, that makes
sense all of those connections. People kind of hire the
people that they've connected with and worked with in the past,
so that makes sense. Well, we give thanks for being
able to connect with you each and every Tuesday, and
a very happy Thanksgiving to you, your wife Marissa and
the rest of your family. Enjoy Thursday and the rest
(34:03):
of the week, and we'll see out in the Cappuccino
Capital on Sunday. I appreciate it, guys. Thanks Happy Thanksgiving
to you and yours as well.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
It's two in a row. And this is not a
good trend to see here.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Whether it was losing at the brink against Phoenix last week,
last Friday, and then yesterday, you know, staking it was
maybe a little more competitive than you would have liked
to see it, but still kind of the Wolves fending
them off and you get forty three or forty something
out of ant you dig that. But the Sacramento Kinks
(35:38):
forcing ot and finding their way into the winners circle
last night, this would be and you've chronicled it well, Pa,
just team winless against teams with winning records. Team is
dominating and undefeated against teams with losing records, while the five,
while the four and thirteen sacrament Kings are now five
(36:01):
and thirteen after winning last night, And it's it's just
a couple.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
In a row now.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
And you know I've mentioned it earlier. It's like you
got to just beat on the bad teams. Every win's
gonna matter in a weird West, and you'll find your
way through things against the OKCS. But now tomorrow night,
six thirty pm OKCE Minnesota Timberwolves need to need to
wipe this bad taste out of their mouths hopefully find
a way to beat the seventeen and one the thunder.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Fib top fairness and being tired act, I didn't see
last night's game. I was absolutely cooked at about nine
to fifteen, and that's when that's what I went to bed.
So I don't I'm not going to pretend I looked
at the box scorer, I read read a recapah, and
I know something.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
You know, some things win to miss.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
At the end, Malik Monk and DeMar Derozen had crackiced
to win the game.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
They missed it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Anthony had a crack to win the game, he missed it,
and then they lost in overtime. But I did watch
Friday and the loss of the Phoenix Sun. Yes, uh
that you know as early season losses go. That one
as a fan of the how that one frustrated me
greatly because the Timberwolves did what I've seen them do
a lot this year. They played in a way like
(37:13):
we know we're gonna beat you whenever we put the
pedal to the medal and we want to beat you,
and they did it, and they look like, hey boy,
you guys, time nothing up nicely. I think they were
up eight points with a minute one or like a
minute to go up eight, and then they start throwing
the ball. You know, if the games in Phoenix, one
pass went to Scottsdale, the other pass went to Masa.
(37:35):
Then we got passes going to Glendale and they got
so sloppy at the end of the game. It just
it just proves that if you let up an ech
in this thing, Devin, when you have a team like
that is Devin Booker, that you better be careful. Even
though he fouled out. But nevertheless, the Suns have a
winning record, So I don't really know what went into
last night. Sacramento is kind of ratty, but they're gonna
(37:57):
they're gonna get better. They were without some bonus, I
know that, but they're getting better with Doug Christie as
the coach. But it's frustrating now.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I don't know. Was it a look ahead to OKCE?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Was it in any way a look ahead to OKC
because that's the team that bounced us last year?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Did it with a plumb? I mean they were absolutely
the right side in that series, and they got pushed
more by the Indiana Pacers in the NBA Finals than
the Wolves push him in the Western Conference Finals. So
that was frustrating. I'm excited for tomorrow's game just to
kind of see where things stand. No, I'm with you there. Oh,
by the way, Finchy starts tomorrow's show at nine o'clock.
Chris Finch, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Nine to noon
(38:38):
tomorrow at nine.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Catching holiday strays of thanks as we entered the Thanksgiving season.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Monday night football, Niners beat the Panthers.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Panthers just can't they can't get offense going on a
regular enough basis with the defense that provided turnovers last night.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Brock Purty three three picks but still found his way
into the end zone. Christian McCaffrey got a score.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Kittle's hot right now on Jennings gets punched in the
swimsuit area as we would call it.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Is that what he did? Yeah, he got the Merrig thing.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Yeah, Merrig I think just absolutely straight up like kind
of look look like an again in the game uppercut,
Yeah wow, as a play was ending, and then that's
why he went after him after the game.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, Dwan Jennings, from what I've heard from from people
who either have played with him or know him quite well,
one of the last guys in the NFL that you
want to mess with because he's bigger and stronger than
people think as a wide receiver and he just hey,
he has the anchor jing and he's just a tough,
tough guy.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, don't.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Uh, well, frankly, just a general courtesy in the battle
or otherwise.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
How but you just not jab people in the in
the sack.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
I mean, that's that's probably just a right, a good
rule to live by in general, game or no game.
The Niners, though, are eight and four, and as they
they didn't look great, but they're finding their way to victory.
And that's kind of where I was going, I mean
down the stretch here. They're eight and four and in
the playoffs as of now, but they're at Cleveland. They
get a bye, then they get the Titans, Bears, and Seahawks.
(40:06):
The finale at home. They do go to Indy. That's
gonna be a tough one. That's prime time as well.
But this schedule is laying out for an injured Niners team. Yeah,
that is strapping mac Jones out there and now perty's
throwing three picks, but they're getting by the bad Panthers.
Like this is a team that with Shanahan and company
maybe by nature of the schedule, but also getting healthy
at the right time. Like there, once again, you cannot
(40:28):
talk about the NFC playoffs and Rams and Eagles without
talking about Shanahan's Niners, Right.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
It just further person adviz why, like nine to Noon
started eight years ago, we call him next level Shanning.
He's just next level with a lot of different things.
With the way I mean, they don't you know, they
don't always get to where they thought they were going
to go injuries or not. But to not have Brandon Aiyuk, okay,
you can work around that. Then they lose George Kittle
(40:56):
for a large patch of games. Fred Warner is out
for the year. One of the best middle linebackers in
the NFL. Nick Bosa is out for the year, one
of the best pass rushers in the NFL. They let
Hufonga walk in the off season. He's helping some team
I can't remember which one might be Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos,
thank you. And he's really playing out of his mind
(41:16):
for that good Broncos defense. Whufonga though, But through it all,
they keep doing this and it personifies the age old cliche.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
It's either it doesn't matter how you get to the
winner circle. As long as you get there, we're all
getting our pictures taken. Or the mark of a good
team is one of the plays poorly and finds a
way to win. And it doesn't matter what the margin
of victory it is is it matters what goes in
the left column you start worrying about or thinking about
more style points or margin of victory or how you're
(41:47):
putting things together for the postseason after this upcoming Sunday.
That's why I said the best of the best ever
the best. They start taking off right now, either this
week or the next week after the Sunday games.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
It'd be interesting to watch.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
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Speaker 4 (42:11):
We do have the head coach.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
We're expecting Kevin O'Connell around the corner the live edition
each and every week here at TCO and we'll get
all his thoughts on the state of the team as
they head to Seattle. But additionally, each week we do
a talkback of the day that we play for the
coach and have received some, but I would I would
like to get some more. Might you say that I
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