October 24, 2025 • 34 mins
PA joins the show for the last hour to recap the Vikings game vs the Chargers, then he gives his thoughts on the Gimbaling Sandal that invalid Chauncey Billups and Terry Rozier.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
At all Bros.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Merges av Or Scott on a gun run, heads to
the right, slide across the line of scrimmage of the
thirty five and he'll evill bounce off a charger nicely.
That's a game of ten yards and the Vikings first down.
We're now down to ten seconds to go in the game,
and that's going to be as the Vikings won't run
another play.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
They're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hoist the white flag and the LA Chargers improved to
five and three. The Minnesota Vikings drop to three and
four after losing thirty seven ten to the LA Chargers.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That from last night at SOFI Stadium in Los Angeles,
that voice, yeah, should be familiar. It's the host tonight
in noon and he has found his way into the
familiar confines of the six five to one carpets plus studios.
How is the travel back then?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That that that end game highlight was like me asking
you saying, well, you talk dirty to me and then
you play something like that. I mean, because that that
was just it was a dirty situation last night from
all angles. And you know when when you you endure
a season through through seven games and this is this
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is en route to becoming a bastard season. I mean,
this thing is bastardized at this stage of the equation.
Now they're going to get some people back for the
for the Lions game, but they're going to get some
people back for the Lions game.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's still the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
But the the bastardization of the the awkward nature of
this twenty twenty five Minnesota Viking season took a turn
last night where each and every game things are taking
a turn, and where I just and you know, this
doesn't mean like I'm new Rockney elite football mine, but
I mean I see coming zero. I mean it's it
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was Kamani Vidal last night. Yep. And Trey Harris had
his first receiving touchdown. All right, he's a rookie and
maybe they'll like him. But Kamani Vidal, the Troy State
running back going for one seventeen a week after you
you hold Saquon Barkley's overall game to what you hold
it to, but then two receivers get lose for more
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than one hundred and that is a game removed from
Cleveland almost beating you and Judkins putting up good numbers.
But he's supposed to do that. And then you get
back to Kenneth Gainwell. Kenneth Gainwell, I think he went
for one fourteen on the ground or something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It was ninety nine, but it was. It was Daggers
all day.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It was the best game of his career, yes, And
it was the best game of Commani Vidal's career. And
it was the best game of this guy's career. And
first time Jalen Hurts has done this, and for time
this guy has done that. It's just a lot of
firsts are flying in the face of the Vikings right now,
and you know they're not the first to endure things
like this. However, there they can't stop so much right now.
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They can't get out of their own way with the
running game, no matter what iteration of the offensive line
is being used. They can't get themselves to take Carson
Wentz out of the game when he's grimacing and wincing,
and of course he's going to say, yes, I want
to stay in the game, because that's how all of
them are wired, right, And they can't get themselves to
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do it. They can't get themselves to stop the pass
and then somebody run then uh, then they stop the
pass and somebody runs on them for large chunks, and
you know, it's it's the weaving trick up the middle
bye by the Patterson cat who just came up off
the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And I'm Herbert.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Herbert's a really, really good runner, and and we all
knew that into the game. And you know, fantasy football people,
I'm sure you know look at his numbers and follow
it rather closely. But it's the way he sets up
the run. All right, well, you got us, Okay, you
got us. Hey, that was nice too, But then the
next six you're supposed to stop. The doll weaves his
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way for three yards, but then it ends up being
eight or it ends up being eleven. All right, cool,
you get to make place too. Hey, that was a
good one too. But the next six we stop. That's
just none of that is happening. And it's just it's
it's malfunction junction all.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Over the place for the football team right now.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And and you know, I heard you say something on
fan line last night while I was sitting on the
bus waiting to go to the airport, and I think
you phrased it like Kevin O'Connell for the first time
in his career.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Here is facing true adversity. And you said it like that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Right, yeah, yeah, And I acknowledge significant adversity is twenty
twenty three, and I know what that was, but it's
just different. I think you're right, this is an entirely
different universe man with everything to build up and then
now what you're seeing here, I mean, I just picture it.
How excited this coach has been and all the ups
and downs, the initial injury with McCarthy, but how excited
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he was to unveil the tenth overall pick and put
McCarthy in that spot Monday night at Soldier Field, with
the work that they did to compliment him front side
of the O line. We talked about that, Hargrave and Allen,
all the new faces as AA Rodgers. We get all
the bits how excited he was and what that looked like,
what that felt like all through camp and trials and tribulations,
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to be certain, But now seven games into it, sixteen seventeen,
combinations of the offensive line, people wondering when Van Ginkle's
next going to be okay, the injuries and other spots,
are we getting enough out of that defensive interior at
this stage, the seventeenth overall pick from a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
In compliment to the pass rush, Grenard working harder than
he's ever worked before. It feels like in his life,
I mean, how good has he been? And what kind
of mountains is this cat climbing on?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Just to replicate some of the pressure in the force
he provided a year ago. Man, And and just nothing
is working right now? And uh, And I just yes,
that's that's how I framed it up for the first
time in his coaching career.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Pa.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I just I'm seeing the coach deal with some of
the nastiest adversity and and and and just kind of
how he deals with that, not just it coming back
from LA last night, but moving forward, Man, the schedule
does not get any.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Easier, right, But it's it's such a wide ranging situation
due to the injuries, that when you feel you have
something squared away, and that this is just the the
announcer talking viewing it from afar, certainly not talking for
the coach or the team. But when when you when
you feel you get something going your way, something else
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goes wrong. And it doesn't go wrong in small or
moderate fashion. It's floodgates open, and it's hired women and children,
and it's for long periods of games. You know, I
don't know how often we've heard Kevin after games say
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that I did not have the team prepared, all right,
And I'm not going to go through all the postgame
press conferences after losses like like the Dallas loss I
think it was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They lose like forty to three.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Oh yeah, Tony Pollard, though it would have been like
something like a game like that, You know that that's
where you would hear things like that.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But it's it's you know.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We we we adore and respect and at least I
and I think you too, are happy that Kevin O'Connell's
head coach of the Minnesota Vikings because of openness and
vulnerability like that. But you can't play that card too often, okay,
And he played it last night. Now he I'm not
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going to say whether he had them prepared or not.
And I know, over the course of time, coaches will
say things like that so that they take the hits
and they take the arrows and keep them away from
their assistant coaches and or players. But you whether you
just got an extended deal worth how much ever money?
(08:18):
Who cares. You can't play that card frequently because it
starts to resonate with the team. Yeah, Now, there are
a lot of things resonating with the fan base. And
if you say I didn't have the team prepared properly
for this game, you know, whether it's fan line or
whether it's six or six eight six, you may get
some people coming in saying, well, what does that mean?
(08:40):
Why this is what your job is to do? You
say they weren't prepared and they got killed?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All right?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You know again, just think about that. You can't do
that many times. And he played that yesterday. Now see
that's born of desperation. That's born of not dart throwing
because they put too much time into it. It's born
of I understand how much pain the quarterback was in.
The other guy has taken zero reps with the first
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team for X amount of weeks. And by the way,
you know, do I slash do I want to or
do you want to see this other quarterback with what
we're seeing now, with everything that's around us. And it's
not even a true situation for Brozmer because when you're
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down multiple scores, three scores or more, you're not gonna run.
I mean, it's the coaches just don't say, like, all right,
well we're down twenty one points and they're ten minutes
to go, so we're just gonna throw the game away
and we're gonna put Aaron Jones back in, and we're
gonna see if Darisahl wants to come back in, and
we're just gonna play it with a run like a
normal running game. Out of the first quarter, set up
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the pass, set up the play action, all of that
that there's not There wasn't really much benefit to that
last evening outside of the self preservation of the quarterback.
And I do think that that is fair for Carl
talking about Carson Wentz and the clear pain that he
was in. But they're they're not even scoring touchdowns, right,
That's how bastard this thing is. Right now, Addison got loose,
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okay for the only touchdown, but Isaiah Rodgers touchdown. No
it's not Jordan Mason ooh out at the wand no
touchdown Hockinson. Wow, how about this? No not a touchdown.
I mean, that's not even going right right now. It's
just it's multifaceted. Uh, it's it's a complete malfunction right now.
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And I know Riker, you know, barely ever misses. Ryan
Wright's having the best season of his career. There are
good things that you can find. So it's not like
going starting with Ivan pay Junior down to Elijah Williams
and saying l l l l l l l L.
It's not like that. But in the Ultimate team Game,
when when one, two, three, four or five fail, they
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all fail, and you know, it's like Mittellis has two
interceptions this year. Okay, now, Jalen Redmond, now you know,
like watch it's been a bright spot. Well, if we
were to watch back everything Jalen Redman has done, we
probably will see him whip on some tackles. We probably
will see him slip sometime or take a bad angle
on somebody, you know, over the course of X amount
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of plays during the course of the year. But yeah,
that's that sticks out as something in the Ultimate Team
game that is working quite well.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You know when I say on the broadcast like I
did last night several times, Jalen Redman is this team's
best defensive lineman. We're not supposed to say that, and
really we're not. With all due respect to Jail and
I'm quite fond of him too, and I love his
story and coming out of nowhere he at a blood
cloud issue. Those whole career looked like it was over.
Now look at him, I mean, look at him. He
leads the team in sacks and he's better than Jay
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Von Hargrave and Jonathan Allen.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
He's all effort and energy.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
So when, like you said, you know, last night, it
r with me when I was listening to fanline that
this is the first true adversity Kevin O'Connell has faced.
And I agree with you because with with Cousins going
down at Lambeau and then you trade for Dobbs and
then you try Jaron Hall and you know Mullins can
go for four hundred, but he might throw it away
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at the end of the game. That that that whole
thing right there, Four quarterbacks for an offensive mind to coach.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
That's not preferred. But nevertheless, there were moments that looked
like what we come to expect with this regime. It's
I said it last week and there's nothing from last
night outside of the fourth quarter at Soldier Field well,
I said it, yeah last week to you outside of
the fourth quarter at Soldier Field, the the aberration that
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was the Bengals game. Beating the Bengals is not of
the aberration variety. The whole game was an aberration when
it turns out like that. So that so fourth quarter
Soldier Field Cincinnati game and the Addison drive at Tottenham Hotspur,
that's it. That's it, that right there where it's Does
it have to be exactly like last year? No, but
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last year things would be stuck and punt and then
oh wow, that was close.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Now they're punting.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Hey, now we're punting back and forth a little bit,
you know, like boxers feeling out each other in the
early rounds. And then Van Ginkole would pick off a
pass and get to the house, or Grenard would get
a tackle for loss on third and one and they
would be punting and the crowd would go nuts. Or
Jefferson would be running free between the hash marks, and
Addison would be scoring ten touchdowns and nail Or would
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e merge with a bunch of touchdowns early in the season,
while you know, while they waited for a receiver.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
There's just none of that.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
So that is that I think plays into and then
the coach puts the bow on what you said before
you said it when he said I did not have
the team prepared. So it's it's I mean, it's a
bastard season. It's just abnormal from what we're used to.
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And I think more goes into it than just not
you know, being able to use McCarthy or not having
Van Gang call. I just think there's more to it
when something like last night happens. And I don't exactly
know what that more would be, but when you get
run on the way they got run on last night
by that Chargers team, and they got Joe Alt back
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and that helped. Joe's really really good. But they had
replacements of right guard and the right tackle started like
three games. So I mean, it's not like the Manhattan
Beach Moving Company is making the old school Dallas Cowboys
with Larry Allen Blush. Tackling and physicality, I think we're
an issue last night, and physicality was a major issue
in the Falcons game. Yes it was, I mean where
the Falcons came out and just started punching, all right.
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So but see there was a correction the next week.
It was the Bengals who got punched and punched and
waylaid and roundhouses and uppercuts and down goes Cincinnati. It's
we're getting punched and either not throwing that, not throwing
punches back, or they're missing. And it's just very sullen
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right now, it.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is, and so many angles playing into this. I agree
it goes beyond just I mean, I'm watching Wentz getting
peeled off the turf last night, and I'm just thinking
it's time for this experience to end for him. He's
an ironman, coveing and collapse like loving the warrior that
he has been. But my goodness, for his own sake,
we need to save him from himself here.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I'm I'm and quite honestly and again not I'm not,
certainly not speaking for anybody involved with this team. This
is my opinion and it involves somebody of whom I'm
very fond.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I'm shocked that at some point of the fourth Quartermax
Brosmer didn't come into the game.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm shocked as well, and it's because they they every
you know, every blade of grass, and we've got to
take every single inch we can get that mentality is
age old in the National Football League, and perhaps perhaps
it has to be that way or you lose your
edge and you get hurt or you get bludgeoned.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But it's you know, you probably saw more on television
than I did. But I mean, I have my binoculars
on Wentz a lot when he threw his helmet.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But you needed your buyeos from the freaking parking lot
you're trying to call the game for.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
SOFI is quickly becoming one of my least favorite places
to call games. But there are other reasons for that.
But nevertheless it and all the action was on the
other side of the field.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But that's cool.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But it's just for self preservation of the man, you
know where after the game when when O'Connell's asked about McCarthy,
same answer from Kevin. We want to play him, we
like him, and we want we want to have him
get a full week of practice. You know that that's
not only important to Kevin, but a lot of teams
when it comes to the quarterback they're going to use
is getting them together with the first team and having
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a full week of practice. And you know, with with
Max Brosmer, that's not the case, and it's never the case.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Shanahan, by the way, is a quick aside doing the
exact same thing with Perdy and the tow out in
the bay right now, what's that name. Well, it's been
a lot of people thinking Perdy can go out there
trials and tribulations with Max Jones. But Perdy can probably
go and Shanahan very committed to he's going to be
back on the field when he's one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, but see that they're there.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Also is is discretion being the better part of valor
where you may recognize we're not going to and they
never want to think this or say this, we're not
going to win this game, and this guy's arm might
fall off. So we know Max hasn't done anything with
anybody who's in the game or whatever, you know, outside
of the Scout team. But he just has to go
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out there and hand it off for the next forty
five minutes of real time life or throw some shorties
to Xavi or Scott or whatever, just so we can
get out of this. Because and now from a Carson
Wentz standpoint, I mean, Carson has been so much better
during his career when he's had an opportunity to start
than he has been of late. Yes, why find myself
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feeling bad for him? Because what's he going to do?
Say no, I don't want to play now. There are
some who there are some who do that, and there
are some who will do that. But there are some
who do that. There are believe it or not, at
the professional level making a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He's not one of them. No, So he's never going
to pull himself out.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Never.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
But it's he there's so much better to his game.
And then if he watches it back, he must be
looking at that person is saying, hey, this is Halloween.
This is Spurgeon win or Josh Dobbs in a Carson
Wentz outfit. Haha, that's not funny on Halloween because he's
not anything requisite to who he's been. He didn't run
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last night. I don't think he ran last night. And
part of Carson's game is running for first downs or
you know, running to if they're in man defense. And
they turned they turned their back on you run on them.
So now they start doing things more the way you
want them done. But you know, there were just two
things that really hit me hard after the game last night.
One sitting in that press conference room, I was next
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to guestline, right behind Alec. And you know, when Kevin said, well,
there's not really much to talk about here, but I
didn't have the team prepared for the game, I can't
say I've ever heard him say that. And then listening
to fanline, you saying that this is the first true
adversity that you felt he was facing. And I'm not
saying I thought it was hyperbolic, but it caused me
to think some things out a little bit. And and
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because they because the the bastard nature of things is
so wide ranging, whether it's mistackles or like like we
said earlier, got the run defense squared away. Now everybody's
going for one hundred over the top of trying to
run the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What do we have? How many runs in the first half? Five? Five?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Okay, well, yeah, I mean it's that that number, obviously,
no matter the game shape, is ridiculously low. But I
would counter with, well, did you see the runs and
did you see you know, like the blocks for them.
Did you see anybody get to the next level the
linebackers or the safeties pick somebody off and give somebody
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a chance. It just wasn't working. It just wasn't working, Okay,
So then maybe we'll just keep doing it, keep doing it,
and keep doing it and keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I'm going to keep banging my head against the wall,
thinking that the different thought's going to come into my
mind the more I do it. So I'm not I'm
not like mad at that, because if you get mad
at that, I got about eight other things nobody's talking
about that you need to be mad at too. It's
just mad at it, that's what it is. It's just
so off right now. It is that they need some
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time off and they'll come back get some players back
into play the Lions.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Speaking of time off, let's pause. But you triggered something
in my head in terms of thanks for letting me
talk that out.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
By the way, Oh that's perfect man.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'm just glad to see you and I hope you
got a couple hours of sleep and just getting your
perspective on. I mean, it was an unmitigated disaster last night,
and but you triggered something now as you were talking
that I want to hit you with when we return. Uh,
Devon's got the cash thing. We're gonna pause, come back
and just continue to work our way through this and
you see some talkbacks. As I mentioned earlier, maybe I'll
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open the segment with UH, but continuing to UH, to
lay this all out before we turn the page and
open up on a Monday, trying to figure out are
we going to beat them? Kiddies looking forward to it?
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Speaker 4 (22:00):
Hey, when you hit me yesterday with what was transpiring
with Chauncey Billips and Terry Rochier and Damon Jones and everything,
I had just in walking down from my room to
the team meal area, efforting coffee and trying to find
a spot at the where we stayed, the JW Marriott
La Live. It's absolutely, I think the biggest hotel you
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know that that A I've ever stayed at, or B
the teams ever stayed at. So it was a hall
to get to places. That's why I was a couple
of minutes late. But when I went in there and
I saw in the crawl, I'm like, what in the
heck is this? Okay, here's the con I got to
run outside.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, it was very new to you. What I mentioned
that t yesterday, I had no idea. So then then
you settle into the day and you.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Know, I was in the lobby with Spearfish, Sammy with
Vikings media relations, Aaron Freeman with the Timberwolves media relations,
because the Wolves got into about three three fifteen and
they were staying at the hotel that was attached to
our hotel at La Live. So Finchy now comes down.
So it's that quart Chet and O'Connell wants to meet
Finch and has for a while, and vice versa. Finch
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set it on the radio the other day's never met Kevin,
he wants to meet him. So then Kevin came down
and those guys are talking about their sports and stuff
like that. And I still didn't know a ton about
that story you brought up, but those two did, the
head coaches did. And then I mean, I'm just sitting
there listening to them talk and I'm like, mafia, Like
what you know? X Rays, what special tables, glasses what
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so you know, then now we go to the game
and we play the game. And I still last night,
you know, while I was listening to fanline getting caught
up on things. Then I started to read the story
and read corroborating stories with it about talting Lebron James
not playing for somebody who was a quote unofficial end
quote coach. How does one become an unofficial coach with
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the team? I want to become an unofficial coach with
the team. An official coach with the team is somebody
who was hired as the coach. You're paid by the team,
subsequently by the NBA, and you're in the pension and
you're in the chap. What's an unofficial coach on Darvin
Ham's staff. Well, that will sketch you right there. And
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then somebody who has worked in you know, the gambling
world for more than three decades and it's been horse racing.
But nevertheless, you know, it's it's you. You know a
lot about a lot when it comes to how to
play the games, how to beat the games, how to
take agles and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Sure, there have been Intel games in the horse racing
industry over the course of time.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm talking outside of horse racing.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
There was a there was a race probably within twenty
or thirty years ago, one of those Louisiana tracks. It
wasn't the Fairgrounds, but it was one of these bush
deep woods Louisiana tracks.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
It's I can't remember which one it was. It's a
reputable track.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Now, there was a jockey I think his name was
Sylvester Carmouche and his brother what a name, Kendrick, I
believe is still riding. Is quite accomplished, Kendrick Carmouche. It
was unbelieved and you can google this. It was unbelievably
foggy one day slash night of this racetrack and it
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was what's I think called a bull ring. It's a
smaller track so Canterbury. You look, you bring Avistella and
Hannah down to the finish line. They start there for
a mile and you go all the way around. Well
that's a mile. Well, some tracks like one at which
I called in Grand Island, Nebraska, vun Or Park are
known as bull rings. So it's five eighths, five furlongs
eight furlongs in a mile. You got to go around
twice for a mile. It's like one of those tracks.
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My man Sylvester Carmouche busted out to the lead, hid
in the corner on the far turn, waited to hear
the hoofs of other horses coming and took off and
had like a tent late look at him, go hang
up up track record. Yes, and then he got busted
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for popping out of the fox. So yes, it's happened
in horse racing before. But you know, in other sports there,
I've just never you know, when it comes to playing
Texas HoldEm or cards or anything and the special tables
and mafia people shaking down people whose names we know
from pro sports. Yeah, players who have been on LFL
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teams owing a quarter of a million dollars for things
that you didn't know about. It just it, said Terry
Rogier on the old LFL squad. And Chauncey Billis. I
mean we have a Chauncey Billups drop on our button bar.
It's it's the m MPa is silly man something like that.
He was on the sideline of a Vikings Lions game. Yeah,
when he played for the Pistons. And so I've known
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Chauncey a little bit and a roundabout way for a while.
I certainly don't know him well enough to say this
is wrong. He's an upstanding citizen, I know it. Or
he's a complete cheat. I have no idea, and I
honestly couldn't care less. But it's how deep this thing
is with the X rays and the glasses and the
mark cards. Are you're kidding me?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, it's just it's one of those things, and maybe
this is. I mean, you know, I'm not I'm not
bottom of the barrel. I'm not a multi millionaire. But
I just think about, like you look at these pro
at the amount of money that these players, and now
Chauncey Billips is a coach. I think he's making like
five mill as a coach. He definitely he had to
have accrued an eclipsed one hundred million dollars as a player,
(27:20):
very good player. How do you get captured by the mafia?
That's what I'm because there had to be a hook
and whether it was you look at at hockey Evander Kaine.
I don't know if you remember, but he went bankrupt
because of like he owed a bunch of casino stuff
and ended up getting sued and and then you know
John day Porter at a smaller level, it sounds like
(27:40):
he actually may have even potentially been like one of
the lower hanging bits as part of this. I think,
so there might be a connection. I don't want to
put that out there as being fact. I got to
read more, and frankly I was waiting for more names,
and I haven't gotten many of them.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
But sho, hey Otani and his interpreter. Yeah, how are
so the interpreter lays on the sword. And I'm not
one to say Otani or interpreter guy or lot. I
don't know, and I don't care. Yeah, but if you
just can't think that that's the only thing there, correct, There.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Always is a lot more. It's just a matter of
what gets out, and that's all we know. But nevertheless,
that was deep and thick, and that's but that's just
what like. So when I picture the Mafia, I picture,
you know, the romanticized nature of the movies I've seen
and the TV shows, sopranos, et cetera. You know, clearly
they have to evolve beyond olive oil and waste management services.
(28:35):
I get that. So you know, cell phone bought farms
and scams and various things on the internet, et cetera,
Nigerian princes potentially. But you know, just kind of the
idea that Chauncey Billups an NBA head coach who's got
you know, nine figures in cash, you know, before taxes,
and he's making five million year coaching the Blazers, that
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he's working the hardwood on a Wednesday night and Thursday morning,
he's getting yanked because he was luering people in the
rigged poker games with the with the adjusted the shuffling machines.
You mentioned these cool glasses. I was watching a video
on those things last night.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
And contacts, man, I mean contact lenses.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I could use those at the ten dollars table at
pH I'll tell you that because it ain't working for
me on the strip these days. Didn't know that kind
of stuff existed. I'm just how did these guys get captured?
And we'll never know for sure. I suppose but Terry
Roseier like splitting dollars in his living room after you know,
two hundred thousand dollars in unders were placed on him,
after he said he'd leave a game early. Like that's
(29:39):
just insanity, man. I think he's he's on the payroll
for Miami for like twenty six million dollars this year.
So how these guys get captured is crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
When you went when you see the name LaCOSA nostra, Okay,
who those that's from movies? Yeah, it's it's the Italian
term the Italian raised that I think means our thing
or this thing of ours. All right, LaCOSA Nostra is
an old age mob term that was used for United families.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Wasn't it like the five families that are New York
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Well, yeah, and now it's I can't remember the names,
but I don't know if Gambino was one of the names,
but like, oh yeah, like Banafi or something.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's Genevasi or whatever. You yeah, all of them.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, so there are those families LaCOSA Nostra who supposedly
were behind this.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I didn't even know LaCOSA Nostra. La Cosa nostra was
a thing.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Post like John Gotti getting busted and Paul Castellano's dying.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
That's what I'm thinking. Like, they're not sitting outside the
deli anymore, I know.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
But with technology and with X ray machines and with
the ability to make special tables that show people's cards
and X ray glasses and X ray contacts.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Holy cow, you talk about the mark of the Beast.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean it is all over the place in a
fashion that we have no idea that people even can
do certain things. Yeah, I just how do they get cat?
And then but you think about and at least I don't,
but picture there's got to be some people that have
woken up within the last to the last two mornings
seeing this with American Pharaoh's head in their bed right
next to them, and they're thinking, you know, they they
(31:21):
work for some finance firm or something they've they've accrued
fat cat real estate guy. It's like, well, hang on
a second. I dropped seven hundred and fifty K to
Chauncey at some charity bit five years ago.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I didn't think about that, Like, I know, think about
those people the fish that were on the wrong side
of the hook. Yeah, it's like they're just they just
want to rub elbows with Chauncey, Billups and a couple
of former NBA finals MVPs that names won't go mention,
and they get stuck three quarters of a million over
the course of three days and a weekend and they're like,
you know what that I don't fish, I don't golf,
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I don't really do much.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I work a lot.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
And you know, God's been very fortunate or are blessing
worthy of me? He chose I get to do this
job and a lot of money happens to come with it,
but I like to do this and have fun and
I don't care that I lost. And then you read
all this and you recognize somebody knew every pair of
kings that you had coming. That's ads that that I mean,
that's going to work on a brother right there. PTSD.
(32:17):
It's a but make the p poker well picture. He
shows up, he loses half a million. He gets Chauncey
to sign his kids' air Joys and he's like, well,
I guess it's for the experience.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It's completely taken.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
You know, if if I was a person who made
millions of dollars a year and like, and I wanted
to play Texas hold him in this thing, and I
happen to know some people and like they invited me in,
and you know, and I'm talking to you about it, saying, hey,
you know it's a we know Chauncey decently and I'm
just surprised. But uh, in this this three day series
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of games they have beginning in two weeks, Chauncey offered
me his his NBA Finals ring to come at what? Yeah,
he said, I can have it. Okay, So why is
he starting out minus six hundred grand or whatever the
ring costs minus a quarter million? Wow, he's super nice.
I could go to this house. There conna be some
(33:11):
cool people there, reb elbows with people. Everybody knows what
their names. But he's just so kind and generous. He
gave me his NBA Finals ring, and then I went
in there and lost three quarters of a million and
they had a great time.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh wait, they cheated. That sucks.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Well, you know how they should have known the jig
was up. Adrian Peterson was at the table and he
was winning. Oh that's a that's an unbelievably good line.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Well done.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Hey, we got to pause final segment around the corner.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I mean, land the plane here, then we can go
to break. Is the reason I brought that up is
because for some involved, that is the bottom. This will
be defined as finding the bottom.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I'm really hoping that's what happened to the Minnesota Vikings.
Last night in the twenty twenty five season, they identified
what the bottom looks like for this this Master to
zero two five and whether you win or lose at Detroit,
they're incrementally or in soaring fashion, it's up from here
one way or another. Because that had that just had
(34:11):
some bottom feel to it last night.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I dig that.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And we're going to put a bow on this show
and turn the page into the weekend final segment next
At all Bros.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Merges av Or Scott on a gun run, heads to
the right, slide across the line of scrimmage of the
thirty five and he'll evill bounce off a charger nicely.
That's a game of ten yards and the Vikings first down.
We're now down to ten seconds to go in the game,
and that's going to be as the Vikings won't run
another play.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
They're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hoist the white flag and the LA Chargers improved to
five and three. The Minnesota Vikings drop to three and
four after losing thirty seven ten to the LA Chargers.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That from last night at SOFI Stadium in Los Angeles,
that voice, yeah, should be familiar. It's the host tonight
in noon and he has found his way into the
familiar confines of the six five to one carpets plus studios.
How is the travel back then?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
That that that end game highlight was like me asking
you saying, well, you talk dirty to me and then
you play something like that. I mean, because that that
was just it was a dirty situation last night from
all angles. And you know when when you you endure
a season through through seven games and this is this
(01:30):
is en route to becoming a bastard season. I mean,
this thing is bastardized at this stage of the equation.
Now they're going to get some people back for the
for the Lions game, but they're going to get some
people back for the Lions game.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's still the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
But the the bastardization of the the awkward nature of
this twenty twenty five Minnesota Viking season took a turn
last night where each and every game things are taking
a turn, and where I just and you know, this
doesn't mean like I'm new Rockney elite football mine, but
I mean I see coming zero. I mean it's it
(02:07):
was Kamani Vidal last night. Yep. And Trey Harris had
his first receiving touchdown. All right, he's a rookie and
maybe they'll like him. But Kamani Vidal, the Troy State
running back going for one seventeen a week after you
you hold Saquon Barkley's overall game to what you hold
it to, but then two receivers get lose for more
(02:29):
than one hundred and that is a game removed from
Cleveland almost beating you and Judkins putting up good numbers.
But he's supposed to do that. And then you get
back to Kenneth Gainwell. Kenneth Gainwell, I think he went
for one fourteen on the ground or something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It was ninety nine, but it was. It was Daggers
all day.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It was the best game of his career, yes, And
it was the best game of Commani Vidal's career. And
it was the best game of this guy's career. And
first time Jalen Hurts has done this, and for time
this guy has done that. It's just a lot of
firsts are flying in the face of the Vikings right now,
and you know they're not the first to endure things
like this. However, there they can't stop so much right now.
(03:15):
They can't get out of their own way with the
running game, no matter what iteration of the offensive line
is being used. They can't get themselves to take Carson
Wentz out of the game when he's grimacing and wincing,
and of course he's going to say, yes, I want
to stay in the game, because that's how all of
them are wired, right, And they can't get themselves to
(03:36):
do it. They can't get themselves to stop the pass
and then somebody run then uh, then they stop the
pass and somebody runs on them for large chunks, and
you know, it's it's the weaving trick up the middle
bye by the Patterson cat who just came up off
the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And I'm Herbert.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Herbert's a really, really good runner, and and we all
knew that into the game. And you know, fantasy football people,
I'm sure you know look at his numbers and follow
it rather closely. But it's the way he sets up
the run. All right, well, you got us, Okay, you
got us. Hey, that was nice too, But then the
next six you're supposed to stop. The doll weaves his
(04:14):
way for three yards, but then it ends up being
eight or it ends up being eleven. All right, cool,
you get to make place too. Hey, that was a
good one too. But the next six we stop. That's
just none of that is happening. And it's just it's
it's malfunction junction all.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Over the place for the football team right now.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And and you know, I heard you say something on
fan line last night while I was sitting on the
bus waiting to go to the airport, and I think
you phrased it like Kevin O'Connell for the first time
in his career.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Here is facing true adversity. And you said it like that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Right, yeah, yeah, And I acknowledge significant adversity is twenty
twenty three, and I know what that was, but it's
just different. I think you're right, this is an entirely
different universe man with everything to build up and then
now what you're seeing here, I mean, I just picture it.
How excited this coach has been and all the ups
and downs, the initial injury with McCarthy, but how excited
(05:11):
he was to unveil the tenth overall pick and put
McCarthy in that spot Monday night at Soldier Field, with
the work that they did to compliment him front side
of the O line. We talked about that, Hargrave and Allen,
all the new faces as AA Rodgers. We get all
the bits how excited he was and what that looked like,
what that felt like all through camp and trials and tribulations,
(05:35):
to be certain, But now seven games into it, sixteen seventeen,
combinations of the offensive line, people wondering when Van Ginkle's
next going to be okay, the injuries and other spots,
are we getting enough out of that defensive interior at
this stage, the seventeenth overall pick from a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
In compliment to the pass rush, Grenard working harder than
he's ever worked before. It feels like in his life,
I mean, how good has he been? And what kind
of mountains is this cat climbing on?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Just to replicate some of the pressure in the force
he provided a year ago. Man, And and just nothing
is working right now? And uh, And I just yes,
that's that's how I framed it up for the first
time in his coaching career.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Pa.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I just I'm seeing the coach deal with some of
the nastiest adversity and and and and just kind of
how he deals with that, not just it coming back
from LA last night, but moving forward, Man, the schedule
does not get any.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Easier, right, But it's it's such a wide ranging situation
due to the injuries, that when you feel you have
something squared away, and that this is just the the
announcer talking viewing it from afar, certainly not talking for
the coach or the team. But when when you when
you feel you get something going your way, something else
(06:54):
goes wrong. And it doesn't go wrong in small or
moderate fashion. It's floodgates open, and it's hired women and children,
and it's for long periods of games. You know, I
don't know how often we've heard Kevin after games say
(07:15):
that I did not have the team prepared, all right,
And I'm not going to go through all the postgame
press conferences after losses like like the Dallas loss I
think it was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They lose like forty to three.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Oh yeah, Tony Pollard, though it would have been like
something like a game like that, You know that that's
where you would hear things like that.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But it's it's you know.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We we we adore and respect and at least I
and I think you too, are happy that Kevin O'Connell's
head coach of the Minnesota Vikings because of openness and
vulnerability like that. But you can't play that card too often, okay,
And he played it last night. Now he I'm not
(07:56):
going to say whether he had them prepared or not.
And I know, over the course of time, coaches will
say things like that so that they take the hits
and they take the arrows and keep them away from
their assistant coaches and or players. But you whether you
just got an extended deal worth how much ever money?
(08:18):
Who cares. You can't play that card frequently because it
starts to resonate with the team. Yeah, Now, there are
a lot of things resonating with the fan base. And
if you say I didn't have the team prepared properly
for this game, you know, whether it's fan line or
whether it's six or six eight six, you may get
some people coming in saying, well, what does that mean?
(08:40):
Why this is what your job is to do? You
say they weren't prepared and they got killed?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All right?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You know again, just think about that. You can't do
that many times. And he played that yesterday. Now see
that's born of desperation. That's born of not dart throwing
because they put too much time into it. It's born
of I understand how much pain the quarterback was in.
The other guy has taken zero reps with the first
(09:11):
team for X amount of weeks. And by the way,
you know, do I slash do I want to or
do you want to see this other quarterback with what
we're seeing now, with everything that's around us. And it's
not even a true situation for Brozmer because when you're
(09:31):
down multiple scores, three scores or more, you're not gonna run.
I mean, it's the coaches just don't say, like, all right,
well we're down twenty one points and they're ten minutes
to go, so we're just gonna throw the game away
and we're gonna put Aaron Jones back in, and we're
gonna see if Darisahl wants to come back in, and
we're just gonna play it with a run like a
normal running game. Out of the first quarter, set up
(09:51):
the pass, set up the play action, all of that
that there's not There wasn't really much benefit to that
last evening outside of the self preservation of the quarterback.
And I do think that that is fair for Carl
talking about Carson Wentz and the clear pain that he
was in. But they're they're not even scoring touchdowns, right,
That's how bastard this thing is. Right now, Addison got loose,
(10:14):
okay for the only touchdown, but Isaiah Rodgers touchdown. No
it's not Jordan Mason ooh out at the wand no
touchdown Hockinson. Wow, how about this? No not a touchdown.
I mean, that's not even going right right now. It's
just it's multifaceted. Uh, it's it's a complete malfunction right now.
(10:36):
And I know Riker, you know, barely ever misses. Ryan
Wright's having the best season of his career. There are
good things that you can find. So it's not like
going starting with Ivan pay Junior down to Elijah Williams
and saying l l l l l l l L.
It's not like that. But in the Ultimate team Game,
when when one, two, three, four or five fail, they
(10:59):
all fail, and you know, it's like Mittellis has two
interceptions this year. Okay, now, Jalen Redmond, now you know,
like watch it's been a bright spot. Well, if we
were to watch back everything Jalen Redman has done, we
probably will see him whip on some tackles. We probably
will see him slip sometime or take a bad angle
on somebody, you know, over the course of X amount
(11:21):
of plays during the course of the year. But yeah,
that's that sticks out as something in the Ultimate Team
game that is working quite well.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You know when I say on the broadcast like I
did last night several times, Jalen Redman is this team's
best defensive lineman. We're not supposed to say that, and
really we're not. With all due respect to Jail and
I'm quite fond of him too, and I love his
story and coming out of nowhere he at a blood
cloud issue. Those whole career looked like it was over.
Now look at him, I mean, look at him. He
leads the team in sacks and he's better than Jay
(11:53):
Von Hargrave and Jonathan Allen.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
He's all effort and energy.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
So when, like you said, you know, last night, it
r with me when I was listening to fanline that
this is the first true adversity Kevin O'Connell has faced.
And I agree with you because with with Cousins going
down at Lambeau and then you trade for Dobbs and
then you try Jaron Hall and you know Mullins can
go for four hundred, but he might throw it away
(12:18):
at the end of the game. That that that whole
thing right there, Four quarterbacks for an offensive mind to coach.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
That's not preferred. But nevertheless, there were moments that looked
like what we come to expect with this regime. It's
I said it last week and there's nothing from last
night outside of the fourth quarter at Soldier Field well,
I said it, yeah last week to you outside of
the fourth quarter at Soldier Field, the the aberration that
(12:48):
was the Bengals game. Beating the Bengals is not of
the aberration variety. The whole game was an aberration when
it turns out like that. So that so fourth quarter
Soldier Field Cincinnati game and the Addison drive at Tottenham Hotspur,
that's it. That's it, that right there where it's Does
it have to be exactly like last year? No, but
(13:11):
last year things would be stuck and punt and then
oh wow, that was close.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Now they're punting.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Hey, now we're punting back and forth a little bit,
you know, like boxers feeling out each other in the
early rounds. And then Van Ginkole would pick off a
pass and get to the house, or Grenard would get
a tackle for loss on third and one and they
would be punting and the crowd would go nuts. Or
Jefferson would be running free between the hash marks, and
Addison would be scoring ten touchdowns and nail Or would
(13:40):
e merge with a bunch of touchdowns early in the season,
while you know, while they waited for a receiver.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
There's just none of that.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
So that is that I think plays into and then
the coach puts the bow on what you said before
you said it when he said I did not have
the team prepared. So it's it's I mean, it's a
bastard season. It's just abnormal from what we're used to.
(14:08):
And I think more goes into it than just not
you know, being able to use McCarthy or not having
Van Gang call. I just think there's more to it
when something like last night happens. And I don't exactly
know what that more would be, but when you get
run on the way they got run on last night
by that Chargers team, and they got Joe Alt back
(14:31):
and that helped. Joe's really really good. But they had
replacements of right guard and the right tackle started like
three games. So I mean, it's not like the Manhattan
Beach Moving Company is making the old school Dallas Cowboys
with Larry Allen Blush. Tackling and physicality, I think we're
an issue last night, and physicality was a major issue
in the Falcons game. Yes it was, I mean where
the Falcons came out and just started punching, all right.
(14:54):
So but see there was a correction the next week.
It was the Bengals who got punched and punched and
waylaid and roundhouses and uppercuts and down goes Cincinnati. It's
we're getting punched and either not throwing that, not throwing
punches back, or they're missing. And it's just very sullen
(15:15):
right now, it.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is, and so many angles playing into this. I agree
it goes beyond just I mean, I'm watching Wentz getting
peeled off the turf last night, and I'm just thinking
it's time for this experience to end for him. He's
an ironman, coveing and collapse like loving the warrior that
he has been. But my goodness, for his own sake,
we need to save him from himself here.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I'm I'm and quite honestly and again not I'm not,
certainly not speaking for anybody involved with this team. This
is my opinion and it involves somebody of whom I'm
very fond.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I'm shocked that at some point of the fourth Quartermax
Brosmer didn't come into the game.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm shocked as well, and it's because they they every
you know, every blade of grass, and we've got to
take every single inch we can get that mentality is
age old in the National Football League, and perhaps perhaps
it has to be that way or you lose your
edge and you get hurt or you get bludgeoned.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But it's you know, you probably saw more on television
than I did. But I mean, I have my binoculars
on Wentz a lot when he threw his helmet.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But you needed your buyeos from the freaking parking lot
you're trying to call the game for.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
SOFI is quickly becoming one of my least favorite places
to call games. But there are other reasons for that.
But nevertheless it and all the action was on the
other side of the field.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But that's cool.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But it's just for self preservation of the man, you
know where after the game when when O'Connell's asked about McCarthy,
same answer from Kevin. We want to play him, we
like him, and we want we want to have him
get a full week of practice. You know that that's
not only important to Kevin, but a lot of teams
when it comes to the quarterback they're going to use
is getting them together with the first team and having
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a full week of practice. And you know, with with
Max Brosmer, that's not the case, and it's never the case.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Shanahan, by the way, is a quick aside doing the
exact same thing with Perdy and the tow out in
the bay right now, what's that name. Well, it's been
a lot of people thinking Perdy can go out there
trials and tribulations with Max Jones. But Perdy can probably
go and Shanahan very committed to he's going to be
back on the field when he's one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, but see that they're there.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Also is is discretion being the better part of valor
where you may recognize we're not going to and they
never want to think this or say this, we're not
going to win this game, and this guy's arm might
fall off. So we know Max hasn't done anything with
anybody who's in the game or whatever, you know, outside
of the Scout team. But he just has to go
(17:50):
out there and hand it off for the next forty
five minutes of real time life or throw some shorties
to Xavi or Scott or whatever, just so we can
get out of this. Because and now from a Carson
Wentz standpoint, I mean, Carson has been so much better
during his career when he's had an opportunity to start
than he has been of late. Yes, why find myself
(18:10):
feeling bad for him? Because what's he going to do?
Say no, I don't want to play now. There are
some who there are some who do that, and there
are some who will do that. But there are some
who do that. There are believe it or not, at
the professional level making a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He's not one of them. No, So he's never going
to pull himself out.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Never.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
But it's he there's so much better to his game.
And then if he watches it back, he must be
looking at that person is saying, hey, this is Halloween.
This is Spurgeon win or Josh Dobbs in a Carson
Wentz outfit. Haha, that's not funny on Halloween because he's
not anything requisite to who he's been. He didn't run
(18:51):
last night. I don't think he ran last night. And
part of Carson's game is running for first downs or
you know, running to if they're in man defense. And
they turned they turned their back on you run on them.
So now they start doing things more the way you
want them done. But you know, there were just two
things that really hit me hard after the game last night.
One sitting in that press conference room, I was next
(19:14):
to guestline, right behind Alec. And you know, when Kevin said, well,
there's not really much to talk about here, but I
didn't have the team prepared for the game, I can't
say I've ever heard him say that. And then listening
to fanline, you saying that this is the first true
adversity that you felt he was facing. And I'm not
saying I thought it was hyperbolic, but it caused me
to think some things out a little bit. And and
(19:35):
because they because the the bastard nature of things is
so wide ranging, whether it's mistackles or like like we
said earlier, got the run defense squared away. Now everybody's
going for one hundred over the top of trying to
run the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What do we have? How many runs in the first half? Five? Five?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Okay, well, yeah, I mean it's that that number, obviously,
no matter the game shape, is ridiculously low. But I
would counter with, well, did you see the runs and
did you see you know, like the blocks for them.
Did you see anybody get to the next level the
linebackers or the safeties pick somebody off and give somebody
(20:12):
a chance. It just wasn't working. It just wasn't working, Okay,
So then maybe we'll just keep doing it, keep doing it,
and keep doing it and keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I'm going to keep banging my head against the wall,
thinking that the different thought's going to come into my
mind the more I do it. So I'm not I'm
not like mad at that, because if you get mad
at that, I got about eight other things nobody's talking
about that you need to be mad at too. It's
just mad at it, that's what it is. It's just
so off right now. It is that they need some
(20:42):
time off and they'll come back get some players back
into play the Lions.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Speaking of time off, let's pause. But you triggered something
in my head in terms of thanks for letting me
talk that out.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
By the way, Oh that's perfect man.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'm just glad to see you and I hope you
got a couple hours of sleep and just getting your
perspective on. I mean, it was an unmitigated disaster last night,
and but you triggered something now as you were talking
that I want to hit you with when we return. Uh,
Devon's got the cash thing. We're gonna pause, come back
and just continue to work our way through this and
you see some talkbacks. As I mentioned earlier, maybe I'll
(21:12):
open the segment with UH, but continuing to UH, to
lay this all out before we turn the page and
open up on a Monday, trying to figure out are
we going to beat them? Kiddies looking forward to it?
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Speaker 4 (22:00):
Hey, when you hit me yesterday with what was transpiring
with Chauncey Billips and Terry Rochier and Damon Jones and everything,
I had just in walking down from my room to
the team meal area, efforting coffee and trying to find
a spot at the where we stayed, the JW Marriott
La Live. It's absolutely, I think the biggest hotel you
(22:23):
know that that A I've ever stayed at, or B
the teams ever stayed at. So it was a hall
to get to places. That's why I was a couple
of minutes late. But when I went in there and
I saw in the crawl, I'm like, what in the
heck is this? Okay, here's the con I got to
run outside.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, it was very new to you. What I mentioned
that t yesterday, I had no idea. So then then
you settle into the day and you.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Know, I was in the lobby with Spearfish, Sammy with
Vikings media relations, Aaron Freeman with the Timberwolves media relations,
because the Wolves got into about three three fifteen and
they were staying at the hotel that was attached to
our hotel at La Live. So Finchy now comes down.
So it's that quart Chet and O'Connell wants to meet
Finch and has for a while, and vice versa. Finch
(23:08):
set it on the radio the other day's never met Kevin,
he wants to meet him. So then Kevin came down
and those guys are talking about their sports and stuff
like that. And I still didn't know a ton about
that story you brought up, but those two did, the
head coaches did. And then I mean, I'm just sitting
there listening to them talk and I'm like, mafia, Like
what you know? X Rays, what special tables, glasses what
(23:32):
so you know, then now we go to the game
and we play the game. And I still last night,
you know, while I was listening to fanline getting caught
up on things. Then I started to read the story
and read corroborating stories with it about talting Lebron James
not playing for somebody who was a quote unofficial end
quote coach. How does one become an unofficial coach with
(23:55):
the team? I want to become an unofficial coach with
the team. An official coach with the team is somebody
who was hired as the coach. You're paid by the team,
subsequently by the NBA, and you're in the pension and
you're in the chap. What's an unofficial coach on Darvin
Ham's staff. Well, that will sketch you right there. And
(24:15):
then somebody who has worked in you know, the gambling
world for more than three decades and it's been horse racing.
But nevertheless, you know, it's it's you. You know a
lot about a lot when it comes to how to
play the games, how to beat the games, how to
take agles and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Sure, there have been Intel games in the horse racing
industry over the course of time.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm talking outside of horse racing.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
There was a there was a race probably within twenty
or thirty years ago, one of those Louisiana tracks. It
wasn't the Fairgrounds, but it was one of these bush
deep woods Louisiana tracks.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
It's I can't remember which one it was. It's a
reputable track.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Now, there was a jockey I think his name was
Sylvester Carmouche and his brother what a name, Kendrick, I
believe is still riding. Is quite accomplished, Kendrick Carmouche. It
was unbelieved and you can google this. It was unbelievably
foggy one day slash night of this racetrack and it
(25:14):
was what's I think called a bull ring. It's a
smaller track so Canterbury. You look, you bring Avistella and
Hannah down to the finish line. They start there for
a mile and you go all the way around. Well
that's a mile. Well, some tracks like one at which
I called in Grand Island, Nebraska, vun Or Park are
known as bull rings. So it's five eighths, five furlongs
eight furlongs in a mile. You got to go around
twice for a mile. It's like one of those tracks.
(25:37):
My man Sylvester Carmouche busted out to the lead, hid
in the corner on the far turn, waited to hear
the hoofs of other horses coming and took off and
had like a tent late look at him, go hang
up up track record. Yes, and then he got busted
(25:57):
for popping out of the fox. So yes, it's happened
in horse racing before. But you know, in other sports there,
I've just never you know, when it comes to playing
Texas HoldEm or cards or anything and the special tables
and mafia people shaking down people whose names we know
from pro sports. Yeah, players who have been on LFL
(26:19):
teams owing a quarter of a million dollars for things
that you didn't know about. It just it, said Terry
Rogier on the old LFL squad. And Chauncey Billis. I
mean we have a Chauncey Billups drop on our button bar.
It's it's the m MPa is silly man something like that.
He was on the sideline of a Vikings Lions game. Yeah,
when he played for the Pistons. And so I've known
(26:39):
Chauncey a little bit and a roundabout way for a while.
I certainly don't know him well enough to say this
is wrong. He's an upstanding citizen, I know it. Or
he's a complete cheat. I have no idea, and I
honestly couldn't care less. But it's how deep this thing
is with the X rays and the glasses and the
mark cards. Are you're kidding me?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, it's just it's one of those things, and maybe
this is. I mean, you know, I'm not I'm not
bottom of the barrel. I'm not a multi millionaire. But
I just think about, like you look at these pro
at the amount of money that these players, and now
Chauncey Billips is a coach. I think he's making like
five mill as a coach. He definitely he had to
have accrued an eclipsed one hundred million dollars as a player,
(27:20):
very good player. How do you get captured by the mafia?
That's what I'm because there had to be a hook
and whether it was you look at at hockey Evander Kaine.
I don't know if you remember, but he went bankrupt
because of like he owed a bunch of casino stuff
and ended up getting sued and and then you know
John day Porter at a smaller level, it sounds like
(27:40):
he actually may have even potentially been like one of
the lower hanging bits as part of this. I think,
so there might be a connection. I don't want to
put that out there as being fact. I got to
read more, and frankly I was waiting for more names,
and I haven't gotten many of them.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
But sho, hey Otani and his interpreter. Yeah, how are
so the interpreter lays on the sword. And I'm not
one to say Otani or interpreter guy or lot. I
don't know, and I don't care. Yeah, but if you
just can't think that that's the only thing there, correct, There.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Always is a lot more. It's just a matter of
what gets out, and that's all we know. But nevertheless,
that was deep and thick, and that's but that's just
what like. So when I picture the Mafia, I picture,
you know, the romanticized nature of the movies I've seen
and the TV shows, sopranos, et cetera. You know, clearly
they have to evolve beyond olive oil and waste management services.
(28:35):
I get that. So you know, cell phone bought farms
and scams and various things on the internet, et cetera,
Nigerian princes potentially. But you know, just kind of the
idea that Chauncey Billups an NBA head coach who's got
you know, nine figures in cash, you know, before taxes,
and he's making five million year coaching the Blazers, that
(28:56):
he's working the hardwood on a Wednesday night and Thursday morning,
he's getting yanked because he was luering people in the
rigged poker games with the with the adjusted the shuffling machines.
You mentioned these cool glasses. I was watching a video
on those things last night.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
And contacts, man, I mean contact lenses.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I could use those at the ten dollars table at
pH I'll tell you that because it ain't working for
me on the strip these days. Didn't know that kind
of stuff existed. I'm just how did these guys get captured?
And we'll never know for sure. I suppose but Terry
Roseier like splitting dollars in his living room after you know,
two hundred thousand dollars in unders were placed on him,
after he said he'd leave a game early. Like that's
(29:39):
just insanity, man. I think he's he's on the payroll
for Miami for like twenty six million dollars this year.
So how these guys get captured is crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
When you went when you see the name LaCOSA nostra, Okay,
who those that's from movies? Yeah, it's it's the Italian
term the Italian raised that I think means our thing
or this thing of ours. All right, LaCOSA Nostra is
an old age mob term that was used for United families.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Wasn't it like the five families that are New York
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Well, yeah, and now it's I can't remember the names,
but I don't know if Gambino was one of the names,
but like, oh yeah, like Banafi or something.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's Genevasi or whatever. You yeah, all of them.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, so there are those families LaCOSA Nostra who supposedly
were behind this.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I didn't even know LaCOSA Nostra. La Cosa nostra was
a thing.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Post like John Gotti getting busted and Paul Castellano's dying.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
That's what I'm thinking. Like, they're not sitting outside the
deli anymore, I know.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
But with technology and with X ray machines and with
the ability to make special tables that show people's cards
and X ray glasses and X ray contacts.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Holy cow, you talk about the mark of the Beast.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean it is all over the place in a
fashion that we have no idea that people even can
do certain things. Yeah, I just how do they get cat?
And then but you think about and at least I don't,
but picture there's got to be some people that have
woken up within the last to the last two mornings
seeing this with American Pharaoh's head in their bed right
next to them, and they're thinking, you know, they they
(31:21):
work for some finance firm or something they've they've accrued
fat cat real estate guy. It's like, well, hang on
a second. I dropped seven hundred and fifty K to
Chauncey at some charity bit five years ago.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I didn't think about that, Like, I know, think about
those people the fish that were on the wrong side
of the hook. Yeah, it's like they're just they just
want to rub elbows with Chauncey, Billups and a couple
of former NBA finals MVPs that names won't go mention,
and they get stuck three quarters of a million over
the course of three days and a weekend and they're like,
you know what that I don't fish, I don't golf,
(31:54):
I don't really do much.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I work a lot.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
And you know, God's been very fortunate or are blessing
worthy of me? He chose I get to do this
job and a lot of money happens to come with it,
but I like to do this and have fun and
I don't care that I lost. And then you read
all this and you recognize somebody knew every pair of
kings that you had coming. That's ads that that I mean,
that's going to work on a brother right there. PTSD.
(32:17):
It's a but make the p poker well picture. He
shows up, he loses half a million. He gets Chauncey
to sign his kids' air Joys and he's like, well,
I guess it's for the experience.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It's completely taken.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
You know, if if I was a person who made
millions of dollars a year and like, and I wanted
to play Texas hold him in this thing, and I
happen to know some people and like they invited me in,
and you know, and I'm talking to you about it, saying, hey,
you know it's a we know Chauncey decently and I'm
just surprised. But uh, in this this three day series
(32:50):
of games they have beginning in two weeks, Chauncey offered
me his his NBA Finals ring to come at what? Yeah,
he said, I can have it. Okay, So why is
he starting out minus six hundred grand or whatever the
ring costs minus a quarter million? Wow, he's super nice.
I could go to this house. There conna be some
(33:11):
cool people there, reb elbows with people. Everybody knows what
their names. But he's just so kind and generous. He
gave me his NBA Finals ring, and then I went
in there and lost three quarters of a million and
they had a great time.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh wait, they cheated. That sucks.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Well, you know how they should have known the jig
was up. Adrian Peterson was at the table and he
was winning. Oh that's a that's an unbelievably good line.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Well done.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Hey, we got to pause final segment around the corner.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I mean, land the plane here, then we can go
to break. Is the reason I brought that up is
because for some involved, that is the bottom. This will
be defined as finding the bottom.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I'm really hoping that's what happened to the Minnesota Vikings.
Last night in the twenty twenty five season, they identified
what the bottom looks like for this this Master to
zero two five and whether you win or lose at Detroit,
they're incrementally or in soaring fashion, it's up from here
one way or another. Because that had that just had
(34:11):
some bottom feel to it last night.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I dig that.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And we're going to put a bow on this show
and turn the page into the weekend final segment next
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