October 8, 2025 • 32 mins
#92Noon! Vikings - Border Battle
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
We got plenty of talkbacks again too. We will start
right here.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey, good morning, guys.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Mitchyear from South Saint Paul. So, I mean, things are
looking pretty optimistic with the injuries and everybody coming back
after the bye. But should we be concerned about Andrew
Van Ginkel? Is this another Daniil Hunter situation? I mean,
this Nick injury is really starting to creep up and
be pretty concerning. You know, he's pretty good on that defense,
and it'd be nice to have him, you know, the
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rest of the season. So all right, I'll hang up
a listen. What do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
All right?
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Scull Uh, Mitch, that's fantastic that that was a fantastic question,
because I'm not I don't prefer to be concerned and
a guy until I truly believe there is reason to
be concerned. So I'm not ten to ten on this,
all right, but that man is so important to the
totality of a defense that has. Yeah, the the defense
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has been the identity of the team. I mean, that's
with all due respect. You know, you've got thirteen offensive
line combinations through five games. Aaron Jones has been down
a fair amount of it. You know, the the Addison
just came back. So I understand, you know, I understand
that there is explosiveness that is there to be had
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offensively when they get some things squared away. But here's
what gets me with Van Ginkel is the defense has
played a large, large part in keeping this team's head
above water. And that's all the while from not getting
splash plays from Javon Harten, all right, one of the
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higher paid players on the defense. I believe, two sacks
in the first game. But then you know, you watch
back some things that are transpiring with him during the
course of games, and he's getting double teamed a lot.
Very difficult to beat double teams, but he's done it before.
So the point being here is the Minnesota Vikings run
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defense has been below average. It's been suspect, and it
was suspect ever since the Cincinnati game. They're going to
win forty eight ten And there was a third and
twelve and Chase Brown basically plows through every Chase Brown,
little baby, Chase Brown plows through not Icky Woods. Chase
Brown's not Chase Brown, not James Brooks. Chase Brown plows
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through everything Minneapolis, Minnie Jaja, Minnetauka, and man Cato and
he got the first down and I was like, damn man,
that's I just can't believe what I just saw with that.
With that, but the run defense has been suspect well.
Van Ginkle helps with that immensely, and he's noteworthy for
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his saxons interceptions and jumping Danny Dimes and a Rodge
and he has five defensive He has five touchdowns in
his career, three pick sixes, one fumble recovery touchdown, and
a blocked punt recovery touchdown. Ben Ginkle is one of
the most important players on this team. To Mitch's question, yeah,
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I mean I'm not ten to ten concerned. I'm done
guessing when he's returning. I got burned on it a
couple of weeks ago. It doesn't matter what my source
was or where it came from. I thought he was playing.
I thought he was playing, and I shared that. Well,
he didn't play, and he hasn't played since. So yeah,
my level of concern not having Andrew van Ginkle is
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elevating week by week, and the rub is while the
defense had has done different things to complement the offense
and the special teams and become quasi the identity of
the team as the offense goes through some injury relateous
situations and two quarterbacks. The more you play the players
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who aren't supposed to play, sixty and seventy plays a game, well,
that's when the elasticity eventually snaps. If you're playing players
sixty and seventy plays a game after game after game
after game after game, backups get tired. That's why they're backups,
because they don't sustain, generally speaking, as well as the
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front liners. So I hope Andrew returns in the Eagles game.
I hope Van Ginkle returns in the Eagles game. But
if I'm Andrew, and no matter what the Vikings medical
staff or outside medical staffs, if they're even involved, have said,
you know, and I don't think anybody's gonna eyeball Andrew
Van Ginkle and say you're a chicken bleep afraid. It's
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a young man and his neck in a violent game.
It's a young man in a violent game and the
neck injury.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We'll just go ahead and leave it right there. What's next,
Hey Pa, Max?
Speaker 7 (05:18):
From Egan, I'm going to touch Grase on both the
things he said. For the quarterback situation, I think we
put Wents in for one more game. I don't think
you want to risk it with JJ. And also if
he ends up playing not great like he did in
the first game, you can't pull him because his confidence
will be out the window. And then for the wild season,
we have to win in the playoffs this year. If
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we don't, it's not looking good from the contract perspective.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
But yeah, we need to win the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
See you by So if thank you very much for
the multifaceted talk back, Max.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That was cool.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
So if not now, when with a McCarthy is healthy
and Wentz has a wounded win it may have to
be now. So it's it's the head coach of the
Minnesota Vikings has won a lot of regular season games here.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
He has the super Bowl ring and he's the reigning
coach of the year.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
You you amass those accolades and you get the benefit
of the doubt on your decisions. So whatever transpires against
the Eagles, of course I slash we or or some
of we will support. But it's with McCarthy assumingly practicing
or getting on the field this week and then like
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practicing in full next week, and Wentz has a wounded wing.
It's leading up to it being JJ McCarthy. I have
no problem with that. This is a you know, I'm
sorry to be Gray Area guy. Generally I'm not. I
couldn't care less which quarterback plays for the Vikings against
the Eagles if Wentz has a wounded wing and the
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other kid is experienced, so that right there, I mean
one might not be able to play or protect himself
because of the wounded shoulder, and the other needs experience.
So I'm cool whichever way they go with it. I
could tell early in this equation I was going to
be tired of that talker. So I'm just really really glad.
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I'll be glad when this talker's over and they play
a football game, one of them succeeds or one of
them fails and we move on from there. Well, oh yeah,
hold on the wild with what he said. Yes, I
don't know how closely you were listening, but were you
listen right?
Speaker 9 (07:35):
I was?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, is it?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I think if you pulled all Wild fans from season
ticket holders to Rubes, I bet ninety five percent of
them would say success this season is winning in the
first round and getting out of the first round. I
think he's nailed it, and it's right like we just
have been. You know, we're celebrating twenty five years of
Wild hockey this year, and you know the last fifteen
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of them have been and all the same way. So that,
to me, without a doubt, is success. I don't care
if you're a wild card and win the first round.
I don't care if you're the President's Cup winners and
winning the first round. That's got to be the objective.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well stated some more plays.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'll hit you for two for one because they're both
on the same talkers that have just said you were
tired of pa.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm not trying to put one player's health above the
other player's health. But if JJ McCarthy is going to
be our franchise quarterback for the next ten twelve years.
Then I don't think he plays again until this offensive
line can figure it out and get healthy and get
right and play with all of our starters on the
same line right for the first time. I love Wentz,
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great player, but don't want to see him get hurt.
But if JJ is our guy, we need to protect them.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
On the other side. Up is Alex a nice job
with that.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I'm out here mowing lines. I'm always tuning in to
nine to noon, big fan man. I don't understand why
people aren't on board the kid QB coming back to start.
I mean, do we want to go with rental one
year old QB's every single season, or do we finally
want to build our team around a young quarterback like
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we've seen the Packers do for the last what thirty years?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Right, Thanks for the nice words and for both of
the talkbacks it. You know, it's very, very difficult, at
least for me. But I mean, you're going to have
those who are going to come in with big, audacious,
loquacious and loud opinions because that's what they feel they
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have to do. And it's twenty twenty five. I'm not
that guy. I don't have a big opinion on this,
And if I'm supposed to and I don't, I apologize
because I know what Carson is capable of when he's healthy.
But I also know at age twenty two it's a
long life ahead of JJ McCarthy. So I mean, if
he doesn't play in the Eagles game or the Chargers game,
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or they want to wait little bit, that that's let's
you know, I'm not going to look at somebody's mental
wherewithal or tenacity or lack thereof and say, if you
don't do this and he's healthy, it ruins his confidence.
I'm not gonna disrespect somebody that way, because the the
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to be in the position he's in, to be drafted
into the National Football League and actually win a game
by age twenty two, that takes a lot of mental
tenacity and fortitude in the first place. And I'm not
going to short change what it's taken the young man
to get here. If they believe that, you know what,
it's we're cool either way.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Here. The veteran is a little wounded, So we're going to.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Slide McCarthy in and and kind of go touching, you know,
touch and go a little bit with a new quarterback
against a super Bowl winning team, and he's twenty two
years of age, and they choose to pull back on
it and try something else. If that ruins JJ McCarthy's confidence,
well then those who selected him. Those who selected him
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are the ones who should come in question for not
knowing that that somebody's that mentally fragile. Yeah, yeah, that's so.
I'm not as wrapped up in this as other people are.
Maybe I should be. Maybe I'll get there, but the
Eagles game will play itself out in the week and
change next.
Speaker 10 (11:27):
Hey Pa Chad from Chaska.
Speaker 9 (11:29):
Great to hear your.
Speaker 10 (11:30):
Voice spreading positivity and especially faith this morning across the
airwaves and a time when our country likely needs it
the most. Great to hear as far as the wild
in the upcoming season, we know new Superstar contract, new
naming rights to the arena. Let's get back to the playoffs,
make a little run, get the fans excited again, and
keep that place sold out every night.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Thanks yeah, thank you, brother, and thanks for the nice words.
It's an honor to that God shows. I get a
microphone and I get the opportunity, in a roundabout way,
to share the gospel of His son but that's strictly it.
The Bible teaches God chooses us, we don't choose him.
I just happened to be here with this microphone and
onabashedly share. But still your words are very, very nice.
(12:15):
So the positivity with the Minnesota Wild has me really
intrigued to watch tomorrow night, despite some injuries like Zuki's
down too right, Yes, yes, so zukies, I mean they
got wow, how explain right.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
A kiss playing?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
So you've got act, You've got Caprisov, we got Boldie, Yep,
we have fab Z, we have z boyem Z are
our goalies. The the goaltender one too, seems to be
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
They're really good. Doesn't that seem to be pretty good?
With Wallstett as the two de Gustavson.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I've been waiting for Walstet to get his time to shine,
and even with the gus Bus extension, I still think
he will. I mean I think he'll get a good
chunk of games. I really have a lot of faith
in both of these guys. I think are one two
is as good as anybody's.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Next. Let's go back to here.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Pa and the boys out walk to my dog. Gotta
say it feels like throwing JJ in the Wolves. If
it's a pissed off eight doesn't seem ethically sound. I
don't know how I feel about it. Also, if the
Wild get past the first round, good season. I need
to see these boys overcome some adversity for once.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
Hope we're doing well, fellas.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Thanks product uh then and enjoy the dog walk.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Yeah, you know, if McCarthy plays against the Eagles and
he throws for one to seventy five, zero touchdowns and
three picks, I'm still not gonna say it's ethically the
wrong I know, I know what you meant, but I
think that was.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The right word.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I don't think ethics really has anything to do with it.
Let's just get the let's just yeah, let's just get
this game in the air and figure out who the
quarterback is by early next week, next Tuesday at TCOP
see chat with Kevin O'Connell. Hopefully we have some.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Steam by then.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
But until then, I'm going to follow the lead of
the head coach here because he's I saw what he
did with the Dobs trick, and I saw what he
did with Nick Mullins, and they didn't win as many
games as maybe people would have liked them too, including me.
But man, that's staff squid. That smart staff squeezed a
lot out of a little that season, and I.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Think they'll do the same thing with these two. Here with.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
The Wild Okay, it made the playoffs last year and
summarily was dismissed. I guess I'm forgetting some of the
injuries like and he had Mark Andre Fleury at the
end was playing five ten percent of the game's max
and he was barely ever playing. So I would have
to say, with all due respect to Hof, the goaltend,
the goaltending one in one A has has improved itself.
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Faber probably won't be playing thirty to thirty six minutes
a game like he was at the end of the
season last year, absolutely running out of gas at the
ends of games. And I'm not I'm not a lead
hockey mind guy, but you know, I know what being
tired looks like. And and boy, yeah this this I'm
with you on the make. I don't know if I
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would say one hundred percent like you did when it
comes to making the playoffs, But you know more about
the Western Conference than do.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I like the team. They hook tomorrow night. Saint Louis.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Now this is back in the Jaden Schwartz days, you know,
used to really give this team problem specific r Yeah right, O'Reilly.
That was a great, great call there, that's the name
I was looking for. Yeah, say, is Saint Louis any
good anymore?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I mean, we'll see. They've got Jimmy Snuggerood now you know,
former Gopher instantly on their top.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Line, might I add?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
So?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, And they've got some good players.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
But again it's we just don't know when what we
see and on paper not always translates to doesn't always
go into the regular season.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So we'll see, yeah for sure.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Like I mean, I thought your squad would have zero
wins the Packers at this stage of the equation, And
how many do they have?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Three or two? They have two?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Yea, it turns out they have two and they were
against they were against some pretty good squads too. And
on that note, when we return, we're gonna do a
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little nasty, not nasty, but it can get a little Uh,
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it can get it can get a little out. Uh.
He is a lifetime Green Bay Packers fan, and I'm
not a lifetime Minnesota Vikings fan.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But you know, I think, uh, I think. You know.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
I've been next to the team for about as old
as Brett play, as long as Brett Blake Moore has
been on this earth. So I care about that team.
And me and b are going to question each other's clubs.
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Speaker 6 (17:33):
These Minnesota Vikings strike fear in your heart as a
Green Bay Packers fan, don't they?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
What is that a shocking statement? Did I just make
a shocking statement?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
You well, I mean when was the last time your
favorite squad beat the Minnesota micns twenty three?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Pretty good question, there isn't it. It's an unfortunate statement. Welcome.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
You're not going to hit me with some lame, tired
trophy case bit.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right there? I could.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That's that's the break glass in case of emergency that
gets you out of any trouble.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Okay, now, before we get into this, yes, we You
and I have had some uh we've had some good, poignant,
direct off microphone conversations today, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Confirmed? Okay? Good?
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Got a little surrogate to it, right, Yeah, okay good.
Don't be afraid to let me have it. Don't be
afraid to find something that is perceived terrible with the
Minnesota Vikings and let me have it. You know, because
when I talk to you and and if if I'm
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proven wrong about Jordan Love and he ends up being
one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL consistently year
after year, I don't think he can handle the big moment. Okay,
personally speaking, I need to see him speaking of a
break the glass and yeah and get the fire extinguere
sure whatever if he if he, if he breaks through,
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I'll give him coven a collapse. I just I if
I'm a Packers fan, I got. I got two things
with my quarterback that are causing me pause. I don't
trust him in certain situations because he always fails big situations,
big moments, certain types of big games.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right, Look, I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far, but
go ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I'll let you finish your Aaron Jones won the Dallas
playoff game, not Jordan Love. Aaron Jones won the Dallas
playoff game, not Jordan Love. Then the next game, see see,
Here's the problem that that I would have with your
quarterback is in that Niners game, he was Sam Darnold.
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He did last year with the Vikings. He did everything
everybody wanted to see until the pressure cooker got the highest.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And then he blew it. Okay, so there aren't many.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
It's a small sample size in fairness, got it. So
I'm riding the discernment vibe on that. I just don't
know if I can trust him when I need to
trust him most. You've looked at the box score. You
now know Aaron Jones won that game, not Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, when I'm looking at Jordan Love's QBR of a
ninety nine point three and a rating of one fifty
seven point two for that game, how many times he
throw with three touchdowns? He threw twenty one times. Okay,
many touchdowns Aaron Jones have. Aaron Jones also had three touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Okay, I will counter with this if just let me
finish over eight seconds and the and the cash and
the fortifying.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Of the village.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Yeah with the Now, the cap goes up every year,
so hey, if I'm Jordan, I take it too. But nevertheless,
it's the fortifying of the village moving forward, and you
know you, I mean, it's you know, I can't say
that I trust JJ McCarthy in a pressure related spot
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because I haven't seen it yet, So therefore I can't
blindly say I trust him now. So I'm putting Vikings
allegiance to the side, and I'm just being straight.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'm shooting straight with you.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Football fan to football fan, So in your heart of hearts,
we'll start here. How much do you trust that quarterback
in the hottest situations, in the biggest games.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I mean, if we're gonna go and good morning, if
we're gonna go, just playoff wins and losses best only
one team ends the season happy, you know what I mean.
And so you're gonna have these moments where you find
I mean, bro, you've seen more of his snaps than me,
so I have. I'm not gonna say that I'm going
to completely yield to what you're saying, but I would
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like to learn I'll say this. In the last week
against the Cowboys, I understand it was a tie. There
were four instances in that game where Jordan Love had
to lead a game saving dry I've got it to
where the defense floundered, were spent and gave Dak you know,
basically all the time in the world, and Jordan Love
had to save the game several times in overtime as well.
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So to me, he just didn't look like the look
on his face. You know, we spent decades looking at
Aaron Rodgers face and how mad he was and how
he'd be yelling at his receivers. Just Jordan is just
stone colde Nothing fazes the guy.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
And this is unfair for me to ask this about
Jordan Love. Okay, do you think he'll ever be on
the same plane as Aaron Rodgers or Brett Varre.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think it's possible.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I would wouldn't say it was likely, but I think
if you look at the stats of Rogers starts to
this point, which was like, I think sixty some starts
versus Love, the stats are almost identical. Wow, So it's
they had it on the broadcast. I think during the
Browns game got it, so statistically it's certainly possible. I
think the arm talent is there. I think when you're
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talking about Love, you're talking about well, you know, he's
bound to make a dumb throw or and I mean
that's not to pull a you know, a ponder, but
a lot of the stuff, the intangibles he has and
the stone cold killer arm talent he has, it's got
to be the you know, the lights out on every
single play, Like the interception against the Browns, it was
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a read that he saw a couple other times where
it was open. He made a throw with anticipation. Guy
made a good plane jumped in so crazy that would
be my I think the sample size of when it
matters I just haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Seen enough of Do you do you love your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I love I think I may be the biggest Jordan
love defender besides his mom got it?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, you shouldn't.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
But see the thing is, you shouldn't have to defend it. Yeah,
see what I believe it though, Thank you. That's what
I was looking for. So you hit me as hard
as you want about anything you want, or we could
just sit here and converse it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We could. It's me and Bee and that's your squad,
what about mine? And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Afraid to rip. I mean I ripped the wild all
the time. I love the wild to death.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
You're such a kind kid, You're such a kind man
that I think you're afraid that you're gonna like frustrate
me or upset me or hurt my feelings. Would a
sports related topic, all of that is impossible with me.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Impossible. Well then we'll go here. My stance on the
Wentz v jj bitt for next week. I've thought about it,
and I've kind of gone back and forth. But I
think the whole crux of the argument is what is
the ceiling with Wentz? Because I think the only reason
you should not be playing JJ McCarthy against the Eagles.
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Is if you think you can get to the big
game with Carson Wentz starting the rest of the year,
and you don't think that JJ is ready.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Personally, I don't think Carson Wentz at this stage. I
real hot take here, not sure he's the super Bowl
winning quarterback at this point in time in his career,
even with the weapons the Vikings have. So that being said,
if you'll concede that that maybe he's not a big
game winning quarterback, you have to go with j And
even if it is, he's not ready and you're going
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to go through these growing pains all year. You'd rather
have that than go for a ten and seven season
and maybe a wild card berth where you get spanked
by the Rams.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Well, I can't go with that with Wentz because he's
never played in big games. So therefore I would be
foolish to say he can't do something he's never attempted
to do.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
In other words, when I talk about Jordan Love, it's
the sample size is Dray Greenlaw and that's it. The
Browns part of the equation, don't That doesn't factor into it.
Other bone headed plays like people make bone headed plays.
Those don't factor into it. For me, it was what
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Matt Lafleur laid out that individual game, and there weren't
many ways to win that game, and what he did
at the end, which was completely empathetical to the plan.
So but that's I'm not gonna ain't nobody pounding their
fist on that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It's one game for somebody who is super talented. I can't.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I can't say Carson Wentz is incapable of winning big
games when with a bad shoulder grand you know, against Cleveland,
which which.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
The Cleveland defense.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
I mean, I said, I wasn't on the radio a
ton last week, but I told everybody would listen to
me last week, you have to throw to beat this
team when you have three backup offensive linemen, with all
due respect, ends up being four consistently over the balance
of the game. Moving those guys with four backups Malik Malik,
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MALIEK Collins and Mason Graham's tough to move. Garrett is Garrett,
as you know, being a Packers fan, They're tough to move.
So and plus O'Connell is a throw first.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Kind of mindset.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Anyway, Well, you know, against that well respected defense, would
you say the Browns defense of what you've seen is
is spectworthy very much.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So okay, Unfortunately for me.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Behind for replacement offensive lineman without Aaron Jones Joe Hubert,
though he went nine of nine and won the game.
So that's my most recent So I can't say Carson
can't do it. But I also stick by the fact
that if they want to wait with JJ McCarthy, I
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don't have a problem with that either. Because my daughter's
twenty two years of age. I remember what it was
like when I was twenty two. You probably remember when
you were twenty two.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I do.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
This stuff's coming at you fast, man, And if they
need to stop and start, it's like there doesn't have
to be a mandate on how to play and or
raise twenty two year old quarterbacks. So if they go
with McCarthy, then that means they feel because they you know,
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they want to win every game and they want to
win a Super Bowl desperately. But you don't find success
the way Kevin has by looking at every game or
every season, like you have to be reminded, well, you
do know there's a game next week, Well, you do
know the NFL is going to have a season next year,
so there's no pressure to force anything either. Yeah, like
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the owner for the Cleveland Browns, And I don't know
if this is public or not, but whatever, it's my
belief that Jimmy Haslam kind of has a low key
mandate with that bit that I want to see these
kids before the year's over. Gabriel and or Shador. Now,
be careful what you wish for when you want to
see Shador all right now. Now, Shador at times may
(28:44):
need to be reminded that he didn't fall in the
draft to where he did because his last name is
Sanders and people don't want to deal with his dad.
He fell where he did, and quite honestly, was lucky
he got drafted. The Browns did Shudorr Sanders a favor,
mark my words on that, because I don't think he
was going to get drafted. Maybe stept. Maybe he took
(29:08):
ninety four sacks in two years of Colorado ninety four sacks,
prop that's why you got drafted where he got drafted.
So Jimmy, be careful what you wish for if you
really want to see twelve with Gabriel, you know it's yeah,
he's Dylan Gabriel Man. I mean, we'll we'll see the
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diminutive quarterback play himself out as the season moves on.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know how good he is. I don't know
how bad he is.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
But I think I think your approach is very fair.
But the just I'm not one who's going to be
like I want to see McCarthy because I know we're
going to be nine to eight with wentz Okay. Well,
if I had told you four fifths of the offensive
line would be down at Tottenham Hotspur and you were
going to be losing, and your quarterback has a bad
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shoulder and you need him to go nine to nine
to win it to a guy who was suspended that day,
would you take that bet? Fools will lie, but they wouldn't.
All right, so it's my turn. We do need one
more break as well. I know is Michael Parsons absolutely
worth every penny and picks delivered?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I still think so we don't know what the We
haven't heard about the back until the losses started coming again,
and then the all all of a sudden, the back
and there was one moment we went out of the game. Uh,
the fan has learned they signed him for a four
year deal.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
And I didn't watch the Dallas game. It was one
twenty in the morning London.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yet fair enough. You know I wouldn't either if I
was over there, Yeah you would. Well, so it was
creed bad would But the most pubs stay opened a
four man.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That they do. Man, you can get anything you want,
you know. It was just the defense just did not
have It was awful.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It was as if they came in there, it's like
we're just gonna and Dallas had a really good game plan.
Dak was absolutely lights out and they had a really
good game plan of getting the ball out fast, which
is something you saw Wentz do against the Browns, something
that you should have saw more of Green Bay when
they played the Browns.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So I still think he is.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
But the problem if he's not this all world getting
two sacks three sacks every game, that doesn't mean it
was a bad deal because it's the long term. They've
opened a window that they think they can win a
big game yep, within the next three years. So get
back to me when the cap starts really ramping up
for him on the back side of this deal, Well,
they don't have any rings to show for it, then
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I'll say it was a bad deal.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well stated final segment.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Next alrighty, don't forget to listen to the Minnesota Wild
tomorrow debuting against Saint Louis. Kevin Fallen is guiding nine
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right? What uh? What do they have to say
over there? Doubill be?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
We got plenty of talkbacks again too. We will start
right here.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey, good morning, guys.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Mitchyear from South Saint Paul. So, I mean, things are
looking pretty optimistic with the injuries and everybody coming back
after the bye. But should we be concerned about Andrew
Van Ginkel? Is this another Daniil Hunter situation? I mean,
this Nick injury is really starting to creep up and
be pretty concerning. You know, he's pretty good on that defense,
and it'd be nice to have him, you know, the
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rest of the season. So all right, I'll hang up
a listen. What do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
All right?
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Scull Uh, Mitch, that's fantastic that that was a fantastic question,
because I'm not I don't prefer to be concerned and
a guy until I truly believe there is reason to
be concerned. So I'm not ten to ten on this,
all right, but that man is so important to the
totality of a defense that has. Yeah, the the defense
(01:16):
has been the identity of the team. I mean, that's
with all due respect. You know, you've got thirteen offensive
line combinations through five games. Aaron Jones has been down
a fair amount of it. You know, the the Addison
just came back. So I understand, you know, I understand
that there is explosiveness that is there to be had
(01:37):
offensively when they get some things squared away. But here's
what gets me with Van Ginkel is the defense has
played a large, large part in keeping this team's head
above water. And that's all the while from not getting
splash plays from Javon Harten, all right, one of the
(02:01):
higher paid players on the defense. I believe, two sacks
in the first game. But then you know, you watch
back some things that are transpiring with him during the
course of games, and he's getting double teamed a lot.
Very difficult to beat double teams, but he's done it before.
So the point being here is the Minnesota Vikings run
(02:22):
defense has been below average. It's been suspect, and it
was suspect ever since the Cincinnati game. They're going to
win forty eight ten And there was a third and
twelve and Chase Brown basically plows through every Chase Brown,
little baby, Chase Brown plows through not Icky Woods. Chase
Brown's not Chase Brown, not James Brooks. Chase Brown plows
(02:45):
through everything Minneapolis, Minnie Jaja, Minnetauka, and man Cato and
he got the first down and I was like, damn man,
that's I just can't believe what I just saw with that.
With that, but the run defense has been suspect well.
Van Ginkle helps with that immensely, and he's noteworthy for
(03:08):
his saxons interceptions and jumping Danny Dimes and a Rodge
and he has five defensive He has five touchdowns in
his career, three pick sixes, one fumble recovery touchdown, and
a blocked punt recovery touchdown. Ben Ginkle is one of
the most important players on this team. To Mitch's question, yeah,
(03:30):
I mean I'm not ten to ten concerned. I'm done
guessing when he's returning. I got burned on it a
couple of weeks ago. It doesn't matter what my source
was or where it came from. I thought he was playing.
I thought he was playing, and I shared that. Well,
he didn't play, and he hasn't played since. So yeah,
my level of concern not having Andrew van Ginkle is
(03:52):
elevating week by week, and the rub is while the
defense had has done different things to complement the offense
and the special teams and become quasi the identity of
the team as the offense goes through some injury relateous
situations and two quarterbacks. The more you play the players
(04:17):
who aren't supposed to play, sixty and seventy plays a game, well,
that's when the elasticity eventually snaps. If you're playing players
sixty and seventy plays a game after game after game
after game after game, backups get tired. That's why they're backups,
because they don't sustain, generally speaking, as well as the
(04:38):
front liners. So I hope Andrew returns in the Eagles game.
I hope Van Ginkle returns in the Eagles game. But
if I'm Andrew, and no matter what the Vikings medical
staff or outside medical staffs, if they're even involved, have said,
you know, and I don't think anybody's gonna eyeball Andrew
Van Ginkle and say you're a chicken bleep afraid. It's
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a young man and his neck in a violent game.
It's a young man in a violent game and the
neck injury.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We'll just go ahead and leave it right there. What's next,
Hey Pa, Max?
Speaker 7 (05:18):
From Egan, I'm going to touch Grase on both the
things he said. For the quarterback situation, I think we
put Wents in for one more game. I don't think
you want to risk it with JJ. And also if
he ends up playing not great like he did in
the first game, you can't pull him because his confidence
will be out the window. And then for the wild season,
we have to win in the playoffs this year. If
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we don't, it's not looking good from the contract perspective.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
But yeah, we need to win the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
See you by So if thank you very much for
the multifaceted talk back, Max.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That was cool.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
So if not now, when with a McCarthy is healthy
and Wentz has a wounded win it may have to
be now. So it's it's the head coach of the
Minnesota Vikings has won a lot of regular season games here.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
He has the super Bowl ring and he's the reigning
coach of the year.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
You you amass those accolades and you get the benefit
of the doubt on your decisions. So whatever transpires against
the Eagles, of course I slash we or or some
of we will support. But it's with McCarthy assumingly practicing
or getting on the field this week and then like
(06:35):
practicing in full next week, and Wentz has a wounded wing.
It's leading up to it being JJ McCarthy. I have
no problem with that. This is a you know, I'm
sorry to be Gray Area guy. Generally I'm not. I
couldn't care less which quarterback plays for the Vikings against
the Eagles if Wentz has a wounded wing and the
(06:59):
other kid is experienced, so that right there, I mean
one might not be able to play or protect himself
because of the wounded shoulder, and the other needs experience.
So I'm cool whichever way they go with it. I
could tell early in this equation I was going to
be tired of that talker. So I'm just really really glad.
(07:19):
I'll be glad when this talker's over and they play
a football game, one of them succeeds or one of
them fails and we move on from there. Well, oh yeah,
hold on the wild with what he said. Yes, I
don't know how closely you were listening, but were you
listen right?
Speaker 9 (07:35):
I was?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, is it?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I think if you pulled all Wild fans from season
ticket holders to Rubes, I bet ninety five percent of
them would say success this season is winning in the
first round and getting out of the first round. I
think he's nailed it, and it's right like we just
have been. You know, we're celebrating twenty five years of
Wild hockey this year, and you know the last fifteen
(07:58):
of them have been and all the same way. So that,
to me, without a doubt, is success. I don't care
if you're a wild card and win the first round.
I don't care if you're the President's Cup winners and
winning the first round. That's got to be the objective.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well stated some more plays.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'll hit you for two for one because they're both
on the same talkers that have just said you were
tired of pa.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm not trying to put one player's health above the
other player's health. But if JJ McCarthy is going to
be our franchise quarterback for the next ten twelve years.
Then I don't think he plays again until this offensive
line can figure it out and get healthy and get
right and play with all of our starters on the
same line right for the first time. I love Wentz,
(08:40):
great player, but don't want to see him get hurt.
But if JJ is our guy, we need to protect them.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
On the other side. Up is Alex a nice job
with that.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I'm out here mowing lines. I'm always tuning in to
nine to noon, big fan man. I don't understand why
people aren't on board the kid QB coming back to start.
I mean, do we want to go with rental one
year old QB's every single season, or do we finally
want to build our team around a young quarterback like
(09:13):
we've seen the Packers do for the last what thirty years?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Right, Thanks for the nice words and for both of
the talkbacks it. You know, it's very, very difficult, at
least for me. But I mean, you're going to have
those who are going to come in with big, audacious,
loquacious and loud opinions because that's what they feel they
(09:38):
have to do. And it's twenty twenty five. I'm not
that guy. I don't have a big opinion on this,
And if I'm supposed to and I don't, I apologize
because I know what Carson is capable of when he's healthy.
But I also know at age twenty two it's a
long life ahead of JJ McCarthy. So I mean, if
he doesn't play in the Eagles game or the Chargers game,
(09:59):
or they want to wait little bit, that that's let's
you know, I'm not going to look at somebody's mental
wherewithal or tenacity or lack thereof and say, if you
don't do this and he's healthy, it ruins his confidence.
I'm not gonna disrespect somebody that way, because the the
(10:22):
to be in the position he's in, to be drafted
into the National Football League and actually win a game
by age twenty two, that takes a lot of mental
tenacity and fortitude in the first place. And I'm not
going to short change what it's taken the young man
to get here. If they believe that, you know what,
it's we're cool either way.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Here. The veteran is a little wounded, So we're going to.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Slide McCarthy in and and kind of go touching, you know,
touch and go a little bit with a new quarterback
against a super Bowl winning team, and he's twenty two
years of age, and they choose to pull back on
it and try something else. If that ruins JJ McCarthy's confidence,
well then those who selected him. Those who selected him
(11:09):
are the ones who should come in question for not
knowing that that somebody's that mentally fragile. Yeah, yeah, that's so.
I'm not as wrapped up in this as other people are.
Maybe I should be. Maybe I'll get there, but the
Eagles game will play itself out in the week and
change next.
Speaker 10 (11:27):
Hey Pa Chad from Chaska.
Speaker 9 (11:29):
Great to hear your.
Speaker 10 (11:30):
Voice spreading positivity and especially faith this morning across the
airwaves and a time when our country likely needs it
the most. Great to hear as far as the wild
in the upcoming season, we know new Superstar contract, new
naming rights to the arena. Let's get back to the playoffs,
make a little run, get the fans excited again, and
keep that place sold out every night.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Thanks yeah, thank you, brother, and thanks for the nice words.
It's an honor to that God shows. I get a
microphone and I get the opportunity, in a roundabout way,
to share the gospel of His son but that's strictly it.
The Bible teaches God chooses us, we don't choose him.
I just happened to be here with this microphone and
onabashedly share. But still your words are very, very nice.
(12:15):
So the positivity with the Minnesota Wild has me really
intrigued to watch tomorrow night, despite some injuries like Zuki's
down too right, Yes, yes, so zukies, I mean they
got wow, how explain right.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
A kiss playing?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
So you've got act, You've got Caprisov, we got Boldie, Yep,
we have fab Z, we have z boyem Z are
our goalies. The the goaltender one too, seems to be
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
They're really good. Doesn't that seem to be pretty good?
With Wallstett as the two de Gustavson.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I've been waiting for Walstet to get his time to shine,
and even with the gus Bus extension, I still think
he will. I mean I think he'll get a good
chunk of games. I really have a lot of faith
in both of these guys. I think are one two
is as good as anybody's.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Next. Let's go back to here.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Pa and the boys out walk to my dog. Gotta
say it feels like throwing JJ in the Wolves. If
it's a pissed off eight doesn't seem ethically sound. I
don't know how I feel about it. Also, if the
Wild get past the first round, good season. I need
to see these boys overcome some adversity for once.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
Hope we're doing well, fellas.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Thanks product uh then and enjoy the dog walk.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Yeah, you know, if McCarthy plays against the Eagles and
he throws for one to seventy five, zero touchdowns and
three picks, I'm still not gonna say it's ethically the
wrong I know, I know what you meant, but I
think that was.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The right word.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I don't think ethics really has anything to do with it.
Let's just get the let's just yeah, let's just get
this game in the air and figure out who the
quarterback is by early next week, next Tuesday at TCOP
see chat with Kevin O'Connell. Hopefully we have some.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Steam by then.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
But until then, I'm going to follow the lead of
the head coach here because he's I saw what he
did with the Dobs trick, and I saw what he
did with Nick Mullins, and they didn't win as many
games as maybe people would have liked them too, including me.
But man, that's staff squid. That smart staff squeezed a
lot out of a little that season, and I.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Think they'll do the same thing with these two. Here with.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
The Wild Okay, it made the playoffs last year and
summarily was dismissed. I guess I'm forgetting some of the
injuries like and he had Mark Andre Fleury at the
end was playing five ten percent of the game's max
and he was barely ever playing. So I would have
to say, with all due respect to Hof, the goaltend,
the goaltending one in one A has has improved itself.
(14:52):
Faber probably won't be playing thirty to thirty six minutes
a game like he was at the end of the
season last year, absolutely running out of gas at the
ends of games. And I'm not I'm not a lead
hockey mind guy, but you know, I know what being
tired looks like. And and boy, yeah this this I'm
with you on the make. I don't know if I
(15:12):
would say one hundred percent like you did when it
comes to making the playoffs, But you know more about
the Western Conference than do.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I like the team. They hook tomorrow night. Saint Louis.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Now this is back in the Jaden Schwartz days, you know,
used to really give this team problem specific r Yeah right, O'Reilly.
That was a great, great call there, that's the name
I was looking for. Yeah, say, is Saint Louis any
good anymore?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I mean, we'll see. They've got Jimmy Snuggerood now you know,
former Gopher instantly on their top.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Line, might I add?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
So?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, And they've got some good players.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
But again it's we just don't know when what we
see and on paper not always translates to doesn't always
go into the regular season.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So we'll see, yeah for sure.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Like I mean, I thought your squad would have zero
wins the Packers at this stage of the equation, And
how many do they have?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Three or two? They have two?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Yea, it turns out they have two and they were
against they were against some pretty good squads too. And
on that note, when we return, we're gonna do a
segment that every time Brett Blake Moore produces nine to Noon,
and I put together something called Me and B and
we questioned each other's club and it can get a
little can get a little pointed, it can get a
little nasty, not nasty, but it can get a little Uh,
(16:28):
it can get it can get a little out. Uh.
He is a lifetime Green Bay Packers fan, and I'm
not a lifetime Minnesota Vikings fan.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But you know, I think, uh, I think. You know.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
I've been next to the team for about as old
as Brett play, as long as Brett Blake Moore has
been on this earth. So I care about that team.
And me and b are going to question each other's clubs.
We're gonna do that around the corner of KFAM. But first, Yeah,
the cash thing.
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Speaker 6 (17:33):
These Minnesota Vikings strike fear in your heart as a
Green Bay Packers fan, don't they?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
What is that a shocking statement? Did I just make
a shocking statement?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
You well, I mean when was the last time your
favorite squad beat the Minnesota micns twenty three?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Pretty good question, there isn't it. It's an unfortunate statement. Welcome.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
You're not going to hit me with some lame, tired
trophy case bit.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right there? I could.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That's that's the break glass in case of emergency that
gets you out of any trouble.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Okay, now, before we get into this, yes, we You
and I have had some uh we've had some good, poignant,
direct off microphone conversations today, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Confirmed? Okay? Good?
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Got a little surrogate to it, right, Yeah, okay good.
Don't be afraid to let me have it. Don't be
afraid to find something that is perceived terrible with the
Minnesota Vikings and let me have it. You know, because
when I talk to you and and if if I'm
(18:42):
proven wrong about Jordan Love and he ends up being
one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL consistently year
after year, I don't think he can handle the big moment. Okay,
personally speaking, I need to see him speaking of a
break the glass and yeah and get the fire extinguere
sure whatever if he if he, if he breaks through,
(19:03):
I'll give him coven a collapse. I just I if
I'm a Packers fan, I got. I got two things
with my quarterback that are causing me pause. I don't
trust him in certain situations because he always fails big situations,
big moments, certain types of big games.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right, Look, I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far, but
go ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I'll let you finish your Aaron Jones won the Dallas
playoff game, not Jordan Love. Aaron Jones won the Dallas
playoff game, not Jordan Love. Then the next game, see see,
Here's the problem that that I would have with your
quarterback is in that Niners game, he was Sam Darnold.
(19:47):
He did last year with the Vikings. He did everything
everybody wanted to see until the pressure cooker got the highest.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And then he blew it. Okay, so there aren't many.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
It's a small sample size in fairness, got it. So
I'm riding the discernment vibe on that. I just don't
know if I can trust him when I need to
trust him most. You've looked at the box score. You
now know Aaron Jones won that game, not Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, when I'm looking at Jordan Love's QBR of a
ninety nine point three and a rating of one fifty
seven point two for that game, how many times he
throw with three touchdowns? He threw twenty one times. Okay,
many touchdowns Aaron Jones have. Aaron Jones also had three touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Okay, I will counter with this if just let me
finish over eight seconds and the and the cash and
the fortifying.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Of the village.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Yeah with the Now, the cap goes up every year,
so hey, if I'm Jordan, I take it too. But nevertheless,
it's the fortifying of the village moving forward, and you
know you, I mean, it's you know, I can't say
that I trust JJ McCarthy in a pressure related spot
(21:06):
because I haven't seen it yet, So therefore I can't
blindly say I trust him now. So I'm putting Vikings
allegiance to the side, and I'm just being straight.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'm shooting straight with you.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Football fan to football fan, So in your heart of hearts,
we'll start here. How much do you trust that quarterback
in the hottest situations, in the biggest games.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I mean, if we're gonna go and good morning, if
we're gonna go, just playoff wins and losses best only
one team ends the season happy, you know what I mean.
And so you're gonna have these moments where you find
I mean, bro, you've seen more of his snaps than me,
so I have. I'm not gonna say that I'm going
to completely yield to what you're saying, but I would
(21:49):
like to learn I'll say this. In the last week
against the Cowboys, I understand it was a tie. There
were four instances in that game where Jordan Love had
to lead a game saving dry I've got it to
where the defense floundered, were spent and gave Dak you know,
basically all the time in the world, and Jordan Love
had to save the game several times in overtime as well.
(22:12):
So to me, he just didn't look like the look
on his face. You know, we spent decades looking at
Aaron Rodgers face and how mad he was and how
he'd be yelling at his receivers. Just Jordan is just
stone colde Nothing fazes the guy.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
And this is unfair for me to ask this about
Jordan Love. Okay, do you think he'll ever be on
the same plane as Aaron Rodgers or Brett Varre.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think it's possible.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I would wouldn't say it was likely, but I think
if you look at the stats of Rogers starts to
this point, which was like, I think sixty some starts
versus Love, the stats are almost identical. Wow, So it's
they had it on the broadcast. I think during the
Browns game got it, so statistically it's certainly possible. I
think the arm talent is there. I think when you're
(22:59):
talking about Love, you're talking about well, you know, he's
bound to make a dumb throw or and I mean
that's not to pull a you know, a ponder, but
a lot of the stuff, the intangibles he has and
the stone cold killer arm talent he has, it's got
to be the you know, the lights out on every
single play, Like the interception against the Browns, it was
(23:20):
a read that he saw a couple other times where
it was open. He made a throw with anticipation. Guy
made a good plane jumped in so crazy that would
be my I think the sample size of when it
matters I just haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Seen enough of Do you do you love your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I love I think I may be the biggest Jordan
love defender besides his mom got it?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, you shouldn't.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
But see the thing is, you shouldn't have to defend it. Yeah,
see what I believe it though, Thank you. That's what
I was looking for. So you hit me as hard
as you want about anything you want, or we could
just sit here and converse it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We could. It's me and Bee and that's your squad,
what about mine? And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Afraid to rip. I mean I ripped the wild all
the time. I love the wild to death.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
You're such a kind kid, You're such a kind man
that I think you're afraid that you're gonna like frustrate
me or upset me or hurt my feelings. Would a
sports related topic, all of that is impossible with me.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Impossible. Well then we'll go here. My stance on the
Wentz v jj bitt for next week. I've thought about it,
and I've kind of gone back and forth. But I
think the whole crux of the argument is what is
the ceiling with Wentz? Because I think the only reason
you should not be playing JJ McCarthy against the Eagles.
(24:36):
Is if you think you can get to the big
game with Carson Wentz starting the rest of the year,
and you don't think that JJ is ready.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Personally, I don't think Carson Wentz at this stage. I
real hot take here, not sure he's the super Bowl
winning quarterback at this point in time in his career,
even with the weapons the Vikings have. So that being said,
if you'll concede that that maybe he's not a big
game winning quarterback, you have to go with j And
even if it is, he's not ready and you're going
(25:02):
to go through these growing pains all year. You'd rather
have that than go for a ten and seven season
and maybe a wild card berth where you get spanked
by the Rams.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Well, I can't go with that with Wentz because he's
never played in big games. So therefore I would be
foolish to say he can't do something he's never attempted
to do.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
So.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
In other words, when I talk about Jordan Love, it's
the sample size is Dray Greenlaw and that's it. The
Browns part of the equation, don't That doesn't factor into it.
Other bone headed plays like people make bone headed plays.
Those don't factor into it. For me, it was what
(25:46):
Matt Lafleur laid out that individual game, and there weren't
many ways to win that game, and what he did
at the end, which was completely empathetical to the plan.
So but that's I'm not gonna ain't nobody pounding their
fist on that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It's one game for somebody who is super talented. I can't.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I can't say Carson Wentz is incapable of winning big
games when with a bad shoulder grand you know, against Cleveland,
which which.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
The Cleveland defense.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
I mean, I said, I wasn't on the radio a
ton last week, but I told everybody would listen to
me last week, you have to throw to beat this
team when you have three backup offensive linemen, with all
due respect, ends up being four consistently over the balance
of the game. Moving those guys with four backups Malik Malik,
(26:37):
MALIEK Collins and Mason Graham's tough to move. Garrett is Garrett,
as you know, being a Packers fan, They're tough to move.
So and plus O'Connell is a throw first.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Kind of mindset.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Anyway, Well, you know, against that well respected defense, would
you say the Browns defense of what you've seen is
is spectworthy very much.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So okay, Unfortunately for me.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Behind for replacement offensive lineman without Aaron Jones Joe Hubert,
though he went nine of nine and won the game.
So that's my most recent So I can't say Carson
can't do it. But I also stick by the fact
that if they want to wait with JJ McCarthy, I
(27:25):
don't have a problem with that either. Because my daughter's
twenty two years of age. I remember what it was
like when I was twenty two. You probably remember when
you were twenty two.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I do.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
This stuff's coming at you fast, man, And if they
need to stop and start, it's like there doesn't have
to be a mandate on how to play and or
raise twenty two year old quarterbacks. So if they go
with McCarthy, then that means they feel because they you know,
(27:56):
they want to win every game and they want to
win a Super Bowl desperately. But you don't find success
the way Kevin has by looking at every game or
every season, like you have to be reminded, well, you
do know there's a game next week, Well, you do
know the NFL is going to have a season next year,
so there's no pressure to force anything either. Yeah, like
(28:19):
the owner for the Cleveland Browns, And I don't know
if this is public or not, but whatever, it's my
belief that Jimmy Haslam kind of has a low key
mandate with that bit that I want to see these
kids before the year's over. Gabriel and or Shador. Now,
be careful what you wish for when you want to
see Shador all right now. Now, Shador at times may
(28:44):
need to be reminded that he didn't fall in the
draft to where he did because his last name is
Sanders and people don't want to deal with his dad.
He fell where he did, and quite honestly, was lucky
he got drafted. The Browns did Shudorr Sanders a favor,
mark my words on that, because I don't think he
was going to get drafted. Maybe stept. Maybe he took
(29:08):
ninety four sacks in two years of Colorado ninety four sacks,
prop that's why you got drafted where he got drafted.
So Jimmy, be careful what you wish for if you
really want to see twelve with Gabriel, you know it's yeah,
he's Dylan Gabriel Man. I mean, we'll we'll see the
(29:28):
diminutive quarterback play himself out as the season moves on.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know how good he is. I don't know
how bad he is.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
But I think I think your approach is very fair.
But the just I'm not one who's going to be
like I want to see McCarthy because I know we're
going to be nine to eight with wentz Okay. Well,
if I had told you four fifths of the offensive
line would be down at Tottenham Hotspur and you were
going to be losing, and your quarterback has a bad
(29:55):
shoulder and you need him to go nine to nine
to win it to a guy who was suspended that day,
would you take that bet? Fools will lie, but they wouldn't.
All right, so it's my turn. We do need one
more break as well. I know is Michael Parsons absolutely
worth every penny and picks delivered?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I still think so we don't know what the We
haven't heard about the back until the losses started coming again,
and then the all all of a sudden, the back
and there was one moment we went out of the game. Uh,
the fan has learned they signed him for a four
year deal.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
And I didn't watch the Dallas game. It was one
twenty in the morning London.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yet fair enough. You know I wouldn't either if I
was over there, Yeah you would. Well, so it was
creed bad would But the most pubs stay opened a
four man.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That they do. Man, you can get anything you want,
you know. It was just the defense just did not
have It was awful.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It was as if they came in there, it's like
we're just gonna and Dallas had a really good game plan.
Dak was absolutely lights out and they had a really
good game plan of getting the ball out fast, which
is something you saw Wentz do against the Browns, something
that you should have saw more of Green Bay when
they played the Browns.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So I still think he is.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
But the problem if he's not this all world getting
two sacks three sacks every game, that doesn't mean it
was a bad deal because it's the long term. They've
opened a window that they think they can win a
big game yep, within the next three years. So get
back to me when the cap starts really ramping up
for him on the back side of this deal, Well,
they don't have any rings to show for it, then
(31:26):
I'll say it was a bad deal.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well stated final segment.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Next alrighty, don't forget to listen to the Minnesota Wild
tomorrow debuting against Saint Louis. Kevin Fallen is guiding nine
to Noon Tomorrow Wild Weekly Tonight with Tennabee and Kevin
(31:49):
Fallness featuring Kevin Gorg That's sweet and tomorrow Pat Mcalletty,
Michael Russo, Joe o'donald from Saint Louis, and Brett Blakemore
back at the head. Great job today, Bud, well done.
Thank you as Brett blake More and I'm Paul Allen.
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