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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Change the conversation with some games.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'd like that, and in fact, the opportunity is right
in front of us. On a Thursday, excellent excellent montage
choice by Mad Producer, the master mixer of the Monday Montage.
And here's how the montage meal was prepared. I schemed
r EM's Everybody Hurts. Nordos suggested the Larry Graham funk
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appeal of ain't no fun to me and that's all.
Off a third Minnesota Vikings loss, this time to the
world champion Eagles, it quickly hit me. The RM piece
Everybody Hurts may be a little overly dramatic, but hurt
is subjective, and football feelings definitely were hurt for some
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Vikings fans the way the champs left us Bank Stadium
with the money and good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
That for sure ain't no fun to me.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That for sure ain't no fun to us, you or
anybody other than those cheering for our demise, those who
thrive when we hurt, those who hear the happiness at
our Friday football feast. Covenants and hope everybody's football feelings
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are hurt, and that we suffer the slings and arrows
of outrageous mishaps. Yes, everybody hurts, but we get it.
You know that song lyrics like when your day is
long and the night the night is yours alone, when
you're sure you've had enough of this life, well hang on.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Probably in fact, definitely a little.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Over the top with those lyrics tying to a football game.
But as football feelings go, are the Minnesota Vikings holding
on for dear life this twenty twenty five season from
three to three and win loss win loss, win loss,
which means, just think of it this way.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Wentz nine for nine at.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Tottenham Hotspur to win it? Roses fourth pick six yesterday
to something called Jay Alex Hunt or j von Hargrave
two sacks in the first game of the season and
nonsense or JJ McCarthy win's the one at Soldier Field
all by himself. Then camp Muster a touchdown for the
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home opener against Atlanta. We haven't seen him since. In out,
in out, good bad, good bad, happy feelings, then down
trodden hearts. That's what middling teams do, and facts are
the Minnesota Vikings are a middling team yet to find
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offensive consistency and defensively, just when they fix some run
defense problems, old Jalen Hurts cuts loose with a perfect
passer rating. You think he didn't. Only other guy to
do that against the Minnesota Vikings was was Jared Goff
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when he played for the La Rams, you know during
that season which started by thinking, you know, it was
cool to have linebackers run with a young spry Cooper
Cup and or Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I always love that one.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, that was a perfect passer rating that night for
old Jay Goff and his five touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Nordo made a really good point on fan Line yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
If the pass is on target to TJ Hawkinson, it's
a touchdown, Yeah, and no need for a superman leap
and or reversal. The point was Wentz's accuracy with respect
was the worst it has been since donning the colors
and definitely actored into the loss.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Good Morning Mad producer, Good Morning Carson.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wentz was as inaccurate as I have seen him, and
that tells a lot of the story of what happened yesterday.
We can dig into the frame by frame replay of
that catch. I think the ball did hit the ground
and then sadly it didn't come up with the touchdown.
So initially everyone's thinking TJ. Hawkinson can't make the big catch.
I need my QB to hit his receivers from an
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inaccuracy standpoint, from a decision making standpoint. At times yesterday
a lot left to be desired courtesy of Carson wentz
Addison early on. We're lauding him in the great catch
he made near the sideline. It's potentially a touchdown if
he's thrown in stride. I'm still trying to figure out
what the second interception was supposed to be or what
he thought he could get out of that. Too much
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air under the ball, not enough juice on the throw,
and Macouba is able to track back and make it
easy interception. How about CJ Hamm and the flat You
know a lot of play calling related conversation and talkers
taking place via the text and the talkback machine yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Pa.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I imagine we're going to get some of it today,
but I want people to genuinely TV copy. It's not
about all twenty two. Just watch that game back if
you have a chance, and you will see we can
nitpick needed to run here, needed to do this there.
Certainly that happens in every single game. The options were
there the scheme in the red zone was fantastic. We're
snapping it over people's heads. Questionable holding call as it was.
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That's a thing that happened. The ineptitude in the red zone,
the inaccuracy of our quarterback yesterday led to us deciding
whether we're going everybody hurts or we're going ain't no fun.
All applicable on a Monday morning after that game yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Fairly laid out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Tough for me to leave this conversation not thinking permitting
somebody a perfect passer rating and three touchdowns. Yeah on
three hundred and twenty six passing yards is not the
a topic from the game.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's part of it. It's one of men. Cow wow, wow,
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's crazy though because in some ways it kind of
feels that Flores just said, here's the deal. Okay, Saquon,
you will not be a factor in this game.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Two point carry. We are wiping you off the board.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It was a conversation at the feast in the rowdy Monticello,
and that happened, but just little issues where how is
Josh Montellis? How is Josh mantelis set to go one
on one? And I know it started zone. You guys
mentioned second chance passing. AJ Brown gets behind Mittelis guys
putting tough spots.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Isaiah Rodgers. The season that's he's.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Had, it felt like in at least a couple occasions,
they went at their former teammate, They went at the
guy that they used to love and used to have
in their locker room, and they found ways to win there.
And and I mean DeVante Smith every single time he
plays the Minnesota Vikings, it's like he sets a new
personal career milestone. Yesterday being as good as it's ever been,
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nine for a buck eighty three and that seventy nine
yard tdo just.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The quicksand was pulling us in man, And you're right,
You're right.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
One of the many a topics I think in this
game is how on earth Jalen Hurts had a perfect
passer rating in an easy, breezy three hundred yard three
touchdown day against the Purple Mmmm?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
See everybody Hurts?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
How that we do sometimes that that was an incomplete
pass to TJ and it was not holding on Brandell
on the nailor touchdown. But I ain't going to get
after Bill Vinovich's crew. I happen to think he is
the best referee in the NFL and his staff is
the most consistent in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You see, even.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
In a single game, the tumultuous nature of this middling team.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, it's even during the course of a single
game the the win, lose, win, lose, win.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Lose, it's it's yes, touchdown TJ or Naylor two No
oh no td tj or nailor.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I always love that one.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The middling aspect of the whole presentation right now even
takes place during a single game. The Bears won, the
Packers won, and the Lions play tonight, l and copyright
the common man. If the NFC North is the best
division in football, we indeed are the lousiest of the best,
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because the Minnesota Vikings are a last place Operation Elle
heading into the seventh game of the season, that's Thursday night.
It's so far and against the Chargers, who must hear
coach Jim Harbaugh in the locker room after yesterday's game
yelling who has it better than us?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Everyboddy?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, the Chargers have lost three of their last four.
The victory in the victory, they almost lost to awful
Miami and just were blown out at home against the
Indianapolis Colts Thursday seven. The dan isn't a football game.
It's a war of attrition. As Nordos said earlier, talkbacks,
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Speaker 1 (09:30):
First each of ten.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Finchy tomorrow at nine and Quasi quasy a doopha mensa
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Speaker 1 (09:44):
Short week planning though.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Ho f win loss win, loss, win loss, Well, I
mean patterns like that just always stay true, right, which
means Thursday is absolutely a win right only. I will
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The time of year.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Denver radio montages may include the lyrics don't call it
a comeback, I've been here for years.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Snap placement, kick on the way it is good, brockgo.
Players celebrating like they just won a home playoff game
in most improbable fashion.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Did Jackson dart for the New York Giants muster five
touchdowns yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I know he threw for four.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I thought I thought it was two and two, two
and two, so okay, because he ran he ran for
a couple.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
O leak ow.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yes, I don't believe he threw a pick six, so
we couldn't count it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The weird way to go there. Serious that have to
happen on ain't no fun to me. I can't. I
can't get it out of my head.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He threw for three, he did run, he ran for one,
so a total of four. Sorry, he was three and one.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Holy cow, your Bronx thirty three fourth quarter points. Yeah,
thirty three fourth quarter points to run down a pesky
Giants team that after being shut out the first three frames.
Anti Vike was shut out the first three frames, then
came storming like a Rozzie on the outside. Bow Knicks,
by the way, and I'm not being hyperbolic with this,
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if only for a game, if only for a comeback,
bow Knicks looked like John Elway during the don't call
it a comeback and the Anti Vike Sean Payton called
some of the coolest, meanest plays I can recall.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
During said don't call it a comeback.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well done Denver Broncos and well done Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It kicks up the middle, powering to the ends. He
cross that door line touch.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
He did great Bay Packers, head up Packers into the lead.
He can't talk that way and take it seriously.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
The Sultan enters the conversation around eleven forty five, The
necessary evil about eleven forty five. Arizona makes everyone sweat
and never wins. They make every single team they play
sweat right down to the last drop, right down to
the wire, and they never win. That includes Matt Laflour,
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coach of the Packers, who late was going to try
a field goal, very very late. Field goal teams out
there backup kicker hit from like sixty one earlier, feeling
good about themselves.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
He's good.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He trots out the field goal unit to tie the game,
and then he says, nah, pulls those guys off the
field and puts the off fence out there, showing supreme
confidence in his quarterback Jordan Love, who wasn't having a
great day. That led to a first down hit to
Tucker Craft. Then Josh Jacobs ran in his second and
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did so a day they sacked Jacoby Brissett six times.
Josh Jacobs, by the way, has multiple touchdowns three consecutive games.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's very, very nice.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They took down Jacoby Brissett six times, and the Micah
Parsons Project copyright Wayne Laravie was making hit after hit
after hit. Gutsy win by the Border Rivals.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
He can't and there was a late drive there where
they they took him off just to catch his breath
for one play. Super productive play, I believe by Arizona.
They throw number one back in there immediately just dominates
Jonah Williams on the right side and crushes Jacoby Brissett.
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I feel, you know, from a backup quarterback standpoint. Cool
career for Jacoby Prissett played for multiple teams sadly due
to injury. He's gotten a lot of opportunities, so I
guess positive for him. That guy takes some of the
worst hits I've ever seen. He went head on with
the corner yesterday. Yeah, thinking he was a running back.
Lost that battle big time.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's a good win for Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
K nine guy Keishawn Nixon and Nate Hobbs. Hat Knobbs,
Nate Hobbs, They're coming back to the pack in a hurry.
So when that happens, you better get six sacks. You
better find a way to eke out a victory, and
they did. It happened to be the first road win
for the Green and Gold this year, a team that
improved before one and one.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I never.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know what's weird and kind of sucks. We have
fewer wins than these guys.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
First down and goal from the three, Young under center,
the step to fake the Hubbert right now, Young rolls
back to his left eyes up. Young throws and so
dived cats Ley keep touchdown.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Carolina Xavier le get out there scoring touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What and yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
We have fewer wins than the Carolina Panthers. That ain't
great for business. Carolina's won four times? Why?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Father, Why?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
At least the wild are is hot?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Two the Forrester three on two, fresh off the bench,
Caprisop trying to get back hate through the thought has.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
A lady storys Noah, cats Winds liars for mail two
on it overtime. The CAP's loss was mind boggling.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And Saturday, another Philadelphia squad foiled one of our professional teams.
Our beloved Christmas Colors are at the Rangers tonight looking
to turn all the frowns upside down. And it's on
Kfan starting about the six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
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Speaker 1 (17:12):
He's a new free to midfield down the sideline your side.
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Thirty twenty ten to five, diving out of balls or
just short at the one. P. J.
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right the nullifying of Nebraska, the quarterback Drake Lindsay. One
side is like, holy cow. Drake Lindsay went sixteen of twenty,
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didn't throw a pick, and he looked awesome. The other
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and didn't throw a pick and looked awesome. And we
have a young, high end quarterback here, which means we
will lose him in the portal at some point of
the equation and that's super special. And finally, we have
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a game seven in the American League Championship Series tonight.
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That should be elite drama.
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Speaker 2 (19:34):
I guess, and just quickly close circuit of the talkbackers
who have been kind enough to jump into the free
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You can't get to them?
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Speaker 1 (20:02):
Excellent.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So so keep the talkbacks coming. We're gonna we're gonna
jump into them. The number if you were to sum
up the entire game into one statistic, like if we
were doing like Nordo's numbers style or whatnot, the statistic
that I would choose, well, it's an easy one, one
of six, one of six in the red zone yesterday.
And we kind of laid it out a little bit
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in the open in terms of you know, holding penalty
that wasn't a holding penalty here, a catch that wasn't
kind of wished that it would have been. Could it
have been a more accurate pass, et cetera. In the end,
one of six, and even kind of had to get
a little cutesy with that one with Mason in the
direct snap gets it to the pylon or near the pylon,
I should say, took the review assistance. One that went
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in our favor Mason with his fourth rushing touchdown of
the year.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But one of six.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Anything that you saw alongside Pete throughout the call yesterday,
where you were watching and you were just scratching your
head the way that all of us were in terms
of what happened or in more importantly, what didn't happen
in the red zone yesterday, the Vikings not finding their
way there.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, you know, I wish I could answer that coachingly,
but I have not watched a lot of that part
of the game.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Back I was watching the Vikings pass defense.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Where if I were to offer up some Nordo numbers,
Nordo numbers are provided by.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The good people at Zone Coverage Zone coverage dot Com,
Tom and everybody, thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
First and foremost, one number would be zero, and that
would be the amount of times the Philadelphia Eagles executed
plays inside the twenty, inside the red zone. They were
inside the twenty zero times. I always love that one,
and they still.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Won the game. Ah.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Speaking of the number zero that's worn by Ivan Pace Junior,
who played all of zero defensive snaps yesterday, another Nordo
number I would offer up would be one five eight
point three. That is a perfect passer rating in the
National Football League.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
The Vikings permitted one.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
For the second time in the history of the franchise
yesterday to Jalen Hurts one fifty eight point three. I
mean the first touchdown to AJ Brown. I don't know
if we're supposed to double team Dallas Goddard in the
middle of the field or if the safety should have
been over there, maybe helping another safety try to run
with AJ Brown. How can we possibly know? We're not
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elite defensive coordinating minds, but I would imagine forty four
and eleven for a long part of the field probably
was not the plan.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
What's really frustrating with that play is just think like
football in a park or football when you get to
your friends and family members together on Thanksgiving and before
you settle in for the eleven thirty four field game.
You guys play pick up football, or maybe you're out
in the street as children playing pickup football. The quarterback
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always points somebody in street ball, like, go go that way. Yeah, well,
that's exactly what Jalen Hurts did to AJ Brown. I
always love that one. I mean, the rush was so
impotent that he was able to bounce around, point to
his guy and just say go right.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's so streetball ish.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
It's so effective when you got a safety on a
guy like that. But but I mean, then you watch
that play back and I'm like, Dallas, I mean Dallas
Turner man one on one with Lane Johnson. I mean,
Lane's good. Lane has been is and will be one
of the better right tackles in the National Football League.
But it's like three quarters of the way through the play,
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Dallas stopped playing.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, he just stopped playing. I don't know if you
thought the play was over whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And man, he got close to Jalen Hurts too, And
that was right after Jalen wins streetball on it and
pointed to A. J. Brown and said he numbers in
the forties generally don't play corner, so I'd like to
see you run and run fast touchdown Eagles. Another final
Nordo number from yours early would be eighteen, number eighteen,
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and the idea what eighteen has to do with with
Nordo's numbers.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Well, I'm immediately thinking Justin Jefferson. I'm immediately thinking Jets
and thinking another productive game. Would have liked him to
come down with that ball in the end zone on
the fade the second in one play like the six.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, but all accounts like, I'm not I'm not looking
at JJ in a negative light or Justin Jefferson. Yeah,
what are we thinking about with the number eighteen?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, and when and off topic from number eighteen for
a second, the way I'm gonna use it here, when
you and Ron were not talking about or Ron talking
about National Football League officials committing felonies and fixing games
actual for financial actually for financial profit, the points you
were making about the accuracy or lack thereof with Carson
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Wentz just triggered my mind to open up to a
bunch of different things.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
You were talking about TJ.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Hawkinson back center of the end zone, and it's like,
if the pass is just accurate, there's no need for
Superman stuff and there's no need for reversal terrorism.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I'm like, hey, very good point.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Then I started thinking about some other shots, some throws
that were down by the goal line or in the
end zone, and and like there was one fifteen feet
over Nailor's head to the east side of US Bank Stadium.
Then down by the two front right of the end
zone west side of the US Bank Stadium, there was
one to Jefferson where he broke open and there was
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a misfire. So that that completely played into that accuracy
bit you talked about in the open and yesterday are
adroitly on a Vikings fan line.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But the number eighteen involves this.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's the number of snaps Javon Hargrave played yesterday. A
big people get tired. We understand that. We understand that
old people get tired. I can understand that because I'm
old people, Javon a and old people. Eighteen snaps, Wow,
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eighteen snaps fewer. Now Jalen Redmond is out playing everybody
on the Minnesota Vikings defensive line. Levi Drake Rodriguez played
more snaps yesterday than Javon Hargrave. I mean, I don't
know what's going on with that I mean, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose.
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All we do is win, lose, win, lose, win, lose,
matter what, no, matter what I mean. It played into
the yes two sacks on opening night, and then after that.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Eighteen snaps. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So zero one, fifty eight point three and eighteen I
got some order number. I got another one for you,
fifty five zero. Are you using fifty?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Uh No, I don't. I don't have to use fifty.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Now that's the that's the amount of snaps played yesterday
by Harry the hit Man.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You played the whole game, played the entire game, made
some nice open field tackles too.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Harry the hit Man go crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He played all fifty snaps in the l to the
Philadelphia Eagle.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You sparked a bunch of a bunch of my talkers
through that with your numbers, and I do want to
go back to one of them.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What about the talkbacks? The talkbacks? I'm just teasing still
in flux.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Because I can see your face or is it audio?
But I think it's radio that provides audio, and I
see your countenance, which becomes that of confusion and and
or consternation.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Do you ever just want things to work.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Do you ever just want like you know, we look
at in the context of football early on before the
snap over the head.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
First of all, I just need the snap to work.
Snap over the head, though.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Can I have Can I just count on the snap
in the red zone, like when I say, hey, use
talkbacks please, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
iHeartRadio app. I just want the page to load.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Similarly, I see Addison wreaking pre snap wide open. He's
gonna move the chains if not get into the end zone,
and Carson just throws it right into the dirt four
yards away from him. I just need to count on
that pass being an option and being hit with number
zero with Ivan Pace.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We had mentioned this in throughout.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
The week, PA that Okay, so Cashman's gonna come back,
but I think Eric Wilson provided some stability in the
middle and Ivan Pace maybe some mistackles.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Wesson was their leading tackler into yesterday's game.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
And and he is sacked yesterday, so he was, once again,
for the most part, very productive.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Now, he did also have.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
A moment where in zone he kind of took the
cheese on Goddar in front of him, and then DeVante
Smith's good for twenty right over the top of his head.
Felt like Davante was just eating up that zone. But
number zero in particular, to go from playing every snap
to playing zero snaps. Did you see that coming or
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maybe were we leaning to it mentally the right there
throughout the week where this tandem of Eric Wilson and
Blake Cashman, now that he's healthy, Wilson kind of played
himself into that spot and now Ivan is probably going
to have to do a lot of catch up to
find himself back on the field and defensive situations.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, I think the I think the instincts, the instinctive
nature of the way nine to Noon took it last
week kind of laid the metaphorical seeds out in front
of everybody if you listened closely and read between the
lines to the way I slash we were talking. It
just felt like with Blake Cashman coming back and Ivan
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Pace Junior on the wrong visually for all of us
to see on the wrong side of a few things
during the course of the year. But then as you
watch it back more critically, you see some more things
that well, let's just I mean, in part, let's just
think DK metcap Dublin.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I always love that one.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So how it's my belief was it will fall off.
I don't know how how much it's going to fall off.
And then I saw Eric Wilson's mom on the sideline
before the game, and I'm like, I think it just zero,
just completely fell off the clip Mom's here, which means me,
momm ain't here with the sideline pass in the suite
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area to the right of the tunnel as you head
out to the field, and the less five to five
playing the whole game.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
So at the Mikes Bikes, I'm mom at the At
the beginning of Ikes Bikes, they said, in some ways,
could you sum up the entire game to the one
of six in the red zone, And if you're looking
at box scores and stats and ultimately the score line,
I think that's pretty fair.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
No, I wouldn't say the whole game. I mean, because
hole goes to one hundred out of the one hundred percent.
The I just really really don't want the aberration. Well,
it's an aberration until it's not unless Herbert rolls out
here and goes for four hundred and Keenan Allen does
what he does to us every single time gets like
one hundred and fifty receiving yards twenty targets might even
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throw a touchdown pass to Mike Williams.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's the Vikings pass defense meshed with their rush, the
rush to cover a bit with or without Gink better
with Van Ginkle, but it you know, it falls off
a little bit in certain areas and metrics.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Without Van Ginkle.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know who's a vital member of this defense, obviously,
it's when when somebody hangs a one to fifty eight
three on you.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I mean that I don't you can people can? You can?
People can? They can?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
They can take whatever percentage of the loss they feel
that is.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
It's some type of a major percentage.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, because the run defense had been leaky and they
tightened it up, so then something else got leaky.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, plugging holes in the dam.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
But I mean it's not just plugging holes in the dam.
It's it's like trying to stay afloat with those animals
on Noah's Ark. I mean, it's one fifty eight and three,
it's three and zero, it's three hundred change. It's bouncing
around in the pocket and pointing to people like you're
on at Newport Beach play and Sam football. So that, yeah,
that's really starting to bug me right now. Well, probably
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just need to take a back seat.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But that's where I was going with a PA, because yes,
the one is six matters a ton to that end.
Where you went with it is also one hundred percent
correct in the regard that the second chance I think
Pete used this term second chance passing, and you kind
of bugged me when you started mentioning Dallas Turner. There
were three or four times yesterday, PA where I just
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watched him. He's got the initial move. He's trying to
effectively bull rush Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson ain't new to
the show, and he's been doing this at a high
level for a long time. He's not new to the
jat he swallowed him up and as soon as the
initial push didn't work, and I'm not trying to put
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this on the kid, it looks on tape like he
just gave up, like he was no longer participating in
the play. I think about it like if you ever
watched like an action movie and you have like a
big time like medieval battle scene and in the background,
if you pay attention closely, there's just like a couple
of extras just purouetting around just to be on camera
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and hope they get on the credits. That kind of
felt like Dallas Turner on a few occasions. Yesterday dominant
dominated by Lane Johnson. But after that initial push, I
just didn't see the next step. What was the next chance,
the next decision to try and get to the QB
and part of that without Van Ginkel, it led to
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the second chance opportunities, which leads to the street ball. Now,
me playing street ball as a kid, I'd point, you know,
go go go deep, and he'd be like a block away.
I can only get it like halfway there. But Jalen
Hurts just pointing to his guy. It starts out, it
looks like they're just trying to fit in the zone
and Mattellus is on him and he just points to
him and suddenly he's fifteen yards ahead of him and
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it's an easy touchdown. This second chance opportunity, because of
our lack of pass rush, indeed, is certainly an a
topic and Yesday's.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Lost, I mean, the one touchdown from six tries inside
the twenty is also antithetical to even during an inconsistent
season with Minnesota Vikings offense. I mean, we didn't score
a touchdown in the home opener, which is terrible for business.
And we went a long time yesterday without scoring a touchdown.
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And the team has a certain part of its identity
no matter the quarterback, that is meshed with offense, specifically
when Darisaw plays every snap and Hockinson gets what he
gets and Jefferson is arguably best in show and Addison
has had nothing but pop ever since he returned when
he plays, and he was big yesterday too, And now
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Nordo says that there was a play for a first
down or whatever could have been a big hit and
he was missed, so it even could have been bigger.
But it now is about putting a bow on the
l put that box and just throw it away and
move because Thursday's coming fast, and and the pass defense
for the Minnesota Vikings had been pretty upper echelon all season,
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no matter who's rushing the quarterback and why. The red
zone offense for the Minnesota Vikings had been and still
is rather high endish as the NFL goes with scoring
touchdowns inside the twenty. So yeah, I elevate that one
for six for sure to go with the one fifty
eight point three because they're supposed to be aberrations like
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the Vikings. After yesterday, they've scored fifty percent of touchdowns
on red zone trips. That's tied for fourth in the NFL.
Oh goodie, it's it's tied with the LA Chargers. Oh sweet,
But they're tied for fourth even after yesterday. They score
touchdowns inside the twenty one of every three times at
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home and two of every three times on the road.
What we got against Erotic City. I always love that one.
So those are two things in me imediately as we
start to you know, eventually segue to a sneak peek
at fresh meat, yes, which will be the LA Chargers.
It's so fine pass defense, all right, Herbert's good.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I like Hurts.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I like Herbert, but I like Hurts More and AJ
Brown and DeVante Smith, I and Keenan Allen, lad mcconkee,
Quinton Johnston.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well, I got some high end of them too, man.
I got these Keenan Allen numbers here. Oh, I mean
I started. I started on Keenan Allen last night.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
His last two against the Vikings fifteen catches, one hundred
and sixty eight yards to tds.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
That was last year with the Bears.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Two seasons before that, Flores first season here as defensive coordinator.
Twenty three, when Allen played for the LA Chargers, the
team with whom he came into the league, eighteen catches
two hundred and fifteen yards, but he didn't have any touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Why because he.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Threw one fifty yard er Mitt Williams or forty nine
I should say.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, the only touchdown pass of his career. Of course
it had to be against us. But he's still on
twenty targets, caught eighteen of them for two hundred and
fifteen yards twenty twenty three, well before that, eight catches
ninety eight yards, nine catches ninety nine yards, and his
debut against the Minnesota Vikings back in the Zimmer Days
twelve catches, one hundred and thirty three yards and two touchdowns.
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Keenan Allen is football immortality, and in six games against
the Vikings he averages ten catches a game and one
hundred and nineteen receiving yards a game. Outside of Jamier
Gibbs in a smaller sample size, I challenge anybody to
find somebody who over the course of six games in
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a decade has torched the Minnesota Vikings the way Keenan
Allen has. Wow. So that plays into pass defense. Yeah,
with gink or sans Gank. The pass defense had been
mostly okay. Fell off the cliff yesterday. Red zone offense
top five in the NFL still is fell off the
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cliff yesterday.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It did for middling teams. That stays the same Thursday.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
For teams that look to get a dub and then
go to Ford Field and get a dub and then
come back home and beat the Ravens and try to
get a little something going here. They turned both of
those around on Thursday night. I guess we'll see daved.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Via fan line. I saw this a ton yesterday. A
lot of people frustrated. This is more nitpicking than grand
scheme type of stuff. But after the non catch too,
to Hawkinson, you're there, it's fourth and two. You can
kick that field goal, make it twenty eight, twenty two,
and then you have what two minutes and fifty some
seconds left, and then you can hopefully get a stop,
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get the ball back and go find a TD. I
love the presser and how Ko explained it because I'm
in favor of what he did, and that is well,
with the time that we have left, I'm sitting here
in the red zone. I can't guarantee that I'm going
to get back to the red zone if I can
get a touchdown here. I need a touchdown and then
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we can talk about the stop, use our timeouts and
find their way down. Rekord's good from sixty in our
own building, and therefore, obviously that next drive would require
less time. The only issue I have because they convert
the fourth down p I think it was Addison for five.
Wentz can't take that sack. Wentz can't take that sack
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on the next play. So suddenly, now what I believe
was the right decision by the head coach, we're now
kicking a field goal on the wrong side of the
two minute warning timeouts. Be damned, where were you guys
at in the midst of the action in terms of well,
where's rekerd? I think that they they're just going to
kick a field goal here, right They do not. Wentz
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takes the sack, clock goes down and it ends up
costing them about a minute a game time.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Oh yeah, I mean, and I believe it's isol We
wondered it during the game call is. I thought a
field goal made sense there because the time situation that
you laid out. Also, another thing that triggers with me
or yesterday did was when the Vikings got down to
the six and they added second in goal at the
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second and one at the six. Yeah, and it was
throw and throw and throw and throw, eventually hitting Jail
and Naylor for a touchdown. And there was a holding
call on Blake Brandell. That was just a bad call.
That's the only way to look at it. And again,
I'm not going to get after Bill Vinovich end or
his staff, and I think people who have followed my
career know I have no problem getting after referees and
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or officiating staffs.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Well, now I gotta find it if.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
They're inconsistent or if they just let the tom foolery
and the skullduggery of the moment and the lot the
loud nature of the crowd and they get nervous and
they just can't handle things. Well, then you know, like
certain referees, they get demoted to side judges, and that
happened just last year. I really hope somebody from the
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NFL offices is listening to us now on Sirius XM Radio,
Trey Blake and this staff are awful and the mistakes
they've made today are egregious.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
And if there's room in.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
The USFL, the XFL, or the Arena League, please send
them their post haste said.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That was the same staff last year on Thursday Night
Football that had three people looking right at Sam Darnold's
neck nearly getting broken back center of the end zone,
and none of them had the guts to throw a
flag at the end of the game. So anyway, Trey
got demoted and we haven't seen him all the year,
and that's totally fine. Vinovich is antithetical to that bill.
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You know, you talk to coaches about reps and they
generally don't have a lot of great things to say,
but their quick twitch on yeah, well, don't you remember
this or don't you remember that? It's they got other
things to think about. Vinevich and his staff do good work.
They do good work every single They're consistent with their calls,
and that staff is always around twelve thirteen, fourteen flags
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thrown a game, and that's really all people in the NFL,
like players and coaches, expect from a ref and or
officials consistency. If you're gonna do it like this, do
it one hundred straight times like that. Vinovich is like that,
all right, they missed a call. Brandell did not hold
the bee feeder, and it should have been a touchdown.
But you know, it got I think it got allued
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on fan line or it got loud somewhere where it's
like second to one from the sixth, third and one
from the six fourth, one from the sixth.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
We're not running the ball. Well.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
When you go back and look at those three specific plays,
I mean, if the Eagles were permitted to have fifteen
people on the field.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
They all would have been around the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I mean it was one of them was nine in
the box, another was eight, ended up being nine. And
that's just where it discretion becomes the better part of valor.
Some teams are like, yeah, we see what you're doing there,
and we are still so good with our running game,
we're going to run into it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Maybe that was the right answer.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Or you take what they give and you throw why
because you've thrown well from the minute this head coach
got here and I didn't really have that much of
a problem.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, and maybe we'll talk about this with Bursich. You've
heard me during Ko's time here, I've been one of
those guys like, are you kidding me? We're really like
an eighty percent throwing team on third and short, Like
we can't move guys back three feet six feet to
pick some of these up?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Are we making it too complicated at times? But here's
the deal, man, watch the game. That's when you complain
about play calling.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
There's so many different things that go into it, and
I'm hesitant to do it in the first place.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I need more running game out of this mix.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
I thought they're that first drive of the third quarter,
they were finding their way nicely around the outside, pushing
Jordan Mason really productive runs, and I liked that and
I wanted to see more of that in yesterday's game.
But people were open, man. I mean the coach schemed
guys open. The coach schemed CJ Ham inside the ten
for an easy seven or eight yard game if you're
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out the doorstep, and we can complain about running there
justin Jefferson fifty to fifty with Cooper Degen. Degene has
a right to make a good play. Jefferson's gonna catch
that nine out of ten times, we can move on
with our lives. Hit Hawkinson so he doesn't have to dive.
How about Addison in the flat? How about Addison wide open?
Probably a runaway touchdown, but he has to make a
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circus grab near the sideline. Hit the freaking guys that
are open. How about that the coach is scheming these
guys open. We need to find them so in a
vacuum running the ball or talking and digging into the
minutia of the run game as it pertains to yesterday.
I just don't think it's valid. That's where I'm at
with that. But I know we got a break. We're
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behind it. Pete Bursich, I'm already in connection with him.
He's gonna join us next. But thanks to Thousand Hills,
that's Vices Bites nine to noon, and there's there's much.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
More to share with that.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Like you know, we've seen Mason and Xavier Scott x
amount of snaps over x amount of games now, and
they both have they both belong doing what they do okay,
But with all due respect, ain't neither one of them
running away from anybody. Aaron Jones runs away from people,
and he may be running away from kohlil Mack and
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some other people like Derwin James on Thursday Night, Let's Go.
We'll learn more about that as the week, as the
week is negotiated. The analyst Pete Persage, courtesy of Soup
Cup Manufacturing, joins nine to New Next on KFA N
Change the conversation with some games.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'd like that, and in fact, the opportunity is right
in front of us. On a Thursday, excellent excellent montage
choice by Mad Producer, the master mixer of the Monday Montage.
And here's how the montage meal was prepared. I schemed
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appeal of ain't no fun to me and that's all.
Off a third Minnesota Vikings loss, this time to the
world champion Eagles, it quickly hit me. The RM piece
Everybody Hurts may be a little overly dramatic, but hurt
is subjective, and football feelings definitely were hurt for some
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Vikings fans the way the champs left us Bank Stadium
with the money and good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
That for sure ain't no fun to me.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That for sure ain't no fun to us, you or
anybody other than those cheering for our demise, those who
thrive when we hurt, those who hear the happiness at
our Friday football feast. Covenants and hope everybody's football feelings
(01:17):
are hurt, and that we suffer the slings and arrows
of outrageous mishaps. Yes, everybody hurts, but we get it.
You know that song lyrics like when your day is
long and the night the night is yours alone, when
you're sure you've had enough of this life, well hang on.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Probably in fact, definitely a little.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Over the top with those lyrics tying to a football game.
But as football feelings go, are the Minnesota Vikings holding
on for dear life this twenty twenty five season from
three to three and win loss win loss, win loss,
which means, just think of it this way.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Wentz nine for nine at.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Tottenham Hotspur to win it? Roses fourth pick six yesterday
to something called Jay Alex Hunt or j von Hargrave
two sacks in the first game of the season and
nonsense or JJ McCarthy win's the one at Soldier Field
all by himself. Then camp Muster a touchdown for the
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home opener against Atlanta. We haven't seen him since. In out,
in out, good bad, good bad, happy feelings, then down
trodden hearts. That's what middling teams do, and facts are
the Minnesota Vikings are a middling team yet to find
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offensive consistency and defensively, just when they fix some run
defense problems, old Jalen Hurts cuts loose with a perfect
passer rating. You think he didn't. Only other guy to
do that against the Minnesota Vikings was was Jared Goff
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when he played for the La Rams, you know during
that season which started by thinking, you know, it was
cool to have linebackers run with a young spry Cooper
Cup and or Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I always love that one.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, that was a perfect passer rating that night for
old Jay Goff and his five touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Nordo made a really good point on fan Line yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
If the pass is on target to TJ Hawkinson, it's
a touchdown, Yeah, and no need for a superman leap
and or reversal. The point was Wentz's accuracy with respect
was the worst it has been since donning the colors
and definitely actored into the loss.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Good Morning Mad producer, Good Morning Carson.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wentz was as inaccurate as I have seen him, and
that tells a lot of the story of what happened yesterday.
We can dig into the frame by frame replay of
that catch. I think the ball did hit the ground
and then sadly it didn't come up with the touchdown.
So initially everyone's thinking TJ. Hawkinson can't make the big catch.
I need my QB to hit his receivers from an
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inaccuracy standpoint, from a decision making standpoint. At times yesterday
a lot left to be desired courtesy of Carson wentz
Addison early on. We're lauding him in the great catch
he made near the sideline. It's potentially a touchdown if
he's thrown in stride. I'm still trying to figure out
what the second interception was supposed to be or what
he thought he could get out of that. Too much
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air under the ball, not enough juice on the throw,
and Macouba is able to track back and make it
easy interception. How about CJ Hamm and the flat You
know a lot of play calling related conversation and talkers
taking place via the text and the talkback machine yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Pa.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I imagine we're going to get some of it today,
but I want people to genuinely TV copy. It's not
about all twenty two. Just watch that game back if
you have a chance, and you will see we can
nitpick needed to run here, needed to do this there.
Certainly that happens in every single game. The options were
there the scheme in the red zone was fantastic. We're
snapping it over people's heads. Questionable holding call as it was.
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That's a thing that happened. The ineptitude in the red zone,
the inaccuracy of our quarterback yesterday led to us deciding
whether we're going everybody hurts or we're going ain't no fun.
All applicable on a Monday morning after that game yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Fairly laid out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Tough for me to leave this conversation not thinking permitting
somebody a perfect passer rating and three touchdowns. Yeah on
three hundred and twenty six passing yards is not the
a topic from the game.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's part of it. It's one of men. Cow wow, wow,
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's crazy though because in some ways it kind of
feels that Flores just said, here's the deal. Okay, Saquon,
you will not be a factor in this game.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Two point carry. We are wiping you off the board.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It was a conversation at the feast in the rowdy Monticello,
and that happened, but just little issues where how is
Josh Montellis? How is Josh mantelis set to go one
on one? And I know it started zone. You guys
mentioned second chance passing. AJ Brown gets behind Mittelis guys
putting tough spots.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Isaiah Rodgers. The season that's he's.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Had, it felt like in at least a couple occasions,
they went at their former teammate, They went at the
guy that they used to love and used to have
in their locker room, and they found ways to win there.
And and I mean DeVante Smith every single time he
plays the Minnesota Vikings, it's like he sets a new
personal career milestone. Yesterday being as good as it's ever been,
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nine for a buck eighty three and that seventy nine
yard tdo just.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The quicksand was pulling us in man, And you're right,
You're right.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
One of the many a topics I think in this
game is how on earth Jalen Hurts had a perfect
passer rating in an easy, breezy three hundred yard three
touchdown day against the Purple Mmmm?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
See everybody Hurts?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
How that we do sometimes that that was an incomplete
pass to TJ and it was not holding on Brandell
on the nailor touchdown. But I ain't going to get
after Bill Vinovich's crew. I happen to think he is
the best referee in the NFL and his staff is
the most consistent in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You see, even.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
In a single game, the tumultuous nature of this middling team.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, it's even during the course of a single
game the the win, lose, win, lose, win.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Lose, it's it's yes, touchdown TJ or Naylor two No
oh no td tj or nailor.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I always love that one.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The middling aspect of the whole presentation right now even
takes place during a single game. The Bears won, the
Packers won, and the Lions play tonight, l and copyright
the common man. If the NFC North is the best
division in football, we indeed are the lousiest of the best,
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because the Minnesota Vikings are a last place Operation Elle
heading into the seventh game of the season, that's Thursday night.
It's so far and against the Chargers, who must hear
coach Jim Harbaugh in the locker room after yesterday's game
yelling who has it better than us?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Everyboddy?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, the Chargers have lost three of their last four.
The victory in the victory, they almost lost to awful
Miami and just were blown out at home against the
Indianapolis Colts Thursday seven. The dan isn't a football game.
It's a war of attrition. As Nordos said earlier, talkbacks,
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First each of ten.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Finchy tomorrow at nine and Quasi quasy a doopha mensa
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O'Connell on x's and o's also tomorrow at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Short week planning though.
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The time of year.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Denver radio montages may include the lyrics don't call it
a comeback, I've been here for years.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Snap placement, kick on the way it is good, brockgo.
Players celebrating like they just won a home playoff game
in most improbable fashion.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Did Jackson dart for the New York Giants muster five
touchdowns yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I know he threw for four.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I thought I thought it was two and two, two
and two, so okay, because he ran he ran for
a couple.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
O leak ow.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yes, I don't believe he threw a pick six, so
we couldn't count it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The weird way to go there. Serious that have to
happen on ain't no fun to me. I can't. I
can't get it out of my head.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He threw for three, he did run, he ran for one,
so a total of four. Sorry, he was three and one.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Holy cow, your Bronx thirty three fourth quarter points. Yeah,
thirty three fourth quarter points to run down a pesky
Giants team that after being shut out the first three frames.
Anti Vike was shut out the first three frames, then
came storming like a Rozzie on the outside. Bow Knicks,
by the way, and I'm not being hyperbolic with this,
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if only for a game, if only for a comeback,
bow Knicks looked like John Elway during the don't call
it a comeback and the Anti Vike Sean Payton called
some of the coolest, meanest plays I can recall.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
During said don't call it a comeback.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well done Denver Broncos and well done Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It kicks up the middle, powering to the ends. He
cross that door line touch.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
He did great Bay Packers, head up Packers into the lead.
He can't talk that way and take it seriously.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
The Sultan enters the conversation around eleven forty five, The
necessary evil about eleven forty five. Arizona makes everyone sweat
and never wins. They make every single team they play
sweat right down to the last drop, right down to
the wire, and they never win. That includes Matt Laflour,
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coach of the Packers, who late was going to try
a field goal, very very late. Field goal teams out
there backup kicker hit from like sixty one earlier, feeling
good about themselves.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
He's good.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He trots out the field goal unit to tie the game,
and then he says, nah, pulls those guys off the
field and puts the off fence out there, showing supreme
confidence in his quarterback Jordan Love, who wasn't having a
great day. That led to a first down hit to
Tucker Craft. Then Josh Jacobs ran in his second and
(14:16):
did so a day they sacked Jacoby Brissett six times.
Josh Jacobs, by the way, has multiple touchdowns three consecutive games.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's very, very nice.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They took down Jacoby Brissett six times, and the Micah
Parsons Project copyright Wayne Laravie was making hit after hit
after hit. Gutsy win by the Border Rivals.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
He can't and there was a late drive there where
they they took him off just to catch his breath
for one play. Super productive play, I believe by Arizona.
They throw number one back in there immediately just dominates
Jonah Williams on the right side and crushes Jacoby Brissett.
(15:00):
I feel, you know, from a backup quarterback standpoint. Cool
career for Jacoby Prissett played for multiple teams sadly due
to injury. He's gotten a lot of opportunities, so I
guess positive for him. That guy takes some of the
worst hits I've ever seen. He went head on with
the corner yesterday. Yeah, thinking he was a running back.
Lost that battle big time.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's a good win for Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
K nine guy Keishawn Nixon and Nate Hobbs. Hat Knobbs,
Nate Hobbs, They're coming back to the pack in a hurry.
So when that happens, you better get six sacks. You
better find a way to eke out a victory, and
they did. It happened to be the first road win
for the Green and Gold this year, a team that
improved before one and one.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I never.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know what's weird and kind of sucks. We have
fewer wins than these guys.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
First down and goal from the three, Young under center,
the step to fake the Hubbert right now, Young rolls
back to his left eyes up. Young throws and so
dived cats Ley keep touchdown.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Carolina Xavier le get out there scoring touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
What and yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
We have fewer wins than the Carolina Panthers. That ain't
great for business. Carolina's won four times? Why?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Father, Why?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
At least the wild are is hot?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Two the Forrester three on two, fresh off the bench,
Caprisop trying to get back hate through the thought has.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
A lady storys Noah, cats Winds liars for mail two
on it overtime. The CAP's loss was mind boggling.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And Saturday, another Philadelphia squad foiled one of our professional teams.
Our beloved Christmas Colors are at the Rangers tonight looking
to turn all the frowns upside down. And it's on
Kfan starting about the six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
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Speaker 1 (17:12):
He's a new free to midfield down the sideline your side.
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Thirty twenty ten to five, diving out of balls or
just short at the one. P. J.
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to noon weekly each and every Monday. Takes place about
the ten forty five this morning, and we are quite
excited about that. You know two ways to look at this,
right the nullifying of Nebraska, the quarterback Drake Lindsay. One
side is like, holy cow. Drake Lindsay went sixteen of twenty,
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didn't throw a pick, and he looked awesome. The other
side might be great Drake Lindsay went sixteen of twenty
and didn't throw a pick and looked awesome. And we
have a young, high end quarterback here, which means we
will lose him in the portal at some point of
the equation and that's super special. And finally, we have
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a game seven in the American League Championship Series tonight.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That should be elite drama.
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It's Seattle and George Kirby at Toronto and Shane Bieber.
Maybe Nordo will suggest a prize picks combo that includes
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on strikeouts. Game is at seven ten is tonight and
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Speaker 2 (19:34):
I guess, and just quickly close circuit of the talkbackers
who have been kind enough to jump into the free
iHeart Audio app to leave second to none takes and
opinions and talkers and Tedium Matt producer is what's going
on over there?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You can't get to them?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
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Speaker 1 (20:02):
Excellent.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So so keep the talkbacks coming. We're gonna we're gonna
jump into them. The number if you were to sum
up the entire game into one statistic, like if we
were doing like Nordo's numbers style or whatnot, the statistic
that I would choose, well, it's an easy one, one
of six, one of six in the red zone yesterday.
And we kind of laid it out a little bit
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in the open in terms of you know, holding penalty
that wasn't a holding penalty here, a catch that wasn't
kind of wished that it would have been. Could it
have been a more accurate pass, et cetera. In the end,
one of six, and even kind of had to get
a little cutesy with that one with Mason in the
direct snap gets it to the pylon or near the pylon,
I should say, took the review assistance. One that went
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in our favor Mason with his fourth rushing touchdown of
the year.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
But one of six.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Anything that you saw alongside Pete throughout the call yesterday,
where you were watching and you were just scratching your
head the way that all of us were in terms
of what happened or in more importantly, what didn't happen
in the red zone yesterday, the Vikings not finding their
way there.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, you know, I wish I could answer that coachingly,
but I have not watched a lot of that part
of the game.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Back I was watching the Vikings pass defense.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Where if I were to offer up some Nordo numbers,
Nordo numbers are provided by.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The good people at Zone Coverage Zone coverage dot Com,
Tom and everybody, thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
First and foremost, one number would be zero, and that
would be the amount of times the Philadelphia Eagles executed
plays inside the twenty, inside the red zone. They were
inside the twenty zero times. I always love that one,
and they still.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Won the game. Ah.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Speaking of the number zero that's worn by Ivan Pace Junior,
who played all of zero defensive snaps yesterday, another Nordo
number I would offer up would be one five eight
point three. That is a perfect passer rating in the
National Football League.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
The Vikings permitted one.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
For the second time in the history of the franchise
yesterday to Jalen Hurts one fifty eight point three. I
mean the first touchdown to AJ Brown. I don't know
if we're supposed to double team Dallas Goddard in the
middle of the field or if the safety should have
been over there, maybe helping another safety try to run
with AJ Brown. How can we possibly know? We're not
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elite defensive coordinating minds, but I would imagine forty four
and eleven for a long part of the field probably
was not the plan.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
What's really frustrating with that play is just think like
football in a park or football when you get to
your friends and family members together on Thanksgiving and before
you settle in for the eleven thirty four field game.
You guys play pick up football, or maybe you're out
in the street as children playing pickup football. The quarterback
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always points somebody in street ball, like, go go that way. Yeah, well,
that's exactly what Jalen Hurts did to AJ Brown. I
always love that one. I mean, the rush was so
impotent that he was able to bounce around, point to
his guy and just say go right.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's so streetball ish.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
It's so effective when you got a safety on a
guy like that. But but I mean, then you watch
that play back and I'm like, Dallas, I mean Dallas
Turner man one on one with Lane Johnson. I mean,
Lane's good. Lane has been is and will be one
of the better right tackles in the National Football League.
But it's like three quarters of the way through the play,
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Dallas stopped playing.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, he just stopped playing. I don't know if you
thought the play was over whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And man, he got close to Jalen Hurts too, And
that was right after Jalen wins streetball on it and
pointed to A. J. Brown and said he numbers in
the forties generally don't play corner, so I'd like to
see you run and run fast touchdown Eagles. Another final
Nordo number from yours early would be eighteen, number eighteen,
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and the idea what eighteen has to do with with
Nordo's numbers.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Well, I'm immediately thinking Justin Jefferson. I'm immediately thinking Jets
and thinking another productive game. Would have liked him to
come down with that ball in the end zone on
the fade the second in one play like the six.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, but all accounts like, I'm not I'm not looking
at JJ in a negative light or Justin Jefferson. Yeah,
what are we thinking about with the number eighteen?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, and when and off topic from number eighteen for
a second, the way I'm gonna use it here, when
you and Ron were not talking about or Ron talking
about National Football League officials committing felonies and fixing games
actual for financial actually for financial profit, the points you
were making about the accuracy or lack thereof with Carson
(24:59):
Wentz just triggered my mind to open up to a
bunch of different things.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
You were talking about TJ.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Hawkinson back center of the end zone, and it's like,
if the pass is just accurate, there's no need for
Superman stuff and there's no need for reversal terrorism.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I'm like, hey, very good point.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Then I started thinking about some other shots, some throws
that were down by the goal line or in the
end zone, and and like there was one fifteen feet
over Nailor's head to the east side of US Bank Stadium.
Then down by the two front right of the end
zone west side of the US Bank Stadium, there was
one to Jefferson where he broke open and there was
(25:38):
a misfire. So that that completely played into that accuracy
bit you talked about in the open and yesterday are
adroitly on a Vikings fan line.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But the number eighteen involves this.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's the number of snaps Javon Hargrave played yesterday. A
big people get tired. We understand that. We understand that
old people get tired. I can understand that because I'm
old people, Javon a and old people. Eighteen snaps, Wow,
(26:11):
eighteen snaps fewer. Now Jalen Redmond is out playing everybody
on the Minnesota Vikings defensive line. Levi Drake Rodriguez played
more snaps yesterday than Javon Hargrave. I mean, I don't
know what's going on with that I mean, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose.
(26:31):
All we do is win, lose, win, lose, win, lose,
matter what, no, matter what I mean. It played into
the yes two sacks on opening night, and then after that.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Eighteen snaps. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So zero one, fifty eight point three and eighteen I
got some order number. I got another one for you,
fifty five zero. Are you using fifty?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Uh No, I don't. I don't have to use fifty.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Now that's the that's the amount of snaps played yesterday
by Harry the hit Man.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You played the whole game, played the entire game, made
some nice open field tackles too.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Harry the hit Man go crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
He played all fifty snaps in the l to the
Philadelphia Eagle.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You sparked a bunch of a bunch of my talkers
through that with your numbers, and I do want to
go back to one of them.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What about the talkbacks? The talkbacks? I'm just teasing still
in flux.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Because I can see your face or is it audio?
But I think it's radio that provides audio, and I
see your countenance, which becomes that of confusion and and
or consternation.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Do you ever just want things to work.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Do you ever just want like you know, we look
at in the context of football early on before the
snap over the head.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
First of all, I just need the snap to work.
Snap over the head, though.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Can I have Can I just count on the snap
in the red zone, like when I say, hey, use
talkbacks please, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
iHeartRadio app. I just want the page to load.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Similarly, I see Addison wreaking pre snap wide open. He's
gonna move the chains if not get into the end zone,
and Carson just throws it right into the dirt four
yards away from him. I just need to count on
that pass being an option and being hit with number
zero with Ivan Pace.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We had mentioned this in throughout.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
The week, PA that Okay, so Cashman's gonna come back,
but I think Eric Wilson provided some stability in the
middle and Ivan Pace maybe some mistackles.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Wesson was their leading tackler into yesterday's game.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
And and he is sacked yesterday, so he was, once again,
for the most part, very productive.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Now, he did also have.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
A moment where in zone he kind of took the
cheese on Goddar in front of him, and then DeVante
Smith's good for twenty right over the top of his head.
Felt like Davante was just eating up that zone. But
number zero in particular, to go from playing every snap
to playing zero snaps. Did you see that coming or
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maybe were we leaning to it mentally the right there
throughout the week where this tandem of Eric Wilson and
Blake Cashman, now that he's healthy, Wilson kind of played
himself into that spot and now Ivan is probably going
to have to do a lot of catch up to
find himself back on the field and defensive situations.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, I think the I think the instincts, the instinctive
nature of the way nine to Noon took it last
week kind of laid the metaphorical seeds out in front
of everybody if you listened closely and read between the
lines to the way I slash we were talking. It
just felt like with Blake Cashman coming back and Ivan
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Pace Junior on the wrong visually for all of us
to see on the wrong side of a few things
during the course of the year. But then as you
watch it back more critically, you see some more things
that well, let's just I mean, in part, let's just
think DK metcap Dublin.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I always love that one.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So how it's my belief was it will fall off.
I don't know how how much it's going to fall off.
And then I saw Eric Wilson's mom on the sideline
before the game, and I'm like, I think it just zero,
just completely fell off the clip Mom's here, which means me,
momm ain't here with the sideline pass in the suite
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area to the right of the tunnel as you head
out to the field, and the less five to five
playing the whole game.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
So at the Mikes Bikes, I'm mom at the At
the beginning of Ikes Bikes, they said, in some ways,
could you sum up the entire game to the one
of six in the red zone, And if you're looking
at box scores and stats and ultimately the score line,
I think that's pretty fair.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
No, I wouldn't say the whole game. I mean, because
hole goes to one hundred out of the one hundred percent.
The I just really really don't want the aberration. Well,
it's an aberration until it's not unless Herbert rolls out
here and goes for four hundred and Keenan Allen does
what he does to us every single time gets like
one hundred and fifty receiving yards twenty targets might even
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throw a touchdown pass to Mike Williams.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's the Vikings pass defense meshed with their rush, the
rush to cover a bit with or without Gink better
with Van Ginkle, but it you know, it falls off
a little bit in certain areas and metrics.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Without Van Ginkle.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know who's a vital member of this defense, obviously,
it's when when somebody hangs a one to fifty eight
three on you.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I mean that I don't you can people can? You can?
People can? They can?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
They can take whatever percentage of the loss they feel
that is.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
It's some type of a major percentage.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, because the run defense had been leaky and they
tightened it up, so then something else got leaky.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, plugging holes in the dam.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
But I mean it's not just plugging holes in the dam.
It's it's like trying to stay afloat with those animals
on Noah's Ark. I mean, it's one fifty eight and three,
it's three and zero, it's three hundred change. It's bouncing
around in the pocket and pointing to people like you're
on at Newport Beach play and Sam football. So that, yeah,
that's really starting to bug me right now. Well, probably
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just need to take a back seat.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But that's where I was going with a PA, because yes,
the one is six matters a ton to that end.
Where you went with it is also one hundred percent
correct in the regard that the second chance I think
Pete used this term second chance passing, and you kind
of bugged me when you started mentioning Dallas Turner. There
were three or four times yesterday, PA where I just
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watched him. He's got the initial move. He's trying to
effectively bull rush Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson ain't new to
the show, and he's been doing this at a high
level for a long time. He's not new to the
jat he swallowed him up and as soon as the
initial push didn't work, and I'm not trying to put
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this on the kid, it looks on tape like he
just gave up, like he was no longer participating in
the play. I think about it like if you ever
watched like an action movie and you have like a
big time like medieval battle scene and in the background,
if you pay attention closely, there's just like a couple
of extras just purouetting around just to be on camera
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and hope they get on the credits. That kind of
felt like Dallas Turner on a few occasions. Yesterday dominant
dominated by Lane Johnson. But after that initial push, I
just didn't see the next step. What was the next chance,
the next decision to try and get to the QB
and part of that without Van Ginkel, it led to
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the second chance opportunities, which leads to the street ball. Now,
me playing street ball as a kid, I'd point, you know,
go go go deep, and he'd be like a block away.
I can only get it like halfway there. But Jalen
Hurts just pointing to his guy. It starts out, it
looks like they're just trying to fit in the zone
and Mattellus is on him and he just points to
him and suddenly he's fifteen yards ahead of him and
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it's an easy touchdown. This second chance opportunity, because of
our lack of pass rush, indeed, is certainly an a
topic and Yesday's.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Lost, I mean, the one touchdown from six tries inside
the twenty is also antithetical to even during an inconsistent
season with Minnesota Vikings offense. I mean, we didn't score
a touchdown in the home opener, which is terrible for business.
And we went a long time yesterday without scoring a touchdown.
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And the team has a certain part of its identity
no matter the quarterback, that is meshed with offense, specifically
when Darisaw plays every snap and Hockinson gets what he
gets and Jefferson is arguably best in show and Addison
has had nothing but pop ever since he returned when
he plays, and he was big yesterday too, And now
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Nordo says that there was a play for a first
down or whatever could have been a big hit and
he was missed, so it even could have been bigger.
But it now is about putting a bow on the
l put that box and just throw it away and
move because Thursday's coming fast, and and the pass defense
for the Minnesota Vikings had been pretty upper echelon all season,
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no matter who's rushing the quarterback and why. The red
zone offense for the Minnesota Vikings had been and still
is rather high endish as the NFL goes with scoring
touchdowns inside the twenty. So yeah, I elevate that one
for six for sure to go with the one fifty
eight point three because they're supposed to be aberrations like
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the Vikings. After yesterday, they've scored fifty percent of touchdowns
on red zone trips. That's tied for fourth in the NFL.
Oh goodie, it's it's tied with the LA Chargers. Oh sweet,
But they're tied for fourth even after yesterday. They score
touchdowns inside the twenty one of every three times at
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home and two of every three times on the road.
What we got against Erotic City. I always love that one.
So those are two things in me imediately as we
start to you know, eventually segue to a sneak peek
at fresh meat, yes, which will be the LA Chargers.
It's so fine pass defense, all right, Herbert's good.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I like Hurts.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I like Herbert, but I like Hurts More and AJ
Brown and DeVante Smith, I and Keenan Allen, lad mcconkee,
Quinton Johnston.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well, I got some high end of them too, man.
I got these Keenan Allen numbers here. Oh, I mean
I started. I started on Keenan Allen last night.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
His last two against the Vikings fifteen catches, one hundred
and sixty eight yards to tds.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
That was last year with the Bears.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Two seasons before that, Flores first season here as defensive coordinator.
Twenty three, when Allen played for the LA Chargers, the
team with whom he came into the league, eighteen catches
two hundred and fifteen yards, but he didn't have any touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Why because he.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Threw one fifty yard er Mitt Williams or forty nine
I should say.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, the only touchdown pass of his career. Of course
it had to be against us. But he's still on
twenty targets, caught eighteen of them for two hundred and
fifteen yards twenty twenty three, well before that, eight catches
ninety eight yards, nine catches ninety nine yards, and his
debut against the Minnesota Vikings back in the Zimmer Days
twelve catches, one hundred and thirty three yards and two touchdowns.
(37:26):
Keenan Allen is football immortality, and in six games against
the Vikings he averages ten catches a game and one
hundred and nineteen receiving yards a game. Outside of Jamier
Gibbs in a smaller sample size, I challenge anybody to
find somebody who over the course of six games in
(37:48):
a decade has torched the Minnesota Vikings the way Keenan
Allen has. Wow. So that plays into pass defense. Yeah,
with gink or sans Gank. The pass defense had been
mostly okay. Fell off the cliff yesterday. Red zone offense
top five in the NFL still is fell off the
(38:08):
cliff yesterday.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It did for middling teams. That stays the same Thursday.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
For teams that look to get a dub and then
go to Ford Field and get a dub and then
come back home and beat the Ravens and try to
get a little something going here. They turned both of
those around on Thursday night. I guess we'll see daved.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Via fan line. I saw this a ton yesterday. A
lot of people frustrated. This is more nitpicking than grand
scheme type of stuff. But after the non catch too,
to Hawkinson, you're there, it's fourth and two. You can
kick that field goal, make it twenty eight, twenty two,
and then you have what two minutes and fifty some
seconds left, and then you can hopefully get a stop,
(38:50):
get the ball back and go find a TD. I
love the presser and how Ko explained it because I'm
in favor of what he did, and that is well,
with the time that we have left, I'm sitting here
in the red zone. I can't guarantee that I'm going
to get back to the red zone if I can
get a touchdown here. I need a touchdown and then
(39:11):
we can talk about the stop, use our timeouts and
find their way down. Rekord's good from sixty in our
own building, and therefore, obviously that next drive would require
less time. The only issue I have because they convert
the fourth down p I think it was Addison for five.
Wentz can't take that sack. Wentz can't take that sack
(39:31):
on the next play. So suddenly, now what I believe
was the right decision by the head coach, we're now
kicking a field goal on the wrong side of the
two minute warning timeouts. Be damned, where were you guys
at in the midst of the action in terms of well,
where's rekerd? I think that they they're just going to
kick a field goal here, right They do not. Wentz
(39:52):
takes the sack, clock goes down and it ends up
costing them about a minute a game time.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Oh yeah, I mean, and I believe it's isol We
wondered it during the game call is. I thought a
field goal made sense there because the time situation that
you laid out. Also, another thing that triggers with me
or yesterday did was when the Vikings got down to
the six and they added second in goal at the
(40:18):
second and one at the six. Yeah, and it was
throw and throw and throw and throw, eventually hitting Jail
and Naylor for a touchdown. And there was a holding
call on Blake Brandell. That was just a bad call.
That's the only way to look at it. And again,
I'm not going to get after Bill Vinovich end or
his staff, and I think people who have followed my
career know I have no problem getting after referees and
(40:38):
or officiating staffs.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Well, now I gotta find it if.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
They're inconsistent or if they just let the tom foolery
and the skullduggery of the moment and the lot the
loud nature of the crowd and they get nervous and
they just can't handle things. Well, then you know, like
certain referees, they get demoted to side judges, and that
happened just last year. I really hope somebody from the
(41:01):
NFL offices is listening to us now on Sirius XM Radio,
Trey Blake and this staff are awful and the mistakes
they've made today are egregious.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
And if there's room in.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
The USFL, the XFL, or the Arena League, please send
them their post haste said.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That was the same staff last year on Thursday Night
Football that had three people looking right at Sam Darnold's
neck nearly getting broken back center of the end zone,
and none of them had the guts to throw a
flag at the end of the game. So anyway, Trey
got demoted and we haven't seen him all the year,
and that's totally fine. Vinovich is antithetical to that bill.
(41:45):
You know, you talk to coaches about reps and they
generally don't have a lot of great things to say,
but their quick twitch on yeah, well, don't you remember
this or don't you remember that? It's they got other
things to think about. Vinevich and his staff do good work.
They do good work every single They're consistent with their calls,
and that staff is always around twelve thirteen, fourteen flags
(42:06):
thrown a game, and that's really all people in the NFL,
like players and coaches, expect from a ref and or
officials consistency. If you're gonna do it like this, do
it one hundred straight times like that. Vinovich is like that,
all right, they missed a call. Brandell did not hold
the bee feeder, and it should have been a touchdown.
But you know, it got I think it got allued
(42:27):
on fan line or it got loud somewhere where it's
like second to one from the sixth, third and one
from the six fourth, one from the sixth.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
We're not running the ball. Well.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
When you go back and look at those three specific plays,
I mean, if the Eagles were permitted to have fifteen
people on the field.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
They all would have been around the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I mean it was one of them was nine in
the box, another was eight, ended up being nine. And
that's just where it discretion becomes the better part of valor.
Some teams are like, yeah, we see what you're doing there,
and we are still so good with our running game,
we're going to run into it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Maybe that was the right answer.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Or you take what they give and you throw why
because you've thrown well from the minute this head coach
got here and I didn't really have that much of
a problem.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, and maybe we'll talk about this with Bursich. You've
heard me during Ko's time here, I've been one of
those guys like, are you kidding me? We're really like
an eighty percent throwing team on third and short, Like
we can't move guys back three feet six feet to
pick some of these up?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Are we making it too complicated at times? But here's
the deal, man, watch the game. That's when you complain
about play calling.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
There's so many different things that go into it, and
I'm hesitant to do it in the first place.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I need more running game out of this mix.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
I thought they're that first drive of the third quarter,
they were finding their way nicely around the outside, pushing
Jordan Mason really productive runs, and I liked that and
I wanted to see more of that in yesterday's game.
But people were open, man. I mean the coach schemed
guys open. The coach schemed CJ Ham inside the ten
for an easy seven or eight yard game if you're
(44:08):
out the doorstep, and we can complain about running there
justin Jefferson fifty to fifty with Cooper Degen. Degene has
a right to make a good play. Jefferson's gonna catch
that nine out of ten times, we can move on
with our lives. Hit Hawkinson so he doesn't have to dive.
How about Addison in the flat? How about Addison wide open?
Probably a runaway touchdown, but he has to make a
(44:29):
circus grab near the sideline. Hit the freaking guys that
are open. How about that the coach is scheming these
guys open. We need to find them so in a
vacuum running the ball or talking and digging into the
minutia of the run game as it pertains to yesterday.
I just don't think it's valid. That's where I'm at
with that. But I know we got a break. We're
(44:51):
behind it. Pete Bursich, I'm already in connection with him.
He's gonna join us next. But thanks to Thousand Hills,
that's Vices Bites nine to noon, and there's there's much.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
More to share with that.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Like you know, we've seen Mason and Xavier Scott x
amount of snaps over x amount of games now, and
they both have they both belong doing what they do okay,
But with all due respect, ain't neither one of them
running away from anybody. Aaron Jones runs away from people,
and he may be running away from kohlil Mack and
(45:22):
some other people like Derwin James on Thursday Night, Let's Go.
We'll learn more about that as the week, as the
week is negotiated. The analyst Pete Persage, courtesy of Soup
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