#92Noon! 9a hour 10/24 - Greenway!

Hour one begins with Chad Greenway joining the show to talk about last nights Vikings Game, as well as the Gophers game on Saturday vs Iowa.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Things doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
In the eight.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Herbert goes back to pass, grows to.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
The end zone, and it's fun for a touchdown for.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
The LA Chargers, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
A Rondez Aston the second, a fifth round rookie tight
end for Syracuse has fun touchdowns in successive weeks, and
unofficially the Chargers are taking a six to zero.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
League, and you put it, there's one to two on
third down.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
This is a doozy third and eleven from their own
seventeen person wins black for the ball and against it,
goes back to pass and now he is stacked back.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
In the yard line.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Herbert under center hand off to the doll left side,
runs into a host of Vikings, putting your pounces off them,
and rolls into the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Touchdown LA Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
That is their first rushing touchdown of the twenty twenty
five season. Second and ten Herbert for the back two
is left out of the shotgun right side end zone.
Caught touchdown at Mconukee, who blue by Jeff Opuda like
he was tied to a post tighten in motion to

(02:12):
the left of Herbert. He rolls out to the right,
looking to the end zone. Now he's between the Ashmarks
flicks it to the end zone and it's pot touchdown
LA Chargers. That is Prey Harris, the Mississippi rookie with
his first National Football League touchdown reception. Herbert has thrown
three and the Chargers the thirty to ten.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Let's go back to pass rows a past ball on
the right side. That pass ball went right through a
number of the LA Chargers.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's an interception with a pass intended for Jefferson r.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Jane Mickens.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
That Clemson rookie picked it off and he returned at
fifteen yards just like that.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Six five one carpets plus studios. It's a beautiful Friday.
It's a Friday football famine in some ways based on
what took place last night. We're still gonna have fun.
I got the sunshine outside. I got a little sunshine
in studio with Chad Greenway at Chad Greenway five to.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Two via X.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
How you doing, man, man, I'm doing well. You know
what all we can do is the sun's out. The
sun came up this morning. It was an absolute grind
last night.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
I don't know if it's a famine, but man is
a tough It's tough sledding. Right now, you go out
west and you lay that thing out there, and there's
no there's no way to hide from it. You can't
excuse it away. It's just it's you laid an egg.
The thing you're looking at this football team is this
is not the football team that we signed up for.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Day one, right.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
No injuries have decimated this team offensively and defensively. Now,
it's not an excuse. It's just the reality of this league.
And sometimes it goes like that. And I'm excited to
see I'm very, very excited actually looking forward to this
next month.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Three divisional games, two on the road. What are we
made of? Yes?

Speaker 5 (04:05):
What are we made of? At the end of the day,
like you know, what do you you know? I know
this is this isn't you sports? As a talker last night? Right?
You know, glad they had fun. This is pro sports.
But I want to see what our football team has made.
I want to see what leaders step up and uh
and go go to Detroit and get to win.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
You think there were orange slices and maybe somewhere first of.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
All the slices last night in the locker, if I
can promise you that and the orange slice is an
underrated halftime snack.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's delicious, it's wonderful.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
I had every game, but after the game, the orange
slices didn't come back out. There wasn't There was no
popstickles after that thing.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Probably not. And frankly our favorite football team, well they
didn't earn them them throughout nine to noon today before
we dig deep into this, with which had Greenway, Gray Duck,
Great Duck Spirits. By the way, Green Vodka, Great Duck Seltzers.
There's probably some new bits going on with the with
the duck, so well that solves the problem too, by
the way, Great Ux spirit. To me, we were there

(05:01):
on a high, we're there on a low. I'll pull
you through all all moods, all moods, all moods, in moderation,
of course, responsibly. There's some sort of disclaimer I'm sure
part a part of that. But to you, the listener
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(05:23):
We still tried to roll until about twelve thirty or
one last night, but I heard did you.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Sleep, they got late, I got I got a couple hours.
Is this gonna be this is called the event line,
let's call it the vent line. Yes, this morning, let's
just go to that.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, going to get and the host, the host himself,
who returned to Minneapolis quite early this morning, like four
thirty ish or something like that, he's going to be
he's coming back. He's going to be in at eleven.
So we'll dig into it with the host. But but
to you, Jack, Chad Greenway, I kind of want to
start with this. As a former player, there has to
be a level of respect that you have.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Covening collapse is what we do. Nine to Dune.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Carson Wentz for Better or Worse is one of the
tough I mean, I don't I can't believe that.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
You know, you watch you watch him play last night
and obviously you know the camera focuses zooms right in
on the helmet, right you see the anguish and the
pain and what I was to me what's more impressive? Again,
we all know the story. He's bounced around high pick.
I mean, he is what he is right from a
quarterback perspective, but the way he approaches the lack of

(06:25):
excuses at the end of a game, He's like, no,
it wasn't affecting me. He didn't affect me on that throw.
It didn't affect me on the overthrow. It is what
it is. I made a mistake. I got to play better.
You can't run from this stuff that's going on. You
just got to lean into it. And like you know,
people that listen say, yeah, he's saying he's got to
say to get through the media and.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
The press conference.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Absolutely, because all you can do is take the next
step forward. And he knows he makes a mistakes. There's
nobody on planet Earth I want to make that throw
more than Carson Wentz. Yeah, you make a mistake, you
move on to reaction sport. But the fact that he's
not lean into yeah, I'm dealing with this thing. Look
how tough I am. He's just talking about anything beyond that.
And when it comes down to this team And I
love justin Jefferson's approach last night too, and the presser

(07:02):
was or in the locker room afterwards, is leaders got
to step up and this is his moment. He is
our superstar and he has acted like it in the
best way possible. He's been a team leader, he's been
a figurehead, he's the highest paid name all the things.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now is your time, it is it is, It is
the leader's time.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
It might be the kid QB's time.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I do want to get to that because as much
as I'm giving Covenant Collapse to Carson, the experience needs
to end. I mean, frankly, I mean they had to
peel him off the turf, and he's not going to
bring himself out of the game. For the sake of humanity,
Let's be humane to Carson and.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
In some ways save him from himself.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, you seen the Scott Sterling bit when he keeps
getting hit in the face of the volleyball repeatedly, over
and over and over again. He just he keeps saying,
that's Carson wentz last night, But we wanted to see,
you know who, I kind of wanted to see Brosemer.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
What was your what was your take on that last night?

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
My take as there were, Well, yeah, you know what,
we'll just dig into.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Am I jumping? Am I jumping the gun? No, it's
it's fine. So I'm neurotic and weird, and after a
decade plus I've known together for PA, I kind of
I write my notes out and I kind of try
to tell a story. Yeah, but this is good and
you and that's terrific. You're the guest and it's your
dealer's guest choice.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Here's the deal man.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Five rushing attempts in the first half disastrous.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't even carry. You're down fourteen three.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You had to establish a run against a team that
averaged a buck forty against them over the last five
at five eclip all were so excited to have showtime
back at Aaron Jones, and from the first snap with
a bad throw on a swing pass to him, forget
about it. So there were two third downs, third and
one at your own forty one. This is a team historically,

(08:49):
I've tried to chronicle it nine to noon several times.
You got to run the freaking ball this. At one
point it was twenty two or twenty three. There were
like a seventy percent passing team on third and three
or shorter. That's just not gonna work, and they it's
an incomplete pass. I'm third and one at the forty
one and they punt. I mean at that stage, like
if you're throwing it at that stage, that's gotta be

(09:09):
that's gotta be two play parties.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
So that was So that's part one.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Now I'm getting to the point where where you're talking
about Rosmar later on in the first half. It's the
third and two at the forty seven and it's a
pass play again and once again predictable as we are
in that in that regard, it's batted up in the air.
Carson Wentz can't lift his left arm. He can't lift

(09:33):
his left arm, man, and so he bats the thing
down and he's holding on to and and don't worry
Ryan Right's on to punt. Okay, So don't worry about that.
Vikings fans the plus sized punter getting his work in.
In my opinion, that's late stages. I don't have the
game clock, the play by play in front of me.

(09:53):
That was when the experience needed to end. And it's
not about hating on Carson Wentz, yep and and but
this that needed to be Max Brosmer for the remainder
of the game. And I am exceptionally disappointed that Brosmer
was effectively thrown I mean, well, not effectively. He was
thrown in with two minutes left. Low impact stuff. Just

(10:15):
get a couple of plays in, let's drill this clock out,
and let's let's go home unhappy and try to put
the pieces back together over the mini by Brosemer needed
to come in at that stage for me.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, And I think when you look at the running
game specifically you talk about that is when you don't
have confidence and the people, the five guys up front
and the tight end extension onto that because we had
you know, you lose Oliver again last night. Now you
have three starting, three old linemen that are now out.
I guess you guess you're running back back. But we
have to be on the same page and we have
to be able to block these things up, these looks
up and be confident and on a third and one,

(10:46):
on a third and two.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
That we're gonna go get that.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, And when you don't make that play call multiple times,
it's because you just don't have confidence and your guys
go get it done at the end of the day.
And and you know, you can talk about lack of creativity,
you can put us on the coaches fort of the players. Reality,
it just is what it is, and it didn't happen
when you get the first down. And I just don't
like this mentality of we're gonna we're gonna try to
make this throw. We incomplete, we're punting. It's like, I
feel like the mentality of it, we're gonna run this thing,

(11:10):
and then the mentality of do we need to go
for a fourth down to create an edge and create
some momentum on the road. Yes, again, backfire one hundred percent.
But sometimes you playing not to lose rather than to win.
It's a whole mentality. And again I'm not questioning Koc.
I mean he's done it for a long time and
done a good job at it. The reality is is
like when you have to look at the where the
mental state of your football team is, and you go
back to that with with Wentz, is when do you

(11:31):
pull the plug? And in Koc's pressure last night, he's
talking about how he know this is he's a pro.
We got he's gonna he's gonna get to call his
shot when he can no longer make the throw. Now
you have a you have a guy who's played on
what six teams the last six years. He wants to
go out and prove that he can play. Because he's playing,
he's basically playing for his NFL career, basically, so he's
not gonna at any point say coach, I'm done, pull me,

(11:53):
you know, tap the head and say I need a break.
He's just not gonna do it. So when he put
that in his hands, he you know, we know the
decision he's gonna make.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, and we heard it.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
They're in the presser last night. And that's the thing.
It's not about questioning Ko. Tons of respect for him,
love that he's our coach and all the good things
that he's done, and still so much, so much to
be done, frankly, but but to that, to that end
you mentioned it is he he talked about it in
his presser last night that he didn't feel like he
wanted to uh, let me see, let me find kind

(12:22):
of the paraphrase from my notes.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
He was worried about putting the rookie in.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
That tough spot and he thought, he said he thought
about it a few different times. Yeah, I wonder if
he thought about it while while did you see him
you were watching on the TV?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Right, yep?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
How about that shot? And it's not their fault, by
the way, and I love Josh McCown, but when they're
just sitting there on the sideline, yuck it up. Yeah,
I can't imagine. I mean, just great jokes on the side.
That's a tough look. That is a that's a tough
look in that situation. Just getting thrashed just it's just
maybe sometimes you just got to laugh about it and
move on. I mean, now, now the nature of the
beast in the NFL is as we talk about what

(12:56):
happened last night is all you can do is look
forward and we have no idea who we're going to
have at our disposal when we go to Detroit and
play one of the best teams in football on the road,
the place that we now we have not won in
what three four years? This game is this is a
you know, these next four are going to determine our season.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Without question.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
You're sitting there almost at the midway point here, a
couple of games to get there.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
This season is still in front of you.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
But like from it and again you can just tell
when they're talking about their football team, mainly the head
coach last night, he's almost like, what do you do?
I don't have my guys. I mean, it's not one
you talk about Van Ginkle on the defensive line and
our ability to stop the run, and at this point,
with our inability to stop the run consistently, you start
to question us, is this now a personnel issue rather

(13:43):
than a schematic issue. Is just you know, we getting
we can't make be making that many mistakes Defensively, Guys
are in gaps, Guys are in spots to make tackles.
We're not making place Now you don't have vang gyinkle,
which is a big spot in this before defense, especially
to stop the running first and second down.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
It affects things.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
We know.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
We know what he's capable of. We know the big
plays he's capable of making. We're not getting those plays made.
I thought Gernard played well last night, and of course
he gets rolled.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Up on you near the end of the game. How
hard I mean, it's it's crazy how hard he's working.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
He's beating double teams and he's he's coming from all
over on that defense, and he did get rolled up
on with the ankle.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I'm looking. I'm basically like Grenard is.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
He's the the energy bug and and apparently the hardest
working guy on that field right now for our favorite
football team. Him and Jalen Redman, yep, of all people,
there's two guys, and he's all he's all energy and
even really starting to truly pop. I think last week
against the Eagles and then what I saw from him
at times last night.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
It it, it is it.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I wonder how much the personnel has changed. I wonder
you know that the health situation, you know, bringing that
back to the O line for a second, though, you.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Know, I am curious what your thoughts are.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
You had a knee earlier in your career, and just
kind of this saga with with Christian Darosol and Darisa's
high end, super talented, and it's not necessarily about questioning Christian,
but what I'm seeing here and maybe you battled it,
maybe you didn't.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I'll ask you the mental side of returning from the knee,
because he's cleared medically, comes back, We put him on
that pitch count. We got to work out, you know,
in some ways you're restrengthening that area. He also probably
has about one hundred pounds on you, so maybe you know,
apples and oranges to some respects in terms of the rehab,
and maybe the injury itself could have been different in

(15:34):
terms of ligaments and such. But to that end, like
you get through the buy makes all the snaps in
the Eagles game, and then we see this massive pullback
to the point where I think he played nine snaps
last night, and even prior to the game, he's got
five different coaches around him, like are you good?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
What's going is? Is there a mental aspect in addition
to the physical.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Aspect that has to be tackled when you're returning from
something like that.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah, I was unfortunate enough to have two ACLS, one
in college one of the pros, and I think the
mental part of it is save one or separate, separate one. Wow,
that was super fun. Love that matching matching scars. Yeah,
matching scars, the double zippers. You know, when you talk
about the mental part of an injury, it is it
is that you can't play in the NFL by just

(16:19):
dipping your toe in the water.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I mean, you got to be mentally fully prepared and
fully ready to go.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
So the mental side of this is if you're not
able to go out there and just rip the banded
off and just go and play free and not think
about it, if you're considering that that joint on every
rep while dealing with the best pass rusher from the
other team. He got your hands full mentally, Yeah, Now
we don't know what's going on. We don't know that
they if he got dinged up again, if he's got

(16:44):
something going on, maybe he's got some swelling the joint,
doesn't feel comfortable. We don't know that. You know, when
it comes to the injury report, you'll see you'll see
what's gonna be posted. But what else is going on
where Maybe it's a physical piece of it too, where
maybe he's had a little bit of a step back,
maybe he's got dinged up again, Maybe he's getting some
swolling in the joint, so he's he's not fully back.
And when you get swelling the joint, you don't feel
like yourself. And then what's better having a you know,

(17:05):
seventy five percent Derisa or the alternative school. So it's
like it just comes down to he's got to make
that decision. He's getting paid a lot of money to
do what he's doing, and uh, he you know, he
has a right to make that call with his own body. Now,
the reality is, I'm guessing it's a little piece of both,
but it's hard. I mean, I wonder if there's a
mental thing is swelling and the mental aspect, to me,

(17:26):
it has to be there. It has to be there
in some respects that he does not want to get
back to the spot he was a year ago where
he's starting all over again.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Because he knows his ACL has been repaired. Yep, right,
he knows that.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
You know from a from a media don't, but you
don't feel to me, it was always about twelve to
fourteen months post surgery. There you go, is when I
felt like I can go for me, you know, my
NFL one it was, you know, had the full year.
IR happened in August, so it's during preseason game. I
had a full year to recover twelve months. Like where
I'm back, I'm going through off season OTAs, I'm going

(17:58):
through the summer program. I'm working on in the full
training camp, coming back and playing I guess Joey Harrington
and the Falcons, and at least it was against Harrington, yeah, yeah,
And and you feel like you're completely back where I
could go out there and just fully cut it loose
because I was already passed a year. I was like
thirteen months and I slept on the field for the
first time and I do think this takes longer than

(18:18):
people think, Like, yes, I am physically able to go,
but man, when I wake up and when I go
out to play, do I feel like I'm actually myself again?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
And there could still be as you mentioned, yeah, yeah,
and then so to that end, I just want Darrison
Darris ought to feel good and when he's in he
plays good.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Uh well, tough moment.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
He got run around a little bit last night, probably
why he only played nine snaps because he's still feeling something.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
But I just I just picture like you're either in
or you're out.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
From the standpoint of you know, school's got to jump
from the right to the left. The discombobulation of the
on line now, the sixteen or seventeen different combinations.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
I wish, I wish people could realize how hard that is.
I mean, I didn't play offensive line. Seems insane just
to go from right to left, from footwork to deal
to the freaks you're dealing with on the defensive line
these days, that are you know all as six five,
two seventy you can run four five and you're coming
off the edge. It's impossibly hard to put into words

(19:17):
how hard this is. Until you're out there at the
level plane. But again they're pros. And again, just because
we're playing with our backups does not mean we shouldn't
be more competitive on the road. And I think back
to how one play can flip a game, and our
inability to off the field on third down in that
first drive when we get that interception pick six overturned

(19:37):
deflating is that it's deflating because of the outcome of
that drive. To me, if we make them punt, we
get the ball back at the you know, forty yards
and here we go kind of wipe it clean and
kind of wipe it clean. We have the quarterbacks on
the field, our offense is going, we don't know, all
of a sudden, this whatever ninety two ninety four yard drive,
wear down the defense in the first possession, playing from behind,

(19:57):
which we've done more than twenty nine other teams this year.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yere playing from behind.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
So all these factors layered in you lose Daris on
nine plays in you just kind of keep taking the punches.
Now again, you got to react, You got to respond.
It's the NFL, man, there's no where to hide.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I mean, you're kind of I mean, you can still
probably ball in some some pickup hoops or something like that,
and the why.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
But you're you're a little bit given them out.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
I'm giving the Viking fifteen snaps that they need it. Well,
Flora Is if you need you know, can't play Van
Ginggle's position. There's too much contact. I don't want that anymore.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Seventy plays last night they were Vikings defense was on
the field for seventy plays, nearly forty minutes a game time.
How exhausting is that because after just run and just
run through it. This is cursory stuff. Anybody can see this,
of course, but it's just it's kind of I'm just
thinking about how they just systematically grinded us into dust
last night. The pick six doesn't go the right way

(20:48):
for us. That's a fourteen play eighty three yard drive,
seven and a half minutes, We end up punting. They
come back with another eight play fifty nine yard drive.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
We answer with a field goal. You have another. You
have an nine play ninety four yard drive.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
In three and change towards the end of the first half,
and I mean the list goes on twelve plays seventy three.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
We finally get that TD.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
That's six play, twenty six yard Yeah, after the interception,
and they go twelve and seventy three and just close
the door on us. Just I mean those long drives, man,
and just that's very atypical of what I'm thinking when
I got Flores's defense out there, even without Van Ginkel.
At some point, I just I trust in Flores to

(21:30):
pull that feather out of his cap and have the
right answer in a certain spot. And whether it was
those few plays last week against Philly and then last
night really in totality meant four hundred yards offense, Kamandi
Vidal ran for two hundred yards on us. Yeah, as
a group they did, I should say that was nutty, man,
I mean just exhausting.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
It must have been.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, and you look, what was it third downs in
the first half. I mean they were what.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, they were nine to thirteen in the game.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, five or six in the first half. I mean
something something crazy. And they've been one of the best season.
Which also tells me though, is like when you're allowed
vital to be such a good, such an impact player
in the run game, and obviously the way we are
killed with Herbert and his feet last night, I mean
just extending drives, and those are exhausting plays. You cover
for four or five, six, seven seconds he gets out

(22:16):
of the pocket, you will chase him down. You ring
them for a twelve yard game. First down, lineup, and
now go play against the run again. Like what you
don't do in training camp is a ninety four yard
fifteen play drive. You don't practice that. So where's your
conditioning cardio? Now there's a physical part of being worn
down in the second half when all of a sudden,
we hate we score twenty four to ten.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Here we come.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Oh, by the way, Like I'm so ground to dirt
for my first half physically, but also the mental piece
of we can't stop them on the on the ground.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I'm such a rube. When we got that touchdown, I'm like,
all right, let's just here we go. Let's get a stop,
easy peasy, let's get a stop.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Let's push it the other way. Suddenly it's a touchdown
game and we're onto something.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
When you have the weapons that you have offensively, then
you realize it's just it. Every time we dropped back
a three step, five step, that there's the time is
just there's just nothing there.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, the you know you mentioned just that making time
with his legs. We saw that with with Jalen Hurts
as well. Second chance passing. I think it was either
burst at ror Lever that kind of coined it that way.
We saw a ton of it last night, and it
was Metelli's. I almost feel bad for Josh Mittelis. The
first touchdown for the Eagles opening drive, I believe was

(23:25):
one of those situations where Mittellis is caught defending AJ
Brown and it was initially just kind of towards the
sticks on an out route and Jalen gets to move
outside the pocket and minute street ball right, he points
at Aj towards the house and that's where he went
and it was a score. Then there was one last
night I forget. I think it was the Harris touchdown.
Late is you get the initial pressure and Herbert is

(23:46):
able just to juke in and out. He's bouncing around
a little bit. Mattelli's is stuck covering another receiver for
five real time seconds and shocking the receiver was able
to find his way open and score that touchdown. Man,
I mean, just is it too simplistic with what you've
seen for me to just say until this pass rushing
pros man until I get my money's worth on Hard

(24:07):
Graven Allen, until Van Ginkle comes back. Our first round
draft pick from a couple of years ago, basically did
a college style like missile launch at Herbert's head at
one point, and that's the only time I saw him
all game. Dallas Turner like, this pass rush is just
not good enough. Grenard can't do it all by himself.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, man, do you think back to.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
The few years I got to play with the Williams
wall and then just defensive the defensive line pressure wheel
to get him pretty fun with Pat Kevin, you have
Jared Allen on the outside, Russian Ray Edwards rush and
Brian Robinson comes in there. When you're able to limit
teams run game, you know, fifty yards a game, and
I think we're fifty eight at one point one year.

(24:47):
When you're able to limit that from a rush to
cover standpoint, we've now got you in third and eight.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
We know what's coming.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, Jared's gonna pin his ears back, Kevin Williams gonna
pind his.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Ears back and go rush.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
We're gonna bring Everson and Griffin of the off the
bench and put him in a three technique to rush
the quarterback. It's pretty fun to sit back and coverage
in a zone. Now you have to play man coverage
and just let those guys hunt. And that's the situation
where rush and cover always work together. You want to
be really good in the back end, have a great
pass rush. Yeah, you want to be good up front, hey,
and get your pass rush home. We'll have guys that

(25:18):
can cover in the back end. And with the Zimmer
teams I was a part of for those three years
had a really nice combination of being able to play
and sit in man coverage and have the guys outside
they could do it so your pass rush could get
home and win again, sort of the opposite way that
we had early in my career with Ray and Jared
and Kevin, Like those guys were getting after it.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I mean there was time Edwards no Nihle, Yeah, yeah,
I mean he had some years.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
But you know, when you drove, you get you sit
back and you cover two little zone that coach Frasier
at coach Tomlin was playing and by the time you
get back to your drop, Jared' hitting somebody in the
back of the head.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
You're like, Okay, this is pretty nice.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
I can cover this guy because it's only three seconds,
and all of a sudden, you could play a guy
like Rogers, and all of a sudden he's rolling out
of the pocket and back in. O wait till nine
and he's making plays. Now this becomes a lot harder. Now,
I'm we'll be called plastering. Right quarterback gets out of
the pocket. You're supposed to plaster the nearest receiver, and
I should not be on a receiver. Ever in coverage,
Mattellus has a much better chance than I did. But
the reality is I'm not going to win that.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Neither is he. And that's just the situation football gets
you in.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Let me let me ask you this seven seven games
in and and then we're gonna pause. And then I
got a couple more Vikings talkers for.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
You, and then we got it.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
We got to hit the game man, Iowa City this weekend.
We just go just tell the old ladies, hey, we're
out of here. We're going to trapping. I heard the
tailgate in experience. Now it is tremendous. It is tremendous.
It is Iowa City on game day as special. The
Gopher fans and Hawkeye fans will get along just fine
before that game in the parking lots, and they can
yelled each other during the game.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
So the so seven games in, talking about identity of
this team until the court, you know, the the Chargers
are uber injured at multiple spots. Derwin James I think
left the game at some point. They're they're trotting Joe
alt Totino, Grace's finest out there, and he's got a
bad I think he's see they're a foot or and ankle.
Trey Pipkins Apple Valley up with the Minnesota connections. He's

(27:05):
like a kid wearing an adult size shoulder pads.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Ultimn AULTI man, dude, he's terrific.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
He's a man, this is and all of that.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
But they got the quarterback situation figured out, which helps
then guide that identity regardless of what's going on around.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
We need to do that.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
But it kind of feels seven games in, you're still
getting the penalties. Man, I'm losing track of every single
kick return. Miles Price runs Finill yards only to have
to trot the offense back to the twenty The penalties
mistakes is that kind of the identity of this team
is the lack of consistency or the lack of identity.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
I don't want to say you're wrong, because I think
at this point in the season, that's that's what we are.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Seven games in. This isn't like three games in. Who
are we?

Speaker 5 (27:49):
This is seven games in and right now he keeps
seeing the same stuff over and over and wishing for
a different result. I think if you when you go
back to when the season started, I just said, and
I know I said on the show, is we can
beat you mostultiple ways. We can run the football. We
love our personnel. Our offensive line is rebuilt, restructured to
run the football. We're going to protect this young quarterback.
If he gets stuck in a third and five, he's

(28:09):
going to roll out and beat you with his feet.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Almost none of those players I mentioned are playing football
right now.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
For us.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Three of the offensive line, we just got the We
just got a running back back, one of the running
backs back. Our quarterback is not the quarterback that we
started the season with. H So that affects it. Defense,
run the pass game, elite pass catchers on the outside.
If you can't give the quarterback time to sit back there.
And this is not indept on the offensive line. I
mean injuries are real injuries. I would actually say Carson

(28:37):
has some timing issues and he's been holding onto the ball.
Decision making has been poor at times as well, but
the on line's rabbit. Yeah, and again like getting around again,
what's what's the route concepts that we're looking at to
get the ball on the hands?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Quicker?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Since we know we have issues, are we giving them
a chance to succeeds?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
You got to look at that. I'm giving them options
nearer versus.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
I'm not deep diving this thing. So I've got four kids,
but I'm just telling you right now, like if if
you look guy that like where three where are the options?
Where the options to get the ball out of Carson's hands? Quicker?
What's his ree? What's his look? Yeah, if you're giving
them a five step and we need time, that hasn't happened,
and he's holding the ball for that reason, that's a problem.
It is, And we need to go find a matchup
that we like early, get the ball of his hands,

(29:16):
one two, boom, get it going, because that's just our
life right now. And I would beg for a slant
and then and then defensively, nobody would have guessed we
were not gonna be able to stop the run.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I did not see that.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
You trade Harrison Phillips right before the season starts. You're thinking, okay,
we must be good. Yeah, and now we sit here
and say I'm not again. You don't know because when
you go through training camp, you have the guys in
the roster, you say, hey, this is who we have.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Run of the season.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
We got to make the best decision for the organization,
the money, the whole piece that goes together. But all
of a sudden, now that's become a massive issue. We
can't get off the field because they're constantly in third
and two's and third and threes rather than third and
eights and nine, because we can't play in first and
second down. And that's just unfortunately truth. So to your point,
that's sort of who we are. Three and four.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
The Vikings just get absolutely housed by the Chargers last
night thirty seven to ten Vikings conversation throughout text message
this one.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I love this six four six eighty six.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Hardest hit of the game was Hardgrave running into the referee.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
See that last night? Yes? Did you see the ref like.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
His hat was laying on the turf, and it was
almost like he was expecting Hardgrave to turn around to
give it to him.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Hey, I mean it'll be nice. That would have been nice,
but I appreciate the text.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I got some talkbacks lined up as well, and it's
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Speaker 3 (30:36):
We are.

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Speaker 3 (31:55):
Welcome back nine to noon. One more segment with Chad Greenway. Man,
are you two segments today? Two segments today?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I appreciate you doing it, uh, you know, and and
I think you're a bit lucky to getting a hangout
in studio.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Absolutely, I saw you doing TV last night.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I was trying to figure out, like, okay, this this
thing is just an absolute bleep show.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
How do you?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I think I thought you were you were awesome Box nine,
It was dawn, it was rich the gang's all here.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah, those guys are those guys are like the multi
camera with the light where you were pointing the cameras.
I'm looking over here. You know, we got down reading
off the teleprompter. I mean, I'm not losing a step,
just pros. No, Absolutely, Uh, the how do I how
do I dig into this?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
How do you? How do you maintain?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Because I saw this during fan line and I'm not
interested in putting this on the team at this stage,
but the idea where at one point you just you
felt like the spirit had been taken a bit with
what you saw from from the Chargers and just an
overall outclassed out coached just dominating effort by the Bolts
last night, and now you get this baby by a

(32:59):
chance to to recoup a little bit, and you're hoping,
darisaw On, some of these guys are fully healthy. But
now turning that around and going to Detroit, like you mentioned,
this is a great opportunity really to see what this
twenty twenty five team has. Couldn't agree more. And I'm
also just, even from a coaching standpoint, I know twenty
twenty three was weird when Kirk popped the Achilles at Lambeau,

(33:19):
we got the Dobbs thing that didn't work and Jaron Hall,
et cetera. I do think though, given what was put
into this season, that this was the big TOADA coach
of the year, got the kid raised, he's healthy.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
JJ McCarthy, I think this.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Is the first true adversity that he is seeing at
a high level as a coach.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
And I'm just I don't want this to happen.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I want the team to win every game, But now
I'm really interested to see how Kevin O'Connell specifically handles
this moving forward.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, I think it's going to be an opportunity for
him as a still young football coach, head coach? How
does steer the ship here? I mean, where do you
go when you all of a sudden have a football
team that's struggling. Yeah, you have, you have personnel that
just you can't poof, they're coming back, right? What do
you How do you approach it? Who do you lean into?
Where are your leaders in in the locker room? What's

(34:09):
their response to it? What's your approach at practice next week?
Like are we going to be bad cop?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Good cop? Like? Where are we going with that? Like?

Speaker 5 (34:15):
What's the accountability level going to be? Two guys who
aren't doing doing things right? Coming down to let's talk
about the penalties. You want to go play penalty free,
turnover free football in Detroit. You'll have a chance to
win that football game almost guaranteed. When you go on
the road and play clean, you give yourself a shot.
I don't care if it's the Chargers last night or
Detroit in ten days. Like, how do we show that up?

(34:37):
Because that's a lack of discipline at the end of
the day. And I can remember in training camp when
we had undisciplined teams, Like we're you know, day ten
of training camp and everybody's mad at each other and
hates each other, and we can have all these penalties
getting thrown. We're running around goalposts, we're doing things the
high school teams do. And it was sort of like
this idea, like we had a focus. It was a
lack of focus and attention to detail. That isn't listen

(34:58):
it's it. Yeah, the bright lights Thursday night football. You're
a pro man, like you gotta show up. And again
I made those mistakes, But what's the accountability within the
team saying that's on me. I have to get better
or they're gonna find a replacement for me, And which
koc is gonna approach? Approach gonna be like that, cause
if you can just start simply there, play clean, turnover free,

(35:21):
like when the win to go out of the sales
last night, Carson Wentz interception in the overthrow on the
over route, so that was basically, okay, game's over here,
we go right and what an awful throw. But again,
that was an awful throw. We can all admit to
that one. But the reality is when you go in
that environment, it's all hands on deck. We're the underdog
in this case in Detroit, we are the underdog. Oh yeah, like,

(35:41):
let's lean into that and that's okay, right, let's go
over and play our style of football.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
What is that?

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Well, this week we're gonna be this football team and
we're gonna go in Detroit. They're a physical team, They're
a physical out there. We're gonna go punch him in
the mouth and we're gonna run the football and we're
gonna do it this way, and we're gonna play free football,
no penalties, take care of the ball.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I mean, start there, start there.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
No, I like that, And it's just, you know, so
much has been talked about in terms of the culture
of this team, and just I mean, you couldn't get
a bigger contrast right into this thing from Zim at
the very end, Zimmer was never necessarily the most loving
and friendly, cuddly person that ever existed, but at the
end grumpy wow. So you get that contrast there. But now, like,

(36:26):
culture isn't really tested with victories and cool speeches in
the locker room and things like that. Culture is really
tested during moments like this. So in ten days being
able to turn it around, I.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Was thinking from a schematic standpoint, just to clamp on
you there, simplicity, go back to fundamental football, go back
to simple and see if you can accomplish simple, over
and over and over again consistently.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I keep getting these text messages.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Apparently what we do wrong.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Well, audio was used into the Thursday night football pregame
last night, so during like their opening package on Prime,
and at first, like I felt so that we had
like a camera crew that came to Egan to film
PA doing the radio show.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's part of this video cut up.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
They do like this kind of time lapse up to
the game and what they're saying, and Chargers had lost
three or four. What's going on with this thing? Do
we get the run game going with the doll et cetera?
Can we get healthy? And but they ended up not
using the PA video and it was just a video,
an audio clip of me going, we got to hit
our freaking receiver.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I need my quarterback to hit the open guys. So
I had no idea that that was happening. And now
I'm just kidding, somebody please clip that out. I'm just
getting some text messages.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
But but then I heard it and it was just like, well,
they kind of make me sound just like an angry rube,
which I guess yeah, guilty as charged. I mean, ripping
that from fan line. I'm just yeah, I was. I
was frustrated.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
It's okay to expect your quarterback to make that throw.
It's okay your if you expect that linebacker to make
that tackle, because that's job, that's what he does, especially
when it looks so fundamental and so elementary for these guys.
And you know, you look at that throat and say,
that was not a hard throw. He was not under pressure.
There was really nothing there. He just airmailed it. And

(38:13):
it's just the reality we're in right now.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Boys.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
So hey, lick your wounds, you move on, you fly back.
I don't care about your red eye you pull. Hey, listen,
come on, you get the pants back going tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
And you go to work.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Monch Paley, who's going to work on Saturdays and tomorrow
at two thirty. You know, I'm going to get into
this more with Burnsey, but but really, the way the
Big Ten is constructed, Iowa had the chance to win
the West for a while, just to have the great honor.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Of getting smacked. That was fun number those days.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, Ohio State and Michigan dropping sixty on you guys
in the in the conference title game. And now with
the new construction very top heavy, right, and Iowa and
Minnesota I think respectively, would be in kind of that
upper middling spot within the big tent where you know,
we can get ourselves to eight nine wins and talk
about bowl games and such, but really, as of now,
it's just not realistic from a playoff perspective, So rivalry

(39:05):
games matter, right, And from a Gophers side of things,
you know, you like what we're doing in Nebraska all
the time. I think it's five or six in a
row with PJ. Who doesn't like that one? Oh, it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
We can we can all be on on board with that.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
We may have just sent Matt Rule to Penn State
after what we did to Dylan Rayola and the whole
Patrick Mahomes cosplay thing that's going on down there.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
I have a hard time and a lot of opinion
on that we can't talk about here.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
But it's crazy. His dad is like an all time lion.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, Dominic Rayola was terrific in the NFL, absolute stunning
and a pretty good Husker as well. But we don't
like the Huskers, so we don't like that. But but
Gophers beating up on, beating up on Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I think it's three of the last four or something
like that in terms of the acts this pig, though,
this pig has been a problem.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
This pig has been a looser.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
This pig is PJ running around in a mud pen
trying to catch this squealer. He can't ever catch it
save four. Of course, you know Cooper dejen he must
have up. Yeah, Cooper Gene messed up and the the
twelve ten thriller a couple of.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Years ago at Kinnick. Yep, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Ten thousand foot view of the hawkeys that got the kid.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I think the South Dakota kid came down. Yep, that's
just you that hasn't really put it up through the
air quite yet. Maybe is what is expected. But he's
using his legs, you got. I think it's Molten or
somebody else. There's a running back. That's pretty you guys
always have a running back. Yeah, there's falling out of
your pockets. The defense is pretty good. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
I mean, I think the reason this has been a
harder get for PJ to in a rivalry series because
it hasn't been maybe we've won eight out of ten
something like that. Something that range is because of our
style of play. You're nine and one in your last
ten against Okay, so nine in one, So I think
I can't remember. I was four ander against the Gophers
back in the day. The Maroni Barber bit, the Maroni
Barber bit man. That line was good though. That zone

(40:47):
blocking scheme I hit the way back machine. That zone
blocking scheme the nearly two thousands that the Gophers had
was high level. And then you put Maroni and Barber
back there.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
It was.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
That was a sweet tand I think they ran for
three hundred on us in the Metrodome and we won
because they missed a field goal at the end.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Really was my junior year.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
But like we couldn't stop them, and we were like
a top five defense in the country. That's how good
they were. But with this, when you've been to playing
an Iowa team, the way we win, especially these last
five to ten years, is you just we don't again
talking about our vikings, we just don't make a lot
of mistakes. So you're not gonna you know, you don't
want to have a lot of penalties. You want to
take care of the football. You want to create turnovers

(41:24):
on defense and try to score on defense special teams.
Sometimes that's the only way we can score. And I
think when you go play clean football, you become a
really hard team to beat. And I tell the story
all the time. Four years in Iowa City, I think
we played like three defenses the entire four years. We
just lined up and played. I mean, the reality was
that we were gonna line up and do something very
very simple. And you can scheme us all you want,

(41:46):
and then what you want to do is you want
to go out and just make the plays that come
at you and be simple and be physical to line
the scrimmage. And we would always say our whole saying
time was there was impose your will on people over
and over and over and over again until somebody wilt.
And that was our mentality. And there's a lot of
that same mentality Niwa City.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Now.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
I think what Pj's built here is is a team
built on that. And the reason the Gopher fans are
excited and should be, is because you have a really
talented young quarterback. You have a really big offensive line
that's been playing well, you have a running game, your
defense is good and this is a good football team,
and I think this game you kind of have teams
that are at the exact same point. Is how is
this season going to go? Is this going to be

(42:22):
an eight, nine, ten win season? This is a good
pivot point for both This is it and and it's
in you know Pj's looking for this. Can I go
on the road and get a win and get in
Kinnick Stadium? Which we know is how hard that is?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
That would be? That would be tough. They're nine and
a half point dogs. What yeah? I what hamm are
the under on that?

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Well?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
See it's the total. I mean, this is crazy. Thirty
nine and a half. We have to score ten points.
That means at least is the total. And they were
nine in the we're your nine and a half point favorites,
So you got to win by ten.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
That shocks with a thirty nine and a half total.
Like you look back at.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
This series, you look back at this series last five,
they've been a lot of tight football games.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Well, yeah, but our team just can't hasn't been able
to score down there. Yeah, and that's that's really been
the crux of it.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Last I checked, we don't score much either, So the
fact that we're even nine point favorite. It's insane. You
know it's gonna be I'm excited, obviously. I'm hawkeys all
day long. Love that program, love that place and the
people that are still there from when I was there,
when I entered college in two thousand and one, so
many great faces that are still there. It's gonna be
a really good football game and expected to be a

(43:28):
true rivalry game.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
That's sweet.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Man, Hey, anything good with Gray Duck before we part way? Man,
everything's good at Great Dock. Come you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (43:36):
You know, we've been leaning into really hard, this this
idea that we are. So we're so local from the
start to finish. Where we buy our corn, where we
buy our juice, where we haven't made in Burnsville, all
Minnesota owned, and we want folks to lean into that.
We have so many supporters, so we're pushing hard against
folks that are out there buying products that aren't from Minnesota, because.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
We produce a high, high level product.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Our vodka, salt and everything else we're producing Minnesota, Minnesota
and it's all good. And so we ask people to
go into the store, walk past that aisle with the
Texas made vodka and go by yourself some greay duck
and then you know, first of all, go to yourself
as side by side taste test. And then when we win,
go by gray duck year after year or day after day.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
How about that? I dig that. That's great duck.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That's Chad Greenway at Chad Greenway.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Five two via X. Thanks as always, brother, you bet,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
When we return, I got some talkbacks that I want
to fire through from you the listeners. Ten am, we'll
get back into Go for Football with Ryan Burns to
go for Illustrated PA will be in studio at eleven o'clock.
It's Nordo in for PA for now nine to noon
on the fan.

Speaker 9 (45:04):
Heyno Max Meigan here. I said this team was average yesterday.
I think I was being very generous. Problems awful offensive line.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Holy cow.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
I don't know how you can play offensive line your
entire football career and be that bad. You get a
rep every single snap and you look that terrible. If
we really think we're gonna put J. J. McCarthy in
this game against the Lions with Hutchinson, Anzaloney, Jack Campbell
running at him, he's going to be Pulp, We're not
going to have a quarterback. He's going to be decimated
by the end of that game. See you later, you know, Max, I.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Tend to.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
The injuries, the in and out all of this. The
offensive line has absolutely left us desiring more. The thing
we were talking about on fan line last night, and
I kind of it bears repeating here is the kids
got to play and the circumstance of the offensive line,
whether it's Darrisaw he's unable to go. Oh, Donovan Jackson,

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who I think will has been so far very good
and will be a home run draft pick for the
Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
He showed his warts last night.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
And the thing at center, I mean, you bring in,
you get rid of Garrett Bradbury, best of luck to
him in New England, and you feel good about Ryan
Kelly as a veteran option and the concussions, so now
he is on IR and maybe.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
His season's done.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I mean that's, you know, the way we kind of
frame it up, like real life may be more important
to be considering right now than playing the game. Making
sure you know the marbles are in the right spot upstairs.
Will Fryes just been okay, recovering from injury, and then
O'Neil's been in and out. It's not good enough. I
agree with you. However, the kids got to play. The

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quarterback in there right now suffering maybe from bad o
line play. The quarterback has suffered from being off timing.
The quarterback in there right now has suffered, of course,
from from the shoulder ailment, which I mean was It
seems like that has reached maybe its zenith of pain
level with him just unable to raise his own freaking

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arm in the midst of a game. How's that impacting
the accuracy that I've been really frustrated with over the
last couple of weeks. It has to play into to
it to some degree. Are the ribs? Are the other
issues that we don't even know about with that quarterback
holding out of the ball too long, The decision making
hasn't been good, The accuracy has been a problem, throwing
it to the other team. All those things kind of

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factor in I keep you know, it's hey, it's third
and short. You know what was the coach the coach
last night something during the during the presser, he didn't
he wanted to establish the run, but he was worried
about you know, getting stuck in a third and long. Well,
you had a third and one at your forty one.
You had a third and two at the forty seven.
You passed both times. So that just that that that

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that statement isn't really kind of passing the test in
terms of the issue with with not establishing the run.
Are you worried about running because the offensive line isn't
going to move guys back? Well, are you worried about
passing because your quarterback's getting hammered all the time? Still
seeing some five step drops and some deeper developing routes.

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Haven't found a slant in like four weeks. There's a
lot that goes into that, specifically with the offensive line,
but feeling you max in terms of the old line
needing to be so much better than what we've seen.
But the kids got to play, and Carson Wentz says,
in some ways served as a sacrificial lamb, and frankly,

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he's falling apart, and just for humanity's sake, because he's
not going to take himself out, maybe we need to
save him from himself.

Speaker 8 (48:45):
Good morning, Norto and Chad Mike from Tampa. Hey, all
injuries aside, we laid an egg. Yeah, but I think
that this loss was a leadership loss. AOC absolutely was
out coached last night. The fact that he'd kept Carson,
she wentz in and a guy could barely move his
arm was pathetic. I love KOC, but he screwed up

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last night, and.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
I think that there needs to be some accountability on
his part, and he's to hold himself account Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
He mentioned last night he didn't he didn't have his
team prepared to play, and I would say at this stage,
him vocalizing that is probably the most amount of accountability
that you're going to hear from from him or any
head coach, not not even Kevin O'Connell specifically. The we

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covered it earlier with Chad, but really just to kind
of re emphasize, and it's, you know, we'll play another
talkback here momentarily. That's kind of pointing in the same direction.
On that third and two, we pass it balls, bat
it up in the air, Carson has to bat.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
It down, maybe to keep it.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
You know, who knows, fat guy interception They're rare, but
they can happen. Big guys in the middle with good hands,
you never know. So Carson bats it down. He can't
move his left arm, he's holding his elbow and he
is I mean, he's just an agony. That's where the
experiment needed to end. Not because I don't like Carson,

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not because I don't appreciate the seven oh one go
buys in Big One this weekend. I don't think you've
won down in Sodak in a while.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Maybe you'll do it this weekend.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Best to luck, but not think I'm rooting against Carson.
The guy has given everything he has. He's a freaking
iron man. But it needed it needed to be done there,
and it should have been, in my opinion, should have
been Brozmer for the remainder of the game. Another talkback, Hey.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Nordo Jake from Shockby here.

Speaker 10 (50:40):
My question is about Kevin O'Connell's inability to make in
game adjustments.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
You know, he doesn't run the ball ever.

Speaker 10 (50:47):
Third and one, Instead of giving us to Jordan Mason
to pick up one yard, he lines up our best
receiver at running back, takes our back up injured quarterback.
Play action, rollout, and surprise, surprise, it's incomplete.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
The the again establishing and we've seen it in the
Eagles game, trying to get the run game moving. It
was such a nice drive and in the third quarter,
sadly it stalls out in the red zone. But those
outside runs you saw from Jordan Mason there and establishing
the runs again the third and short is are things
getting over complicated in some of those spots and the

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play action, the rollouts extending the time that Carson is
holding out of the ball, not just him holding onto
the ball too long, but the spots that we are
putting in. Putting them in from an offensive perspective, problematic
to say the least. I got so many more talkbacks,
but keep them, keep them firing. Here six four six
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give us up to your best thirty seconds. But around
the corner, I want to bring in Ryan Burns as
we deviate from the purple momentarily and chat about Floyda
Rosedale the Pigs on the line tomorrow in Iowa City.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Last time the.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Gophers were there, they were victorious. Can they make DJ
make it two in a row?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
The ten point dogs almost on the road. Kinnick's a
tough place to play. They bring in a QB who
they think could throw the ball. Still can't throw the ball,
but they can run the heck out of the ball.
Our defense just put a fat l on Roola and
the Huskers. Can they repeat that performance? Ryan Burns go
for Illustrated. We're gonna chat about all of that as
the second hour gets kicked off nine to noon on

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the Fan,