Sunday Sermons: Brosmer Brownstones Go Time

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I really wanted to start this return to the station
on a positive note. But we have, for some reason,
some Yahoo at iHeart decided that the system we've had
in place for years that allows us to get into
the branch on briancaffein text line it was too easy.

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Apparently it was too compromised and too dangerous. So now
we have this moronic system in which at the start
of the show, I can't log in anymore without getting
what's called a verification code via my email on iHeart.
And ordinarily what I would do is once I get

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that code, I'd say, all right, well, second segment, I
would input that. But because the time they give you
before the code expires is about thirty seconds, I said, well,
I'm going to have to type it in. I typed
it in and guess what it's right, what it reads
invalid verification code? Me well, someone, has anybody in authority

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been able to explain exactly why we can't have I
mean the whole we're in the communications business, right and
the idea is to be as accessible to the public
as possible via the outstanding Branshaw Brian Kfin text line,
And yet it has never been more difficult so you

(01:30):
can text me today. I don't know that we'll ever
get in. Did you get in? I finally got in.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now I can't reply for some reason, so I eventually
I've got to call the helpline and figure out why
I can't reply.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
But I can see the text at least I'm double
checking did I have it? Did I type it in
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in accurately. I looked at it again and it says
won't work, So I apologize. You might want to tweet
me Dan Barrero Cafe in because there's no guarantee. It's

(02:01):
a good way to start our return after several days off.
Hope you had a wonderful or have had a wonderful
Thanksgiving weekend. It's a two hour edition of sermons for
the obvious reason that the Minnesota Vikings are a late
game today from dateline Seattle, Washington, so we will be

(02:22):
with you until eleven o'clock today, and of course a
lot of stuff to get caught up on and a
lot of ground to cover. Was your journey to Iowa uneventful?
Did you run into any weather on your way out
of town? Or was it an adventure? Got out of
town in time. It was rainy and wild, but we
got out.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It was much more eventful yesterday leaving work after Beyond
the Pond's triumphant return, and this morning was a little
wonky as well.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Getting yeah, even today is I think as the day
goes on to get a little bit better, but there's
still a lot of slick spots. If you are out
and about, you may already know that it did probably
slow everybody down. I think we are obligated to start
with Brozemac Brownstones. I think it's undeniable. I don't. We

(03:13):
could pretend, we could back into it, we could ease
into it, we could pretend that too much has been
made of Max Brosmer's first start. But it's the story.
Quarterback generally in the National Football League is the story,
no matter who the guy is, who the quarterback happens
to be. But it's even more the story here. Why

(03:33):
because I've tried to explain this to the mc bobos
that and this is again no fault of McCarthy himself.
We've predicted this. If you go back to last training
camp last August, we were predicting that there were going

(03:53):
to be unfair expectations on JJ McCarthy because of the
circumstances at which he joins the club as the starter
that have nothing to do with how much time he
might need to develop. But it was inevitable that he

(04:13):
was going to be put in this unfair position and
have to deal with it. When the Vikings finished fourteen
and three last season. This wasn't your average one and
sixteen team that then gets the number one overall pick
and is trying to sort of start from scratch. The
Vikings were not starting from scratch, so that even if

(04:33):
the quarterback whisper or voice and you said, look, it
gonna take time, even for a kid of his pedigree,
there's going to be some ups and downs. There might
be more downs than you think. You may know that rationally,
but if you put that against the Viking season last
year and the available options, McCarthy was going to become

(04:57):
the victim of a circumstance that was frankly beyond his control.
And we've been through it before, but i'll i'll set
it up again because we're now entering, at least for
one week, a new chapter. It may be a short chapter,
there may not be two chapters, but it's a it's

(05:17):
a departure with the Brozemer start. The announcement made. What
day was it proclaimed? Officially? Was it Thursday? Was a Thanksgiving?
I can't remember the day when I saw. I looked
and it was a Vikings dot com with video of
the head coach confirming. Was it Friday? The Max Brozmer
is going to be the starting quarterback on Sunday against
the Seahawks? Is that a three o'clock start of three

(05:38):
twenty five today? Will you double check? My sources say
I thought it was because I are we like about
three five, three or five. So that's that's when you
know you're like not considered big time. The three five
start as a post of the three twenty five double
header start, correct, So I think you're right. I think
it's three or five pregame show will be at one.

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You have all these other options that were available to
you that make it easy then to say, well, they
could have done this, or they could have done there
were literally three other options, and ultimately the Vikings, for
reasons that we may never completely understand, said no to
all of them. And I think some of it was hubris,

(06:23):
I really do. I think some of it was we
know what we're doing. Yeah, there may be ups and downs,
but we know how to bring how to guide and
develop quarterbacks, and how to get the best out of
quarterbacks from the moment they arrive. And I think, deep
down and frankly, I think this is why there's an
unusual level of tension at TCO Performance Center. Cory to

(06:45):
all my sources is that they now know they screwed
that up, that they had a bit too much arrogance
about how quickly they thought this thing could be brought together,
even if they were worthy requisite ups and downs involving
a young quarterback. And so now we find ourselves at

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the Brozemer Brownstones period. And it's interesting because nationally now
forget locally because I mean locally, if there were people going, well,
I'll tell you what, man, this guy's pretty intriguing. He
is watch out, got a maturity to them, isn't interested

(07:33):
in doing the eye black thing, doesn't call himself Number twelve,
doesn't talk about alter egos, just prepares and then goes
out and tries to make good decisions, sound judicious decisions,
and goes in place. If you heard that locally, you go, oh, yeah,

(07:56):
what do you expect. That's what people want to believe
because they're looking to grab onto something. But what's interesting
is you're hearing people nationally go, I've actually heard pretty
good things about this kid, given that he kind of
came out of nowhere, given that he was undrafted, given
that he played for a fairly you know what, do

(08:21):
we call it midland program here at the University of Minnesota.
So all that's going to do, oddly enough, is raise
expectations for what he might do today. In what I
think most neutral observers would say is, are not particularly

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favorable circumstances for your first start, right, you'd like your
first start to be at home. Realistically, you'd like your
first start to be against maybe a team that is
not fashioned. I don't Seattle, I think does have one
of the best records in the one of the better records,
at least in the National Football Conference, there where the

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Vikings have tended to have difficulty over the decades against
not only that, but against the quarterback that they said
no to or couldn't come to terms with, or said
we're not going to give him the big contract, Sam Darnold.
Yet I feel like reading let me see if I
can find a couple of the This is from your guy,

(09:25):
Mike Floria. This is I think just filed earlier today
and now with McCarthy in the concussion protocol, it's Brozemer time.
It is. Devin mccordy explained on a recent episode of
PFT Live one of your favorite watches he learned when

(09:49):
working the Patriots Vikings preseason gave the Vikings have a
very high opinion of Brosmer, with some believing he could
have a long NFL career. Since then, we've wind of
cautious optimism that the moment won't be too big for Brozemer.
Did guards He write this or did Mike Floria write this?

(10:10):
Or might there be a kernel of truth to it?
As one source put it, brose Maury is quote made
of the right stuff. Is Guardsy the source he processes quickly,
he throws accurately. Florio then takes the opportunity to take
a shot at JJ McCarthy. Consistent accuracy is something McCarthy

(10:33):
hasn't displayed. Also, McCarthy tends to have only one pitch
in his arsenal, a fastball that makes it difficult on
the receivers. It prevents the Vikings from layering the ball
into the intermediate parts of the field. In recent years,
that's been a key part of the Minnesota passing game.
Either way, Brozemer is getting his chance. We'll see if
he passes the eyeball test. We'll see if he can

(10:55):
deliver the ball to the open man. We'll see if
he makes good decisions quickly, especially if when the walls
close in on him. As the source said, you ready
for it.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Don't be shocked if Max balls out wall.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
God, I can't wait for three, can you. This is
being built up now. The danger of building it up
is if he lays an egg, it's going to be crushing.
It's going to be devastating to people. My hunch is
he's not gonna lay an egg. He does right. Florio,
an upset of the eight and three Seahawks is too

(11:33):
much to reasonable expect for the four and seven Vikings.
Best case scenario would be to see enough from Brozmen
to make him a potential candidate to play in twenty
twenty six, once the Vikings inevitably explore explore all options
at the position in the off season. Here's the critical
juncture we're at, and here's where I was trying to
get to in my usual, as usual long winded way.

(11:54):
I do believe the one thing I've learned after covering
national football, I started covering professional football regularly. It would
have been in nineteen eighty one in Dallas, Texas. Cover
the whole league, not just the Dallas Cowboys. And the
one thing I think I have learned is that no

(12:16):
matter what organizations tell you about, this is our guy.
We're committed to this guy. It's going to take time,
blah blah and black that in the end, what they
really believe in when it comes to the especially the
quarterback quarterback position, everything must be in play, and that

(12:37):
means everybody must be in play. And I believe that's
the juncture this team, this organization, whether they're willing to
admit it or not, is already at and by definition
that means, think Lavelle wrote about this a little bit today,
all possibilities should be explored. Did the Vikings intend to

(13:01):
explore the Brozemer opportunity this early on the road in
this situation. No, but circumstances sometimes force organizations to say, well,
we got to play somebody, so we'll put him out there.
Let's see what he does. He might be awful, he
might get overwhelmed more than we think. But what if

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he isn't. What if he shows us some stuff at
least enough to say, maybe we got to put him
in the mix. Maybe we at least have to keep
all of our options open going forward. Now, the downside
of that is quarterback circus, right quarterback controversy, jackals circling
like sharks, just waiting for their first taste of blood,

(13:49):
for the coach to start hemming and hauling and going
back and forth, sending mixed messages. But the rule in
the National Football League is I've learned at the last
forty some years, is you have to put all options
on the table, even if the option that ends up
being the most intriguing isn't the one you planned to be,

(14:11):
that isn't the one you invested in heavily, isn't the
one that you said this is the guy. So I
think that's what this Brozemer moment fairly represents. And for
Vikings fans, who I think have come to the realization
that the team is not going to make the postseason

(14:32):
this year, it's really the only story that I think
will carry their interest through the last what month and
change of the season. We're towards the end of We're
almost to December, correct, got basically a month ago. That's
what will carry this thing, And frankly, that's why I

(14:52):
believe there's a greater interest and curiosity about this game
than there otherwise would be if JJ McCarthy was still
playing right, or even quite frankly, if Carson Wentz somehow
was back miracle after a miracle cure to his shoulder
and his back despite the abuse that he suffered because

(15:15):
the head coach refused to take him out of that
game feels like four years ago. So that's I think
what intrigues me at this point. And hearing what we're
hearing nationally as well now it is also worth noting.
Let's see if I can find the tweet in question

(15:37):
here that got my attention. Now this would be called
background material your guy Adam Schefter, because I mean Adam
Schefter's jobs. What I got to report on whoever's playing.
And so if I can find an interesting nugget on
Max Brosmer, that doesn't prove Max Brosmer is going to
be an NFL starting quarterback, but it's worth talking about

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because he's started, and according to schefter Quasi Adopha Mensa
lobbied to get Brozemer an invite to the twenty twenty
five combine at the request of Blakemore's guy PJ. Fleck,
and later was overheard saying that he quote kind of

(16:18):
wished he hadn't because then Brozemer could have been the
Vikings secret. Now in fairness, though it turns out he
remained the Viking secret because the Vikings signed him, right.
I mean, did anybody else work as hard as the
Vikings to try to sign it. Maybe other teams did,

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and I don't know about But it's Brosemer Brownstone Sunday.
There's not any question about that. And we'll see how
it goes. Now, if he shows up in Seattle, like
right before the game, you know where they show the
teams coming out of the tunnel or coming out of
the locker room. If he shows up in EyeBlack, I'm

(16:59):
going to be very disappointed. I really, I really am.
I no EyeBlack Brosemer. I don't think I've ever remember
Brosmer wearing EyeBlack. Maybe he has and I'm just not
remembering it. We don't need EyeBlack to prove that you're
a you know, big time gutty ready for the challenge quarterback,
and you don't have to have an alter ego. I

(17:21):
think I mentioned last week Brosmer is a twenty four
and a half years old. I think he's he turns
twenty five in March, I want to say early next year.
So for you, I know, Blake Moore, this is all
amusing because especially after Thursday, you're feeling very smug, not

(17:44):
only about your team but about your quarterback, who played
very well. I thought, I thought that was the best
he's played in a while. Frankly, yeah. And so my
assumption is you, like Gerby, are like, go ahead have
your fun about Max Brosmer, Brosemer, He's the names will
be mispronounce a million times today in some locales. In fact,
did I hear Robert Smith? Robert Smith did the Gopher game.

(18:07):
I thought the first time he mentioned Brosmer he called
him Brosmer. Did anybody else hear that? Or am I
misquoting our guy Robert Smith? And then heard Brosmer a
lot after that? He had it right, But I thought
the first time he might have said Brosmer if anybody
else knows, let me let me know. Indeed, But I'm
sure you're finding this all very amusing. All this all
this speculation about what Max Brosmer might represent.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, I'll just put it this way. Today at seven
o'clock there was a rousing three and a half minute
long montage between the Vikings win and the Alliance win,
which you can listen to right now. I yeah, it's
it's a little amusing, but it's it's hard to wrap
your head around because if this was let's be honest,
if this was if Max Brosmer went to Tulane, right,

(18:52):
this would not be getting the hubbub that it is,
at least locally. It's hard to explain, you know, being
home from Thanksgiving and saying, there's so many people that
are just dying for this for Brozemer to play. And
I have friends that aren't Vikings fans or Packer fans.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
They go, he's an.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Undrafted free agent and quarterback, Like why is because he's
a Gopher, Because it's the story. Well, there's no question
for some people in this town if he if he
has stayed at New Hampshire, this would not be anywhere
near as as big a deal.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
There's no there's that that's undeniable. But I think part
of what it is, in fairness to Brozemer is he
looks like he has a composure to him. He has
a maturity and adult nature to him that I do
try to put the new code in as they speak

(19:43):
here that I do think if you watch the Gophers
last year, say well, he looked pretty good. And by
the way, not let's say up the password. It says
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Which I love that the most hard to get to
data is the most important, which is the texts.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
This is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I still we have to protect what Rose Bowl guy
is texting in or do we.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Think like somebody's gonna hijack this stuff or what? That's
what I don't understand. Let me see if that'll work.
All right, let's see that update. I can read you
a couple Well, here we go, here we go on more. Yeah,
I think, hold on, hold on, let me, I'm gonna
get in. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna get this
thing done on air because it's it's so annoying and
so obnoxious. Now this says update password invalid password.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Thank god, you can't make it up, all right? You
got a couple to read?

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Sex one two Guy says, might we call them bo bosemers? Oh,
bo bos?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I like that. I like that's an idea.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Let's see TV two K Guy says, I expect brozemerup
three hundred touchdowns or three hundred yards three touchdowns, no picks.
I think that's a little over the head there. Let's see.
I think here's was it? Four to two?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Three? Guy?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Hey, Dan, I think the Vike. You need to find
a good free agent quarterback in the off season. Let J. J.
McCarthy sit and learn for a year or two. He
missed all that opportunity last year at the injury. I
think we're beyond that. It's over as far as just
letting him sit that the twothdays is out of the tube.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
No, you're still there. I think I got it all
update password, verify, it's you. What is going on here? Honestly,
this is like, no, I don't want to do that.
All right? Let me see. Can I get back in?
Looks like I'm in, looks like I'm finally in outstanding.

(21:40):
That's really really good, I Black writes, nine seven sixth three.
Guy needs to be earned, does it? Wild is the
greatest team in the history of sport. We'll get to
that later. The winning streak is over. I watched I
didn't see much of the game. I did watch O

(22:00):
T and the shoot up, uh, the the uh and
and that that we ended.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Up losing there, correct, so we still get a point,
got a point, but we didn't we were we weren't
going to go the rest of the season undefeated.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Were we know? And they built up enough equity that
they can drop a game.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
But I thought, actually they played okay, yeah, some good
goaltending on the other side, so they have enough equity
to where I'm not.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Going to worry too much. And I think the Vikings
need to find a good free agent quarterback in the
off season and let JJ sit and learn. Oh that's
when you just read that, Well, that's too late the Jones. Yeah,
I mean that's gonna be the the mac Jones rumors.
What you know, the forty nine ers back up, because

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he's going to land somewhere. He has done well enough.
He's going to land somewhere too. Well. I love to
read that one, but I can't. Dan. Will you offer
your take on the lane given saga playing out down
South Kiff, and we should remember is one of us
grew up here. I I'm glad he brought that up.

(23:03):
That's ed in Saint Paul, because I do want to
get to that story, because I I do have a
number of opinions about the saga that I think is
going to be ultimately played out tonight. It's Bro Time.
Will that be the shirt? Bro Time? Will that be
the ball cap? Bro State Fair shirt?

Speaker 3 (23:25):
May it?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
May be? I would like.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Them to continue because they it was JJ to JJ
twenty twenty four and they cross it out to be
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yes, I would like them to just cross out JJ
and put Brosemer in there. I don't think you can
completely I don't think you can rule anything out at
this point. How does the fan base respond if Broser
pulls a Nathan Nathan Peterman throws five picks by halftime,
Well that, like I said, the level of devastation. I

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don't think there's a word to describe it. It would
go beyond devastation. Because that's all Vikings fans, at least
some of them have left to hold on to right now,
is let's just get something. Let's get something out of
them that's a little morsel. Here's what I will say
where I think there's another reason I'll save it because

(24:17):
I've gone along in this segment. We'll come back with it.
There's another aspect to Brozemer's starting today that I do
think is very very relevant, even if you think you
love JJ McCarthy, which we will indeed discuss. We'll get
to that. We will get to plenty on the Wild.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Wolves almost blown again, get saved by the Wiley veteran
Mike Conley hits A three when they were in yet
again serious implosion.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Were the Wolves? I got some stuff to get into there.
We mentioned the wild and yes, we will talk about
the Golden Gophers wrapping up a undistinguished season by knocking
off their arrival the Wisconsin Badgers, and I uh, yesterday

(25:09):
in the snow, and I eagerly await the quote from
PJ that's coming this week as his response to any
of the negatives when he says, you know, when I
came here, they said if you just beat Wisconsin, we'll
be fine. Trust me, you're gonna hear it several times
in the next week or two. Boothecafean dot Com it's
opened the Bradshawn Bryant Cafe and text line as well.

(25:32):
Six four six eighty six. Have a proclamation I'd like

(26:01):
to make before I get to the other aspect of
the Brozemer start today that I think is very crucial
to the Vikings thinking moving forward on JJ McCarthy, here's
my proclamation. I'm wondering how many of you will agree

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the National Football League and its officials, And you know me,
I don't like talking too much about officials because too
many other people spend half their day whining about the
calls we didn't get, never remembering the calls you do get.
But the National Football League has to stop giving the
benefit of the doubt to every coach who calls a

(26:44):
time out clearly after the ball has been snapped. I
can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Your team, by the way, profited, I'm not sure what
you're talking from one of them, and I'm looking at
I mean, basically, again, this is a florio issue's on
fire today with a comment from Well, here's the headline.
Walt Anderson is a big time NFL officiating rules analyst,

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and basically what Anderson is saying is when in doubt
on timeouts, the NFL wants it to be granted.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
They want the benefit of the doubt to go to
the coach.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Wrong.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Now, I understand it's all subjective about what gets there. First.
I've seen it in college games is this weekend. I've
seen it in pro games. I see it over and
over again, And to be honest, I actually think it's
more exciting and compelling for fans. If, Hey, they know

(27:48):
they're in the wrong formation, they're going to pay for it.
If the other team should not be penalized for the team,
let's say on the defensive end, not being in the
proper position or not knowing what formation they're supposed to
be in or what defense they're supposed to be in.
So I would love to see an off season discussion

(28:09):
where we go no, no, no, no, no, no benefit of
the doubt. The rules should be if the if the
if the timeout is not granted before the ball is snapped,
then the play goes. And obviously, I guess I'm trying
to figure out why we want the benefit of the

(28:30):
doubt to go to coaches. I understand it's not replayable.
It's not a play where they can we're gonna we're
gonna give it to the you know, the eye and
the sky is going to take a second look at it.
Replay assist is going to take a second look at it.
But I've seen it too many times where it's very clear.
It's a little bit like the the shot clock that
goes down to zero half the time, and it's the old. Well,

(28:54):
here's what I do. If I look at the clock
and I see zero, and then I looked towards the
ball and it's about then it's snapped, right, then I
let it go. Why if when you look, if the
ball has not been snapped, and at any point it
says zero sposed to be zero. So I would say,
here's the other Would this help? What if, in the

(29:15):
case of the shot clock, a horn went off when
it's down to zero, a loud horn in the arena
in the stadium goes off, and then that's it. Sorry,
you didn't get the damn playoff. I don't know why,
because to me, that should be part of strategy. If
one coach out foxes the other and leaves that other
team unprepared. You have your timeouts, you should be allowed

(29:38):
to use them, but you should be allowed to use
them legally. You don't get to you. I'm gonna start running,
and I was running towards the ref to make the call.
That should be enough. No, as far as I'm concerned,
it should not be. And in your case, didn't save
me from a false start, saved us from a false start.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Changed everything well, and then they scored a touchdown them
and you're gonna win the game, I think. I As
it turned to the Lions were very disappointing I thought
throughout that game, especially well defensively. I mean, they looked
like they were a mess. You guys are putting on
a clinic. I just don't like that play at all.
We'll get into there's some other strategical flourishes that got

(30:14):
a lot of attention this weekend as well. The Gophers.
I'm told the fans did storm the field after the
Gophers victory over the Wisconsin Badgers.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Is that correct? What was the final score in the game?
Was a seventeen seven? Seventeen seven?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Seventeen to seven was the final I am seeing pictures
of people out there. I'm pretty sure they did a
big win. Well, here's what I'll hear.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I have.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Honestly, I think I've made this clear because people say,
why what are you gonna you know, what are you
gonna say about it? I go, well, I'm bored with
the subject anymore because it is a genie out of
the bottle thing where if I'm not going to get
as outraged as I'm supposed to, I guess because it's
all becomes so stupid, bid and so automatic that it

(31:04):
doesn't mean anything to me. Here's the new excuse, given
this was this was novel to me. The new excuse was, well,
if you survived that bitter cold all game, then you
deserve to go out on the field. Okay, all right,
knock yourselves out. Just let's just all acknowledge at this
point there are no rules, there is no protocol, there

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are no standards. We'd be better off if if if
that was acknowledged, then I wouldn't be Then at that
point I wouldn't be bothered and say, well, we're just
it's all. Everybody's into the pool. It doesn't really matter
at this point. Obsessing over it doesn't make any difference either.
So go ahead, knock yourselves out, go out on the field.
After you knocked off Wisconsin. By the way, we finish
with five big ten victories, the record of the five

(31:51):
teams we've beaten is a combined nine and thirty six.
I know I'm not supposed to notice that. I know
I'm I'm not allowed to because that's a win that
represents a winning record. But that's the truth. That's the fact.
The combined teams they beat were nine and thirty six
this season. So if I'm not going to hold a parade,
I'm sorry. If I'm not going to be interested in

(32:13):
the contract extension, I'm sorry. I just can't do it,
not with a straight face, not if I have any
respect for my audience. I just I can't do it,
and I refuse to do it. The season, as far
as I'm concerned, was already told before the Wisconsin game,
and we get into this silly deal of rivalry game

(32:37):
against Wisconsin. If you want to go with the we
beat the Wisconsin brand, knock yourselves out. The brand is
in what it's been most of the last twenty five years.
Go ahead, But most of us live in the real
world and say, well, this is as brutalized as a
Wisconsin team as there's been in quite some time. So
you don't apologize for winning it, but to pretend that

(32:59):
This is another example of went out and took care
of business against one of those rival schools. Okay again,
I I I just I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
play on that level. I'm just not gonna do it.
If it's important for you to do it and to
get excited about it, it's a free country, go right ahead.
It's just you're not You're not gonna get a whole
lot of satisfaction here. It's just it's just not gonna

(33:21):
work for me. If the nature of the season is
as lopsided as it is this year, then the number
of victories become less important to me than what those
victories represent. Sorry, I I I don't know how it
can be any clearer than that. We have gone through
the totals of how non competitive they were in three

(33:44):
of the five Big ten uh or I should say, well,
not all of them were Big ten games. Cal was not,
but three of the Big ten losses were not competitive.
They lost to a Northwestern team that they were supposed
to beat. If you wanted to convince me that this
is going to be a good season, you had to
win the last two. What I'm seeing now is people

(34:06):
who had said that before those two games are now
hedging their bets and saying, well, they won one of
the two. You know, they split them and they finished
with the rivalry game, so it's a good season. Sorry,
I'm just I'm not going to agree with that. Knock
yourselves out on it. But I can't get there, and
I won't get there. I don't care what the history

(34:26):
of this program is. It's use your own eyes and
you know the eye test, and you watch that game.
That's a middling season, regardless of the fact that they
end up yes technically with five wins in the Big
Ten and undefeated at home. I don't know when being

(34:46):
undefeated at home ever should feel more hollow than it
does this season. When it's coupled with what they did
on the road as well. That's not a serious team.
It's just not. And the other thing they're gonna have
to do, you know, because one of the excuses this
year that PJ has used a lot number one running
back has been in and out of the lineup a lot.
Get another running back. What the good teams do is

(35:09):
they have depth. So it becomes too easy to just
turn it on whether you got your number one running
back out there and if you don't, it's not your
fault that you didn't do very well in the running game.
There are a lot of teams, good teams, good college
programs that develop depth, and so at some point if you,
especially if you have a running back who's as hard

(35:30):
as he's been, that's on you for not developing that
depth and giving yourself another option. Let's pause right here.
I'm told by the way in the press conferencester he
already played the card I predicted he would, and we'll
hear it a lot for several more weeks because we,
like I said, we were apparently not allowed to actually

(35:53):
process what happens in a given season and distill the
true meaning of it to go back to when it's
convenient the cliches of what did we beat Wisconsin? Isn't
that what you when I came here? Isn't that what
I was told was all we needed to do well?
First of all, we don't even really know how many
people said that to PJ. It's a crutch for him.

(36:15):
It's convenient. He's going to use it whenever it will
suit his purpose. But I think wasn't there beating Iowa
more often in there?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Too?

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Is that not count either. I'm not sure how did
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Speaker 2 (37:13):
I'm thinking I'm taking over for him after the top five. Seriously,
another basketball game. I'm assuming, I think so.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
He might be right he is. This is like the
busiest time of the year for him and he still
hasn't had a chance to uh to chat about. Well,
this guy Brozmer finally getting the opportunity he had admitted
suffering from a great deal of fomo. It's it's unusual
for somebody to be in a tropical climb like the Bahamas,

(37:41):
and he'd rather be here, at least to the extent
that he wanted to participate in the Brozman Brownstones discussion
after looking forward to it over and over again. He
got some enduring go for football. Some few I think
he's gonna play well. Yeah, yeah, that probably makes some sense.
Wild So tell me about performance yesterday. We should we

(38:03):
be bitter after what we did the game before.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I mean it was always after a rousing, emotional win
against a really good team in the Avalanche, to then
go and play one of the worst teams in the Sabers.
That was the worry going into it was, uh, your
day back to back, is it going to be an
emotional letdown? And I think for the most part, they
were pretty good. Like I said earlier, it's just the

(38:28):
equity they've built up over the month. They can afford
to drop a point in my mind and not have
me be worried.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, you obviously know that they're going to They're not
going to, like you say, win every game the rest
of them correct. So now the test is how you
respond to it right if they if that starts a
little bit of a step in the wrong direction again,
that lasts five games, then you say something's up right,
that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
But you're not gonna You're not gonna win every game.
I thought the goaltending for the most part was good.
One of the goals was a weird off the end glass,
a pop fly where Zucarello tried to glove down and
it bounced into the net like just some weird you know,
some weird puck luck that happens. The guys were scoring though,
the top guys are doing their job, and I don't know,
I'm just not too flustered by it. They dropped the

(39:14):
point in the shootout. Yeah, if walst that was in,
could he me? Is he better in the shootout than
Gus Bus Maybe a little, or at least recently he
has been. But I don't know, I'm just not too
bothered by I thought they played just fine and hopefully
they can still just move.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
On from that.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Who was it? And it was Gus Bus right, it was? Yeah,
I mean again, some weird bounces. The second goal was weird. Yeah,
I'm just I want to be I don't want to
ever be captain negative about them. Sometimes I have to be,
but I'm just not. I am just not flustered at
all by that. It stinks that they got into that situation.

(39:51):
It's thinks that they dropped the point that they should
have had easily, right, But it's just they have so
much EQUI in the entire month, one of the best
records of not the in the league, beating the self
proclaimed as the AVS. Radio guy says best team in
the world Avalanche. It's just I'm not too hot and

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bothered by this one at all.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Somebody is trying to get me going, get both of
us going. I guess regarding x A Minnesota Golden Gopher football,
I'm not that offended. I mean, this is what brands
online do in twenty twenty five. Their mission is make
us look as good as you possibly can. And this

(40:38):
one reads let victory Sunday commence hashtag ar row the
boat sky Yu Mott Gophers. And it's a it's a
great big w over, a play in the end zone,
a touchdown catch in the end zone for the Gophers.
It's what I think most people now understand that when

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a brand that is representing a franchise, a professional team,
or a college team capitalizes on a victory, they're doing
kind of what brands are now expected to do. But
it doesn't mean anything. It's just sort of kind of
par for the course. It doesn't necessarily make a profound statement.

(41:27):
It's factual, and you sort of just leave the thing
at that and move on. So that part of it
doesn't particularly surprise me. So in any case, I've got
a lot of It's interesting because there's there are a
number of people who are bitter with any of the

(41:50):
negativity and the Gophers, and then there's a bunch. I'd
say it's about that's twenty five percent. There's about seventy
five percent of the Texters we're getting are agreeing or
saying you're not being tough enough. This comes from Ricking
Columbia Heights. Well, I'm a Gover fan and want them
to win. You do not go far enough. If you

(42:10):
talk about the eye test, I understand that the winning
is win. Did you see three wins against records purduing
Michigan State, all terrible teams that should have They should
have lost all three at home. I tried to be objective.
This might be the worst seven to five team that
I have ever seen. Well, that is part of the
but I meant I guess by the eye test. The
eye test isn't just the degree to which they got

(42:31):
dominated in the road, but the difficulty they had beating
teams that ended up with a combined record of nine
and thirty six. I don't even think double check Nebraska.
I think even Nebraska finished in the Big Ten below
five hundred. I think they finished four and five if
I'm not mistaken. So we didn't beat anybody in the
Big Ten. I don't believe with a winning record. Yeah,

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so that we beat teams that are four and five,
two and seven, two and seven, one and eight, and
zero to nine. And the problem with that is they
didn't beat them to I guess to the Texters point
they did. Other than the Nebraska game, which was thorough,
they didn't beat any of those other teams decisively. Now
you can say, well, if on a way to win,

(43:15):
and I will tell you that the number one description
for me of this team this year is they're good
at finding a way to beat the teams they're supposed
to be. That's it. There's nothing else that I can
say that's more positive than that. They accept gifts from

(43:36):
bad teams that play against them graciously. They take full
advantage of the gifts that the gifts that those teams
kept bestowing on them to give them chances to steal
those games. Doesn't make it a bad season, but it
doesn't make it one where I can get all that,
you know, I can talk about another contract extension for PJ. Fleck.

(44:00):
We got a full hour to go. I never did
pay off the tees. On the other reason that McCarthy
fans should be extremely curious about how Max Brozmer does
today and frankly why the organization itself that's already invested
so much in JJ McCarthy also, we'll be curious and
needs to pay attention. We'll do that. We'll get to

(44:22):
some timberwool stuff. We'll maybe broaden out the discussion to
some of the Thanksgiving Day games. We'll get to the
Lane Kiffen controversy and an interesting decision strategic strategical decision
in one of the NFL games that's getting off an
awful lot of attention as well. So full hour. It's
our two of our post Thanksgiving edition of Sunday Sermons

(44:45):
back in a minute, our number two Sunday Sermons, Barrero
and blakemore with you until eleven o'clock today. Do we
have what do we have in between before the lot
of NFL conversation nationally, before the the Vikings Football Sunday
Crew takes over at one Little West would want NFL review. Okay,

(45:06):
that's nice. I don't even know because what time is
your apology by the way to the Monsters the Midway? Yeah,
I already tweeted one out, But yeah, was it rather sarcastic?
What did you mean it?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Well, I said, I apologize for jinxing it because I
had said.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
You're right, you said they were not going to win
another game the rest of the season. For the offense
is unbelievable. The run offense is absurd. You could say
they should have been further ahead in that game, but
ultimately they did what they had to do in Philadelphia's
a mess the Eagles, but let's face it, I mean
for the Bears, it started a stretch of games where
you say, okay, now you're going to find out whether

(45:42):
there their record is based entirely on who they've played
and when they've played those teams. So you have to
give them a proper credit a number of people for
knocking off the Eagles on Friday with a running game
that approached I think three hundred yards, the first time
they had two one hundred yard rushers in a game
since the Peyton era, with the the other running back

(46:05):
was a guy by the name of Matt Suey, Matt Sueye.
So that goes all the way back to was it
eighty I can't remember if it was eighty five or not,
but it was in that in that era for sure,
might have been that eighty five season. Did you see
what their head coach did after the game in the

(46:26):
locker room? I think so so Ben Johnson is a
couple of players speak and then Ben Johnson gets into
the center of the huddle to give his postgame you
know speed, this is a new thing. We remember remember
when we were winning games and then afterwards we'd get

(46:46):
from vikings dot com the video of koc pacing around
the sideline holding the football he's gonna throw to whoever
deserves it for that game, and he's talking about we
stay together, we stuck together. We are believing everybody in
this room. We're not getting as many of those right now.
That's what happens though when you lose and when you
win though, and the Bears aren't used to winning. Now

(47:07):
you're getting some of those same videos coming out of
the Bears locker room. Again, it goes back to your
social media brand. That's what it's all about now. So
for whatever reason, And I don't know if there's a
backstory to this that's been explained. Maybe he podcasts the show.
Because I've asked for several weeks. I think I may
even ask you this question among the NFC North coaches,

(47:30):
who has the best BMI because your coach is in
good shape. Our coach is in good shape. Ben Johnson's
clearly in good shape. Now you could say Lions guy
bigger guide doesn't strike me as maybe being chiseled the
same way. But I wouldn't want to mess with him,
would you. I'm a strong guy.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
If we're talking BMI, he's out, he's out. Yeah, he's
probably out.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
That's true. That doesn't necessarily mean who I don't want
to fight? You take cant Yeah, So maybe Ben Johnson
heard about it and wanted to answer my question because
he takes his shirt off and starts chanting and is
getting rave reviews for what his upper body looked like,
because he looked like his BMI was very competitive with

(48:14):
anything that KOC and your guy Matt Lafleur might be
able to offer. I don't exactly know. So maybe we
got our BMI thing answered, or maybe at least it
was his way to make sure we didn't forget about
Ben Johnson in the mix I teased much earlier. The
other part of the Brosmer story that I think mcbobo's

(48:37):
and the Vikings have to be extremely interested in, let's
do the if game, okay, and the if game doesn't
have to be played at the level of if the Viking.
If Brosber throws four touchdown passes and no picks and

(48:58):
leads the Vikings, who are is it double digit or
close to double digit underdogs to the Seattle Seahawks knock
off the Seahawks in Seattle this afternoon. Doesn't have to
be an if on that level. But what if the
if is simply this Brozmer finds open receivers and gets

(49:18):
the ball to them. Let's just say sixty two percent
of the time instead of fifty on time, instead of
too late on time, instead of too early in itself?
Won't that tell us something about how much further JJ

(49:41):
McCarthy has to go, Because I think part of what
the mcbobos have tried to hold on to is well,
the line really hasn't been together the entire season, and
even when it has been together, it hasn't been particularly
as distinguished as it was supposed to be. Receivers have
dropped too many passes and that, Yeah, my guy hasn't
been very good. But there's been a lot of this
function on this team. Well, if today the receivers look

(50:04):
better and the line looks a little bit better, and
as we said, the completion percentage goes up, might that
be an alarm bell where you go, oh, A lot
of this is on the quarterback. I think I've put
it at seventy five percent so far this season has
been on the QB. That's not one hundred percent, but

(50:26):
I think it's closer to seventy five percent than fifty percent.
So if you're if you're the evaluators inside the building,
you want those questions answered. Honestly, that still doesn't mean
you have to give up on JJ McCarthy, but it
might be a little bit of a reminder of you know,
what we're doing is actually our system is okay. Still,

(50:47):
our system is workable, it's functioning. It can function if
we get functioning performance from the starting quarterback. That's why
I think on that level, even if you're a mc
bobo and you don't want to face the truth, you
kind of need to see. Now, if today Roseberg gets

(51:08):
sacked six times and he looks as hurried as McCarthy does, well,
that could mean a couple things. You mean, well, the
team does have a lot of other issues. It could
also just mean that we now you've got two young
quarterbacks who just aren't read as ready to play as
we would like to think. There's a number of ways
it can go, but I think it's a good litmus
test to see whether this still has the qualities in

(51:31):
terms of talent and approach of being an offense that
should be playing at a higher level than it is
played at much this much during this season. Have Dan
research the hot dog story in Ben Johnson? Yeah, one
of the things I had read was everybody in Chicago
gets free hot dogs. I don't know the name of

(51:53):
the hot dog place when he takes his shirt off.
But I don't know how that story evolved. Somebody might
be able to give us more information about it, but
I'm still telling you he may be hiding behind that,
But come on, man, he knows the Bears after the

(52:14):
Eagles game. We're at the height of their attention league
wide in twenty twenty five, right, so he knows everybody's
going to see this, so come on, there's some vanity there.
It's got to be. Now again, if you look like
if your upper body look like that, I guess you
can blame you for wanting to show it off. But
I think that's a little bit that has to be
a part of it. Even if there are hot dogs

(52:37):
to be you know, to be that free, howk dogs
to be given away to people all over the city.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Well, you know there's there's allegedly some beef between Laflora
and Ben Johnson as well. That makes things because in
his introductory press conferences he said, I love being twice.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, so now they're playing this week in Green Bay? Right,
isn't it twice the next three weeks? It is? So
that's is that getting juicy attention in Green Bay?

Speaker 5 (52:59):
What?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
And do we know why he said that? Is there
bad blood or is that him just being fun?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, it's similar to the Fleck Wisconsin thing. That's when
you get But then this I had to find this
audio lafleur was during the draft, was on with McAfee
and kind of threw a shot back at him. Ben
Johnson is like a two second clip.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Okay, yeah, we got a great division. You can't discredit
what the teams have done. And I think Chicago's done
a nice job of adding to their roster, and you
get a good football coach. As he said himself in
Ben Johnson, Wow shots fired.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
So that when was that? This is during the draft.
Oh so that goes? Okay, So there's a little back
and forth down there. Well that's good, that's fun. I
like when those things happen. So he's basically saying he's
a great coach. Just ask him, Just ask him the
old one. Just ask him. Thing is that I think
that game has been flexed, hasn't it? Is it like
a three twenty five game?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Nowp next week three twenty five in title Town. I've
said it before, I'll say it again. Man.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
It's why the National Football League is undefeated. The idea
that we would be what's the date of that game,
that's the early December or whatever? The date? Double check
the date of is the seventh. So the odds before
the season began that we would be on this date
talking about a December seven matchup between the Bears and
Packers as being worthy of being flexed with the two

(54:20):
teams that are at the top of the division. That's
why the game is undefeated, because you never completely know
how the thing is going to play play out. Look
at the AFC. The AFC is weird right now in
terms of who's up and who's down. Now again, there's
still a month to be played and maybe things leaving
out at that point, but it's what And meanwhile, the

(54:43):
Vikings are sitting there not knowing whether they have their
quarterback already all but mathematically eliminated, especially if they lose
to Seattle. It's cruel when you're on the downside of
it right now, and so for Vikings fans there's great
cruelty to it. But the other end of it is
you think you're meandering sam Old Bears. What are they

(55:06):
going to be? And again I'm not saying they're on
the verge of a championship, but they are sitting there
at nine and three now now having to and I
think it being fair for them to their fans to
look forward to a date in Green Bay against the
Packers with something on the line in a way that
no one could have possibly predicted. That's for sure. All right,

(55:28):
let's stay on schedule. I got some wool stuff to
get to is it official regarding Lane Kiffin? Have you
heard anything via the headlines? We'll double check on Kiffin,
who's expected to take his services to Louisiana State University.
The open question is whether he would coach his team
through the championship tournament. I'm told that everybody is writing

(55:51):
that that's not going to happen. He's not going to
be allowed to stay there. I We'll try to get
some closure there. There've already been some other coaching changes
that have been made, and maybe that'll open the door
to a PJ getting another contract extension. All right, there

(56:25):
is something very weird going on right now, Red Blackmore,
are you familiar with You may be too young to
be familiar with the name. Steve Mariucci, former National Football
League head coach of some renown distinguished career hockey readA
named after him. That's also true, and he's a regular

(56:48):
analyst on the NFL network these days. And I don't
think this is a bit. I think this is via
the real NFL network X handle. Steve Marucci predicts that
Vikings quarterback Max Brosmer will throw for four hundred and

(57:09):
eighty five yards today. Do you want me to play it. Yeah,
can you play it. Let's play it. Let's listen to
it in context, because I think part of it is
who his partner is, who once through, I believe, for
four hundred and eighty four yards in a game. Let's
let's let's listen.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I know an undrafted quarterback free agent today for the
Vikings that's playing quarterback.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
We all know his name Max.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
He was old Old Hampshire and then he transferred in
the portal over to the University of Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Rich all right, So he.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Went the camp and you know what, he's going to
smash your record four hundred and eighty five yards today,
and you know what, he's going to be known as.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
The new American underdog. I know, all right. So it's movie.
It's a little bit. It's a little bit more of
a bit than it is that he actually means it,
because his partner is Who's the quarterback he's on with
in this war. Kurt Warner once through for four hundred

(58:06):
and eighty four and came out of nowhere right undrafted
free the whole bit. So in fairness, I'm gonna I'm
gonna have to rip Seaford a little bit for shock
jocking it because he he is, he's the guy who
brought this to my attention, and he'd written, Okay, we've
jumped the shark or this is a bit. Either way,
this game needs to start now. When you hear it,

(58:28):
doesn't it sound more like he's playing around, he's having
some fun because of who else is on the set. Now,
maybe he goes on to Embellish to say, well, I
think he may not throw for four and eighty five,
but I think he's got a good chance to have
a good a pretty good game today. So it may
be I can't even imagine. I just tweeted out the

(58:49):
a link to the comment from Auchi, and my comment
was guards, he takes the over because I think if
your guards you go well, at least for eighty five.
That's if it's if that's the over, under I'm going
over on the four hundred eighty five. And did I,
by the way, did I spell guards?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
He right?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I think he spells it with a Y? Now, Yeah,
I did I spelled it right? Yeah? I didn't. I
didn't use his Twitter handle, but that might well be
the case. I mean, here's what's starting to trouble me.
When the announcement was made I'm thinking, well, the kids
got nothing to lose. Expectations at the quarterback position are

(59:28):
sold low that if he just is semi competent, people
will be satisfied. Now I'm worried with the way the
national media has built up his start. Now there's actual
expectations that have been built and are a rising with
every hour that goes by. So maybe see if it's right.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Maybe this game does need to be played before by
two o'clock it gets to the point where brother is
going to finish the season is in receiving Most Valuable
Player of votes in the National Football League. I just
do you remember not to bring the Wild in this?
Do you remember when Valstett was first brought up and
they threw him to the Wolves against Dallas on the

(01:00:08):
road and he just got smashed and he sent them
back to Iowa. This is different, you could say that,
and it's worked out in the long run. And it's
different because the Vikings have no choice. McCarthy's hurt, he
has a concussion, there's no other way to go. The
Wild had a choice in there, so which makes it
a little different. But it feels like it's a really

(01:00:29):
really bad like I wish this was at home against
the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah for him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
We're on the road against the Jets, but it's one
of the loudest, if not the Laws stadiums against a
good team who's vying for playoff seating. So it's just
a tough task and I feel like we have to
keep that in mind within this whole Brosmer situation. We do,
there's no question about that. A number of people are
giving me more background on the hot dog thing. Ben

(01:00:56):
Johnson taking off his shirt after the game bit. There
was a pole giving Bears fan this is Chuck next
to Hazelden. There was a pole giving Bears fan several
choices about what they wanted to see happen in order
for them to get the free hot dogs. The top
choice was seeing Ben Johnson take his shirt off. So
when Johnson took off his shirt, the free hot dog
kicked in. I believe the hot dog stand, at least

(01:01:18):
according to one of the Texters, is called Adam's Rib,
just down the street from the Dearborn station, across from
a five and dime. Parenthetically, he writes old Mash episode reference.
So that's more information than I had, but that might
make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Good thing. Kansas City isn't a hot dog down. Actually,
wouldn't it be even more dramatic if Andy Reid took
a shirt off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
That's the point of it. That would be the beauty
of it. Right, Andy Reid takes It'd be jarring, but
it'd be he.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Would become a folk hero, because that's when it becomes
interesting when someone doesn't have the classic chiseled body. Right,
it's not a Chris Farley. I mean, it's it's it's
that whole I think, mentality and and kind of thinking
as well. There is some bitterness from love, the grum
gal about I did pick up on it, the the

(01:02:21):
fake Minnesota accent in what we played?

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Do we have?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Let's play it again? Can play it one more time
for those who might have missed it. And you might
pick up from Mary Ucci a bit of that fargo ish,
maybe a bit patronizing, condescending Minnesota accent.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I know an undrafted quarterback free agent today for the
Vikings that's playing quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
We all know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
His name was Old Old Hampshire.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
And then he transferred in the portal over to the
University of Minnesota. Rich all right, So he went the
camp and you know what, He's going to smash your
record four eighty five yards today, and you know what,
he's going to be known as the new American underdog
for the record.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Mary she even though he coached West Coast, he is
kind of one. I mean he's Midwestern, right. He was
born I believe in Iron Mountain, Michigan, so that's pretty Midwestern.
So maybe that's he has always had a Midwestern accent.
That sounded a bit exaggerated to me. But he's just
having fun with it. He's just trying to make a point.

(01:03:27):
I love the grum gal, though you don't put anything
by her. She picked up on the number of Minnesotans
that they their antenna is always up for the for
the fake accent. A couple of people are asking if
we're going to name the snonami from over the weekend.
We do intend to. We will do that tomorrow, And

(01:03:48):
I mean, you could argue that the choice is obvious,
but frankly, I think that largely depends on how Brozmer
plays to get today right. I mean, if he's brilliant,
it's going to be pretty hard not to give the
nod to him, even if we wanted to previously give
the nod to JJ for the on the opposite end
of the of the spectrum. But we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I still like Snodami Parsons, but I'm told that that's
not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
It's probably unlikely. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Marian asterdam Guy writes, had Tracy Clay's yanked off his
shirt after a win.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
He'd still be the cofer's coach. That'd be pretty good. Yeah.
I mean you could say, is did is the accent
that Marucci offered? Is that a Minnesota Is that a
Fargo accent? Or is that an Upper Peninsula accent? I
don't know. I mean it it's it's it's got some

(01:04:49):
Upper in it. So I think that maybe make make it,
in his case, more authentic. He doesn't ordinarily, I think,
speak in that exaggerated tone, But as I said, I
think he's trying to h to make a point. I'm
guessing by the way, we'll have to try to check
this tomorrow. I think there's a chance that the ratings
for local ratings for Bear for Seahawks Vikings might be

(01:05:13):
the highest of the season, which is crazy given that
the team is buried in terms of the playoff chase.
But I don't think that's I don't think that's crazy.
Infra circular and social that Prosmyn and Warner are from

(01:05:34):
the same town, same height, unrestricted or you know, undrafted
free agents as well. Yeah, it'll be an angle if
if he goes anywhere near forty five, then dogs and
cats will be living together. There'll be no explanation for
there will be no rationale or rhyme or reason for

(01:05:56):
the way this game can evolve or change from week
to week if he does something that crazy. See again,
I'm the idiot. I'd run the ball a lot. But
then again, I'm not going to lie to you when
I see the way Ben Johnson not tolerates, but loves

(01:06:23):
the running game. Ben Johnson loves the running game. I
still think that's a fundamental flaw that our coach has.
I really do, I don't. I think when he does
it like he did last week, he does it grudgingly,
he says all the right things, but I don't think
he appreciates it. Ben Johnson is one of those coaches,
and I think the same is true of your guy.

(01:06:45):
They not only do it because they think they should,
They love it. And again the game is a passing game.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
I understand all of that, but I gotta tell you, man,
if you're coaching the Chicago and you can make the
running game a staple, you know, just just having pride
and we're gonna knock, We're gonna have a line that's
gonna knock people off the ball, and we're just gonna
bruise you into December and into January. He can be

(01:07:15):
coached for life in that town because that does play
well to the mentality of that town. And they were
what they did. They get it three hundred yards against
the Eagles. Like I said, they had two one hundred
yard rushers. It was crazy. Did you run well against
I thought you ran reasonably well in Detroit and Detroit? Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Jacobs was back right couple on the local ratings for
the Gophers. I think guards he has at least a
small part of it, because he tweeted, not sure what
I'm not sure you are all prepared for what's gonna
happen dot dot dot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Don't say you weren't warned dot dot dot. So it
sounds like a threat. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty close
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And then if not, now when when running the ball
now is the perfect with an undrafted free agent quarterback
Megan's first start. If you don't run it now, you're
just not going to run it. Both worked at high
v apparently for eighty five. Let's go, oh, that's too good,
that's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
All right, let's pause one more break to get into
We were on until eleven o'clock today. Vikings pregame Vikings
Football Sunday will begin at one o'clock. Brozemer time is
three o'clock right on the dot. And by the way,
if we win the toss, usually KC likes to defer,

(01:08:33):
he should take the ball right out of the gate,
give the ball, put the ball in Brosmer's hands. Four
hundred and eighty five yards. I would think, would that
be the most yardage by a quarterback in his first start? Ever?
It would have to be, wouldn't it. I wonder why?
Let's look up during the break top passing yardage performance

(01:08:56):
for a quarterback in his very first game and see
whether Brosmer, Uh, if we can project the broser might
have a chance to shatter textter Robbert. If Brozmer pulls

(01:09:23):
off the shaker today, could we assemble a statue to
be erected not at TCO but in Deky Town by
Monday morning. Unfortunately, PJ might use this as a way
to get another three million dollars out of the U
hashtag trade offs unofficially. I don't know if you did

(01:09:44):
any research during the break seven six three, guy rights
that Cam Newton through for four hundred and twenty two
yards in his first game. Is that what you have?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
That's what I have as well. That was September eleven,
twenty eleven. I have no recollection of that game behind
him as someone by the name of Jim Hardy in
nineteen forty eight for the La Rams four h six yards.
By the way, I don't think they can build a
statue for Brozemer and Dickie Town because they're already erecting
one for PJ.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Fleck going above five four out of five years. Can't
help yourself, can you? You just can't help yourself. That's impressive.
I did. I wonder if they won the game four
to twenty two in your first game? Is pretty well?
Cam Newton when he was good, was it was very good.
If people are wondering what the hell we're talking about here,

(01:10:37):
just joining us Steve mary Yucci, who of course is
a former National FOOTB League head coach now is an
analyst at the NFL Network. Kind of predicted, but with
tongue in cheek. I think that Max Brosmer will throw
for four hundred and eighty five yards today. If you

(01:10:57):
heard it. I don't think he necessarily meant it, but
now it's getting the attention that one might expect. I
also reposted a tweet from Caribbean soul sixty seven Brett
listening to Sunday sermons from the French West Indies Skull.
We've gotten a lot of good tweets and emails and

(01:11:19):
texts from some exotic vacation locations. This I think is
the first I remember from the French West Indies. I
don't even know where the fresh the French West Indies
are other than in the West Indies, I guess, but
it looks like a really nice exotic I see a
palm tree in the background. It's like there might be

(01:11:40):
a glass of Veno, a JBL speaker, one of those
wireless speakers, a couple of nice lounge chairs. Looks like
a little height of guardsy last week. That's true. It
looks like a little pool in the foreground, and then
in the background is the ocean that looks nice.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
That's the obvious question be why in the hell would
you be listening to us? Wolves, By the way, stave
off further disaster by knocking off the Celtics at home
last night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I think it was a four o'clock start, if I'm
not mistaken, maybe five, and it sounded bad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I was actually driving, so I didn't see much of
that game, but it looked like the Wolves well blew
all of a ten point lead again late and got bailed,
in this case by a Mike Conley corner three that
sort of allowed them to breathe a little bit. But
it appeared again that there was at least one bad turnover,

(01:12:48):
a couple of missed free throws, a couple of lousy possessions,
and one really bad foul on the defensive end that
offered up free throws to the Celtics, and the Wolves
survived it. That's the good news. We're going to talk
to Johnny about this again on Monday, because he had

(01:13:08):
a piece just in the dropped in the last week,
basically saying that Anthony Edwards they've decided Anthony Edwards is
their point guard, and we've talked about this. I don't
like it. I think my guess is they're doing it
more out of necessity than out of desire. But I

(01:13:32):
am very concerned about what that poortends moving forward for
this club. If they decide to stick with that approach
at the end of games against really good teams, which
are the teams you tend to see in the postseason,
I think it's absolutely going to come back and bite
him in the butt. I really do. I understand Edwards

(01:13:55):
has gotten better in that regard, and I know the
league is set up in a way where there are
a lot of scoring point guards anymore, but I still
think they are better, more natural orchestrators than he is.
And I'm going to have I think we're going to
try to have. We've got a lot of catch a
lot of catching up to do, both in the toy

(01:14:17):
department and outside of it this week after kind of
a funky week last week with the holiday, but I
want to try to get Double T Trent Tucker on
as well. I heard Tucker I'm in the Zone yesterday,
and it's very clear that Double T is also concerned
about trying to ask Edwards to do more than he

(01:14:37):
really should be should have to do, and it's leading
too much to desperation. Shots by Edwards. Now, he hit
a big one yesterday, but do you count on that
in the playoffs all the time? I know great players
do that some and he can do that. He's concerned
about the point guard position. The head coach after the

(01:15:01):
game made it sound like, well, it's on me for
not maybe using Conley more at the end of games.
Do they go back to that. Mike has been up
and down again this season. Some of the analytics are
not kind to him. So I don't know what the
answer is at this point, but I'm a little concerned,
and I already on record is saying I don't want

(01:15:23):
to mess with John Morant, and I don't even know
who else might be out there available at some point
as this season goes along. But I am not convinced
this works trying to make I just think it's asking
too much of Edwards, not just at this young age

(01:15:43):
because he's young age wise, but he's been in the
league long enough now. It's just more. I don't even
think it's fair. The level of responsibility in burden that's
put on him in that regard, and I still don't
think it gives the team and even Edwards the best
chance to score in the most efficient ways at the

(01:16:04):
end of games. So I'll be curious to get Johnny's
view on that. Tomorrow. I'm sure we'll certainly talk about
Brosmer's four hundred and fifty six yard passing performance as well.
That definitely will be part of the deal. The Mooch
brozemer Bid is a segment they do called hot takes.

(01:16:26):
They make over the Top Bowl predictions you know, necessarily
think are true, but just for fun. Yeah, it's fairly
clear that in this case they were playing around just
a little bit. But as I said earlier, what's been
fascinating just in the last forty eight hours is the
national perspective on Brozmer seems almost more Pollyannish than the

(01:16:48):
local take. And that's saying something because you can almost
expect to get it locally where there's the gopher factor
and there's so much more so, But even nationally there's
been a lot of good conversation, and look, I've said
my view on Brosmer has been I liked him a
lot at the University of Minnesota. I liked his I

(01:17:11):
liked his accuracy, and I liked his demeanor, and I
did like the fact that he's seen to be a
guy who just knew where to where to get the ball,
and he wasn't on a great team, So you say, well,
could that project into something? So when the Vikings announced
they were bringing him in, I wasn't buying Brozman Brownstones,
but I was in. I said, yeah, I'd take a

(01:17:33):
look at him. I definitely take a look at him.
Not because he's local, but because I've seen him. I've
watched more of his games, and I like what I see,
and weirder things have happened in the National Football League
somewhere down the road. On the other hand, I was
very much in the corner that said you got to
you got to move up to get JJ. He's got
a chance to be your guy. You have to go

(01:17:54):
after it with him, for sure. So it wasn't like
I viewed, well, just for we got the McCarthy part
of this, Now just turn the team over to Max Brosmer.
I didn't think it was going to be quite that simple.
Circumstances obviously have changed pretty dramatically to put us in
the place we're in. And there are a number of
occasions in National Football League history. Who's the forty nine

(01:18:18):
ers starting quarterback right now? Rock Party? How did he
get make How did he emerge? He emerged because of injury,
and the Niners had no expectation of making him the guy,
but he just kept playing well enough that they said, well,
he's kind of forcing our hand to this. Does that
mean Brozemer can do the same thing. No, But what

(01:18:38):
it does indicate is weirder things have happened in the
National Football League.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
So for me, it was, yeah, bring him in. Maybe
he'll end up being an option for you see how
he does in camp. And by all accounts, he was
doing well in camp.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
So I wasn't buying up Roseman Brownstones to the degree
that guards he was, but I certainly was intrigued by
what I thought, eventually, you know, might have a chance
to take a look at and see what he might
be able to bring and maybe he could be at
some point a National Football leagu quarterback. So we'll got

(01:19:14):
our first look today. And again, the beauty of it
should be expectations after McCarthy's played this badly should be low,
especially when your factor in, as you mentioned earlier, who
you're playing and where you're playing, the Seattle Seahawks, where
if he carves out something pretty good or something that

(01:19:36):
looks serviceable, I am ready to say at this point
enough has happened that going forward, the Vikings have to
consider all options for twenty twenty six. And that was
but that includes, by the way, McCarthy. I'm not throwing
him out with the bathwater yet, but I'm saying that

(01:19:59):
you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I'm not ready, and I hope the Vikings are ready
to anoint anybody to the position the way they anoint
for next year, next offseason, the way they anointed McCarthy
in twenty twenty five. I think that point, at this point,
that would be a mistake. In fact, I think it
would be an unfortunate message to send to the other
players as as well. At some point, you just let

(01:20:25):
the chips fall, throw people out there, and if it
creates a little bit more of a circus than you intended,
so you pay your coach the big bucks allegedly to
deal with exactly that sort of thing. So we'll see
how that goes. A couple more texts Bradshawn Bryant cafe

(01:20:45):
in text line, which is actually working at this point.
Why can't Max be the next party? The comparison's close
four to five year starter decent program. Neither blew Away
and the ath lesson a scale, but smarts are underrate. Yeah,
so I think I just said weirder things have taken place.
But what if we've learned anything. I think we've learned

(01:21:07):
that there can be no certainty just on the basis
of projections. And right now, the number one thing that
Brozemer has going for him is the slate is clean.
As a pro We've never seen a wart on his game.
We've not seen him throw a single interception. Maybe he won't,
Maybe it'll be the first quarterback in the history of

(01:21:28):
the league to never throw a pick rights as a
professional player. But that's the classic quarterbacks in a backup
quarterback syndrome, where you just project the best of what
you think he represents without considering some of the limitations
as well. That's kind of the position that he's in
right now. And that's why you can't get irrational on
the BIT. We can have fun with the bit, which

(01:21:50):
can't get irrational with the bit. Flimflam. This is controversial.
I sent you a tweet from the Vikings versus Lines
game for the number one seed last January in which
I call for the Vikings to trade AOC for Ben Johnson.
This was during all the KOC trade rumors, but I
was ninety nine percent serious. That game was the icing

(01:22:10):
on the cake for me that Ben Johnson's a better
in game coach going in year five of KOC and
indication he will run the ball less. Maybe you can
ask him at training camp again. Ben Johnson took a
dozen games to get both his backs over one hundred yards.
Bears can suddenly beat anybody well Again, I will say
this in defense of KOC to an extent. You have

(01:22:32):
to play to your strengths. Not all teams are equal.
Part of the reason that Ben Johnson is going the
route he is is he's got a line that looks
even better I think at run blocking than pass blocking.
He's got a veteran running back who's shown a second
life more than I thought he had in him in

(01:22:54):
Swift and then he's got the kid, the rookie who's
been very, very good. Now you can also argue, though,
part of the reason that one two punch looks so potent.
Is Johnson has allowed it to develop? How do you
allow it to develop? You keep handing the ball off,
you get stubborn about it. And we have talked about
the fact that Ben Jonson has no difficulty running the

(01:23:14):
ball on second and ten, none, He'll take six, He'll
take then third and four. And I don't think that's
an approach that our guy appreciates. Now, you know, and
you could say right now, they do have the vikings,
do have two running backs where you could evolve into
more of that if you wanted to. And I've said

(01:23:35):
all along with aj that's the approach that he should take.
He didn't really take it in a significant way, I
think until that last game, and it didn't do him
any good because the accuracy issues are so bad with
McCarthy and I will hope that he does a decent
amount of that with Brozman. The comeback to that as always, well,
if they've got eight guys the line of scrimmage, though

(01:23:57):
that screams exploit it to an extent. That's true, But
I saw the Eagles bring their safety down a decent
amount at least one of them, and the Bear still
run the ball. That's the oldest. We're gonna keep doing
it until you prove you can stop us. Not by
the number of people you have the line of scrimmage,
but whether you stop the actual play. And I think

(01:24:19):
that has to enter into the equation as well. Winning
is often is zagging when everyone else is zigging. Ben
Jonson is smart to push it well. He pushed the
run in Detroit. I mean, he was a guy, and
I don't know again if that was philosophy or belief
that that's one of our strengths, but I think it

(01:24:40):
has helped Caleb Williams. I absolutely think part of the
reason he looks like a better quarterback is he's making
quicker decisions and there's no question about that. And he's
not facing as much as you know, third and sixteen
because last year's been last year's Caleb Woims was getting
act on the first two plays and sometimes with face

(01:25:02):
third and sixteen or third and twenty, and then had
to run around with his like I had, you know,
like his U chicken with his head cut off from
time to time. My in laws are from Iron Mountain Minister, Michigan,
in their accent is much more Minnesotan than Minnesotan's. I
haven't spent any time up there, but I will indeed
believe that Andrew here. Every time there's a snowstorm, good

(01:25:24):
things happened for the Purple. The Minneapolis miracle happened during
a snowstorm. Max Brosner will throw for three hundred plus
yards today, three hundred plus yards speed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Well, I mean to be a hell. Would it not
be a hell of a story if indeed that took place?
What else did I say?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I wanted to get to?

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Is Lane Kiffin gone from ole Miss yet? Has he
taken the LSU job? So sources are that he's going
to take the lsued gig. LSU was expected to hire
Kifing away from ole Miss Sunday, sources told be for letter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
And he's assumed that he will not be allowed by
old mister coach in the postseason. I believe, I think
although somebody said there was a team meeting schedule for
I think nine am Central that got postponed for three hours,
and so there was some speculation what might that mean?
I don't exactly know, but there have already been a
number of and wouldn't want him arounders with the transfer portal.

(01:26:25):
The other thing I meant to get to, Well, it's
the Eagles decide to go for two rather than kick
the extra point that would have put them eight down
to the Bears. Put me in the camp that, no
matter what the analytics people say, says you should have
kicked the single extra point to cut it to eight.
So it's a one score game. The analytics people say, no,

(01:26:50):
you go for to both times every time. God bless you.
I'm not going to dispute that you've done the research
of the statistics on it. I'm just telling you these
players are not a robots. They're human and as such,
you're not going to tell me that you do not
lose a little of your pizazz and zest when you

(01:27:11):
go for two and fail. And now it's a two
score game, with that less time, that little time left
in it, I'll a hundred times out of one hundred
kick the extra point cut it to eight, knowing I
know I'm still going to have to make the two
point conversion and there's no guarantee on that either. I
would still rather have a one score game under that
circumstance and take that kind of a risk, and in fact, well,

(01:27:35):
depending again about the amount of the amount of time
you have left, you can still at that point do
the on side kick, which ultimately they had to do
this time early because they were down nine.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
So I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Don't know what the debate was publicly on that, but
put me firmly in the camp I'm one scorer. I'm
going to go one score game for the emotions of it.
For my team, all I got to do is get
the ball back once, score another touchdown, not easy, but possible,
and then get a two point conversion, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I mean, the theory is you have to go for
two either way, so may as well go for it
there either way. I just like the it's a one
score game, anything can happen, instead of the oh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Gosh, yeah, that's because I think I don't again, I
think it takes the steam and the starch out of
your momentum, out of what your team feels like in
terms of their sense of hope at that point. Thank
you for the texts, thank you for the savagery, whatever
was on your mind, and we enjoyed spending two hours

(01:28:39):
with you. Because the vikings, of course, are at three
o'clock start this afternoon. Vikings Football Sunday starts at one
o'clock and we hope that you will find this a
very satisfying day. For all of you Max Brozemer fans
out there, we'll talk to you tomorrow to review every
bit of it, beginning at three o'clock

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