November 18, 2025 • 42 mins
Common Man Hour 2 --Mark Rosen Joins --Franchise QB --Gophers Football
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Studios afternoon afternoon to you. Were you there on Sunday?
Did you hear the booze?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Were they? Oh? I'm always there on Sundays.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, of course I heard them pretty
hard to dorit.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, you couldn't hear them a little bit, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It wasn't like it was cascading down, but it was,
you know, and rightfully so. The fans were upset and
after watching three plus quarters. I'm not sure it's a
rhetorical question at this point. It's a moot point. But
I had the special teams not let the Vikings down
on that final kickoff, how much more conversation there would
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have been about the eighty five yard drive in the
final minute that McCarthy led them. Wait a minute, I'm
just asking to ask you it's your fallback. I just
think that it's not. It would not have erased what
we saw obviously for three and a half quarters. But also,
I don't know if the question has been posed to
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Koc this week about the you know, the up temple.
It just seemed like I was talking to some of
the other guys about it. JJ got into a rhythm.
He had to because they had to go down the
eighty five yards to score a touchdown through the ball,
through a nice pass to Hockinson.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
He had a ball tip.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
He completed a fourth down pass to I think Aaron Jones,
and then he threw a beautiful pass to Naylor down
to the fifteen yard line. Then he threw the touchdown
to Addison. You know, if the Vikings win that game
and they go well, I mean McCarthy led them to
a winning touchdown the fourth quarter. Again, it doesn't erase
what we saw, the inemptness of what we saw on
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the Josh Freeman like passes that he threw early in
the game, in particular about his overall performances, Koc said
today that Paul Allen, I'm eager for the cement to
start drawing in terms of finishing the product. But I
mean there was there's something to be said about it, which,
of course naturally gets swept under the rug because the
Vikings didn't win the game because the Viking special teams
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couldn't make.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
A tackle well in the quarterback couldn't get the ball
in the end zone because he kept over throwing wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
So it should never have come down no special tea, No,
but it did. I mean that's the welcome to the NFL.
I mean that that's what happened. I'm not I'm not
saying that. Of course McCarthy he was.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was if he had played better, they would have
wanted to laugh.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well I know about a laugher, but they would have
The Bears have been pesky to beat by any standards.
Uh and there you know, But yeah, I mean it was.
It was stunning. The first couple series I turned you
know those the first pass, you know, keep track of
all these games, as you know, at first high pass
he threw to Jefferson or airmail that out of third
and three. I turned it around and I see the
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you know, kind of Murder's role of writers. I just
went shook my head and went here we go again.
And that was that was what was going on. And
you see McCarthy walking off the field after the punt
team trots on and he's smacking himself in the helmet,
like what am I doing? And that went on and
on and on, and the Bears looked like they had
the game more than wrapped up.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But that's why they're the Bears.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
They they managed to put their opponents in position to
win games when you at least expect it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
They're seven and three, they're in first place.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well they're the Bears, I mean.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Seven and three, and they're in first place. I know
where they are, but they're not going to be for long.
I mean, they're gonna probably win this week, but they're
not going to win the division. I hope, I mean
I kind of hope they do. Because I'm a big
Chicago fan. Well, who's going to win the division? That's
a good question.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Green Bay Bears John Detroit can't beat anybody. Their offense
is a mess.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Well they are at the vikingsig certainly get the Eagles
the blueprint for going after the statue that is Jared
Goff when he doesn't have time to throw the football.
I mean, golf looked awful.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Maybe the Bears will win it, and then I'll be
happy about that if they win. I don't know when
I'm seeing Chicago experience some success.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I want the Bikes to win the division.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Well, they're going to have to rattle off on five
in a row to kind of makes it interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But I'm just saying that that.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
The whole point was that I don't know if if
KOs found something in looking at McCarthy going, god, this
up tempo stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
He doesn't have to Well, you.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Can't pay, you can't play. No, we can't play for
the two minute off This is the old cliche. You
can't play your two minute offense tire game. No, I'm
not suggesting you can. But he did look more effective.
It wasn't like the Bears were letting him march down
on the field. They could allow to give up a
touchdown because it almost cost him the game. I mean,
if the Vikings do make a tackle on the twenty
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yard line like they normally do, all of a sudden,
you know, Caleb Williams has to put themselves. He's got
to go fifty sixty yards instead of ten.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Have you changed your mind?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
When we were talking about the Vikings quarterback decision, there
were some people, including me, that thought we should have
kept Sam Darnold, or what with Aaron Rodgers. You said, nope,
gotta go with the youngster. Have you changed your mind
at all? That?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (05:50):
No, only because I still think that for years, the
fans in particular, everyone's been clamoring for a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We had one, Sam Darnald.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Well, we don't know if he was a franchise quarterback.
I mean we saw what happened to Sam Donald playing
the Rams on Sunday again. He threw four interceptions. We
don't know if he was a franchise quarterback. He had
been the third team franchise quarterback. Usually he's identified by
someone like a Bryce Young Like all the other quarterbacks
have been drafted. You draft someone, you develop them, and
then he becomes your franchise quarterback. That's someone you get
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as a free agent to fill in the blanks and
the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And they traded for him, Yeah, I noally did, but
he was can trade for franchise trade for one.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yes, But I'm not you're suggesting. I'm saying they sign
free agent. The Vikings have gone down that road many times.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So you think McCarthy's got a brighter future than Darnold,
I don't know if he has a brighter here asking
the wrong questions.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I don't think I'm because here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I don't know if he has a brighter future a
franchise quarterback. And we had him, and it could have
had him for one hundred million dollars, which was and
then they.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Would not have signed any of the other guys that
they signed, the guys that look at their offensive line,
their offensive line with Fries right now and Dono they
drafted Donovan Jackson that was a draft.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Picks only guy. That and hard Grave finally has played
the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
They you know, signing Cashman Van Ginkel. I mean, these
these have been signings that have been significant enough. I'm
just saying that in general.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, McCarthy turns into a franchise, they're gonna have to
pay him. Well, so you're gonna have to pay him.
If he you're gonna pay him over one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
That'd be a nice problem to have.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Three, you had the franchise quarterback after last year. He
took it to fourteen and three.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, there are a lot of circumstances, but that's a again,
you're identifying as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, he's got Seattle seven and three. He's been a
front runner for the MVP award, one of the one
of that one of the top five players has been
mentioned as an MVP this season.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I just don't think it would have been a whole
lot different what what he experienced against the Rams in
that playoff game. How would they have change that they
didn't improve their offensive line this year? You know, And
I don't know. I mean, I just don't know if
that would have meant. I love Sam Darnald. I think
he's terrific. I mean again, he found his kryptonite this
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last Sunday, and he's going to have to prove it
because the starting point for all these discussions in Seattle's
going to go through the same thing. How do you
perform in the in the postseason? Getting the playoffs isn't
the objective of any of these teams. It's doing something
when you get there. And now Sam Donald's going to
be facing his potentially facing his ghosts again and I hope.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I wish him well. He was he was fabulous to
watch here.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I don't know what McCarthy's going to be, but it's
it's going to be. I think what really killed him.
What was We've talked about this over and over again,
losing all that practice time last year had the you know,
obviously they signed Donald, but when he got hurt in
the preseason and he had to be sidelined the whole year,
he lost all that practice time. And now he's, you know,
trying to make up for it. And fundamentally, I had
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Chris Carter come by me on Sunday during the game
and said to me, you know, he's an Ohio State guy,
as you know, and he did.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
He brought up good points.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
He said, McCarthy when he was at Michigan one of
the best defenses in college football, great running game. He
didn't have to be play hero ball.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
He didn't have to, I.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Know, but I'm just saying that it's added to the
plus the mechanics of what he's what he's not doing now.
I don't understand why mechanically he's having so much trouble.
Whether Kosi still talks about him, is that he's a
freshman quarterback that hasn't played the game. I mean, by now,
you think you'd see some improvement. And again the last
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drive was encouraging, but you know, at this point you
just got to play it through and and see where
he's at, you know, a year from now. It's difficult
to wait. It's difficult to tell people. But they made
the day. The Vikings made the decision to go after
him after you know, the wanted obviously they wanted Drake
me but the price was too high in New England
wasn't interested in making a trade. That's the guy they
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really wanted, but they weren't going to get him. And
you see the results. I mean it's a difference.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Just so what they did instead was they took the
least desirable of those quarterbacks and the head coach thought,
I can coach him up and get him to be
a great one.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And that still may happen, but it may happen.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
But right now, like I said, it's too bad that
at least from a standpoint of winning that game. I mean,
Jordan Love, all these a lot of these quarterbacks are
still kind of people going on. I don't know what
we got with him. You know, Caleb Williams has been
under fire a lot during his short time, but he
started every game for the Bear since day one. Now
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he's got to. Now he's got a real head coach
there who understands offense. And he's still kind of, you know,
sketchy at times.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
All right, we'll see what happens this Sunday at Curly
against a really good defense. We'll see if it gets
any better. Yeah, well, pause, we'll come back. We'll talk
more Vikings football, the golfers.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
That was ugly, and then we talk some wild and
some wolves with Mark Rosen.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
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was yesterday during his day after the game news conference.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Head coach but the soon to be a Big Game
World champion Minnesota Vikings Kevin O'Connell, he was talking. They
were asking about it appears to be some frustrations from
the from from Jefferson, the wide receiver, and he mentioned
that Jefferson is our franchise player. And when you're why
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if you're any team in the NFL and your franchise
player is your wide receiver that speaks volumes, your every
team's franchise player should be their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
That's the guy that wins all the you have to have.
Who's who's the franchise player.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
In Kansas City, It's Mahomes, It's Josh Allen and Buffalo,
all the really good teams, they're franchise players pretty much.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
There are some exceptions.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Franchise players, but they never.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Got us to a big game, never won us a
world championship. No, your quarterback almost has the Lions franchise player.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The Lions, I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
If if I were say they have one would probably
be Gibbs and I don't know what's happening with Hutchinson
is is teams are doubling him every game for the
most part, and and so they're saying, let's say and
right now nobody else. With the Lions, they occasionally will
have another lineman beat somebody, but most of the time
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they can't. So I just unless you have a Unless
you have a you almost have to have your franchise
player has to be a quarter in most cases, doesn't
you know? We know what And we can go through
all the lists of names of players the teams that
won without a franchise. The Giants had Hostetler, they had
Phil Simms, the the the the Buccaneer, the Ravens had Dilferd.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So teams you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's not absolutely one, but in most cases you have
to have your franchise quarterback for.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Long term success has got and lies.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
This discussion is going to continue on and on and on,
and we can have it and we do pretty much
every week. It's now five starts for JJ McCarthy and
at some point it's not going to probably even be
this year. Obviously, he's got he's got to he's got
to finish strong, he's got it looks like he's going
to have to take some and proof but to identify
him as such, or as we talked about during the break,
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that he becomes the next Trey Lance, that you just
eventually have to cut him. That discussion is not going
to happen this year or probably well into next year,
until he gets a whole lot more games under his belt, and.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You know at what cost. I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Always the problem when you have I personally and I
don't know, I look at the rest of the teams
right now in the NFC, especially the top flight teams.
When you look at me, I think at the Eagles
and the Rams arguably number depending on which order you
want to put him one and two.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I don't look at the Vikings as a team that's
that's in that ballpark. They weren't considered that even before
the season from a whole personnel standpoint. I mean, they
weren't favored to win their division. They weren't favored even
though they won thirteen games last year.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I don't think most people felt they were Super Bowl
contending teams. And that's really what you have as a discussion.
I think it's it's the other teams and so you
have to go, Okay, we got to They've made the
decision to try to develop this guy, this young man
five games into his career, and hope he doesn't have
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any more setbacks with injuries, certainly for the rest of
this year. Next year, this whole discussion will continue again.
I think they'd probably bring a veteran quarterback in next
year as a backup. I don't think they're going to
have Max Brosmer as the backup. I think they'll probably
bring in I'm not saying it's going to be a
Sam Darnell type, but you know they're gonna have to
bring someone in that can that can probably play right
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now and not rely on a rookie type of individual
to have as a backup.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, I think they're in too deep now. They got
to keep playing this kid.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Oh, they're going to keep playing him.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I met him as a backup just in case he
gets dinged up or something that you know you're going
to have him in the game. You know, Carson Wentz
isn't going to be back, and you know, so I'm
just saying, you're going to have a type, that type
of a quarterback that I think the Vikings are going
to have to look for uh next season as they
continue this process with with him. But yeah, I mean
it's team. We've seen it time and time again. Teams
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stake their claim to a to a guy that hits
their wagon, to a quarterback, and it's it can be dicey.
It's a tough as position to play and to master
and to get to that point. Uh and five games in,
it's just it looks, you know right now. I mean,
he's got to keep his head above water. And as
they say, wait for the cement to dry, is because
it ain't drying right now. It's it's hard to watch it.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Just it is.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
I was out there and I thought over and over again,
and he's got athletic ability. He looks like, you know,
he can try to figure things out. Like I said,
that last drive, you looked good, but you can't rely
on that to to try to win a football game
every week. And he played well against the Lions in Detroit,
so you don't yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it
was it wasn't spectacular, but you have to put up
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big numbers. You just have to winning football, and that's
what you look for, especially in crucial drives at the
end of football games.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I don't know. Meanwhile, the Vikings are kind of just
spinning their wheels and and it's with.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Any given so you know, you can use this on
Ony Vikings game day, Okay, any given Sunday. But I
have a hard time picking the Vikings beating the Packers
at Lambou right now.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I would really they've
had success there, but you know, the Packers have got
their own issues.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And they haven't exactly been No, they.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Lost games to teams they probably shouldn't lose games too,
and they almost I mean, the Giants weren't into the rent.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
The reason I mentioned Bryce look at.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I mean, Carolina is a playoff caliber type team right now,
and a lot of it's because of their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Young franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He struggled last Yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Can prove they're right. He's gotten a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
He had last game. He was really good.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
If you go look at out his previous game. He
had a couple of other out of the what's their
record now? Six and five of the of the eleven games.
I think they're six and five, but eleven games they've
played just just numbers, and numbers can be deceived.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
His stats don't always determine how a guy plays.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But if you go look at his numbers, he's had
a handful of of of of statistically good games. He's
had a handful that haven't been so well. And but
but yeah, he's better than he did last year. Well, yeah,
of course they're gonna roll. They selected him.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Was he number one?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Was number one overalls? Yeah, yeah, they're they're gonna They're
gonna roll with him for a while.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I'm sure they will with McCarthy. They don't have
any of the choice. The coach's reputation and the general
managers is hanging on it right now. It's how you
lose your job if it doesn't pan out. Yeah, so, uh,
they're gonna stick with those. Uh, they're gonna stick with them.
We'll see what happens on Sunday. You'll hear the game.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Is that a noon on Earth?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
That's a.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Sou Coupverage begins at ten o'clock here in the radio
station to kick off shortly after.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Uh fifty degrees in Green Bay. So for those of
you going out to fifty degrees here wellretty much same thing. Yeah,
late November game.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Fifties and on Saturday and I think about fifty on
let's take a break, come back, we'll talk about about
the golphers and the wolves in the wild with Mark
Rosen here on the.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
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Speaker 3 (20:13):
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Speaker 2 (20:22):
In Minnesota, bobos are ridiculous bench JJ for what Look
at lway Manning and Akman in their first years get
off JJ and start ripping on our GM. He doesn't
have a clue to what he's doing. Well, the general
manager draft of so what do you mean that doesn't
have a clue? And here's the other you know, the
everybody uses the the Manning example in all the others.
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We'll look at Ponder, Joey Harrington.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
There's a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
In Trey Lance in their first seasons, right, do you
remember Trey Lance in his first these awful?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You remember Ponder awful? Do you remember Joey Harrington for
Detroit third pick?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Overall?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
He was awful? In other words, in other words, Ryan
Leaf in other words.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
There have been more examples of players that struggle in
their first year and continue to struggle till.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
They were out of the league in three or four years.
So it can go you the way. And it is
possible that McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Figures things out game by game, gets a little bit better,
gets his eyes in his feet alime, which you probably
should have learned at the IMG Academy about twenty years ago,
but apparently he didn't. And if you're able to do that,
maybe he will. But I think I think it's looking
more like there's a better chance he's going to be
more ponder light than he is.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I'm not willing to go down that road yet. I
just think it's far from a perfect science when you're
dealing with it. You can do all the scouting work
you want and all the testing and they do, and
the combines and the measurables and the rest of it,
and you still have to what. You can't figure out
how in real time how a young quarterback is going
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to react. You can't duplicate that in any practice, in
any simulated game until a game situation when you know
you've got a three hundred pound lineman coming out trying
to tear your head off, and are you trying to complete,
you know, as getting getting the play call in. And
it's the complications of these offenses. You know, you have
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to be cerebral enough to figure it all out. There's
a lot that goes into it. And you know, obviously
McCarthy's not ready for all of that just yet, and
that's what they're hopeful that he's going to figure out.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
As this season goes along.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You've still got seven games left, seven long games left
to play.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
And here go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Here are the Bryce Young numbers for this year, YEP.
Starting with the first game of the season against Jacksonville.
We'll go with yards TDS, interceptions and rating one four
one toudy two interceptions of forty nine rating against Arizona
much better three hundred and twenty eight yards, three toties
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at pick, ninety point six against Atlanta one hundred and
twenty one yards passing, no tudies, no picks, seventy eight
point six against New England one hundred and fifty yards,
one tuty, no interceptions, eighty four rating against Miami one
hundred and ninety eight yards, two touchdowns, one tuty in
ninety point seven rating against Dallas one hundred and ninety
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nine yards, three touchdowns, an interception, A one fourteen point
eight against the Jets one hundred and thirty eight yards
with one toutty, no interceptions, eighty eight point four against
Green Bay three for only one hundred and two yards,
no tudies in interception, forty eight point three against New
Orleans one hundred and twenty four yards, no touchdowns, interception
for sixty two point eight rating.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Then last week is big game.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Four hundred and forty eight, three touties, no interception, one
hundred and twenty three point two those number.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That's an okay season at best. He's playing better than
he was. What does that say? That's I'm saying too
much know.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I I don't know how many other quarterbacks you could
probably who are contending type teams have pretty similar numbers.
I don't know what Jordan loves numbers are right now,
and he's been up and down, and you know, we've seen,
like I said, I was reading an article today about
Jalen Hurts of all people, the Eagles, who have all
the poise of a champion and that ability to close
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teams out, and we saw it again the other night
against the Kiddies.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, Jordan loves numbers are certainly better, I would think so.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
For twenty four and twenty mane yards has fifteen touchdowns
and only three hundred seven.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The quarterback rating is one oh three point two. That's
the total.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
These interceptions are also killing McCarthy and the fact that
the Vikings and we said it, I've said it over
and over again again. Sunday was another perfect example. You
lose the turnover ballot, you're probably going to lose the game.
And the Vikings just can't, for the life of them
create turnovers. They had one the Bears fumbled the ball away.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
He's had eight turnovers the season, and five were against
the Bengals, right, I think five in the Bengals game
thought for touchdowns and so otherwise, I think it's only
either three or four all year turnovers since then.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, I mean, you can't.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You know, you can't expect to win games like that
and you don't you lose a turnover ballet, you're gonna
lose most of those games. And you know, to have
McArthur even work with a short field just once in
a while would be refreshing. But the Vikings defense, you know,
they've gotten better, but they sometimes just luck and sometimes
it's just they haven't had the skill level to pick
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off passes, and that's that's really hurting them.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
It certainly isn't helping.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
No, it is not.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Minnesota Golden Golf for football team.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
They are.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
They've played three really quality teams and number one Ohio
State right got bead was forty two three. I think
played Iowa, who it wasn't ranked at the time.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think after that win they jumped to twentieth and
I think they maybe even eighteenth, but I think they're
in the top twenty, top twenty five. They got just
destroyed by Iowa and then they went to Oregon. They
did score a touchdown. Oh goody, but they got destroyed
by number eight. I think Oregon was radied at eight
point into that game. So again, when it comes to
playing the best teams in the conference, the golfers are
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just woefully.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
They're back in their back of their weight class this
week and though they're underdogs at regular field against Northwestern,
but the Iowa game sticks out again because the Golphers
have been competitive against the Hawkeyes. That game was just
I mean, from start to finish on national TV. I'm
still stunned by how nept Minnesota looked. I mean, I've
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watched the Iowa play a couple of times and they've
had some success. They've lost a couple of games. I
think they also were but you.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Know they're.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
They The Golphers made them look like a combination of
of the Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs and their
prime that day, I mean, Minnesota couldn't do anything right
that day. They and they just just got flat out
beaten every facet of the game, you know, losing at
Ohio State the way they did, and I was expecting
me again almost fill in the blanks with what happened
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against Oregon last week, going on the road and playing
that team. Uh, you know that with their speed and
the kind of recruiting they're able to do compared to
the Gophers, it's it's a mismatch. But it's just these
these are the games again, like this week, we say
this over and over again. You know, they beat Nebraska,
that was their one big win if you want to
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call it that. This is a game that they have
to find a way to win. It's like I said,
they're in back in their weight class and they you know,
in order to move the needle a little bit. You know,
when when beat Northwestern, they're a decent team, they're not
a great team. And the Gophers should be better than
this right now to capitalize on a game like this
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and find a way to win this game. And I think,
you know, Wisconsin's gotten a little bit better. There's a
little more competitive, but they're not great. They got them
left on the schedule. Otherwise it's you know, Mini Key
Car Bowl again, whatever they're going to play in. And
you know, the recruiting seems to be going well and
signing different players. But I keep talking about how young
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every year. It seems like the Goalers are the youngest
team in the college football year after year. And I
like the quarterback. I think he's got skill and I
think he could, you know, turn into a very very
good quarterback. But it's it's the other players around you
too that you just have to Darius Taylor is any
in one game, and unfortunately the young man can't stay
healthy and he's in and out of the lineup a lot.
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Their defense is okay, quite perrich is. You know, it's
their big name on defense.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
How would it be years he had has he been
I I think.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
He's I think it's been okay. I don't think it's been.
I don't think it's been a standout year for him
in terms of, you know, he's he was going to
play more offense. I don't think he's played. Uh some
times I've been watching he hasn't had that much of
an effect on the the offense. Obviously playing defense, returning
punts and kicks, but you know, he hasn't had the
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huge impact that Cooper Dejine had uh at Iowa just yet.
And again he's it's the second year. But yeah, it's
just these are the games, like on Saturday at the
golfers have to win.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
They just do. If you want to be looked upon
as a team. That's you know, I say moving the
needle a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah, I may not.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
I mean, it's not gonna it's not gonna put him
in a better Bowl game at beating Northwestern. But it's
just but these are the games that you know, as
as a slight underdog, you know, you expect that Minnesota
should be better than if.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You are resign, if you're resigned to the idea that
we're going to be a middle of the pack Big
Ten team, which I am. I don't think we're ever
going to ever be any better than that, and even
more so now because of of of nil, because we,
for whatever reason, don't generate the same amount of name,
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image and likeness money as some of the other schools
do for whatever reasons. And they're there there there there
are many reasons why. But I never thought they would
get there even before that, because it's just I used
to go by historically. Now you can point to Indiana
and Wisconsin on a few occasions and other clubs. But yeah,
so if you beat Northwestern, okay, that's great, you know,
that's nice, But that doesn't to me move the Needle
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and then who do they have after that?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
They have Wisconsins. I think there's only two games left,
isn't it right? So you beat Northwestern and you beat
Wisconsin and you go to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That would be six and three in the conference, I guess,
and eight and four overall. And okay, that's fine, But again,
are you in closer to taking that to really moving?
And it works like you know what, We're We're getting
closer to being able to go toe to toe with
the with the Ohio States, the Michigan's, the Oregons, and
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Iowa was in Penn State. Well Penn State was terrible
this year. But yeah, at that point, well, yeah, I
just don't see it right now, I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
See Well, you always look forward to, I mean, if
you're a big ten fan particularly, always look for to
the Ohio State Michigan game. And I was saying, most
of the time be a toss of a coin in
terms of really who's favorite this year? Mean, Ohio State's
got to be two touchdown favorites in that game when
they play Michigan. They may not be that high, but
I mean, it just feels like it's going to be
a dominant type win for Ohio State. I know Michigan
(31:39):
will get up for the game. I don't even know
where the game is this year, if it's an an
Arbor or Columbus. But you know, Ohio State is clearly
the best team. And you know Ohio State in Indiana
on the proverbial collision course for the Big Ten championship
and obviously the playoffs as well. But you know, potentially,
and I think most people are faultue respect to the
(31:59):
buck Eyes. I think looking for Indiana to kind of
crack through and and continue on with the games in
Michigan this year, Ohio State is it? Yeah, well I
give them a fighting chance, but I don't think much
much difference.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, if you want to talk about Sam Darnold and
his ghosts, I think Ohio State as.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Ghost Oh boy, did they ever?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I think?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, you know again, you can use this if you want.
When Ohio State and that school up north get together,
you can throw the records out the window.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Normally you can.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I think you can. Yeah, I mean you could. Last year.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, Ohio State was were they never won last year
when the two teams, but I think they were. I
believe in Michigan won the game. Yeah, So it could happen.
Did Ohio State win last year? They finally win last year.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I don't even recall anymore. I know that Day had
had his problems with them. Let me see if I
can find the score.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean, what they had talked about was that's the
way it is actually at at the Ohio. That's great
that you won the national championship, but you lost a missigan.
That's what That's all that matters. It really does carries.
It carries a lot of weight. Your golfer team five
of the last six, or I mean a Wolves team
five of the last six, well, all they do is win.
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They're just gelling and stacking.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Me boy, well they're stacking against teams that you know,
are under five hundred. They haven't beat a team of
the winning record yet. And that's there's a lot more
to come with that. But we've also seen this team
stub its toe against these teams like well, Dallas Mavericks
have always been a really very good basketball team. Now
they're just a wreck and they're playing another one, uh,
(33:38):
the worst team, arguably the worst team in basketball tomorrow,
Washington is in town.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And these are teams you have to put away.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I mean, it's you don't have to apologize for beating them,
but you'd be nice to beat a team of the
winning record.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I know they got a couple other games.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
They got Phoenix's Friday night on the road, that's the
team of the winning record, and then next week they
got their first matchup on the road against the thun
which will be kind of their first big test of
the season. But yeah, I mean, it's you're getting Last night,
I mean, it wasn't a banner game. Ian Randall and
Edwards I think were combined nine for thirty from the
(34:13):
field and they still won one hundred and twenty to
ninety six. Nas Reda is working into shape and looking
really good. I mean coming off the bench. You know,
he had his he had twenty two points and he
had twelve rebounds, and you know NAS's had, you know,
after some deep personal family issues, has been kind of
rounding into shape and playing better and getting some quality minutes.
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And you know there's still I think you know, Rob
Dilliham played more, you know, and that's the advantage you
have to have when you play teams like this, as
you like to call them the Oswalds. You got to
get your bench some quality time on the court and
know who to count on when it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Bear je is the coach doing that? Is he playing?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He last night?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
They did.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Last night they did, but I mean not not until.
I mean, it wasn't like all those guys were still
in single figures. I think for for well minutes, Jillian
played thirteen minutes up, Leonard Miller even played ten minutes.
And you know, but Clark is kind of a regular
off the bench. I wouldn't count him as a guy
that doesn't get playing time. He's almost their first guy
off the bench, not along with Nas. But yeah, they
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put him away. And man, Dallas, what I mean Hooper Flags,
you know, a young, good looking player, but man, oh man,
they got a mess there right now, and that's why
they fired the GM and they got guys hurt.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Kyrie is still out.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
And you know, they're four and four and eleven right now,
the Dallas Mavericks, and they've always been, you know, contending
team and right there at the the finish line, and
now they're the.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Wolves are beating the teams are supposed to be right,
but they're losing to to to the quality team.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And that's what has to change.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I lost to the Lakers. They lost to the Nuggets.
I lost the Lakers a second time. They they lost
to the Knickerbockers.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yep, and then they.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And they lost to the Nuggets again.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So yeah, and then they're they're they're being the MAVs
and the Kings and the Jazz and and those clubs.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
That's again, you're supposed to do and they've not done
that the last couple of years. And situations which are
almost kind of embarrassing sometimes. But play eighty two of
these things and you're going to have bad nights, but
hopefully they'll be all take care of business. You know,
Washington's just awful. I don't even know how they can
feel the basketball team. I can't imagine going to a
game there. Just here's a couple of tickets go.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I'm reminded by a couple of text messagers. Michigan did
win last year thirteen to ten. Because if you're a member,
there was there was the the rumor that if Ohio
State didn't then turn around and win the national championship that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Day was going to get fired. Thay goodbye it because
he couldn't beat Michigan.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He could have beat that school up North and then
someone else said, last year was the big flag planting
fight after.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The Big Blue One, And I remember that now, Big Blue.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
One at at the Ohio State and they went to
the center of the field to put their flag down,
and then that's when Ohio State players went berserk and
there was pushing and shoving in.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
The hole the crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, well, no, it's you want Iowa planting their flag
and middle of running in Bank Stadium.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I think, uh, did you put up with that?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I think a member of Wisconsins Wisconsin taking the acts
and pretending to chop down the goal.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, I didn't like that one.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Of course, you didn't know you liked this wild club though,
now don't you?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Well, I mean once Halloween, once we got out of
the month of October tenby are we six one and
one in November?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What do you think of him? Now you're gonna be
heading down to Saint Paul that.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
You like in November to remember, there you go. You're
gonna head down eventually, Yeah, I hope. So it's kind
of busy right now, but a lot of holiday stuff
and everything. But to see the Springsteen movie last I
didn't watch the second of the Wolves game. What no
I was that I went to see the Bruce Springs movie,
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which with a bunch of friends I was. I enjoyed
it a lot. Jeremy White, I think the guy, you know,
it's he was terrific as Bruce. And it's based on
his album Nebraska, and you know, the nineteen eighty two
album when he was really at his lowest point in
his life and dealing with a great deal of depression
and you know, kind of flashing back to how abusive
his father was, et cetera, et cetera. So it wasn't
just a you know, a love story about his Bruce's
(38:23):
music and how I turned into Bruce Springsteen. But yeah,
I I I enjoyed it. It was really well done,
kind of a different glimpse of him. Would you recommend
people go see it?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I would? I would.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
I mean it's hard to I mean, I mean, you know,
you watch movies like that and I'm Rammy Mellick played
Freddie Mercury and you know, and in Queen from Queen,
but it's it's hard to play. You know, what's that
Shallow May played Dylan want of, you know, phenomenal performance
and I think Jeremy White's every bit as good as
a young Springsteen uh during this time in nineteen eighty
(38:57):
one eighty two and his ups and Islands. It's difficult
to kind of pull that off, to kind of suspend
your belief and realize you're you're watching an actor play
a iconic uh person like Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
But yeah, I enjoyed it. It was it was It
was good.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
What are your plans for this weekend?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Then?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
What do you what do you got going the rest
of the weekend?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
This week?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I got a fashion show on Friday night with Fashion Well,
I'm involved when it's a it's a fundraiser for the
Minnesota it's the hospital. What am I thinking of? Masonic
Children's Hospital. Yeah, yeah, it's a big fundraiser. A lot
of a lot of people are being asked to model.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Are you modeling?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I'm modeling with Karen and for we're doing that right.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Bathrobes from I wish is that what you're modeling? Those
white bathrooms?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
From the found that would be that would be you
know what we should have done.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
I mean it's too we should we should walk out
with our dress clothes underneath and have the bathrobes on overneath.
That would be a as long as I live, I know.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
So that's.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, that's on yeah, Friday night, Yes, I believe. So
I got to look at my all my calendar, you know. Yeah,
so that's going on Friday, and I don't know what
else is going on Thanksgiving. No, I'm I got my
show here. I I really don't travel anymore to these games.
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So I got my pregame show to do on Sunday morning,
probably watching it, watching it from my friendly confines of
my home after the show is over at eleven. And
then Thanksgiving next week already, my goodness, Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Green Bay at Detroit and I don't know. I know
Dallas is in the other game, but I don't three
of them, but I don't know who Dallas is playing.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I don't know there's an AFC game. I'm assuming I
don't know who's.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Playing either at Thursday night. That makes makes it difficult.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
How about a Roger the broken left for wist he
will not need surgery.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
According to the reports that I play, they play the
Bears this week, right, I think they you gotta play,
you don't you do?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Eat some dirt and rub some robo tustin left left wrist.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I had a quarterback last night check Sometimes it looks
like he's thawing with his left hand.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
But you got to play them that game in Pittsburgh
or Chicago. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I don't know, but I know it's a big one.
Are in first place and you're disjusting the.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Bear I'm not I'm not listening.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
I'm happy for Kevin Warren and all all the folks
that were here from Chicago over the weekend. Courtney Cronin
and saw a lot of friends from Chicago work for
the Bears this weekend. I was very happy for him.
I wasn't happy for him anyway. Well, I wasn't happy
they won the game.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I think it sounds like you like this Bears cloth.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
I like the people who work for the Bears. I don't.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I didn't want them to win the game. Get my loyalties.
My wife works for the Vikings. I've been a Viking
fan longer a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, that's that's true too. We'll see you tomorrow two o'clock, right,
I will be here. Yes, that's the legendary one. Tanna
Be Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
A great job. You as well, we joy to visit
with you today. We're back tomorrow at twelve noon. Big
Ticket and Brett Blake Moore our next here on the fan.
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Speaker 4 (42:16):
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Speaker 3 (42:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Studios afternoon afternoon to you. Were you there on Sunday?
Did you hear the booze?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Were they? Oh? I'm always there on Sundays.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, of course I heard them pretty
hard to dorit.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, you couldn't hear them a little bit, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It wasn't like it was cascading down, but it was,
you know, and rightfully so. The fans were upset and
after watching three plus quarters. I'm not sure it's a
rhetorical question at this point. It's a moot point. But
I had the special teams not let the Vikings down
on that final kickoff, how much more conversation there would
(01:34):
have been about the eighty five yard drive in the
final minute that McCarthy led them. Wait a minute, I'm
just asking to ask you it's your fallback. I just
think that it's not. It would not have erased what
we saw obviously for three and a half quarters. But also,
I don't know if the question has been posed to
(01:56):
Koc this week about the you know, the up temple.
It just seemed like I was talking to some of
the other guys about it. JJ got into a rhythm.
He had to because they had to go down the
eighty five yards to score a touchdown through the ball,
through a nice pass to Hockinson.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
He had a ball tip.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
He completed a fourth down pass to I think Aaron Jones,
and then he threw a beautiful pass to Naylor down
to the fifteen yard line. Then he threw the touchdown
to Addison. You know, if the Vikings win that game
and they go well, I mean McCarthy led them to
a winning touchdown the fourth quarter. Again, it doesn't erase
what we saw, the inemptness of what we saw on
(02:34):
the Josh Freeman like passes that he threw early in
the game, in particular about his overall performances, Koc said
today that Paul Allen, I'm eager for the cement to
start drawing in terms of finishing the product. But I
mean there was there's something to be said about it, which,
of course naturally gets swept under the rug because the
Vikings didn't win the game because the Viking special teams
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couldn't make.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
A tackle well in the quarterback couldn't get the ball
in the end zone because he kept over throwing wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
So it should never have come down no special tea, No,
but it did. I mean that's the welcome to the NFL.
I mean that that's what happened. I'm not I'm not
saying that. Of course McCarthy he was.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was if he had played better, they would have
wanted to laugh.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well I know about a laugher, but they would have
The Bears have been pesky to beat by any standards.
Uh and there you know, But yeah, I mean it was.
It was stunning. The first couple series I turned you
know those the first pass, you know, keep track of
all these games, as you know, at first high pass
he threw to Jefferson or airmail that out of third
and three. I turned it around and I see the
(03:36):
you know, kind of Murder's role of writers. I just
went shook my head and went here we go again.
And that was that was what was going on. And
you see McCarthy walking off the field after the punt
team trots on and he's smacking himself in the helmet,
like what am I doing? And that went on and
on and on, and the Bears looked like they had
the game more than wrapped up.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But that's why they're the Bears.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
They they managed to put their opponents in position to
win games when you at least expect it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
They're seven and three, they're in first place.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well they're the Bears, I mean.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Seven and three, and they're in first place. I know
where they are, but they're not going to be for long.
I mean, they're gonna probably win this week, but they're
not going to win the division. I hope, I mean
I kind of hope they do. Because I'm a big
Chicago fan. Well, who's going to win the division? That's
a good question.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Green Bay Bears John Detroit can't beat anybody. Their offense
is a mess.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Well they are at the vikingsig certainly get the Eagles
the blueprint for going after the statue that is Jared
Goff when he doesn't have time to throw the football.
I mean, golf looked awful.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Maybe the Bears will win it, and then I'll be
happy about that if they win. I don't know when
I'm seeing Chicago experience some success.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I want the Bikes to win the division.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Well, they're going to have to rattle off on five
in a row to kind of makes it interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But I'm just saying that that.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
The whole point was that I don't know if if
KOs found something in looking at McCarthy going, god, this
up tempo stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
He doesn't have to Well, you.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Can't pay, you can't play. No, we can't play for
the two minute off This is the old cliche. You
can't play your two minute offense tire game. No, I'm
not suggesting you can. But he did look more effective.
It wasn't like the Bears were letting him march down
on the field. They could allow to give up a
touchdown because it almost cost him the game. I mean,
if the Vikings do make a tackle on the twenty
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yard line like they normally do, all of a sudden,
you know, Caleb Williams has to put themselves. He's got
to go fifty sixty yards instead of ten.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Have you changed your mind?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
When we were talking about the Vikings quarterback decision, there
were some people, including me, that thought we should have
kept Sam Darnold, or what with Aaron Rodgers. You said, nope,
gotta go with the youngster. Have you changed your mind
at all? That?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (05:50):
No, only because I still think that for years, the
fans in particular, everyone's been clamoring for a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We had one, Sam Darnald.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Well, we don't know if he was a franchise quarterback.
I mean we saw what happened to Sam Donald playing
the Rams on Sunday again. He threw four interceptions. We
don't know if he was a franchise quarterback. He had
been the third team franchise quarterback. Usually he's identified by
someone like a Bryce Young Like all the other quarterbacks
have been drafted. You draft someone, you develop them, and
then he becomes your franchise quarterback. That's someone you get
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as a free agent to fill in the blanks and
the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And they traded for him, Yeah, I noally did, but
he was can trade for franchise trade for one.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yes, But I'm not you're suggesting. I'm saying they sign
free agent. The Vikings have gone down that road many times.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So you think McCarthy's got a brighter future than Darnold,
I don't know if he has a brighter here asking
the wrong questions.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I don't think I'm because here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I don't know if he has a brighter future a
franchise quarterback. And we had him, and it could have
had him for one hundred million dollars, which was and
then they.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Would not have signed any of the other guys that
they signed, the guys that look at their offensive line,
their offensive line with Fries right now and Dono they
drafted Donovan Jackson that was a draft.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Picks only guy. That and hard Grave finally has played
the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
They you know, signing Cashman Van Ginkel. I mean, these
these have been signings that have been significant enough. I'm
just saying that in general.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, McCarthy turns into a franchise, they're gonna have to
pay him. Well, so you're gonna have to pay him.
If he you're gonna pay him over one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
That'd be a nice problem to have.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Three, you had the franchise quarterback after last year. He
took it to fourteen and three.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, there are a lot of circumstances, but that's a again,
you're identifying as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, he's got Seattle seven and three. He's been a
front runner for the MVP award, one of the one
of that one of the top five players has been
mentioned as an MVP this season.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I just don't think it would have been a whole
lot different what what he experienced against the Rams in
that playoff game. How would they have change that they
didn't improve their offensive line this year? You know, And
I don't know. I mean, I just don't know if
that would have meant. I love Sam Darnald. I think
he's terrific. I mean again, he found his kryptonite this
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last Sunday, and he's going to have to prove it
because the starting point for all these discussions in Seattle's
going to go through the same thing. How do you
perform in the in the postseason? Getting the playoffs isn't
the objective of any of these teams. It's doing something
when you get there. And now Sam Donald's going to
be facing his potentially facing his ghosts again and I hope.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I wish him well. He was he was fabulous to
watch here.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I don't know what McCarthy's going to be, but it's
it's going to be. I think what really killed him.
What was We've talked about this over and over again,
losing all that practice time last year had the you know,
obviously they signed Donald, but when he got hurt in
the preseason and he had to be sidelined the whole year,
he lost all that practice time. And now he's, you know,
trying to make up for it. And fundamentally, I had
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Chris Carter come by me on Sunday during the game
and said to me, you know, he's an Ohio State guy,
as you know, and he did.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
He brought up good points.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
He said, McCarthy when he was at Michigan one of
the best defenses in college football, great running game. He
didn't have to be play hero ball.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
He didn't have to, I.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Know, but I'm just saying that it's added to the
plus the mechanics of what he's what he's not doing now.
I don't understand why mechanically he's having so much trouble.
Whether Kosi still talks about him, is that he's a
freshman quarterback that hasn't played the game. I mean, by now,
you think you'd see some improvement. And again the last
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drive was encouraging, but you know, at this point you
just got to play it through and and see where
he's at, you know, a year from now. It's difficult
to wait. It's difficult to tell people. But they made
the day. The Vikings made the decision to go after
him after you know, the wanted obviously they wanted Drake
me but the price was too high in New England
wasn't interested in making a trade. That's the guy they
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really wanted, but they weren't going to get him. And
you see the results. I mean it's a difference.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Just so what they did instead was they took the
least desirable of those quarterbacks and the head coach thought,
I can coach him up and get him to be
a great one.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And that still may happen, but it may happen.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
But right now, like I said, it's too bad that
at least from a standpoint of winning that game. I mean,
Jordan Love, all these a lot of these quarterbacks are
still kind of people going on. I don't know what
we got with him. You know, Caleb Williams has been
under fire a lot during his short time, but he
started every game for the Bear since day one. Now
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he's got to. Now he's got a real head coach
there who understands offense. And he's still kind of, you know,
sketchy at times.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
All right, we'll see what happens this Sunday at Curly
against a really good defense. We'll see if it gets
any better. Yeah, well, pause, we'll come back. We'll talk
more Vikings football, the golfers.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
That was ugly, and then we talk some wild and
some wolves with Mark Rosen.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Come next.
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
Double thirteen fourteen past common Man Polgram. I think it
was yesterday during his day after the game news conference.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Head coach but the soon to be a Big Game
World champion Minnesota Vikings Kevin O'Connell, he was talking. They
were asking about it appears to be some frustrations from
the from from Jefferson, the wide receiver, and he mentioned
that Jefferson is our franchise player. And when you're why
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if you're any team in the NFL and your franchise
player is your wide receiver that speaks volumes, your every
team's franchise player should be their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
That's the guy that wins all the you have to have.
Who's who's the franchise player.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
In Kansas City, It's Mahomes, It's Josh Allen and Buffalo,
all the really good teams, they're franchise players pretty much.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
There are some exceptions.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Franchise players, but they never.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Got us to a big game, never won us a
world championship. No, your quarterback almost has the Lions franchise player.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The Lions, I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
If if I were say they have one would probably
be Gibbs and I don't know what's happening with Hutchinson
is is teams are doubling him every game for the
most part, and and so they're saying, let's say and
right now nobody else. With the Lions, they occasionally will
have another lineman beat somebody, but most of the time
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they can't. So I just unless you have a Unless
you have a you almost have to have your franchise
player has to be a quarter in most cases, doesn't
you know? We know what And we can go through
all the lists of names of players the teams that
won without a franchise. The Giants had Hostetler, they had
Phil Simms, the the the the Buccaneer, the Ravens had Dilferd.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So teams you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's not absolutely one, but in most cases you have
to have your franchise quarterback for.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Long term success has got and lies.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
This discussion is going to continue on and on and on,
and we can have it and we do pretty much
every week. It's now five starts for JJ McCarthy and
at some point it's not going to probably even be
this year. Obviously, he's got he's got to he's got
to finish strong, he's got it looks like he's going
to have to take some and proof but to identify
him as such, or as we talked about during the break,
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that he becomes the next Trey Lance, that you just
eventually have to cut him. That discussion is not going
to happen this year or probably well into next year,
until he gets a whole lot more games under his belt, and.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You know at what cost. I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Always the problem when you have I personally and I
don't know, I look at the rest of the teams
right now in the NFC, especially the top flight teams.
When you look at me, I think at the Eagles
and the Rams arguably number depending on which order you
want to put him one and two.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I don't look at the Vikings as a team that's
that's in that ballpark. They weren't considered that even before
the season from a whole personnel standpoint. I mean, they
weren't favored to win their division. They weren't favored even
though they won thirteen games last year.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I don't think most people felt they were Super Bowl
contending teams. And that's really what you have as a discussion.
I think it's it's the other teams and so you
have to go, Okay, we got to They've made the
decision to try to develop this guy, this young man
five games into his career, and hope he doesn't have
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any more setbacks with injuries, certainly for the rest of
this year. Next year, this whole discussion will continue again.
I think they'd probably bring a veteran quarterback in next
year as a backup. I don't think they're going to
have Max Brosmer as the backup. I think they'll probably
bring in I'm not saying it's going to be a
Sam Darnell type, but you know they're gonna have to
bring someone in that can that can probably play right
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now and not rely on a rookie type of individual
to have as a backup.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, I think they're in too deep now. They got
to keep playing this kid.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Oh, they're going to keep playing him.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I met him as a backup just in case he
gets dinged up or something that you know you're going
to have him in the game. You know, Carson Wentz
isn't going to be back, and you know, so I'm
just saying, you're going to have a type, that type
of a quarterback that I think the Vikings are going
to have to look for uh next season as they
continue this process with with him. But yeah, I mean
it's team. We've seen it time and time again. Teams
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stake their claim to a to a guy that hits
their wagon, to a quarterback, and it's it can be dicey.
It's a tough as position to play and to master
and to get to that point. Uh and five games in,
it's just it looks, you know right now. I mean,
he's got to keep his head above water. And as
they say, wait for the cement to dry, is because
it ain't drying right now. It's it's hard to watch it.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Just it is.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
I was out there and I thought over and over again,
and he's got athletic ability. He looks like, you know,
he can try to figure things out. Like I said,
that last drive, you looked good, but you can't rely
on that to to try to win a football game
every week. And he played well against the Lions in Detroit,
so you don't yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it
was it wasn't spectacular, but you have to put up
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big numbers. You just have to winning football, and that's
what you look for, especially in crucial drives at the
end of football games.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I don't know. Meanwhile, the Vikings are kind of just
spinning their wheels and and it's with.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Any given so you know, you can use this on
Ony Vikings game day, Okay, any given Sunday. But I
have a hard time picking the Vikings beating the Packers
at Lambou right now.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I would really they've
had success there, but you know, the Packers have got
their own issues.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And they haven't exactly been No, they.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Lost games to teams they probably shouldn't lose games too,
and they almost I mean, the Giants weren't into the rent.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
The reason I mentioned Bryce look at.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I mean, Carolina is a playoff caliber type team right now,
and a lot of it's because of their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Young franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He struggled last Yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Can prove they're right. He's gotten a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
He had last game. He was really good.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
If you go look at out his previous game. He
had a couple of other out of the what's their
record now? Six and five of the of the eleven games.
I think they're six and five, but eleven games they've
played just just numbers, and numbers can be deceived.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
His stats don't always determine how a guy plays.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But if you go look at his numbers, he's had
a handful of of of of statistically good games. He's
had a handful that haven't been so well. And but
but yeah, he's better than he did last year. Well, yeah,
of course they're gonna roll. They selected him.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Was he number one?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Was number one overalls? Yeah, yeah, they're they're gonna They're
gonna roll with him for a while.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I'm sure they will with McCarthy. They don't have
any of the choice. The coach's reputation and the general
managers is hanging on it right now. It's how you
lose your job if it doesn't pan out. Yeah, so, uh,
they're gonna stick with those. Uh, they're gonna stick with them.
We'll see what happens on Sunday. You'll hear the game.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Is that a noon on Earth?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
That's a.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Sou Coupverage begins at ten o'clock here in the radio
station to kick off shortly after.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Uh fifty degrees in Green Bay. So for those of
you going out to fifty degrees here wellretty much same thing. Yeah,
late November game.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Fifties and on Saturday and I think about fifty on
let's take a break, come back, we'll talk about about
the golphers and the wolves in the wild with Mark
Rosen here on the.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Here all we affectually call off a one hundred point
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Speaker 2 (20:07):
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Speaker 3 (20:13):
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Speaker 2 (20:22):
In Minnesota, bobos are ridiculous bench JJ for what Look
at lway Manning and Akman in their first years get
off JJ and start ripping on our GM. He doesn't
have a clue to what he's doing. Well, the general
manager draft of so what do you mean that doesn't
have a clue? And here's the other you know, the
everybody uses the the Manning example in all the others.
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We'll look at Ponder, Joey Harrington.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
There's a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
In Trey Lance in their first seasons, right, do you
remember Trey Lance in his first these awful?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You remember Ponder awful? Do you remember Joey Harrington for
Detroit third pick?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Overall?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
He was awful? In other words, in other words, Ryan
Leaf in other words.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
There have been more examples of players that struggle in
their first year and continue to struggle till.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
They were out of the league in three or four years.
So it can go you the way. And it is
possible that McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Figures things out game by game, gets a little bit better,
gets his eyes in his feet alime, which you probably
should have learned at the IMG Academy about twenty years ago,
but apparently he didn't. And if you're able to do that,
maybe he will. But I think I think it's looking
more like there's a better chance he's going to be
more ponder light than he is.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I'm not willing to go down that road yet. I
just think it's far from a perfect science when you're
dealing with it. You can do all the scouting work
you want and all the testing and they do, and
the combines and the measurables and the rest of it,
and you still have to what. You can't figure out
how in real time how a young quarterback is going
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to react. You can't duplicate that in any practice, in
any simulated game until a game situation when you know
you've got a three hundred pound lineman coming out trying
to tear your head off, and are you trying to complete,
you know, as getting getting the play call in. And
it's the complications of these offenses. You know, you have
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to be cerebral enough to figure it all out. There's
a lot that goes into it. And you know, obviously
McCarthy's not ready for all of that just yet, and
that's what they're hopeful that he's going to figure out.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
As this season goes along.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You've still got seven games left, seven long games left
to play.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
And here go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Here are the Bryce Young numbers for this year, YEP.
Starting with the first game of the season against Jacksonville.
We'll go with yards TDS, interceptions and rating one four
one toudy two interceptions of forty nine rating against Arizona
much better three hundred and twenty eight yards, three toties
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at pick, ninety point six against Atlanta one hundred and
twenty one yards passing, no tudies, no picks, seventy eight
point six against New England one hundred and fifty yards,
one tuty, no interceptions, eighty four rating against Miami one
hundred and ninety eight yards, two touchdowns, one tuty in
ninety point seven rating against Dallas one hundred and ninety
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nine yards, three touchdowns, an interception, A one fourteen point
eight against the Jets one hundred and thirty eight yards
with one toutty, no interceptions, eighty eight point four against
Green Bay three for only one hundred and two yards,
no tudies in interception, forty eight point three against New
Orleans one hundred and twenty four yards, no touchdowns, interception
for sixty two point eight rating.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Then last week is big game.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Four hundred and forty eight, three touties, no interception, one
hundred and twenty three point two those number.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That's an okay season at best. He's playing better than
he was. What does that say? That's I'm saying too
much know.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I I don't know how many other quarterbacks you could
probably who are contending type teams have pretty similar numbers.
I don't know what Jordan loves numbers are right now,
and he's been up and down, and you know, we've seen,
like I said, I was reading an article today about
Jalen Hurts of all people, the Eagles, who have all
the poise of a champion and that ability to close
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teams out, and we saw it again the other night
against the Kiddies.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, Jordan loves numbers are certainly better, I would think so.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
For twenty four and twenty mane yards has fifteen touchdowns
and only three hundred seven.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The quarterback rating is one oh three point two. That's
the total.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
These interceptions are also killing McCarthy and the fact that
the Vikings and we said it, I've said it over
and over again again. Sunday was another perfect example. You
lose the turnover ballot, you're probably going to lose the game.
And the Vikings just can't, for the life of them
create turnovers. They had one the Bears fumbled the ball away.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
He's had eight turnovers the season, and five were against
the Bengals, right, I think five in the Bengals game
thought for touchdowns and so otherwise, I think it's only
either three or four all year turnovers since then.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, I mean, you can't.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You know, you can't expect to win games like that
and you don't you lose a turnover ballet, you're gonna
lose most of those games. And you know, to have
McArthur even work with a short field just once in
a while would be refreshing. But the Vikings defense, you know,
they've gotten better, but they sometimes just luck and sometimes
it's just they haven't had the skill level to pick
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off passes, and that's that's really hurting them.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
It certainly isn't helping.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
No, it is not.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Minnesota Golden Golf for football team.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
They are.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
They've played three really quality teams and number one Ohio
State right got bead was forty two three. I think
played Iowa, who it wasn't ranked at the time.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think after that win they jumped to twentieth and
I think they maybe even eighteenth, but I think they're
in the top twenty, top twenty five. They got just
destroyed by Iowa and then they went to Oregon. They
did score a touchdown. Oh goody, but they got destroyed
by number eight. I think Oregon was radied at eight
point into that game. So again, when it comes to
playing the best teams in the conference, the golfers are
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just woefully.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
They're back in their back of their weight class this
week and though they're underdogs at regular field against Northwestern,
but the Iowa game sticks out again because the Golphers
have been competitive against the Hawkeyes. That game was just
I mean, from start to finish on national TV. I'm
still stunned by how nept Minnesota looked. I mean, I've
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watched the Iowa play a couple of times and they've
had some success. They've lost a couple of games. I
think they also were but you.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Know they're.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
They The Golphers made them look like a combination of
of the Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs and their
prime that day, I mean, Minnesota couldn't do anything right
that day. They and they just just got flat out
beaten every facet of the game, you know, losing at
Ohio State the way they did, and I was expecting
me again almost fill in the blanks with what happened
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against Oregon last week, going on the road and playing
that team. Uh, you know that with their speed and
the kind of recruiting they're able to do compared to
the Gophers, it's it's a mismatch. But it's just these
these are the games again, like this week, we say
this over and over again. You know, they beat Nebraska,
that was their one big win if you want to
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call it that. This is a game that they have
to find a way to win. It's like I said,
they're in back in their weight class and they you know,
in order to move the needle a little bit. You know,
when when beat Northwestern, they're a decent team, they're not
a great team. And the Gophers should be better than
this right now to capitalize on a game like this
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and find a way to win this game. And I think,
you know, Wisconsin's gotten a little bit better. There's a
little more competitive, but they're not great. They got them
left on the schedule. Otherwise it's you know, Mini Key
Car Bowl again, whatever they're going to play in. And
you know, the recruiting seems to be going well and
signing different players. But I keep talking about how young
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every year. It seems like the Goalers are the youngest
team in the college football year after year. And I
like the quarterback. I think he's got skill and I
think he could, you know, turn into a very very
good quarterback. But it's it's the other players around you
too that you just have to Darius Taylor is any
in one game, and unfortunately the young man can't stay
healthy and he's in and out of the lineup a lot.
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Their defense is okay, quite perrich is. You know, it's
their big name on defense.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
How would it be years he had has he been
I I think.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
He's I think it's been okay. I don't think it's been.
I don't think it's been a standout year for him
in terms of, you know, he's he was going to
play more offense. I don't think he's played. Uh some
times I've been watching he hasn't had that much of
an effect on the the offense. Obviously playing defense, returning
punts and kicks, but you know, he hasn't had the
(29:19):
huge impact that Cooper Dejine had uh at Iowa just yet.
And again he's it's the second year. But yeah, it's
just these are the games, like on Saturday at the
golfers have to win.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
They just do. If you want to be looked upon
as a team. That's you know, I say moving the
needle a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah, I may not.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
I mean, it's not gonna it's not gonna put him
in a better Bowl game at beating Northwestern. But it's
just but these are the games that you know, as
as a slight underdog, you know, you expect that Minnesota
should be better than if.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You are resign, if you're resigned to the idea that
we're going to be a middle of the pack Big
Ten team, which I am. I don't think we're ever
going to ever be any better than that, and even
more so now because of of of nil, because we,
for whatever reason, don't generate the same amount of name,
(30:17):
image and likeness money as some of the other schools
do for whatever reasons. And they're there there there there
are many reasons why. But I never thought they would
get there even before that, because it's just I used
to go by historically. Now you can point to Indiana
and Wisconsin on a few occasions and other clubs. But yeah,
so if you beat Northwestern, okay, that's great, you know,
that's nice, But that doesn't to me move the Needle
(30:39):
and then who do they have after that?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
They have Wisconsins. I think there's only two games left,
isn't it right? So you beat Northwestern and you beat
Wisconsin and you go to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That would be six and three in the conference, I guess,
and eight and four overall. And okay, that's fine, But again,
are you in closer to taking that to really moving?
And it works like you know what, We're We're getting
closer to being able to go toe to toe with
the with the Ohio States, the Michigan's, the Oregons, and
(31:12):
Iowa was in Penn State. Well Penn State was terrible
this year. But yeah, at that point, well, yeah, I
just don't see it right now, I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
See Well, you always look forward to, I mean, if
you're a big ten fan particularly, always look for to
the Ohio State Michigan game. And I was saying, most
of the time be a toss of a coin in
terms of really who's favorite this year? Mean, Ohio State's
got to be two touchdown favorites in that game when
they play Michigan. They may not be that high, but
I mean, it just feels like it's going to be
a dominant type win for Ohio State. I know Michigan
(31:39):
will get up for the game. I don't even know
where the game is this year, if it's an an
Arbor or Columbus. But you know, Ohio State is clearly
the best team. And you know Ohio State in Indiana
on the proverbial collision course for the Big Ten championship
and obviously the playoffs as well. But you know, potentially,
and I think most people are faultue respect to the
(31:59):
buck Eyes. I think looking for Indiana to kind of
crack through and and continue on with the games in
Michigan this year, Ohio State is it? Yeah, well I
give them a fighting chance, but I don't think much
much difference.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, if you want to talk about Sam Darnold and
his ghosts, I think Ohio State as.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Ghost Oh boy, did they ever?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I think?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, you know again, you can use this if you want.
When Ohio State and that school up north get together,
you can throw the records out the window.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Normally you can.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I think you can. Yeah, I mean you could. Last year.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, Ohio State was were they never won last year
when the two teams, but I think they were. I
believe in Michigan won the game. Yeah, So it could happen.
Did Ohio State win last year? They finally win last year.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I don't even recall anymore. I know that Day had
had his problems with them. Let me see if I
can find the score.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean, what they had talked about was that's the
way it is actually at at the Ohio. That's great
that you won the national championship, but you lost a missigan.
That's what That's all that matters. It really does carries.
It carries a lot of weight. Your golfer team five
of the last six, or I mean a Wolves team
five of the last six, well, all they do is win.
(33:16):
They're just gelling and stacking.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Me boy, well they're stacking against teams that you know,
are under five hundred. They haven't beat a team of
the winning record yet. And that's there's a lot more
to come with that. But we've also seen this team
stub its toe against these teams like well, Dallas Mavericks
have always been a really very good basketball team. Now
they're just a wreck and they're playing another one, uh,
(33:38):
the worst team, arguably the worst team in basketball tomorrow,
Washington is in town.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And these are teams you have to put away.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I mean, it's you don't have to apologize for beating them,
but you'd be nice to beat a team of the
winning record.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I know they got a couple other games.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
They got Phoenix's Friday night on the road, that's the
team of the winning record, and then next week they
got their first matchup on the road against the thun
which will be kind of their first big test of
the season. But yeah, I mean, it's you're getting Last night,
I mean, it wasn't a banner game. Ian Randall and
Edwards I think were combined nine for thirty from the
(34:13):
field and they still won one hundred and twenty to
ninety six. Nas Reda is working into shape and looking
really good. I mean coming off the bench. You know,
he had his he had twenty two points and he
had twelve rebounds, and you know NAS's had, you know,
after some deep personal family issues, has been kind of
rounding into shape and playing better and getting some quality minutes.
(34:34):
And you know there's still I think you know, Rob
Dilliham played more, you know, and that's the advantage you
have to have when you play teams like this, as
you like to call them the Oswalds. You got to
get your bench some quality time on the court and
know who to count on when it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Bear je is the coach doing that? Is he playing?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He last night?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
They did.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Last night they did, but I mean not not until.
I mean, it wasn't like all those guys were still
in single figures. I think for for well minutes, Jillian
played thirteen minutes up, Leonard Miller even played ten minutes.
And you know, but Clark is kind of a regular
off the bench. I wouldn't count him as a guy
that doesn't get playing time. He's almost their first guy
off the bench, not along with Nas. But yeah, they
(35:16):
put him away. And man, Dallas, what I mean Hooper Flags,
you know, a young, good looking player, but man, oh man,
they got a mess there right now, and that's why
they fired the GM and they got guys hurt.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Kyrie is still out.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
And you know, they're four and four and eleven right now,
the Dallas Mavericks, and they've always been, you know, contending
team and right there at the the finish line, and
now they're the.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Wolves are beating the teams are supposed to be right,
but they're losing to to to the quality team.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And that's what has to change.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I lost to the Lakers. They lost to the Nuggets.
I lost the Lakers a second time. They they lost
to the Knickerbockers.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yep, and then they.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And they lost to the Nuggets again.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So yeah, and then they're they're they're being the MAVs
and the Kings and the Jazz and and those clubs.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
That's again, you're supposed to do and they've not done
that the last couple of years. And situations which are
almost kind of embarrassing sometimes. But play eighty two of
these things and you're going to have bad nights, but
hopefully they'll be all take care of business. You know,
Washington's just awful. I don't even know how they can
feel the basketball team. I can't imagine going to a
game there. Just here's a couple of tickets go.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I'm reminded by a couple of text messagers. Michigan did
win last year thirteen to ten. Because if you're a member,
there was there was the the rumor that if Ohio
State didn't then turn around and win the national championship that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Day was going to get fired. Thay goodbye it because
he couldn't beat Michigan.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He could have beat that school up North and then
someone else said, last year was the big flag planting
fight after.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The Big Blue One, And I remember that now, Big Blue.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
One at at the Ohio State and they went to
the center of the field to put their flag down,
and then that's when Ohio State players went berserk and
there was pushing and shoving in.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
The hole the crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, well, no, it's you want Iowa planting their flag
and middle of running in Bank Stadium.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I think, uh, did you put up with that?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I think a member of Wisconsins Wisconsin taking the acts
and pretending to chop down the goal.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, I didn't like that one.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Of course, you didn't know you liked this wild club though,
now don't you?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Well, I mean once Halloween, once we got out of
the month of October tenby are we six one and
one in November?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What do you think of him? Now you're gonna be
heading down to Saint Paul that.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
You like in November to remember, there you go. You're
gonna head down eventually, Yeah, I hope. So it's kind
of busy right now, but a lot of holiday stuff
and everything. But to see the Springsteen movie last I
didn't watch the second of the Wolves game. What no
I was that I went to see the Bruce Springs movie,
(38:00):
which with a bunch of friends I was. I enjoyed
it a lot. Jeremy White, I think the guy, you know,
it's he was terrific as Bruce. And it's based on
his album Nebraska, and you know, the nineteen eighty two
album when he was really at his lowest point in
his life and dealing with a great deal of depression
and you know, kind of flashing back to how abusive
his father was, et cetera, et cetera. So it wasn't
just a you know, a love story about his Bruce's
(38:23):
music and how I turned into Bruce Springsteen. But yeah,
I I I enjoyed it. It was really well done,
kind of a different glimpse of him. Would you recommend
people go see it?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I would? I would.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
I mean it's hard to I mean, I mean, you know,
you watch movies like that and I'm Rammy Mellick played
Freddie Mercury and you know, and in Queen from Queen,
but it's it's hard to play. You know, what's that
Shallow May played Dylan want of, you know, phenomenal performance
and I think Jeremy White's every bit as good as
a young Springsteen uh during this time in nineteen eighty
(38:57):
one eighty two and his ups and Islands. It's difficult
to kind of pull that off, to kind of suspend
your belief and realize you're you're watching an actor play
a iconic uh person like Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
But yeah, I enjoyed it. It was it was It
was good.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
What are your plans for this weekend?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Then?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
What do you what do you got going the rest
of the weekend?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
This week?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I got a fashion show on Friday night with Fashion Well,
I'm involved when it's a it's a fundraiser for the
Minnesota it's the hospital. What am I thinking of? Masonic
Children's Hospital. Yeah, yeah, it's a big fundraiser. A lot
of a lot of people are being asked to model.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Are you modeling?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I'm modeling with Karen and for we're doing that right.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Bathrobes from I wish is that what you're modeling? Those
white bathrooms?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
From the found that would be that would be you
know what we should have done.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
I mean it's too we should we should walk out
with our dress clothes underneath and have the bathrobes on overneath.
That would be a as long as I live, I know.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
So that's.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, that's on yeah, Friday night, Yes, I believe. So
I got to look at my all my calendar, you know. Yeah,
so that's going on Friday, and I don't know what
else is going on Thanksgiving. No, I'm I got my
show here. I I really don't travel anymore to these games.
(40:22):
So I got my pregame show to do on Sunday morning,
probably watching it, watching it from my friendly confines of
my home after the show is over at eleven. And
then Thanksgiving next week already, my goodness, Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Green Bay at Detroit and I don't know. I know
Dallas is in the other game, but I don't three
of them, but I don't know who Dallas is playing.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I don't know there's an AFC game. I'm assuming I
don't know who's.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Playing either at Thursday night. That makes makes it difficult.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
How about a Roger the broken left for wist he
will not need surgery.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
According to the reports that I play, they play the
Bears this week, right, I think they you gotta play,
you don't you do?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Eat some dirt and rub some robo tustin left left wrist.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I had a quarterback last night check Sometimes it looks
like he's thawing with his left hand.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
But you got to play them that game in Pittsburgh
or Chicago. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I don't know, but I know it's a big one.
Are in first place and you're disjusting the.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Bear I'm not I'm not listening.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
I'm happy for Kevin Warren and all all the folks
that were here from Chicago over the weekend. Courtney Cronin
and saw a lot of friends from Chicago work for
the Bears this weekend. I was very happy for him.
I wasn't happy for him anyway. Well, I wasn't happy
they won the game.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I think it sounds like you like this Bears cloth.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
I like the people who work for the Bears. I don't.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I didn't want them to win the game. Get my loyalties.
My wife works for the Vikings. I've been a Viking
fan longer a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, that's that's true too. We'll see you tomorrow two o'clock, right,
I will be here. Yes, that's the legendary one. Tanna
Be Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
A great job. You as well, we joy to visit
with you today. We're back tomorrow at twelve noon. Big
Ticket and Brett Blake Moore our next here on the fan.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
God God, good night Books, and good night missus Calabashi.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
We're heaving.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
That's a bunch of my workee.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
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