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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That was, but the montage was terrific. You're getting plenty
of compliments. I asked you if we had used that before.
I did not recognize the song nor the artist. You said,
we've used it once before. You document them all. You
even have a date. I believe that you played it
on Huh, so we've used that's Aerosmith, same old song

(00:23):
and dance, same old, same old, And it sort of was.
I wouldn't say it was a carbon copy of what
we've seen so far from the Vikings, but certainly depressing,
I guess is a word you could use the word
that I was searching for was. I guess depressing would work.

(00:43):
There was another D word I was thinking about, dang it.
Dang it would work. That's two words. Actually, dang it
that's too bad. Demoralizing, I think would be the word
I was looking for. It's demoralizing.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
But what are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean your montage summed it all up? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know again, we'll do what we always do on
a Monday. It's the post mortem. We we we sift.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Through the rubble.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
That is another Vikings loss, the post mortem. The what
is it when you what's the word I'm looking for
that you do if you work as a you dissect. No,
you're trying to figure out how they died. What's the
word I'm looking for autopsy. Autopsy. There you can appreciate

(01:42):
that the autopsy of the death of yesterday's game. That
was the Vikings. I don't even remember what the final
score was, we had it. It was right there. It
was the one thing that was carbon copy, like for
sure was you know it wasn't. It didn't go down
exactly the same way as the first Bears game, but
it looked like it was going to be very similar.
Where the young quarterback who struggled again for most of

(02:06):
the entire game and struggled Chipskog and summed it up
pretty well in his UH piece A Fisher Rep Factory
West Side columnist Fellow would bury and we text and
talk more than most people know. He thought this might
have been the most alarming performance so far by by McCarthy,
and I tend to agree with that. But he took

(02:28):
the team down lickety split in just a few short minutes,
and we got the lead, and then we lost the lead.
A kick off or turn by is it DuVernay? I
guess he's really good at that. I don't even know
why you don't just kick the ball out of the end,
not even let him get the ball. I guess because

(02:48):
you don't want to start at the thirty five.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't let him. And as soon as
he returned, they weren'tield goald range.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I was it?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
They they then they moved it a little closer to
make sure, and then I thought he was going to miss,
because I don't think their kicker is that trustworthy or
am I wrong? He's about him, he's just okay, you know,
he's probably missing as many as he makes or yeah, right,
So you know, I still thought the Bikings were going
to steal it, but they ran the ball more than

(03:17):
they have and I don't think that. You know, the
coach has been very stubborn coach being Kevin O'Connor, very
stubborn about throwing. He likes to throw the ball. He
makes no bones about it. He's a former quarterback. He
was instrumental in leading the Rams to a big game
appearance all those years ago.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
With Jared Goffer quarterback.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
He was the offensive coordinator, though I think Sean McVay
was kind of the play caller. Isn't that how it
went there too? Wasn't wasn't O'Connell considered the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
With his quarterback.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
He's basically what Wes Phillips is here, right, His label
is the offensive coordinator, but the place.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
But he he's been given a lot of credit for
and right, Philly, So I'm sure. I mean, I don't know,
you know again, Tenneby, for as wildly successful as the
common Man Programs is mildly success? Did I say wildly?
I meant to say mildly. You just change one letter,
you turn the am upside down w upside down to this.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Miley says, you have a lot, You've had a lot
to do with it. Oh and I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think we did this last week. I think I
was verbally slappy.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, we're all these compliments coming from I don't know,
you like getting emotional. Is there a big moment that's
going to be coming up here?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well? I heard that. I was told I got a
phone call from somebody regarding programming on the fan, which
is bizarre because it's got to be really something beyond
the pale for someone to contact me about it and
said that it was that I didn't know Fantasy Football
Weekly was going away who who in the corners of

(04:48):
us and make a decision like that, The most not mildly,
wildly successful show in the history of the fan has
just gone. Now the hell am I going to do
for my fantasy football team this Saturday? I don't even
know who to play?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Now?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Who do I sit? Who do I play? I mean,
where do you get advice?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Like?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Where are we going to get advice?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Like?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Brady's not He's done, He's done. Not only is he
not the best quarterback in football, he's not even the
best quarterback on their roster. That would be your guy,
Jimmy Garoppolo. We're going to get advice about that? Or
how about there are ninety better running backs in safe one?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Mark he's cooked?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
He's cooked? Am I going to get advice like that?
But I heard it got very emotional. I heard there
was people were calling it. There was crying. It's a
radio show about something is inconsequential is fantasy football? And

(05:51):
I know people are into it. There was a time
I was, but there was sobbing on one hundred thousand,
and I couldn't look because I was playing golf and
I wasn't playing I had it going early. There's no
read to do. It's two over standing on eight te
box at Prestwick force carryover water, strong wind. And you

(06:15):
know what I did. I did what I hadn't been
doing all day. But one of the other changes, not
just in my swing Prestwick eight and I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
The force carryover water.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
What I've been doing is really taking my and making
sure a lot of times I just go up and swing,
especially if it's a trickier shot, because sometimes that's the
right thing to do. And I just I did the
Joe Maher quick swing and hit the ball right into
the water. Went from two over to five over, just
like that. But I would have been better off listening
to the final, the Grand finale of Fantasy Football Weekly.

(06:49):
I would think it's probably the most listened to radio program,
not just in fan history, but maybe the entire since
since Edison invented the wacky thing called the radio or
was that Tesla?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
No, it was Marconi, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
But we were not familiar with Marconi's Here at this
radio station, we've been nominated. If you want to talk
marconez or should have Dave Brian come in. I think
he's won at least one, if not a couple. They're
giving away Marconi's at Old Depot, so we'll get to
that a little bit later. I heard charge we verbally
slapped a lot of people on the back, and I
didn't get a chance to hear it. So I'm wondering
what he had to say about me. So well, well

(07:27):
we'll do that a little bit later in the program.
On other side of the break, we'll continue to break
down the vikings. Do the autopsy the post mortem of
a disappointing loss to the Windy City Grizzlies nineteen seventeen.
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Speaker 1 (09:46):
A change of strategy for the Vikings offensively yesterday, tend
to be the head coach, set his stubbornness aside of
wanting to be a pass first offense and ran the ball.
They ran on first down. It seemed like almost every
single possession that they had, and it didn't work too bad.

(10:07):
I mean, they had a nice was it one hundred
and fifteen yards total on the ground, They ran the
ball Okay, McCarthy had a couple of throws that were key,
and of course that last series was very reminiscent of
what he did against the Bears the first time around.
But again it was too little, too late in the
Vikings lose the game. I don't know what to make

(10:32):
of the quarterback. We still have a couple of different camps.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm told.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
PA was in full defense mode today. This one says
PA had lost his mind.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I think I knew that before hearing about what he
had to say about JJ's performance. But he says when
he was relentlessly defending McCarthy like usual, he mentioned it
took six seven.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Years for Sam Darnold to play. Well, he's willing.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
To see six years of waiting for this kid to
get it should happen sooner than that, I would assume
he would. He'll get, he'll get. He can't get much worse, right,
I mean, it's like there's you're about as low as
it can. You sent me a screen shot of Alec Lewis.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Tweet that said.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Current QB efficiency rate on r B s DM.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
What is RB s DM? No idea?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I don't either, But this chart, like it looks like
may j Love and and and and Josh Allen are
at the best numbers like zero point three zero. You
know again, this is that sabermetrics analytics. I always just
look at can a quarterback lead a team down the

(11:55):
field late in the game and win it? And JJ
did that, so by that by at barometer, he was
pretty good yesterday. But anyway, then McCarthy's rock bottom. I
mean it's way at the bottom too. It's like there's
a huge gap between him and and uh Dylan Gabriel, Yeah, Dylan,

(12:19):
Dylan Gabriel and who else, cam Ward and a couple
of us.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Not good, No, it's not good.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
And some hurts even more when Darnold's basically the second
best quarterback on here.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, and now Donald was awful yesterday, four interceptions, yet
they almost won a game as well.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Goff was awful.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Williams was just okay. He had the same completion that
he was sixteen thirty two, just like McCarthy, and I
don't think Jay Love played particularly well. It wasn't a
great day for many quarterbacks except I guess Josh Allen.
He tied a National Football League record of three rushing
touchdowns and three passing touchdowns in the same game. You
know who. He tied the record with Tennabe. The greatest

(13:02):
quarterback in the history of pro football, Auto Graham and
Otto Graham did it in the nineteen fifty four championship
game when you really need to rise to the occasion,
in the biggest game of the season. Auto Graham the
greatest quarterback in the history of pro football. He's automatic.
He's automatic. I like that He's automatic. So yeah, and

(13:25):
you know, I see it. There are there's a couple
of different camps. Everybody has to be in a camp.
You either wish they would just move on from JJ
McCarthy right now, and you're still waxing nostalgic for the
days of Sam Darnald, Danny Dimes, or even the opportunity
to sign Aaron Rodgers, which I would have done. I
would have done any of the I would have done
the Donald or the Rogers. I wasn't so convinced about

(13:47):
Danny Dimes because really he's he was only here just
on the practice squad, so it wasn't like he showed
us anything here. I did not see Danny Dimes. I
did not mind them letting him go. Thought I thought
they should have signed Donald. Course after Yesterday's came you wonderful.
Maybe they made the right decision. But every quarterback is
even the best in the business. And bet Rams Club,

(14:09):
last I checked, is really really good. Same with all.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I would let Golf off the hook a little bit too.
That Philadelphia defense is so.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Much better than I thought they were, and the Lions
offensive line is at mess and Golf had no time
to throw them when he did he wasn't hitting guys,
and then you're my guy, Danny Campbell, and look at it.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I love the go for it on fourth down.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
But you got to kind of that was when they
were having to score thirty thirty five points a game
because their defense was so bad. Right, So that's you
had to go because the field goals weren't going to
do it. Yes, you got to kind of know the situation.
And Duce and I were kind of like, might want
to take three here. I know this is what we do.
But it's a low scoring game. Nobody's moving the ball

(14:52):
very well. But yeah, so there was a lot of
a lot of poor quarterback play. It starts right here at.

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Speaker 1 (15:43):
My sources tell me Jacoby Brisset completed forty seven passes
yesterday he did? Is that an NFL NFL record? I
thought we'd given up on here. Why I say we,
I just mean, you know, NF, the the the the
National Football League fandom, the people that work for the
National Football League, the coach that play, the whole thing.

(16:06):
I thought Jacoby Brissett was an afterthought. How about forty
seven completions. It's doing something, right. I think that's more
than McCarthy's had all season long, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
But then again, I don't know about that for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
We're waiting the arrival of the head coach of the
soon to be Big Game World champion Minnesota Vikings. We'll
get to some text messages so well as well, some
venting by Viking fans, and.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
They're text message Monday. It's a text message Monday.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
And there are there are many fans venting, many fans
that are disappointed, fans that are angry. But then there
are those that still want to do the old You know,
Josh Allen and Peyton Manny were really bad in there
for and you know that's that's a valid point. But
you know, as Tennebe and I talked about last week,
as Tennebe.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So also were they this bat well, yeah, I don't know, right, Well,
that's it, they.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Were, I do.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
There's levels, there's levels of badness and and the other
thing is you can find all sorts of examples of
like Tim Tebow was really terrible in his first few
years and he's out of the league.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
So you know, I've shot a seventy four in golf before.
That doesn't mean that I'm basically like on a professional
golfer level.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
No, though, you had.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
An experience that was not unlike that of a PGA
Tour pro that one day. But you're absolutely right, that's
the point. So again, you can make those silly comparisons
all you want. I can only go by what I've
seen by this young man and has not been good.
That being said, it's yeah, I don't think you move
on from him today. You trade it up to get him.
You've got time and money invested in him. And when

(17:33):
I say money, I don't necessarily mean his salary because
he's making the NFL minimum or you know whatever the
first year contract is for you know, that first four year,
five year contract, what do they call the rookie deal.
Under the rookie deal, just the amount of money they're
investing in research and you know, playing games, and this
and the other thing, and and sweat equity and just

(17:57):
I mean one thing that we were talking about Tennebee
earlier this year, when McCarthy struggled in those you know
he had he had the great game against Chicago, then
he struggled against the Falcons and he was out for
five weeks because of the sprained ankle. And you and
I were like, well, you got to keep playing wins
as long as he wins and plays well, because he.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Gives you the best chance to win right now.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
And there were those fans that said and met and
there were there were a lot a lot of people
were saying, well, no, you've got to play this kid
in order to see what you have. And one of
my comebacks to that, one of my arguments was, well,
there's a whole organization and there's a whole roster of
players in front office that they can't wait forever for that,

(18:42):
And that was pointed out. There was a piece I
think it was Saturday prior to the game in the
fish rapt Factory West Side with that said exactly that,
And so I think sometimes fans just get short sighted.
They just look at from a fan point of view
and it's like, well, this season's over, we can't win
this year. Let's just see if we have a quarterback.
But it's it's more nuanced than that, because the players

(19:07):
in the organization that came here to win football game,
justin Jefferson doesn't want to spend three four years finding
out if this kid can play quarterback or not, because
if he can't, that's three four years he's wasted of
his career, and all the other players and the coach
will be fired by then. It's it's more than just
you know, you watching your games on Sundays or Mondays

(19:30):
or Thursday night or Tuesday night.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Regondless of what night it is.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
And that was pointed out in a piece and I'll
get to a couple of those quotes a little bit
later in the program.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Obviously, we have some time and things are going to
change or could change. But as I said, on November seventeenth.
If he keeps playing this way or just makes very
slight progress the rest of the way, we're having a
discussion in the off season what we're doing about the QUARTERBA.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yes, I hear next year, here's someone that's in, here's someone.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
He loves the Josh Allen, Yes, Josh Allen was this
bad this time his time, his his time year he
had ten tds, twelve inns and a sixty seven QB rate.
I take that right now out of our quarterback. Those
are actually pretty good numbers compared to how he's been
he's been playing.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Some other.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
This one says, I'm literally just annoyed seeing mcarthy in
a press conference post game. If there's a slightly better
version of pon Or it's him, and that's not good.
I just have to pinch myself. For the next two
plus years, he is our QB. Oh goodie. I'd love
to see some brozmer at some point. I feel he's
presently more pro ready to lead an offense.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
And you know, yesterday he was asked. I watched the
news conference.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
On tape and somebody asked.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
McCarthy that one of the local media or I asked
O'Connell basically, had you considered, and he goes, I'm not
going there right now.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
He didn't want to talk about that because I think
I don't think there is any considered.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
You've got to remember a lot of his reputation I
meet O'Connell, is is.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Is attached to J. J. McCarthy. It just is.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
It's the guy you hand picked him. Now again, I know,
apparently he wanted Drake May. Everybody wanted Drake May. Drake
May wasn't there, so then you had to as matter
of fact, there was was it four quarterbacks taking before McCarthy, four, five, six, seven,
whatever it was, and the vikings you could say maybe

(21:52):
it was a reach to select McCarthy. We go back
to all the things about I know he you know,
you don't. In all his time as quarterback in high
school and college, he'd only lost one game. But we
talked about a tenn tobe And it doesn't mean the
guy can't be a good quarterback because he made throws
in college. But when you're on a run first team
and a very good run first team and a team

(22:13):
that ended up winning a national championship, it's more quarterback
friendly that way because the opposition is generally geared to
stop the run, and when you do throw the ball
that often times comes as a surprise.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's not to.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Say that he didn't make nice throws and wasn't the
passing game wasn't a part of Michigan's.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
National championship year.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
But it's just it's a whole different ballgames, particularly just
at the college level to begin with. I mean, you
look at the Big Eighteen right now. There are literally
three or four good teams in the Big eighteen, and
the rest are just average football teams. They're your Minnesota
Golden Golfers, in your Michigan State Spartan and all these
other club gas is. They're just the Wisconsin's Is. They're

(23:00):
just okay teams. They're not very good. So you can
padd stats, especially when you know in Michigan's defense was
always is always good. So and again, part of the
issue for some of us was the idea of turning
the team over to basically a rookie quarterback. I know,

(23:23):
you know, he's technically not a rookie.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
He missed us.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
He didn't play last year because of the knee surgery.
But when you have a team coming off, I think
they were thirteen to four. I know the last two
games went poorly, they were awful. The game against Detroit was,
as Mark Rosen would say, a hot mess. Certainly, the
game against the Rams was terrible all Certainly Darnold was

(23:47):
really bad in the Detroit game, but the Rams game
that was more on the offensive line. How many times
we have to say if the head coach immediately followed,
immediately following the game, said we have to rebuild the
interior of our offensive line, he pulled no punches. Usually
coaches don't make those kind of don't even I'm not
even gonna call it a rash conclusion or even, but
generally they don't say those things publicly immediately following a game.

(24:09):
They kind of couch things, think it over, and then
quietly make their decisions. But he was obviously just a
devastating end of the season last year. I mean, you
were one win away against Detroit from being the number
one seed and having a first round by to having

(24:29):
to play getting to the fifth seed, having to play
right and getting steamrolled by the Rams, And so I
can understand why there was disappointment and even anger from
the head coach and the rest of the organization, and
that's when they made the decision. And then I don't
know how much of this quarterback whisper or stuff has
got is because he's considered. I guess you're really good

(24:56):
at developing quarterbacks. I've not seen that quarterback development yet.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And I know Donald.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'll give him his credit for Donald, but I can
get you the quotes.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I've got him. I looked them up.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Donald basically said all of his success last year was
doing large part more than anything, to playing under Brock,
playing alongside Rock Pretty for an entire year.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I got the quotes if you want him.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
He said, Pretty taught him everything about being a quarterback,
how to be patient, how to be gentle, how to
be kind.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
That's a quote from the Bible. I think. I think
that's the ones that we use when you get married.
I think everybody.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh, anyway, but that's what he says. And you know, yeah,
you know, when you have a quarterback friendly system, and look,
O'Connor can call a good game. I think he called
a fairly good game yesterday. And again I'm not an
expert at that. I don't know exactly. You know, it's
always a chess match. Going on out there, right Tenneby.
You know it's it's like you like a matter of fact,

(25:55):
I was reading the piece that I don't know if
it was. It might have been a fishrap East or
West or Athletic, but somebody was writing about how I
think was Cashper was saying, we got kind of fooled
a little bit by the running game. We did not
see the running game we prepared a paraphrase, but the
running game we prepared for was not the running game
we saw. They did some different things, and that's that

(26:18):
chess match thing. That's where Ben Johnson is. That's why
he's so highly regarded. He knew the Vikings would be
looking at tape watching what they did. He knows the
Viking strengths and weaknesses defensively, he knows what Beflow likes
to do, much like Beflow probably knows what Ben Johnson
likes to do.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
But apparently if you look at it, and I'll try
to dig up those.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Quotes a little bit later in the grum as well,
so you know, there's there's a lot of different moving
parts here to how this all works out. And you know,
now I saw another graph I don't know where I
saw it, but it's like our chance to like, you know,

(26:59):
get to the game is like, you know, three percent
is that high? It's it just it's or maybe it
was what it was. I think the graft showed like
there's like a ninety percent chance we'll get the first
pick overall the National.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Football League Draft.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Because there's and the reason we're not ninety seven percent
because there's other teams that are that are obviously are
really in the tank. I mean, do we still have
a one win team in the league somewhere.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, the Jets got to be.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I think the Jets are our one or two win
team at the most. So the chance of the Vikings
getting the pick overall are are It's not going to happen.
I wouldn't think, but before.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Maybe get in the top ten. They could get in
the top ten.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
So I know you talked about this about twelve minutes
ago now, but can I push back on this, Josh
Allen comparison to some of the.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Dealers would yeah, because they love you.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
You know, because if you want to look at like
your basic stats of completion percentage and touchdowns and interceptions,
there are some comparisons. But one Josh Allen's first season,
his passer rating was sixty seven point nine J McCarthy's
sixty one point seven, so comparable, but still Josh Allen
was better if you look at QBR, which is adjusted

(28:06):
quarterback rating, Josh Allen forty nine point eight, JJ McCarthy
twenty six point seven. Josh Allen also ran for six
hundred and thirty one yards that season, so like he
added a rushing element to it that JJ McCarthy is
not adding.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
You also combine this with.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
This is not JJ McCarthy's rookie season, it's his first
year playing games, but he said two off seasons, he
said shoot training camps, like learning the playbook should not
have been as complicated for him as it was for
Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
In year one.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
And then the other thing I would add is JJ
McCarthy took over a fourteen and three team, So yeah,
what Josh Allen had to work with in year one
compared to what JJ McCarthy was supposed to have to
work with the year two is also quite different.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that would that's deserving I arrest my case.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, and not only I would have to, I would
like to, you know, not that I would ever do
this because this is to rubelike, but gimme game tape
of Josh Allen's first year. Was he overthrowing wide receivers
over over their head as if they were like, you know,
ten feet over their head.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
And I mean I did get some accuracy issues.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, I I just don't know if they were that
bad because it was it's it's it's pretty like I say,
it's it's depressing. It's it's it.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Hasn't been a lot to know that team to help
JJ McCarthy yesterday either, they had lots of drops they
did on top of the bath throws he was making,
and he.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Dropped a couple. I think Hawkinson dropped one. Jefferson I
think maybe had a drop.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
So yeah, Jones had one.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, there was certainly no he was he wasn't getting
any help at all.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yeah, Vikings are one of the I think three worst
teams in the league in drops.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Is that a is.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
That a lack of focus on receivers or is that
a the quarterback doesn't throw right like sometimes he's gunning
it in there when he doesn't need a gun it
in there.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well, that's that could be part of it too, because
they did show one on on one replay of a
drop pass that did look like you might have wanted
to have a little bit more touch. It's sort of like,
I don't know the comparison I had, would you know me?
I occasionally had to play golf, and it's the same thing.

(30:20):
Sometimes you have to hit those you know, really delicate
flop shots right. Other times you gotta get bumping runs
around the green, and other times you even want to.
There are times where we want to. You might be
into a win one hundred and forty yards, you want
to flight it in. You want to hit it low
so that the ball cuts through the wind.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Here's koc we see not clean or complete enough of
a performance. But I did think that, you know, I
told our team, you know, the one thing that jumped
out off the tape was the fights, the competes. I
thought we played physical. It was a physical football game,
just you know, didn't do enough to win the game,

(31:00):
despite you know, having some some moments throughout where you know, defensively,
doing some really good things early on to kind of
keep us in the game.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Special teams in the return.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Units, you know, outside of a the one holding call,
you know, played very physical and clean football. And then
you know, we have that one play they know it's
a one play phase on the kickoff return. Once we
were able to finally get a lead in the game.
For our second lead, we we only held for the

(31:30):
fifty seconds and they kicked the game winning field goals.
So give them credit for winning the game. And we've
got to get back to work. I know our guys, Uh,
there's a there's there's a good energy in this building
today of guys understanding we're just going to stay the
course and continue to improve and uh, you know, attack
this thing knowing that we don't have a lot of time.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Left, but we do have what it takes to.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Win football games in our in our locker room and
on our team, and that's that's what we're going to
put everything we have into doing against the Green Bay Packers.
Matt's got a really good team this year, obviously very
very talented, one of the more talented teams in football.
They've added to that talent, and we've got to play
a much more complete game than we did yesterday and

(32:16):
and uh, you know, show up and and do the
do the things. We improved a little bit from a
pre snap and only had two penalties in the game,
but but I still think there's a room for improvement there. Uh.
And then ultimately, you know, our formula of winning the
turnover battle is continues to be a very important thing
for our team. We've got to protect it and we've

(32:38):
got to try to force some and getting close on
a few defensively. I keep telling those guys they're gonna come.
They're gonna come in bunches when they do, and it'll
have a very positive effect on our team when that happens.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
He is wearing women's underway a part of your challenge
certain mechanics during that.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, I thought, you know, there there are there are
some plays where you know, you know, he he is
he's making it hard on himself just by you know
the nature of many of the things that that I
think that's probably the most frustrating part for him. It's,
you know, it's talked about and repped and practiced at.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Length, and then in those moments, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
In his fifth start, you know, it's just a variance
to it is is causing you know, it's causing.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
His job to be more difficult than it needs to be.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And he's he's wildly capable of making the throws that
present themselves.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
There was some uh, there were some good throws in
there as well.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Some some throws there late that that even after what
had been a frustrating day for him, there, you know,
his ability to still respond like he has a couple
of times now and move the team late to get
a lead. He's made of the right stuff. He's gonna
keep working at it. We're going to go back to
work and continue to find every avenue, every way to

(33:56):
try to help build the consistency, uh to to his
to his mechanics, and then I just I firmly believe
the accuracy will come from that. It's it's been tried
and true and tested with other players and guys that
have been on their journey before, and that's what we're
going to keep working towards. And knowing he's got what

(34:17):
it takes to do some of the things he's been
able to do lat in games and be at his
best late in games, we just need to find a
way to find that consistency early to you know, make a.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Throw to Jordan on a play pass where.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
He wins and there's an opportunity that we you know,
we're hunting throughout the week, and he made the throw
in practice and and it just has to start the
consistency of the work week.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
And he's had good.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Weeks of practice, you know, we just continue to stack
that and hopefully start seeing that show up in a
consistent way on Sundays.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And live all as he's going through.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
To start all of that, you've concerned it all about
the bools and negatively impacting him far as this confidence.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
No, I mean, that's that's the that's that's.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Kind of what I think jumps out at you is
after all of that and that that's included, that's the
the adversity of of what yesterday was leading into finding
a way to put you know, fourteen points on the board.
I mean, we get the we get the long punt return,
and then we get two really good runs off to
score one touchdown and then he had to take us

(35:23):
eighty five yards for the other one, and and not
not ideal circumstances when you've had a day like that.
The mental toughness, the physical toughness of the player is
is uh, you.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Know, clear and evident.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I think to everybody you know, and and I think
I understand, and I think JJ does the the frustration
with maybe seeing you know, Justin or Jordan or somebody
open and and we don't we don't throw and catch
that there's there's a standard we have for ourselves that
that I hope our fans have for us. And you know,
I think all that is you know, valid and and

(35:58):
justified and and but at the same time, you know,
we've got to consistently stay true to the most important things,
which is for a young player, just you know, when
you when you look back at the tape, did you
take the right footwork, did you did you have your
eyes in the right spot, you know, was the was
your posture and balance at the top.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
You know, ideal?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And then and then you get into some of the
pocket movement things where uh, it's a young player you
tend to throughout games, you know they ebbs and flows
and games and things. Those are the things that you're
trying to get more reps to have a feeling for
how to handle that with the poise of your movement
to continue to you know, find the ways to put

(36:40):
the ball in play and pitch and catch and and
like I said, we're going to go back to work
on it, like we have consistently, and he's had some
really good weeks of practice, and we'll continue to challenge,
you know, not only JJ but our whole team the
prep and the practice. You know, I I do believe
starts to add up to positive performances, and there were

(37:02):
examples of that from some other guys at maybe less
visible positions in the quarterback position. But it's just it's
it's been something that we're going to continue to stay
the course and strive to see the improvement and and
see it, you know, happen on a more consistent basis.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
How is there through line that you're seeing.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
With those Yeah, I think you know, looking at yesterday,
I know there was one where, you know, we kind
of called it with the intent of maybe knowing that
that Montees sweat would be free off that edge if
he didn't peel with the back because nobody had him
in man coverage, and if we could get that There's
there's so many times where you're watching and it's you're

(37:43):
you're finding the word if showing up in a lot
of your response is if we can you know, convert
that third down when when Justin wins on a pressure
cut versus a linebacker if we can hit that early
down play pass you know, maybe to to uh you know,
kind of check that box of while we're running it,
get that explosive. Those are normally good formulas for us.

(38:06):
If we can get that ball thrown over Montes on
that one, it's not a bad pass.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
It's an Aaron Jones catch and run.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
In that scenario, we ended up converting that drive for
a touchdown, but with needing the fourth and five to
to do so. So there's a lot of those where
I think last week was a product of, you know,
a few downs where you know, some of the big
guys from Baltimore, you know, where that was their role
on the play was to block some shots. But then

(38:32):
there was also some times where I think we're moving
pretty aggressively, you know, churning up, eating up some space
in the friendliness of the pocket. That we've got to
continue to find that balance and that posture and then
maintain it without you know, chewing up too much grass.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Do you guys consider kicking out in Zona day?

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, you know, the you know, Chicago's fifty seconds left,
they've got three timeouts, you know, obviously playing indoors your
the cover our kickoff coverage unit has been one of
the you know, premiere units on our team all season long.
So you know, in those moments, I think you've got
to trust your guys to to be at their best
and and and you know, we got out of our

(39:14):
couple young guys got out of their lanes on the
backside there. We knew they were a field return team
and there was evidence earlier in the game, you know,
on the same location will hit it to the perfect
spot and we just you know, I think there's an
element to it too, where guys want to win so bad,
they want to win that down so bad for the
sake of the team that the discipline of what is

(39:37):
my job on the play. I think there's a lot
of that going on on our team right now, because
this team has fight. They're incredibly close knit group, and
they want to go do the things that they think
in their in their minds and the moment is the
best thing for the play by going to make the
play myself, but never at the detriment of the scheme.
And they all in the fit of how we see

(39:59):
the all eleven playing out. And I think there's some
of that going on throughout our team, And you know,
it's a better problem to have than then trying to
find the fight and trying to find the guys that
will play physical and hard for sixty minutes. We have
that box checked in my opinion right now, consistently every
single week. But it was a massive play, and looking

(40:20):
back on it, you'd love to know ahead of time
that unit that has done a phenomenal job all year for.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
The most part covering kicks.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
We wouldn't get it done in that moment, but I
also wouldn't necessarily want to send that message to that
group would probably earn the right to cover that kick.
And when you're talking ten twelve, fifteen yard difference between
the thirty five and what that could look like if
we get one of those premier coverage snaps out of
those guys that we've become accustomed to seeing, that could

(40:51):
be the difference in that field goal even being attempted
or not. But clearly a massive, massive play with how
the game had gone up until that point to get
the or team points to to get the lead back.
You know, it was very frustrating for for I know
our guys.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Your conversation has been like this year with Justin obviously
him I had the production he's used to your conversation.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, I think the perfect I think the perfect example
of what makes Justin so special is that Jordan Mason
touchdown run. You know, if you if you hadn't had
a chance to see that one, that's Justin Jefferson and
that is I mean, he push cracks, the safety blocks
him once refits the block, and he's the reason why

(41:36):
we score on the play. And he didn't catch it.
He didn't uh, he didn't walk the ball over the
goal a wind himself. But he's certainly in that moment,
no matter what the perception of his frustration might be,
that's the that that that's the player that I know
we're getting on every snap, and this guy wants to win.
He's competitive, he's willing to do whatever it takes to

(41:58):
win game. And it's evident with what he's putting on
tape and in regards to my conversations with him, it's
more so Justin is our franchise player. He is you know,
he is a guy that has assumed a such a
role in this organization that he understands the value of
his week, his work preparation throughout the week, what he

(42:21):
brings to our team from an energy standpoint, and and
and I'll never fault him for the competitive heat drive.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
He has to help his team win.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
And uh, you know, I think that's that's the biggest
thing that comes out of it in my dialogue with him,
And we talk a lot, and you know, our relationship
as strong as ever because you know, I lean on
him in many many ways, you know, in regards to
helping to shape and guide our football team. You know,
especially when you've got a young quarterback and he knows
a lot of the factors that that can create throughout

(42:52):
the ebbs and flows of the season. And and he's
you know, he's been phenomenal.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
Jump off that justin yesterday was saying that of staying
the course that he's taken upon himself as if I
have to call up JJ and we have to do
things on our own and work on things. How valuable
for you as a coach to where the frustration can
kind of turn at this point of the season to
have JJ kind of you know spirit that way.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's you know, I think a lot of a lot
of folks and it's it's very typical for teams to
kind of hit that fork in the road and go
right or left. But it's it's you know, it's it's
hard to even imagine that with the type of guys
we have and the and the type of competitors we have,
and like I said, even through these you know, difficult

(43:40):
circumstances where you very easily could see some of that
and have to really implore the guys, you know, as
as a coach and your coaching staff to to keep
attacking it. You know, what we're sensing and feeling in
the minute to minute day to day work is a
team that continues to push, strive and fight. And I
think it was evident again yesterday, even after some of

(44:01):
the you know, the fan reaction that was justified to
how we were maybe playing in the past game on offense,
we stayed the course and just kept going and tried
to figure out a way to win that game and
had to lead under a minute. You know, both times
we've lost to Chicago since I've been here, I think
we've had the lead either under a minute or gotten
it back late in a game, and they've kicked a
field go to beat us. And both times we lost

(44:23):
the turnover battle by two. Both times we did things
throughout the game that they gave them a yellow brick
road to win the game, and we still had a
chance in the end and just didn't make you know,
that one complimentary play that would allow our defense to
maybe get that same stop just further back in the field.
So but like I said, it's it's there's no seeking

(44:48):
comfort in saying that. I'm proud of our guys's fight
and their ability to continue to play the way they
are from a physicality and an efforts standpoint, and it
becomes harder and harder as the results, you know, don't
come your way to consistently do that. But what this
team is made of I know we're going to continue
to do those things.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
And now we've got to.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Just focus on the consistency factor of how do we
play football in a way that it gives us better
chances to win games where it doesn't feel like it
is so difficult at times are it's such a heavy
lift to do so because it's hard enough to win
in the NFL as it is, and uh, you know,
these guys are these guys are made of the right stuff,
and we're going to keep attacking it. And we're going

(45:30):
to keep attacking it in a way that hopefully makes
you know, our fans proud of the way we're fighting,
like heck to go.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Want to know every week time.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Taking accountability the way he did it after the game,
Just how does that hit you and how.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Did you then apply that and translate that to growth
from practice into a game.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
To me, you know, if that falls right in line
with the intangibles of how he was able to get
it done at the end of the game, I mean,
he's he's never going to turn it down. He's never
going to turn the work down mentally or physically. This
is just to me, it's a consistency factor and discipline
of some very very simple things that were working very

(46:14):
hard to make translate in those competitive moments where you
get one opportunity a week and fifty four plays yesterday,
how many of those were in the two minute mode?
How many of those were in normal football? How many
of those were on third down? You know, you're just
trying to get him to understand that every single snap,
his detail and his job is of the utmost important.

(46:36):
I thought he had some really great protection calls yesterday.
It's a defense that had really really activated some problems
for people free runners left and right, you know, in
some zone pressures, and he was able to navigate what
was a pretty intricate protection plan and with precision, and that.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Was all pre snap.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Just like a lot of the things he's been able
to be prepared to doing his high capacity pre snap.
We just have to find that when it comes to
the post snap, and sometimes it's not even reads and progressions,
it's simply just the fundamental foundation that we need to
start seeing the concrete kind of dry a little bit
on the work that's put in.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Guys, turnovers will come. How come they haven't come?

Speaker 4 (47:19):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
It's uh, you know, there's a couple examples yesterday of
the ball getting tipped and fall into the turf at
us Bank Stadium and we've got a guy maybe one
or two steps away, you know there there wasn't you know.
I thought they for the most part, they didn't put
the ball at harm's risk very often. I think Caleb
put it on the ground maybe once late and was

(47:42):
able to secure it right back. And you just keep,
you know, Darren, you just keep you just keep playing
and you're doing the principles. I think we forced ten
negatives yesterday to try to put them behind the chains.
I think we can still strive to have that, you
know effect on defense. He some third and third and
long conversion on some simple plays where maybe one or
two guys just simply does their job a little bit better.

(48:04):
We get off the field on those, and that adds
to the day that our defense was having from a
U you know, stopping stopping a you know, a pretty
talented offense, and and and an offense that's been playing
playing pretty well.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
So I think you just got to keep playing. You
got to keep punching.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
You got to keep breaking, hammering, going at the football
when ball carriers have it getting population to the ball,
to see how many purple hats we can be have
arriving at the ball, to have those opportunities not only
to punch it out, but then get it when it
ends up on the ground, and then catch the ones
they throw to us. If we do get one throwing
our way, we got to make that play. And then

(48:40):
the tips and overthrows have to you know, the law
of averages should have even out on those at some point,
and we just got to keep staying the course. It's
much like the the mindset of our whole team right now.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
You they will come.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
You just got to keep staying the course and you know,
reap the benefits of the harvest when when they come
by doing the right things along the way leading into it.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
It?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Now what do we do? Are we behind? Should we break?

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
We're way behind? Oh yeah, okay, let's break.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I'll finish up. I'm having a barbecue chicken with red cabbage,
coal slaw, tacos, avocado, green beans. I'm just having I'm
having a terrific lunch. And it was fun to listen
to the head coach where there's plenty to sink our
teeth into as far as my lunch, and with what
the coach had to say, we'll do all of that

(49:37):
right now, though.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
We could do delayed five questions. Let's do a delay
five questions. Yes, let's do that. Do you have a
tease for us?

Speaker 6 (49:44):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (49:45):
What?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Any thing in the while? Now?

Speaker 6 (49:47):
I like