November 17, 2025 • 31 mins
Common Man Hour 2 --5 Questions --NFL No Huddle --McCarthy Under Microscope
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Radio program Network. We're gonna go to the bottom of
the hour here and then we'll straddle the forty five
and then we'll take it to the top. As we
get ready for our first segment of the one o'clock hour,
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we have a name for it.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's called five three four Time Now four.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Five questions, Well, actually, but five sounds like more than
four question number one.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Time Now for an in depth look at the state
of the state of hockey.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
After shutting out the Ducks to nothing Saturday night, the
Wild finished off a weekend sweep last night against the
Vegas Golden Knights. Carolla Prestoff scored the game winning goal
in overtime as the Wild beat the Golden Knights three
two at Grand Casino Arena. Yakoff Trenyon and Jueliarson Neck
scored as well. The Wild won four of their last
five games, and their six one to one run since
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the start of November is tied for first in the
National Hockey League. Common Are the wild back.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think you doubted that Wild Club can give it
up on him? No, that was me?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, who was I think it was Rosy. It's nice, you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Know again, Kenneby, you can use this for the next time.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The two of his gerald set sales. An eighty two
game season is not a sprint. It's a marathon. Oh
I like that, And so now I will admit it
was getting a bit dicey. I mean you dropped too
many games you played. The longer you can use this
as well, The longer you play poorly, the lesser chances
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are of pulling a Van Halen and getting it turned
around and making it push toward a playoffs.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Pop.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But that's nice.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was a shaky start, sort of the opposite of
last year, right, Do I recollect it correctly that we
got off to a really sizzling start last year and
then we.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Through yeah, through like half through December or second best
record in the West.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I thought, then, I think that's when our favorite player
here in Minnesota, carill caps of suffered an injury.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It was lower mid or upper body, but he was
out for an extended period of time.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And that's sort of coincided with our sh got hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's exactly right, and that sort of coincided with our
shaky play. But now you know it's yeah, so it's
it's it's much better. I have not I'm not paying
This calls attention to the National Hockey League standings as
I once did.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Where are we when? Nice?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, I know it's early, it's not like the playoffs
don't start today, but are we starting to climb the
ladder a little bit?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I would assume we are.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well in terms of points. They are in ninth place.
They are tied with Chicago and Vegas. They're in seventh
and eighth. But we've played two more games, okay, or
ninth in terms of points percentage, because the while that
played more games than most, we would be in tenth
place behind you, tom Ammoth. So okay, still not great,
but from where they were, you know, they were like
in the twelfth, thirteenth range there for a while. At
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least they're give themselves a chance get back in the mix.
But it's going to take a lot more.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Didn't didn't Goverer men's hockey team win a couple of
games too, That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I saw they lost the bad one. We're gonna get that.
That'll be in the next question.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh we did, Yeah, Okay, well let's go.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You're doing it the wild.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, that's all I have to say. But I say
it's sa marathon. It's not a sprint.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Okay, Question number two, it's time now for it's a
It's a full choice.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Which Gophers team had the most discouraging performance this weekend.
A The men's basketball team barely escaping with a win
over Wisconsin Green Bay at home after making just sixteen
of thirty three free throws in regulation. B the men's
hockey team losing the Long Island six to two Friday
night at the Mooch. Or see the football team's forty
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two thirteen loss at Oregon Friday night.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I thought we beat Long Island.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We did Saturday? Oh, Saturday, I lost to him.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Deuces right, luck charm. He went to the set Okay,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We salvage a split. But I didn't know Long Island
had a hockey team.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I didn't either. They have a great tea, not team,
but a great tea. You ever had a Long Island
t I have not known. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
I did not drink my drinking day's partake. But I
think a Long Island iced tea is all alcohol. There's
nothing else in it, really, all alcohol. That's for your
hardcorese If I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong,
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I apologize, but it wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong,
and it's not that big of a deal if I am.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I saw the story I read.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think it might have been fish wrap Factory West Side,
where Nico Medvett actually laughed about all the mystery throws.
He's laughing, he's smiling, and was Doug growing it, And yeah,
it's against a higher quality than in Wisconsin Green There
was a time Wisconsin Green Bay. I remember it was
ten twelve years ago. I don't remember their coach's name now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It was Dick the hell. It might have been Dick
but guess or Dick Weber. He got Wisconsin Green Bay
to the NCAA Tournament a couple of times. I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think those days are are are long gone.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Bennett.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's Dick Bennett. That's exactly who it was. So he's
still there. He must be gone by now, because you
know what, once they have some success.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
He han't coach since two thousand and six. He's eighty
two years old.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, so he's he's he's hung them up. He's hung
up the truck. The truck. Taylor's generally want a coach.
Coaches coach in Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
See, well that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You coach up in Wisconsin, Green May and then they
come calling, right, so.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Went to Wisconsin. Anyway, there was a time that was
a good club. You need to win that game.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But yeah, it's I don't know, it's I know anytime
there's a coaching change and you bring in new recruits,
and you bring in transfers, and you portal this, you
porter that, nill this, nil that.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
For as much as we can, we don't do a
lot of nil.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I guess you kind of have high hopes, right, And
we won the first two Cupcake games and then we
somebody throttled us, remember who it was pretty badly Game
three and then to barely escape here.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So growing pains just the golfer game that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, not even competitive in three games against quality
Big ten opposite number one teaven in college football Ohio State, right,
and I get that, but you know it's still to
be completely outclassed. And that's my guess is is the
coaching named Jason Day. No, that's the golfer the Day
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character for as my guess is he called off the
dogs in the Gopher game, right, I mean, once you
get up a while, you start running the ball. My
guess is of Hoio stated wanted to They could have
doubled up on that score. They could have scored eighty
two points. I think they scored forty something. They could
have scored eighty if they wanted. I'm sure the Iowa
game was. I watched it. I said it that, I'll
say it again. The only silver lining in that gray
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cloud was I was able to get the yardwork done.
Because I planned to watch the entire game to thirty
start taken and it's a darkness I was I was
going to get behind on my fall cleanup. I was
able to get most a lot of it done. That
was just that stat will never leave my mind. First
four possessions the Golpher had. The Gophers had one yard
of offense, one yard in four possessions. At the same
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moment in the game, I had thirty one points. I mean,
it's like Wow. And then against or again again, I
think we didn't get a tuddy? Didn't we Did we
get a tuddy? I think we got two of them?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Did we get two tuddies?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, we had thirteen points, maybe it was tuddy and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think it was two. I think it was two figgies.
But we got a tuddy.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was another one of those games that by halftime I.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Stopped watching exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And it's again, I know the coach, there's there are
a lot of flex supporters out there, and I'm not
a non supporter or a supporter. He's I verbally slapped
him on the back every year at the State Fair.
He's there with Pa. I slapp him on the back.
I tell him some kind of a you know, I
say some kind of I try to say something relatively huge.
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He just has a blank stare on his face, glazed
overlook because he's wondering who is this person and then
I just move on with my life. And I you know,
he's a rolled the boat guy and that's all for
a good cause, and you know his best intentions are there,
but there's just this is what I tried to tell
people all along. There's no coach coming in here and going.
There's Paul bear Bryant's not.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Coming in on a you know, it's just not And
it's like.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
We talked about it last week when I sent that
an innocuous text after we beat Michigan State and we
have to do it in overtime, and I said, I
don't think we need to give them an extension. They're
all these Gopher fans just ripping me. Yeah, yeah, get
rid of Fleck. You'll see where this program goes. No
one said get rid of him. I said, we just
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don't need to give him an extension. He's already gotten
like a seven year deal left, doesn't even like seven
years left on his contract. Just let it play out,
and if he wants to go, let him go, because
there's other coaches that can do just what he's doing
in here. And if you I know there are people
that think that's wrong, your your your nuts. But Tracy
Clays and Jerry Kill had.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The team going in the right direction. Glen Mason had
it going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, come on, yeah, the who are you going to
find that's better? Remember we hear that with was that
with Glen Mason? We used to hear that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, we'd hear it a lot. Yeah, that's exactly right,
That's exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You can find replacement level.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You can't look at Indiana, for instance, just and just
google them if you don't know who I'm talking about.
But yeah, that's you know, and I know the coach
after the Ohio State game and the Iowa game, he
said in his in his postgame comments, he said, I
told the kids, we're a good football program, and we're
a good football team. And I guess that all depends
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upon your definition of good and it depends upon.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Sir.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, I guess they're there. If you take away the
best teams.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
In the Big ten, actually the Big eighteen, that would be.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Your Michigan's, your Ohio States, is your Iowa in your Oregon.
Those are the four best, and there's I don't know
in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Those five right there.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That leaves you with thirteen teams of that thirteen where
the Gophers are they in that? And let's say there's
one more in there, So there's twelve teams left of
that twelve are we in the upper upper third, middle third,
bottom third?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Maybe upper third? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I I'd say it's probably middle third or maybe at
the top of the middle third, the beginning of the beginning,
to the middle of the middle of the beginning of
the end. And so I I but that's yeah, that
was just a And I watched it. It was a
and I gave up on it to it like you did.
But I watched it was Friday night. I had nothing
else to do, all repped up with the all dressed up,
with no place to go, and it was just a
bad beat down.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Unfortunate Question Number three, NFL no huddle.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The Rams beat the Seahawks twenty one nineteen common as
LA the best in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
As we speak. You know, when you take a look at.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Your pop of power rankings, defense wins championships.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I love the way Philadelphia is playing defense. The Rams had.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The Rams gave Sammy Donald all kinds of time for
the for the for the Sam Donald haters out there,
or maybe not even haters, but the people that were
that they looked at that performance against Detroit as you know,
that's such a glaring, a glaringly bad performance. We want
nothing to do with him and need to move on
to JJ. That was another performance yesterday. He had some
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really bad throw is that being said? Much like McCarthy yesterday,
Seahawks had a chance to win that game late. We
had that on the Uh you know, we were watching
that game along with Kansas City versus Denver.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Somebody in spread swing actually took Kansas City. But yeah,
that's so. But but I I still like Sammy Darnald.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
But yeah, that's the Rams are really I again, if
I'd say it's Rams in Philly right now, but week
to week that that does change.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Just mentioned it. Well, lot's at a game winning field
goal as time expired as the Broncos beat the Chiefs
twenty two to nineteen. Common are the Chiefs? Donzo well.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Whoever that was during spreads he said, some Chiefs are
going to flex their muscles now. They're that team that
they don't worry about the regular I mean, they worry
enough that they just want to get into the tournament,
even if it's as.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
A wild card. I mean, they're.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Their history speaks for itself. Haven't they won the NFS
or the AFC West like ten years in a row
and they've been at the big game what.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
For the last five, like the AFC Championship like seven
years in a row.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, So it's like it's it is hard to doubt them,
you know how I am I unless it's my team,
that's the dynasty.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I'm not much for dynasty.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So I don't mind Kansas City struggling to not being
what they were, but you still fear them because of Mahomes.
I'm doing the idolization and pedestalization that I don't like.
But I think there are CERTA players that rise to
that level. There aren't many of them, but they do,
and so I just keep expecting Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
But like Mahomes had a.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Bad interception in that game that was just see that
left to scratch in your head. You thought it was
Golf or Caleb Williams McCarthy. But I don't know if
they're done though, but it's starting to feel that way.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean, they they need.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
To, as we like to say tennby, I think they
almost need to run the table because there's some pretty
good records in that AFC.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The Eagles defeated your Detroit Lyons sixteen to nine last
night on Sunday Night Football common what happened to your squad.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Got out? Coach out? Playing? The quarterback was not very good.
He had but he had no.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That offensive line, you know, GoF you and I have
talked about this, and most quarterbacks fit this description. If
you give them time to throw, they'll carve you up.
And golf can do that. Golf is, but he wasn't.
He had no time to throw them.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
When he's he's just so it's like he's.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Standing on a rickety ladder trying to paint a house,
and it's when he's trying to run or stand in
the you know what I'm saying, When he gets under pressure,
you just know it's going.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
To end badly.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
He's not good at throwing on the run, and he
just the running game wasn't as good. Campbell, we talked
about this. Look at I like the Dan Gamble, Campbell,
Let's go for that, you know, go Ford on fourth down.
But in a game like last night, when the reason
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they went forward on fourth down all for the first
few years is because their defense wasn't any good.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They were having to win.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Games thirty five thirty one, so you needed tuddies.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Last night, you needed field goals, and they eschewed a.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Couple of Did the win maybe scare them away from
kicking shield balls though?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well? Yeah, but still when you're.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Philly had three field goals, they had three figures when
they say sixteen nine, they had three figures. Detroit had
one FIGI I think they missed an extra point because
dope be wide receivers were a celebration And why is
this a penalty? I thought you could do anything you
want in a celebrat. Did you see them where they got?
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They got penalized fifteen yar.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I saw the touchdown. I didn't see a celebration.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
He ran that. He jumped onto the goal post and
hugged it. They had a goal post and just fell back.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Is that considered like a prop Is that why? I guess?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But Douce told me he thought.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Some other diva wide receivers done it before and didn't
get a penalized on it. Well, then you know again,
I'm gonna I'm gonna this is I'm gonna do a
classic Vikings fan take, Lion's got a jobbed by the officials.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Did you see the.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Last Yes, that was a bad call, So you'll agree
with me there and Jews and I didn't complain the
whole We just looked.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
At each other and said, that's just what happens sometimes,
because there have been other.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Calls that have gone in the lines favor, but that's
just not pass interference. And now, the reason it's hard
to complain is because the Lions offense had been so
anemic all game. I don't think they would have scored anyway,
but they would have got the ball back. The clock
had stopped. There was over a minute to go, and
the lines is still think had one time out, so
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there was still would have been an opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Take the ball out any chance. Yeah, but with the
way they were playing, I don't think they would have
done anything anyway. But there you go. That's five, three, four, and.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
That's it for today's edition of five questions. Well actually
three questions, but five sounds like more than four.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
More vikings talks from text messages coming in on the
Minnesota Golden gober men's football team as well. Maybe get
back to some more hockey talk see if ten is
getting really excited about his wild club and more to
get to, we'll take a short break.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm not going more after this right here on.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
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Speaker 6 (18:37):
I mean, it's like, hello.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Sorry about that. I lost track of time. Time flies
when you are having fun. I'm common, he is Tanabe
and uh we are here until three and then we
will turn it over to Poise Polishing professional big ticket
and uh, jay g, I've tattered with this. I think
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I don't necessarily block people, but I think I'm about
to now. Well, I just hate when they make accusations
that aren't even true.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So yeah, I think he's it's been a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He texts all the time, but he's done because now
and I don't know how to bring I don't know
how to unblock people.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So you're you're.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Your own fault man, unless you probably don't even really
care if you're unblocked, but you text every day to
all the shows, but uh, your text are no longer.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Being received. It feels good too.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To have that kind of power to just say enough.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Enough, we don't need used to rip all the time
for blocking.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, well, when when when I've told you when people
are either use follow language or they out and out lie,
they make up lies, And I don't want to when
you when if you're just chiding people, that's one thing,
But when when you're really out and out lies or
using followl language or making threats, then you're out.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I'm sorry. I don't play that game.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I do find it fascinating how behind a keyboard people
will say stuff that they would never say in person.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Absolutely that is correct.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But like if I had someone in person say some
of that kind of stuff, then I just wouldn't hang
out and spend time with them. So that's the same
way I approached my social media.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's exactly right, and I'm approaching it the same way now.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So the head coach spent much of his news conference
early on talking about it's that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Head shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The eyes and the feet lining up, and yeah, some
of the basics. Don't most quarterbacks by the time they
get to pro football have the basic mechanics down. I mean,
or is there a bigger learning curve that I'm even
aware of? You know what I'm saying, because it sounds
like there's still trying some of just the basic concepts
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of quarterbacking. You know, his posture when you know there
was something about well, when he stands straight up, he's accurate. Well,
then why is he slouching his shoulders and not standing
straight up? And then how do you not keep your
feet aligned with your And he must do it occasionally
because he brought up the coach pointed out, and he
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was he was.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Maybe they just.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Need to do like a hurry up offense the entire
game because he was. He was pretty sharp in that
last possession. Now again, the Bears, my guests are playing
a little prevent right.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
They're trying not to give up the big throw.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
But they they heat He took them down the field.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Had they got the game the go ahead, Toddy prevent it?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Oh, exactly, they got the go ahead, Toddy and then
of course we know about the punt return, the kickoff
return that basically signed, sealed and delivered it.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I thought we were too aggressive, and then I'm coming
to fruition. I thought it was too much time for Caleb.
Now I ended up being too much time for their
kick return, but they scored too quickly. Yeah, they Now
at that point, the way JJ had been playing, I
guess you can't ask, you can't be too picky.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You just got to get in the end zone, right, Yeah,
that's that's exactly right. So I just don't know, you know,
I just talked to one of our sales guys who
speaking of chiding chiding me last week. He goes, when
they beat when the when? When the when the Vikings
beat the line? He said, well, we finally got our
starting quarterback back. He was cocky, right, even though he
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didn't play particularly well in that Lions game, really, but
he was okay, right, all right, he played all right.
So I just saw him now and he knew what
was coming, and go, it's a good thing he got
your starting quarterback back.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And then he goes, well yeah, he goes, well it'll
get better, and I said, well, we don't know that
for sure. And he said, would you give up on
him right now? And I said, no, you can't give
up on it. He just I mean that would be
I mean, it is to the point of the season
where remember when all the fans were saying, we're not
going to the big game anyway, so we.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
May as well see what we have.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, that's kind of where they're at now, because I
get the feeling they're not going to the big game
and lost my feelings off. I don't know how you feel,
and so you do have to see.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean, they have to six and won the rest
of the way. Minimum. Yeah, it seems unlike form what
I've seen the season. That seems very unlikely. And one
of the teams you needed to chase in your conference
was the Bears. You would have the tiebreaker on him,
and now that's another team that you're not gonna be
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able to reach. So they're they're in massive trouble for
this for this season.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think you're absolutely I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
There was the the story leading up to the game.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It was.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
The piece in the fisher matfactory. West had been guestling
headline McCarthy. Jefferson at a crossroads as Vikings prepare for
the Bears, and we talked a bit about this story
because this was a this was kind of like.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
A there was that.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's that story about Jefferson and where he's been, where
he's going, where he's Remember when he had the quotes
earlier in the week when he did something about want
to get back to overly loving the game again other
than just loving it, trying to get back to that
thrilling days of the season he had when he had
the great catch against Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
We want matter of fact, he posted on his Insta,
I think.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That highlight saying that's what he wanted to get back to,
and I think it raised some eyebrows from some people,
you know, you know, you and I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I thought it was a bit it was at least,
you know, it would raise eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm not sure it was necessarily you know, full panic mode.
But when your when you're franchise player, talks about I
got a lot of things going on off, you know,
in my life, and huh, you also getting paid forty
million dollars a year to play football and that you
got to find a way to put your life stuff
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on the back burner while the games are going on.
But there were some other quotes from some other principles
about the fine line between how long do you just
is everything focused on getting the quarterback to improve and
how much is trying to win football games. We'll take
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a look at that. On the other side of the break,
it's Common Man Program here on the fan the while
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that's throwing it back in style.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
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Speaker 3 (26:43):
A couple of thirteen fourteen past Common Man Program. I'm
common He's tenab. We were talking over the past few
weeks about, you know, there is that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Contingent to the fan base that said, this season is over,
we need to play McCarthy to see what we have
at quarterback. And then we talked about, well, that's easy
for a fan to say, but as an organization that's
built to win and built to win right now, and
make no mistake, they were coming off of fourteen and
three or thirteen and four season, whatever it was last year,
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and when you refurbish the interior of the offensive line
and defensive line with veteran players and paying them a
lot of money. You're trying to win right now, and
the Vikings felt they could do that with a basically.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
A rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Again, he had a year to watch and study, but
let's face it, he had never played before. So whether
you want to call him a rookie or not, an
inexperienced quarterback at best. But I think the the the
organization felt with a really good b flow defense and
a solid running game and a good defensive line to
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provide protection.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You don't need to have.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
There have been teams that can win games without having
a quarterback putting up Pro Bowl numbers. Can do that
as long as they don't make a lot of mistakes.
He continues to grow, play well, make some key throws.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
When he needs to.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
You can win that way, and that was I think
what the Viking's plan was. Hasn't worked that way obviously.
This is from Kramer's piece Akramer Guestling from Saturday. It
says the quarterbacks studiousness and command of concepts O'Connell has said,
means the Vikings don't worry about how much he can handle,
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but his classroom time for exceeds his on field experience,
and as McCarthy leads an offense full of veterans who
returned from a fourteen win team, offensive coordinated with Wes
Phillips said this week, quote, it wouldn't be fair to
the other guys unquote if the Vikings simplify their game
plan to reflect the quarterback's youth, exactly what you and
I were talking about, where you can't just we've got
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a game.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's not just one kid's career here. There are fifty
other two guys, fifty two.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Other players that have signed contracts that are laying it
on the line.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Guys are in the training room. It's Badwag, it really is.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Phillip says, I don't think we ever go into a
game saying, hey, this is about JJ's development in this game.
We're trying to set up the best plan for the
guys we have JJ included. But it wouldn't be fair
to anyone else on our football team to hold back
on anything that we felt we needed to.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Go win a football game.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So now you're not just hearing it from me, and
I played both sides of the ball. Back in forth
fifth and sixth grade, fierce bass rusion rocket. You brought
the run stoping defensive lineman, precise rout rsure in a
bass catching tight end. But now you're hearing it from
a member of the coaching staff, a highly regarded member
the coaching staff, saying, this isn't just about developing one
player with the training wheels on, because he's on training
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wheels right now. And not only is he on training wheels,
but he has somebody holding the handlebars too. Do you
remember teaching your kids how to ride about? Yeah, exactly,
I did it with Deuce. I remember both do some
baby brother, Peter, You're you're right alongside of him, and
you're holding that handlebar and finally you just let it
go and let them go on their own and then
they fall, and then they fall one second later, one
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second later. But and that's kind of what McCarthy's been
doing here for the most part. That always had his moments.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
He's gotten down the block and back.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
A couple of times in that first Bears game and
then again then the second Bears game in that very
final possession, and he's had his other moments as well.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But folks, it's just I and as a fan, I.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Know you you feel you have patience.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I've been through this before. I'm gonna be around next.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
If you're if you're a fan of the Vikings, and
let's say you're thirty years old and you're planning to
stay in minn Sodia love football, well you're probably gonna
be a fan for the next thirty forty fifty years.
So for you one year to develop a quarterback doesn't
mean anything in your grand scheme of fandom. But I'm
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justin Jefferson, or I'm Blake cash Man, Harrison Smith, I'm
Harrison's I mean you came back or any one last
year or any of these got right, any of these players.
You're thinking, well, no, we we love of the kid,
but is this pro football?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Man?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You We we got to move this along.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We can't worry every week if your eyes are aligned
with your feet. So I think that's probably a part
of this as as well. It's you know, when you're
talking sports, it's it's it's complicated. Yes, we'll take a break,
come back another hour to go other side of the break.
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Programming notes for close circuit to a station fall along
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and then we'll take it to the top. As we
get ready for our first segment of the one o'clock hour,
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we have a name for it.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's called five three four Time Now four.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Five questions, Well, actually, but five sounds like more than
four question number one.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Time Now for an in depth look at the state
of the state of hockey.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
After shutting out the Ducks to nothing Saturday night, the
Wild finished off a weekend sweep last night against the
Vegas Golden Knights. Carolla Prestoff scored the game winning goal
in overtime as the Wild beat the Golden Knights three
two at Grand Casino Arena. Yakoff Trenyon and Jueliarson Neck
scored as well. The Wild won four of their last
five games, and their six one to one run since
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the start of November is tied for first in the
National Hockey League. Common Are the wild back.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think you doubted that Wild Club can give it
up on him? No, that was me?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, who was I think it was Rosy. It's nice, you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Know again, Kenneby, you can use this for the next time.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The two of his gerald set sales. An eighty two
game season is not a sprint. It's a marathon. Oh
I like that, And so now I will admit it
was getting a bit dicey. I mean you dropped too
many games you played. The longer you can use this
as well, The longer you play poorly, the lesser chances
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are of pulling a Van Halen and getting it turned
around and making it push toward a playoffs.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Pop.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But that's nice.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was a shaky start, sort of the opposite of
last year, right, Do I recollect it correctly that we
got off to a really sizzling start last year and
then we.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Through yeah, through like half through December or second best
record in the West.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I thought, then, I think that's when our favorite player
here in Minnesota, carill caps of suffered an injury.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It was lower mid or upper body, but he was
out for an extended period of time.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And that's sort of coincided with our sh got hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's exactly right, and that sort of coincided with our
shaky play. But now you know it's yeah, so it's
it's it's much better. I have not I'm not paying
This calls attention to the National Hockey League standings as
I once did.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Where are we when? Nice?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, I know it's early, it's not like the playoffs
don't start today, but are we starting to climb the
ladder a little bit?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I would assume we are.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well in terms of points. They are in ninth place.
They are tied with Chicago and Vegas. They're in seventh
and eighth. But we've played two more games, okay, or
ninth in terms of points percentage, because the while that
played more games than most, we would be in tenth
place behind you, tom Ammoth. So okay, still not great,
but from where they were, you know, they were like
in the twelfth, thirteenth range there for a while. At
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least they're give themselves a chance get back in the mix.
But it's going to take a lot more.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Didn't didn't Goverer men's hockey team win a couple of
games too, That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I saw they lost the bad one. We're gonna get that.
That'll be in the next question.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh we did, Yeah, Okay, well let's go.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You're doing it the wild.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, that's all I have to say. But I say
it's sa marathon. It's not a sprint.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Okay, Question number two, it's time now for it's a
It's a full choice.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Which Gophers team had the most discouraging performance this weekend.
A The men's basketball team barely escaping with a win
over Wisconsin Green Bay at home after making just sixteen
of thirty three free throws in regulation. B the men's
hockey team losing the Long Island six to two Friday
night at the Mooch. Or see the football team's forty
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two thirteen loss at Oregon Friday night.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I thought we beat Long Island.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We did Saturday? Oh, Saturday, I lost to him.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Deuces right, luck charm. He went to the set Okay,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We salvage a split. But I didn't know Long Island
had a hockey team.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I didn't either. They have a great tea, not team,
but a great tea. You ever had a Long Island
t I have not known. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
I did not drink my drinking day's partake. But I
think a Long Island iced tea is all alcohol. There's
nothing else in it, really, all alcohol. That's for your
hardcorese If I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong,
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I apologize, but it wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong,
and it's not that big of a deal if I am.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I saw the story I read.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think it might have been fish wrap Factory West Side,
where Nico Medvett actually laughed about all the mystery throws.
He's laughing, he's smiling, and was Doug growing it, And yeah,
it's against a higher quality than in Wisconsin Green There
was a time Wisconsin Green Bay. I remember it was
ten twelve years ago. I don't remember their coach's name now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It was Dick the hell. It might have been Dick
but guess or Dick Weber. He got Wisconsin Green Bay
to the NCAA Tournament a couple of times. I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think those days are are are long gone.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Bennett.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's Dick Bennett. That's exactly who it was. So he's
still there. He must be gone by now, because you
know what, once they have some success.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
He han't coach since two thousand and six. He's eighty
two years old.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, so he's he's he's hung them up. He's hung
up the truck. The truck. Taylor's generally want a coach.
Coaches coach in Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
See, well that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You coach up in Wisconsin, Green May and then they
come calling, right, so.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Went to Wisconsin. Anyway, there was a time that was
a good club. You need to win that game.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But yeah, it's I don't know, it's I know anytime
there's a coaching change and you bring in new recruits,
and you bring in transfers, and you portal this, you
porter that, nill this, nil that.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
For as much as we can, we don't do a
lot of nil.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I guess you kind of have high hopes, right, And
we won the first two Cupcake games and then we
somebody throttled us, remember who it was pretty badly Game
three and then to barely escape here.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So growing pains just the golfer game that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, not even competitive in three games against quality
Big ten opposite number one teaven in college football Ohio State, right,
and I get that, but you know it's still to
be completely outclassed. And that's my guess is is the
coaching named Jason Day. No, that's the golfer the Day
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character for as my guess is he called off the
dogs in the Gopher game, right, I mean, once you
get up a while, you start running the ball. My
guess is of Hoio stated wanted to They could have
doubled up on that score. They could have scored eighty
two points. I think they scored forty something. They could
have scored eighty if they wanted. I'm sure the Iowa
game was. I watched it. I said it that, I'll
say it again. The only silver lining in that gray
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cloud was I was able to get the yardwork done.
Because I planned to watch the entire game to thirty
start taken and it's a darkness I was I was
going to get behind on my fall cleanup. I was
able to get most a lot of it done. That
was just that stat will never leave my mind. First
four possessions the Golpher had. The Gophers had one yard
of offense, one yard in four possessions. At the same
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moment in the game, I had thirty one points. I mean,
it's like Wow. And then against or again again, I
think we didn't get a tuddy? Didn't we Did we
get a tuddy? I think we got two of them?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Did we get two tuddies?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, we had thirteen points, maybe it was tuddy and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I think it was two. I think it was two figgies.
But we got a tuddy.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was another one of those games that by halftime I.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Stopped watching exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And it's again, I know the coach, there's there are
a lot of flex supporters out there, and I'm not
a non supporter or a supporter. He's I verbally slapped
him on the back every year at the State Fair.
He's there with Pa. I slapp him on the back.
I tell him some kind of a you know, I
say some kind of I try to say something relatively huge.
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He just has a blank stare on his face, glazed
overlook because he's wondering who is this person and then
I just move on with my life. And I you know,
he's a rolled the boat guy and that's all for
a good cause, and you know his best intentions are there,
but there's just this is what I tried to tell
people all along. There's no coach coming in here and going.
There's Paul bear Bryant's not.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Coming in on a you know, it's just not And
it's like.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
We talked about it last week when I sent that
an innocuous text after we beat Michigan State and we
have to do it in overtime, and I said, I
don't think we need to give them an extension. They're
all these Gopher fans just ripping me. Yeah, yeah, get
rid of Fleck. You'll see where this program goes. No
one said get rid of him. I said, we just
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don't need to give him an extension. He's already gotten
like a seven year deal left, doesn't even like seven
years left on his contract. Just let it play out,
and if he wants to go, let him go, because
there's other coaches that can do just what he's doing
in here. And if you I know there are people
that think that's wrong, your your your nuts. But Tracy
Clays and Jerry Kill had.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The team going in the right direction. Glen Mason had
it going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, come on, yeah, the who are you going to
find that's better? Remember we hear that with was that
with Glen Mason? We used to hear that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, we'd hear it a lot. Yeah, that's exactly right,
That's exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You can find replacement level.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You can't look at Indiana, for instance, just and just
google them if you don't know who I'm talking about.
But yeah, that's you know, and I know the coach
after the Ohio State game and the Iowa game, he
said in his in his postgame comments, he said, I
told the kids, we're a good football program, and we're
a good football team. And I guess that all depends
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upon your definition of good and it depends upon.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Sir.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, I guess they're there. If you take away the
best teams.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
In the Big ten, actually the Big eighteen, that would be.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Your Michigan's, your Ohio States, is your Iowa in your Oregon.
Those are the four best, and there's I don't know
in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Those five right there.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That leaves you with thirteen teams of that thirteen where
the Gophers are they in that? And let's say there's
one more in there, So there's twelve teams left of
that twelve are we in the upper upper third, middle third,
bottom third?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Maybe upper third? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I I'd say it's probably middle third or maybe at
the top of the middle third, the beginning of the beginning,
to the middle of the middle of the beginning of
the end. And so I I but that's yeah, that
was just a And I watched it. It was a
and I gave up on it to it like you did.
But I watched it was Friday night. I had nothing
else to do, all repped up with the all dressed up,
with no place to go, and it was just a
bad beat down.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Unfortunate Question Number three, NFL no huddle.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The Rams beat the Seahawks twenty one nineteen common as
LA the best in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
As we speak. You know, when you take a look at.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Your pop of power rankings, defense wins championships.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I love the way Philadelphia is playing defense. The Rams had.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The Rams gave Sammy Donald all kinds of time for
the for the for the Sam Donald haters out there,
or maybe not even haters, but the people that were
that they looked at that performance against Detroit as you know,
that's such a glaring, a glaringly bad performance. We want
nothing to do with him and need to move on
to JJ. That was another performance yesterday. He had some
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really bad throw is that being said? Much like McCarthy yesterday,
Seahawks had a chance to win that game late. We
had that on the Uh you know, we were watching
that game along with Kansas City versus Denver.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Somebody in spread swing actually took Kansas City. But yeah,
that's so. But but I I still like Sammy Darnald.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
But yeah, that's the Rams are really I again, if
I'd say it's Rams in Philly right now, but week
to week that that does change.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Just mentioned it. Well, lot's at a game winning field
goal as time expired as the Broncos beat the Chiefs
twenty two to nineteen. Common are the Chiefs? Donzo well.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Whoever that was during spreads he said, some Chiefs are
going to flex their muscles now. They're that team that
they don't worry about the regular I mean, they worry
enough that they just want to get into the tournament,
even if it's as.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
A wild card. I mean, they're.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Their history speaks for itself. Haven't they won the NFS
or the AFC West like ten years in a row
and they've been at the big game what.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
For the last five, like the AFC Championship like seven
years in a row.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, So it's like it's it is hard to doubt them,
you know how I am I unless it's my team,
that's the dynasty.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I'm not much for dynasty.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So I don't mind Kansas City struggling to not being
what they were, but you still fear them because of Mahomes.
I'm doing the idolization and pedestalization that I don't like.
But I think there are CERTA players that rise to
that level. There aren't many of them, but they do,
and so I just keep expecting Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
But like Mahomes had a.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Bad interception in that game that was just see that
left to scratch in your head. You thought it was
Golf or Caleb Williams McCarthy. But I don't know if
they're done though, but it's starting to feel that way.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean, they they need.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
To, as we like to say tennby, I think they
almost need to run the table because there's some pretty
good records in that AFC.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The Eagles defeated your Detroit Lyons sixteen to nine last
night on Sunday Night Football common what happened to your squad.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Got out? Coach out? Playing? The quarterback was not very good.
He had but he had no.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That offensive line, you know, GoF you and I have
talked about this, and most quarterbacks fit this description. If
you give them time to throw, they'll carve you up.
And golf can do that. Golf is, but he wasn't.
He had no time to throw them.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
When he's he's just so it's like he's.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Standing on a rickety ladder trying to paint a house,
and it's when he's trying to run or stand in
the you know what I'm saying, When he gets under pressure,
you just know it's going.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
To end badly.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
He's not good at throwing on the run, and he
just the running game wasn't as good. Campbell, we talked
about this. Look at I like the Dan Gamble, Campbell,
Let's go for that, you know, go Ford on fourth down.
But in a game like last night, when the reason
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they went forward on fourth down all for the first
few years is because their defense wasn't any good.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They were having to win.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Games thirty five thirty one, so you needed tuddies.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Last night, you needed field goals, and they eschewed a.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Couple of Did the win maybe scare them away from
kicking shield balls though?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well? Yeah, but still when you're.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Philly had three field goals, they had three figures when
they say sixteen nine, they had three figures. Detroit had
one FIGI I think they missed an extra point because
dope be wide receivers were a celebration And why is
this a penalty? I thought you could do anything you
want in a celebrat. Did you see them where they got?
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They got penalized fifteen yar.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I saw the touchdown. I didn't see a celebration.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
He ran that. He jumped onto the goal post and
hugged it. They had a goal post and just fell back.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Is that considered like a prop Is that why? I guess?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But Douce told me he thought.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Some other diva wide receivers done it before and didn't
get a penalized on it. Well, then you know again,
I'm gonna I'm gonna this is I'm gonna do a
classic Vikings fan take, Lion's got a jobbed by the officials.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Did you see the.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Last Yes, that was a bad call, So you'll agree
with me there and Jews and I didn't complain the
whole We just looked.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
At each other and said, that's just what happens sometimes,
because there have been other.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Calls that have gone in the lines favor, but that's
just not pass interference. And now, the reason it's hard
to complain is because the Lions offense had been so
anemic all game. I don't think they would have scored anyway,
but they would have got the ball back. The clock
had stopped. There was over a minute to go, and
the lines is still think had one time out, so
(17:26):
there was still would have been an opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Take the ball out any chance. Yeah, but with the
way they were playing, I don't think they would have
done anything anyway. But there you go. That's five, three, four, and.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
That's it for today's edition of five questions. Well actually
three questions, but five sounds like more than four.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
More vikings talks from text messages coming in on the
Minnesota Golden gober men's football team as well. Maybe get
back to some more hockey talk see if ten is
getting really excited about his wild club and more to
get to, we'll take a short break.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm not going more after this right here on.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
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Speaker 6 (18:37):
I mean, it's like, hello.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Sorry about that. I lost track of time. Time flies
when you are having fun. I'm common, he is Tanabe
and uh we are here until three and then we
will turn it over to Poise Polishing professional big ticket
and uh, jay g, I've tattered with this. I think
(19:44):
I don't necessarily block people, but I think I'm about
to now. Well, I just hate when they make accusations
that aren't even true.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So yeah, I think he's it's been a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He texts all the time, but he's done because now
and I don't know how to bring I don't know
how to unblock people.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So you're you're.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Your own fault man, unless you probably don't even really
care if you're unblocked, but you text every day to
all the shows, but uh, your text are no longer.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Being received. It feels good too.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To have that kind of power to just say enough.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Enough, we don't need used to rip all the time
for blocking.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, well, when when when I've told you when people
are either use follow language or they out and out lie,
they make up lies, And I don't want to when
you when if you're just chiding people, that's one thing,
But when when you're really out and out lies or
using followl language or making threats, then you're out.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I'm sorry. I don't play that game.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I do find it fascinating how behind a keyboard people
will say stuff that they would never say in person.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Absolutely that is correct.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But like if I had someone in person say some
of that kind of stuff, then I just wouldn't hang
out and spend time with them. So that's the same
way I approached my social media.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's exactly right, and I'm approaching it the same way now.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So the head coach spent much of his news conference
early on talking about it's that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Head shoulders knees and toes, knees and toes.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
The eyes and the feet lining up, and yeah, some
of the basics. Don't most quarterbacks by the time they
get to pro football have the basic mechanics down. I mean,
or is there a bigger learning curve that I'm even
aware of? You know what I'm saying, because it sounds
like there's still trying some of just the basic concepts
(21:42):
of quarterbacking. You know, his posture when you know there
was something about well, when he stands straight up, he's accurate. Well,
then why is he slouching his shoulders and not standing
straight up? And then how do you not keep your
feet aligned with your And he must do it occasionally
because he brought up the coach pointed out, and he
(22:03):
was he was.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Maybe they just.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Need to do like a hurry up offense the entire
game because he was. He was pretty sharp in that
last possession. Now again, the Bears, my guests are playing
a little prevent right.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
They're trying not to give up the big throw.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
But they they heat He took them down the field.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Had they got the game the go ahead, Toddy prevent it?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Oh, exactly, they got the go ahead, Toddy and then
of course we know about the punt return, the kickoff
return that basically signed, sealed and delivered it.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I thought we were too aggressive, and then I'm coming
to fruition. I thought it was too much time for Caleb.
Now I ended up being too much time for their
kick return, but they scored too quickly. Yeah, they Now
at that point, the way JJ had been playing, I
guess you can't ask, you can't be too picky.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You just got to get in the end zone, right, Yeah,
that's that's exactly right. So I just don't know, you know,
I just talked to one of our sales guys who
speaking of chiding chiding me last week. He goes, when
they beat when the when? When the when the Vikings
beat the line? He said, well, we finally got our
starting quarterback back. He was cocky, right, even though he
(23:06):
didn't play particularly well in that Lions game, really, but
he was okay, right, all right, he played all right.
So I just saw him now and he knew what
was coming, and go, it's a good thing he got
your starting quarterback back.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And then he goes, well yeah, he goes, well it'll
get better, and I said, well, we don't know that
for sure. And he said, would you give up on
him right now? And I said, no, you can't give
up on it. He just I mean that would be
I mean, it is to the point of the season
where remember when all the fans were saying, we're not
going to the big game anyway, so we.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
May as well see what we have.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, that's kind of where they're at now, because I
get the feeling they're not going to the big game
and lost my feelings off. I don't know how you feel,
and so you do have to see.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean, they have to six and won the rest
of the way. Minimum. Yeah, it seems unlike form what
I've seen the season. That seems very unlikely. And one
of the teams you needed to chase in your conference
was the Bears. You would have the tiebreaker on him,
and now that's another team that you're not gonna be
(24:11):
able to reach. So they're they're in massive trouble for
this for this season.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think you're absolutely I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
There was the the story leading up to the game.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It was.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
The piece in the fisher matfactory. West had been guestling
headline McCarthy. Jefferson at a crossroads as Vikings prepare for
the Bears, and we talked a bit about this story
because this was a this was kind of like.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
A there was that.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's that story about Jefferson and where he's been, where
he's going, where he's Remember when he had the quotes
earlier in the week when he did something about want
to get back to overly loving the game again other
than just loving it, trying to get back to that
thrilling days of the season he had when he had
the great catch against Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
We want matter of fact, he posted on his Insta,
I think.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That highlight saying that's what he wanted to get back to,
and I think it raised some eyebrows from some people,
you know, you know, you and I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I thought it was a bit it was at least,
you know, it would raise eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm not sure it was necessarily you know, full panic mode.
But when your when you're franchise player, talks about I
got a lot of things going on off, you know,
in my life, and huh, you also getting paid forty
million dollars a year to play football and that you
got to find a way to put your life stuff
(25:47):
on the back burner while the games are going on.
But there were some other quotes from some other principles
about the fine line between how long do you just
is everything focused on getting the quarterback to improve and
how much is trying to win football games. We'll take
(26:08):
a look at that. On the other side of the break,
it's Common Man Program here on the fan the while
(26:30):
that's throwing it back in style.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
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Speaker 3 (26:43):
A couple of thirteen fourteen past Common Man Program. I'm
common He's tenab. We were talking over the past few
weeks about, you know, there is that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Contingent to the fan base that said, this season is over,
we need to play McCarthy to see what we have
at quarterback. And then we talked about, well, that's easy
for a fan to say, but as an organization that's
built to win and built to win right now, and
make no mistake, they were coming off of fourteen and
three or thirteen and four season, whatever it was last year,
(27:16):
and when you refurbish the interior of the offensive line
and defensive line with veteran players and paying them a
lot of money. You're trying to win right now, and
the Vikings felt they could do that with a basically.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
A rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Again, he had a year to watch and study, but
let's face it, he had never played before. So whether
you want to call him a rookie or not, an
inexperienced quarterback at best. But I think the the the
organization felt with a really good b flow defense and
a solid running game and a good defensive line to
(27:52):
provide protection.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You don't need to have.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
There have been teams that can win games without having
a quarterback putting up Pro Bowl numbers. Can do that
as long as they don't make a lot of mistakes.
He continues to grow, play well, make some key throws.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
When he needs to.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
You can win that way, and that was I think
what the Viking's plan was. Hasn't worked that way obviously.
This is from Kramer's piece Akramer Guestling from Saturday. It
says the quarterbacks studiousness and command of concepts O'Connell has said,
means the Vikings don't worry about how much he can handle,
(28:27):
but his classroom time for exceeds his on field experience,
and as McCarthy leads an offense full of veterans who
returned from a fourteen win team, offensive coordinated with Wes
Phillips said this week, quote, it wouldn't be fair to
the other guys unquote if the Vikings simplify their game
plan to reflect the quarterback's youth, exactly what you and
I were talking about, where you can't just we've got
(28:51):
a game.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's not just one kid's career here. There are fifty
other two guys, fifty two.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Other players that have signed contracts that are laying it
on the line.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Guys are in the training room. It's Badwag, it really is.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Phillip says, I don't think we ever go into a
game saying, hey, this is about JJ's development in this game.
We're trying to set up the best plan for the
guys we have JJ included. But it wouldn't be fair
to anyone else on our football team to hold back
on anything that we felt we needed to.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Go win a football game.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So now you're not just hearing it from me, and
I played both sides of the ball. Back in forth
fifth and sixth grade, fierce bass rusion rocket. You brought
the run stoping defensive lineman, precise rout rsure in a
bass catching tight end. But now you're hearing it from
a member of the coaching staff, a highly regarded member
the coaching staff, saying, this isn't just about developing one
player with the training wheels on, because he's on training
(29:49):
wheels right now. And not only is he on training wheels,
but he has somebody holding the handlebars too. Do you
remember teaching your kids how to ride about? Yeah, exactly,
I did it with Deuce. I remember both do some
baby brother, Peter, You're you're right alongside of him, and
you're holding that handlebar and finally you just let it
go and let them go on their own and then
they fall, and then they fall one second later, one
(30:11):
second later. But and that's kind of what McCarthy's been
doing here for the most part. That always had his moments.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
He's gotten down the block and back.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
A couple of times in that first Bears game and
then again then the second Bears game in that very
final possession, and he's had his other moments as well.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
But folks, it's just I and as a fan, I.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Know you you feel you have patience.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I've been through this before. I'm gonna be around next.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
If you're if you're a fan of the Vikings, and
let's say you're thirty years old and you're planning to
stay in minn Sodia love football, well you're probably gonna
be a fan for the next thirty forty fifty years.
So for you one year to develop a quarterback doesn't
mean anything in your grand scheme of fandom. But I'm
(30:54):
justin Jefferson, or I'm Blake cash Man, Harrison Smith, I'm
Harrison's I mean you came back or any one last
year or any of these got right, any of these players.
You're thinking, well, no, we we love of the kid,
but is this pro football?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Man?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You We we got to move this along.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We can't worry every week if your eyes are aligned
with your feet. So I think that's probably a part
of this as as well. It's you know, when you're
talking sports, it's it's it's complicated. Yes, we'll take a break,
come back another hour to go other side of the break.
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