October 16, 2025 • 46 mins
Common Man Hour 1 -- NFL Headlines -- Dane Moore joins the show -- Timberwolves -- Rob Dillingham
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The Common Man Program. This is the TENI Fitzgerald. I
think this is the first time Devon has appeared on
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Speaker 3 (02:49):
How you doing, Devon?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Pretty good? How are you the man good? Are you excited, nervous, worried?
And what is your emotions?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
All the emotions? Excited? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Have you already talked to others about what the heck
am I supposed to do on this show when I'm
with ten of Fitzgerald?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
A little bit? Okay, we'll figure it out. Okay, We're good.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
At least you seem to have a somewhat positive attitude,
which I'm appreciating.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We do have some lifeboats today. Dane Moore.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's been a while since I've had Dane on, but
we have a Timberwolves preseason action going on in regular
season starting soon, So Dane Moore of the DAYE Moore
podcast will join at twelve thirty.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Even though we.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Don't have common today, he will join us for one
segments because that will be NFL Spread Swing at one
thirty today, so Common Rosen will be here early, Deuce
will be on I guess they'll both be on the phone.
We will do NFL Spread Swing at one thirty and
then Mark Rosen will stick along for the next hour
in his normal Thursday two to three spot, and we'll
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talk all about sports, sports sports with him. Devin, I
don't even know you well enough because I haven't even
really worked personally with you other than teaching you how
to do a couple things on that side of the glass.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm assuming you're a Vikings fan.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, sir, okay, what are your thought? Well, I'll talk
for us you you can jump in here. But I
find this the game on Sunday to be an interesting
one versus the Eagles. We've all been focused on the
purple side of things, who's going to play quarterback, health
of the team, that kind of stuff. But you also
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have a Philadelphia team that not only is defending Big
Game champions, but they're coming in struggling a little bit.
They've lost to in a row, embarrassed by what we
thought was a below average New York Giants team, where
they lose by seventeen points last Thursday, night, and even
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before their two losses, when they were winning games and
you know, they were beating good teams like the Kansas
City Chiefs, it just didn't seem to be the same
Philadelphia Eagles team you had. Aj Brown it seems like
from day one has been annoyed, irked by the lack
of targets in that offense. He's kind of speaking out
without speaking out, that kind of thing being doing like
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the upset their offense has not been the same right
now that Eagles offense twenty eighth in the NFL and
yards per play, a team that has a Super Bowl
winning quarterback in Jalen Hurts. Saquon Barkley was the MVP
of the league last year, looked like the best player
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in football. AJ Brown has been considered a legit number
one wide receiver. It's like DeVante Smith, good number two receiver.
They've always had good offensive line play. Obviously, nobody can
stop the tush push and part of that is their
offensive line. And to see the struggles they've had offensively,
even though they won some games, has been a little
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bit weird. Like I said, they're twenty eighth in the
NFL and yards per play and they've now been held
to seventeen points in each of their last two games.
On the other side of that, they're going to be
going against a Vikings defense that right now is second
in the league in defensive EPA and have been holding
foes to just four point nine yards per play. Now,
you could say, hey, Bikes have on They've had an
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easy schedule up to this point, and I would say
that is accurate, especially on the defensive side, where you're
playing a Cleveland team that's awful offensively with a rookie quarterback.
You played Cincinnati without Joe Burrow the Bears offense in
Week one. Maybe they'll be good eventually, and they've been
better lately, but just you don't know what you're going
to get out of them. You know, Atlanta looked really
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good against US, but hasn't done a whole lot offensively.
I would say they've been fine offensive Buffalo game, Yeah,
So you know, I get like the the scheduling has
not been challenging for the Vikings, but I feel like
we are going to get everything from the Philadelphia Eagles
because they know this is a pivotal moment in their
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season where it's starting to derail a little bit, guys
starting to show their anger. They have a new offensive
coordinator that maybe players on the offense are not agreeing
with his scheme, and I feel like they are going
to go back to especially given the Vikings defensive woes
this year has been from a rush defense standpoint, I
think Philadelphia is going to lean heavily on Saquon Barkley
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and Jalen Hurdson try to simplify things, and like I said,
I think they have and they're starting to get healthy.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It looks a little bit for Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think they're gonna have extra motivation on Sunday and
it should be interested to see what the opponent's going
to have.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I think last year we saw the Eagles really be
explosive in the run game. Saquon was breaking six yard
runs every week by game and where's that been this year?
So part of me thinks that that's going to come
back at some point. I think the Eagles are fourth
worst in yards per carry this season in the whole NFL.
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It's pretty crazy, given yeah, what they have. Part of
that might be the offensive line. Part of that might
be Saquon getting a little bit older, but he's still
a one heck of a player.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You don't drop off that much in one year.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
I get like there's a drop off, But to go
from Mvpkon to now what you're seeing this year and
we're still relatively early in the season things. I think
this might have to do more with they had a
change in play caller.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
And now after the embarrassing Giants loss. It was also
on a Thursday night, so they've got more time to
prepare for this one than a typical.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Typical game.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I think they've taken a long, hard look at themselves
in the mirror offensively over the last week and a half,
and I think they're gonna see some tweaks now. On
the Viking side of this, we've we've focused so much
on the quarterback issue, and we will talk about that
as we move along in the show today. But good
news for the Vikings is they appear to be getting
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very healthy right offensively. That offensive line you might have
in this game four of your original five starters on
the offensive line, I feel like it's been a long
time since we've had that. And within that four of
the five, it appears as if maybe Christian dearrisaw won't
be on a pitch count anymore, and.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It was weird against Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It seemed like he was on a self imposed pitch count,
which is I'd love that. I would love to know
all the conversations going on between Derisa and the coaching
staff and the training staff this year. I'm guessing maybe
there's some disagreements or some miscommunication going on there.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But if Dearrisa is playing and he's playing every snap.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
He's elite offensive tackle in the National Football League. Donovan Jackson,
who after finding out he played in that game again,
was at the Atlanta or Cincinnati game, maybe of Cincinnati,
where he played knowing he was going to have to
have like wrist surgery the next day and was playing
with pain like a broken risty entire time. He's not
one of my favorite players, but looks like you're going
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to have him back at left guard. We've had Will Fries,
he's been the only mainstay all season long at right guard,
and it does appear as if maybe Brian O'Neil we'll
be back at right tackle. Combine that with very small
one game Sancelel sample size, but but Blake Randell appeared
to hold hold up pretty well at center, his first
time ever at center against Cleveland. We might be looking
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at basically like a full strength offensive line on Sunday,
and we virtually haven't had that all season. Well, you
haven't had it all long because they started at the beginning.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
No, I think, uh, for this week, it still might
look a little rocky, just because offense lines so much
of chemistry, should need those reps just to get uh
acclimated to playing with each other. And uh, I think
it'll look pretty good this week, but especially if Jahn
Carry is healthy for Philadelphia, he could wreck a game
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by himself.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It does sound like he's gonna play. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, the Viking are the Eagles definitely on if they're
healthy on that line, h they can get after the
quarterback a little bit now. It also appears we're getting
healthier on the defensive side of the ball. Blake Cashman,
cash in, cash out, cash in, cash out.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's hard to know.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
And I should say also Andrew van Ginkel has been
limited this week with that Nick injury. The Vikings have
been very bad against the rush this year, I mean,
quin Shawn and Judkins was a highlight for Cleveland. We
saw what Jean Robinson did. In that Atlanta game Pittsburgh,
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they had Kenneth Gainwell their second string running back, tear
us apart.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Rush defense has been an issue.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm curious as to.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Whether something has changed, you know, you have two new
guys on the interior defensive line, or is this just
a health thing because cash Man has not been available
for those games. I'm starting to think Andrew Van Ginkell
is much more important to our rush defense than maybe
we even know. I feel like there's a big drop
off from him to Dallas Turner, just in ceiling the
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edge and from a rush defense standpoint. So I'm curious
if both of those two can return, if maybe all
of a sudden, we're better at now he potentially despite
the limitations of Saquon Barkley and then Eagles rush offense
so far this year, I have a feeling they are
going to go to it quite a bit. And like
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I said, I'm curious to see whether this has been
all just a lacking the void of Cashman and bang
Inkle and maybe a part of that rush defense will
be fixed on Sunday and if so, all of a sudden,
I know, people, when we've been talking quarterback situation basically
giving up on the season already. But if you can
improve that rush defense, if it happens to be those
two guys back in the line, it makes that a
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lot better and your offensive line is healthy. I'm not
ready to rule out this Vikings team, and I think
I might actually pick them to win on Sunday. He's Devin,
I am tend to be We are actually gonna do
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Speaker 5 (13:12):
Now, all right, we're back Tennabe, Tenni Fitzgerald, Devin along
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with me, we will chat with Dane Moore to break
down Minnesota simmer Wolves and preview their season. That'll come
up in about thirteen fourteen minutes, but right now, please.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Enter the NZE for the touchdown time.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Now for.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Daily how old are you, Devin twenty three, twenty three. Okay, So.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Tonight two players that are much older than you are
going to be battling it out, and it's kind of
a relatively historic because it hasn't happened very often. That
would be the Pittsburgh Steelers led by Aaron Rodgers versus
Joe Flacco and the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, I said that.
Tonight they will become the second over forty duo ever
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to face off against one another in a National Football
League game. Flaco is forty years old, Aaron Rodgers is
forty one. The only other two that's ever done it
that would be Tom Brady and Drew Brees. They faced
off against each other three times during the twenty twenty season,
obviously Brady with Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay at that time
in the same division as the New Orleans Saints. So
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they're calling it the maybe this is the kids term
maybe for this battle of the unks. You guys say
that word, I don't, Okay, Well that's what they say.
A battle of the younks is short for uncles. Tonight
it'll be Rogers versus Flacco. And speaking of Rogers, he
can pass a record tonight literally passing. He needs one
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hundred and sixteen passing yards to pass Ben Roethlisberger on
the all time quarterback list. So Roethlisberger retired with sixty
four eighty eight yards. Rogers currently has sixty three, nine
hundred and seventy three. So if he gets that one sixteen,
which you'd like to think he would, he will leap
frog Big Ben into fifth place on all time passing
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yardage list. The odds of a Rodge getting to number four, guess,
depends on how much longer he's willing to pay. I
kind of thought, now this is going to be his
last year. But he's played well. He looks like he's
having fun. As Commons talked about, he's laughing and smiling
and back at it again. He seems to be maybe
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a little bit of a different Aaron Rodgers than we've
seen him pass. So maybe maybe he's got a couple
of years left. He'll probably take another two years of
playing for him to pass the quarterback he once passed
at Green Bay. In the lineup, that would be Brett Farve.
He's at seventy eight and thirty eight. Rogers currently seven
eight hundred and ninety five yards behind Brett Farvre the
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all time record. By the way, that would be Tom
Brady eighty two hundred and fourteen. He's nearly nine thousand
yards more than Drew Brees at number two obligatory daily.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Loss.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We'll talk about the Eagles side.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
You mentioned Jalen Carter last break defensive tackle for the
Philadelphia Eagles. He wasn't on the field against the Giants
last Thursday, but he does plan to be a part
of their bid to avoid a third series loss against
the Vikings this weekend. Carter has been dealing with a
heel injury. He was able to practice fully yesterday's hold
reporters that he has set to play in Week seven.
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Some other Eagles injury notes. They also got an encouraging
update on cornerback Quinon Mitchell his chances about his chances
playing against the Vikings on Sunday. He suffered a hamstring
injury last Thursday and that lost the Giants, but he
was able to practice yesterday as a limited participant. Left
guard Landon Dickerson with that ankle injury, he's also in
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the limited category. He also did not play against the Giants,
but at least his limited session is a step in
the right direction.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Really.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Tight End Grant Calcaterra with an oblique was the only
Eagles player that misspracticed yesterday, So linebacker Zach Bond with
that finger I mentioned Carter, defensive tackle Jordan Davis with
the shoulder injury, all listed as full participants for your
Philadelphia Eagles. So while the Vikings are getting healthy, it
appears as if the Eagles are loading up and getting
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ready as.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Well pligatory daily.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's the year of the field goal, Devin, and you
are young, you probably don't remember a day when teams
used to stress out about kicking fifty yard field goals
in the National Football League. When I was growing up,
it's like, oh, we got to get inside fifty yards
because it's it's a crapshoot from out there. Maybe you
can get to fifty two to fifty three yards. Well,
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now it's basically like a chip shot for these kickers
NFL kickers this season on field goals, if fifty yards
are longer, they are seventy seven for one oh eight.
That is seventy one point three percent of all field
goal attempts from fifty yards and beyond a fifty yard
or longer field goal happens about twice as frequently per
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game as it did ten years ago. This year, there's
been about zero point four field goals of fifty yards
or longer per team per game. In twenty fifteen, it
was about zero point two. Twenty years ago, fifty yeard
field goals were so rare that there were only forty
eight of them all season, or less than zero point
one per team per game. And even like a sixty
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yard field goal. Growing up, Devin teams in not attempt
six yard field goals unless it was You would probably
take a hail mary chance at the end of a game,
even if you're down a point or two, then try
to attempt a six yard field goal.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
That's how rare it was. This year, NFL.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Kickers four for eight from beyond sixty through six weeks.
And I didn't even know this until you know. Leo
my son, he's ten years old. He has one of
those like Apple watches now and he for some reason
he looked up. He goes, hey, Dad, the longest kick
in high school football history is sixty eight yards. We
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had a high school fotball game last night the NFL.
It's only sixty six. So there's been a longer kick
at high school than there has been in the National
Football League. And I'm actually surprised in the last year
or two that that that record I think is justin
Tucker for Baltimore, that that record is still standing because.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You have Riker.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
If you watch him, if he has to kick like
a fifty five yarder, they're always clear by ten twelve yards.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They didn't the Jaguars kicker kick a seventy yard or
during the preseason I think I saw it.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Was it a preseason Yeah, I think you are correct,
or even it was the It was at the Cincinnati
Packers game McPherson for Cincinnati. He attempted one from what
I believe would have been an NFL record or near
NFL record, and Laflorid did the old I'm going to
call a time out and I'm a second four. He
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still got the kickoff, and it was it hit the
it hit the crossbar.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And went in. When he attempted the next one, he.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Clearly got it, you know a little bit under it
to the right a little bit and it didn't make it.
But that record by Tucker is going to be gone
in the next two three years, and I was also
thinking the amount of scoring in the National Football League
is going to be on the rise, and so far
this year it already is just because one kickers can
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kick from further out, so now you can get field
goals in areas that you couldn't get before. Two they're
now starting in a better field goal position based off
the new kickoff rules. You know, back in my day,
and I'm selling like an old boomer right now. Back
in my day, it was most drives on average, probably
started at the twenty yard line. Now they're all probably
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on average starting at the thirty yard line.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And then the defensive rules were way different. You could
hit someone super hard.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Well I don't know if that helped for offensive purposes.
Well yeah, but that but yeah, this year, right now,
the average scoring per team is twenty three point one points.
That is the highest we've seen since twenty twenty, where
it was twenty four point eight. But before twenty eighteen
you did not see too many seasons below twenty three
point one points. Even just two years ago we were
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at twenty one point eight points per game, and the
field goals made I was looking right now one point
seven to six per team. That it has never been
higher than that. We are seeing more field goals made
than we've ever had, at least through six weeks this season,
field goals attempted two point one zero. That is also
the highest I've seen going back to I'm looking at
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it right now nineteen seventy three. We're at two point
three seven field goals attempted, but they did not execute
as well back then. All right, that's it for obligatory
daily NFL headlines. We will chat with Dane Moore of
the Dane Moore Podcast talking Timberwolves basketball. Another preseason game
for them tonight against the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You hear that right here on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And well, preseason we'll preview Timberwolves basketball Daine more next. Yeah,
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we're just six days away from the Timberwolves regular season beginning.
They have two more preseason games ago, including tonight in
Chicago at the United Center. So we got to preview
the Minnesota Timberwolves season. We're talking with Dane Moore from
the Danemore Podcast. How you doing, Dane, What are you
right good?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I am about a mile away from the United Center.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Okay, so you're going to the game tonight.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I am.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Do you go to all the preseason games? You take
all the road trips for him?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Now this one's at my brother lives here too, Oka.
Kind of a combination of mostly hanging out here for
the week, but also yes, I'll be at the game tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Are you ready for the grind to start?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
I think so. I mean, it was a pretty it
was pretty dull summer. Yeah, in that the Wolves.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Just didn't do that much.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So I'm feeling rested. I think they're feeling rested, and
I think we're all ready to go. Yeah, it's not
that I'm like playing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
What do you what do you know? I'll be honest.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
NBA preseason games, I don't know if I've ever seen
one before. I've clearly watched NFL preseason games. I clearly
watched Minnesota Wild preseason games. Minnesot Twins not so much.
I've never even been down to Florida for that, But
I've never seen a Wolves or an NBA preseason game.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Like, I like, how how much does a NBA preseason
game resemble a regular season game?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Is a completely different?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Are there little things you're looking for when trying to
analyze what do you what are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Well, so you're saying you didn't watch the Wolves preseason
game against the Long Lions.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I did miss that one.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Sorry, you weren't locked into that sixteen point. No, there is,
there's nothing to take from them, Okay, I would. I
would say if you take anything from a game like that,
it's probably gonna bite. Yet, I will say, though tonight,
I've heard all the guys are like going to be
playing and it's kind of gonna be like a dress
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rehearsal for the regular season, which I do think is interesting.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
You know, to see the main groups of guys playing
together and seeing stylistically if there if there are changes.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
But I think the main thing a lot of us
are look with this team is who's who is playing?
You know, last year they basically played eight guys every
single game, and one of those eight guys is gone
in Nikhil Alexander Walker.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
And maybe he's the eighth guy.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And so he's thinking that doesn't sound that important, But
Nikhil Alexander Walker was a really important piece of last
season's team and they need to replace that. And it's
an interesting question. I think it's a kind of defining
question of who they decided to replace him with is
Rob Dillingham. How much is Rob Dillingham part of the
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Nikkiel replacement because he's the eighth overall pick a season ago,
this very valuable asset to this team, but he didn't
really play last season, so we don't really know. Is
at twenty years old, is he ready to contribute now?
And there's an opportunity there for him, so tonight you
know when he's He's played all pre seasons. But I'm
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interested to see him play along inside Anthony Edwards, Ay,
Rudy Gobert and Julius Randall and at all of those
guys because I think he is a big swing factor
for this team. And really all the guys who could
kind of replace Nikhiel, could you know, got this team
down below our expectations or help them sort of ascend
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beyond being the team they were last year.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I wanted to ask you about three of the young
guys that could contribute. So let's go back to Dillingham specifically. First,
from what you saw in summer league action and whatever
you've seen in preseason, I don't know how much you
can garner from it what you've seen from preseason but
what have you seen from Dillingham in those moments and
do you believe he can take on a consistent role
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in this roster.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I've always seen in Dillingham a guy who believes he
is ready to go. I think last season was difficult
for him. He never not he never not played before.
It's extremely confident in his skill set, and he had
every reason to be. You know, he's a superstar high
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school talent that goes to Kentucky and is a is
a star, and then all of a sudden he gets
on to this team and it's got to be at
nineteen years old, this weird sort of confliction of well,
I think I'm awesome and I'm not playing, you know,
And I don't know how I would respond to that
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sort of mental game at at nineteen years old. And
I think he talked to us about he had to
navigate him. That was hard, and I think he goes
angry at times with that. But I think that can
be true, and he's also taking it very seriously. I
don't think they've lost him or anything with that. When
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I watched him on the floor, I watch him being
intentional about doing the things that they are telling him
to do and and what more can he ask, you
know than that. That's no guarantee that he's going to
be great or anything like that. But you know how
it's been man with the Wolves. There's been guys you
see him out on the floor and you're like this guy,
you know back in the past, like this guy doesn't want.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
To be here.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
He's picking up a paycheck, he's disgruntled, he's whatever. I
haven't I haven't got that sense from Rob, you know,
on the floor. I think he understands the assignment. The
question is, at twenty years old and one hundred and
sixty five pounds, can that player be a positive impact
player in the NBA right now? That's that's hard and
I don't have an answer to you for that. We
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need to see that he needs to play for us
to be able to learn if he's ready to do
that right now?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
All right?
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Young player number two, though I don't know if I
can call him young because he is twenty five years old.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He came in as a very old rookie last year.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
But Terrence Channon Junior, you know, at least in the playoffs,
he had limited minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
But I thought some of the minutes he had.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
He looked great, he flashed, he seemed fearless, he seemed aggressive.
Where do you see Saron Shannon Junior fitting into this team?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think he is ready and part of that is
just the age factor. I mean, he's crazy, they were
he's the same draft class as Rob. Yeah, he's literally
five years older than him, you know, so he should
be right, Like he should be more ready to go
and play this season. And you talk about the playoffs.
You turn on a game anytime you look at that
dude and you're like, yeah, NBA player. You know, he's
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a big, big boy, He's strong, he is forceful, he
is all of those things. I think Terrence Shannon Jr.
Is ready to go. And you know, just from talking
to people around the team that's been you know, going
back like six months, is like, yo, parents is about
to He's about to show out this season, you know,
like he and again, you know you can get some
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of that fluff here and there, but it has been
a strong drum beat of like this guy is is
ready to go, and he's of the age that he'd
be ready to go. Physically, he's ready to go, and
I think his understand of his role is ready to go.
He's not trying to be more than a role player
right now. I think he's mature as he should be,
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but I think he is he is mentally mature as
well for a second year player.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
All right, Another young player I want to talk about
that would be their first round pick this year in
Joan Baronjay.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Sorry if I'm mispronouncing that one.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
You know, when he was drafted, the narrative on him
was this guy's new to basketball athletic specimen, but like
he's a project. It's going to take a while for
him maybe to catch up to speed. And then summer
league he just explodes onto the scene basically first minute
or two of the game, just becoming.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
A block machine.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I heard audio from Jim Peterson on a podcast recently
about how impressed he was with Baron Jay and how
he thinks he should be in the rotation immediately, because
I just find it interesting because when he was drafted,
Com and I were talking about, well, do you just
put this guy in the G league and try to
develop them or do you stick him on the roster
where he might just rod on the bench, Like what
do you do with him? And now it's it's almost
like the narrative has changed a little bit on hey
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maybe this guy can play right away. What have you
seen from him from summer league, from preseason? And do
you think he can find a spot in this rotation?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, I'll move through those things. I think the first
thing to focus on is the age is eighteen years
old right now, and the physical ability that he has.
I mean, at six eleven seven feet tall, the way
this kid moves, man is crazy.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
It's like grew up.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Playing soccer and you can tell, but it translates to
a basketball court. There are not many players in the
NBA who are that size who can move like him
straight line, laterally, vertically, all of those sort of things
like that. That's there. The you know, the question is
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like how how quickly is he going to adapt to
the NBA game. A year ago he's in the like
B League of the Slovenia League. You know, he's out
of nowhere sort of guy. So we don't have tape
of him against certainly not against NBA caliber players really
outside of a couple of flashes in summer league. So
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you know, what is that going to look like? I
don't know, but what Finch is said repeatedly is the
kid is fearless and he has no bad NBA habits.
And that really stood out to me when I asked
him about that, the no bad NBA habits, because what
Fitch continued to say is with no bad NBA habits,
now we can mold him into exactly what we want
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him to be. So that's exciting, right. I do think
the molding is going to take a little bit of
time because he's eighteen years old. I don't think the
rotation needs him right now. You know, I would say
he's probably eleventh if you were to kind of power
rank the guys. And like I said, last year, they
played eight guys a night, so he definitely on the
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outside looking in the way I've been saying it. Remember,
like Luca Garza played a little bit when like a
big guy was hurt last year. I think that's probably
the Baron Jay role as they enter the season. But
who knows.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Every so often, some of these guys they're just ready
to go right away and they are incredible right away.
Maybe maybe they found something, and you know, Tim Conley
does have a history of being the type of guy
who finds something, So we'll see. But I'm not picturing
Baron Jay having a role in the first week of
the season or anything like it would surprise me just
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because I don't really see where the minutes would come from.
But I think people would be correct to be excited
about this kid just from what we've seen and kind
of how he's mentally wired.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
What is your philosophy then, with a young prospect like
that is, are you a hey, go down to the
G League and play as many minutes as you can,
or are you okay having him sit on your bench?
But he's learning how to be a pro, he's learning
from NBA type coaching.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
What's your philosophy on that?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, I do think there's a lot of value in
being up with the team, And I think that's a
little conterintuitive or people, you know, get go, get your
opportunities in the G League. Go play, go play, go play.
And I think it depends on the type of player.
You know, maybe somebody like Rob Dillingham ball in his hands,
score like, it's just good to sort of go down
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to the G League and get an opportunity to remind
yourself that you can do all those things in a
real game context. Baron Jay is just going to be
a seven foot sort of role player for a while.
I don't even know what that would look like in
the G League, Like all right, just a bunch of
like rebounds and screening and choplie. Do you know what
I'm standing. There's like a little bit of a difference
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there than a ball in his hand. Guy, I think
there will be a lot of value and having Baron
Jay up with the team, living NBA practice day after day,
learning from Rudy Gobert, Chris Finch, Julius rand All, the
bets on this team. I think that will expedite his
development more than playing in the G League will. And
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he'll do it. He'll get a little bit of it.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
You can mix that in some too.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
But they said they view him up on the team
this season, and I think he has, if not a
real role, like to play right away. I think if
Rudy Gobert, Julius Randall or Nasri got hurt, you know,
the first game, they might play Baron jury in the
second game because they believe in him some so it
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makes sense to the team to.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Have him up there too.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I think he could. I think he could provide them
real value if he needs to be be called on,
but yeah, he was the team.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
That's what I think we're talking with.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Dane Moore from the Dane Moore Podcast covers the Timberwls
unlike anyone else, Dane, I think I've probably asked you
this question like three years in a row on the
ten of Fitzgerald. But well, we'll go back to it
again because Anthony Edwards is still just twenty four years old.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
What's the next step in his progression? Is that?
Speaker 5 (35:59):
You know, last year he added the three point shot
to his arsenal, and then you get in the playoffs
and you watch SGA hitting all the mid range shots
and drawing, drawing free throws. So some people are saying, hey,
maybe that's the next step, right, get and finding that
midrange game. Is it more stuff on the defensive end
of the play. Is it still trying to incorporate himself
with the teammates? Hut, what do you think is the
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next step in the evolution of ant.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I don't remember specifically, but I'm sure my answer when
we've done this previous years was mental development, better, a
better understanding of the game, and you know, and how
to how to operate against the double team against this
coverage how to operate when guarding the guy with the ball,
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how to operate with the when off ball, and those
sort of things. He needs to be more consistent defensively.
That would be a practical step forward. But I still
think it's the mental development of the game for him.
But we have seen that, to be fair to him,
that I've seen the mental development. The next stage of
I think mental development in basketball IQ is manipulation, and
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more so than just making the right play, manipulating the
defense to make an even better play and not just
waiting for the double team for it to come. But
how can I go collapse the defense to draw a
double team? So I have to set up my teammates.
And if he gets that, if he gets to, you know,
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like Luka Doncic does, is a ten out of ten
in that manipulation of the game. If Ant progresses in
that sort of way with the physical ability that he
has as an athlete that Luca doesn't, that's how you
start talking about Ant ascending beyond even that level of player, right,
And that's how he really becomes in the In the
(37:52):
MVP conversation, Luka Doncic, Shaikil, just Alexander and Nicola Jokic
are elite players, they're also elite things and manipulators of
the game, and an ant is moving in that direction.
But I think that's where the like explosion comes with Aunt,
and all of a sudden we're like, Okay, maybe this
is Jordan like MVP caliber. Dude is manipulating the game
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in the way that.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Those guys do.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I don't know that is that a reasonable expectation to
put on him, even at twenty four? I don't know,
but that's the that's the breaking through the glass ceiling
sort of progression that I potentially see for Aunt. And
and if that happens, man like look out.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
We've seen the GM Tim Connley already not be afraid
to make big, bold moves.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
We know the the.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Rudy Gobert trade and then trading Karl Anthony Towns and
bringing in Julius Randall and Dante DiVincenzo. I saw a
column from Jim Suhan and the Starship being just the
other day of of mentioning a Jannis Anti Tacumpo's name
and basically saying, hey, finally has been not been afraid
to take the big swing before.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Maybe he still could do it again.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Do you think, not necessarily h Yannis, but a player
of that ill Do you still think the Wolves could
be in the big game market when it comes to that,
or is it, Hey, this is the roster we have
and let's let's try to build some chemistry with it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Well, I just from like a practical standpoint, going real
big game hunting, right, you need to you need to
be able to trade a lot of assets draft picks. Right.
The Wolves don't have draft picks that they could trade
for Yannis or even players beneath Giannis's caliber. Right, they
don't have the picks to trade because those are all
(39:42):
those are gone. In the Go Bear trade. They traded
a future unprotected person round pick for Rock Dillingham. Like
they are draft picked poor. So that to me kind
of halts a lot of that conversation. For the really
high name, high level guys. But the when those things,
I mean, any any guy, even a free agent, decently
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big name that's come up, the Wolves of registered interest
in all of them, and they are constantly looking for
that because this is a win now team. This team's
number one goal is not player development, it is winning now.
They just happen to have some guys that are developing
in Dillingham, Edwards, McDaniels, Reid and all that. I would also,
So if they don't have the picks, then right, any
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sort of trade is going to be trading a major
blue hit prospect on the team. So I mean, any
good player that the Wolves are trading for probably requires
Jade McDaniels to be going out the door, Nazrie, you
know something like that. What impact does that have on
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an You know, those guys have been here with him
his whole career, they're his age range, those sort of things.
So I don't know, I could I could see a
future trade on the margins, kind of like the at
Randall trade right where it was like two similar caliber
players didn't really have to have draft picks in it.
I would. I could foresee a trade like that coming
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down the line.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
You know, this season, next season beyond.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
But we started talking about the Giannas. With these superstar
guys that become made available, the market price to acquire
them is just going to be out of the Wolves
price range, I think in all likelihoods. So yeah, I
would say more so Tweaks. But they will look they
will they will look down every single one of those
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paths to acquire them with the limited assets that they
have and the limited you know, financial flexibility that they have.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I'm curious what you see in Julius Randall for year
two because obviously he acquired right before the season and
seemed like it took him a little while to get
going from a chemistry standpoint. Then he was hurt in
the middle of the year. Once he came back, he exploded.
He was one of our best players the first few
rounds of the playoffs and then kind of went missing
an action and then OKC series year two of Julius Randall,
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what are your expectations.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I really see a pass to him that he could
be an All Star. I see it like maybe not likely,
but I think a lot of people would dismiss that
out of hand, you know, like ready to talk, right,
Julius Randall all star? If you look at his numbers
in the final twenty one he was. He missed January
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and he came back to the final twenty one games
of the of the regular season and the Wolves went
seventeen to four in that time, and Julius Randall averaged
eighteen points, seven rebounds, and five assists, shot forty percent
from three and.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
Sixty percent from two.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Those are elite numbers on elite efficiency, which is not
a staple of Julius Randall's entire career. To be fair, right,
he was not. He has not been an efficient player
the entirety of his career. But something happened in the
final twenty one games this season where he figured out
what his role was in the context of this timberwol roster,
with a lot of help from Chris Hinch who believed
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that that existed from Julius Randall. Then we move on
to the playoffs and you're right at the end of
the playoffs he was terrible against the Thunder, but you
know what happened in the first two rounds. He averaged
twenty four, six and six and again shot sixty percent
from two. So those are all star numbers. And I'm
not the West is loaded and all those sort of things.
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But I think we kind of do this thing with Julius.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
Randall where we're just kind of like, and I did
you know last year for sure, I struggled with the
experience and I was like, we're doing this in place
the Nasrid whatever, But it was it was pretty powerful.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
The end of the season last year and his ability
to not just score for himself efficiently, but get his
teammates involved. That really changed, man. And I feel like
we don't acknowledge we don't acknowledge that enough, and we
get so caught up in some of the bad shots
that he takes, you know, kind of his moodiness that
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he can wear on his sleeves too often, and we
miss sometimes that at the core, it might be a
type of player who's not really your cup of tea,
which I would say for me, that's not generally my
cup of tea type of player. But you look at
the production at the end of the day, and the
coach believes in it, and it's going to empower that.
I think. To believe in this Timberwolves team this season,
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you have to believe in Julius Randall Dane. I don't
know choose that ass as your pick, but I think
he's I think he's critical to this team.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
I've already I'm going across the border today to put
a betting slip on Julius Randall All Star Games. I
appreciate you making me some money this year.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
You think the odds with that, what do you think
the odds with that of that would.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Be um man. I don't know, if I don't know,
if I don't know, if NBA.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Futures odds are my expertise, you think it'd be like
you think it'd be twenty to one.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
That seems like a lot a lot of.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Good maybe, but that's kind of maybe ten.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
To one, Yeah, ten to one, twelve to one.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
A lot of guys in the sure, there's a lot
of guys in the West.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Yeah, I don't know his position breakdown well enough to
be able to go after, but his numbers should be
in the neighborhood if if he finished, if he plays
like he finished it last year.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
That's all I'm saying. That's That's about what I'm not
calling that Julius Randall will be an All Star. I
am reminding people that in the final twenty one games
of the regular season, in the first ten games of
the postseason, he was absolutely putting up all Star caliber
numbers on a team that was winning ninety percent of
their games. Like, we just got to remember that. In
this the whole Julius Randall conversation, right that ends up
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oftentimes skewing towards toxic or finding reasons not to like him.
There are things to like about him too, And to
be honest, that took me, at me a while to
sure kind of let it take in, but I think
we need to consider.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
That awesome good stuff.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
As always, Dane always loved chatting with you, and we'll
talk to you soon, yes, sir, all right. Dane Moore
of the Dane Moore pod Cast. He covers the Minnesota Timberwolves.
You gotta listen to his podcast if you are a
big Timberwolves fan. Devon on the other side of the break,
we'll do some five questions. I think Devon's first time
ever hosting five questions. We'll do that next on the
Fits
And when comes off to her his golf game, he
fills in the three. There can be one answer.
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
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that'd be bumping.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm knowing anywhere Dinah might dropping money. A broadcast school
is really paid off.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Big mistake, big mistake.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I know what you're doing right now, and I don't
like it. How do we just bash off a right
raft man? You are one pathetic loser.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I did not know that.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I wish you could just shut your big yet bird.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yes, no, common maan program for the next two days.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
He's on vacation.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I don't know how that works that it's a weekend.
His kids are not in school anymore. Somehow he's off.
I have children that are home, and I'm the one
here at work today. It doesn't make a whole lot
of sense to me. I'm actually paying money for childcare
to work today. I don't even know if I'm actually
in the black today, but I'm gonna do my best anyways.
(02:40):
This is tend to be Brandon Maleski, interim producer for
The Common Man Program. This is the TENI Fitzgerald. I
think this is the first time Devon has appeared on
the ten offits Cherald.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
How you doing, Devon?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Pretty good? How are you the man good? Are you excited, nervous, worried?
And what is your emotions?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
All the emotions? Excited? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Have you already talked to others about what the heck
am I supposed to do on this show when I'm
with ten of Fitzgerald?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
A little bit? Okay, we'll figure it out. Okay, We're good.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
At least you seem to have a somewhat positive attitude,
which I'm appreciating.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We do have some lifeboats today. Dane Moore.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's been a while since I've had Dane on, but
we have a Timberwolves preseason action going on in regular
season starting soon, So Dane Moore of the DAYE Moore
podcast will join at twelve thirty.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Even though we.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Don't have common today, he will join us for one
segments because that will be NFL Spread Swing at one
thirty today, so Common Rosen will be here early, Deuce
will be on I guess they'll both be on the phone.
We will do NFL Spread Swing at one thirty and
then Mark Rosen will stick along for the next hour
in his normal Thursday two to three spot, and we'll
(03:44):
talk all about sports, sports sports with him. Devin, I
don't even know you well enough because I haven't even
really worked personally with you other than teaching you how
to do a couple things on that side of the glass.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm assuming you're a Vikings fan.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, sir, okay, what are your thought? Well, I'll talk
for us you you can jump in here. But I
find this the game on Sunday to be an interesting
one versus the Eagles. We've all been focused on the
purple side of things, who's going to play quarterback, health
of the team, that kind of stuff. But you also
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have a Philadelphia team that not only is defending Big
Game champions, but they're coming in struggling a little bit.
They've lost to in a row, embarrassed by what we
thought was a below average New York Giants team, where
they lose by seventeen points last Thursday, night, and even
(04:37):
before their two losses, when they were winning games and
you know, they were beating good teams like the Kansas
City Chiefs, it just didn't seem to be the same
Philadelphia Eagles team you had. Aj Brown it seems like
from day one has been annoyed, irked by the lack
of targets in that offense. He's kind of speaking out
without speaking out, that kind of thing being doing like
(04:59):
the upset their offense has not been the same right
now that Eagles offense twenty eighth in the NFL and
yards per play, a team that has a Super Bowl
winning quarterback in Jalen Hurts. Saquon Barkley was the MVP
of the league last year, looked like the best player
(05:19):
in football. AJ Brown has been considered a legit number
one wide receiver. It's like DeVante Smith, good number two receiver.
They've always had good offensive line play. Obviously, nobody can
stop the tush push and part of that is their
offensive line. And to see the struggles they've had offensively,
even though they won some games, has been a little
(05:40):
bit weird. Like I said, they're twenty eighth in the
NFL and yards per play and they've now been held
to seventeen points in each of their last two games.
On the other side of that, they're going to be
going against a Vikings defense that right now is second
in the league in defensive EPA and have been holding
foes to just four point nine yards per play. Now,
you could say, hey, Bikes have on They've had an
(06:01):
easy schedule up to this point, and I would say
that is accurate, especially on the defensive side, where you're
playing a Cleveland team that's awful offensively with a rookie quarterback.
You played Cincinnati without Joe Burrow the Bears offense in
Week one. Maybe they'll be good eventually, and they've been
better lately, but just you don't know what you're going
to get out of them. You know, Atlanta looked really
(06:27):
good against US, but hasn't done a whole lot offensively.
I would say they've been fine offensive Buffalo game, Yeah,
So you know, I get like the the scheduling has
not been challenging for the Vikings, but I feel like
we are going to get everything from the Philadelphia Eagles
because they know this is a pivotal moment in their
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season where it's starting to derail a little bit, guys
starting to show their anger. They have a new offensive
coordinator that maybe players on the offense are not agreeing
with his scheme, and I feel like they are going
to go back to especially given the Vikings defensive woes
this year has been from a rush defense standpoint, I
think Philadelphia is going to lean heavily on Saquon Barkley
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and Jalen Hurdson try to simplify things, and like I said,
I think they have and they're starting to get healthy.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It looks a little bit for Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think they're gonna have extra motivation on Sunday and
it should be interested to see what the opponent's going
to have.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I think last year we saw the Eagles really be
explosive in the run game. Saquon was breaking six yard
runs every week by game and where's that been this year?
So part of me thinks that that's going to come
back at some point. I think the Eagles are fourth
worst in yards per carry this season in the whole NFL.
(07:44):
It's pretty crazy, given yeah, what they have. Part of
that might be the offensive line. Part of that might
be Saquon getting a little bit older, but he's still
a one heck of a player.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You don't drop off that much in one year.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
I get like there's a drop off, But to go
from Mvpkon to now what you're seeing this year and
we're still relatively early in the season things. I think
this might have to do more with they had a
change in play caller.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
And now after the embarrassing Giants loss. It was also
on a Thursday night, so they've got more time to
prepare for this one than a typical.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Typical game.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I think they've taken a long, hard look at themselves
in the mirror offensively over the last week and a half,
and I think they're gonna see some tweaks now. On
the Viking side of this, we've we've focused so much
on the quarterback issue, and we will talk about that
as we move along in the show today. But good
news for the Vikings is they appear to be getting
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very healthy right offensively. That offensive line you might have
in this game four of your original five starters on
the offensive line, I feel like it's been a long
time since we've had that. And within that four of
the five, it appears as if maybe Christian dearrisaw won't
be on a pitch count anymore, and.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It was weird against Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It seemed like he was on a self imposed pitch count,
which is I'd love that. I would love to know
all the conversations going on between Derisa and the coaching
staff and the training staff this year. I'm guessing maybe
there's some disagreements or some miscommunication going on there.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But if Dearrisa is playing and he's playing every snap.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
He's elite offensive tackle in the National Football League. Donovan Jackson,
who after finding out he played in that game again,
was at the Atlanta or Cincinnati game, maybe of Cincinnati,
where he played knowing he was going to have to
have like wrist surgery the next day and was playing
with pain like a broken risty entire time. He's not
one of my favorite players, but looks like you're going
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to have him back at left guard. We've had Will Fries,
he's been the only mainstay all season long at right guard,
and it does appear as if maybe Brian O'Neil we'll
be back at right tackle. Combine that with very small
one game Sancelel sample size, but but Blake Randell appeared
to hold hold up pretty well at center, his first
time ever at center against Cleveland. We might be looking
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at basically like a full strength offensive line on Sunday,
and we virtually haven't had that all season. Well, you
haven't had it all long because they started at the beginning.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
No, I think, uh, for this week, it still might
look a little rocky, just because offense lines so much
of chemistry, should need those reps just to get uh
acclimated to playing with each other. And uh, I think
it'll look pretty good this week, but especially if Jahn
Carry is healthy for Philadelphia, he could wreck a game
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by himself.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It does sound like he's gonna play. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, the Viking are the Eagles definitely on if they're
healthy on that line, h they can get after the
quarterback a little bit now. It also appears we're getting
healthier on the defensive side of the ball. Blake Cashman,
cash in, cash out, cash in, cash out.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's hard to know.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
And I should say also Andrew van Ginkel has been
limited this week with that Nick injury. The Vikings have
been very bad against the rush this year, I mean,
quin Shawn and Judkins was a highlight for Cleveland. We
saw what Jean Robinson did. In that Atlanta game Pittsburgh,
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they had Kenneth Gainwell their second string running back, tear
us apart.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Rush defense has been an issue.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm curious as to.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Whether something has changed, you know, you have two new
guys on the interior defensive line, or is this just
a health thing because cash Man has not been available
for those games. I'm starting to think Andrew Van Ginkell
is much more important to our rush defense than maybe
we even know. I feel like there's a big drop
off from him to Dallas Turner, just in ceiling the
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edge and from a rush defense standpoint. So I'm curious
if both of those two can return, if maybe all
of a sudden, we're better at now he potentially despite
the limitations of Saquon Barkley and then Eagles rush offense
so far this year, I have a feeling they are
going to go to it quite a bit. And like
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I said, I'm curious to see whether this has been
all just a lacking the void of Cashman and bang
Inkle and maybe a part of that rush defense will
be fixed on Sunday and if so, all of a sudden,
I know, people, when we've been talking quarterback situation basically
giving up on the season already. But if you can
improve that rush defense, if it happens to be those
two guys back in the line, it makes that a
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lot better and your offensive line is healthy. I'm not
ready to rule out this Vikings team, and I think
I might actually pick them to win on Sunday. He's Devin,
I am tend to be We are actually gonna do
obligatory daily NFL headlines on the other side of this break, Devin,
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Speaker 3 (12:56):
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Speaker 5 (13:12):
Now, all right, we're back Tennabe, Tenni Fitzgerald, Devin along
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with me, we will chat with Dane Moore to break
down Minnesota simmer Wolves and preview their season. That'll come
up in about thirteen fourteen minutes, but right now, please.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Enter the NZE for the touchdown time.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Now for.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Daily how old are you, Devin twenty three, twenty three. Okay, So.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Tonight two players that are much older than you are
going to be battling it out, and it's kind of
a relatively historic because it hasn't happened very often. That
would be the Pittsburgh Steelers led by Aaron Rodgers versus
Joe Flacco and the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, I said that.
Tonight they will become the second over forty duo ever
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to face off against one another in a National Football
League game. Flaco is forty years old, Aaron Rodgers is
forty one. The only other two that's ever done it
that would be Tom Brady and Drew Brees. They faced
off against each other three times during the twenty twenty season,
obviously Brady with Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay at that time
in the same division as the New Orleans Saints. So
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they're calling it the maybe this is the kids term
maybe for this battle of the unks. You guys say
that word, I don't, Okay, Well that's what they say.
A battle of the younks is short for uncles. Tonight
it'll be Rogers versus Flacco. And speaking of Rogers, he
can pass a record tonight literally passing. He needs one
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hundred and sixteen passing yards to pass Ben Roethlisberger on
the all time quarterback list. So Roethlisberger retired with sixty
four eighty eight yards. Rogers currently has sixty three, nine
hundred and seventy three. So if he gets that one sixteen,
which you'd like to think he would, he will leap
frog Big Ben into fifth place on all time passing
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yardage list. The odds of a Rodge getting to number four, guess,
depends on how much longer he's willing to pay. I
kind of thought, now this is going to be his
last year. But he's played well. He looks like he's
having fun. As Commons talked about, he's laughing and smiling
and back at it again. He seems to be maybe
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a little bit of a different Aaron Rodgers than we've
seen him pass. So maybe maybe he's got a couple
of years left. He'll probably take another two years of
playing for him to pass the quarterback he once passed
at Green Bay. In the lineup, that would be Brett Farve.
He's at seventy eight and thirty eight. Rogers currently seven
eight hundred and ninety five yards behind Brett Farvre the
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all time record. By the way, that would be Tom
Brady eighty two hundred and fourteen. He's nearly nine thousand
yards more than Drew Brees at number two obligatory daily.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Loss.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We'll talk about the Eagles side.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
You mentioned Jalen Carter last break defensive tackle for the
Philadelphia Eagles. He wasn't on the field against the Giants
last Thursday, but he does plan to be a part
of their bid to avoid a third series loss against
the Vikings this weekend. Carter has been dealing with a
heel injury. He was able to practice fully yesterday's hold
reporters that he has set to play in Week seven.
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Some other Eagles injury notes. They also got an encouraging
update on cornerback Quinon Mitchell his chances about his chances
playing against the Vikings on Sunday. He suffered a hamstring
injury last Thursday and that lost the Giants, but he
was able to practice yesterday as a limited participant. Left
guard Landon Dickerson with that ankle injury, he's also in
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the limited category. He also did not play against the Giants,
but at least his limited session is a step in
the right direction.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Really.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Tight End Grant Calcaterra with an oblique was the only
Eagles player that misspracticed yesterday, So linebacker Zach Bond with
that finger I mentioned Carter, defensive tackle Jordan Davis with
the shoulder injury, all listed as full participants for your
Philadelphia Eagles. So while the Vikings are getting healthy, it
appears as if the Eagles are loading up and getting
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ready as.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Well pligatory daily.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's the year of the field goal, Devin, and you
are young, you probably don't remember a day when teams
used to stress out about kicking fifty yard field goals
in the National Football League. When I was growing up,
it's like, oh, we got to get inside fifty yards
because it's it's a crapshoot from out there. Maybe you
can get to fifty two to fifty three yards. Well,
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now it's basically like a chip shot for these kickers
NFL kickers this season on field goals, if fifty yards
are longer, they are seventy seven for one oh eight.
That is seventy one point three percent of all field
goal attempts from fifty yards and beyond a fifty yard
or longer field goal happens about twice as frequently per
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game as it did ten years ago. This year, there's
been about zero point four field goals of fifty yards
or longer per team per game. In twenty fifteen, it
was about zero point two. Twenty years ago, fifty yeard
field goals were so rare that there were only forty
eight of them all season, or less than zero point
one per team per game. And even like a sixty
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yard field goal. Growing up, Devin teams in not attempt
six yard field goals unless it was You would probably
take a hail mary chance at the end of a game,
even if you're down a point or two, then try
to attempt a six yard field goal.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
That's how rare it was. This year, NFL.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Kickers four for eight from beyond sixty through six weeks.
And I didn't even know this until you know. Leo
my son, he's ten years old. He has one of
those like Apple watches now and he for some reason
he looked up. He goes, hey, Dad, the longest kick
in high school football history is sixty eight yards. We
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had a high school fotball game last night the NFL.
It's only sixty six. So there's been a longer kick
at high school than there has been in the National
Football League. And I'm actually surprised in the last year
or two that that that record I think is justin
Tucker for Baltimore, that that record is still standing because.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You have Riker.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
If you watch him, if he has to kick like
a fifty five yarder, they're always clear by ten twelve yards.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They didn't the Jaguars kicker kick a seventy yard or
during the preseason I think I saw it.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Was it a preseason Yeah, I think you are correct,
or even it was the It was at the Cincinnati
Packers game McPherson for Cincinnati. He attempted one from what
I believe would have been an NFL record or near
NFL record, and Laflorid did the old I'm going to
call a time out and I'm a second four. He
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still got the kickoff, and it was it hit the
it hit the crossbar.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And went in. When he attempted the next one, he.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Clearly got it, you know a little bit under it
to the right a little bit and it didn't make it.
But that record by Tucker is going to be gone
in the next two three years, and I was also
thinking the amount of scoring in the National Football League
is going to be on the rise, and so far
this year it already is just because one kickers can
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kick from further out, so now you can get field
goals in areas that you couldn't get before. Two they're
now starting in a better field goal position based off
the new kickoff rules. You know, back in my day,
and I'm selling like an old boomer right now. Back
in my day, it was most drives on average, probably
started at the twenty yard line. Now they're all probably
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on average starting at the thirty yard line.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And then the defensive rules were way different. You could
hit someone super hard.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Well I don't know if that helped for offensive purposes.
Well yeah, but that but yeah, this year, right now,
the average scoring per team is twenty three point one points.
That is the highest we've seen since twenty twenty, where
it was twenty four point eight. But before twenty eighteen
you did not see too many seasons below twenty three
point one points. Even just two years ago we were
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at twenty one point eight points per game, and the
field goals made I was looking right now one point
seven to six per team. That it has never been
higher than that. We are seeing more field goals made
than we've ever had, at least through six weeks this season,
field goals attempted two point one zero. That is also
the highest I've seen going back to I'm looking at
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it right now nineteen seventy three. We're at two point
three seven field goals attempted, but they did not execute
as well back then. All right, that's it for obligatory
daily NFL headlines. We will chat with Dane Moore of
the Dane Moore Podcast talking Timberwolves basketball. Another preseason game
for them tonight against the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You hear that right here on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And well, preseason we'll preview Timberwolves basketball Daine more next. Yeah,
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we're just six days away from the Timberwolves regular season beginning.
They have two more preseason games ago, including tonight in
Chicago at the United Center. So we got to preview
the Minnesota Timberwolves season. We're talking with Dane Moore from
the Danemore Podcast. How you doing, Dane, What are you
right good?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I am about a mile away from the United Center.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Okay, so you're going to the game tonight.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I am.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Do you go to all the preseason games? You take
all the road trips for him?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Now this one's at my brother lives here too, Oka.
Kind of a combination of mostly hanging out here for
the week, but also yes, I'll be at the game tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Are you ready for the grind to start?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
I think so. I mean, it was a pretty it
was pretty dull summer. Yeah, in that the Wolves.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Just didn't do that much.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So I'm feeling rested. I think they're feeling rested, and
I think we're all ready to go. Yeah, it's not
that I'm like playing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
What do you what do you know? I'll be honest.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
NBA preseason games, I don't know if I've ever seen
one before. I've clearly watched NFL preseason games. I clearly
watched Minnesota Wild preseason games. Minnesot Twins not so much.
I've never even been down to Florida for that, But
I've never seen a Wolves or an NBA preseason game.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Like, I like, how how much does a NBA preseason
game resemble a regular season game?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Is a completely different?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Are there little things you're looking for when trying to
analyze what do you what are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Well, so you're saying you didn't watch the Wolves preseason
game against the Long Lions.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I did miss that one.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Sorry, you weren't locked into that sixteen point. No, there is,
there's nothing to take from them, Okay, I would. I
would say if you take anything from a game like that,
it's probably gonna bite. Yet, I will say, though tonight,
I've heard all the guys are like going to be
playing and it's kind of gonna be like a dress
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rehearsal for the regular season, which I do think is interesting.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
You know, to see the main groups of guys playing
together and seeing stylistically if there if there are changes.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
But I think the main thing a lot of us
are look with this team is who's who is playing?
You know, last year they basically played eight guys every
single game, and one of those eight guys is gone
in Nikhil Alexander Walker.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
And maybe he's the eighth guy.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And so he's thinking that doesn't sound that important, But
Nikhil Alexander Walker was a really important piece of last
season's team and they need to replace that. And it's
an interesting question. I think it's a kind of defining
question of who they decided to replace him with is
Rob Dillingham. How much is Rob Dillingham part of the
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Nikkiel replacement because he's the eighth overall pick a season ago,
this very valuable asset to this team, but he didn't
really play last season, so we don't really know. Is
at twenty years old, is he ready to contribute now?
And there's an opportunity there for him, so tonight you
know when he's He's played all pre seasons. But I'm
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interested to see him play along inside Anthony Edwards, Ay,
Rudy Gobert and Julius Randall and at all of those
guys because I think he is a big swing factor
for this team. And really all the guys who could
kind of replace Nikhiel, could you know, got this team
down below our expectations or help them sort of ascend
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beyond being the team they were last year.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I wanted to ask you about three of the young
guys that could contribute. So let's go back to Dillingham specifically. First,
from what you saw in summer league action and whatever
you've seen in preseason, I don't know how much you
can garner from it what you've seen from preseason but
what have you seen from Dillingham in those moments and
do you believe he can take on a consistent role
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in this roster.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I've always seen in Dillingham a guy who believes he
is ready to go. I think last season was difficult
for him. He never not he never not played before.
It's extremely confident in his skill set, and he had
every reason to be. You know, he's a superstar high
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school talent that goes to Kentucky and is a is
a star, and then all of a sudden he gets
on to this team and it's got to be at
nineteen years old, this weird sort of confliction of well,
I think I'm awesome and I'm not playing, you know,
And I don't know how I would respond to that
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sort of mental game at at nineteen years old. And
I think he talked to us about he had to
navigate him. That was hard, and I think he goes
angry at times with that. But I think that can
be true, and he's also taking it very seriously. I
don't think they've lost him or anything with that. When
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I watched him on the floor, I watch him being
intentional about doing the things that they are telling him
to do and and what more can he ask, you
know than that. That's no guarantee that he's going to
be great or anything like that. But you know how
it's been man with the Wolves. There's been guys you
see him out on the floor and you're like this guy,
you know back in the past, like this guy doesn't want.
Speaker 8 (28:13):
To be here.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
He's picking up a paycheck, he's disgruntled, he's whatever. I
haven't I haven't got that sense from Rob, you know,
on the floor. I think he understands the assignment. The
question is, at twenty years old and one hundred and
sixty five pounds, can that player be a positive impact
player in the NBA right now? That's that's hard and
I don't have an answer to you for that. We
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need to see that he needs to play for us
to be able to learn if he's ready to do
that right now?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
All right?
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Young player number two, though I don't know if I
can call him young because he is twenty five years old.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He came in as a very old rookie last year.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
But Terrence Channon Junior, you know, at least in the playoffs,
he had limited minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
But I thought some of the minutes he had.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
He looked great, he flashed, he seemed fearless, he seemed aggressive.
Where do you see Saron Shannon Junior fitting into this team?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think he is ready and part of that is
just the age factor. I mean, he's crazy, they were
he's the same draft class as Rob. Yeah, he's literally
five years older than him, you know, so he should
be right, Like he should be more ready to go
and play this season. And you talk about the playoffs.
You turn on a game anytime you look at that
dude and you're like, yeah, NBA player. You know, he's
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a big, big boy, He's strong, he is forceful, he
is all of those things. I think Terrence Shannon Jr.
Is ready to go. And you know, just from talking
to people around the team that's been you know, going
back like six months, is like, yo, parents is about
to He's about to show out this season, you know,
like he and again, you know you can get some
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of that fluff here and there, but it has been
a strong drum beat of like this guy is is
ready to go, and he's of the age that he'd
be ready to go. Physically, he's ready to go, and
I think his understand of his role is ready to go.
He's not trying to be more than a role player
right now. I think he's mature as he should be,
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but I think he is he is mentally mature as
well for a second year player.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
All right, Another young player I want to talk about
that would be their first round pick this year in
Joan Baronjay.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Sorry if I'm mispronouncing that one.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
You know, when he was drafted, the narrative on him
was this guy's new to basketball athletic specimen, but like
he's a project. It's going to take a while for
him maybe to catch up to speed. And then summer
league he just explodes onto the scene basically first minute
or two of the game, just becoming.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
A block machine.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I heard audio from Jim Peterson on a podcast recently
about how impressed he was with Baron Jay and how
he thinks he should be in the rotation immediately, because
I just find it interesting because when he was drafted,
Com and I were talking about, well, do you just
put this guy in the G league and try to
develop them or do you stick him on the roster
where he might just rod on the bench, Like what
do you do with him? And now it's it's almost
like the narrative has changed a little bit on hey
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maybe this guy can play right away. What have you
seen from him from summer league, from preseason? And do
you think he can find a spot in this rotation?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, I'll move through those things. I think the first
thing to focus on is the age is eighteen years
old right now, and the physical ability that he has.
I mean, at six eleven seven feet tall, the way
this kid moves, man is crazy.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
It's like grew up.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Playing soccer and you can tell, but it translates to
a basketball court. There are not many players in the
NBA who are that size who can move like him
straight line, laterally, vertically, all of those sort of things
like that. That's there. The you know, the question is
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like how how quickly is he going to adapt to
the NBA game. A year ago he's in the like
B League of the Slovenia League. You know, he's out
of nowhere sort of guy. So we don't have tape
of him against certainly not against NBA caliber players really
outside of a couple of flashes in summer league. So
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you know, what is that going to look like? I
don't know, but what Finch is said repeatedly is the
kid is fearless and he has no bad NBA habits.
And that really stood out to me when I asked
him about that, the no bad NBA habits, because what
Fitch continued to say is with no bad NBA habits,
now we can mold him into exactly what we want
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him to be. So that's exciting, right. I do think
the molding is going to take a little bit of
time because he's eighteen years old. I don't think the
rotation needs him right now. You know, I would say
he's probably eleventh if you were to kind of power
rank the guys. And like I said, last year, they
played eight guys a night, so he definitely on the
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outside looking in the way I've been saying it. Remember,
like Luca Garza played a little bit when like a
big guy was hurt last year. I think that's probably
the Baron Jay role as they enter the season. But
who knows.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Every so often, some of these guys they're just ready
to go right away and they are incredible right away.
Maybe maybe they found something, and you know, Tim Conley
does have a history of being the type of guy
who finds something, So we'll see. But I'm not picturing
Baron Jay having a role in the first week of
the season or anything like it would surprise me just
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because I don't really see where the minutes would come from.
But I think people would be correct to be excited
about this kid just from what we've seen and kind
of how he's mentally wired.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
What is your philosophy then, with a young prospect like
that is, are you a hey, go down to the
G League and play as many minutes as you can,
or are you okay having him sit on your bench?
But he's learning how to be a pro, he's learning
from NBA type coaching.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
What's your philosophy on that?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, I do think there's a lot of value in
being up with the team, And I think that's a
little conterintuitive or people, you know, get go, get your
opportunities in the G League. Go play, go play, go play.
And I think it depends on the type of player.
You know, maybe somebody like Rob Dillingham ball in his hands,
score like, it's just good to sort of go down
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to the G League and get an opportunity to remind
yourself that you can do all those things in a
real game context. Baron Jay is just going to be
a seven foot sort of role player for a while.
I don't even know what that would look like in
the G League, Like all right, just a bunch of
like rebounds and screening and choplie. Do you know what
I'm standing. There's like a little bit of a difference
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there than a ball in his hand. Guy, I think
there will be a lot of value and having Baron
Jay up with the team, living NBA practice day after day,
learning from Rudy Gobert, Chris Finch, Julius rand All, the
bets on this team. I think that will expedite his
development more than playing in the G League will. And
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he'll do it. He'll get a little bit of it.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
You can mix that in some too.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
But they said they view him up on the team
this season, and I think he has, if not a
real role, like to play right away. I think if
Rudy Gobert, Julius Randall or Nasri got hurt, you know,
the first game, they might play Baron jury in the
second game because they believe in him some so it
(35:31):
makes sense to the team to.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Have him up there too.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I think he could. I think he could provide them
real value if he needs to be be called on,
but yeah, he was the team.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
That's what I think we're talking with.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Dane Moore from the Dane Moore Podcast covers the Timberwls
unlike anyone else, Dane, I think I've probably asked you
this question like three years in a row on the
ten of Fitzgerald. But well, we'll go back to it
again because Anthony Edwards is still just twenty four years old.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
What's the next step in his progression? Is that?
Speaker 5 (35:59):
You know, last year he added the three point shot
to his arsenal, and then you get in the playoffs
and you watch SGA hitting all the mid range shots
and drawing, drawing free throws. So some people are saying, hey,
maybe that's the next step, right, get and finding that
midrange game. Is it more stuff on the defensive end
of the play. Is it still trying to incorporate himself
with the teammates? Hut, what do you think is the
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next step in the evolution of ant.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I don't remember specifically, but I'm sure my answer when
we've done this previous years was mental development, better, a
better understanding of the game, and you know, and how
to how to operate against the double team against this
coverage how to operate when guarding the guy with the ball,
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how to operate with the when off ball, and those
sort of things. He needs to be more consistent defensively.
That would be a practical step forward. But I still
think it's the mental development of the game for him.
But we have seen that, to be fair to him,
that I've seen the mental development. The next stage of
I think mental development in basketball IQ is manipulation, and
(37:09):
more so than just making the right play, manipulating the
defense to make an even better play and not just
waiting for the double team for it to come. But
how can I go collapse the defense to draw a
double team? So I have to set up my teammates.
And if he gets that, if he gets to, you know,
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like Luka Doncic does, is a ten out of ten
in that manipulation of the game. If Ant progresses in
that sort of way with the physical ability that he
has as an athlete that Luca doesn't, that's how you
start talking about Ant ascending beyond even that level of player, right,
And that's how he really becomes in the In the
(37:52):
MVP conversation, Luka Doncic, Shaikil, just Alexander and Nicola Jokic
are elite players, they're also elite things and manipulators of
the game, and an ant is moving in that direction.
But I think that's where the like explosion comes with Aunt,
and all of a sudden we're like, Okay, maybe this
is Jordan like MVP caliber. Dude is manipulating the game
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in the way that.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Those guys do.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I don't know that is that a reasonable expectation to
put on him, even at twenty four? I don't know,
but that's the that's the breaking through the glass ceiling
sort of progression that I potentially see for Aunt. And
and if that happens, man like look out.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
We've seen the GM Tim Connley already not be afraid
to make big, bold moves.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
We know the the.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Rudy Gobert trade and then trading Karl Anthony Towns and
bringing in Julius Randall and Dante DiVincenzo. I saw a
column from Jim Suhan and the Starship being just the
other day of of mentioning a Jannis Anti Tacumpo's name
and basically saying, hey, finally has been not been afraid
to take the big swing before.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Maybe he still could do it again.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Do you think, not necessarily h Yannis, but a player
of that ill Do you still think the Wolves could
be in the big game market when it comes to that,
or is it, Hey, this is the roster we have
and let's let's try to build some chemistry with it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Well, I just from like a practical standpoint, going real
big game hunting, right, you need to you need to
be able to trade a lot of assets draft picks. Right.
The Wolves don't have draft picks that they could trade
for Yannis or even players beneath Giannis's caliber. Right, they
don't have the picks to trade because those are all
(39:42):
those are gone. In the Go Bear trade. They traded
a future unprotected person round pick for Rock Dillingham. Like
they are draft picked poor. So that to me kind
of halts a lot of that conversation. For the really
high name, high level guys. But the when those things,
I mean, any any guy, even a free agent, decently
(40:06):
big name that's come up, the Wolves of registered interest
in all of them, and they are constantly looking for
that because this is a win now team. This team's
number one goal is not player development, it is winning now.
They just happen to have some guys that are developing
in Dillingham, Edwards, McDaniels, Reid and all that. I would also,
So if they don't have the picks, then right, any
(40:27):
sort of trade is going to be trading a major
blue hit prospect on the team. So I mean, any
good player that the Wolves are trading for probably requires
Jade McDaniels to be going out the door, Nazrie, you
know something like that. What impact does that have on
(40:48):
an You know, those guys have been here with him
his whole career, they're his age range, those sort of things.
So I don't know, I could I could see a
future trade on the margins, kind of like the at
Randall trade right where it was like two similar caliber
players didn't really have to have draft picks in it.
I would. I could foresee a trade like that coming
(41:10):
down the line.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
You know, this season, next season beyond.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
But we started talking about the Giannas. With these superstar
guys that become made available, the market price to acquire
them is just going to be out of the Wolves
price range, I think in all likelihoods. So yeah, I
would say more so Tweaks. But they will look they
will they will look down every single one of those
(41:33):
paths to acquire them with the limited assets that they
have and the limited you know, financial flexibility that they have.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I'm curious what you see in Julius Randall for year
two because obviously he acquired right before the season and
seemed like it took him a little while to get
going from a chemistry standpoint. Then he was hurt in
the middle of the year. Once he came back, he exploded.
He was one of our best players the first few
rounds of the playoffs and then kind of went missing
an action and then OKC series year two of Julius Randall,
(42:02):
what are your expectations.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I really see a pass to him that he could
be an All Star. I see it like maybe not likely,
but I think a lot of people would dismiss that
out of hand, you know, like ready to talk, right,
Julius Randall all star? If you look at his numbers
in the final twenty one he was. He missed January
(42:26):
and he came back to the final twenty one games
of the of the regular season and the Wolves went
seventeen to four in that time, and Julius Randall averaged
eighteen points, seven rebounds, and five assists, shot forty percent
from three and.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
Sixty percent from two.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Those are elite numbers on elite efficiency, which is not
a staple of Julius Randall's entire career. To be fair, right,
he was not. He has not been an efficient player
the entirety of his career. But something happened in the
final twenty one games this season where he figured out
what his role was in the context of this timberwol roster,
with a lot of help from Chris Hinch who believed
(43:03):
that that existed from Julius Randall. Then we move on
to the playoffs and you're right at the end of
the playoffs he was terrible against the Thunder, but you
know what happened in the first two rounds. He averaged
twenty four, six and six and again shot sixty percent
from two. So those are all star numbers. And I'm
not the West is loaded and all those sort of things.
(43:24):
But I think we kind of do this thing with Julius.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
Randall where we're just kind of like, and I did
you know last year for sure, I struggled with the
experience and I was like, we're doing this in place
the Nasrid whatever, But it was it was pretty powerful.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
The end of the season last year and his ability
to not just score for himself efficiently, but get his
teammates involved. That really changed, man. And I feel like
we don't acknowledge we don't acknowledge that enough, and we
get so caught up in some of the bad shots
that he takes, you know, kind of his moodiness that
(44:01):
he can wear on his sleeves too often, and we
miss sometimes that at the core, it might be a
type of player who's not really your cup of tea,
which I would say for me, that's not generally my
cup of tea type of player. But you look at
the production at the end of the day, and the
coach believes in it, and it's going to empower that.
I think. To believe in this Timberwolves team this season,
(44:23):
you have to believe in Julius Randall Dane. I don't
know choose that ass as your pick, but I think
he's I think he's critical to this team.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
I've already I'm going across the border today to put
a betting slip on Julius Randall All Star Games. I
appreciate you making me some money this year.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
You think the odds with that, what do you think
the odds with that of that would.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Be um man. I don't know, if I don't know,
if I don't know, if NBA.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Futures odds are my expertise, you think it'd be like
you think it'd be twenty to one.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
That seems like a lot a lot of.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Good maybe, but that's kind of maybe ten.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
To one, Yeah, ten to one, twelve to one.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
A lot of guys in the sure, there's a lot
of guys in the West.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Yeah, I don't know his position breakdown well enough to
be able to go after, but his numbers should be
in the neighborhood if if he finished, if he plays
like he finished it last year.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
That's all I'm saying. That's That's about what I'm not
calling that Julius Randall will be an All Star. I
am reminding people that in the final twenty one games
of the regular season, in the first ten games of
the postseason, he was absolutely putting up all Star caliber
numbers on a team that was winning ninety percent of
their games. Like, we just got to remember that. In
this the whole Julius Randall conversation, right that ends up
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oftentimes skewing towards toxic or finding reasons not to like him.
There are things to like about him too, And to
be honest, that took me, at me a while to
sure kind of let it take in, but I think
we need to consider.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
That awesome good stuff.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
As always, Dane always loved chatting with you, and we'll
talk to you soon, yes, sir, all right. Dane Moore
of the Dane Moore pod Cast. He covers the Minnesota Timberwolves.
You gotta listen to his podcast if you are a
big Timberwolves fan. Devon on the other side of the break,
we'll do some five questions. I think Devon's first time
ever hosting five questions. We'll do that next on the
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