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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Thanksgiving, heavy Thanksgiving, you too, coach?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I called him coach. Maybe maybe I'm starting to get
them Ducky and Bunny and me because I've done this
bit before. I I I just if you're grown man,
you don't call a guye coach, you go hey, keV,
what's up right, m.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
You don't look at me and go hey talk show host?
Common do you?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
No? You know.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Now, if you're a really big time like you're a doctor,
a lawyer, or a bear.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Ol min, that's a whole other thing. Doctor killed there.
Those are like professions though, where you got to like
really work hard, like schooling. Yes, so like you kind
of earned the title.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well not just that, I mean you want to give
the doctor respect a special if he's like conducting a
heart transplant for you, you want to really like you
a doctor, I give you all the respects in the world.
By my heart is in your hands literally and figurative.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Will Yeah, same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
If you go to court your honor, for your honor,
if it pleases the court, you get down on your
hands and knees and.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Plead with please let me go.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
So anyway, So there's the head coach soon to be
a big game World champion.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Minnesota Vikings be interested tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I've not watched any Wolves basketball this year, just a
couple of bits and pieces in the very first game,
watched a couple of highlight packages of the meltdowns and
their last two losses. Tonight, I think, you know, day
before Thanksgiving, got the day off tomorrow, really not a
lot going on. So I think what I'll do is
I'll I'm going to watch Wolves versus the Oklahoma City Thunder.

(01:59):
Oklahoma City is their record seventeen and one or eighteen
in one?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I think it's seventeen. Yeah, why don you dial that up?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I mean that's one loss, and from what I understand,
they blew like a twenty point lead in that game.
Oh well, one blown game, seventeen wins. I guess you
know what, I guess I can let that. I can
let bygones be bygones and just let that one go.
I mean, everybody is allowed a lemon or a turn
up because you can't squeeze squeeze blood out of either.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
But in the Wolves, I don't know what to make
of the team.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I I know I give them a hard time, and
it's just because I just feel like.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
A lot of it's they bring it upon themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
With me, when you get the comments after losses that
other team just tried it hurt her. I know I've
done this thing so many times, but I'm we know
that all of their wins, I think come against losing teams.
All of their losses have come against winning teams. There
might be one game now in there that's the opposite
of that I don't recall, but for the most part,

(03:05):
they've beaten teams with losing records. They've lost to teams
of winning records, which is sounds like in Minnesota Golden
Gopher football team. I would hope we're past that here
with with with the Hometown five, you've been to the
Western Conference finals.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Two years in a row.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You know, the old bum Phillips thing got to the door,
knocked on the door, we're supposed to kick it in
this year. Chris Hine, who's a beat writer Fish Rep
Factory West Side for the Timberwolves, wrote a piece analysis

(03:48):
did the Wolves forget how to win close games? And
he takes a die into what's happened? We just talked
about these last two games. They had a eight point

(04:09):
lead with fifty seconds to go, against Phoenix and lost it.
They had a ten point lead with threeish minutes to
go against whomever it was Sack and lost lost that game,
he writes, last season, the Wolves are one of the
worst clutch teams in the league, with a twenty to
twenty six record in the twenty fifth ranked net rating
in those games defined by the league's games that were

(04:32):
within five points in the last five minutes. Now they
actually have the third best clutch time net rating. But
don't let that small sample size fool you anyone who
stayed up late to watch those two choke jobs.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
No, this is not a team ready for big moments.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Looking back at one of the most miraculous things about
last season's playoff or on was the Wolves actually played
well in key moments in their series against the Lakers
and Warriors. They pulled out a number of close games
games three and four against the Lakers, and the same
thing against Golden State, and probably their net rating clutch

(05:12):
time net rating this year. Like I said, no, with
the small sample size for you not is it all
only a small sample size, But that's probably happening against
those lesser teams.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
You know, we saw that. I used the example the
other day of we beat who is the team that won?
The Wizards.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
They were one and twelve coming into the game, and
the Wolves, I think, I think they ran out if
I'm not mistaken. I think it was like a twenty
seven point lead early in the game, and then I
think the Wizards cut it to five on a couple
of different occasions, and I think, and that's you know,
and I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
And it's not just the Wolves that do this. When
you are a let's call it as it is a vastly.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Superior team team than the other team on the other
side of the of the well, actually they're all on
the same side of the floor.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That weird.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
In basketball both teams are on the same side of
the or football they're on the opposite sides. Hockey they're
on the opposite sides, Baseball they're on the opposite sides.
Yet in in basketball they're both on the same side
of the court.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
These are the questions that keep me up ONNY But
I think a lot of teams that when when when
you go out of the court and you go, well,
they just don't match up with they don't. It doesn't
make the really bad team bad people it just makes
some bad players or a bad u a collection of

(06:33):
okay players bad, but the good players that just aren't
real good. So then you kind of you can kind
of It's like if you ever do this where if
you're a sibling and you have you're you're you're the
older brother, okay, or older sister, and then you're going
to play sports some some type of a sporting event

(06:55):
or activity against your younger brother. Maybe it's you the
older brother your friends and your younger brother and his friends.
You kind of play with one hand tied behind your
back for a lot of the game, right because you
just know, well, at any time, well, obviously we're bigger,
we're stronger, we're better, we can, we will, we'll win
this game at the very end. And so I think
that even happens in the NBA where the Wolves are

(07:17):
so they're not going to beat us, and so then
you can go ahead and your clutch time rating looks
good against a couple of those teams, your net clutch
to whatever they call that.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Those stats.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Again, there are so many sabermetrics and analytics that I
just kind of rolled my eye, shrug my shoulders, and
shake my head at because I just look at them
and go, I don't know about all that.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I just know are they winning games or losing games?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And so and right now the Wolves have a winning record,
but they haven't been so now tonight's the true It's
the ultimate test, right this is the best team in
the NBA. I don't think anybody would argue that. I
know that the Pistons only have two losses. A couple
of other teams with three or four losses, so I
know those teams are very highly regarded. And it's possible

(08:00):
at the end of the day, which the end of
the day will be in June, there will be another
NBA champion and there will not be a repeat by
by Okay, see, but right now, I just if you're
doing NBA Power rankings, I don't think I'm alone here.

(08:20):
You got the Oklahoma City Thunder is number one, So
I'm hoping that's enough to stir some interest in the
club where they if they when they play them, we
won't hear at the end of the game, and a loss.
If they do lose, they just tried harder than we did.
They wanted it more than we did. We came out flat,

(08:41):
We didn't put out the proper effort. Hopefully, if they lose,
it's like they gave it everything they have. They have
a great game. No shame to lose to OKAC on
the road. It is on the road, right, there's no
there's no.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Shame in that.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
But let's just give it to the old more than
a college trial. Let's give it to the all.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
NBA.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, if we give the NBA try, we're in trouble
saying they going at three quarter speed most of the time.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
So we better give it the old college try and play.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And you know what, there's there's no law, rule or
regulation that says you can't go ahead and beat Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
A great example of that is Oklahoma City's one loss
on the season. Do you happen to know who they're
one loss to? Is? You're not gonna tell Mester Washington Capitals?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
No, who is it?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Portland? Portland? And what's Portland's record? It's a great question.
I think they've been a little bit competitive. But we
had our way with Portland, I think, did we not? Yeah,
my memory serves me. I thought we did, and I
thought we had our way with them. So nonetheless, Portland

(09:54):
is eight and ten on the Yeah, so there you go.
So do you believe in miracles? Yes, I yes, I do.
Let's take a break. We'll come back when we do.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Brian Oak joins us for rock Talk here on the
Common Band program with Common Devon and by the way,
soon to be joined by Duce and Mark Rosen at
two o'clock or spreads Wing as well right here.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
On the fan.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
A couple thirteen fourteen PASTI I'm.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Common, He's Devon in for ten and b on this
thing up. We call it today Thanksgiving because.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Today you think about what you're thankful for.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Tomorrow Thanksgiving, you give thanks for what you're thankful for.
Then Friday is Thanksgiving, or you think about all the
things you think about that you thanked about Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So it's a three day holiday. Think thank Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
You like it that?

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Actually, I was wondering where it was going, And of
course you did once again, as so commonly happens here
in the Commonwealth.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
You did not disappoint.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Thanks I thought you. So I forgot all about Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving,
I forgot all that.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's good stuff.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, well, and other people like to call it Drinksgiving
because traditionally this is a day where all these people
come home for the holidays or this particular holiday, and they,
you know, if they go back to a small town
or whatever, they see a bunch of people they haven't
seen in a long time. So it's become tradition, whether
or not you even live in the town, to go
out and get absolutely blotto on the Wednesday night and

(11:33):
then therefore known as drinks giving, which never made sense
to me. You got four more days in front of
you do it on Friday, you know, like, why would
you want to enter this glorious day of feasting and
grace and thankfulness with a terrible hangover that's only going
to make matters worse.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's the voice of Brian Oak, who joins us for
Rock Talk here. And I'm told you have a podcast,
and I'm told there's been some very special moments on
some of the latest podcasts.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
I've been lucky, man. I bet we're going through a
street where we're having some genuine Minnesota or Upper Midwestern
legends on the podcast. Recently, Tina Schlesky of Tina and
the b Sides is on and she's a full hero
legendary broadcaster Tommy Miske was on just a couple of
weeks ago. Yesterday, Man Peter Jesperson was just on, the
guy whose name is synonymous with the Replacements and so

(12:25):
many other taste makings here in the Twin Cities and
now out in LA where he lives. We did a
zoom podcast with him and upgraded the text so they
sound much better now and just yesterday.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
This one might ring a bell with you.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
What comes to mind when I say the high Flyers
the red Baron Nope.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
No, no, no, Baron von Rosky.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, okay, he's you're in the right ball Baronson, No, no,
no no. The high Flyers were Greg Gania and Jumping
Jim Brunzelle. And I had Jumping Jim Brunzell on the
podcast yesterday. He was sitting in this art Start MN
studio in southeast Minneapolis on Chicago in forty eighth and
that was so delightful because I was never a big

(13:07):
pro wrestling guy, but obviously Minnesota and Texas were really
sort of the two strongholds in the seventies and eighties.
It was other places, but that was Bills were ground
zero and part of that original AWA. He was just big,
I mean you know, he was No, he wasn't one
of the flashiest characters. He wasn't a macho man. He
wasn't a you know, Bobby the Brady Heenan. You know,

(13:29):
he wasn't one of those guys. But he he had
great personality and he you know when at the peak
of his career, he was on the road twenty seven
days out of every month, out on the road for
for today, abusing his body. But yeah, no, eight to
ten concussions, dozens of surgeries, it was dozens, dozens, and

(13:49):
he was he was just super fun to talk to. So, yeah,
my podcast is available just called The Brian Oak Show,
and it is available wherever you get your podcast. Primarily, though,
we'd like to recommend people go through the world's number
one destination for podcasting, the iHeartRadio Network.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Not that I know that you do more than music
on your podcast, but I think it's basically driven by
music mostly.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, Runzell thing all come about.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
So his son, Jim Brunzell, the third is the director
at a great Minnesota film festival called Sound Unseen, and
they're more than just a one time festival. They're sort
of a collective and do things throughout the year, but
they have one of the most celebrated film festivals in
the country right here in the Upper Midwest, and he's
the director of that. I've gotten to know him over
the years. He's been on the podcast before, and I

(14:36):
bumped into him at that Who'scerdo event I went to
the other night at Grumpy's Northeast, and he's like, you know,
you who should have on the podcast as my dad
and I just had never occurred to me to reach
out to someone like that. So he brought his dad
in and we had a fantastic conversation because really the
podcast is largely about local music, but the overall focus
has always been the Upper Midwest and the things that

(14:57):
make this community in the fabric of this part of
the world what it is, mostly through the lens of music.
But we've had politicians, we've had entrepreneurs and now professional wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving, Yes, today is Thanksgiving. There was a
musical tie of course to Thanksgiving, and that would be
Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant. I don't know how many of
the youngsters listening, Devin, have you ever heard of Alice's Restaurant?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Before my guess as you have not doesn't ring a bell, unfortunately,
does not ring a bell. It is it's cultish.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Oh very Arlo Guthrie, the son of the legendary Woody
go Three, the Folks singer who basically inspired Bob Yalla
if you went and saw a place a place on
no No, What was the name of the movie, the
Dylan movie? Oh, something unknown, virtual unknown, something that be.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Rollan stone.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Anyway, the opening scene is he's visiting a complete unknown.
You don't know he's visiting are a Woody Guthrie and
telling what he know?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
You mean everything to.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Me, right, and we don't get enough Dylan duets these.
Oh well we're gonna bring him back. Okay, Yeah, we
figured out a way to do it.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I didn't realize I missed him, and I'm not sure
I do miss him. But were you do that right there?
It is like, you know, you do it better than
average Dylan.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
And I look better than Dylan, but that's only because
I'm well twenty years younger, thirteen, fourteen years younger.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Sure, Alice's restaurant. I remember my brother turning me on
to that, and it's if you don't know what you
have to listen. I mean, maybe you can even describe.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's a story that's set in a song, and it's
not really a song.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's a story.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
It runs like twenty minutes long. It's a fever dream,
it is. It is one of those rambling folk meets
rock meets storytelling moments that goes on. I've heard versions
that are half hour long. Because among people who care
about this, they care a lot, and for people who don't,
they don't even know what it is. It's a tradition
that this is a song that is played on Thanksgiving

(17:02):
because there are Thanksgiving references in the song, and so
it's this long, rambling sort of Dylanesque, sort of guthrie esque,
just this it is.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's a fever dream and it.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Took place on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And he gets arrested because he went to the dump
to dump some.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Trash, runing that thing and the thing and it goes.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
On and it done it so he's not allowed to
use a number, and see he gets arrested.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's just it's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
It's hilarious, but it's also it's once a year is
enough to hear that song, for sure, But I mean
even cities, you know, Cities ninety seven, back when it
was a true music head station.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
That was a tradition. We played that every year on.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Thanksgiving because that was just sort of what you do,
insider music stuff right there, you know, and for music
heads people who got if you know, you know, I
guess is the phrase? And you know is it my
favorite song?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
No?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Is it kind of a fun musical holiday tradition?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Absolutely? Absolutely, I agree.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I will listen to it because I always do on Thanksgiving.
It's eighteen minutes forty seconds song.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I've never made it through the whole song once. I've
listened to big chunks about I've never heard it wire
to wire, and maybe this will be the year in
honor of thank thank Thanksgiving that I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I think you should.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right, We'll take a break, we'll come back Greade another
half hour ago of rock talk here, then spread swing
do some studio along with Roseen. That's coming to way
at about two o'clock. It's rock Talk here on the
Fan A couple thirteen fourteen past. I'm common. He's Devin

(18:35):
Brian Oak here for a rock talk also aka the.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Grum Reaper, The Grum Reaper, which again I can't remember
who you said came up with that, But there is
wisdom in the world, and there are these beautiful, bright, shining,
sometimes laughable moments that make it worth getting out of
bed in the morning. And someone coming up, after years
of me doing this, coming up with the grum Reaper,
it warms my heart.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
And it's a time for the grum Reaper to get
to work. Headline from CBS News.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Reggae music icon Jimmy Cliff, who's unique tone, lyricism, and
break through a role on the silver screen helped make
the music of his native Jamaica part of popular culture
across the globe, has.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Died at the age of eighty one.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
His family sent in a statement shared Monday on social media.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't mean Cliff your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I don't think you can overstate if you're a reggae
fan or care about music and its evolution at all,
you can't overstate the position that Jimmy Cliff occupies in
that story.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Of course, the number one name everybody thinks.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Of when they think of Jamaican reggae, they think of
Bob Marley, and he really is the worldwide face of it.
Right The brand ambassador more than anyone, but he died young.
And granted, he's got this killer catalog that everyone knows
because any time you're going to anywhere, even vaguely tropical,
even if it's not in Jamaica. The last time I
was in Mexico, I couldn't go to a bar, or

(19:57):
a store or a restaurant without hearing Bob Marley on
there walking down the beach. He is and will forever
be the face of Jamaican reggae. But number two, and
only by a very short metric, is Jimmy Cliff. In
you could argue that Jimmy Cliff ended up building a
much larger legacy within Jamaica and within the culture of reggae,
just because he was around for so much longer, and

(20:18):
he crossed over in ways that Bob Marley never did,
including that major motion picture you're talking about. I would
say that Jimmy Cliff for people who are not familiar,
because his catalog is not as immediately familiar to everybody
as a Bob Marley, but it's worth going into He
is absolutely as influential and may have done just as much,
if not just a ween see bit more specifically to

(20:41):
bring reggae to America to American audiences with the harder
they come, that particular movie that we're talking about, and
his prolific catalog. He had had big hits and he
was a big deal. Now, like you said earlier, I'm
not a big reggae guy either. You know, I kind
of like it for the history of it and the
evolution of it, because you go back far enough in

(21:03):
Jamaican music history and you've got the ska right, and
then that sort of slowly evolves away from dancehall into
something called rock steady, which is ska, but it is
much more soul and an R and B influenced which
was being influenced by the music coming out of America
at the time, So it slows down a little bit,
it gets more of a soulful attitude and tunefulness to it,

(21:24):
and then ultimately that's supplanted by reggae as the predominant
form of Jamaican music, not only popular there at home,
but then going out to the world. And you know,
over in the UK, they loved two tone and the
two tone ska movement. They love ska, rock steady reggae,
and so that got incorporated into really popular bands like
The Clash, like the Police, so many others that felt

(21:45):
that influence there. And then there were a lot of
reggae artists that got new life for UK audiences in
the seventies, eighties and beyond. But Jimmy Cliff is as
important to figure behind Bob Marley's number two, there's no question,
as it is super important figure in the evolution of
Jamaican music.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
This paragraph, there's a paragraph here in the story that
says his animated on stage presence and high pitched tone
were unmistakable. Cliff released his last single, Human Touch, only
four years ago. According to the Associated Press, Cliff was
nominated for Grammy Awards seven times, won twice, taking Best
Reggae Album in nineteen eighty six with Cliffhanger and again

(22:24):
in twenty twelve with Rebirth.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
And I can't speak to the quality of either of
those records, you know, by twenty twelve, I think what
we're doing there is just recognizing a living legend because
he'd been a hit maker at home since the sixties.
He's been around a very long time. And I'm gonna
be honest, you know, it's sad when a legend passes,
But I honestly didn't know that he was still alive,
so it was kind of a surprise when you sent

(22:48):
me that text. And I did a little digging and
I listened to a little Jimmy Cliff, and again, reggae
is not really my thing. But if it is your thing,
and you only are Bob Marley or Gregory Isaac's, Jimmy
Cliff is an important place to start. It might be
also something else to think, thank thunk about over this
long holiday weekend.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Do you have anything else or should we move on
with our favorite part of.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Uh, certainly your favorite part. I don't really have anything
else specific other than that story right there. There's undoubtedly
something out there. But as you and I both age,
what I find is when I go to all the
popular music news websites, it's routinely artists that sometimes I've
heard of them, but more and more, And this just
happens when you get older.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's how the world works.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
I've literally never heard of them, and they're being talked
about in these glowing terms. I'm like I always felt
that's kind of a matter of personal pride. Even if
I don't like it, I want to know about it,
and I know that the world and the music world
in particular, are leaving me behind. But I'm kicking and
scratching every every bit of the way.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Oh yeah, rock rank, rock rank, rock rank, rock Rank,
Rock Rank, Rock Rank, Rock Rank, Rock Rank, rock rank rock.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I just love how much you love saying.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, Well, the best part is tend to be put
it together.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
And I think he had diego put it together or
something lost in the translation. So it didn't turn out
exactly how Tennabe wanted. But that's what makes it better
because it turned out exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
How I want it.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Just the importance of rock rank, rock rank, rock rank.
So you said, do we have a rock rank topic today?
I just said, well, Tennebe's out. We were texting. We
text and talk more than most people know we do.
So I know that you'd mentioned rock front women, you know,
not frontmen, but front women. You know, Jim Morrison would
be the frontman for the doors. I don't know if
we ever did that bit. If we did, I think
I probably was not really listening. I was just waiting

(24:37):
for my turn to talk eat lunch, lunch.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
But then I I did the Just for the record,
we did do that one.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
We did do it, I thought we did, we did,
and then but the other one I did is I
came in with best band names for rock and roll bands.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Right and this one, to me, there's no qualify. Can't
say well most clever with a Is it clever? Is
it funny? Is it stupid? I just went with my
five favorites, and I can tell you why. I don't
know the deep stories behind all of them, as I
think you do with yours.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
But I've got a pretty good list right here.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yes, well why don't we start? Are we doing? Like
five up to one?

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Always? Man, that's how southdowns work. You never give away
your best stuff right away.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Okay, why don't you go with your fifth?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
All right? My fifth would be.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Queens of the Stone Age, just because it's such a
confounding name and they happen to be the best band
on the planet right now. And the interviews with lead
singer josh Ami, he was like, well, we're trying to
come up with the name for the band because they
were doing kind of dirgy stoner rock out of the
American Southwest, the High Desert, Palm Desert, and they said
they were going to call themselves Kings of the Stone Age.

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But that was just way too masculine and crusty, and
they decided, despite the absence of any women in the band,
I don't want to get into a gender conversation, they
went with Jeans of the Stone Age, and I just
think it sticks out, but it also, over my twenty
plus year adoration of the band, comes to fit them perfectly.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
I like Queens of the Stone Age for number five.
How about you?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, I let me see my order, because I here
we go.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
This one would be Blood Sweat in Tears lead singer David.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'll take your word for it. Why can't I think
of his.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Name just legendary? Is unique?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
A voice is you'll ever find. I love the backstory
since I just love Blood Sweat and Tears. Here's what
it says. How they got the name. The band, Blood
Sweat and Tears got his name from an album cover
by Johnny Cash, not Winston Churchill's famous quote. Original member
Al Cooper came up with a name while on the

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phone with a promoter and saw the Blood Sweat and
Tears album cover and said, that's the name of our band.
And I just love Blood Sweat and Tears, course meat sauce,
and I have sort of and Lerrym Manellogri've sort of
co opted it because we have our comedy series that's
called Flop.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Sweat and Tears, and it's close to home. And I'm
sure that Johnny Cash probably did get it from Winston Churchill.
I mean, you know that's here's a pretty iconic speech. Yeah,
blood toil, tears and sweat speech. Okay, what it was
that blood toil, tiers and blood the band name blood toil,
Tears and sweat doesn't roll off the tongue.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Sweat.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
They chopped it down marketing.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
The people in marketing decided we needed to make this
more digestible.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yes they did, indeed.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Number four, Number four.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Number four for me is a band that I know
precious little about other than they are prolific. They put
out several albums every single year, and.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Now it's Clayton Thomas's the latest singer's name, David Clayton.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
And you're right, they know that's super iconic. No, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
This band is so prolific that I now they're twenty
plus albums into their relatively young career. I don't even
know where to start, because apparently they're different on every
album and I just it's so daunting to me. But
so I don't know anything about the band. However, as
a broadcaster, as you yourself are, we have a fondness

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for alliteration, for rhyme, for meter, that sort of thing.
And so coming in at number four for me is
the surprisingly popular despite their name band, King Gizzard and
the Lizard Wizard. And that's real, and they have so
many albums. They come through the record store all the
time and I don't I don't know where to start.
People will buy them. I'm like, is that a good one?

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They're like, that's great, and no, it doesn't matter what
album it is. But King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.
I don't know where it's from, but I love the rhyminess.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Number four for common, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do
one of their songs and tell me if you can
name it in a band hit me.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I feel it.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
In my fingers, I feel it in my toes and
loves all around us.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
No, well that's not it.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Oh, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, that's not it. In my fingers.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
I feel it in my toes, and love is all
around us, And so the feeling grows the Trogs, their
most famous song, of course, wild Thing exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Now here's the story behind the name, the Trogs. They
were originally called the Troglodytes, yeah, which of course are.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Cave dweller underground often Reptilian cave people.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
They shortened the name to the Trogs after two hitchhikers
they gave a ride to call them grotty trogs, meaning
gross troglodites, few grotty trogs.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
The name stuck with the band.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
And was later used by their record label to be
more commercially friendly. The trog the trocks, the grotty trog Yeah,
the grotty trogs, the troglodites. And I just love that story.
The trog Yeah, No, troz is a cool name, and
I did. But that's backstory that I was not familiar with,
and I like that very much. Number three, number three.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
This one is controversial, and the name was chosen specifically
because it was so controvers Nineteen eighties hardcore punk rock
was about cutting through the clutter. It was all noise,
so you had to be smart, you had to be agitator,
you had to have shock value. If you were going
to be a punk rocker, and you were going to
shape the system from its foundations with your mad music,

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you had to you had to have a strong lead.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
And fewer punk.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Bands, Although there are a wide variety to choose from,
fewer bands were better, more popular in the punk rock
and hardcore movements, or had a longer lasting impact than
that of Jello Biaffors led Dead Kennedy's. At the time,
the name was so impossibly shocking that there were portions
of the country that wouldn't even sell their records. It

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was considered so wildly offensive. And the thing about this band,
they ended up being one of my favorite bands of
the eighties, not just because they were shocking and I
was rebelling against the system.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
They were smart.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
They were good at evoking the emotions they were going
to and they were so fun live. They were dynamic
and frightening, but they were intelligent. None of it was
a blunt force object. They knew exactly what they were
doing by picking that name. It remains extremely controversial and
highly offensive to a lot of people, and therefore that
also helps it say one of my favorites. Dead Kennedy's

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at number three number three for common common comment.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Common I'm going to do another song and you tell
me the name of Okay, I'll try. And Harry doesn't
mind if he doesn't make the scene. He's got a
daytime job he's doing.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
All right, you're talking about one of my very favorite
bands of all time from the Impossibly Well. They came
out of the cocoon and completely formed, granted after years
of being in pubs. But that self titled debut then
followed which the song comes from that you're talking about,
followed by making movies is one of the strongest one
two punches of a band ever in music. That would
of course be England's Dire Straits.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yes, the band Dire Straits was named during the period
when the members were broke and financially struggling.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
In Dire Straits and fitting self deprecating description, it says
the band was formed in seventy seven many of the
members were in difficult financial situations. The name directly references
a struggle. It was a friend's suggestion. A flatmate, you know,
in other words, an apartment dweller, not a cave dweller,
an apartment well a flatmate of drum drug pick Withers

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coined the name while the band was rehearsing, and the
term dire straits itself originates from the nautical term for
navigating through narrow, dangerous passages of water, which can be
a perilous or dire.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Situation if you're going between skill and charibdis like Homer
or in the Odyssey. Rather, Yeah, no, that's dire straits.
It's say it is a nautical term. Great band pick Withers,
of course, was in the earlier, earliest iteration of the band,
as well as their drummer.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And the song Sultan's a Swing Mark Knopfler, who is is?
Would you call him an underrated guitar play because when
people mentioned the great guitar players, I never hear his.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Name in that top five to ten list.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's always clapped in this Jimmy page, that Jimmy Hendrix,
and they are well deserving of that.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Nfler in his finger picking style.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
When you listen to if I'm not mistaken, when you
listen to Sultan's swinging he's playing, that's all fingerpicking he's doing.
He's not using an actual plastic pick. He's simply he's
a guitar guy.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I couldn't agree more I e. And he's well recognized
for that, but I would also agree underrated because he's
rarely As you pointed out in those conversations, I describe
him as the kind of guy because he's great with lyrics.
He's got this incredible voice. I describe him as a
guy that is capable of telling a story strictly with guitar.
He I mean, it obviously accents these words he's chosen,

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but if he wanted to tell you a story, you
would know what the emotional vibe of that song is.
That guy is such a talented guitar player, and that
the one time I got to interview him, it was
a mind blowing moment once and he I said, all right,
so you've had top ten hits around the world, you've
toured the world, you've sold platinum records, you've done all
the things that people set out to do when they're

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in these bands and when they're achieving this level. You've
done it all. What keeps you going? What is the
thing that you now work towards? What are you striving for?
And he took a breath, and he waited a moment,
and he said, you know, Brian, one of these days
I'd like to sit down and really learn how to
play this guitar. Wow, Which again I don't think it
was self deprecating or false modesty. I think that what

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it did to me was illuminate that there isn't an
end to the journey.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
There's not a final point.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
As good as he is, there are things he wants
to explore and wants to accomplish on that instrument that
he hasn't gotten to yet. That to me was a
very eye opening moment talking to a musician. He's just
I couldn't agree more. One of the all time greats.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
And the song Sultan's a Swing.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
The background there is he came up with the idea
when they walked into a pub somewhere and it was
just some you know, you know, you know, you know,
it's in every city in America all across the world.
There are bands that will play a night Friday center
and just you know, a bar bands, I guess is
what you call him. There was a bar band playing
coming out of the rain, Yeah to hear the jazz
go down exac and he came up with the song

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there and that was the song that really launched.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Because that was another one of those.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I compared the Direstraates a little bit of the cars,
and then it was a sound that was so different
than anything I'd ever heard. Yep, when you listen to
Sultan's a Swing, there was nobody doing a song like that,
and I think that's what really set them off and
running well.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
They came from that storytelling tradition of British pub rock
in the seventies and obviously had taken it to an
incredible level and an amount of polish for a debut
album that self titled Debut. Dire Straits record songs like
you know, down to the water line of just the storytelling,
the quality of the playing. It's very rich and of
the moment. And yeah, it doesn't have an equal that,

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it doesn't have a peer. It's a great, great song.
Number two. Number two. This is a band that's come
up a lot recently. One because they have a great
new documentary out, new Ish documentary, and two because they
were just in town at the Palace Theater over in
Saint Paul and I went to see them celebrating fifty
years of being a band and doing it and taking
it out on the road. Their name is their mission,

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statement is their expression, both musically and visually and philosophically,
and that is Divo, which is short for devolution, which
was to highlight the concept that we are no longer evolving.
We are going back from whence we came into the sludge,
into the muck, everything which seemed to indicate it. And
fifty years later they've been proven right. We're not doing better.

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We might have we might be able to get to
the destination faster, we might be able to figure out
an answer to something faster. As human beings, as the individuals,
as our brains. We are not evolving. Devolution is very real.
And Devo's been shouted from the mountaintop for fifty years.
And I just think Devo is a band whose name.
I can't think of anybody whose name exemplifies what they

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are more than Devo.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Number two Humble Pie also a great one. Peter Frampton
was in that band.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Originally, the band Humble Pie was named in response to
the press labeling them a supergroup, as the name was
intended to lower expectations and suggest a more modest image.
Steve Marriott came up with the name after a group
of suggestions was put into a hat and Humble Pie
was pulled out as the winning choice.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
The name is a play on the phrase humble pie.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Which comes from an old culinary tradition of making a
dish with animal innerds or humbles the servants. Yeah, here,
here's your dinner for tonight, for the servants animal inners.
Steve Marriott is very underrated musician. Again, it's not a
name unless you really follow music. You don't recognize the
name Steve Mary if you're.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Not of a certain age, or you're not someone who's
spending all your time at the record store or digging
through old archives and watching old clips.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
No, not a household name at all in the UK.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
I would argue he probably is, but yeah, no small
faces and humble pie.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
He was also.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
I wouldn't put him on the level of guitar wizard,
but he was a brilliant rock star.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
He was just a little fella too, but he was great.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Number one. You're your favorite band name of all time?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Number one.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Now, again, I don't go super deep on the band,
but I've never heard a song by them that I
don't like. They exemplify rock and roll. And the lead
singer who's very famous, and i'll tell you his name,
is in a minute of this band got kicked out
of another band, a very druggy prog rock band called Hawkwind,
because and I quote this is what he said, I
got kicked out of the band for doing the wrong drugs,

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not just for doing drugs, for doing the and that
in a nutshell sort of sums up lem Me Killmeister
and the legendary band Motorhead. They had come up with
a couple of different names, but Motorhead was the last
song he had ever written when he was still in Hawkwind,
and he's like Motorhead and now and then they've got
the great logo that goes along with it, and just
the chugging, relentless, ferocious rock riffs that they put out.

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Motorhead fits perfectly. And I think Motorhead is probably my
favorite band name of all time.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
There were my top one number one for me, there
was a number I had to go through first of
all the Archies, hmm, the Partridge Family, Yeah, yeah, the
moms in the Papas.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Which is a great name. I've got a bunch of
honorable mentions. Minnesota. Trampled by turtles, Yes, hilarious, because you
can't get trampled by a Turtle.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Unless you're exceptionally small.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Camper Van Beethoven very clever what they did there with
camper Van and then Beethoven even our I don't want to.
I'm not going to spoil your number one in case
this is them, So shout out.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
This one's not going to be number one for you.
Oh you're gonna be I know, it's not gonna be
in your honorable mentions beatles. Edgar Winter's White Trash White
Trash Destroyed Behind originated from a conversation between the band
members while struggling to find a name for their group.
According to an interview with former band member George Scheck,
one of Edgar Winner's bandmates mentioned that his grandmother had

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asked him who these white trash people were, and the
name stuck. The band's name is a combination of Edgar
Winner's name in the phrase, which was in reference to
people from his hometown of Beaumont, Texas in New Orleans,
who are these.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
White white trash?

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I see, then what you do is you take that
mantle and you wear it proudly and you rock the world.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I think that's a great choice. And there, I mean,
there are some that are genuinely terrible, like the Goo
Goo Dolls and Toad the Wet Sprocket, both very hateable
names but successful despite that. Strawberry Longclock. The sixties was
full of goofy names like that, and shout out to
my friend Charch Explosions in the Sky. There are a
lot of your artier and more noisy bands that have

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also and they will not us by the Trail of Dead.
Another great band name, there's there's a lot of them
out there.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Well, and then they're from uh from Diary a Wimpy Kid.
Uh the name of the band for Roderick. He had
a band was called Exploded Diaper No loaded diaper, right,
and then this song was exploding Tiper loaded Diper.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Great name, that's well, it's very on brand for Diary
of a Wimpy Kid.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Dous You wanted to ask him about a band name, right,
you texted me and.

Speaker 7 (40:52):
Well, I just want to I just wanted to ask
if you're familiar with the Tame and Paula that quy Oh,
absolutely okay, because I wanted to make sure I wasn't
going crazy, because I love You're not going crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Tame and Paula is especially worldwide their message.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, I figured you.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
Had probably heard of them, and I wanted to hear
your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
No, No, they they are, I mean kind of in
the last ten years, as big a non mainstream deal
as there is, right, I mean, they're a huge going concern.
They get played on local stations like the Current, stuff
like that, and people definitely know Tame and Paula and
it's kind of groovy and atmospheric. There's some stuff I
bet even your old man would like in the Tame

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and Paula catalog.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
I got to put him onto some of this newer
stuff because, don't get me wrong, I love listening to
some of his older music, but there's there's plenty of
new stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
What do you think of the song the the Low
Spark of high heel Boys. He doesn't like that, doesn't
understand that is one of these literally one of the
top ten songs of all times.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Well, I can't again, I can't follow you that far
into the woods, but I will say, like I mean,
I would rather hear mister Fantasy personally, you know. But again, traffic,
all of those people in Traffic were unbelievably good, and
that doesn't always mean when you put all like thus
the curse or the lowered expectations of the supergroup, when
you put people that talented together does not necessarily mean

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it's going to be great. But in the case of
Traffic and Absence, well, I just love.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
The lyric from Los Barkhil Boys says, and the man
in the suit has just bought a new car from
the PropheC.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
He's made on your dreams. It's just so good.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well and also a little two poignant Franklin Right. Well,
and here's what's really cool. But apparently they're doing the
song while they're recording it. Songwriter, why can't I think
this is going to be bad for me? Because he's
one of the greatest songwriter. He wrote most of the
songs for Traffic, Oh, but he screwed Jim CAPOLDI so
Jim Jim Capaldi scrawls out a third verse while they're

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playing the song, hands it to win Would and then
Winwood takes it while it's in the original recording and
he sings, is it just reading it off the papers
and nails it that it's rock and roll, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, I mean that's the way it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
So he wrote the third verse while they were playing,
because it's a twelve minute song. So they're doing jams
and it's you know, the sacks gets the guitars and
the whole thing, and he just he scrawls out a
third verse and hands it to him.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
He plays. It's just one of those stories. Rock stories are.
So I love rockfall. That's why we do rock talk.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
When Bill gets kicked out of loaded diaper at the
end of Roger rules, that's rock and roll, man, that's
rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Man, we're out of the band after the show. What
do you mean that's rock and rock and roll?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Go see School of Rock with Jack black Man. I
mean that's you know, that's rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
It's a fantastic spinal tap also brilliant crucial the number
of bands. So what I interviewed artists in Studio C
for nearly twenty years, the number of times they referenced
spinal tap. If you've made bands, if you've if you've
captured the essence of what it's like to be a band,
whether you're on the way up or on the way
down or whatever. So beautifully and so acutely that bands

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thirty forty years later are still referencing your film. You
got something right. You are correct again. We can find
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Speaker 2 (44:12):
Thanks, have a great Thanksgiving. We'll see you and give
give a listen to the whole thing Alis's restaurant talk fot.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
I promise I will and have a great sprint swing
every Thanksgiving everybody.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah you too.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
That's spread.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
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