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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Bring a toy, spread some joy.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
And if you're one of the first fifty donors each show,
you'll score a Sweet Cafe and Unreal Winter beanie. Details
at caffean dot com slash Toys. Kevin O'Connell speaking with
the media right.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now, and I know our guys are excited to get
to work on the field this week and we'll be
ready to roll when we hit the Lamba. There's really
just one update, you know. Jonathan Garnard will work off
to the you know, off to the side today and
we'll update you guys on kind of where he's at
moving into tomorrow and Friday, and then Ryan Kelly would

(01:00):
be a full participant.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay, Just on Michael Parsons, how have you seen them.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Use him from just the different positions and different types
of ways that they put them up front.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, he's lining up everywhere on first and second down.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
He'll be you know, he'll be on both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
He'll move around sometimes within a drive, so you really
can't have like an exact beat on where he's gonna be.
And really the important part of that is, you know,
whatever side he lines up on, Rashan Gary lines up
on the other side, and they've got Van Ness potentially
coming back as well, who's a who's a talented young player.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
So it's it's a it's obviously a focal.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Point and something we've got to be aware of to
have those kind of impact players on the edges. But
then on third down he could be rushing inside, he
could be lined up, you know, off the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
You've got to be ready and prepare.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Schematically is one thing, but then you know, all five
of those guys up front understanding that it may be
you know, maybe my you know, tough down to fight through,
depending on you know, where they want to dictate, you know,
from a standpoint of their alignments. So it's definitely something
we're talking about and trying to prepare our guys for.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
He thought about Jordi Walls development over the years.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, I think you know, the things that jump out
are just he's a very very good thrower of the
football and it's something that he came out of Utah
State like that. It was just a question of, you know,
how accurate could he be snapping and snap out and
and what would the rhythm of a game look like.
We're really what what I always thought, you know, when

(02:29):
he was coming out, But I really liked him studying
his tape and the high he can make some high,
high level difficulty throws.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
And then what I think he's really found.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is is a really good fit in Matt's offense of
their explosive they They've they've got a very deep receiving
core tight ends. I know they have an injury at
the position right now to Tucker, but you know, he
they've really made a really, you know, pretty interesting transition
to the marriage of running the past and some of
the things that they've done Matt's done at a high

(02:59):
level for a long time, but a little bit different
than kind of the traditional way of doing it all
the time where they're they're incorporating maybe some more gun runs,
they're incorporating some RPOs, some things that Jordan's obviously very
comfortable doing. But when push comes to shove, he's he's
making if you let him sit back there, clean in
the pocket all day. He's he's gonna make every throw available.

(03:20):
So it's it's it's one of those things where you're
trying to much like a lot of the quarterbacks in
our division, You're you're trying to see, you know, how
many times you can move them off the spot, eliminate
some of the easy departures from the pocket where he
can be a real problem with as his athleticism and
ability to throw on the run. And I think they
really understand, you know, either some players that you know

(03:40):
previously played with Aaron who is maybe as good of
anybody in the scramble drill setting, but those principles have
been in place for a long time in that offense,
and Jordan was obviously there developing, watching it very closely
for for some of his early years, and they picked
up right where uh they you know, he that Aaron
kind of left off. And then the other element is

(04:00):
just the ways they steal plays, whether it's rushing the
ball from a second to third down when you're trying
to sub and they get a free play, quick counts,
different different things that they kind of have tools that
give them an advantage, even if it's just on one snap,
it could be an explosive. We've seen that this year

(04:21):
throughout the tape of them finding those explosives where there's
also a penalty on the field for twelve guys on
the field. So we got to be totally you know,
totally locked in from a substitution when we can you know,
are they going to go to the ball? How great
can we be getting aligned quickly communicating and then you know,
playing out the snap from there, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
With JJ's mechanics specifically, sometimes they've seen kind of the
back leg come around and whip up a little bit.
Is that something that you've seen quarterbacks be successful with
or is that something you ideally don't want to see.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I think to a certain extent, I think the
violent the violent leg whip, you know, can some times
be you know, depending on where guys generate their natural
power from, you can see some of that, just as
the you know, the ultimate kind of disassociation between the
lower and upper half that creates the torque that some

(05:13):
guys put a lot of revolutions on the ball, And
that would definitely be you know, the category I would
put JJ in now. I also believe very strongly that
he doesn't necessarily always need that and and those you know,
those eighty eighty five percent throws that have plenty of
velocity on them, but also are you know.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
The location seems to be better.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
The friendliness of throwing more runners balls for guys, for
the ability to have some run after catch and then
just to progress in rhythm from a little bit more
comfortable base while not taking up too much space in
the pocket is also you know, part of it. But
I think it's something that some throwers you know, historically
have you've seen it, You've seen them do it. But

(06:01):
to me, it's the times where it's it's it can
be credited to do to a lack of foundation and
balance more so than the than the torque that he's generating.
And I think it's I think there's a middle ground
there that we're working towards, and we've seen from a
kind of a smooth rhythm standpoint that I think is
what we're hunting a little bit more on a snap

(06:21):
to snap basis.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
In the pocket presence, climbing the pocket and keeping space,
dealing with messy pocket.

Speaker 7 (06:29):
How do you work on that practice when guys that
have no contract jors, how.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Easy to to simulate those things and put it in
sight where you can get.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, all of our team periods, you know, the rush
is the rush is full full gore. We're blocking games,
we're handling pressures and guys know they have to stay
off the quarterback, but we want it to feel as real.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
As you possibly can.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know, they're getting hit in those messy product pockets
are kind of the byproduct of the games, but the
feel of what it feels like and every you know,
every game in the NFL just is gonna be like
the messy pocket and the guys that have really excelled,
you know, I was, you know, I was talking with
Tom Brady about this last week when we got a
chance to catch up before the game. It's you know,

(07:14):
a messy pocket doesn't necessarily mean it's a broken pocket.
And your ability to kind of in place, you know,
in the comfort or finding that you know, safe space
within the pocket to exhaust that one to one and
a half more seconds. Well, a pattern or a play
expresses itself is kind of what made him the greatest

(07:35):
of all time doing it. He wasn't you know how
many more times are we going to show his forty
yard dash from the combine. What we need to show
is the pocket movement within a progression, and he's working
one to two to three to four and ability to
throw the ball anywhere at any time based upon his
lower half kind of being his guiding force.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
So I think it's much more.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
JJ's shown the athleticism to impact games out of the
pocket with his legs, but it's much more that controlled,
you know, harnessed athleticism to be able to keep that
athletic base progressing through a down without needing to move
too far up into trouble, which can sometimes be the
back of alignment trying to you know, post single block,

(08:20):
a three technique or the way a pressure might you
know end up, you know, articulating. It's it's one of
those things where now it's a linebacker getting picked up
by Jordan Mason or Aaron Jones or c. J. Hamm
and you're protected, but it's it could be considered messy,
but those are winning downs by his teammates that we've
got to equal that with a winning down out of

(08:41):
the quarterback takeaways.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
I mean, I know you can't just talk it up
to that mind, but the last four or five games
there have been balls on the ground. There have been
balls tipped up in the air that just seem to
keep going back to the offense. Do you look at
it and do you say it's got to come around
or I mean, I know, forcing turnovers as a skill.
Are there things you're asking guys to do more of?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
To trund I think it's just, you know, I think
our tackling has been really good the last few games.
I think are knock back and the principles of stopping
the run, getting people into longer, longer yardage situations, and
then getting getting the down and distance on your side.
And then it's about tying in the disguise with the
with the push of the pocket and trying to disrupt

(09:18):
the quarterback and see if you can create some of
those opportunities that maybe weren't there at times throughout the year.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
So we're trying to do a little bit more of that.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
We're coaching every single day and our guys are some
of the best in the league at punching at the
football hammer and raking.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
You know, it's just been a matter of when we
have gotten it out.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
You know, there was a there was a couple of
snaps last week where the ball is loose and funny
bounce of the ball. Wes Phillips knows the shape of
a of a football. He always says it to me,
but I forget what he says. Kind of ask the doctor.
But but it is a funny shape ball and it
will bounce differently.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
You just got to keep creating those ops.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
I showed the team example of us doing that today
not very long ago, of just close up views of
just surgical punches, you know, purple hats to the ball
in population so when it does come out, maybe in
the kicking game, you can punch one of those things
out and change the game.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Did you go into this kind of exhaust for full
twenty one days or prepared that if things go on?

Speaker 5 (10:21):
So?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I think the plan more more so than the twenty
one days Kevin was the time from when we put
him on our r to when we activated that window
opening up of just making sure that we had exhausted
the required time to where Ryan was, you know, essentially
banging down the door to get back on the field,
and then we wanted to let him go through a

(10:43):
full practice week or at least build up to the
type of work that would allow him to feel really
good coming into this week to to hopefully then have
another good week and then we can make a determination
later this week. But he's in a great spot. He's
gonna be h he's going to be fully participated, and
as the week goes on, I'll let you guys know
what his availability for Sunday looks like. But excited to

(11:05):
have him back on the field with our guys for sure, walk.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
With the guy who has had multiple concussions.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, I think what you do is you defer first
and foremost to not only the medical professionals that work
with our team, but we've sought outside resources as well,
much like we do in a lot of these circumstances.
And you're just looking for green light after green light
after green light. And I think Sunday will have been
eight weeks since the Pittsburgh game, so I feel like

(11:36):
there's been the proper amount of time We've taken a
look at every layer of equipment. Probably going to see
him wearing a guardian cap, you know, maybe I believe
he's got a different helmet. You're trying to do all
the things that you can do to make sure you
eliminate any of the controllables and then this game is
what it is.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
And Ryan Kelly loves playing football.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
He's been really dark and good at it for a
long time is itching to get back out there. And
and once the medical side, you've exhausted the equipment side,
and you're really kind of looking at then anything fundamentals
and technique wise to to help him. We've we've kind
of talked about as well, But like I said, he's
been playing for a really long time at at a

(12:17):
really high level. So it's kind of one of those
things that it's a uh, it's a process that involves
a lot of things, and I just want to make
sure from my chair, we're exhausting every avenue to make
sure that we've controlled what we can from a timing
and and all the different things I just listed, Uh,
And then if all systems are going and and we're
greenlit to go, let's let's attack this thing together with

(12:40):
with with with no kind of no kind of worry,
and and let that let him go play football, which
is what he wants to do. We just have to
continue to finish off this process the way it started
and has maintained throughout.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Kevin with Donovan Jackson, you guys, drafted and we talked
about his personalities intelligence.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
How have you seen that sort of manifest itself and
his growth here?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, I think you know, you look at how he
dealt with the wrist injury and then able to come back,
you know, beat the timeline on that. Maybe not as
full of a participant, you know, as you as you
would want a young player to be, and he's able
to go out and get the reps in games and
show immediate improvement on things. He's an ascending young player.

(13:26):
I thought he had one of his better games last week.
And he's played really consistent for us all year long.
And the best part about him is if something gets
some or he gets beat on something, or he's got
to be a little you know, you know, altering to
his technique in the run game or the pass game,
he does it and doesn't need Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
He'll do it in game. He's a great communicator. He's

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played next to a few guys now throughout the year
on that offensive line and it has really been a
both him and Will have been really really you know
kind of guys that if they weren't as consistent as
they were, you know, I don't. I don't know necessarily
if we'd be where we are now or even you know,
able to get through some of the adversity we have.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Was that it it's not my fault. I'm chewing on
the r I thought it was another.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Question, I said, last question. Yeah, I mean he gave
the opportunity for the reporters. Apparently they got nothing today.
I'm familiar with that. Old Tom knows.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Well, there's that.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Let's take a break, we'll come back.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
No, we're just gonna get let's go in five questions,
but we've already broken.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh, let's go ahead. Time now you can't.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
No, you can trust five questions? Well, actually three, but
five sounds like more than four. Question number on a
question for you? First, Okay, how many days can.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
You eat the same leftovers in a row before you
just quite can't do it?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Because I can eat. My wife always wants to make something.
I love her for it. She always wants to make
something and say, we.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
Have too many left I can't keep up with the
leftovers and the refrigerator. I don't we call right, I
don't want to throw it away.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So how many days can you eat? Do you think?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
And til the food's not right edible anymore. I don't
know what the word would Yeah, I mean if there's
mold on it, then I would shot.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
But I can. I can eat the same thing.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, Like I just had the barbecue chicken tacos with
the red cabbage slaw homemade from a Healthy recipe book.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I've had it every day since Saturday. Lucky I had it.
It was a Sunday, Saturday, Sunday morning, Tuesday.

Speaker 7 (15:40):
No, it would have been a we go four days
on leftovers that it was Sunday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I ate it all every day for lunch. Just it's
so good. I potentially make meals that there will be
leftover foes.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
Yeah, exactly. So I just had to ask and see
what it was like for you. So you and I
are cut from the same cloth there. Of course, my
my palate's a little bit more varied than yours.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
But still I'm very used eating the same things. Again,
give yourself a rim shot there, you boys.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
I'm sorry you as you had a question for you
programming pre predicaments.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
The Timberwolves host Washington tonight at seven pm on FanDuel
Sports Network.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
You can listen to it on the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
The Wild host the Carolina Hurricanes tonight at Greencasine Arena.
Because it's a nationally televised game on T and T.
It begins at eight thirty actually eight fifty five. You
can listen to it right here on the fan. And
the Gophers women's basketball team is at Kansas at six
thirty pm on ESPN plus Common. What are you gonna
do about tonight's programming predicament?

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
The Glenn Miller please, guys like us, we had it
those where.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
The day is.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Do you know what that's from? I have heard it
before a TV show.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
All in the Family from the nineteen seventies Norman Lear
starring starring Carol O'Connor, Jeans Stapleton, Sally Struthers, and Rob Reiner.
It's All in the Family. I'll probably dial up some
All in the Family tonight. Well, the one thing it
does do is if you have a programming predicament with
the Wolves in the Wild, the the you know the

(17:27):
w Square teams in town. The Wolves you said, start
at seven, right, yeah? And if you think, do you
see how they're playing? They're also playing a Washington team.
Did you know that. Did you notice that? Because aren't
we playing the Washington Capitols in hockey?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
No, we're playing Carolina.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
Oh okay, then scratch that, we're playing Washington in basketball.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
They've won one game, they're one in twelve.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
That almost seems How bad can you be if you
think the Wolves don't try oftentimes on defense.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I gotta think the Wizards don't ever try. You can't.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
And I think they won like their second game of
the season, so that means they've lost I think like
ten in a row at least, maybe it's maybe it's
even eleven.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
How bad is that? I mean, this is like, I
don't see how you lose this game.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
The Wolves have done a better job this season than
they did last season and beating teams are supposed to beat.
This was one where this last year we would have
lost this game, and then we would have heard the
principles with the Timbrel say, well, you know, they just
they wanted it more, they tried harder.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
You know.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Let's and so we start putting an effort against these
lesser teams, we're just going to really have continue to
have trouble with them. But that's what But the problem
is now, they're not beating the really good teams this year.
Any team with a winning record they've lost, I think, yeah,
and they continue to lose. But you can watch some
of that. That should be a blowout by that game
should be over by halftime. Then you can switch over hockey, which.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Gophers are playing. The Gophers women maybe not off to
a decent start. They're at Kansas. I'm not sure they're
The women's team is the same as the men's when
it comes to Kansas. But it was this Rock Talk
Jayhawk probably a quality opponent, right, Rock Talk, Rock.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
Talk Jayhawk, Yeah, I probably. I think I'd give the gals. Uh,
I'll do that, Gander. I'll give that again. I'll give
the gals of Ganders what I'll do.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Question number two games Let's win. That's game. It's now
time to take an in depth look at the state
of the school.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
There's a Berrero length question. So feel free to eat
some food already, it's all gone.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's already.

Speaker 7 (19:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Mike Florio prop pro pro football Talk, pro football Talk.
I think pro football is max, pro football Talks dot
com roat today quote. There's already chatter in some circles
that in the twenty twenty six offseason, the Vikings will
explore trading for forty nine Ers quarterback Mac Jones. Florio
wrote quote for the Vikings, it could make some sense
to bring in a veteran who would compete with JJ McCarthy,

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the top ten pick in twenty twenty four, hasn't done
enough to have the presumed starter role next season. A
true composition could force the issue, getting McCarthy to take
the improvements that the Vikings want to see or else.
There won't be a ton of great options in free agency.
There's no Darnold this year. Daniel Jones most likely won't
be available, even though he signed a one year deal
with the Colts, who would be wise to sign him

(20:27):
to a long term deal weeks before the annual illegal
tampering starts. He says, the franchise tag remains available. Obviously,
he says, who else is there? Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers,
who turns forty two on December third, Jimmy Garoppolo to
Rod Taylor, Trey Lance, Marcus Mariota, Joe Flacco, and Gardner
Minshew headline relative a week relative to recent year's class
of veterans with starting experience. He also says Kyler Murray

(20:49):
also could be available, possibly via trade, though it's also
possible he'll be released common would you be interested in
the Vikings trading for mac Jones this offseason? And at
the very least, should jj McCarthy a competition?

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Could you repeat the names of those other quarterbacks you mentioned,
I could get him straight.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I I think it's way too early to even because
let's just play this out. If Florio is.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Like a lot of the other guys, they have they have, Yeah,
they have to throw stuff out clickbait and they and
they they we have to feel airtime.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
He has to fill airtime I think TV time and.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
He also I think he's a writer as well for
profocaball weekly, so he has to fill space as a
Ninkstate wretch. Let's just for argument's sake, say McCarthy gets
a little bit better this week against Green Bay. By
the end of the season, he's really he's doing really well.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
He's got all three throws that Brady talks about.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
He's got the he's got the silver bullet, he's got
a little touch pass, and he's got the other come
whateveryone that is. So he's let's say he has all
the passes and they win some games.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, then it's all a mute point. We're not talking
about mac Jones.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
We're not talking about Gardner Minshew, we're not talking talking
about Aaron Rodgers, and we're not talking about Kyler Murray.
We're talking about Hey, JJ made some real strides. Looks
like we have our guy. So now if McCarthy, Now,
if you want to say, if McCarthy continues to play
the way he's playing and really shows very little progress,

(22:19):
if any, well then yeah, I'm all for doing what
San Francisco did when they saw Trey Lance didn't have it,
they moved on. I'm sure it was tough for them
to do that, for everything they gave up for him, But.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
The league doesn't wait.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
You got to move, and so if you're otherwise, you
spin your wheels. We talked about it last segment, or
maybe the segment before. I mean I have talked about
it for years. If you keep trying with the quarterback
for several years, you can lose half a decade just
gone where your team gets nothing accomplished. And then we'll
go back to the quotes from is it Phillips is

(22:55):
our offensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, remember I read the quote from him.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
That's look, we can't just keep doing what's good for
the young quarterback. We have to do what's good for
everybody with the team. And so what's good for the
team is you can't sit with a for the friend.
You can't just sit with one quarterback. We talked about Lawrence.
Look at how long they're taking with him, and that
team isn't any better now than it was when he
first started with the club. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I thought a great quote from Seyffert, and I'm paraphrasing
the quote. He was saying, how like the Vikings are
kind of in two alignments here. One is try to
get to a big game. The other is develop your quarterback.
And he said the two are cannibalizing each other. Yeah,
the quarterback is preventing you from getting to the big game,
and trying to get to the big game is preventing

(23:41):
maybe development from your quarterback.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
Because even a accomplished quarterback with this team might be
haven't just as much trouble, you know, as far as
winning and losing, right, because we've seen some of the
greatest quarterbacks of all time. I've never won a big
game or even gotten their team to a big game.
So yeah, so I think there is some true to that.
So I yeah, I now that we're in the air

(24:04):
the point it look let us be realistic here. The
chances of the Vikings even qualify for postseason play, they're not.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Real good right now. So now is the time to.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
And again, like Phillips said, like I've mentioned this a
couple of times myself before, before the Phillips thing.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Before Phillips said it, you have to.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Worry about the rest of the players on the team
and the franchise and the coaching staff and everybody else
is involved. But now that it looks like it's you're
still trying to win games, which you are trying to
win them now for sure by.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Developing the quarterback to see what you've got.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
If he doesn't make any strides, I'm all for bringing
somebody else in. We don't have that time now could
come back to haunt you. He could get cut, go
somewhere like Donald, right, Donald was cast aside by a
couple of other clubs. We signed next thing. You know,
he's playing as good as any quarterback in the league.
So I have a solution for j j.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
McCurry. That would be for the offense trips right.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Just put all three wide receivers on the right side
of the field, don't even worry about the left side.
And then every once in a while, if they're gonna
start overplaying the right, then you do the old statue
of liberty play where you fake the pass of your
trips right and you hand it off Aaron Jones, who
now goes down the left side, sweeps it on the
left side where nobody.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Or the quarterback does the naked boot lake. Yeah, I
love the naked boot leke. Just play everything on the
right side. Just do your trips over there. I don't
know that I don't have a problem. Question number three.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
It's time now for it's a low down in Dinkie Town.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
The Gophers men's basketball team trailed by two points with
seven to fifty one remaining, but did rally for a
sixty six to fifty four winner Chicago late.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
I'm thinking Takeago Wake because if the Beachchago Lakes, remember that,
that would be that's a senior high school.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
That would be very that would be just Chicago State.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Last night at William's Arena, kay Tyson scored twenty two points.
Jalen Crocker Johnson added fifteen, Isaaca Zuma added fourteen. Common
what sticks out to you, and the Gophers win even
though they struggled for I called.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
Chicago Lakes high school basketball games back when I was
working at the Forest Lake Radio station, Chicago Lake and
Forest Lake with the two schools that we covered intently,
and so I did a lot of their games. I
think it's gonna be a long year. I mean, Chicago State,

(26:26):
I read the pre the you know, the pregame story.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Did I read it right?

Speaker 7 (26:34):
Were they like one in sixteen? Last year four eighteen
or something? I mean, they're just not any good.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I mean they're back when they just struggled with the
Wisconsin Green exactly. And so I think the University of
Saint Thomas beat by eighteen.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Now it is.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
A bunch of new players that have never played together, right,
I mean, these guys are just from I.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Mean, that's all college basketball. Though. I don't even think
these guys know.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
They're probably still not even familiar with the first names
of every guy in the team.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So there's gonna be a little unfamiliarity.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
But as you mentioned, that's the way a lot of
teams are, but I think this one even more so.
I mean, I think a lot of the established teams
bringing one or two guys. We have I think only
two players from last year's team, So there's going to
be some growing pains. But I would think even with
growing pains, a big eighteen school shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Have the struggles.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
So they won the game, so you know, it's better
to win than lose. But it could be a long season.
I'm a I hope for the best. I would love
You've heard me say it so many times. I'd love
for the local five to be really good because I
go back to that and run in ninety seven, and
there were a couple of other seasons leading up to
ninety seven where the goalverers made little bit, you know,
some mini runs in the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
So and that's it for today's edition of five Questions.
Well actually three questions, but five sounds like more than four.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
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Speaker 2 (28:04):
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Speaker 5 (28:54):
Here.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's time now for rock talk a little early today.
It's all radio business related.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
It's just our top of the hour break is very long,
and so we thought come into a little shorty here,
a little set the table, and then go into it after.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
The bottom of the hour break.

Speaker 9 (29:13):
You know, I mean, I did this for a very
very long time, and you're at the whims of a
lot of other forces, and so you just have to
be the show in between the business.

Speaker 7 (29:21):
And as I think it was, I don't remember what
number album it was, but Van Morrison did an album
called Roll with the Punches yep.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So that's what we do, is we just roll with
the punches. Exactly. Good to see you. I asked you
when you walked in the door.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
If you had ever heard of I forget his first name,
Todd Snyder, and you said you had. You didn't go deep,
but you knew of him, had heard his music. I'd
never heard him before until his untimely death. Apparently he
was on tour, he was jumped and assaulted in Utah,
and then he he died, and it's still mysterious.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
They say he died of pneumonia. I'm not sure exactly
how it all went down. He was jumped on this
most recent tour, That's what I see.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I know.

Speaker 9 (30:05):
I hadn't heard that detail. I no, no, I'm sure
that's probably it. I just I again, Todd Snyder. You know,
being around music as much as I am, you hear
a ton of names, and you hear sort of the
reverence with which people speak those names. But I couldn't
name a song off the top of my head if
I had to, you know. So I don't know, but
I'm aware of I know of him by reputation, as

(30:27):
they say, and among music aficionados and among musicians themselves,
Todd Snyder is one of those great American singer songwriters
who not in the same vein, not like in the
old school country vein. But like how Guy Clark, everybody
loves Guy Clark and covered his music, but he was
not a household name. I'd say Todd Snyder sort of
is that same template, where he is deeply revered among

(30:51):
the music community and among diehards who found him so Yeah,
cult figure, as you described before we went on the air,
is exactly what Todd Snyder was.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
This month, Schnyder canceled the remaining dates of a tour
in support of his latest album, High Lonesome, and then
some after he was involved in an assault outside his
hotel in Salt Lake City, where he had been scheduled
to perform WOW. A statement posted to his social media
account on November third said the singer had sustained quote
severe injuries and that he would be unable to perform

(31:20):
for an undetermined amount of time. Additional details of the
assault were unclear, so but then said he died of pneumonia.
So did he get pneumonia from? Did he get collapse
lungs in the bed? I don't even know how that all.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I have no idea.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
The only thing I really know about Todd Snyder is
that one of the reasons that he sort of relegated
to cult status. And something that might have gotten in
the way of him being better known is he lead
led troubled life. He was a troubled individual. Some of
that substance, some of that mental health just he was
sort of a loose cannon and made it in some

(31:55):
people's descriptions, made him difficult to work with, limited his
ability to tour consistently and do that sort of thing.
But even among you know, detractors, everyone recognizes that he
was a brilliant singer songwriter.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
This story from the New York Times says mister Stider
never reached the level of recognition of John Prime, Jerry
Jeff Walker, Chris Christofferson, and Jimmy Buffett, all of whom
either mentored or influenced him. But his brand of alt
rock American up here with raggedy stoner inflected storytelling that
displayed in a cerbic wit and a stude eye for

(32:27):
the tail and virtuo so comedic timing endeared him to
as many fans.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I took not necessarily a deep I've never.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Heard of it.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, and he is he's clever, he mean, he's folk singer.
He plays acoustic guitar by himself.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
He's got a strong streak of John Prime, and yes,
does he writes those those.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Clever, witty lyrics, you know, he he he how did
he write? One of his songs was.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
Sing me a train songs? I got a one track
mind or something like that. So he do a lot
of those play on words and stuff and he and yeah,
I like that. I mean, it's it's it's I've always
been attracted.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
To those quirky singer songwriter type.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Artist, but I'd never quite frankly, I had never heard
of Todd Snighter before, and I think I all spend
part of this weekend listening to some of his listening
to some of his music.

Speaker 9 (33:16):
I will too, because John Prine and Jerry Jeff Walker
are two of my very, very favorites, and I got
my love of both of them from my dad growing up.
You know, as a teenager in Coon Rapids in the eighties,
you're not really that's not really ground zero for your
musical taste, but it was always on. It was always
my dad always picked that stuff out. And I have
a deep and abiding love for both of them, and
so yeah, I would like to spend a little more

(33:36):
time myself with the Todd Snyder catalog, because you know,
if he's being mentioned in the same breath, that's obviously
pretty solid.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Are you familiar with a Little Feet? I know, a
you're familiar with them, but are you a fan? They're
announcing their Fairwell, everybody's got a farewell tour. Let's think
about it.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
They we're still working.

Speaker 9 (33:51):
Little Feet has been a band for what more than
fifty years now, or at least fifty years.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
They've been around so long. They're not little bit.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
They have big feet exactly, Thank you, tired old trusty feet. Yes, yeah,
Lowell George and the songwriter. Again, this is another band
that I mean, everyone's heard some of their songs, oh
one or two of their songs for sure, but they're not,
you know, superstars in that regard, but somehow still had
a band, yes, a fifty year.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Career and Lowell George.

Speaker 9 (34:18):
You know, people talk about him with the same kind
of hushed reverence that they do about Oh, I don't know,
Levon Helm from the band, right, or Robbie Robertson from
the band.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I mean this one of these.

Speaker 9 (34:28):
Truly incredible artists and the whole band around him were
also excellent players. But yeah, if you're if you're looking
for like for me, Little Feet was always sort of
like The Grateful Dead, if you took out all the
hippie dippiness of it and just kept the rest of
the groovy rock band in there. Yeah, Little Feat's a
good band. Again, I don't go deep on Little Feet.
I was never a super fan, but I'm not so

(34:49):
They've been at it long enough that I'm surprised that
they're actually still kind of kicking it around and doing it.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
Someone says, I've lived tonight over thirty years. You will
not be wasting your time delving into his ca.

Speaker 9 (35:00):
That make I mean, that's what everybody talks about him,
like you, and so I've always only ever heard good
things other than some of his personal foibles.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
But musically, yeah, I mean, he's supposed to be as
good as a guest.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Before we go to break, you said you had a
couple of things. What are those things we can tease
the break and dive into you have a couple of times.
I've got a couple of them for you.

Speaker 9 (35:17):
So obviously Thanksgiving Day, in addition to all the face stuffing,
is all about football, right, And I've got a list
of some of the huge halftime shows that are going
to be happening at some of the major marquee Thanksgiving
Day games. Also, the Cambridge Dictionary has come out with
its Word of the Year, and right at the crosshairs
of this brand new Word of the Year for twenty

(35:37):
twenty five, Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swett No, so.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
We got a little music football do go to We'll
do that on the other side of the break, that's right,
and then we'll have rock Rank, Rock Rank, Rock Rank,
So we'll do that more rock talk on the side
of the break, and then the legendary Mark rosen.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Nud joins us just before too.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
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Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, it's like hello, go thirteen fourteen past. I'm common.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
He's tending to be Brian Okus here rock Talk and
then rock ranking a little bit.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
So now what's this about halftime show?

Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (37:14):
So obviously Thanksgiving Day is especially for people who are
fans of the Grum. Yes, it's about food and family,
but let's be honest, most of us watch more than
a little football on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
Right, Since nineteen thirty four or thirty five in Detroit
have hosted a Thanksgiving Day game, much to the charrinam
many fans.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
They think they should spread it around, but Detroit gets
it all the time. Right, and they're having a special
halftime show. I think correct they are.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
But think before we even get into that, think about
how many years the one of the I don't need
to tell you for sure, but just how terrible the
Lions were for so many years, terrible fans and forced
to play on a national stage every Thanksgiving for decades,
they were just awful. So I almost, although it's hard
for me to say a good word about the Honolulu Blue,

(37:58):
I'm almost happy for them that they're now enjoying this
wonderful renaissance and get that stage. But yeah, so three
big games that day, each one of them has a
pretty significant halftime show, and in your hometown of Detroit.
That is Jack White Detroit's favorite rock and roll son,
you know, since probably Iggy Pop your favorite by far. Yeah,

(38:20):
I mean, you know, later on here with rock Rank,
we're going to be talking about some of the biggest
artists of twenty era, of the two thousands, and for me,
he's absolutely in my top five of that list. You know,
he was the White Stripes most famously, but the rack
On tours, his lengthy solo career. Now, I he is brilliant,
able to command a big stage. I've traveled to see

(38:40):
him before. I just think he's one of the best
things going in American music for the last twenty five years.
And also, I mean, Detroit should be proud of this guy.
He is maintaining the crazy rock insanity mentality that that
city's always embraced and embodied and some of the great
rock bands ever have come out of that city.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And he's another in the long list.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Because you said Jack White's one of your favorite from Detroit, yeah,
and I thought, well, I'm wondering how many other famous
musical artists came from because I know Detroit has been
has had a rich history there so many I.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Dial up famous musicians from Detroit. Listen to this list
hit me.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, Eminem, White, Stripes, Tempts, Jack White,
Smokey Robinson, The Supremes, MC five, Bob Seger, Barry Gordy,
Ted Nugent, Kid, Rock four Tops, Diana Ross, Anita Baker,
Susie Quatro, Martha and the Van Dellas.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Do I need to go on?

Speaker 5 (39:32):
No?

Speaker 9 (39:32):
I mean his name after If you cut that list
in half, that's still legendary exact. Detroit has always been
this northern hub of amazing musical excellence. And what I
love about that list you just shared, it's everything. It's
not just an R and B city. It's not just
a rock and roll city. It's in everything city. There
is a vibrancy there especially, and it comes out in

(39:54):
the music. You know, good times are bad times in Detroit.
That is That's always been a major American destined for music.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Also, speaking of the halftime show, do you guys see
that Eminem and his his manager are now basically consultants
for the Detroit Lions on that halftime show They've been hired.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
That makes sense.

Speaker 9 (40:10):
I mean, you know, em is revered in Detroit even
more than Jack White, and Jack White's a beloved son,
So I think that's that's I'd love to hear that,
because that means interesting people will continue to get a
crack at that slot. Yeah, and do you know the
other show there you said, oh yeah, yah, yeah, So
I believe that's the first game and correct. And then

(40:30):
Little John, who you know, not really my style at all, Yeah,
Lil John or little John litl litl Lil John turned down,
turned down for what he will be performing, did I
just from the windows of the walls exactly. He'll be
doing the halftime show at the Ravens Bengals matchup and
then the Cowboys Chiefs game, which, Yeah, the headliner there

(40:54):
is during the halftime show is a guy that I've
always disregarded up until very recently and could also be
in the argument as one of the biggest artists of
the twenty first century post Malone.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Post Malone.

Speaker 9 (41:06):
I think that I saw the cowboy hat, the facial tattoos,
and heard all the the auto tune vocorder stuff, and
I had made up my mind that this guy was
just some pop unlikely pop free, but he's crossed over
into so many genres and the other day I.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Was sitting country right, didn't win? Didn't he win? Like
a CMA award?

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Exactly.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
He's one of the guys that's helping inform new country
sound because if you listen now, yes they're still twaying,
and yes there's still stories of a pickup truck you
never owned, but there are the quality of pop production
hip hop beats making their way into a ton of
modern country.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
One album of the Year correct much of the scrin
I think of a lot of country purists, well, of course.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
You know, but so post Malone is really he's one
of the defining sounds there. But he also does it
in the pop world and in the hip hop world.
And I was sitting at a friend's house one day
and he had his Spotify on. You know, you pick
an artist and then they'll just pick adjacent stuff to that.
Literally every time that afternoon and evening, I'm like, hey,
this isn't bad. What's this post Malone postline that forced
me to readdress my understanding and go back and listen.

(42:08):
More so, he'll be doing halftime with the Cowboys.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
Chief I brought his name up with Tennebe and Lilby
the other day, and I don't know how it came up.
But the only reason I know post Malone is because
my youngest boy played basketball.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Oh and post Malone has a song called White Iverson.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
It's called White Iverson and it says, and we used
to douce and I to tease baby brother Peter.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
We sing the chorus to him.

Speaker 7 (42:36):
When I started ball and I was young, young And
then people say stop it, right because Pete started what
he was young and we were calling him white Iverson.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Nice.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
But that was the song, and it's it's it. I
have to admit it's a catchy too. He knows what
he's doing. He's really good. He is a high quality
entertainer that's had a lot of success, a lot of influence.
And so yeah, no, he's a great halftime show for then,
So those are.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Your a halftime show?

Speaker 9 (43:01):
I do have that. I've also got so this ties
in the literary world, the world of football, and the
highest end of the world of music, all in one
small nugget of a story. The Cambridge Dictionary has given
out their word of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Now, Cambridge, is it six seven?

Speaker 9 (43:17):
It's not six seven, nor is it whatever you're the
bobbling you're doing with your hands right there.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I said, they do for six o the kids, oh
six seven, and they have to bobble your hands with it.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
Well, I'm gonna be honest. When you do it, it
looks mid Oh does it mid?

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
At seven?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
The hand signal is also what the referees doing the
ball's attempt to be thrown at Jordan.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Adison, they make that sign.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (43:36):
Who did you used to call frying panhands? That's still
to my days? Was Troy Williams One of your my
favorite things.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Was Devin Young No, I think it was. He was
the feat one. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I tell it like it was like Tony Batista. There's
like a third basement for the Yeah twins.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Troy Williamson had I said he had cast iron skillets.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Yeah, I just I thought one time I heard you
say frying panhands, and I've I've just it makes me
giggle every time it pops up. Anyway, The twenty twenty
five word cambridge is a big deal. This is one
of the dictionaries, So it's news when they put out
a word, but even more when it intersects with the
world around us. So the twenty twenty five word of
the year according to Cambridge any idea what it might

(44:17):
be No, okay with music related, yes, you know, well
they're the ones that everyone's using. The example for the
word is parasocial. Parasocial means the connection that someone feels
between themselves and a famous person they do not know. Now,
I don't have to tell you about this, because you've

(44:38):
been the dream of the everyday housewife for how long.
Now they think they know more about you, and they've
developed this lopsided relationship with you because they hear you
every single day. They have an intimacy that doesn't actually exist,
but it is very very real inside their head and
their heart. That's what parasocial means. And so how Travis
and Taylor d brought this word to the forefront. This

(45:01):
word started getting used a lot more because so many
people have involved themselves or busied themselves with the excitements,
the romance, the drama, everything that's unfolded about you know,
two of the biggest stars in their chosen fields with
the romance of the year and all that. Many people, millions,
literally millions, many millions of people have a parasol social

(45:23):
relationship with them.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Well, maybe not to that extent.

Speaker 9 (45:27):
But I mean, there are people listening right now who
think they know you, and they make a this is
a destination.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
They come here every day and in doing.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
So, even because I think they know more about you
than their average person knowing you're you know, than the
person sitting next to them. And there's an ownership there, right,
There's an investment and paris So parasocial is basically and
we all have it as well. There are people that
we follow along or pay attention to, whether it be
movie stars or writers or whatever the case may.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Be, physicians, chef musicians, from you as well. I'm a
big fan.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
Between listening, you know, to their output, watching their work,
whatever the case may be, we develop this very lopsided,
not necessarily unhealthy relationship. As long as we don't try
to show up at their compound at some point and
say Hi, Taylor, you know, or anything like that, then
we've crossed the line. But parasocial word of the year,
and probably the primary example is the massive relationship that

(46:23):
a lot of strangers have with a very famous couple.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
Well, this one says right here. It says from the
six five one says, common is my surrogate father. So
so there's proved positive right there. I'm a father as well.
Yeah yeah, yeah, this one says, did don't listen to
post Malone and Ozzie collaboration called take what you Want.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I did not know they worked together.

Speaker 9 (46:50):
That's the post Malone has worked with everybody in every genre,
and so I was sort of.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
It, says check out post on YouTube during COVID he
did a bunch of Neirvana songs mm hmm, and he
sounded just like Colbay.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
That's what he says.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
He can kind of do everything. And so I begrudgingly
gave him a listen, and well he doesn't skyrocket into
my very favorites of all time. His talk about the
prime example of you don't have to love him, but
you have to respect him. I think post Malone that's
very much how I look at him.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
How about are we ready for a rock rank? I'm
ready rock CRK ROCKLNK Rock Rock Link Rock ra rockn.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Rock rank.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Post Malone could make an open like that, No, not
absolutely it. If he did, I don't even think he
saw like Kurt Cobay anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Okay, you're about to maybe say some names that Common's
never even heard of, because I'm going to ask you
to name your top five favorite bands or artists after
the year two thousand.

Speaker 9 (47:49):
Oh yeah, well but no, no, you're actually are going
to know all of these. To thin this out a
little bit and to spread it out a little bit,
because if this is such a giant, meaty question, I
took a little bit of artistic license tennant, and I'm
just gonna do artists today and maybe we can do
bands next week. They're just there are so many ultra

(48:09):
superstar diva types, both male and female, that there's too many.
It muddies the conversation. So I thought, let's do solo
artists or people we recognize as solo artists today, and
then in a future episode of Rock Rank, we can
knock down the bands.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
What is that next week? Nice just she is in
fact on that list, but not yet.

Speaker 9 (48:31):
But now, and here's the thing, there are going to
be so many artists that I can hear the argument
that could be on.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Here.

Speaker 9 (48:36):
These are my top five, though starting a number five.
British singer songwriter Adorable Little unassuming Ginger from across the
pond Ed Shearing comes in at number five. Really yes,
now and here this and and hear me out in
love with the shape of you way, that's a huge song,
But early on he went somewhere between.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
A is he a sappy love song? He has those
in him.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
Some of the biggest ones of all time are certainly
of the twenty five years, But he's also capable of
like what he started out when he was busking on
the streets. He did this on the streets, busking when
you b usk, when you well, so have you ever
seen anybody playing on the street with their guitar case open?
Busking is when you were just playing out in public

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for the whims of the public around him.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
That should be the word of the year, because I've
remember busking.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Well, I think busking's been a thing for about three
hundred four hundred years, so I think that maybe longer
than that. Actually never heard that, but no, So he
started out that way, and he did this kind of
cool acoustic meats hip hop thing.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
If you go back and look at.

Speaker 9 (49:36):
An early studio version of him doing this song before
he was even kind of famous, called you need me man,
I don't need you. You're gonna be blown away by
how this young kid was able to just absolutely murder
these words and he would do it live and make
it longer every time. Anyway, he can do everything in
the twenty tens the number one global live artists. Nobody

(50:00):
sold more tickets or had bigger shows for a longer
period of time in the twenty teens than Ed Sheeran.
So right there, he's obviously made a name. But and
so this is not only about his solo work there.
He worked heart music festivals. We got that, right, So
you go ahead.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I was gonna saying I once saw like a clip
of Ed Sheeran on one of those late night talk shows,
and he was just kind of dispelling the myth of
people saying, God, you have a god given talent. Yeah,
so he like played it. He played a song of
him singing when he was like a teenager, right, and
he you know, he wasn't a great singer, no, And
his point was like, this is not a god given talent.

(50:35):
I had to put a lot of like people kind
of discuss how much work because people have to put in.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
People say golf, I dug my game out of the ground. Yeah,
very similar. I didn't just all of a sudden could
hit great golf shots.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
And it's not just his solo career because his behind
the scenes producing career and songwriting career. His songwriting with
other artists has produced top ten hits in the not
quite hundreds dozens, I would say it's hundreds, not quite there,
but like specifically most famously with the band One Direction,
who were the global force in the music universe for

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a couple of years, largely on songs that Ed Sheern
had written. So he comes in at my number five
biggest artists of the twenty first century, number four, number four.
This is another British singer songwriter and it is the
one that you mentioned first. It's Adele now Adele Whilst
she's lost a little steam in recent years, when we

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have to look at the entire twenty five years, this
is a time where the music industry had never been
more imperiled. They had dug their heels in said they
weren't going into the digital divide and they weren't going
to do that. This is how we've always done it.
And they wanted to gatekeep music in this sort of
physical format. Well, that obviously didn't work. The walls came
crashing down and the music industry really suffered. In the
two thousand oughts into the teens every time, three times

(51:51):
in a row, Adele put a record out.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Every time she did it.

Speaker 9 (51:54):
She basically saved the music industry that year in terms
of numbers, in terms of revenue. She was such a force,
such an impact and the universality of her appeal. You know,
little kids liked the Dell records and preteens and tweens,
and I guess that was the same thing. But you
know what I mean, literally every demo, every age group, grandma's, grandpa's,

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everybody loved a Dell, leading to those massive giant sales.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (52:21):
And she just she is without question, and there wasn't
really anyone like her before. You know, Amy Winehouse kind
of set the table for doing this kind of old
school stuff, and then Adele kicked that door down and
it just became literally a global force.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
I'm familiar with a handful of her songs and even
better than this, and I like them their toe tapers,
but even better than the songs and just her voice.
I mean, she could basically sing on top of old
smokey and I would probably think it was a really I've.

Speaker 9 (52:47):
Heard her alive and she's magnificent. Yeah, I've seen big shows.
We also had her in studio see twice. Oh, come on, huh.
We were lucky, we were. That's not up to me
and we know this the no. We call her on
the way up at exactly the right time. And then
because our support had been so ardent and we were
very early adopters of Adele over at Cities ninety seven,

(53:08):
we got her when she was gigantic one time too.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
No, she's amazing. Number three, number three. This one's going
to be a little closer to Tennis Wheelhouse. But without question,
there has not been And people might argue that it's Drake,
they might argue that it's jay Z. They might even
say Usher would occupy this spot. But for me, the
biggest name in hip hop in the last twenty five years,

(53:33):
without question, is No. And other people would even argue
Lil Wayne probably deserves to be here. But it's absolutely
eminem coming out at number three. Boy said that not
jay Z. No, come on, man, and I like jay
Z quite a bit.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
I don't want an Amazon and that's the one where
they have for the Chrysler commercials, dent d D D
d D that's the only one I know.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Well here he's right, Yeah, lose yourself. Yeah, losers, there's
no better lyricists in the history of rapto. No no,
I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
And he's so good that he's drawn the respects of
even diehards, even the you know, the people are like, now, man,
this is the music of black people. You can't do this,
you know, even within the industry. He's so talented and
such a wizard that everybody loves him, and the numbers
back it up.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I believe. Let me just confirm this super quick.

Speaker 9 (54:18):
I believe that M is the the record sales best
selling artist of the twenty first century. Call based on yeah,
M is the shortened version based on what's known as
album sales equivalency, which means it's album sales, it's paid downloads,
it's basically any way the music industry is still making
money off the music. He is the number one selling

(54:40):
artist of the twenty first century. Last twenty five two minutes,
Brian Oh, okay, well, let's wrap that up up.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Number two. Beyonce.

Speaker 9 (54:48):
Beyonce as far as divas, as far as numbers, as
far as sales, as far as recognizability, as far as
maintaining success and somehow still creating even more drama every
time a new record's going to be coming out, focusing
the entire world's attention on whatever it is she's up to.
Next she comes in at number two, and she's really great.
She can dance, she can sing, she's gorgeous, she's everything.

(55:12):
I would say number two biggest of the twenty first century.
And I don't think anyone's going to be surprised by
the number one pick biggest Sift. It's absolutely Taylor Swift,
and she's her favorite. I don't think it's even close. No,
I'm not really going super favorite. I'm going, well, I
wanted your favorite, but I.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Do love her.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
No, because this is about the people. Man, No, it's
about you. Oh well, I care more about you than
the people. The next time I'll do it.

Speaker 9 (55:33):
Then you can erase all those because I'm not putting
any of them in my top five.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Of the last twenty five years. But no, t Swift. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (55:40):
Look I like all these artists that I played, some
of them I even love, but Taylor Swift. It doesn't
matter what metric you look at. We haven't seen a
Taylor Swift since we've seen it. Elvis Presley I kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Like Chris Hockey Rocket fuad very good sauce in the Whalers.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
Yeah, they speak to me of the twenty fifth century
Top five.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, very much so. The Whaler's You got a podcast?
I'm told?

Speaker 6 (56:02):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I do?

Speaker 9 (56:03):
In fact, just celebrated six years. Just did episode five
hundred and thirty one earlier today about an upcoming tribute
to the Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack which turns
twenty five Yeah. The Brian Oakshow podcasts and you can
get it wherever whenever you like, by utilizing the number
one destination for podcasts. That would be the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Always good to see you. We'll see you next Wednesday?
Quest sounds great? See you then for Brian Oak will

Speaker 7 (56:25):
Take a break, come back the legendary Mark Rose and
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